Anyone still clinging to the idea that fascism/authoritarianism is "on it's way" rather that "it's here right fucking now" is simply willfully ignorant, so much an asshole as to be entirely irredeemable, lying, not paying attention, or just fucking too stupid.
In other words, the straight, white, right-kind-of-Christian, fascist base.
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I wish more people agreed.
I have a pretty small social circle, but they are all very progressive, very against what is going on right now. Still, I am the only one planning to go to a No Kings protest. I'm the only one who went to the Hands Off protest. It's not encouraging.
And Americans don’t have the stomach for the years of passive resistance that will be required.
You're imagining organized people coordinating to work towards long term goals nationwide...
That's not what would happen. People would just progressively lose it and start crashing out. People can still rationalize that compliance might work out best for them for now.
But if they start killing people for resisting despite not knowing who they're even detaining...
That makes it hard to deny that compliance is pointless. And after that it doesn't take much for entire communities to make the jump to proactive defense.
trump's not raiding cartel safehouses, he's going after harmless workers. So that shows everyone that using violence to resist makes them prioritize others. But some of those harmless workers have kids who were born here and are legal citizens. But they're Americans, and Americans are rarely harmless
Hell, look at how gangs took over the projects in Chicago, they'd straight up have snipers 24/7 and if any cops showed up, it didn't take much for the cops to leave. Like, when push comes to shove, trump can't just bomb downtown LA, and occupying America is practically impossible, even for the American military.
I mean. Even typing it I was remembering Philly PD doing it...
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But that was 40 years ago and was easily swept under the rug.
While he could order it to happen, and it's technically possible every obeys that order...
Actually pulling it off would virtually guarantee every major city being 100x worse than LA has ever been, even 92 LA. Hell, that only took a decade to beat in Cincinnati. It would be trillions of dollars in infrastructure damage alone, not even getting into lost revenue.
Any attempt to use feds everywhere would spread them too thin and make them ineffective everywhere.
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Remember, trump said blue states would "disappear off the map" before his midterm 'surprise'
I was reticent about the idea before, but had mentioned it as a terrifying possibility. But, at this point, I would have to consider it likely that he would do much worse than a silly little bomb.
Americans don’t have the stomach for the years of passive resistance
Oh, buddy...
We're way past passive...
If there is to be any saving of the remnants of US democracy, much more that "passive" is required.
Passive/complacent is exactly how we got where we are.
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Republicans Want to Defund NPR. To Survive, It Needs To Do Some Soul-Searching.
Republicans Want to Defund NPR. To Survive, It Needs To Do Some Soul-Searching.
NPR's job is to produce news for every American. Its partisan lean is undermining that mission.Zaid Jilani (The American Saga)
My wife and I listen to NPR fairly regularly, she donates, I do not.
My argument is as long as they are taking money from companies like Archer Daniels Midland and the Koch Foundation, they don't need MY money.
Local stations (not NPR, but NPR affiliates) even take money from fucking Monsanto(!)
Use supervisor or desktop Linux for TV gaming PC + NAS?
To give a bit of context : I'm upgrading my whole desktop computer so I now have a spare computer for gaming on the TV. I'm thinking of using it mainly as a gaming "console", but might be interested in embedding a NAS as well, and possibly some Docker containers for Home Assistants etc...
So the question : should I just install a normal Distro like Arch, setup a network share and Docker containers, or should I use a proper hypervisor like Unraid and have a VM for couch gaming etc...?
What issues could I expect with both? Are performances impacted with the hypervisor? (I don't plan on doing competitive games on the TV) or is troubleshooting going to be easier on a standard distro?
Did someone do such a setup and have some feedback?
Never properly used Linux before, but I'm a Windows power-user and am looking to transition part of my setup to Linux.
The GPU is going to be an RTX3070 if that matters
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Make sure that your gaming VM uses a real harddrive/SSD instead of virtual disk to prevent sluggish I/O.
GPU passthrough is still a Bit of a pita so if you going to VM stuff you need a lot more tinkering aswell many EULA don’t allow VM usage so you need further configuration to avoid detection.
The biggest downside to having a classical setup is that you can’t easily limit resources. So if your game eats up all the RAM your NAS will slow down and vice versa.
imho both are good options it’s just choose your poison
Just try both scenarios and choose what fits your workflow the best
Have you considered/tried streaming games from your primary desktop PC? Obviously very dependent on your situation's specifics, but that's one of the things I do with the Linux htpc I have set up.
And then you wouldn't have to worry about games and NAS stuff competing for system resources.
I'd personally go the hypervisor route (I'm using proxmox, truenas, and an arr stack on my NAS). It keeps things compartmentalized (especially network configurations) and usually keeps me from breaking *everything at the same time.
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Could some protesters (at least, theoretically) tackle down a Marine, and put him under citizen's arrest, insisting that the Chief of the LA (or Compton) police, Sheriff of LA, and Newsom enforce California state law?
(Indeed, could this apply to the NG, ICE, or whatever other goons Trump has sic-ed on LA? and other places?)
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Given that detention and questioning constitute arrest, I’d suggest the current administration consists largely of utterly incompetent fuckwits who have no goddamned idea what they’re doing.
You’re gonna get so sick of Constitutional crises.
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There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.
-Commander William Adama, Battlestar Galactica (2004)
Top Chinese scientists flee Boston area as Harvard, MIT fall in rankings; Silicon Valley also hit
- Thousands of Chinese researchers and scientists are leaving top jobs in leading US universities and companies, to take positions in China.
- The Cambridge area of Massachusetts is home to Harvard, MIT, and scores of leading companies, and was the number one source of returning Chinese research and engineering talent.
- In second place is the Palo Alto-Berkeley cluster, which includes Stanford, University of California, and Silicon Valley.
- The migration of top scientific and engineering talent back to China is accelerating, but began nearly a decade ago. And while the political situation between China and the United States certainly is a major motivation for many scientists to return, more important is the quality of the education systems.
- Chinese universities are now claiming the top spots across all the hard science disciplines, while American colleges are tumbling.
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It's both stupid expensive and the jobs don't pay enough anymore. I can make the same salary as an engineer working a trade or any other white collar job.
I'm sure the growing distrust in science and general stupidity didn't help either.
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THIS is why Oregon is a SH*THOLE STATE! I WANT to be part of IDAHO!
-Conservatives who Smoke Pot and have Access to Healthcare!
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The legislation was opposed by companies such as Amazon and the statewide nonprofit Oregon Ambulatory Surgery Center Association, an industry group, where executives see private investment as vital to their business strategy.
“We universally agree that the way to protect clinics from closure and maintain the broadest patient access to outpatient care is to keep the existing, and multi-ownership models alive and well,” wrote Ryan Grimm on behalf of the association and the Portland Clinic, a private multispecialty medical group, in a March letter to lawmakers.
“In some communities, there is no hospital to swoop in to the rescue, or no hospital in a financial position to save a clinic,” he wrote.
The bill does not go into effect immediately and it contains a three-year adjustment period for clinics to comply with the restrictions. Institutions such as hospitals, tribal health facilities, behavioral health programs and crisis lines are exempted.
Mein Gott, a ray of sanity! Listen it's not everything a constituent can hope for but it's a giant step in the right direction. Congratulations, Oregon!
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Musk targets June 22 launch of Tesla's long-promised robotaxi service
Tesla CEO Elon Musk said his company will start offering public rides in driverless vehicles in Austin, Texas, on June 22.
Nintendo says your bad Switch 2 battery life might be a bug
It might just be the Switch 2, though.
Nintendo says your bad Switch 2 battery life might be a bug
If you’re dealing with what appears to be poor battery life on the Nintendo Switch 2, the company has a support document with steps you can try to fix it.Jay Peters (The Verge)
Musk’s threat to sue firms that don’t buy ads on X seems to have paid off
Some advertisers return to avoid suits, but Lego and Pinterest rebuffed threats.
Wikipedia pauses AI-generated summaries pilot after editors protest
Editors almost immediately criticized the pilot, raising concerns that it could damage Wikipedia's credibility.
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Apple’s updated parental controls will require kids to get permission to text new numbers
More child safety features.
Apple’s updated parental controls will require kids to get permission to text new numbers
Apple is introducing new child safety features, including one that will give parents more control over who their kids can communicate with.Jay Peters (The Verge)
Ahhhh the beautiful pseudoscience of psychosomatics.
It’s like astrology for medicine.
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Anxiety is the most common mental health problem – here’s how tech could help manage it
Anxiety is the most common mental health problem – here’s how tech could help manage it
Devices that deliver mild, constant electrical current can alter our brain activity.The Conversation
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World first: brain implant lets man speak with expression ― and sing, Device translates thought to speech in real time.
World first: brain implant lets man speak with expression ― and sing
Device translates thought to speech in real time.Naddaf, Miryam
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This is nothing short of stunning, had no idea anyone was even close to this sort of interface. And it's only an 8-bit input! Fuck me, I would have made a (totally ignorant) guess of at least a couple of thousand sensors.
Hoped for a video. 🙁
it's 256 electrodes, yes, but the article doesn't say whether those electrodes are simple digital signals or if each one has some analog range they resolve. Even if it's 100% binary, the tresholding (what level of neural activity is considered a 1 or 0) could be adaptive.
This is amazing technology. I can't imagine how it would feel to have your ability to speak and even sing back after losing it.
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Study co-author Maitreyee Wairagkar, a neuroscientist at the University of California, Davis, and her colleagues trained deep-learning algorithms to capture the signals in his brain every 10 milliseconds. Their system decodes, in real time, the sounds the man attempts to produce rather than his intended words or the constituent phonemes — the subunits of speech that form spoken words.
This is a really cool approach. They're not having to determine speech meaning, but instead picking up signals after the person's brain has already done that part and is just trying to vocalize. I'm guessing they can capture nerve impulses that would be moving muscles in the face, mouth, lips, and possibly larynx and then using the AI to quickly determine which sounds that would produce in those few milliseconds those conditions exist. Then the machine to produces the sounds artificially. Because they're able to do this so fast (in 10 milliseconds) it can get close to human body response and reproduction of the specific sounds.
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40,000 cameras expose feeds to datacenters, health clinics
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What is the catch with Epic Games' free games?
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though it doesn't really work, i have 183 epic games, none of which have i bought lol
"developers see sales increases on both the Epic Games Store and on Steam, Valve’s competing PC game store. Sweeney also points out that the free games can be a good deal for players in developing countries where gaming may be more expensive, meaning that they help expand the global reach of some titles. And since developers get a flat fee from Epic so that Epic can offer their game for free, they make some money no matter what.
Epic isn’t being entirely altruistic, of course. The company spends a lot of money to be able to give games away for free, and it certainly wants to offer good ones that keep people playing on its platform instead of others like Steam. And if Epic can attract players with free games from notable developers, those same players might also try out some of Epic’s big free-to-play multiplayer games like Fortnite or Rocket League, keeping them in Epic’s universe — and, again, off Steam. "
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Epic explains how it spends millions of dollars on free games
As it has in previous years, the Epic Games Store will once again give away free PC games every week this year, the company announced on Thursday.Jay Peters (The Verge)
The catch is you have to install the Epic app or whatever it is called.
Also they hate Linux and shitcanned the already-existing native Linux port of Rocket League when they bought it. It's fair to say you won't dump resources into making new Linux ports but shitcanning a quality one that already existed? They can eat shit.
I never played Rocket League again after that.
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Epic claims it increases sales (much in the same way that pirates do) but I suspect it's just to get people past the very high barrier of creating an account and installing their (presumably) ad-ridden and data-collecting (they're owned by Tencent) launcher.
The former doesn't make much sense to me given they could just buy those games on Steam anyway and have a much better experience.
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They want you to use their service. You're more likely to use the service if you already have a library of games on it.
What will the developers of the games get as a thank you?
They wouldn't be making them free without making a deal with the developer first. There was a leak that showed the actual amount a while back.
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They wouldn’t be making them free without making a deal with the developer first. There was a leak that showed the actual amount a while back.
That is what I was after! Not the leak, but the catch. Do you have the link to the source for the leak?
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One catch is that Epic's mystery code is allowed to execute on your computer.
Note that I don't mean just their launcher. Often, if not always, the games themselves are linked with Epic code, ostensibly for license checks and/or integration with Epic services. This gives them the ability to snoop on stored data, installed/executing processes, biometrics, etc.
Running those free games with an alternative launcher does not protect against this.
It's not just a theoretical concern, either. Epic has already been caught copying Steam files, collecting friends play history, and scanning running processes.
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I don't trust them, their CEO, or Tencent (which owns a significant chunk of Epic), so I don't run games that come from them.
Epic tries to ease fears that its launcher is collecting Steam data
Epic's launcher is wrapped up in a fresh wave of controversyDustin Bailey (PCGamesN)
Even without that, I don't think a game running on their own wine prefix can interact with your Steam running on Linux system directly.
It would be pretty amazing if this godforsaken company only looked at Linux to fuck us like that.
You might want to read my other comments elsewhere on this post.
Please keep in mind that no matter what technical measures you take, accepting Epic's "free" games requires agreeing to their terms and conditions, which they can change after you get the games. I really don't recommend it.
You could download and play the games on a machine that is never used for any other purpose, but it would still be able to collect biometric data (mouse movement, keystroke patterns, voice if you have a microphone, etc.) and probe/fingerprint your network.
Short of a dedicated machine, the closest you're likely to get is a hypervisor-based virtual machine. Of course, that won't safeguard your biometrics or (in most cases) your network, either.
Such a machine would be safer if you never gave it network access, so it couldn't exfiltrate any data that it had collected, but downloading games requires network access at some point, and it would only take milliseconds for a "helper" process (perhaps quietly installed/launched with the game) to leak the data.
In general, hostile code will always be unsafe. If it concerns you, it's best to avoid it entirely.
Demystifying Epic Games Store Spyware
Over the past few weeks, I've seen a lot of discussion about whether or not the Epic Games' store is spyware.Nick Cano (nickcano.com)
Trying to discredit people because of the forum on which they discussed a topic, or because you view them as beneath your skill level, is a more than a little misguided, and frankly, disingenuous.
Epic themselves have admitted to copying Steam data and scanning running processes, as has been documented in various news articles. (example, example)
In any case, the point is not one particular incident or report, but rather that they have the capability, grant themselves permission to use it via their policy documents, and have earned distrust among a lot of gamers. Posting condescending emoji here doesn't change that.
Edit: P.S. In future comments defending Epic, you might do readers the courtesy of stating up front that you are moderator of an Epic Games forum.
Epic responds to accusations its launcher accesses Steam data without permission
Epic has responded to growing concern its launcher accesses users' Steam data without permission.Wesley Yin-Poole (Eurogamer.net)
Why would I trust a random cropped screenshot from a bad faith subreddit about hating everything related to Epic? Either of us can run Process Monitor, filter by the desired process, and see if their claims have merit. They don't.
The article and post I linked already explain the Steam and process list parts. How in your opinion does any program that needs to check if a process is running do that? Where would you expect Epic to get your Steam friends list if you're asking it to import your Steam friends?
it's not "forever". it's however long they don't have any ideas to the contrary.
why it was implemented - so that executive #279 can show executive #114 that number go up. look how our engagement is rising! look at all them people downloading our app! when I took over from exec #317, number was this big, lookie now!
same way google made their search worse, so you have to search multiple times, thus upping the engagment, page views, etc. and then exec X goes to exec Y and say "look there's a huge rise in searches where my bonus at!"
it’s not “forever”.
So true. Today it is known that you only buy a license of the games from Steam. And since Epic Games works in the same way as Steam, this also applies to them. They can delete any games from your library whenever they want - just like that *click*. I stopped buying games on Steam when that came out publicly and moved to GOG instead.
Hm, the only underwater ones I can think of are Subnautica and Abzu, both of which are still in my library (although I wouldn't mind if Abzu went away, as it was basically just an underwater walking sim). I couldn't find anything on the list quickly, despite a couple ones sounding like underwater ones, like Stranded Deep and Submerged: Hidden Depths, which didn't look like they actually were underwater games.
I was wrong that it was water-themed. It was "Pacific Drive" which I guess made me think of underwater. I never got a chance to play it, and it's no longer in my library. I think there was another one, but I can't remember now. It was a while back that I discovered it.
EDIT: I agree with you 100% about ABZU. Boring after the first five minutes. Also, I don't see Pacific Drive on the free games list. I need to try to remember the sequence of events. I know I never bought it, because I've never bought any games from EGS; all my titles were free ones.
It's also one of the reasons why they allow 3rd parties to run their own activation servers. All you gotta do is type a couple of lines in command prompt to change your activation servers from Microsoft's to such a 3rd party, type in the volume license key they provide for free, and now you have a 100% legit copy of Windows, no cracks or workarounds needed.
Microsoft makes it so easy to activate Windows for free that there's no way it was unintentional.
Searching free games, only Steam and Itch.io are full of these.
You have free games always for years if you like these, without the need of fake names and data, often even without the need of accounts, controlled by companies with desktop clients and other crap which rest a lot of privacy. Free games don't need all this, less paid games, you install it and it's yours forever, all other is an abuse of big corporations which make money with your data.
I've an Steam account, but forced, because a lot of years ago I bought in a store an CD with Portal, but to run it, it was mandatory an Steam account FOR AN LOCAL SINGLEPLAYER GAME WHICH I BOUGHT PHYSICALLY IN A STORE, WTF.
DOOM: The Dark Ages on Steam
DOOM: The Dark Ages is the prequel to the critically acclaimed DOOM (2016) and DOOM Eternal that tells an epic cinematic story worthy of the DOOM Slayer’s legend.store.steampowered.com
Standard resolution for me is FHD. Heavy duty games If it is true, that is. Any source? DOOM: The Dark Ages requires 16 GB in GPU on recommended and ILL's system requirements are TBA.
When I read your comment, I could not stop thinking about those exclusive games that Epic Games have every now and then. I highly dislike that!
Hardware companies need money. Yes, Doom need at least 16GB Ram for running the game in 1024x768 pxs, as said windowed and ILL for sure need more when the release it. It's programmed onsolence, while current PC can survive almost 15 years or more, they try it with the soft to make these obsolete. Apart of the prices for these games, DOOM>€100 and ILL for sure isn't cheaper. OK. the graphics are stunning, but this don't make a game better than others, these games anyway, apart of the graphics, offers normally an gameplay pretty lineal.
My favoritefirst person game since almost 10 years is The Dark Mod, nice graphics, not worse as in commercial games, intelligent gameplay, it don't need an NASA computer to run it, almost any cheap Laptop is enough, works on Windows, Linux and Mac and is 100%free. 170 community made missions, more released every few month, you can download and add these in the same game menu.
The Dark Mod - Stealth Gaming in a Gothic Steampunk World | The Dark Mod
THE DARK MOD is a FREE first person stealth game inspired by the Thief series by Looking Glass Studios. Download and play hundreds of missions for free.The Dark Mod
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Thanks! Will try them out sometime 😀 Last time I tried download missions (which was maybe 2 months ago), I got 404. Hopefully that issue will be fixed now.
Edit: the error was not 404, but "Cannot connect to server". I had to execute a command to make it work. Will give one of these missions a shot now.
Apple expands tools to help parents protect kids and teens online
Apple expands tools to help parents protect kids and teens online
Apple today shared an update on new ways to help parents protect kids and teens online when using Apple products.Apple
Apple expands tools to help parents protect kids and teens online
Apple expands tools to help parents protect kids and teens online
Apple today shared an update on new ways to help parents protect kids and teens online when using Apple products.Apple
Apple expands tools to help parents protect kids and teens online
Apple expands tools to help parents protect kids and teens online
Apple today shared an update on new ways to help parents protect kids and teens online when using Apple products.Apple
Remember when corporations avoided politics on social media?
Study finds Twitter surge starting in 2017, most of it Democratic-leaning by surprising range of firms, with negative effects on stock price
Remember when corporate America steered clear of politics on social media?
Study finds Twitter surge starting in 2017, most of it Democratic-leaning by surprising range of firms, with negative effects on stock price.Christina Pazzanese (Harvard Gazette)
Brazil’s panda bond plan illustrates yuan’s growing international appeal
GT Voice: Brazil’s panda bond plan illustrates yuan’s growing international appeal
Brazil's plan to sell its first sovereign debt in the Chinese market is an important step for Brazil in expanding its financing channels and strengthening financial cooperation with China, as well as a clear indication of the growing appeal of the yu…www.globaltimes.cn
Researchers find the first known “zero-click” attack on an AI agent; the now-fixed flaw in Microsoft 365 Copilot would let a hacker attack a user via an email
Aim Labs | Echoleak Blogpost
The first weaponizable zero-click attack chain on an AI agent, resulting in the complete compromise of Copilot data integritywww.aim.security
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The thing is I agree with nearly every premise of superdeterminism. But the conclusions seem stretched.
I love the idea of not abiding to the strict assumptions set forth by Bell’s theorem. The idea that determinism doesn’t have to hide within the simple hidden variable model bell’s theorem disproves to be true. The idea that we are essentially always part of the experimental system. The questioning of the objective rational experimenter with free will ideal.
Yet I haven’t seen any serious mechanism explaining how the required correlations between experimenter choices and particle states could have been embedded in the universe’s initial conditions in such a finely tuned manner, given that experimentally, the outcomes are indistinguishable from standard quantum mechanics.. I just can’t imagine how this could likely be the case without adding quasi-conspiratorial assumption.
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'Fortnite' Lobbies Can Now Have Up to 92% Bots - Players Are Furious Over Supposed OG Season 3 Update
‘Fortnite’ Lobbies Can Now Have Up to 92% Bots – Players Are Furious Over Supposed OG Season 3 Update
'Fortnite OG' lobbies may now have as little as eight real players, according to a report from a prominent Epic Games leaker.Brent Koepp (VICE)
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A couple of months ago there was a data breach on twitter that revealed only 7% were actual people (active accounts)
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Twitter (X) Hit by 2.8 Billion Profile Data Leak in Alleged Insider Job
A data breach involving a whopping 2.87 billion Twitter (X) users has surfaced on the infamous hacker and cyber crime platform Breach Forums.Waqas (Hack Read)
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Elmo "Pedo Guy" Musk is merging Twitter with Fortnite. So the Twitter bots will now be playing Fortine while spamming Elmo propaganda in chat.
What exactly is not clear to you?
Funny thing is, even if your skills were in the bracket for more human weighted matches, you’d not have hit them in your first few sessions. The first few matches are always 100% bots to give you a feeling for the game without the rick of being steam rolled by humans.
There’s also the problem of matches being 100 people and not starting until it hits about that number. Imagine the fun of sitting and waiting for 10 minutes for people to hop on.
They have a combined 3 kills and we have like 30 each. There is no reason playing this.
Bitcoin devs scramble to protect $2.2tn blockchain from looming quantum computer threat
Bitcoin devs scramble to protect $2.2tn blockchain from looming quantum computer threat
Quantum computers pose a threat to Bitcoin’s security. Developers are rushing to future-proof the network. Michael Saylor is unconvinced this is a problem.Tim Craig (DL News)
Trade war truce between US and China is back on
Trade war truce between US and China is back on
Donald Trump says agreement struck with Beijing covers rare earths.Financial Times (Ars Technica)
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Wikipedia Pauses AI-Generated Summaries After Editor Backlash
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The Wikimedia Foundation, the nonprofit organization which hosts and develops Wikipedia, has paused an experiment that showed users AI-generated summaries at the top of articles after an overwhelmingly negative reaction from the Wikipedia editors community.
“Just because Google has rolled out its AI summaries doesn't mean we need to one-up them, I sincerely beg you not to test this, on mobile or anywhere else,” one editor said in response to Wikimedia Foundation’s announcement that it will launch a two-week trial of the summaries on the mobile version of Wikipedia. “This would do immediate and irreversible harm to our readers and to our reputation as a decently trustworthy and serious source. Wikipedia has in some ways become a byword for sober boringness, which is excellent. Let's not insult our readers' intelligence and join the stampede to roll out flashy AI summaries. Which is what these are, although here the word ‘machine-generated’ is used instead.”
Two other editors simply commented, “Yuck.”
For years, Wikipedia has been one of the most valuable repositories of information in the world, and a laudable model for community-based, democratic internet platform governance. Its importance has only grown in the last couple of years during the generative AI boom as it’s one of the only internet platforms that has not been significantly degraded by the flood of AI-generated slop and misinformation. As opposed to Google, which since embracing generative AI has instructed its users to eat glue, Wikipedia’s community has kept its articles relatively high quality. As I recently reported last year, editors are actively working to filter out bad, AI-generated content from Wikipedia.
A page detailing the the AI-generated summaries project, called “Simple Article Summaries,” explains that it was proposed after a discussion at Wikimedia’s 2024 conference, Wikimania, where “Wikimedians discussed ways that AI/machine-generated remixing of the already created content can be used to make Wikipedia more accessible and easier to learn from.” Editors who participated in the discussion thought that these summaries could improve the learning experience on Wikipedia, where some article summaries can be quite dense and filled with technical jargon, but that AI features needed to be cleared labeled as such and that users needed an easy to way to flag issues with “machine-generated/remixed content once it was published or generated automatically.”
In one experiment where summaries were enabled for users who have the Wikipedia browser extension installed, the generated summary showed up at the top of the article, which users had to click to expand and read. That summary was also flagged with a yellow “unverified” label.
An example of what the AI-generated summary looked like.
Wikimedia announced that it was going to run the generated summaries experiment on June 2, and was immediately met with dozens of replies from editors who said “very bad idea,” “strongest possible oppose,” Absolutely not,” etc.
“Yes, human editors can introduce reliability and NPOV [neutral point-of-view] issues. But as a collective mass, it evens out into a beautiful corpus,” one editor said. “With Simple Article Summaries, you propose giving one singular editor with known reliability and NPOV issues a platform at the very top of any given article, whilst giving zero editorial control to others. It reinforces the idea that Wikipedia cannot be relied on, destroying a decade of policy work. It reinforces the belief that unsourced, charged content can be added, because this platforms it. I don't think I would feel comfortable contributing to an encyclopedia like this. No other community has mastered collaboration to such a wondrous extent, and this would throw that away.”
A day later, Wikimedia announced that it would pause the launch of the experiment, but indicated that it’s still interested in AI-generated summaries.
“The Wikimedia Foundation has been exploring ways to make Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects more accessible to readers globally,” a Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson told me in an email. “This two-week, opt-in experiment was focused on making complex Wikipedia articles more accessible to people with different reading levels. For the purposes of this experiment, the summaries were generated by an open-weight Aya model by Cohere. It was meant to gauge interest in a feature like this, and to help us think about the right kind of community moderation systems to ensure humans remain central to deciding what information is shown on Wikipedia.”
“It is common to receive a variety of feedback from volunteers, and we incorporate it in our decisions, and sometimes change course,” the Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson added. “We welcome such thoughtful feedback — this is what continues to make Wikipedia a truly collaborative platform of human knowledge.”
“Reading through the comments, it’s clear we could have done a better job introducing this idea and opening up the conversation here on VPT back in March,” a Wikimedia Foundation project manager said. VPT, or “village pump technical,” is where The Wikimedia Foundation and the community discuss technical aspects of the platform. “As internet usage changes over time, we are trying to discover new ways to help new generations learn from Wikipedia to sustain our movement into the future. In consequence, we need to figure out how we can experiment in safe ways that are appropriate for readers and the Wikimedia community. Looking back, we realize the next step with this message should have been to provide more of that context for you all and to make the space for folks to engage further.”
The project manager also said that “Bringing generative AI into the Wikipedia reading experience is a serious set of decisions, with important implications, and we intend to treat it as such, and that “We do not have any plans for bringing a summary feature to the wikis without editor involvement. An editor moderation workflow is required under any circumstances, both for this idea, as well as any future idea around AI summarized or adapted content.”
Wikipedia Pauses AI-Generated Summaries After Editor Backlash
The Wikimedia Foundation, the nonprofit organization which hosts and develops Wikipedia, has paused an experiment that showed users AI-generated summaries at the top of articles after an overwhelmingly negative reaction from the Wikipedia editors community.“Just because Google has rolled out its AI summaries doesn't mean we need to one-up them, I sincerely beg you not to test this, on mobile or anywhere else,” one editor said in response to Wikimedia Foundation’s announcement that it will launch a two-week trial of the summaries on the mobile version of Wikipedia. “This would do immediate and irreversible harm to our readers and to our reputation as a decently trustworthy and serious source. Wikipedia has in some ways become a byword for sober boringness, which is excellent. Let's not insult our readers' intelligence and join the stampede to roll out flashy AI summaries. Which is what these are, although here the word ‘machine-generated’ is used instead.”
Two other editors simply commented, “Yuck.”
For years, Wikipedia has been one of the most valuable repositories of information in the world, and a laudable model for community-based, democratic internet platform governance. Its importance has only grown in the last couple of years during the generative AI boom as it’s one of the only internet platforms that has not been significantly degraded by the flood of AI-generated slop and misinformation. As opposed to Google, which since embracing generative AI has instructed its users to eat glue, Wikipedia’s community has kept its articles relatively high quality. As I recently reported last year, editors are actively working to filter out bad, AI-generated content from Wikipedia.
A page detailing the the AI-generated summaries project, called “Simple Article Summaries,” explains that it was proposed after a discussion at Wikimedia’s 2024 conference, Wikimania, where “Wikimedians discussed ways that AI/machine-generated remixing of the already created content can be used to make Wikipedia more accessible and easier to learn from.” Editors who participated in the discussion thought that these summaries could improve the learning experience on Wikipedia, where some article summaries can be quite dense and filled with technical jargon, but that AI features needed to be cleared labeled as such and that users needed an easy to way to flag issues with “machine-generated/remixed content once it was published or generated automatically.”
In one experiment where summaries were enabled for users who have the Wikipedia browser extension installed, the generated summary showed up at the top of the article, which users had to click to expand and read. That summary was also flagged with a yellow “unverified” label.
An example of what the AI-generated summary looked like.
Wikimedia announced that it was going to run the generated summaries experiment on June 2, and was immediately met with dozens of replies from editors who said “very bad idea,” “strongest possible oppose,” Absolutely not,” etc.“Yes, human editors can introduce reliability and NPOV [neutral point-of-view] issues. But as a collective mass, it evens out into a beautiful corpus,” one editor said. “With Simple Article Summaries, you propose giving one singular editor with known reliability and NPOV issues a platform at the very top of any given article, whilst giving zero editorial control to others. It reinforces the idea that Wikipedia cannot be relied on, destroying a decade of policy work. It reinforces the belief that unsourced, charged content can be added, because this platforms it. I don't think I would feel comfortable contributing to an encyclopedia like this. No other community has mastered collaboration to such a wondrous extent, and this would throw that away.”
A day later, Wikimedia announced that it would pause the launch of the experiment, but indicated that it’s still interested in AI-generated summaries.
“The Wikimedia Foundation has been exploring ways to make Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects more accessible to readers globally,” a Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson told me in an email. “This two-week, opt-in experiment was focused on making complex Wikipedia articles more accessible to people with different reading levels. For the purposes of this experiment, the summaries were generated by an open-weight Aya model by Cohere. It was meant to gauge interest in a feature like this, and to help us think about the right kind of community moderation systems to ensure humans remain central to deciding what information is shown on Wikipedia.”
“It is common to receive a variety of feedback from volunteers, and we incorporate it in our decisions, and sometimes change course,” the Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson added. “We welcome such thoughtful feedback — this is what continues to make Wikipedia a truly collaborative platform of human knowledge.”
“Reading through the comments, it’s clear we could have done a better job introducing this idea and opening up the conversation here on VPT back in March,” a Wikimedia Foundation project manager said. VPT, or “village pump technical,” is where The Wikimedia Foundation and the community discuss technical aspects of the platform. “As internet usage changes over time, we are trying to discover new ways to help new generations learn from Wikipedia to sustain our movement into the future. In consequence, we need to figure out how we can experiment in safe ways that are appropriate for readers and the Wikimedia community. Looking back, we realize the next step with this message should have been to provide more of that context for you all and to make the space for folks to engage further.”
The project manager also said that “Bringing generative AI into the Wikipedia reading experience is a serious set of decisions, with important implications, and we intend to treat it as such, and that “We do not have any plans for bringing a summary feature to the wikis without editor involvement. An editor moderation workflow is required under any circumstances, both for this idea, as well as any future idea around AI summarized or adapted content.”
The Editors Protecting Wikipedia from AI Hoaxes
WikiProject AI Cleanup is protecting Wikipedia from the same kind of misleading AI-generated information that has plagued the rest of the internet.Emanuel Maiberg (404 Media)
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Fucking thank you. Yes, experienced editor to add to this: that's called the lead, and that's exactly what it exists to do. Readers are not even close to starved for summaries:
- Every single article has one of these. It is at the very beginning – at most around 600 words for very extensive, multifaceted subjects. 250 to 400 words is generally considered an excellent window to target for a well-fleshed-out article.
- Even then, the first sentence itself is almost always a definition of the subject, making it a summary unto itself.
- And even then, the first paragraph is also its own form of summary in a multi-paragraph lead.
- And even then, the infobox to the right of 99% of articles gives easily digestible data about the subject in case you only care about raw, important facts (e.g. when a politician was in office, what a country's flag is, what systems a game was released for, etc.)
- And even then, if you just want a specific subtopic, there's a table of contents, and we generally try as much as possible (without harming the "linear" reading experience) to make it so that you can intuitively jump straight from the lead to a main section (level 2 header).
- Even then, if you don't want to click on an article and just instead hover over its wikilink, we provide a summary of fewer than 40 characters so that readers get a broad idea without having to click (e.g. Shoeless Joe Jackson's is "American baseball player (1887–1951)").
What's outrageous here isn't wanting summaries; it's that summaries already exist in so many ways, written by the human writers who write the contents of the articles. Not only that, but as a free, editable encyclopedia, these summaries can be changed at any time if editors feel like they no longer do their job somehow.
This not only bypasses the hard work real, human editors put in for free in favor of some generic slop that's impossible to QA, but it also bypasses the spirit of Wikipedia that if you see something wrong, you should be able to fix it.
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There are also external AI tools that do this just fine.
But imagine these tools generating summaries of summaries.
Two other editors simply commented, “Yuck.”
What insightful and meaningful discourse.
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If they’re high quality editors who consistently put out a lot of edits then yeah, it is meaningful and insightful. Wikipedia exists because of them and only them. If most feel like they do and stop doing all this maintenance for free, then Wikipedia becomes a graffiti wall/ad space and not an encyclopedia.
Thinking the immediate disgust of the people doing all the work for you for free is meaningless is the best way to nose dive.
Also, you literally had to scroll past a very long and insightful comment to get to that.
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Also, you literally had to scroll past a very long and insightful comment to get to that.
No I didn't. It's in the summary, appropriately enough.
AI chatbots unable to accurately summarise news, BBC finds
The BBC's head of news and current affairs says the developers of the tools are "playing with fire."Imran Rahman-Jones (BBC News)
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"Pause" and not "Stop" is concerning.
Is it just me, or was the addition of AI summaries basically predetermined? The AI panel probably would only be attended by a small portion of editors (introducing selection bias) and it's unclear how much of the panel was dedicated to simply promoting the concept.
I imagine the backlash comes from a much wider selection of editors.
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A page detailing the the AI-generated summaries project, called “Simple Article Summaries,” explains that it was proposed after a discussion at Wikimedia’s 2024 conference, Wikimania, where “Wikimedians discussed ways that AI/machine-generated remixing of the already created content can be used to make Wikipedia more accessible and easier to learn from.” Editors who participated in the discussion thought that these summaries could improve the learning experience on Wikipedia, where some article summaries can be quite dense and filled with technical jargon, but that AI features needed to be cleared labeled as such and that users needed an easy to way to flag issues with “machine-generated/remixed content once it was published or generated automatically.”
The intent was to make more uniform summaries, since some of them can still be inscrutable.
Relying on a tool notorious for making significant errors isn't the right way to do it, but it's a real issue being examined.
In thermochemistry, an exothermic reaction is a "reaction for which the overall standard enthalpy change ΔH⚬ is negative."[1][2] Exothermic reactions usually release heat. The term is often confused with exergonic reaction, which IUPAC defines as "... a reaction for which the overall standard Gibbs energy change ΔG⚬ is negative."[2] A strongly exothermic reaction will usually also be exergonic because ΔH⚬ makes a major contribution to ΔG⚬. Most of the spectacular chemical reactions that are demonstrated in classrooms are exothermic and exergonic. The opposite is an endothermic reaction, which usually takes up heat and is driven by an entropy increase in the system.
This is a perfectly accurate summary, but it's not entirely clear and has room for improvement.
I'm guessing they were adding new summaries so that they could clearly label them and not remove the existing ones, not out of a desire to add even more summaries.
Wikimedians discussed ways that AI/machine-generated remixing of the already created content can be used to make Wikipedia more accessible and easier to learn from
The entire mistake right there. Look no further. They saw a solution (LLMs) and started hunting for a problem.
Had they done it the right way round there might have been some useful, though less flashy, outcome. I agree many article summaries are badly written. So why not experiment with an AI that flags those articles for review? Or even just organize a community drive to clean up article summaries?
The questions are rhetorical of course. Like every GenAI peddler they don't have an interest in the problem they purport to solve, they just want to play with or sell you this shiny toy that pretends really convincingly that it is clever.
Fundamentally, I agree with you.
Because the phrase "Wikipedians discussed ways that AI..." Is ambiguous I tracked down the page being referenced. It could mean they gathered with the intent to discuss that topic, or they discussed it as a result of considering the problem.
The page gives me the impression that it's not quite "we're gonna use AI, figure it out", but more that some people put together a presentation on how they felt AI could be used to address a broad problem, and then they workshopped more focused ways to use it towards that broad target.
It would have been better if they had started with an actual concrete problem, brainstormed solutions, and then gone with one that fit, but they were at least starting with a problem domain that they thought it was a applicable to.
Personally, the problems I've run into on Wikipedia are largely low traffic topics where the content is too much like someone copied a textbook into the page, or just awkward grammar and confusing sentences.
This article quickly makes it clear that someone didn't write it in an encyclopedia style from scratch.
Even beyond that, the "complex" language they claim is confusing is the whole point of Wikipedia. Neutral, precise language that describes matters accurately for laymen. There are links to every unusual or complex related subject and even individual words in all the articles.
I find it disturbing that a major share of the userbase is supposedly unable to process the information provided in this format, and needs it dumbed down even further. Wikipedia is already the summarized and simplified version of many topics.
Ho come on it’s not that simple. Add to that the language barrier. And in general precise language and accuracy are not making knowledge more available to laymen. Laymen don’t have to vocabulary to start with, that’s pretty much the definition of being a layman.
There is definitely value in dumbing down knowledge, that’s the point of education.
Now using AI or pushing guidelines for editors to do it that’s entirely different discussion…
The vocabulary is part of the knowledge. The concept goes with the word, that's how human brains understand stuff mostly.
You can click on the terms you don't know to learn about them.
You can click on the terms you don't know to learn about them.
This is what makes Wikipedia special. Not the fact that it is a giant encyclopedia, but that you can quickly and logically work your way through a complex subject at your pace and level of understanding. Reading about elements but don't know what a proton is? Guess what, there's a link right fucking there!
some article summaries can be quite dense and filled with technical jargon, but that Al features needed to be cleared labeled as such and that users needed an easy to way to flag issues with "machine-generated/remixed content once it was published or generated automatically.
I feel like if they feel that this is an issue generate the summary in the talk page and have the editors refine and approve it before publishing. Alternatively set an expectation that the article summaries are in plain English.
some article summaries can be quite dense
Well yeah, that's the point of a summary. If I want something in long form, I'll read the article.
These summaries are useless anyways because the AI hallucinates like crazy... Even the newest models constantly make up bullshit.
It can't be relied on for anything, and it's double work reading the words it shits out and then you still gotta double check it's not made up crap.
Good! I was considering stopping my monthly donation.
Ditto. I don't want to overreact, but it's not a good look.
Same person who saw most American adults have a 6th grade reading level or lower?
Honestly that's the reason I thought it was a good idea at least. Might actually give them a place to start learning from and improve.
Those Americans with a 6th grade reading level or less are precisely the people who shouldn’t be reading AI summaries. They’ll lack the critical thinking and reading skills to catch on to garbage.
Simple Wikipedia already exists and is great.
Problem is they can't read Wikipedia articles in the first place. A lot of it, in particular anything STEM, is higher level reading.
What you're advocating for is the same as dropping off a physics textbook at an elementary school.
Thats why I mentioned Simple Wikipedia.
This is far more readable that what an AI generated version of the article would make.
Yeah - tbh the name sucks. I hate recommending it to students, because it feels like I’m calling them dumb.
But yes 100%. Instead of doing dumb AI shit, they should be advertising what they already have.
Wikipedia Simple has fewer articles than regular Wikipedia.
And how do you plan to convince editors to add more articles to Wikipedia Simple?
That number of articles is still pretty impressive. I’d rather have fewer, high quality articles, than millions of terrible quality AI articles.
The great thing about Wikipedia is that anyone can add articles! It also wouldn’t be too difficult to “translate” regular Wikipedia articles to simple ones. You could even use AI tools to help - there are text leveler tools that will help you recognize which words lower level readers would struggle with and can help you make those changes. But this cannot be an automated process.
I’ve done graduate level course work on modifying text for “EMLs” - “emerging multilingual learners.” (“ELL” is still okay, but lots of folks in the field prefer EML because it is prioritizing the students “assets.”) I’ve made several assignments for students with reading difficulties. When I did experiment a bit with AI tools to help me with this process, I had to do a lot of fine tuning to get an acceptable product.
Tbh, you just convinced me right now that I should start adding more articles myself.
If someone is going to Wikipedia specifically looking for information in a STEM field, then an AI summary isn't going to help them. Odds are they can also read, because they're looking up STEM topics.
Also, is Wikipedia not available around the world, or you just think only Americans can't read? Inflammatory just for the sake of being inflammatory I'm guessing. Shit troll job.
Aaaaarrgg! This is horrible they stopped AI summaries, which I was hoping would help corrupt a leading institution protecting free thought and transfer of knowledge.
Sincerely, the Devil, Satan
Lucifer is literally the angel of free thought. Satanism promotes critical thinking and the right to question authority. Wikipedia is one of the few remaining repositories of free knowledge and polluting it with LLM summaries is exactly the inscrutable, uncritiqueable bullshit that led to the Abrahamic god casting Lucifer out.
I realize your reply is facetious, but there's a reason we're dealing with christofascists and not satanic fascists. Don't do my boy dirty like that.
Didn't they just pass a site-wide decision on the use of LLMs in creating/editing otherwise "human made" text?
Why do they need to take the human element out? Why would anyone want them to?
God I hope this isn't the beginning of the end for Wikipedia. They live and die on the efforts of volunteer editors (like Reddit relied on volunteer mods and third party tool devs). The fastest way to tank themselves is by driving off their volunteers with shit like this.
And it's absurdly easier to lose the good will they have than to rebuild it.
I'm so tired of "AI". I'm tired of people who don't understand it expecting it to be magical and error free. I'm tired of grifters trying to sell it like snake oil. I'm tired of capitalist assholes drooling over the idea of firing all that pesky labor and replacing them with machines. (You can be twice as productive with AI! But you will neither get paid twice as much nor work half as many hours. I'll keep all the gains.). I'm tired of the industrial scale theft that apologists want to give a pass to while individuals who torrent can still get in trouble, and libraries are chronically under funded.
It's just all bad, and I'm so tired of feeling like so many people are just not getting it.
I hope wikipedia never adopts this stupid AI Summary project.
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If I wanted an AI summary, I'd put the article into my favourite LLM and ask for one.
I'm sure LLMs can take links sometimes.
And if Wikipedia wanted to include it directly into the site...make it a button, not an insertion.
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On the one hand, it’s insulting to expect people to write entries for free only to have AI just summarize the text and have users never actually read those written words.
On the other hand, the future is people copying the url into chat gpt and asking for a summary.
The future is bleak either way.
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You are correct that it would not instantly become unusable. But when all editors with integrity have ceased to contribute in frustration, wikipedia would eventually become stale, or very unreliable.
Also there is nothing stopping a person from using an llm to summarize an article for them. And the added benefit to that is that the energy and reasources used for that would be only used on the people that wanted to, not on evey single page view. I would assume the enegy consumption on that, would be significant.
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The United States is transitioning into a post-literate society. Teaching kids to read was too hard, and had the ugly side effect of encouraging critical thinking, and that led to liberalism, or worse, Marxism.
So we're using technology to eliminate reading entirely. After all, if you can ask a LLM any question and get a simple answer read to you out loud in simple vocabulary, what more do you need? Are you going to read for pleasure? To fact check? To better yourself? Sounds like ivory tower liberal elitism to me.
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Too late.
With thresholds calibrated to achieve a 1% false positive rate on pre-GPT-3.5 articles, detectors flag over 5% of newly created English Wikipedia articles as AI-generated, with lower percentages for German, French, and Italian articles. Flagged Wikipedia articles are typically of lower quality and are often self-promotional or partial towards a specific viewpoint on controversial topics.
Human posting of AI-generated content is definitely a problem
It isn't clear whether this content is posted by humans or by AI fueled bot accounts. All they're sifting for is text with patterns common to AI text generation tools.
There wasn’t necessarily anything stopping people from doing the same thing pre-GPT
The big inhibiting factor was effort. ChatGPT produces long form text far faster than humans and in a form less easy to identify than prior Markov Chains.
The fear is that Wikipedia will be swamped with slop content. Humans won't be able to keep up with the work of cleaning it out.
At least it's only an issue for new articles, which probably have the least editor involvement.
People creating self-promotion on Wikipedia has been a problem for a long time before ChatGPT.
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"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
— Upton Sinclair
One of the biggest changes for a nonprofit like Wikipedia is to find cheap/free labor that administration trusts.
AI "solves" this problem by lowering your standard of quality and dramatically increasing your capacity for throughput.
It is a seductive trade. Especially for a techno-libertarian like Jimmy Wales.
Ghostty in review: how's the new terminal emulator?
A few months ago, a new terminal emulator was released. It's called ghostty, and it has been a highly anticipated terminal emulator for a while, especially due to the coverage that it received from ThePrimeagen, who had been using for a while, while it was in private beta.
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This feels like a paid advertisement ”review” to me. There is basically nothing negative or critical at all. No places to improve? Here is the most critical bit in the entire post:
If you use GNOME, you should definitely be giving Ghostty a try. To be completely fair, I did not dislike using it on my other KDE Plasma — based machine either, but it does not feel as “native” yet. One day it will, though…
Mmmmm 😕
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In support is that, I'd point to
As you keep navigating through the hamburger menu, one thing you will notice is that, unlike on the default GNOME terminal, there is no graphical Settings menu to speak of here. The reason for that is that Ghostty is so customizable that it would have been pretty much impossible to provide a practical GUI to expose all its configuration options: you need the full expressivity of a configuration file for that.
as making a virtue out of a lack. I really don't buy that "impossible" line. It was just too much work or work they during want to do.
foot
in its client-server mode. It allows basically instant startup because the server is already running in the background (even on my Core 2 Duo Thinkpad).
~~I thought you were going to talk about the lack of terminal scrollback.~~
Edit: I was misremembering. There is scrollback, but you can't search it. github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty…
Search scrollback · Issue #189 · ghostty-org/ghostty
A major missing feature is the ability to search scrollback, i.e. cmd+f on Mac, ctrl+F on Linux. This issue can be implemented in multiple steps, not just one giant PR: Core search functionality in...GitHub
It is very good, and I am currently using it. I don't like its dependencies on GTK stuff, the developer is a little picky about what to support, and I dislike the +options
style. Other than that, 👍 .
Also great: Wezterm, Konsole, Rio. I'm excitedly following Rio's development, which has a much smaller dependency list, and hopping back and forth between it and Ghostty/Wezterm. But it's still got some things to iron out and features to develop.
I tried this one and Wezterm, but I just couldn't get past how much vram they use, when vram is still at a premium. Konsole works really well for me anyway, so I guess I don't see the appeal.
Though, I do like Wezterm's lua config.
I give it a spin every month or so to see how it’s getting on. I’m on macOS.
Every time I walk away unimpressed, despite its maker’s very deserved esteemed reputation.
I’m probably not seeing something. What I do see, however, is that I can’t search my scrollback history, nor can I select text without a mouse.
Also, pressing cmd+,
on macOS opens the config inside TextEditor (yes, a separate GUI app) rather than in $EDITOR
. It’s a small thing but I couldn’t figure out how to change it. Coming from Kitty, this drove me mad.
I’m not sure who Ghostty is for. My feeling is it’s aiming to be an excellent, polished experience for casual terminal users. But I didn’t see anything that Kitty or just tmux anywhere can’t do.
The article says it can debug TUIs, similar to what the browser's debug panel does for web apps.
That is useful for TUI developers.
Other than that, I don't know either what Kitty is missing.
Ghostty has lots of issues ssh-ing into remote systems that aren’t on the bleeding edge.
I couldn’t get it to work reasonably well enough for me and tried a bunch of others. Currently using Alacritty on both my Linux desktop workstation and Mac Laptop.
I use Zellij anyway and it has all the tab/pane/floating window support I was looking for.
SetEnv TERM=xterm-256color
Yep - but seeing the thread about it in their github repo was also a turn off. I don’t have to do it with other clients.
I also believe that has to happen on each server - and we’ve got a lot of servers. I’m not particularly keen on needing to change anything to get my terminal emulator to, well, work.
While I get the ghostty team’s PoV - I don’t agree with it.
That's fair, I get the frustration.
I guess I've been cutting Mitchell some slack since this is a passion project for him - his goal was to build the modern terminal he always wanted, so an opinionated feature set was always expected. And, new terminals with actual new features need their own terminfo entries, it just comes with the territory. It'll sort itself out as the databases catch up.
For now, though, you don't need to address this on an individual host level. I'm in the same boat at work with thousands of servers. If you want to give Ghostty another shot, this wrapper handles the issue automatically, even for servers where AcceptEnv doesn't include TERM or where SetEnv is disabled:
ssh() {
if [[ "$TERM" == "xterm-ghostty" ]]; then
TERM=xterm-256color command ssh "$@"
else
command ssh "$@"
fi
}
Just drop it in your
.bashrc
(or functions.sh
if you rock a modular setup) and SSH connections will auto-switch to compatible terminfo while keeping your local session full-featured. Best of both worlds. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I really appreciate your response. It’s incredibly helpful and deeply thoughtful. Thank you.
What comes next is not directed at you but rather provides some other color based on a few things you touched on.
I worked for the guy. He gets no slack from me. He changed my life in many ways both wonderful and not. And while it’s unlikely I’d work with or for him again he was a net positive in my life.
I don’t see product the way he sees product which is exactly as you note: it’s for him. Some of that “for him” approach has resonated deeply with the OSS community and still does. He changed Cloud Computing in the best of ways. He’s a giant. And we’re lucky he’s around.
This small ghostty issue (and some others I can’t recall now) was emblematic of our core disagreement about how we build systems for a broader user base. That’s why I said I get their PoV but disagree with it. I think it would be fair to say using the product reminded me a lot about this particular tension. Reading the GitHub issues even more so. That’s wholly on me.
I am thankful to ghostty for helping me explore many more options. I had been using iterm2 on my laptop and struggling to find something I liked on my Linux workstation. Checking out the new hotness after all the hype still resulted in a net positive.
Nevertheless I am genuinely happy it’s working for you and, again, thanks for your kind and calm response.
Wow - you've certainly got a unique perspective on the situation, and I'm grateful that you took the time to share it. Thank you. It's fascinating to hear from someone who actually worked with the guy.
I can relate to both the Linux struggle and your "I get their PoV but disagree" reaction. Had the same feeling when Kitty's creator dismissed multiplexers as "a hack" - as a longtime tmux user, that stung. Great tool, but that philosophy never sat right with me.
I bounced between most of the more popular terminals for years (Wezterm rocks but has performance issues, Kitty never felt quite right) so I was eager for Ghostty to drop. So far it's delivered on what I was hoping for (despite needing a minor tweak or two out of the box).
I'm glad you found my last response so helpful. Sounds like exploring alternatives worked out well for you in the end, which is what matters. Cheers. 😀
Pssst. 😀
github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty…
Add SSH Integration Configuration Option (#7608) · ghostty-org/ghostty@5a5c9e4
Addresses #4156 and #5892, specifically by implementing @mitchellh's [request](https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/discussions/5892#discussioncomment-12283628) for "opt-in shell integra...GitHub
If you are happy with the default, then just use the default.
Some of us use the terminal more than any other app, so I like my terminal to be super lightweight and snappy in all situations so it opens instantaneously (I doubt this one is like that though, if it has big dependencies like GTK / Qt), preferably if it does so without sacrificing in features (true color, things like sixel for graphics, allowing to set fallback fonts, maybe font ligatures, being able to set the app-id so my compositor can treat special terminal windows differently, etc).
Israel’s War on Reproduction in Gaza
The single explosion destroyed more than 4,000 embryos and over 1,000 vials of sperm and unfertilized eggs. Dr Bahaeldeen Ghalayini, the obstetrician who established the clinic, summed up the implications of the attack in an interview with Reuters: “5,000 lives in one shell.”The strike was an act of reprocide: the systematic targeting of a community’s reproductive health with the intention of eliminating their future. In the context of Israel’s ongoing genocidal war in Gaza, reprocide serves as a tactic. Indeed, genocide includes its definition, “imposing measures intended to prevent births” within a particular national, ethnic or religious group.
The bombing of the IVF clinic was one spectacular example, but as a Palestinian women’s rights activist from Gaza, I have lived and witnessed how Israel uses reprocide within a settler colonial framework that seeks not only territorial domination but demographic erasure—a process that began long before October 7, 2023.
When I was 15 years old, following the Israeli assault on Gaza in 2008–2009, Israeli soldiers began wearing and distributing t-shirts that depicted a pregnant woman in crosshairs above the slogan “1 Shot 2 Kills.” I recall the fear felt by the pregnant women I knew. The t-shirts prompted people around me to recount stories of pregnant women being killed or wounded during other moments of extreme violence in Palestinian history, from the start of the Nakba in 1948 to the Sabra and Shatila massacres in 1982. Underscoring the eliminationist nature of this violence, Israel remains among the world’s leaders in assisted reproduction technology, actively encouraging birth rates among Jewish citizens.
In an effort to trace the effects of reprocide amid Israel’s ongoing genocidal war, between October 2023 and October 2024, I collected ethnographic evidence—voice notes, text messages, emails and phone calls—from those enduring or witnessing reproductive violence. Analyzing their accounts alongside official reports from Gaza reveals the many ways Israel has weaponized reproduction, some more obvious than others: from the direct assaults on reproductive health and infrastructure to the conditions it forces women and men to reproduce under to sexual violence and its role in reproductive erasure.
Israel’s War on Reproduction in Gaza - MERIP
Hala Shoman reports on reprocide as a tactic of eliminationist violence.Marya Hannun (MERIP)
Israel’s War on Reproduction in Gaza
The single explosion destroyed more than 4,000 embryos and over 1,000 vials of sperm and unfertilized eggs. Dr Bahaeldeen Ghalayini, the obstetrician who established the clinic, summed up the implications of the attack in an interview with Reuters: “5,000 lives in one shell.”The strike was an act of reprocide: the systematic targeting of a community’s reproductive health with the intention of eliminating their future. In the context of Israel’s ongoing genocidal war in Gaza, reprocide serves as a tactic. Indeed, genocide includes its definition, “imposing measures intended to prevent births” within a particular national, ethnic or religious group.
The bombing of the IVF clinic was one spectacular example, but as a Palestinian women’s rights activist from Gaza, I have lived and witnessed how Israel uses reprocide within a settler colonial framework that seeks not only territorial domination but demographic erasure—a process that began long before October 7, 2023.
When I was 15 years old, following the Israeli assault on Gaza in 2008–2009, Israeli soldiers began wearing and distributing t-shirts that depicted a pregnant woman in crosshairs above the slogan “1 Shot 2 Kills.” I recall the fear felt by the pregnant women I knew. The t-shirts prompted people around me to recount stories of pregnant women being killed or wounded during other moments of extreme violence in Palestinian history, from the start of the Nakba in 1948 to the Sabra and Shatila massacres in 1982. Underscoring the eliminationist nature of this violence, Israel remains among the world’s leaders in assisted reproduction technology, actively encouraging birth rates among Jewish citizens.
In an effort to trace the effects of reprocide amid Israel’s ongoing genocidal war, between October 2023 and October 2024, I collected ethnographic evidence—voice notes, text messages, emails and phone calls—from those enduring or witnessing reproductive violence. Analyzing their accounts alongside official reports from Gaza reveals the many ways Israel has weaponized reproduction, some more obvious than others: from the direct assaults on reproductive health and infrastructure to the conditions it forces women and men to reproduce under to sexual violence and its role in reproductive erasure.
Israel’s War on Reproduction in Gaza - MERIP
Hala Shoman reports on reprocide as a tactic of eliminationist violence.Marya Hannun (MERIP)
OpenAI's o3-pro is much smarter than o3 and amazing at using tools, but the model requires a lot of context to run well and without enough it tends to overthink
God is hungry for Context: First thoughts on o3 pro
OpenAI dropped o3 pricing 80% today and launched o3-pro. Ben Hylak of Raindrop.ai returns with the world's first early review.Ben Hylak (Latent.Space)
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