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Australia asks China to explain 'extraordinary' military build-up


Australia's defence minister Richard Marles has called on China to explain why it needs to have "such an extraordinary military build-up".

On Sunday morning, Marles asserted that "what we have seen from China is the single biggest increase in military capability and build up in conventional sense, by any country since the end of the Second World War".

It is not just the size of the military build-up that concerns other countries, he told reporters.

"It's the fact that it is happening without strategic reassurance. It's happening without a clear strategic intent on the part of China… what we want to see is strategic transparency and strategic reassurance be provided by China, and an understanding of why it is needed to have such an extraordinary military build-up."

in reply to MicroWave

Australian navy keeps fucking around in the South China, deliberately trying to antagonise China because the US told them to. No Western news coverage of this at all.

The US keeps trying to use the Taiwan situation as a wedge issue, keeping dozens of warships stationed in the area, because they desperately want another proxy war. No Western news coverage of this.

China does anything at all in response to all this deliberate antagonisation, even if it's something as minor as, telling an Australian ship to go away, or moving PLA troops around in response to the Americans. Western news media makes a huge amount of noise about how China is doing all these for no reason and in response to nothing, and how they must be stopped with a military intervention.

in reply to bobthened

"fucking around in the South China" = sailing in international waters as defined by the UNCLOS, to which China is a signatory

"US keeps trying to use the Taiwan situation as a wedge issue" = maintaining the status quo in the face of repeated, overt invasion threats

"desperately want a proxy war" = can't allow an oligo-fascist state to seize control of the single-path source of chips that enable modern life

"no western news coverage of this" = I don't look at the news




Torture and Forced Disappearances: Inside Wagner’s Secret Prisons in Mali


Since arriving in Mali in 2021, Russian Wagner mercenaries have abducted and detained hundreds of civilians in former UN bases and military camps shared with the Malian army. Our investigation, as part of the Viktoriia project, reveals secret prisons where abuse and torture are carried out with total impunity.
in reply to Pro

web.archive.org/web/2025060223…

Cool state department propaganda bro. I prefer state department funded admissions of letting terrorism run rampant in the region across years and years of expensive military deployment, though. africacenter.org/spotlight/fiv… I don't think anyone is taking the Guantanamo Bay guys seriously with the "hey look, a Russian bird!" shit. You are not going to convince people that Africa is worse off with the Russians and Chinese.

If you DM me I will be happy to send you videos of the Ukrainians torturing their own soldiers with an electrified bedframe, which I got from Azov Telegram myself. That is, if you're curious why I can immediately intuit that "Viktoriaa" is full of shit.



Graphite Caught: First Forensic Confirmation of Paragon’s iOS Mercenary Spyware Finds Journalists Targeted


On April 29, 2025, a select group of iOS users were notified by Apple that they were targeted with advanced spyware. Among the group were two journalists that consented for their cases described publicly. The key findings from our forensic analysis of their devices are summarized below:
  • Our analysis finds forensic evidence confirming with high confidence that both a prominent European journalist (who requests anonymity), and Italian journalist Ciro Pellegrino, were targeted with Paragon’s Graphite mercenary spyware.
  • We identify an indicator linking both cases to the same Paragon operator.
  • Apple confirms to us that the zero-click attack deployed in these cases was mitigated as of iOS 18.3.1 and has assigned the vulnerability CVE-2025-43200.
    Our analysis is ongoing.


Graphite Caught: First Forensic Confirmation of Paragon’s iOS Mercenary Spyware Finds Journalists Targeted


On April 29, 2025, a select group of iOS users were notified by Apple that they were targeted with advanced spyware. Among the group were two journalists that consented for their cases described publicly. The key findings from our forensic analysis of their devices are summarized below:
  • Our analysis finds forensic evidence confirming with high confidence that both a prominent European journalist (who requests anonymity), and Italian journalist Ciro Pellegrino, were targeted with Paragon’s Graphite mercenary spyware.
  • We identify an indicator linking both cases to the same Paragon operator.
  • Apple confirms to us that the zero-click attack deployed in these cases was mitigated as of iOS 18.3.1 and has assigned the vulnerability CVE-2025-43200.
    Our analysis is ongoing.

in reply to vegeta

I just wonder if we're ever going to be able rebuild HHS after he's gone
in reply to Eat_Your_Paisley

I wonder if you're ever going to be able to rebuild the USA. Especially if half the population die in the next pandemic with no vaccines.
in reply to floofloof

You’re not selling population decrease as a bad thing ;)
in reply to floofloof

It’s completely fucked for the rest of my life at the very least. Progress moves too slowly and destroying what’s been gained goes unbelievably quickly. The democrats absolutely suck at their jobs and the republicans are extremely effective at what they do. Add that to whatever else trump is going to fuck up in the remaining three and a half years of his term and I don’t think we’re going to get anywhere for a long time.
in reply to floofloof

And a lot of us are leaving the country, permanently, too.



My Mac Contacted 63 Different Apple Owned Domains in One Hour - While Not is Use


in reply to atlas

Not sure where you take the N from. Plus it's needlessly derogatory. How about FMAGA instead? Because F MAGA!
in reply to Chais

idk I got it from this vid
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Most of it is functional things like iCloud, notifications, share my location, etc. Apple has very few domains for telemetry alone.


The Tangled Knot of Anti-Zionist Violence


Doubling down on the conflation of Zionism and Judaism won’t stop violent attacks.

[This is a must-read article on the recent killings in DC and the attack on the protest in Boulder, Colorado.]

from Jewish Currents
Daniel May
June 11, 2025

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4 ex-DPP members indicted for espionage





Sabrina Carpenter taps Spinal Tap cover.


Wasn't meant to be overly disrespectful:

“She should be made to smell the glove, but… you know, not over and over.”

Read More: Spinal Tap – Most Shocking Album Covers
#meta


Don't give Trump what he wants


For the protests Trump is hoping for one of two outcomes:

  1. The protests escalate and he seizes power just like Hitler did: theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/…
  2. People roll over, stay silent and comply with the administration out of fear.

If fact I wonder if #1 would be more ideal for Trump because it would be a unifying cause for Republicans who are currently divided and soon face economic uncertainty. Remember that Trump's polling was worst in April during times of greatest economic uncertainty. However let's not give him either of those. Let's humiliate Trump by making all the people he brought in, in hopes of escalating useless and bored. Imagine the pictures of them standing around with nothing to do. It will foil the well used dictator playbook for seizing power.

The reality is a vast, vast majority of the protests are going to be peaceful no matter what. The problem is that the media even the mainstream media will focus on any violence there is so we need we really need to be as perfect as we can so let's do everything we can to ensure that every single protest remains as peaceful as possible and also take charge of the narrative too.

What we need to do is protest peacefully and lawfully, be a little more spread out, stay away from situations that are violent. I'd also recommend staying away from police and military. Use the time to expose Trump's corruption and educate people and bring new people to the movement and maybe even help register people to vote. By building a broad peaceful coalition we can reach even those who are stuck in echo chambers where they will only see what little violence there is and not notice the peaceful protests. The only way to break through is to protest peacefully in your city so they can see that protests are peaceful or get previously neutral people involved in protesting who will talk to their friends who will in-turn talk to their friends and so on eventually reaching those in echo chambers.

I'd recommend bringing American flags, say we love our country, we believe ALL Americans have equal rights and that we support the constitution and upholding American tradition like separation of power, that no one is above the law and that there are no kings in America. The more people who do that the more chances the media will be forced to show this which disrupts the false narrative that we're not patriotic, in fact I feel we're way more patriotic than the people who still worship traitors like the confederates, those who want to destroy our country and those who feel that only Americans who have the right skin color, gender and socioeconomic status deserve rights.

Online and in person we must strongly push back against those who call for violence, balkanization or civil war. These things will be devastating to everyone. I can tell you that I'm a blue dot in a red state, I have lots of friends and family members who are as well. Nearly all of us are too poor and too deeply rooted in our communities to move. This could literally be deadly for us and millions of innocent people who don't support what's going on now and even if not deadly lots of us could one day be subject to a oppressive regime in a spin-off of part of America, that would be horrible. If we make it to the midterms we can win enough elections and make our country better in all 50 states peacefully and legally.

Remember: broad peaceful coalition, bring more and more people over, eventually even some Trump supporters will see the light and we'll resolve this peacefully. I know we can do it!

PS: Hands-off put together a list of articles about de-escalation training here: actionnetwork.org/user_files/u…

The YouTube link in the PDF wasn't stripped of tracking so use this link to watch their de-escalation training: youtu.be/_Pgmn9QRr48

I also saw an interesting idea of having monitors in high visibility vests and using whistles whenever they see even initial signs of violence, in the original suggestion they advised sitting but I read some persuasive comments that mentioned sitting down could be dangerous, instead I think leaving is the best approach.

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in reply to WeUnite

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Meta Filed a Lawsuit Against The Entity Behind CrushAI Nudify App.


  • Today, we’ve filed a lawsuit against the entity behind CrushAI and are taking other steps to clamp down on nudify apps.
  • We’re building new technology to detect ads for nudify apps and sharing signals about these apps with other tech companies so they can take action too.
  • We have strict rules against non-consensual intimate imagery – whether it’s real or AI-generated – including the promotion of nudify apps.
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in reply to Pro

I thought they hopped on trumps post truth wagon and removed all the fact checkers, why are they making a fuzz about this specific topic?
in reply to Jeena

It (nudify) makes AI look bad and is the leading example people are using when proposing legislation to regulate AI. If they can end this prominent thing, not only do they look like they're fighting for the users, but they help keep the gvmt from meddling with whatever henious shit they want to do with AI (by removing the best argument the pro-regulation groups have right now)
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in reply to Pro

This is a case where every other organism on earth, except for maybe the junk bug, looks at humans with a confused air of disdain. Like, why did you manufacture this intractable problem by mandating clothing and shaming nudity in the first place?
in reply to Gordon Calhoun

Like, why did you manufacture this intractable problem by mandating clothing and shaming nudity in the first place?


You think humans invented clothing because of shame?

That's completely backwards, we invented clothing for protection, and not seeing everything all the time led to shame when someone could see us.

Like, I'm pretty sure hermit crabs feel something similar to shame when they don't have a shell, they need something to drive them to not only protect themselves, but to ensure they can reproduce and raise their young. That's why humans instinctually get weird about exposed genitals and boobs, those are the most important parts of a human from an evolutionary perspective.

I get what you're trying to say, it's just you're going about it completely backwards

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in reply to givesomefucks

Nah, I get that exposed flesh isn't always comfortable or safe and the practical solution is to just steal the skin of some other animal (or convert crude oil into super soft knit fabrics). I'm just of the personal mindset that if someone is comfortable enough in their own skin that they are completely fine going about their business in the buff, that the rest of society shouldn't lose its shit and just be like, "k whatever u do u naked person wear sunblock."
in reply to Gordon Calhoun

That is my culture. Why do you have so little respect for my culture as to think I should follow your values?

I have seen variations of this debate in letters from around 100. I'm sure it goes back much farther.

in reply to bluGill

Culture is just that which a group says/does. If you value the well-being of humans then you can evaluate if an action is good or not. "Respect" of culture need not come into the solution of how best it is to act.


Meta Filed a Lawsuit Against The Entity Behind CrushAI Nudify App.


  • Today, we’ve filed a lawsuit against the entity behind CrushAI and are taking other steps to clamp down on nudify apps.
  • We’re building new technology to detect ads for nudify apps and sharing signals about these apps with other tech companies so they can take action too.
  • We have strict rules against non-consensual intimate imagery – whether it’s real or AI-generated – including the promotion of nudify apps.
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Descubra Tudo o Que a 7BRWIN Tem a Oferecer aos Jogadores Brasileiros


A 7BRWIN é uma plataforma de entretenimento digital que conquistou seu espaço entre os brasileiros por oferecer uma combinação de diversão, segurança e praticidade. Seja para iniciantes ou jogadores experientes, a plataforma tem se mostrado uma escolha confiável e completa.

A primeira impressão já é positiva. A página inicial da 7BRWIN é limpa, organizada e responsiva. Os jogos são distribuídos em categorias fáceis de navegar, e há destaque para novidades, promoções e lançamentos. Com apenas alguns cliques, o usuário já pode começar sua jornada.

O catálogo de jogos é extenso e atualizado regularmente. Entre os destaques estão os populares slots com bônus interativos, jogos de roleta e cartas com múltiplas versões, além de salas com apresentadores reais para quem busca mais emoção. Cada jogo é otimizado para rodar bem em diferentes dispositivos, sem travamentos ou falhas técnicas.

Além da variedade, a plataforma oferece promoções que fazem diferença. Novos usuários podem receber bônus de entrada, enquanto jogadores frequentes têm acesso a desafios e torneios com prêmios em dinheiro e brindes exclusivos. Essas campanhas são divulgadas no painel do usuário, tornando a participação simples e direta.

A segurança é tratada com seriedade. A 7BRWIN utiliza criptografia de alto nível para proteger dados pessoais e financeiros. As transações são feitas por meios seguros como PIX, carteiras digitais e transferências bancárias, sempre com acompanhamento e transparência.

O suporte ao cliente também é exemplar. Disponível todos os dias, o atendimento pode ser acessado via chat ou e-mail, com respostas em português e resoluções rápidas. Isso mostra o compromisso da empresa em cuidar da experiência do usuário em todos os aspectos.

Combinando inovação, suporte eficiente e uma ampla gama de jogos, a 7BRWIN oferece muito mais do que entretenimento: proporciona uma jornada divertida e segura, feita sob medida para o público brasileiro.

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AJWIN — A Revolução do Entretenimento Online em Suas Mãos


O universo dos jogos online evoluiu rapidamente nos últimos anos, e a AJWIN surgiu como uma verdadeira revolução nesse cenário. Com uma proposta moderna, segura e recheada de entretenimento, a plataforma conquistou jogadores de todo o Brasil que buscam diversão com qualidade e confiança.

Desde o primeiro acesso, é possível perceber o quanto a AJWIN investe em tecnologia. O site é leve, com carregamento rápido, design responsivo e compatibilidade com celulares, tablets e computadores. Essa acessibilidade garante que o jogador aproveite seus momentos de lazer em qualquer lugar, a qualquer hora.

A grande estrela da plataforma é, sem dúvida, sua impressionante variedade de jogos. A AJWIN reúne centenas de opções que vão desde os jogos clássicos de número até os mais modernos e gráficos envolventes. Há modalidades para quem gosta de adrenalina, desafios estratégicos ou diversão rápida, sem complicações.

Um destaque especial são os jogos interativos ao vivo, que permitem maior imersão e conexão com outros jogadores. A sensação é de estar em uma sala real de entretenimento, mas com a comodidade do ambiente digital. Essa experiência única cativa tanto iniciantes quanto jogadores mais experientes.

A plataforma também se diferencia pelas promoções constantes e bônus generosos. Desde o momento do cadastro, o jogador já é surpreendido com vantagens especiais, que aumentam as chances de jogo e tornam a jornada ainda mais emocionante. Além disso, os programas de fidelidade premiam quem joga com frequência, incentivando a continuidade da diversão.

No quesito segurança, a AJWIN não deixa a desejar. Utilizando tecnologia de ponta, como criptografia de dados e proteção de transações, a plataforma oferece tranquilidade total ao usuário. Os métodos de pagamento incluem opções populares como PIX, cartões e carteiras digitais, todos com processamento rápido e eficiente.

O atendimento ao cliente é outro ponto forte. A AJWIN disponibiliza suporte todos os dias da semana, com atendimento em português, pronto para tirar dúvidas, resolver questões técnicas e auxiliar com qualquer dificuldade.

Combinando inovação, diversidade e responsabilidade, a AJWIN se firma como uma das plataformas de jogos mais completas do mercado brasileiro. Uma escolha inteligente para quem busca entretenimento com qualidade, confiança e emoção.

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European ISPs Complain About 'Disproportionate' Pirate Site Blocking


Internet providers are increasingly tasked in the role of anti-piracy enforcers and instructed to block pirate websites and services. In Europe, court-ordered blockades are now commonplace, but ISPs are cautious when it comes to further expansion. In a recent submission to the EU Commission, EuroISPA, which represents over 3,300 ISPs, complains about "disproportionate" blocking measures, as recently seen in Italy, Spain and elsewhere.
in reply to 0x0

That urgency of blocking websites should be used to take down CSAM and truly dangerous content, not piracy imo. But they only care about money as usual.
in reply to RiQuY

lets be honest; some of the biggest proponents of csam are executives in boardrooms of major media companies.


AI lets clinicians ‘chat’ with medical records


#AII


sarà rottaggio imprevisto, quando continuo e inspiegabile


In questi giorni, il rotting sta lievemente imperversando. Ahimè!!! A questo punto della mattina sono già le 12 passate, e io non ho ancora fatto nulla di rilevante, il che è greve e preoccupante, visto il contesto ultimo presente. Un sintomo evidente della cosa è che qui i post stanno uscendo a fatica, in questi […]

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sarà rottaggio imprevisto, quando continuo e inspiegabile


In questi giorni, il rotting sta lievemente imperversando. Ahimè!!! A questo punto della mattina sono già le 12 passate, e io non ho ancora fatto nulla di rilevante, il che è greve e preoccupante, visto il contesto ultimo presente. Un sintomo evidente della cosa è che qui i post stanno uscendo a fatica, in questi ultimi giorni, ma appunto non perché io stia facendo molto altro di intrigante; i minuti giusto scorrono così, senza che sia possibile capire precisamente il perché. 💀

Ieri mattina addirittura mi sono in qualche modo svegliata quasi alle 13, al punto che ho dovuto zompare colazione e ho direttamente pranzato, perché ops. Questo è accaduto perché, durante la notte (o meglio, la mattina, visto che sarà successo al massimo qualche quarto d’ora prima del mio vero risveglio), ho sognato di svegliarmi ed alzarmi mentre che fossero le 11 e qualcosa, come altre mattine… di conseguenza, evidentemente il mio cervello credeva che io fossi già perfettamente resuscitata e, allora mi ha fatta rimanere fisicamente e mentalmente lì nel letto, finché non è arrivato mio padre probabilmente preoccupandosi sotto sotto di se fossi morta. 🦗

Sempre meglio di ieri sera o stamattina, però, visto che rispettivamente nel primo caso mi era venuto mal di testa senza fare niente (ma almeno sono andata a dormire un po’ prima), e nel secondo mi è salita l’allergia forte con il muco potente e persino la sciorda pesante. E, appunto, è un pochino imbarazzante che, nonostante io mi sia svegliata alle 10 stamattina, non ho ancora fatto praticamente nulla per cui valga la pena che questa giornata consumi le mie energie vitali (cioè, per cui valga la pena non essere rimasta nel letto fino ad ora di pranzo anche stavolta, ma in questo caso volontariamente). 🥱
"Can't wait for summer!!"Also me all summerVabbè, in sintesi ho il presentimento che in parte questa possa essere l’estate. Non che io l’abbia mai desiderata in effetti, a differenza di altre persone che prima la vogliono ma poi quando arriva si lamentano, quindi tipo non è colpa mia se mi fa un pochino questo effetto qui, però è comunque seccante e per certi aspetti problematico. Se avete idee per ridurre la marciscenza però, compatibilmente a quello che posso fare e che mi piace o potrebbe piacermi, accetto ovviamente suggerimenti… 🙏




I'm sick of people not accepting the current American rule


I've seen a number of people trying to deny the truth, and it's honestly sickening at this point. How bad do things have to get for people to acknowledge what I recognized on the night of November 5th? People really cannot handle reality as it is.

essell doesn't like this.

in reply to TotallynotJessica

Me opening the comments
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in reply to daniel_callahan

They should comply by turning it all over printed, out of order, in several hundred unlabeled boxes
in reply to Throbbing_banjo

With major portions either missing or balled up and soaked with toilet water, covered in finger prints smeared with self tanner
in reply to SassyRamen

"...in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard'."


I Am Marching to Gaza for Suffering Children






Tonga Poised to Be the First Country to Recognize Rights of Whales




CIO wants to clone top techies as digital twin and AI agents


cross-posted from: lazysoci.al/post/28276061


in reply to daniel_callahan

Liberals will be blaming him for their losses for decades to come.


It just worked.


I've felt compelled to post; it just works!

I've got a pc which is over a decade old; I've only ever used Microsoft with my main OS on that machine being windows 7 and then windows 10.
With the new requirements for windows 11 being what they were I was considering installing it anyway with some workarounds.
My computer appeared to be getting slower, I was annoyed with all of the bloat which goes along with the Microsoft OS, the constant reminders to "finish setting up my device" and use one drive. All of this was a bit too much for me.

I figured I'd have a go at installing a Linux OS. I'd ran Ubuntu years and years ago as an experiment on an evening older pc and it was very much sub par, it looked nice, it was a pain to do anything and didn't play any of the games I wanted at the time.

A little bit of research told me that Linux mint may be a good option. I also read that dual booting can be difficult. So I just backed up my data, and installed it on the hard disk.

It was mostly seamless, I had issues with my graphics driver, which meant I couldn't click the buttons to install mint & crashes, when running off the live disk to see what the os was like. This was part of the reason I just installed it on the hard drive and didn't go through with a 'testing' phase.

Once that was resolved by installing the Nvidia driver I could use mint. This was made quite easy as it was just a few clicks in the gui and made really obvious to see. And the Mint does everything I need it to!

Gaming appears to have come a long, long way, I ran Civ V to test and it worked.

My Bluetooth mouse and keyboard connected without issue.

The libre office suite is great to use and I've found it similar to the Microsoft equivalents.

My computer appears to be faster. I now realise that it was actually just the additional demands of the Microsoft OS on my machine which slowed it.

I have a multi screen set up, this simply just worked, the only tweek I made was selecting my main monitor.

To top it all, and perhaps the most surprising thing for me (and the reason for the post) is the printer just worked. Like, printers never just work. It's just plugged in, recognised and I could print. No additional set up needed.

I'm short, Linux has progressed so much over the years. I thank all those who have worked on it to make it such a great option. It will be my main OS going forward and I'll advocate for it. I'll also ensure that my kids are running a Linux OS when they have computers of their own.

So, if you're reading this and unsure about Linux, don't be. It's great and easy to set up, works flawlessly.

in reply to Good_Slate

I have a Lenovo Legion 5 Pro with an RTX3060. When Linux can run 2D graphic animations in browsers with more than 5fps I'll switch, but it just doesn't work.

It may have come a long way, but let's not pretend it's flawless.

in reply to sykaster

I run the same laptop with the same card, doing heavy work in blender and 3d games on Linux. What are you talking about?
in reply to Ludrol

3D graphics worked out of the box, but the 2D animations in the browser on any browser, any distro, any driver are super low FPS. I feel like I've tried everything and I cannot solve this. What's your distro?
in reply to sykaster

I now run bazzite but arch and ubuntu worked good enough for me, definitely no 5fps choppines in the UI.
in reply to Ludrol

I tried all of those, same issue on all of them on Brave, Chromium, and Firefox. I've given up hope for now, maybe with the next laptop.
in reply to sykaster

feddit.nl/post/34127250 just found your post and strangely enough survev.io/ IS unplayable.
in reply to sykaster

When Linux can run 2D graphic animations in browsers with more than 5fps I’ll switch, but it just doesn’t work.


I have a laptop with a 3060 and I don't have this issue.

in reply to DownWithIsrael

Ok, but there is something here. in 99% percent everything works fine but when @sykaster@feddit.nl and I go to survev.io/ the performance is awful. Tested both on X11 and Wayland.



Could this be the death of Australia's nightmarish welfare system?


Mutual obligation is one of the last great shibboleths of Australian politics. Now the entire system is under scrutiny with potentially big implications for our welfare system.


Half of businesses rethink ditching humans for customer service bots


Agentless contact center 'not yet technically feasible, nor operationally desirable'


in reply to BrikoX

Why after Hurricane season? Does he think this is the last hurricane season ever? If you’re gonna cut it you clearly don’t care so why wait?
in reply to But_my_mom_says_im_cool

Probably because Acting head of FEMA said he wasn't aware U.S. has a hurricane season, sources say, so they are confused.




A Carrelli tram in Milan, Italy, from 1927


I took a picture of this tram this morning.

This is a series of trams "type Edison" produced in Italy in the period 1927-1930

They are in active use on a number of lines in Milan, and while beautiful, they are slow, hardly accessible and noisy... But still.

Some more info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATM_Clas…

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