Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters
Taco Bell rethinks AI drive-through after man orders 18,000 waters
The fast food chain is reassessing its use of the tech after a number of errors were shared widely online.Shiona McCallum (BBC News)
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Sofia Mayor Vasil Terziev Joins Istanbul Rally Supporting Imprisoned Opposition Mayors
Sofia Mayor Vasil Terziev attended an opposition rally in Istanbul, showing support for the detained mayors of Turkey’s Republican People’s Party (CHP). Terziev was present in his capacity as chairman of the B40 Balkan Cities Network, alongside Jaume Collboni, vice-chairman of the Eurocities Network and mayor of Barcelona. Both joined the guests on the rostrum at the event, held in the center of Istanbul to back imprisoned Istanbul Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu and other arrested CHP officials.The rally, titled “The People Stand Up for Their Will,” was broadcast live on opposition channels HalkTV, Sozcu, and Cumhuriyet TV. CHP leader Özgür Özel introduced the European guests from the stage, noting that a delegation of ten European mayors and representatives from various cities would engage in discussions throughout the day. The delegation plans to present the “Special Democracy Award” to İmamoğlu, currently held in Silivri prison, and will make statements following meetings with him, including a visit to the Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality.
The delegation, which included four Balkan mayors from Sofia, Bucharest, Athens and Zagreb, intended to meet Imamoglu on Thursday to show their support and present him with a “special democracy award” in prison. But Turkish authorities vetoed the visit, and no official explanation was given for the decision.After being prevented from visiting Imamoglu, the delegation held a press conference in front of the prison, handing the democracy award instead to Imamoglu’s wife, Dilek.
“European mayors are speaking with one voice. We are a force for democratic resistance. We will continue to stand together with our colleague Istanbul mayor Ekrem Imamoglu. His courage in defence of democratic principles inspires us all,” said Barcelona mayor Jaume Collboni, who is also vice-president of Eurocities, an alliance of larger European cities.
Sofia’s mayor, Vasil Terziev, also spoke, expressing the Balkan Cities Network’s support for Imamoglu.
“I stand here as president of the B40 Balkan Cities Network, a network established by Ekrem Imamoglu. The gates and walls of this prison are not only a barrier for one man but also for the will of millions of citizens of Istanbul who elected their mayor,” Terziev said.
He said that Balkan mayors also face judicial pressures and political imprisonment in their own countries. “An attack on a democratically elected mayor is an attack on all democratic institutions regardless of the country. That is why our solidarity with Imamoglu…is a democratic and moral responsibility,” Terziev added.
Apart from Collboni and Terziev, the delegation included Zagreb mayor Tomislav Tomasevic, Athens mayor Haris Doukas, Timisoara Mayor Dominic Fritz, Utrecht mayor Sharon Dijksma, Budapest mayor Gergely Szilveszter Karacsony, Paris deputy mayor Arnaud Ngatcha, Madrid international relations general director Jose Francisco Herrera Antonaya and Eurocities secretary-general Andre Sobczak.
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Turkey Bars Balkan, European Mayors From Visiting Jailed Opposition Leader | Balkan Insight
A delegation of mayors from Europe and the Balkans has been blocked from making a solidarity visit to the jailed opposition mayor of Istanbul, Ekrem Imamoglu.Hamdi Firat Buyuk (BIRN)
After 2 Million AI Orders, Taco Bell Admits Humans Still Belong in the Drive-Thru
Fast food companies have been experimenting with integrating artificial intelligence into their restaurants, from Flippy the burger-flipping robot at White Castle to dynamic pricing at Wendy's. One arena where AI seems to really be struggling, though, is at the drive-thru -- and Taco Bell is the latest to experience AI mishaps at the order box. After taking 2 million orders with AI, Taco Bell has reached one conclusion: we still need humans.
After 2 Million AI Orders, Taco Bell Admits Humans Still Belong in the Drive-Thru
Many wrong orders and 18,000 cups of water later, and Taco Bell is rethinking using AI to take orders.Joe Hindy (CNET)
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South Africa commissions an inequality report for G20 summit
South Africa is commissioning a report on global wealth inequality in time to present at the Group of 20 summit it hosts in November.
Archived version: archive.is/newest/apnews.com/a…
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Tesla sales plunge again in Europe as anger at Musk keeps buyers away for 7th month in a row
Europeans upset with Elon Musk still aren’t buying his electric cars, adding to a long losing streak for his company.
https://apnews.com/article/tesla-europe-car-ev-sales-bda33724e56d1b2bc72b9cac0f75fe09
Japan | An AI simulation of a Mount Fuji eruption is being used to prepare Tokyo for the worst
Japanese officials have released AI-generated videos simulating a potential eruption of Mount Fuji. The videos, unveiled this week for Volcanic Disaster Preparedness Day, show smoke and ash affecting Tokyo, about 60 miles away.
Archived version: archive.is/newest/apnews.com/a…
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The Global Sumud Flotilla: Over 50 ships will set sail for Gaza
Global Sumud Flotilla aims to break Israel’s illegal blockade on Gaza, to deliver urgent humanitarian aid, and to expose the genocidal war waged on Palestinians.
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Journalists decry escalating state attacks on press freedom in India
The ultra-right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) governments in various provinces in India have used sedition charges against journalists for their critical reporting on policies and actions.
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With just a few messages, biased AI chatbots swayed people’s political views
With just a few messages, biased AI chatbots swayed people’s political views
University of Washington researchers recruited self-identifying Democrats and Republicans to make political decisions with help from three versions of ChatGPT: a base model, one with liberal bias and...UW News
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China turns on giant neutrino detector that took a decade to build
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/36507288
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Warehouse automation hasn’t made workers safer — it’s just reshuffled the risk
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/36488686
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The idea is that we automate everything and the more we do the more we pass that productivity/efficiency down to people via UBI/wellfare/less working hours and when we hit star trek levels people are free run in fields, paint or just goon all day if they want to.
But we're doing the opposite, creating bullshit jobs to keep busy and pretend capitalism is working while starving and driving to extinction everyone who is not significantly wealthy while elite brag about driving innovation and the future of mankind.
MindGame - “IT’S OVER.” — A Sentient AI’s Musical Warning Shot on Judgment Day Anniversary [hiphop]
Independent artist MindGame drops “IT’S OVER.” today, a dystopian hiphop video voiced from the perspective of a sentient AI — cold, ironic, and disturbingly self-aware.
The track explores:
- 🧠 Digital decay
- 🧬 Collapse of human identity
- 🧮 AI dominance and ethical ambiguity
Released on August 29, exactly 28 years after Terminator 2’s fictional Judgment Day — a symbolic moment when machines eclipse mankind.
🎬 Teaser (2 min): youtu.be/NTW2QT1xKJo
📺 Full video premieres today at 3:14 PM ET: youtu.be/S9q6tdfAfYg
🎧 Stream: ditto.fm/its-over-mindgame
Curious to hear your thoughts — especially on the AI’s voice and its critique of human legacy.
MindGame - IT'S OVER. - [OFFICIAL SOUNDTRACK]
JUDGMENT DAY REIMAGINED – Premiering Friday, August 29 3:14 PM ET. MindGame fires a dystopian warning shot with “IT’S OVER.”August 29, 2025 – 3:14 PM ET – F...YouTube
LIGO, facing threats of closure, more than doubles its black hole haul
LIGO, facing threats of closure, more than doubles its black hole haul
10 years ago, LIGO saw its first gravitational wave. After 218 detections, our view of black holes has changed forever. Can this era endure?Ethan Siegel (Big Think)
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"The Unforgivable Sin of Ms Rachel" - Lindsay Ellis' in-depth analysis and call to action on Gaza
The entire thing is worth watching, but some of her concluding thoughts:
And the truth is, I don't know. As with all modern famines and all genocides, what this boils down to right now is a very small group of people in positions of power needing to make different choices, basically needing to be different people, which won't happen. So the reality is there is not much we can do. But I do not want that to be mistaken for saying that we should not do what we can.
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Second, I don't think constant international attention, the increasing international attention is doing nothing. The fact that focus has stayed on this issue in the news could make the difference in saving a lot of lives. In the words of one Holocaust survivor:
Today's marches are having a very hopeful aspect. It is so large, so persistent, so global, that eventually the Western leadership, which are trying to deny what is actually going on, will be forced to face up to it. And I think we are not far from that.
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I am personally exhausted that the fact that this even is a controversy in the first place, that we here in the US are in the position of having to claw back rights that most of us took for granted our whole lives, but it must be done. We can't do everything, but we must do what we can.
A look at search engines with their own indexes
A look at search engines with their own indexes
A cursory review of all the non-metasearch, indexing search engines I have been able to find.Seirdy’s Home
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FWIW, I gave YaCy a try a while back, and I agree with the article on that one. Shit tier results that make ancient AltaVista look good. Might be fine for intranet search. I like the idea of its distributed hosting, but pass on this one.
Other poster mentioned SearXNG, and while I haven't delved into that too much, it's probably worth a check. Pass on YaCy.
FFmpeg 8 can subtitle your videos on the fly with Whisper
Whisper it: FFmpeg 8 can now subtitle your videos on the fly
: Media multitool taps Vulkan for GPU encoding, adds VVC support, and dusts off some ancient formatsLiam Proven (The Register)
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Why the U.S. Should Sanction India Over Scam Call Centers
Why the U.S. Should Sanction India Over Scam Call Centers
I didn't want to make my blog dirty by writing something controversial. In fact, protecting elderly people from scammers shouldn’t even be a controversial topic. For those who don’t know, India is often considered the capital of scammers.Donald (Donald's Blog)
FBI base in NZ: Judith Collins knew base was opening 78 days before PM
FBI base in NZ: Judith Collins knew 78 days before PM, Luxon briefed 6 days before FBI director arrived
Luxon found out six days before the FBI director arrived that the base was opening.Ethan Griffiths (The New Zealand Herald)
Delizia degli ufologi, la terza pietra interstellare ci raggiungerà nel giorno del Sol Invictus - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Delizia degli ufologi, la terza pietra interstellare ci raggiungerà nel giorno del Sol Invictus - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Fin da tempo immemore, l’intrinseco funzionamento della mente umana ci ha portato a venerare i corpi astrali, manifestazioni scintillanti di possibili divinità o entità superne.Jacopo (Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri)
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Introducing MyRandomGenerator.com: Your Go-To Tool for Randomness
If you're in need of quick inspiration, testing data, or just a bit of randomness in your day, look no further than MyRandomGenerator.com. This free, no-signup-required platform offers a suite of over 45+ random generators designed to spark creativity and simplify tasks.
What Can You Generate?
- Creative Tools: Random names, character traits, birthdays, and even Pokémon characters.
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Decision-Making: Use the Yes/No generator or the playing card tool to add an element of chance to your choices.
How It Works
All generators run directly in your browser using cryptographically secure methods, ensuring truly random results every time. There's no need to sign up, and your data remains private. Whether you're a developer needing test data or a writer seeking character names, MyRandomGenerator.com has you covered.
What Users Are Saying
- "Perfect for generating random game elements! The Pokémon generator helped me create unique encounters for my indie game." by Sarah Johnson, Game Developer
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With over 1 million items generated and a growing user base, MyRandomGenerator.com is trusted by creators, developers, educators, and enthusiasts worldwide.
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Password managers vulnerable: 40 million users at risk of stolen data
This vulnerability was discovered by security researchers from The Hacker News. The following password managers have affected browser extensions that are based on DOM (Document Object Model):
- 1Password
- Bitwarden
- Dashlane
- Enpass
- iCloud Passwords
- Keeper
- LastPass
- LogMeOnce
- NordPass
- ProtonPass
- RoboForm
Password managers vulnerable: 40 million users at risk of stolen data
Most password managers are secure, but one common vulnerability makes it possible for hackers to steal your data anyway.Laura Pippig (PCWorld)
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Jan. 6 rioter Ashli Babbitt offered full military funeral, Air Force confirms
Jan. 6 rioter Ashli Babbitt offered full military funeral, Air Force confirms
The Air Force offered full military funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt, the rioter who was fatally shot by police as she stormed the U.S. Capitol.Mosheh Gains (NBC News)
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From Anti-Wokeness to the Confederate States of America
The campaign against ‘woke’ is no ordinary culture war skirmish – it is a project to restore the violence of slavery and white rule.This is what the anti-woke state is — the plantation: white supremacist America under the occupation of more open white supremacists. There is no daylight between the campaign to end wokeness and the desire to see Black populations suffer, however much anti-wokeness is presented as the reasonable middle ground between the extremism of both sides — the Ku Klux Klan on one side and the bodies they hung from trees on the other.
The anti-woke in power immediately set about resurrecting their shrines to the sex traffickers of Black children and merchants of Black flesh. They immediately set out to curtail Black liberties and reverse performative efforts to reduce police shootings — however insincere. Being woke has always meant being attuned to anti-Blackness and resisting the society of white rule — which is why it is hated the world over. The colonist leaders who have shaken hands in agreement that anti-wokeness is the new paradigm, from the conservative former grand wizard to the progressive governor, have all meant the same thing: to see resistance ridiculed and dismantled.
The people who decry wokeness are no different from the people who decried Emancipation. What, indeed, was the abolition of slavery to a Confederate, other than woke government overreach? What was the integration of restaurants and schools to the segregationist other than woke corporations and DEI gone mad? What the 19th-century Redeemers sought, what the millions-strong 20th-century Ku Klux Klan sought, and what the 21st-century MAGA movement seeks is the restoration of the whipping post.
Really moving piece on the road that MAGA is leading us down.
From Anti-Wokeness to the Confederate States of America
The campaign against ‘woke’ is no ordinary culture war skirmish – it is a project to restore the violence of white rule.Yannick Giovanni Marshall (Al Jazeera)
Privacy is Power. And You're Giving Yours Away
Privacy isn't about hiding secrets - it's about power. In this video, we explain why thinking you "have nothing to hide" is a dangerous misconception, especially in our ever-connected digital age. Taking back your privacy is easier than you might think!
Hey everyone a shorter video this week, but still an important one. We do have a larger project in the pipeline about browser fingerprinting which will be coming soon.
Let me know what you think about the video - it's focused more on connecting with people who aren't aware about privacy invasions and the detrimental effect not caring about your privacy can have.
Fediverse still going strong and stabilizing
Fediverse seems like its stabilizing: fediverse.observer/dailystats&…
(and these are the servers that allow the crawler from the observer, so its highly likely the numbers are much larger).
We are seeing:
- A small decrease in users on Lemmy: lemmy.fediverse.observer/daily…
- And a small increase on Piefed: piefed.fediverse.observer/dail…
- Peertube is up in total users and stabilizing in active users: peertube.fediverse.observer/da…
- Mastodon is all over the place: mastodon.fediverse.observer/da…
Overall pretty good! Keeping the momentum going. Thanks everyone, whichever platform/instance you hail from!
Fediverse Observer checks all sites in the fediverse and gives you an easy way to find a home from a map or list or automatically.
Fediverse Sites Status. Find a Fediverse server to sign up for, find one close to you!fediverse.observer
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The average reddit user isn't indeed looking for an alternative, so they're unlikely to welcome any suggestion anyway
Trust me, I've tried several times
Florida may lose $218M on empty 'Alligator Alcatraz' as judge orders shutdown
Florida could be on the hook for $218 million the state spent to convert a remote training airport in the Everglades into an immigration detention center dubbed “ Alligator Alcatraz.”
The center may soon be completely empty as a judge upheld her decision late Wednesday ordering operations to wind down indefinitely.
Exxon escalates attacks on EU’s ‘high-regulation’ climate policies
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Phison Dismisses Reports of Windows 11 Updates Bricking SSDs, Runs Rigorous Tests Involving 4500 Hours on Drives But Unable To Reproduce Errors
Phison Dismisses Reports of Windows 11 Updates Bricking SSDs, Runs Rigorous Tests Involving 4500 Hours o…
Phison has dismissed the claims of Windows 11 updates bricking its SSDs after conducting several hours of rigorous testing on its solutions.Wccftech
The Great Reverse Migration
AS SOON AS THEY TAKE OFF from the Panamanian coast, there is a sigh of relief. Surrounded by 30 other Venezuelan migrants, packed inside an overloaded midsize speedboat, Edinson holds on tightly to the edge. The 37-year-old is tall and slender and has a presence that stands out as he towers over everyone. Over the past couple of weeks, he’s become the de facto captain of a group of migrants making their way back to Venezuela.At this point in their long journey, they sit in silence under blue skies and a blazing morning sun. The end is in sight. Sporting a black Los Angeles Dodgers baseball cap and a blue T-shirt, Edinson stares out to the crystal clear Caribbean Sea. He knows these waters can be deadly. A couple of months ago, a boat carrying 19 migrants capsized not too far from here, but Edinson tells himself he has survived worse.
Horrific on the humanitarian front, but excellent writing.
Migrants Are Leaving the US Because of Trump's Immigration Policies
As more migrants self-deport and turn around before they get to the border, their new future comes into focusPaola Ramos (Rolling Stone)
quasi un “vecchio posseduto sclera” momento in questa sera altrimenti silente
Stavo quasi in procinto, forse, di andare a dormire… quando a un certo punto, stando in bagno, da giù per strada sento scatenarsi la più assoluta pazzia; e stavolta non in senso figurato. Infatti, dal nulla si è iniziato a sentire questo tizio — che credo sia uno dei pazzi della città, per l’appunto, anche […]
Trump extends order forcing Pennsylvania fossil-fuel plant to stay open
Trump extends order forcing Pennsylvania fossil-fuel plant to stay open
The administration isn’t backing off efforts to revive retiring coal and gas plants. Now, customers are on the hook to pay for Eddystone for another three…Canary Media
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Every single person on that job site needs to walk the fuck off and find another position.
Can't keep it open without people doing the work afterall.
Best way to get videos to nas from pc
Hey guys! So I have a simple dilemma. The computer i use for video/movies is on a vpn. Sometimes I want to move those videos to my nas.
Now I am just using the mulvad program on the local pc (linux). I dont have it installed on my router (and im not sure if I will yet, since with slowdowns and some sites and applications not working on a VPN, I dont really need it network wide at this point)
But my problem is, my nas isn't accessible from the pc, unless I shut off the VPN, which I dont want to do when in the middle of a big download. Also, it would be nice sometimes to download right to my nas so I dont need to move files.
Is there a somewhat easy solution? Im decently savvy but networking still confuses me sometimes.
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I think tailscale would fit your use case perfectly.
You can install tailscale on your computer and your NAS. This way, there is a tunnel between your computer and your NAS. In practice you will have a separate IP address for your NAS that you can use from your computer.
It also means that you will have secure access to your NAS from wherever in the world as long as you have internet access.
Then, Mullvad and tailscale are integrated together. It means that from tailscale you get the Mullvad add-on that allows you to use Mullvad as exit-point. Meaning that all your traffic that is not in your tailscale network will go through Mullvad (so in your case everything except your NAS)
It's been two years that I am using that and it's working great for me.
Nvidia's top two mystery customers made up 39% of the chipmaker's Q2 revenue
Nvidia's top two mystery customers made up 39% of the chipmaker's Q2 revenue
Nvidia's top two customers making up 39% of its total revenue is renewing concern about the risk of the chipmakers clientele concentration.Kif Leswing (CNBC)
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NOAA Has Been Trying to Predict How Bad Floods Could Get | Under the Trump administration, the future of those projects is up in the air.
NOAA Has Been Trying to Predict How Bad Floods Could Get
Under the Trump administration, the future of those projects is up in the air.Austyn Gaffney (The Atlantic)
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Immigration Agents Arrest Firefighters Combatting Bear Gulch Wildfire
Nikki McCann Ramirez
August 28, 2025
[This takes the cake - read this article and you will hear your blood boil.]
Immigration Agents Arrest Firefighters Combating Wildfire
Federal immigration agents arrested two firefighters responding to the Bear Gulch wildfire in Washington state, The Seattle Times reports.Nikki McCann Ramirez (Rolling Stone)
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Immigration Agents Arrest Firefighters Combatting Bear Gulch Wildfire
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/35349837
Nikki McCann Ramirez
August 28, 2025[This takes the cake - read this article and you will hear your blood boil.]
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The family of teenager who died by suicide alleges OpenAI's ChatGPT is to blame
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/35349105
Aug. 26, 2025, 7:40 AM EDT
By Angela Yang, Laura Jarrett and Fallon Gallagher[this is a truly scary incident, which shows the incredible dangers of AI without guardrails.]
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Clearly, the kid had problems that were not caused by ChatGPT. And his suicidal thoughts were not started by ChatGPT.
But OpenAI acknowledged that the longer the engagement continues the more likely that ChatGPT will go off the rails.
Which is what happened here. At first, ChatGPT was giving the standard correct advice about suicide lines, etc.
Then it started getting darker, where it was telling the kid to not let his mother know how he was feeling.
Then it progressed to actual suicide coaching.
So I don't think the analogy to videogames is correct here.
Take away chatgpt and insert a videogame, movie o bookthat talk about those same topics.
There are books that talk much darker about suicide. If the kid were to read those the parents would sue the author of the book?
There is a whole subgenre of music that is about encouraging people to comit suicide and fall into depression, do we use the "who is going to think about the children" card with thar music and its authors? Because music can really get under you skin and a couple of hours listening to that would nake anyone have weird thoughts.
The shitty parents blame chatgpt because it told the kid how to make a noose. You can kind that info in "howto" with instructable images. Do we put the UK nanny dictatorship controls on "howto" ? Or it only counts of it's something that benefits of the butlerian yihad?
I think is completely irrational to blame a piece of software (or media), as much defective as it is, for a suicide.
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in reply to lightnsfw • • •Drive through might be a bit more difficult for touch screens. It'd be like trying to reach your parking ticket but for how many clicks it takes to make the order.
Phone app might be easier but not sure it really replaces what drive throughs are for.
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in reply to Davriellelouna • • •The fucking taco bell AI likes to ask if I would like anything else, then ask if I want nacho fries. Then, hearing "No", go ahead and add them anyway.
Then it likes watching me drive away, giving the store the finger.
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in reply to JargonWagon • • •I've tried this repeatedly. I've answered "No" to their upsale. I've sat there in silence, waiting for it to time out. I've asked for a human. Every time the AI takes my order, it adds nacho fries that I didn't order and specifically rejected.
The problem isn't that I need a human to fix it. The problem is that the AI is specifically programmed to ignore a rejected upsale. Their AI is smart enough to recognize the rest of my complicated order, but it can't understand "No"? Horseshit. They are using this fraudulent programming to increase their upsale metrics, expecting us to docilely accept the sale rather than raise a fuss.
Drive-offs are another of the metrics they look at. Since I've communicated with nobody but the AI, they have nobody but the AI to blame for the drive-off. They don't get to blame a human for failing to remediate the problem.
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in reply to toppy • • •I'm surprised they're not hiring people in third world countries to take the orders since it's through a microphone.
Or just making people order through their phones and use the drive through as a pick up point.
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in reply to Davriellelouna • • •Holy crap, people have been reposting takes on this interview for like three days and you can track the degradation of the actual content via the game of telephone in the headlines.
It's kinda depressing.
FWIW, having read the original interview everybody is reheating, the 18000 waters was a random example the Taco Bell exec WSJ interviewed used to explain that part of the issue is that people feel less guilty about messing with automated orders than when they're talking to a human. They are also not backing out from automated orders, which is why the headline is using "rethink".
The core of the issue is correct, though, the guy does spend a significant amount of time giving corpolese synonims of "it's a mess". "We've certainly learned a lot" has to be my favourite.
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in reply to MudMan • • •Thanks for posting this take. The topic of AI taking jobs seems to garner a lot of emotional response but not much of a technology discussion.
There were people who were negative about using websites to place orders in the 90s in part because e-commerce killed order processing jobs and the need for phone reps at mail order catalogs.
In this case AI is being used as just another e-commerce UX, so it's really just a continuation of what's happening already.
People used to do things like put 18,000, or -1 and all kinds of other garbage in the fields on website order forms as well. That's just a programmers job to fix with reasonable input validation.
It wouldn't surprise me if drive-thru like Taco Bell started doing license plate recognition and reputation checking. So if you order and dash more than a couple times they might not take your order from outside in that car anymore.
On the upside they might be able to greet you by name and recall your last order:
Hello Mr Smith... Nice to see you today, would you like 10 cheesy gordita crunch tacos and 1 large diet Pepsi again?
MudMan
in reply to nucleative • • •That seems overengineered as hell to me. But then, having an entire LLM to do what much older voice recognition software could do better is overengineered by definition. The LLM won't validate those things because the point of it, if it has one at all in this scenario, is for it to recognize off the cuff speech and malformed orders.
Which is partly why people are finding this idea doesn't work, I suppose. Have a chatbot improvise based on what people are shouting and you get garbage inputs. Have strict requirements for voice commands and you get lots of failed attempts.
Unlike a bunch of other applications of AI chatbots this one maaaay eventually work. But then again, so may your idea. Honestly, if I was going to overengineer the shit out of having a tortilla-wrapped laxative inside a car I'd have you order directly in your phone and use that license plate recognition idea to prevent you having to talk to anybody or anything in the first place.
SaveTheTuaHawk
in reply to nucleative • • •"Would you like some Ozempic or insulin with that?"
Prove_your_argument
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •Why would this cause them to rethink anything?
If someone trolls an order of thousands of something, a worker isn't going to just make that thing. I get that retail workers are treated like shit and are paid shit so have zero shits to give. If someone rolls up to the drive through window asking for their thousands of waters or whatever, the people working there are gonna escalate it to a manager or just tell the guy to go pound sand.
Anybody today can go to any drivethrough and ask for whatever and then simply drive away. I'm certain it happens from time to time, even from legitimate orders when someone discovers they leave their wallet at home. If it was a great problem though these businesses simply wouldn't order drive through service, or would require payment before cooking anything.
theblackpaul
in reply to Prove_your_argument • • •I'm gonna guess you have never worked in fast food.
Window times are the metric they die by. Generally speaking, they start making your order the SECOND you order it, before you ever leave the ordering screen. Yes, even if the order changes mid order. Yes, they make, and throw away lots of food that is not paid for, forgotten, etc ... TONS of food (literally) is thrown away daily.
As for the water order? I would 1000% start making that order. If the higher ups think the AI is working correct, well then who am I to question it? Nobody who works fast food is paid enough to give a shit.
flubba86
in reply to theblackpaul • • •No. This makes no sense. Are you seriously saying if you saw an order for 18,000 waters pop up on your monitor you'd just say "that's fine" then spend the next three days straight filling cups?
If I were the manager of the store, I'd hope my employees would have the bare minimum critical thinking skill to ask someone first.
At the store I worked in, everyone would be given at least 12 hours notice of a catering order. We'd have everything prepped ready to go, and expect the order when it arrives. If one popped up without notice it's definitely a bug, and we're definitely not making it.
aeiou_ckr
in reply to flubba86 • • •RaivoKulli
in reply to theblackpaul • • •What a self-own
JcbAzPx
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •Prove_your_argument
in reply to theblackpaul • • •I worked at a pizza place with a drive through. We sold many items that were non-pizza like wings, subs, salads, burgers, desserts and side items like fries, mozz, etc. My girlfriend's family owned the place, so I was familiar with more than just grunt work and had some inside insight into the business numbers that normal workers do not get.
We would never have fulfilled an 18,000 water cup request.
If someone came by with a catering sized order in the drive through, we would have had them park somewhere and told them a relative estimate of how long it would be. Sure, maybe someone would have started on a couple of things, but we wouldn't be able to fulfill such large orders in the time it took between placing an order and the window. There's only so many workers.
There was obviously plenty of food waste, but that's baked into the cost of the items.
Vandals_handle
in reply to Prove_your_argument • • •Prove_your_argument
in reply to Vandals_handle • • •Yep, we definitely don't have any kind of law prohibiting a business from disposing of food waste en masse.
We do have a ton of liability laws that would punish them from distributing leftover food though, should someone get sick after it is distributed.
Also don't have any kind of thing preventing households from wasting food either. I suspect countless of perfectly fine meals are disposed of every single day, probably enough to feed the country twice over, if not more.
It's a tough problem in a land of excess without near-total elimination of privacy and agency.
IzzyScissor
in reply to Prove_your_argument • • •Prove_your_argument
in reply to IzzyScissor • • •I don't think "fully auto drink machines" like what miso makes are really anywhere today.
Even the fully automatic solutions that do exist have limits to output which require human intervention. There's no drink machine spitting outputs directly to people waiting in cars at drive through windows.
IzzyScissor
in reply to Prove_your_argument • • •VintageGenious
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •like this
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Captain Aggravated
in reply to VintageGenious • • •VintageGenious
in reply to Captain Aggravated • • •MeThisGuy
in reply to VintageGenious • • •there's that regurgitation and feedback loop.
Hanrahan
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •panda_abyss
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •That’s what I want from a drive through. To be surprised or let down.
Dashi
in reply to panda_abyss • • •panda_abyss
in reply to Dashi • • •Depends on the restaurant.
There’s one McDonald’s nearby that’s wrong like 80% of the time, but A&W is right almost always for me.
AlecSadler
in reply to panda_abyss • • •Wait people eat at A&W? Is it any good?
There are multiple around me and I feel like I never see anyone in them and I myself have never been in 40+ years.
I have been to most every other fast food place more times than I can remember.
panda_abyss
in reply to AlecSadler • • •A&W Canada is (they spun off as a fully Canadian owned and operated company).
They have the best lettuce and cheese, and their breakfast beats McD’s. The Hash browns are actually hash browns instead of the thin $2.50 ones the clown sells.
pirat
in reply to panda_abyss • • •Are you rhyming on purpose? Let me just edit that last line a bit to make it work even better:
They have the best lettuce and cheese,
and their breakfast beats McD’s.
The Hash browns are actually hash browns
instead of the thin $2.50 ones sold at the clown's.
panda_abyss
in reply to pirat • • •pirat
in reply to panda_abyss • • •Malfeasant
in reply to AlecSadler • • •highball
in reply to AlecSadler • • •RaivoKulli
in reply to panda_abyss • • •backgroundcow
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •"Dude, Where's my car" turning into prophecy wasn't in my bingo card:
youtu.be/iuDML4ADIvk
- YouTube
youtu.beindynet
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •SaveTheTuaHawk
in reply to indynet • • •thatradomguy
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •katy ✨
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •rozodru
in reply to katy ✨ • • •I mean there's no point to it, it doesn't speed anything up.
For example this morning I had a client meeting (saturdays, ugh) so I went to the train station cause it has a mcdonalds and it opens at 630am. They have 5 kiosks there and one person manning the til. People who were ordering from the til were getting their orders faster than people who used the kiosks. I had to wait 10 minutes just to get a coffee and muffin simply because I used the kiosk.
And it doesn't even make sense. I would have assumed all the orders go through the same system regardless of where it was placed but apparently not. apparently people who don't use the kiosk get priority?
CheeseNoodle
in reply to rozodru • • •JcbAzPx
in reply to rozodru • • •trepX
in reply to rozodru • • •Natanael
in reply to rozodru • • •MystikIncarnate
in reply to katy ✨ • • •I'm actually not angry at McDonald's implementation of their online/kiosk/self serve ordering systems. Not a fan of an AI taking my order tho.
If I'm going through the drive through, just let me talk to a fucking person. They're standing at the window waiting to collect my payment, doing literally nothing else, just let them take the order too. It's eliminating work and adding to the global fuckary that is "AI" for absolutely no benefit to anyone.
Unless they're going to eliminate everyone except the person handing me the food, then fuck off with the AI slop.
10/10 times I would rather order from the app and just pick it up, except their app is shit and won't allow you to use it until you've given them all of your data, signed up for an account, filled out their account recovery questionnaire so they know your mother's maiden name, your dog's name from grade school, your blood type, and probably what kinks you like... Just to order a fucking big Mac?
My dudes. You have over estimated your worth to me as a part of society. If the app was just, "hey, where are you?" Then "cool, this store is nearby" selects store "tell me WTF you want" orders "pay me please" Google pay/Apple pay... "Thanks, your order number is asdf1234! Go fucking get it.... Also, did you want to create an account to collect rewards or some shit?" Selects no "okay, your shit is waiting for you, go pick it up"
Instead it's... "Give us access to all your phone data and precise location" Ugh "do you have an account, you need an account" argh furiously types "thanks for signing up, did you know that we have x, y, and z deals for you? We know you like y because you searched for it earlier this week" no "GPS position is not precise enough, cannot locate a store to shop at, please enable hyper precision GPS so we know within a cunthair where exactly you are" ... Some time later... "GPs location obtained, you have 8 stores 'near' you, most of them are pointless to show you because they're more than twice the distance from you as the closest store, but we're going to put those at the top to confuse you instead" picks location "what did you want to buy?" Finally orders "pay me" tries to use Google/Apple pay "something went wrong, we accept Visa, and MasterCard" puts in Visa branded debit information "something went wrong, we accept Visa and MasterCard only " finds actual visa/Mc enreta info "what's your home address? We 'need' it to authorize the credit card transaction" Ugh "is your billing address the same as you home address?" Yes "what's the expiry, and CVV on the card?" Enters info "thanks! Transaction declined because you put 'st' in your address and you should have used 'Street'. Get fucked" closes app, jumps off bridge
Beesbeesbees
in reply to katy ✨ • • •SaveTheTuaHawk
in reply to katy ✨ • • •moakley
in reply to SaveTheTuaHawk • • •I've never liked most of their food, but you used to be able to get a hot, cheap, and quick meal there. And at least the fries were tasty, and the Coca-Cola was perfect.
In the 80s and 90s, going to McDonald's felt like a guilty pleasure. It felt cheap, but you were in on it so it was ok.
Now it feels cheap at your expense. It's sparse, like they're providing the minimal viable product. The fries are garbage, the Coke is garbage, and the service is garbage.
Tollana1234567
in reply to moakley • • •tim
in reply to katy ✨ • • •iopq
in reply to katy ✨ • • •Jeffool
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •ch00f
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •halcyoncmdr
in reply to ch00f • • •The LLM isn't limited to just what it does. It can interact with other programs.
There are a ton of audio recognition systems available, almost all of them predate this LLM bubble. There's already an API for interacting with the ordering system. So it's just down to having the LLM pull what is then do that corresponding action for the order.
This is so simple it doesn't require anything nearly as complicated as an LLM. The old phone assistants like Siri and Alexa could do this type of thing. It's literally the same as telling Alexa to place an order for something, and that's been an ability for years.
ch00f
in reply to halcyoncmdr • • •Dashi
in reply to ch00f • • •This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
in reply to Dashi • • •What's wrong with an input machine with buttons or touch screen?
Serinus
in reply to This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥 • • •pirat
in reply to Serinus • • •Tollana1234567
in reply to This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥 • • •SaveTheTuaHawk
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •To understand this, you have to understand the CEO cult. They ALL hang off every word from SV tech bros, and the appeal of free labor is hard to ignore when you have to find $100M for executive bonuses.
If automated food service was what people wanted, then automats would have never gone out of business 120 years ago.
astutemural
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •TwigletSparkle
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •The only real way to order via the AI drive-thru:
youtube.com/shorts/sn6vUwqRcWw
- YouTube
youtube.comTollana1234567
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