Brain implants that read minds: a medical miracle raises new ethical questions
Brain implants that read minds: a medical miracle raises new ethical questions
For the first time, researchers have succeeded in translating silent thoughts in real time using a brain implant coupled with artificial intelligence. This technology promises to offer a new form of communication to paralysed people.Pauline ROUQUETTE (FRANCE 24)
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Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
A flotilla carrying humanitarian aid and activists, including Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, is due to leave from Barcelona on Sunday to try to “break the illegal siege of Gaza”, organisers said.
The vessels will set off from the Spanish port city to “open a humanitarian corridor and end the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people”, said the Global Sumud Flotilla.
They did not say how many ships would set sail or the exact time of departure. The flotilla is expected to arrive at the war-ravaged coastal enclave in mid-September.
“This will be the largest solidarity mission in history, with more people and more boats than all previous attempts combined,” Brazilian activist Thiago Ávila told journalists in Barcelona last week.
Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
Unspecified number of vessels due to depart Barcelona on Sunday, with dozens more expected to leave other Mediterranean ports on 4 SeptemberGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
A flotilla carrying humanitarian aid and activists, including Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, is due to leave from Barcelona on Sunday to try to “break the illegal siege of Gaza”, organisers said.
The vessels will set off from the Spanish port city to “open a humanitarian corridor and end the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people”, said the Global Sumud Flotilla.
They did not say how many ships would set sail or the exact time of departure. The flotilla is expected to arrive at the war-ravaged coastal enclave in mid-September.
“This will be the largest solidarity mission in history, with more people and more boats than all previous attempts combined,” Brazilian activist Thiago Ávila told journalists in Barcelona last week.
Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
Unspecified number of vessels due to depart Barcelona on Sunday, with dozens more expected to leave other Mediterranean ports on 4 SeptemberGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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How to set permissions for flatpak vscodium?
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What kind of issues did/do you encounter?
The VS Code/Codium essentially provide a separate development environment within the flatpak container. All the tools there, and the shell are separate from your actual system. There are some ways to work around this (github.com/flathub/com.vscodiu…). I gave up on the Flatpak and installed a native package. Containers are nice, but they have their limitations.
com.vscodium.codium/README.md at master · flathub/com.vscodium.codium
Contribute to flathub/com.vscodium.codium development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
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Let's be honest, if Microsoft failed Linux Phones will fail
It's inevitable....you people are going to have your Android given the iPhone treatment and you are going to LIKE IT! 🫨
Seriously though, alternatives? Grapheneos Mastodon page is a dumpster fire at times. One minute they are as ferocious as lions claiming they will never surrender.....the next they are lamenting that Google won't feed them and they need a new hardware supplier
CalyxOS folded quicker than a wet paper bag at a simple management shift! GrapheneOS and it's days are numbered
So what's the real option going forward?
A phone is a surveillance device.
The networks it is able to connect to have been compromised by attackers using backdoors built into them for the use of law enforcement. The legality of collecting information transmitted across those networks has been enshrined in law. All hardware and software companies which work with phones are targeted for infiltration by multiple foreign and domestic intelligence agencies. Friendly nations exchange intelligence packages and techniques for bypassing phone security with each other as a matter of fact. Foreign intelligence services’ surveillance technology is integrated into local law enforcement.
You cannot privately or securely use a phone.
Adblocking is not privacy or security.
Playing Super Nintendo on your phone is not privacy or security.
No amount of open source software will save you from the global intelligence state who have targeted the linux kernel and various distributions.
You cannot privately or securely use a phone.
This is probably true of most devices, but people can still try to improve their security and privacy. Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good and so on...
It was a certain mod that took issue with it, idt it was really a site wide rule or particularly stringently enforced
Actual site wide stuff gets communicated by carcosa
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Remember, remember, the 4th of December,
The hostile takeover, the corporate scheme.
I know of no reason, the share-selling treason,
Should ever be forgot.
Luigi, Luigi, 'twas his intent,
To bring the boardroom's reign to an end.
With a Nintendo blaster, bright and so blue,
To show all the suits what a plumber can do.
Neural Privacy: EFF interviews Yuste and Genser of the Neurorights Foundation
"How to Fix the Internet" has an important interview with neuroscientist Rafael Yuste and human rights lawyer Jared Genser, who together established the Neurorights Foundation, focused on expanding human rights concepts to neurotechnologies —tools that can record, interpret, and even manipulate brain activity.
They have contributed to getting laws passed nearly unanimously in three states of the USA and also discuss reforms in Brazil and Chile. This is an important issue to understand, and now seems like a short-lived opportunity to get laws passed before wealthy companies become involved in these technologies and start lobbying for their own interests.
eff.org/deeplinks/2025/08/podc…
Podcast Episode: Protecting Privacy in Your Brain
The human brain might be the grandest computer of all, but in this episode, we talk to two experts who confirm that the ability for tech to decipher thoughts, and perhaps even manipulate them, isn't just around the corner – it's already here.Electronic Frontier Foundation
German cabinet passes bill for voluntary military service
The bill foresees certain annual recruitment targets for the new voluntary scheme: rising from 20,000 in 2026 to 38,000 in 2030.If these numbers are not achieved, the government could opt instead to reinstate conscription, subject to parliamentary approval, according to the latest draft of the bill.
Already the current bill contains some mandatory elements, with all young men required to fill an online questionnaire regarding their willingness and abilities for military service after turning 18, to gain a better overview of the potentially available personnel.
Yo yo! Help me choose some better private services!
Yo yo!
I’ve been working on making my life more private and need some assistance picking suitable replacement options. Please let me know what you think of my list of if there are any opportunities for improvement! Here’s where I’m at …
Apple Maps
-OSMandMaps. Seems like a good option, but it’s not ready out the box. I need to do more tweaking with it.
-Magic Earth. Haven’t tested it yet, seems good. But I’m looking for free options first before I dabble with paid stuff.
AI (ChatGPT)
-Lumo. Chat is really good. But I understand they are good because they syphon data illegally, so I’m ok “downgrading” when switching AIs. Lump seems pretty good so far. I can tell it’s not as advanced but it will do me fine for what I need. Also, i assume once I pay for lumo pro it will be more “powerful”.
-Maple AI. Seems dope, also I like the pay model, pay for what you use over “x” amount of inquiries. Does anyone know how I owledgable/powerful it is?
-local AI OR Ollama. These 2 are beyond my knowledge. I don’t understand how I run these on my own server? If you know anything about these please ELI5.
Google Docs
-OnlyOffice. Seems like it does everything I want.
-cryptpad. Just heard of this today, need to explore more. Seems dope, but it doesn’t have an app? From what I’ve seen definitely a strong contender.
Photo App (I haven’t looked into any of these yet)
-Protón Drive.
-ente photos.
-I’mmich.
Google Drive
-protón drive.
Maps: CoMaps all the way. Very nice, polished map app using OpenStreetMap
AI: Just use Ollama. It's dead simple to run it on your local machine. They have docs here: github.com/ollama/ollama/tree/…
Productivity suite: LibreOffice. If you want sync use Nextcloud (needs to be hosted) or syncthing (no hosting necessary).
Photo app: Nextcloud Photos app if you want cloud sync. I take it you use iOS given that you specify Apple Maps, in which case idk what foss photos apps there are on iOS, but Fossify Gallery on Android is good.
Cloud storage: Nextcloud. By definition, cloud storage needs to be hosted, so if you don't have a server, you can use something like Proton Drive or Cryptdrive, or find a public Nextcloud instance that lets you sign up (Disroot has one).
ollama/docs at main · ollama/ollama
Get up and running with OpenAI gpt-oss, DeepSeek-R1, Gemma 3 and other models. - ollama/ollamaGitHub
A Demonstrator’s Guide to Operational Security
A Demonstrator’s Guide to Operational Security
How do police identify and target those who participate in demonstrations? What countermeasures can we take to hinder repression?CrimethInc.
Take all this with a big grain of salt—it’s based on the oddly naïve assumption that the police are trying to catch the actual instigators, and that they need real evidence to get convictions.
In my experience, the objective of the police is to create a particular public narrative, with the least amount of effort or risk to themselves. The narrative (which they present to the media after the fact) is that they acted with restraint, respecting the peoples’ right to assemble, until a handful of agitators turned destructive and the demonstration threatened to escalate into a major riot—at which point they swiftly intervened, caught enough of the agitators to prevent an escalation, and saved (most of) the city’s businesses from destruction.
Now, they do want to intimidate the crowd to keep things from escalating too far, but they also want to allow for some destruction to legitimize their tactics and to support the argument that the police force needs more officers. So they let the actual instigators alone, because they’re useful to their narrative (to a point) and because the police don’t want to engage with the group most prepared to fight back. (What they really want to avoid is a large crowd seeing multiple people physically resisting the police without being immediately subdued.)
Instead, they target:
* Journalists, street medics, and legal observers, to remove the demonstrators’ sense of institutional support and legitimacy;
* Anyone unable to fight back (like the disabled, elderly, and children) for pure shock value and crowd intimidation via low-risk displays of violence;
* Those whose mug shots in the papers the next day will support their narrative—the homeless, minorities, and anyone whose face is vaguely weird or scary; and
* People who dressed in black bloc fashion, but are clearly by themselves, passive, and not part of an organized group.
These last are the only ones they will try to prosecute, and often their black bloc attire plus the testimony of cops who claim they saw them engaged in destructive activity just before grabbing them will be enough to get a conviction. In this case the anonymity of their dress backfires, because the cops can pin the actions of anyone with similar clothing and body type on them by claiming they saw the act first-hand and caught the suspect immediately afterward.
Meanwhile, the real instigators are convinced that they escaped due to the brilliance of their tactics and not because the cops had no interest in catching them.
That said, all this goes out the window when dealing with Trump’s federal agents: they’re working from different narratives that don’t involve protecting businesses, maintaining local support, or respecting anyone’s rights.
"some anarchists disabled 75+ flock cameras in oakland and sf'
Anarchy in the USA.
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Nvidia driver issues...
Well guys! I did it! Linux mint on my desktop! Finally! Everything seemed like it was going swimmingly save for some minor issues. But then I ran into one: I did use stability matrix to make furry porn (very bad furry porn, don't ask) but when I tried to run it, it kept telling me it had issues with python and cuda and other stuff. I wondered if the problem was just python libraries or my nvidia drivers. I did manage to get a workaround, but it simply wouldn't use my GPU... in fact, I think I am having a super hard time seeing if I am even using it properly.
Speaking of drivers I tried to install the latest one, but that caused a problem. I use multiple monitors (because of course I do). Three in fact, but only one ended up working with the other two entirely unrecognized. And I still wasn't able to use my GPU to get stability matrix (or even stability forge without that) and my games still can't run on max graphics settings. I've been looking around for some help on this and trying to work on it all day, with limited success. It is basically the only major thing going wrong with my transition from windows to linux.
Any help here?
Ok. If ever you want to try Bazzite, here's the download link: bazzite.gg/#image-picker
Then choose: Desktop > Nvidia RTX Series > KDE > Traditional Desktop.
Bazzite - The next generation of Linux gaming
Bazzite makes gaming and everyday use smoother and simpler across desktop PCs, handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs.bazzite.gg
Install Nvidia Drivers on Linux Mint [Beginner's Guide]
Struggling with Nvidia and Linux Mint? Here's a detailed beginner's guide that explains plenty of things around installing Nvidia drivers on Linux Mint.Ankush Das (It's FOSS)
We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that
- Hackernews.
:::
Your Phone Already Has Social Credit. We Just Lie About It.
Your credit score is social credit. Your LinkedIn endorsements are social credit. Your Uber passenger rating, Instagram engagement metrics, Amazon reviews, and Airbnb host status are all social credit systems that track you, score you, and reward you…Natalie Pang (The Nexus)
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What are some good shell tweaks?
A short while ago, I saw a blog post from someone about modernizing their shell. Unfortunately, I lost the blog post, but there was some really good stuff in there. Just mentioning this in case someone knows what I'm talking about.
One tweak I remember they mentioned was about fixing programs that have broken formatting. It prevents scenarios like
user@hostname:~$ echo "hi"
hiuser@hostname:-~$
where the output and shell prompt get placed on the same line. I noticed this happens with bash with C programs that don't include a \n in the final printf statement.
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Either nushell or fish shell if you want a modern shell.
But honestly shell usage tends towards vim or emacs workflows.
Software Freedom Day 2025 - New Jersey
cross-posted from: lemmy.sdf.org/post/41246302
We're having an event for Software Freedom Day. It is a world-wide event, and we are having one right here at Montclair State University in New Jersey.September 20th, 2025 from 11am-4pm
We'll have talks about what free software is, and why it's important for everyone. What kind of software is available for your existing computer, and how you can use Free Software to use your computer past the date that the manufacturer wants to keep updating it. There will be a talk on self hosting, so that you can run services that reduce or replace your reliance on outside big tech companies, and keep better control of your data. Talks about Wikipedia and Open Source are proposed. There will also be a talk on Social Networking with free software called "Mastodon and the Fediverse" that will show how you can network with people without giving your data to big tech, and without the algorithms that don't work in your best interest.
Here a link for more information:
softwarefreedom.neocities.org/
We'll be happy to discuss any details.
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I give up 🏳️
I give up.... Privacy is a fool's game and it's a losing one at that. We are slowly entering a world where more and more requirements are made on people to own a regular non-hipster cell phone. There are places you can't even buy parking or look at a restaurant menu without having a proper cell phone.
Maybe the answer is not to flash some obscure on life support operating system on your Google pixel but rather.. maybe the answer is to work within the system and simply adjust privacy controls as allotted?
that's because you are trying an individual solution to a collective problem.
going for the roots of it involves going for the corporations and oligarchs taking control of our electronics, not simply installing a private rom.
Both ends need working on. I think creating and supporting new movements require change, it starts with individuals fighting for more rights on a microscopic level. Shifting to GrapheneOS will accelerate Google to make changes for the good of all of us.
Be wise and patient. I think our older politicians don't accept these concepts, but as our young grow into old then we've got a platform to fight for.
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A great thing to do would be to start delegating community cleaning to students in schools. I believe they do this in Japan. If we start teaching kids to work collectively and take care of common spaces together, we can make a society that does the same.
Like you said, we already all do it in our own homes.
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Announcement of LibreOffice 25.8.1
Announcement of LibreOffice 25.8.1 - The Document Foundation Blog
Berlin, 29 August 2025 – LibreOffice 25.8.1, the first minor release of the free, volunteer-supported office suite for personal productivity in office environments, is now available at https://www.libreoffice.Italo Vignoli (The Document Foundation)
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Syncthing setup that is suitable for a battery powered Linux device
GitHub - Bill-Stewart/SyncthingWindowsSetup: Syncthing Windows Setup
Syncthing Windows Setup. Contribute to Bill-Stewart/SyncthingWindowsSetup development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
What kind of sorcery is this? Why can't I see that comment when I am logged in, despite the fact that I am a mod?
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/36767445
Post.
This is happening even on my alt account(Reddthat).
What the heck is happening?
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What kind of sorcery is this? Why can't I see that comment when I am logged in, despite the fact that I am a mod?
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/36767445
Post.
This is happening even on my alt account(Reddthat).
What the heck is happening?
Safety and space at risk as SUVs reach 30% of car market in English cities, researchers warn
Safety and space at risk as SUVs reach 30% of car market in English cities, researchers warn
Campaigners call for Paris-style parking charges amid fears big vehicles are taking up excessive public spaceHelena Horton (The Guardian)
" conversationalist"?
You're using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.
Russia & China are destroying us, openly, and we haven't done anything about it
- The Israel-Hamas conflict (and a genocide) is a distraction from Russia and Iran (yes, they disregard human lives that much), to avoid people from figuring out their plans, keeping a far-right Israeli government, and distracting from Ukraine. It also allows for Iran (and thus Russia) to test against missile and drone defense systems in Israel (that are the best anyway, therefore anything that passes will shred through any Western nation).
- Climate change isn't ignored; rather, it is done purposely. If farming fails, we will be in starvation, allowing them to take us out/dominate us much more easily. Additionally, there are studies that prove an increased temperature leads to lower productivity, thus proving this hypothesis further — and Russia won't feel as big of an impact there, especially in winter.
- The “AI” hype is being funded by both Russia and China, to lower our critical thinking, also allowing us to be tricked and attacked more easily. Furthermore, it increases the speed of climate change, and takes away even more clean water from us. This allows them to be able to poison our waters much more easily, since only a select few freshwater points will be out there,
Why did PinePhone fail?
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Need some opinions on my next Laptop and Linux Distro
Hi, im searching for a new Laptop and i was tempted to buy the framework 13.. BUT..
Usually i would search for a used or refurbished Laptop to give it a second life u know. And after it broke down in like 4-6 years usually, i would buy a new used one again.
So my first question is: Is the framework 13 really worth my money for the repairability and upgradability in comparison?
My prefered Laptops are the Surface like ones 2in1 with a stand and detachable keyboard...
But im okay with it to switch to a normal laptop Formfactor.
I would prefere 16:9 or 16:10 for multimedia but im used to a 3:2 so it would be kinda okay for me to stick with it.
How good can i implement linux on some surface like laptop?
I switched from win10 to linux Mint on my desktop this year. But i think im going to switch to another distro, because i need the ASHA-protocoll as fast as possible. Maybe not that important on my desktop but definetly on my next Laptop.
Someone switched from surface like laptop to FW13?
Im not a coder. More like a gamer with og cheat codes in gtaSA on a cracked Version of the game, which runs in deamon-tools as an ISO, lol.
Main use would be Multimedia and some gaming, if possible.
Another use would be AI.. but as far as i know linux doesnt support the build in NPU of the FW13 yet. Maybe ai tinker in a few years then?
And im something like a crypto bro i would say. So how good are crypto tools implemented in linux? Some cold wallet support for exampel.
Which distro would serve my needs the most?
Is there a better choice for me than FW13 ?
So all in all im hopelessly lost and cant decide shit ^^
My only hope is to ask some Linux OGs to help me out on dis.
plz halp.
I have the latest Framework 13 and I had a ThinkPad before this. I can recommend either of them. The Framework is one of my favorite computers I’ve had, but it’s not cheap. You will save some money if you ever have to make repairs, but I don’t know how the TCO works out for upgrades. It’s more about empowerment and reducing waste though.
Linux runs fine on both the Framework and the ThinkPad. You can pretty much just take your pick of distros and they should work, although you may want to stick with one of the more up to date distros on Framework because it has new hardware. Fedora, Arch-based, Tumbleweed all work well.
Salesforce sacrifices 4,000 support jobs on the altar of AI
Salesforce sacrifices 4,000 support jobs on the altar of AI
: Benioff boasts bots now handle half of customer chats as doubts over reliability lingerLindsay Clark (The Register)
Introducing ActivityPub.Space
The in-person events at FediCon in Vancouver lit a fire in the Canadian ActivityPub community. One of the louder calls were for a place in the fediverse for ActivityPub discussions; a place for groups to form and for long-running discussions to be had.
I was more than happy to get involved. I also wanted such a place, and I've discussed it on and off for the past year. ActivityPub development discussions are fragmented across multiple disconnected channels, and none of them fully capture the entirety (or a majority, or even a sizeable minority) of the AP developer community. ActivityPub.Space is my answer to that call.
One constant about ActivityPub is that all ActivityPub developers are on the fediverse, and so it only makes sense that discussions about AP development should also take place on the fediverse.
At the same time, the "fediverse" isn't one singular entity. jaz@mastodon.iftas.org famously quipped "There is One Fediverse. There are a Million Fediverses." While I can't make guarantees about this site connecting with a million fediverses, I can say that it does connect with the microblogiverse, the blogiverse (WordPress blogs!), and the Threadiverse (Lemmy/Piefed/MBin/NodeBB/Discourse).
So how does it work?
The site is divided up into several categories:
- General Discussion is for any non-technical discussions about ActivityPub
- Technical Discussion is for technical deep-dives
- Meta contains discussions about this site itself
- Random is for everything else (there's always a "Random" category on a forum, isn't there...?)
We also pull in content direct from Fediverse news outlets such as "Week in Fediverse", "Connected Places", and "Relay, by We Distribute".
On the threadiverse side, we directly link to several other fediverse-focused communities on Lemmy and Piefed.
We utilise a number of relays to both distribute local content out and receive content from the wider microblogiverse. When content comes in via microblogs, they're not usually categorized, so we check for relevant hashtags and automatically categorize them into one of the local categories.
The wonderful thing about this site is that it fully federates, which means you can follow all of these categories from your app of choice. You don't even have to register a local account if you don't want to, but you definitely can (and should!) if you want the best experience browsing the categorized topics.
The categories today are rather broad, but over time I hope to split them up into smaller topics based on user demand. Give the site a try today!
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Here's instructions I wrote up for another NodeBB site with how to follow stuff from Mastodon - discussions.thenexus.today/top…
How to follow and participate in discussions here from your Fediverse and ATmosphere accounts
Another way you can load discussions here into Fediverse is to copy the address bar, but add a post index to the end. For example, /topic/123 might not load,...The Nexus of Discussions
How do I check the wifi connection in Whonix?
Skip the flavour text by going to the bold text
In my sky high arrogance I thought 'I have never let Linux grace my devices, how hard can Qubes/Whonix truly be?' and I learned my lesson within minutes.
So I come here before you, humbly and beaten by 0s and 1s, to ask for your help.
How do I open a window where it neatly lists available connections and, if so, my current connection?
Usually when I am connected, it has a wifi symbol on the top right where the rest of my panels are. It disappeared.
I tried searching on the internet for answers. My mental capacity is basically non-existent, otherwise I wouldn't be here (probably).
Please. I just want to connect my device via wifi. I do not own an ethernet cable.
Thank you.
You title says whonix, but the text mentions QubesOS. Which one? This distinction is very important.
Edit: in QubesOS the networking is handled by the sys-net
qube. If the networking icon does not show up in the tray make sure the sys-net qube is started. If it is, check what programs are available for the sys-net qube in the start menu (hopefully some networking software is available. But I dont have QubesOS in front of me so I cannot check) otherwise try and start a terminal in sys-net and run the command nmtui
Believe me, I wish I could tell you what I've done :') I wanted to get Whonix, but I think the website eventually led me to QubesOS? All I can say is that at startup it shows the Qubes symbol, so it's likely I got that.
When I try to start sys-net it can't start and says that the Qube sys-net has shut down. I'll provide the error message in a moment if I can't get it up with your other suggestion. Thanks!
eta:
Cannot connect to qrexec agent for 120 seconds.
When I want to check the logs, some other qubes cannot start. Bizarre. I even tried creating a qube without the offending qubes (sys-net etc.) yet it still fails.
latenightnoir
in reply to daydrinkingchickadee • • •Sorry to be THAT guy, but... Well, Technically™, this idea has been analysed for, I dare say, centuries at this point.
Edit: and in many (not all, but very, very many) scenarios, it ends up being a profoundly shitty idea.
Not against actual medical use, but unless absolutely needed, it should be a "fuck no." Imho.
Edit 2/unprompted musings: I think we, as a species, are simply too immature for such technologies. We're still at the "age" where the first thing we'll do with it would be to figure out how to best weaponise it.
Because there are ways in which this might actually help if we place some heavy-duty limits and restrictions on the tech itself - I'm thinking about how much it might facilitate comprehension in a scenario where one could transmit the unmolested concept directly, instead of butchering it through language first. But that's still such a hhhhyooooj responsibility, that I simply don't think we could handle as we are now collectively.
ScoffingLizard
in reply to latenightnoir • • •Thorned_Rose
in reply to ScoffingLizard • • •It's not science that's destroying society - its the misuse of science and worse, greed that has a veneer of science or rather, $cience.
It's the usual story of capitalism, oligarchy and big corp ruining everything for everyone but themselves.
ScoffingLizard
in reply to Thorned_Rose • • •latenightnoir
in reply to ScoffingLizard • • •Thing is, technology just... is, neither bad nor good. The principles behind every single technological breakthrough have always existed, we just figure out how they work.
Like a knife, science is a tool. The ones who misuse the tool (i.e. us) are to blame for the damage done, not the tool itself.
cerebralhawks
in reply to daydrinkingchickadee • • •Thoughtcrime issues? You have thoughts about harming someone, you get punished for it even if you don't take action?
I suppose the upshot is it could be used to detect and diagnose mental illnesses?
Furthermore, going into the future, it could ostensibly be used to control parts of the body that are damaged or otherwise not working, or emulate their function. For example, someone with damaged vocal cords could use it to speak through connected speakers. Someone who is paralysed could use it to walk with a mechanical exoskeleton.
The problem with something like that is, it would have to be privacy focused. Samsung, one of the most popular smartphone makers, updated their Health app a year or two ago to where you had to agree to allow them to sell or give away your medical information if you want to continue to use Samsung Health. And that's a Korean company. Apple Health is still private, but Apple is an American company, so the question is begged, "but for how long?".
So, the question is, are the powers that be/fascists in charge going to use it to weed out LGBTQ+ and put them in concentration camps, or what?
iamtherealwalrus
in reply to cerebralhawks • • •Zerush
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in reply to daydrinkingchickadee • • •hansolo
in reply to daydrinkingchickadee • • •Making this a privacy issue is about a decade PR two early.
These devices require a surgical implant and extensive training. There's no "thoughtcrime" potential here. This of for giving paraplegic people, victims of neurological disease, and potentially non-verbal autistic people the ability to speak.
The need to use a "public thought password" is because the AI training and system is not good enough yet to recognize the difference between internal monologue and thoughts directed for others. Likely because people involved in the research have been rendered mute for AI long they don't know the difference anymore either.
Sure, it means both come from the same source and both can be translated. But in some SciFi future world where the cops plonk a thought helmet on you, just do what I do all the time anyway, and think "boobs boobs boobs..." over and over.
daydrinkingchickadee
in reply to hansolo • • •Good on you for looking at the upside I suppose. In my view, the framing of this technology as a "medical miracle" is a very convenient smokescreen.
hansolo
in reply to daydrinkingchickadee • • •It genuinely is a medical miracle, though.
The predictive nature of monitoring your internet and money use is less invasive, easier, cheaper, and overall good enough to build a law enforcement paradigm around it to surveil hundreds of millions of people. Thoughtcrime can be predicated off your searches. Why add extra steps?
daydrinkingchickadee
in reply to hansolo • • •It's in the title, to read minds.
hansolo
in reply to daydrinkingchickadee • • •You're missing the entire point. This is complicated and delicate and expensive to directly read thoughts. This is high end stuff.
Meanwhile, in reality...
Google already knows what you are thinking by tracking everything you do online. Well enough that the debate among advertisers from as far back as 2010 was how to not "spook the customer." A large amount of the "my phone is listening to me!" Is the predictive nature of advertising that tracks everything you do.
There's 15 years of success in this already. Then - THEN 6 months ago Google started using browser fingerprinting to track everything everything everything you do, everywhere you go, everyone you talk to online. EV.AH.RE.th.ha.iiiiiing. Why spend money to get invasive and weird about it when you've got the data you need in high fidelity? Why do anything physical when you get what you need from people's phones?
ScoffingLizard
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in reply to hansolo • • •Not sure how you can believe on one hand that there isn't potential for "thoughtcrime" but also recognize that the technology has a hard time differentiating between internal monologues and thoughts directed for others.
At best it just can't recognize consent but at worst there will be a point where people can filter for internal thoughts. The more fine tuned this gets the easier it will become to abuse.
Granted I agree with you that the prospect of this being a nefarious technology doesn't seem imminent and could also have huge upsides if used in good faith.
hansolo
in reply to upstroke4448 • • •I'm trying to scream from the rooftops that the horse is already out of the barn. We're PAST this point already with existing technology.
Let's say that it's illegal to own a tiger where you live. You spend a month searching online "how to feed a tiger" "what does a tiger eat" "tiger bedding" and shopping for enclosures. Maybe you even buy tiger enclosure panels and bedding and a blinged-out tiger-sized collar. But never actually buy a tiger. Especially in the most sophisticated surveillance states, that gets close enough that you might get arrested. A crime prediction algorithm would put you as high risk for committing a crime, and if local legislation permits it, you might be charged with a crime you haven't actually committed. "Conspiracy to endanger wildlife" even though the conspiracy is between you and Google.
However. you're telling me that I need to be worried about the far-flung future edge case where after going through a surgical procedure, I spend 5 months training an AI tailored to my brain in particular, and then at that point I think "You know, I think I really want to get a tiger" and would be arrested. You're going to die on the hill that it's possible. Sure, maybe one day it will be less invasive and the training on your own brain will take hours instead of months. But for now, we have everything that's needed to do this to a reasonable enough degree that it's shocking to me how complacent people are.
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in reply to upstroke4448 • • •We're agreeing to disagree, and that's ok. I don't think that this will ever get to the point of the scifi plot device you think it will be. It's too invasive and requires too much training to be effective.
So it needs a lot of development and patience and literal brain surgery on willing subjects to test this specific use. Medical uses will follow their own niche, making this a point where clandestine research well have to fork it for their own purpose soon. The overhead is massive here, pardon the pun.
Meanwhile, an effective method for getting close enough already exists and is used to prosecute people.
Where is the incentive to spent the years of research to develop this specialized tool further, tailored for the "precrime" purpose? Especially when it's not just quick and easy, but cheap to do this already? There's no urgency or need to do anything else. This doesn't do anything we can't already do.
Edit: You're suggesting something as invasive as the famously unsuccessful MK Ultra program. Meanwhile, using money and black mail remain widely used ways to manipulate someone. The bar is already set high by low-tech means.
Ooooh, did you listen to the EFF podcast and that's why you're all about this?
marcie (she/her)
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in reply to marcie (she/her) • • •That's expensive and takes work.
Not sure if you've seen a government lately, but something taking work isn't how it works. What's the blunt, immediate, let the lawyers sort it out version? That's what will be done.
Let's consider some post 9/11 style Abu Ghraib Prison scenario where captors try this instead of breaking someone with 24 hour music and waterboarding torture. This gets all your thoughts, right? OK, well all my thoughts at that time would be "F you, F you, you're all liars, I don't believe anything you say, F you, go jump in the ocean and get eaten by sharks, F you, F you..." You have to think the thing they want you to think for this to work. Anyone anticipating that might be what could happen if detained should know how to control their thoughts. Sing the same 3 songs over and over in your head. Repeat lines from your favorite movies. Think in another language. Name things you can see in the room and think through construction methods of the building. It will very, very quickly prove useless against anyone with even moderate willpower. A genuine sociopath would excel at using it to manipulate their jailers. If anything, the tables have turned and they're forced to listen to everything you think - now you're torturing them!
irmadlad
in reply to daydrinkingchickadee • • •I firmly believe, given enough time and technology, and barring we don't destroy our own selves like dumb asses of the highest order that mankind is.....I think we can achieve just about anything we can possibly think of. Which is a beautiful picture if we weren't so short sighted.
I have a brain injury from impact. Tho I am not a paraplegic or in a wheelchair, I have suffered some mental/neural maladies. I am pretty mobile, I read a ton of content off the internet. So, I function with some defficiencies. Imagine for those far worse off than I, like a paraplegic with significant brain/spinal damage. I always think 'I wonder if they have any kind of inner monologue?'
In a general sense, we loose very few of our memories over our lifetime. Yes there are caveats but, a majority still exist, our retrieval system lags. I realize it's a lot more complicated than this simplistic explaination. If we could somehow tap into that lost archived data bank, that would open up a lot litany of issues. Solving crime comes to mind.
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