Major US brands sound alarm over rising anti-American sentiment
Major US Brands Sound Alarm Over Rising Anti-American Sentiment
A number of all-American companies have noted an uptick in anti-U.S. sentiment linked to ongoing trade and political tensions.Hugh Cameron (Newsweek)
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Trump Is Accusing Foes With Multiple Mortgages of Fraud. Records Show 3 of His Cabinet Members Have Them.
Three Trump Cabinet Members Have Multiple Primary-Residence Mortgages
The White House has targeted opponents, including a Fed governor, for having more than one primary residence on their loan papers. ProPublica found that, in one case, a Trump cabinet secretary got two such mortgages in quick succession.ProPublica
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Leak of EU's full 2024 Gaza report piles pressure on Israel
The leak of an internal EU paper from 2024 spelling out Israel's "war crimes" in Gaza will make it harder to claim Tel Aviv merits keeping free trade perks.
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Leak of EU's full 2024 Gaza report piles pressure on Israel
The leak of an internal EU paper from 2024 spelling out Israel's "war crimes" in Gaza will make it harder to claim Tel Aviv merits keeping free trade perks.Andrew Rettman (EUobserver)
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In Germany, debate erupts over national flag and anthem
In Germany, debate erupts over national flag and anthem
35 years after reunification, one of the vice presidents of the Bundestag has proposed changing these two national symbols, which remain contested in the former East Germany.Elsa Conesa (Le Monde)
How the UN can act decisively to end genocide in Gaza
Recent UN General Assemblies have heard many speeches lamenting the UN’s failure to fulfill its most vital purpose, to ensure peace and security for all
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Russia hits seat of Ukraine government in war's biggest air attack
Russia hits seat of Ukraine government in war's biggest air attack
The main building of the Ukrainian government in Kyiv was damaged after an overnight Russian barrage, marking the first time a government building has been hit in the over three-year-long war.Le Monde with AFP (Le Monde)
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Is Oregon Paving the Way for Universal Health Care in the US?
Oregon is on the verge of enacting single-payer health care, but continued organizing is needed to secure victory.
US federal court rules government cannot remove existing protections from Venezuelan and Haitian migrants
The US District Court for the Northern District of California has ruled that the Trump administration must continue to provide legal protection for Venezuelan and Haitian migrants. Over 1 million migrants from the two countries faced deportation under a plan from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
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US federal court rules government cannot remove existing protections from Venezuelan and Haitian migrants
The US District Court for the Northern District of California has ruled that the Trump administration must continue to provide legal protection for Venezuelan and Haitian migrants. Over 1 million mig...Brendan Hickey | Vermont Law & Graduate School, US (- JURIST - News)
Ukraine's governmental building on fire as Russia launches 823 attacks
Russia launched 823 attacks across Ukraine in a massive overnight attack, of which 54 drones and nine missiles hit their targets, while in Kyiv Ukraine’s main government building was reported on fire and at least two people have been killed.
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Rather than try to rescue the hamburger menu, I created a new always-there bottom menu which is only shown on mobile devices.
Please give it a try on crust.piefed.social/ if you're on a mobile when you read this.
Misleading Prices
!misleadingprices@piefed.social
A place to name and shame companies using misleading prices. Eg. Any surprises you get at checkout like discounts only applying if you sign up for a year etc.
v1.2 is coming very soon, please get ready
There's a massive backlog of awesome stuff that really needs to be released so I'll be doing that within the next week or two.
Along with that there have been several small changes to the API, mostly just fields being renamed. wjs018 has been posting to this community about them as he goes, please take a look if you haven't already. We have two swagger docs available, the automatically-updated one that includes all the changes at crust.piefed.social/api/alpha/… and the old one at freamon.github.io/piefed-api/
There is a new endpoint at crust.piefed.social/api/alpha/… which will tell you which version the instance is running on. You can get the same information at crust.piefed.social/api/alpha/… but /version is lighter on the server so please use that where possible.
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Roman Abramovich under investigation in Jersey over corruption and money-laundering claims
Roman Abramovich under investigation in Jersey over corruption and money-laundering claims
Swiss bank account data to be disclosed to island’s chief legal adviser who is looking at source of former Chelsea FC owner’s Sibneft billionsRob Davies (The Guardian)
Can we get an option to mark all crossposts of a post as read?
L'intestino incompreso: non è solo un tubo, è un genio che sente le tue emozioni.
Dopo aver dato voce allo stomaco, è il mio turno. Sono il tuo Intestino Tenue, un vero gigante incompreso che lavora nell'ombra. Sono lungo sette metri e la mia missione è assorbire ogni **vitamina, proteina e nutriente **di cui hai bisogno.
Ma non sono solo un "tubo intelligente". In me risiede il tuo **"secondo cervello", **un sistema nervoso che spesso capisce le tue emozioni meglio di te. E se senti un nodo nello stomaco, le "farfalle" o una strana sensazione di disagio, potrei essere io a inviarti un messaggio.
Vuoi scoprire perché il tuo intestino può essere capriccioso? Vuoi capire perché lo** stress **ti fa gonfiare la pancia e come puoi aiutare questo "secondo cervello" a lavorare meglio? L'articolo completo sul blog ti aspetta per svelare tutti i miei segreti e imparare a trattarmi... come meriti!
Il Mistero dell'Intestino Tenue: Un 'Genio Incompreso' tra Assorbimento, Cervello e Salute!
Intestino Felice Dopo aver dato voce al nostro simpatico Stomaco , oggi proseguiamo il viaggio nel tuo apparato digerente e diamo il microf...Giuliano (Blogger)
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‘I’ve never seen such an extensive film of pollution:’ New oil spill dumps over 10 tons of petroleum in the Black Sea, killing birds and coating Russian beaches
cross-posted from: lemmy.sdf.org/post/41826094
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"Based on current [satellite] images, the area [of the slick] already measures 350 square kilometers. In my entire career, I’ve never seen such an extensive film of pollution on the sea. The film remains quite thick for this type of petroleum product. This means that the slick currently contains at least 10 metric tons of petroleum products. It’s located west of Anapa, with a small chance of some reaching the shore north of Anapa. The slick is moving toward Crimea, but for now it’s passing south of the Kerch Strait." -- Sergei Statichny, remote sensing expert at Russia’s Marine Rescue Service, according to pro-Kremlin agency TASS
‘I’ve never seen such an extensive film of pollution’
New oil spill dumps over 10 tons of petroleum in the Black Sea, killing birds and coating Russian beachesMeduza
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It must be so confusing being a bird. You've got these long gangly aliens building inconceivably large portable and indestructible nests, and travelling insane distances - clearly the work of a superior lifeform.
And then they just dump this toxic stuff all over the place, killing all your friends. At first you must think "well, maybe this is beneficial in the longrun and the deaths were unavoidable".... but when it keeps happening and the effects get worse each time, you really begin to question their motives.
And that's why seagulls stealing food out of people's hands is based.
Russia Hits Key Ukrainian Government Building For First Time Amid Record Drone Barrage In Kyiv
Russia Hits Key Ukrainian Government Building For First Time Amid Record Drone Barrage In Kyiv
Russian drone strikes have struck a key Ukrainian government building for the first time since Moscow’s full-scale invasion began, Kyiv said.RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service (RFE/RL)
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Google AI Mode To Become Default For Google Search Soon
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/37022178
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Logan Kilpatrick, lead product manager for Google DeepMind, Gemini, and all AI products at Google, said Google AI Mode will be the default for Google Search "soon." He said this after Google made google.com/ai go directly to AI Mode's interface on Friday afternoon.
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I use Kagi's AI search for things that are "unGooglable", but you explicitly have to turn that on by adding a question mark to the end of the query. Otherwise, I use its standard search.
It does take a little bit longer to get answers, but there's value in the struggle. I don't want to become a braindead AI repeater.
Google AI Mode To Become Default For Google Search Soon
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Logan Kilpatrick, lead product manager for Google DeepMind, Gemini, and all AI products at Google, said Google AI Mode will be the default for Google Search "soon." He said this after Google made google.com/ai go directly to AI Mode's interface on Friday afternoon.
Google AI Mode To Become Default For Google Search Soon
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Logan Kilpatrick, lead product manager for Google DeepMind, Gemini, and all AI products at Google, said Google AI Mode will be the default for Google Search "soon." He said this after Google made google.com/ai go directly to AI Mode's interface on Friday afternoon.
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Google AI Mode To Become Default For Google Search Soon
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Logan Kilpatrick, lead product manager for Google DeepMind, Gemini, and all AI products at Google, said Google AI Mode will be the default for Google Search "soon." He said this after Google made google.com/ai go directly to AI Mode's interface on Friday afternoon.
Google AI Mode To Become Default For Google Search Soon
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/37022178
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Logan Kilpatrick, lead product manager for Google DeepMind, Gemini, and all AI products at Google, said Google AI Mode will be the default for Google Search "soon." He said this after Google made google.com/ai go directly to AI Mode's interface on Friday afternoon.
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🌸La méditation guidée de 15 à 20 mn sera suivie d'un cercle de parole, pour faire une pause et se reconnecter à soi et aux autres.
Le thème proposé pour le cercle de parole est : "Où j'en suis dans ma pratique de la méditation" Et chacun est libre de s'exprimer sur ce qu'iel souhaite 🌸
📅 Dimanche 14 septembre de 9:00 à 10:00
Pour calculer votre heure locale, cliquez sur ce lien : xrb.link/E74VPL1A93J
➡ Pour participer : il suffit de se connecter sur ce lien : xrb.link/v6oCB4dM le moment venu. Tout le monde est bienvenu·e, quelle que soit sa pratique ! Les arrivées ne seront pas acceptées après les 20 premières minutes.
🧘♀️🧘🏼♂️🧘🏾♀️ Parce que l'activisme est un engagement externe ET une transformation intérieure, c’est dans un esprit de compassion et d’approfondissement de la connaissance de soi que nous prétendons évoluer et communiquer les un‧es avec les autres.
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Knowledge isn’t free. You have to pay attention.
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Israeli Arms Maker Shuts Site After Sustained Anti-Genocide Protests
Israeli arms producer Elbit Systems closed its site in Bristol, UK, after years of protests by Palestine Action, The Guardian reported on 6 September.
Israeli arms manufacturer closes UK facility targeted by Palestine Action
Exclusive: Elbit Systems UK Bristol site was subject of protest days before direct action group was proscribedHaroon Siddique (The Guardian)
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KDE Linux entra in fase alpha
KDE Linux la distribuzione immutabile entra in fase alpha
KDE ha rilasciato la prima alpha della sua distribuzione Linux immutabile: KDE Linux, basata su Arch, con aggiornamenti atomici, supporto Flatpak e SnapFerramosca Roberto (Linux Easy)
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Genocide by remote control: Israel's explosive robots devastate Gaza
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/35532736
Israeli forces deploy explosive robots at 'unprecedented pace', obliterating homes and displacing families
Genocide by remote control: Israel's explosive robots devastate Gaza
Hamza Shabaan woke up mid-air. A massive blast had hurled him off his mattress, leaving him disoriented and shocked.Mohammed al-Hajjar (Middle East Eye)
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Errori UZL 11
Salve,
ho provato a recuperare la password del forum di UZL ma non ricevo niente via email.
Gli aggiornamenti di UZL 11 funzionano eccetto che per il firmware linux dove ottengo l'errore :
W: Errore nello scaricare archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool…
Connessione non riuscita [IP: 91.189.91.81 80]
oppure da terminale:
E: Impossibile recuperare security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/poo… 500 Internal Server Error [IP: 185.125.190.39 80]
‘Unhinged and Anti-American’: Critics Erupt Over Trump‘s AI-Generated Threat
‘Unhinged and Anti-American’: Critics Erupt Over Trump‘s AI-Generated Threat
Donald Trump critics blasted the president's Truth Social post that featured an AI re-imagining of the war movie Apocalypse Now.Jennifer Bowers Bahney (Mediaite)
L’illimitato potenziale artistico del frassino nell’arte intrecciata dei Wabanaki
L'illimitato potenziale artistico del frassino nell'arte intrecciata dei Wabanaki - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Un’arte nobile può accedere ai confini della coscienza collettiva per una serie di ragioni qualche volta distinte: l’idea che tutto nasca da una serie di appropriate circostanze, essendo lo specifico prodotto di un momento storico, una fase culturale…Jacopo (Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri)
How to Blow Up a Planet
For liberal supporters of the “abundance” movement, deregulation is crucial to solving climate and economic crises. Their critics argue something more confrontational is needed.
How to Blow Up a Planet
What happened to the future? When did we lose it, and what has taken its place? Political scientists have found a continual decline in visions of a sharedTrevor Jackson (The New York Review of Books)
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Tracker to Find Fart/Poop Porn
Sensitive content
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Google's AI Ambitions An ‘Existential Crisis’ For News Online
Google's AI Ambitions An ‘Existential Crisis’ For News Online
Critics warn that this shift risks creating “echo chambers” filled with sensationalism and clickbait, at the expense of thorough, investigative journalism.Riley Gutiérrez McDermid (Gizmodo)
How Generative AI Video Works | Computerphile [27:32]
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Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.www.youtube.com
Trump’s Crypto Dealings Now Have the Perfect Cover
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The Trumps have never been known for their subtlety: They like to do things fast, big, and loud. This is especially so in the context of cryptocurrency, a noisy and chaotic industry by nature. Remember our president’s collection of NFTs? Among the depictions on these digital trading cards is a portrait of Donald Trump in an Iron Man–inspired suit, accompanied by the caption “SUPERTRUMP.” Or how about the $TRUMP meme coin and accompanying gamified gala dinner for its biggest investors
The Trump Crypto Empire Is Growing Up
In recent weeks, the family has dressed up its business dealings in the veneer of legitimacy.Will Gottsegen (The Atlantic)
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People who complain that crypto is a "pyramid scheme" or whatever are correct, but they fail to realize that capitalism is a pyramid scheme at best. I mean the biggest stock last year was a fascist surveillance company... And stuff like this is exactly why crypto will continue to succeed under capitalism.
It's a casino economy. Our lives have already been sold for chips. The branding of the chips doesn't actually matter but improved chip technology does. Casinos aren't actually using the same chips from the 1800s but the state is.
'Godfather of AI' says the technology will create massive unemployment and send profits soaring — 'that is the capitalist system'
‘Godfather of AI’ says the technology will create massive unemployment and send profits soaring — ‘that is the capitalist system’
"We are at a point in history where something amazing is happening, and it may be amazingly good, and it may be amazingly bad."Jason Ma (Fortune)
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He's very clearly saying it's the problem with the system by assigning fault:
“What’s actually going to happen is rich people are going to use AI to replace workers,” Hinton said. “It’s going to create massive unemployment and a huge rise in profits. It will make a few people much richer and most people poorer. That’s not AI’s fault, that is the capitalist system.”
ChatGPT Struggles to Answer Whether a "Seehorse" emoji exists.
US Dept of Justice says names of two associates Jeffrey Epstein wired $100k and $250k to should stay secret
DOJ says names of two associates Epstein wired $100k and $250k to should stay secret
Justice Department says the names of two Jeffrey Epstein associates who he wired $100,000 and $250,000 and helped protect from prosecution should stay secret.Tom Winter (NBC News)
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Israel to bring influencers and officials in global PR campaign
As part of the war of awareness against the anti-Israel narrative worldwide, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs led by Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar is promoting an unprecedented move in its scope: By the end of December, approximately 400 delegations are expected to arrive in Israel, including over 5,000 participants who will help spread the Israeli narrative in the international media and to international audiences.
The delegations include a wide range of participants, including government officials and elected officials, journalists and influencers, academics, legal, religious, cultural and sports figures. For comparison, so far, in an average year, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has brought only 25 delegations to Israel.
The decision to "concentrate effort" on delegations, with an investment of approximately 135 million NIS, comes after studies that have shown the effectiveness of the tool in the war of consciousness, bringing public opinion multipliers to Israel, who, after their visit to Israel, spread the Israeli narrative on social media and in the communities in which they are active. A notable example of this was Caitlyn Jenner's visit, who was brought to Israel during Operation Rising Lion and her content from Israel were exposed to millions of people.
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More than 7,000 under-fives in Gaza put in malnutrition recovery in two-week period
More than 7,000 children under the age of five were put on recovery programmes for acute malnutrition at clinics run by Unicef in Gaza in just two weeks last month, figures reveal.
The overall total for August is being compiled by Unicef but is expected to exceed 15,000 new patients, more than seven times the total in February.
A famine was declared in Gaza City, in the north of the devastated territory, last month, but other towns farther south are “fast catching up”, officials from the agency said.
“On the ground, it is crystal clear that people are starving, that there is a famine unfolding in Gaza City, and Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis [two southern cities in Gaza] are not far behind,” said Tess Ingram, a spokesperson with Unicef who has spent recent days in Gaza City.
More than 7,000 under-fives in Gaza put in malnutrition recovery in two-week period
Unicef says it expects total for August to exceed 15,000 new patients, more than seven times February figureJason Burke (The Guardian)
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I dont get the need to compare suffering.
Imo you desecrate both Holacaust victims and the Palestine people in their identity, experience and pain.
Just keep it simple and call Israeli Gvement and especially Netanyahu fucking (genocidal) murderers and Fascist.
Trump threatens 'Apocalypse Now' style action against Chicago to boost deportations
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A goodbye to kbin ...
Like many others, when the reddit APIcalypse happened, I moved to the fediverse. Like many, I wasn't sure what it really consisted of, how it worked, or what instance to move to. Eventually I decided to sign up with kbin.social. Ernest was welcoming, the instance was friendly with a nice mix of topics, the community was great, having access to both threadiverse and microblogs was great, and I loved it.
And then Ernest started having health issues and the instance became unstable. Eventually I moved to fedia/mbin, which I enjoy a lot, but I just haven't quite felt that same sense of belonging - I don't know, maybe the new job just kept me away a bit too much, or I'm getting old, or just been through too many changes. But I've kept kbin on my launch page, and sometimes I find myself a bit wistful for it.
I poked at the internet, and the kbin.social domain expires in a few days, on 10 September, which I suppose will be a formal end to the project. In memory of kbin, I'd like thank Ernest: wherever you are, I hope you are well and enjoying your life. Thank you for the concepts behind and your work on kbin; I love the bridging of the microblogs and threadiverse. And thank you for making the transition to the fediverse less confusing to this old redditor. I wish you the best in life, and thank you again.
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I dunno, for me it's painfully obvious what the correct social media successors are.
Lemmy for reddit.
Friendica for facebook.
Pixelfed for instagram.
Mastodon for twitter.
Matrix for discord.
Peertube for youtube.
Scientists tap 'secret' fresh water under the ocean, raising hopes for a thirsty world
This summer, a first-of-its-kind global research expedition followed up on that surprise. Drilling for fresh water under the salt water off Cape Cod, Expedition 501 extracted thousands of samples from what is now thought to be a massive, hidden aquifer stretching from New Jersey as far north as Maine.
It's just one of many depositories of "secret fresh water" known to exist in shallow salt waters around the world that might some day be tapped to slake the planet's intensifying thirst, said Brandon Dugan, the expedition's co-chief scientist.
"We need to look for every possibility we have to find more water for society," Dugan, a geophysicist and hydrologist at the Colorado School of Mines, told Associated Press journalists who recently spent 12 hours on the drilling platform. The research teams looked in "one of the last places you would probably look for fresh water on Earth."
Scientists tap 'secret' fresh water under the ocean, raising hopes for a thirsty world
Deep in Earth's past, an icy landscape became a seascape as the ice melted and the oceans rose off what is now the northeastern United States. Nearly 50 years ago, a U.S.CALVIN WOODWARD (Phys.org)
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Study: There is less room to store carbon dioxide, driver of climate change, than previously thought
The study, published Wednesday in the journal Nature, found that global carbon storage capacity was 10 times less than previous estimates after ruling out geological formations where the gas could leak, trigger earthquakes or contaminate groundwater, or had other limitations. That means carbon capture and storage would only have the potential to reduce human-caused warming by 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.26 Fahrenheit)—far less than previous estimates of around 5-6 degrees Celsius (9-10.8 degrees Fahrenheit), researchers said.
"Carbon storage is often portrayed as a way out of the climate crisis. Our findings make clear that it is a limited tool" and reaffirms "the extreme importance of reducing emissions as fast and as soon as possible," said lead author Matthew Gidden, a research professor at the University Maryland's Center for Global Sustainability. The study was led by the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis, where Gidden also is a senior researcher in the energy, climate and environment program.
Study: There is less room to store carbon dioxide, driver of climate change, than previously thought
The world has far fewer places to securely store carbon dioxide deep underground than previously thought, steeply lowering its potential to help stem global warming, according to a new study that challenges long-held industry claims about the practic…Tammy Webber (Phys.org)
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US special forces killed N Korean civilians during botched mission: Report
US Navy SEALs killed several North Korean fishermen after encountering them by accident during a botched mission, US news outlet reports.
edit: Happened in 2019. Revealed recently.
US Navy SEALs killed North Korean civilians during botched mission: Report
US special forces killed several North Korean fishermen diving for shellfish after encountering them by accident.Al Jazeera
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South Korean President Escalates After Trump Summit, Vows to Target 'Far-Right' Critics, Including Americans
South Korean President Lee Jae Myung pledged this week to go after "far-right" critics both at home and abroad, following his recent White House summit with President Trump. The move has raised alarm among U.S. officials over potential infringement on free expression and transnational repression tactics.Lee met with Trump on Aug. 25 at the White House to discuss trade, defense, shipbuilding and other strategic issues. But tensions were visible — Lee stayed at a hotel instead of the traditional Blair House, was greeted by lower-level officials, and left without attending a formal state dinner.
South Korean President Escalates After Trump Summit, Vows to Target 'Far-Right' Critics, Including Americans
South Korean President Lee Jae Myung vowed to target "far-right" critics at home and abroad after his White House summit with Donald Trump, raising concerns over transnational repression and U.S.–ROK...Eric Hamilton (HNGN - Headlines & Global News)
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Good.
Honestly, I have a ton of respect for South Korea, especially after seeing how swiftly and decisively they handled their treasonous president.
(please take me, S. K.)
Prison time, fines and ostracisation: anti-gay law shocks community in African country seen as relatively safe
cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/48040109
Jail terms of up to five years for ‘promoting homosexuality’ in Burkina Faso latest in push for ‘family values’ sweeping the continentArchived version: archive.is/newest/theguardian.…
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This is only because the local religion decided that it's going to push it's LGBTQ hate agenda, as it exists in their religious hate book.
Religions are the cause of almost all LGBTQ hate. When they say they're about peace, love, and friendship - that's a LIE!
The US just sanctioned three leading Palestinian human rights NGOs over ICC support
cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/48040102
The US is further complicit in Israel's war crimes by providing political and legal cover for them, & we spoke to Amnesty about the sanctions.Archived version: archive.is/newest/thecanary.co…
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Statement on discourse about ActivityPub and AT Protocol by W3C SocialCG
Over the past few months in particular, the Social Web Community Group has seen an increase in heated discussions online that have been arguing protocol superiority and creating conflict between ActivityPub and AT Protocol, or trying to promote one over the other. These discussions have generally not been productive, created contention within the community that stands in the way of collaboration, and been a hotbed for conflict, disagreements, and misinformation. There has often been significant biases exhibited within these conversations.ActivtyPub in its current usage does make different design decisions to AT Protocol, but ActivityPub is not necessarily that different from AT Protocol: both are open social web protocols.
There is an entire section of the ActivityPub specification that isn't as well known or widely adopted but which, at a high level, provides fairly similar ideas to those emphasized within the AT Protocol community for separation between data, identity and applications. Recently, a taskforce within the Social Web Community Group has been established to advance what is now known as the ActivityPub API.
Whilst we may have our differences at present, over time those gaps will narrow, as we share a lot more in common than we have differences.
There does not have to be a “winning” protocol. We do not build a better open social web for everyone by fighting and arguing about protocol superiority. That is not how we achieve a better open social web. Instead, we must work together, cross-pollinate and share ideas, and participate within each other's communities with respect and mutual understanding. Arguing between us only emboldens those that seek to derail and destroy efforts to build an open social web.
The practice of collaboration outside of our own groups has a long history within the standards community, whether that is with competing companies working together on standards or protocols, or collaboration between different standards bodies like the W3C and IETF.
There has already been cross-pollination of ideas between the people working on ActivityPub and AT Protocol. For example, AT Protocol adopted an internet draft that was originally written to support the ActivityPub ecosystem, and projects within ActivityPub have adopted some ideas on content labeling and starter packs from the AT Protocol ecosystem.
Both ActivityPub and AT Protocol can and do co-exist. This co-existence is perhaps best emphasized by the outstanding work of Bridgy Fed project, which connects ActivityPub, AT Protocol, and other protocols together allowing for interoperability and community that crosses between protocols. If you wanted to summarise this letter on a t-shirt, it would be “People > Protocols > Platforms”.
This statement is a call for cooling the temperature of discussions and a reminder to be respectful of each other and the huge amount of work everyone is putting in to build a better open social web. We do not win by tearing each other down, which only emboldens and empowers those who do not want either protocol to succeed.
This statement was written following an initial discussion at this month's Social Web Community Group meeting, and has been reviewed by several members of the CG.
general/statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md at master · swicg/general
General issue tracker for the group. Contribute to swicg/general development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
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People are arguing because ATProto is not open. And that couldn't be more clear in the simple fact that BSky hosts tens of millions of users, 99.95% of "the ATmosphere". While AP has <1% of the number of users and yet they're strewn across tens of thousands of servers.
We've already seen the implications of such closure in the silencing of users by foreign govts, silencing of users in an entire state, and enforcement of draconian ID laws on millions of users in the EU. Meanwhile AP is largely unaffected.
And BSky is still taking the Silicon Valley approach of "we'll figure out how to make money later", to which the answers are the same as every other social platform. They're not funded by donations, they're funded by investments from investors who expect to see a profit eventually.
ATProto is open. Bluesky is not.
What we currently see is similar to how ActivityPub looked when it was first drawn up as a protocol: when 99% of users were on Mastodon GmbH's server.
The ten thousands of servers came later. And in theory ATProto is defined open enough that it is possible to implement it independently from Bluesky.
ATProto is open. Bluesky is not.
Not a distinction worth making when 99+% are all on the same server.
when 99% of users were on Mastodon GmbH's server
99% of the 12 users? Again, BSky is tens of millions of users. Why is it you think they're all on the same server?
And in theory ATProto is defined open enough that it is possible to implement it independently from Bluesky.
Then why is no one doing it?
The statement has been... uh... updated. The URL now reads:
A statement was originally published here, however, we have since received an objections to its publication citing that proper processes were not followed, and therefore it has been taken down and republished on Emelia's website instead, whilst we seek community group consensus. When Emelia merged the pull request, she had been granted permission to do so by the co-chair of the Social Web CG, and given the number of signatories with various significant contributions to ActivityPub and ActivityStreams, Emelia believed that there was enough agreement to publish.
It was pretty bizarre how it was published in such a way that it seemed to come from w3c socialcg when really it was just Emelia.
Despite being an activitypub dev I have not seen any of the supposed "heated discussions" probably because I don't spend time on Mastodon trying to boost ATProto. It doesn't seem like a widespread problem to me.
It was signed by a number of people, including OG ActivityPub contributors. I guess you'd have to know what goes on in the mailing list.
Looking around here, there's a lot of ignorant hostility. I am always surprised by how tech-illiterate fediverse fans are. People who feel that that's their peer group probably have a hard time ignoring that background toxicity.
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