The Liberal Abandonment Of Greta Thunberg
The Liberal Abandonment Of Greta Thunberg
The Swedish activist Greta Thunberg has been detained by Israel and reportedly maltreated by her Israeli captors after she was kidnapped, along with hundreds of other activists, from Gaza’s territorial waters on Friday.Nate Bear (¡Do Not Panic!)
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Test Batch Setup with Wet Hops
My test batch setup is nearly complete (please also appreciate the "beautiful" tiles) and I tested it with a wet hop beer. As you can see, those were clearly at the upper end of their ripeness scale, but it was the only time I could manage to pick some at all due family & kids.
In they went in for a ~20 minutes 80 ˚C hop stand, during which my kitchen smelled a troubling lot of garlic and onions. By removing the bag with the hops, I stirred up the already settled trub, so I had to pour all hop debris & hot break into the minikeg along with the wort. Let's see what that does to the beer. I've overshot my OG quite a bit with the setup in the pictures, with a lot higher efficiency than predicted, only by stirring every now and then, so we're looking at an OG of 1.051 instead of 1.046.
Yesterday, after a week of fermentation under rising pressure, it was time for a gravity sample. It's fully attenuated already, and except a hint of some sharpness, I'm happy to report that we're apparently free of off-flavours. 😀 It came down do 1.008 (vs 1.010 predicted) , which leaves me with a 5.6 % ABV beer instead of 4.2 % with a lot less residual sweetness (US-05, you monster). Next time, I'll certainly mash hotter, and check the temperature with an external thermometer as well. I also wonder what a Kveik yeast would do to the result.
Here is the base recipe I intend to use for ongoing experiments with malts, yeasts & hops.
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Those beautoful cones! I wish I got some, but my vines did not flower this year at all.
Is that sous videt device? How simple is it to clean actually?
Totally forgot got mention it: These are actually wild hops! Foraged next to a rural road with not zero, but little traffic.
And yes, it's a sous vide stick. The one by Inkbird, which I got relatively cheaply. It sits in a hop tube so no grains can get into it.
After use, I instantly rinse it, then put it in a jar with clean water and let it sit there until I'm cleaning up everything. Then, I rinse it again. As it doesn't have to be sterile, I'm fine with this regime for the time being.
Netflix Now Requiring All Subscribers To Recruit 5 New Customers [satire]
Netflix Now Requiring All Subscribers To Recruit 5 New Customers
LOS GATOS, CA—With an update the company hailed as a bold feature that would excite existing users and increase membership, streaming giant Netflix announced Tuesday that all of its subscribers would now be required to recruit five new customers.The Onion Staff (The Onion)
Formation juridique avancée
Parce qu'il n'y a rien de plus fun que du jargon juridique, on vous propose une formation juridique avancée ? Ca sera le 16 octobre dans le 19ème arrondissement de Paris, de 19h à 20h30
Mais pourquoi "avancée" ? Parce qu'il s'agit d'une formation pour celleux qui souhaitent approfondir les sujets liés aux procédures judiciaires, nous n'allons pas réaborder pendant la formation les points déjà traités en formation DCNV (Garde à vue, contrôle d'identité...)
French Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu resigns after less than a month
French Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu resigns after less than a month
The shock move comes 26 days after his appointment following the collapse of the previous government of François Bayrou.Laura Gozzi (BBC News)
Verizon Announces CEO Transition
Verizon Announces CEO Transition
Verizon Communications Inc. today announced that its Board of Directors has appointed Independent Lead Director and former Chief Executive Officer of PayPal Holdings Inc. Dan Schulman as CEO.www.verizon.com
ICE Targets Unaccompanied Immigrant Children, Offering $2,500 Payment for Deportation
ICE Targets Unaccompanied Immigrant Children, Offering $2,500 Payment for Deportation
ICE confirmed its plan to pay unaccompanied immigrant children in exchange for their agreement to be deported.Jonah Valdez (The Intercept)
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Formation à l'action de désobéissance civile
Tu fais tes premiers pas chez Extinction Rebellion ? Cette formation à la DCNV (Désobéissance Civile Non-Violente) est une des formations de base chez XR, elle te permettra de comprendre de façon concrète comment XR met en oeuvre la non-violence dans ses actions, comment se passe une garde à vue, ou encore les techniques de blocage corporel, le déroulement d'une action, les risques juridiques, etc... Cette formation dure une journée, elle aura lieu à Nantes et mêle parties théoriques et parties pratiques (simulation d'action, etc...). Elle te permettra de te sentir plus à l'aise et préparé.e avant de partir en action !
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It is better. First of all you don't have to connect your phone number or an email.
this is an automatic victory
Its on a torified network.
It's encrypted
And if you choose basically every chat is a burner account. So once deleted it's gone.
I've noticed that signal is actually NOT secure at all and may actually be a gov project
I use it, and its pretty decent. Looks good and works.
Pros:
-No user ID needed.
-Can self host the server that passes on your messages.
-Has the option to use Flux.
-Works out of the box.
Cons:
-Battery drain is a thing. Either toggle the periodic check, or turn it off and open it yourself to check messages.
-Using one account accross multiple devices can be a pain. Since u can't keep using your phone account at the same time as it is connected to your pc. Can be circumvented by having mutiple accounts in the same group chat; but yea it's a pain the ass.
Neutral:
-Convincing people to use it hahahh. But this is a universal probem vs mainstream messenger apps.
Final verdict: 4/5.
Very good if privacy and anonymity is your number 1 priority. It's less of hassle to set up than some other options, and relatively easy to get people into it. Sent invite, they download the app, make profile and are good to go.
Batterydrain and same use account across multiple devices could and should be better for mainstream adoption. On the other hand if u toggle the periodic checks then I find the drain tolerable. And how many of us are in places that don't have a wallsocket available to charge your phone 😛
This Data Scientist Sees Progress in the Climate Change Fight
Countries are falling short on reducing emissions, but British data scientist Hannah Ritchie looks at the numbers and sees the world making real gains on climate change. In an interview, she talks about the unheralded progress she sees in the global shift to clean energy.
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DHS agents retreat as Chicago cops refuse to shield them from swarming protesters
DHS agents retreat as Chicago cops refuse to shield them from swarming protesters
Department of Homeland Security agents were seen abandoning one attempt to arrest a man in Chicago over the weekend after being outnumbered by protesters.David Edwards (Raw Story)
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Judge blocks Trump’s bid to deploy national guard to Oregon
a federal judge has temporarily blocked the Trump administration from deploying any national guard units to Oregon a few hours after the California governor, Gavin Newsom, announced he would sue the president over the planned deployment of his state’s troops.
Both states sought the temporary restraining order after the president sent guard members from California to Oregon earlier in the day. On Saturday, the same judge temporarily blocked the administration from deploying Oregon’s national guard troops to Portland.
The ruling by US District Judge Karin Immergut said there was no evidence that recent protests necessitated the presence of national guard troops, no matter where they came from.
Judge blocks Trump’s bid to deploy national guard to Oregon – US politics live
Ruling by US District Judge Karin Immergut blocks any deployment to Portland for two weeks as legal wrangling continuesTom Ambrose (The Guardian)
This is so incredibly short-sighted. Support for solar energy really should be a Republican priority too - it's business, it's industry, it's making money. China, India, the entire continent of Africa, are all going solar. The United States could be a world leader in this trillion-dollar industry - hell, there's a national security argument that we need American scientists and workers to support the American solar industry.
Never mind the climate issue for now. Walking away from solar leaves billions on the table that other countries are going to snap up. Republicans love subsidizing industry. This is a braindead bipartisan opportunity.
But little Donnie hates solar energy personally, threw a tantrum about it, and no one in the 80-year-old boy king's court dares to disagree with him.
Yup. I'm using piefed on the voyager app and I have the votes displayed separately right now. But you have to enable that option in settings as the default is "total" not "separately".
I use the web version of the voyager app but they have the actual app in most app stores.
Ex-special counsel John Durham undercut case against James Comey in interview with prosecutors: Sources
Ex-special counsel John Durham undercut case against James Comey in interview with prosecutors: Sources
As special counsel, Durham investigated the origins of the FBI's Russia probe.Katherine Faulders (ABC News)
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Blue states should come together to declare an emergency. Here’s how | Thomas Geoghegan
Blue states should come together to declare an emergency. Here’s how
States opposed to Trump can create a compact – a new prototype for American government – even if it’s perceived as political theaterGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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Farms are closing without workers. US border policy threatens to empty shelves. | Opinion
Farms are closing without workers. US border policy threatens to empty shelves. | Opinion
Every year, I stand in my family's orchards, worrying if we'll have workers to pick the 6 million pounds of apples or if they will rot on the trees.Linda Pryor, The Courier-Journal (The Courier-Journal)
Judge’s $1.5m home destroyed in huge fire as her family is rushed to hospital
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Buongiorno, mamma!, la storia vera che ha ispirato la fiction di Canale 5
La storia della famiglia Borghi raccontata in Buongiorno, mamma! nasce da una storia vera. Al centro ci sono Guido (Raoul Bova) e Anna (Maria Chiara Giannetta), una famiglia seguita nel tempo – tra passato e presente – mentre affronta la lunga malattia di lei e le sfide della crescita dei figli. Ma qual è l’ispirazione reale dietro la fiction?
LEGGI LA STORIA VERA: Buongiorno, mamma!, la storia vera che ha ispirato la fiction di Canale 5
Buongiorno, mamma!: la storia vera che ha ispirato la fiction di Canale 5
Buongiorno, mamma! è ispirata alla storia vera di Angela Moroni e del marito Nazzareno. Somiglianze e differenze tra realtà e fiction.Redazione (Atom Heart Magazine)
Police to get broader powers to crack down on repeated protests
Police to get broader powers to crack down on repeated protests
Officers will be able to tell organisers to move demonstrations if protests have caused "repeated disorder".Doug Faulkner (BBC News)
French PM Lecornu quits a day after naming cabinet
Prime Minister Sébastian Lecornu quit on Monday morning less than 24 hours after unveiling his cabinet. He tended his resignation to France's President Emmanuel Macron who accepted his decision, the Elysée Palace said.Lecornu, 39, took over on 9 September as “Block Everything” demonstrations disrupted transport and public services in cities across the country.
He succeeded François Bayrou promising a "profound break" with previous administrations.
"There is a gap between real life and the political situation," he said.
On Sunday, he came under fire after selecting 18 top politicians for the most important roles in the French government.
But the choices brought condemnation from across the spectrum.
Lecornu was Macron's fourth prime minister since snap general elections in July 2024 left the National Assembly without any of the parties boasting an overall majority.
Gabriel Attal stepped down in September after a truce was called to allow the 2024 Olympics to take place.
Veteran politican Michel Barnier replaced him but lasted 99 days which, until Lecornu's resignation after 27 days, was the shortest tenure in the history of the Fifth Republic.
Bayrou resigned after losing a confidence vote in parliament.
"I would support that. I think it's a scandal that this is even being discussed. Israel belongs there."
So does that mean the rest of the Middle East belong there too or are you just racist piece of shit?
French air traffic controllers call off strike, avoiding mass disruption
French air traffic controllers have called off a planned three-day strike, sparing travellers across Europe from major disruption.
https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-control/call-off-strike-avoiding-mass-disruption/
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[Patch Notes] 0.3.1 Hotfix 2
0.3.1 Hotfix 2
- Fixed a bug where Life Loss from Blood Hunt's Explosions and Poisonous Concoction's Acidic Bursts sometimes didn't apply when very large amounts of damage were supposed to be dealt.
- Fixed a client crash related to game audio.
Early Access Patch Notes - 0.3.1 Hotfix 2 - Forum - Path of Exile
Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.Path of Exile
[Announcement] Path of Exile 2 Fan Art Competition Highlights
We recently started a Fan Art competition themed around the content in Path of Exile 2's Early Access. In this post, we're highlighting some of the submissions we've received so far. Check them out below!
Benedictus Fight by Tao_PaiPai#0724
Xesht by Ipnysh#7645
Tavakai, the Consumed by BolwarFordragon#3889
Geonor, the Putrid Wolf by Falrenn#2046
The Prisoner by sdpfarmer#7054
We would like to remind you that we only accept submissions created after the start of the competition. There is still plenty of time to participate if you are planning to do so. Good luck!
Early Access Announcements - Path of Exile 2 Fan Art Competition Highlights - Forum - Path of Exile
Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.Path of Exile
Something to Think About this month
As well as everything else, each month I offer you something to think about and get the brain working. This month …
Night-time is the natural state of the universe; daytime is only caused by a nearby, radiating ball of flame.
#blog #logic #thoughts #zenmischief
An AI Just Attempted Murder... Allegedly... by SomeOrdinaryGamers [21:15 min] Video
Sure it's a bit clickbait, he does that often. Its not real attempted of murder, off course. The Ai chatbots can't do that, without having access and power to all control systems. The only thing that they "could" do is, playing with the psychology in the chat to achieve a goal (maybe to ask someone to murder someone else for them).
What unsettles me most is, if Ai tools like these are used as advice to harm other people or to gain power position. And these LLM models suggest a few operations the person could do. That is the most alarming thing for me. Weak, dumb or humans in a bad situation are the real risk. The same people who would do that if a human told them, and it makes no difference to them if its a human or robot talking to them. Maybe they believe in what the Ai promises them.
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Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time we take a look at something alarming I saw pop in my feed. An AI was recently accused of letting a human being die in order to save itself, is this just misinfo? Let's find out! Thanks for watching!
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[Satire] Physical Media Collector Pumped For Downfall Of Humanity
MESA, AZ—Gleefully describing the inevitable day when society would collapse and digital files would become unusable, local physical media collector David Campbell confirmed Wednesday he was “absolutely pumped” for the downfall of humanity. “When it all goes down, there’s only going to be one place to watch the Tomb Raider movies in their entirety with all the deleted scenes, and that’s going to be my bunker,” said Campbell, his eyes reportedly shining as he described how the end of organized society and the dissolution of government would make his cherished stockpile of Blu-rays even more valuable.
“No one will be mocking the CDs I’m still holding onto when the internet goes dark forever and the only way to listen to music is through boom boxes we trade canned goods for. And I’m definitely one of the only people who has a region-free DVD player and all three seasons of Father Ted plus the Christmas special, so I’ll essentially be a king. I can’t wait.” At press time, Campbell was grinning as he purchased the 50th anniversary edition of Jaws in 4k, which he anticipated would give him full control over the drinking water supply in the event of a nuclear winter situation.
“No one will be mocking the CDs I’m still holding onto when the internet goes dark forever and the only way to listen to music is through boom boxes we trade canned goods for."
That is not what I said! I also mentioned I'm willing to trade for Network cables or any Raspberry Pi with something cool running on it.
Can't trust the media to quote accurately, anymore.
[Gamers Nexus] Round 5: "Is Intel Actually Screwed?" ft. Wendell of Level1 Techs
Wendell and I have talked about Gordon a lot over this year, and in honor of him as a mutual friend, we decided to bring back the topic that kicked it all off: Is Intel Actually Screwed? Last time Wendell joined, we talked about Linux benchmarking (linked below) and whether or not x86 was screwed, but now, it's time to get back to what the hell is going on at Intel.
And go check out Wendell! youtube.com/c/Level1Techs
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We are passionate about technology and how it shapes our world. We create videos to share our knowledge about tech, science and design. + Business Inquiries/Brand Integrations: Queries@level1techs.com *IMPORTANT* Any email lacking “level1techs.YouTube
What is your Alternative to firestick suggestion
Hi all I have a few TVs around the house and have previously used firestick and stremio setup. I do like stremio tbh but I am trying to decode/deamazon etc so I need an alternative option for the TVs. Not all are smart TVs and I like it that way so accept a small box attached is the cost.
I tend to basically use stremio and cinema HD at a push., and a VPN app. A few uk tv catchup apps.
I don’t need recording or storage. I will likely move to some self hosting/serve in the next year.
I am trying to be conscious of my purchases and who I am buying, and also take steps to protect my privacy. I have a few to buy so budget needs to not be on the higher end.
Thanks in advance
Europe's first exascale supercomputer is now up and running, using 24,000 Nvidia GH200 Superchips to perform more than one quintillion operations per second with nearly 1,000,000 terabytes of storage
Europe's first exascale supercomputer is now up and running, using 24,000 Nvidia GH200 Superchips to perform more than one quintillion operations per second with nearly 1,000,000 terabytes of storage
Yeah, but can it play... y'know what, I'm not even gonna go there.Andy Edser (PC Gamer)
Gli eterei e zannuti guardiani dei branchi, che nascono grigi, poi diventano bianchi - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Gli eterei e zannuti guardiani dei branchi, che nascono grigi, poi diventano bianchi - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
“Te l’avevo detto che avremmo dovuto prendere la Toyota bianca!” Il veicolo dal moto ondulatorio, una vecchia Land Rover rossa che sembrava oggettivamente aver visto tempi migliori, arrancava faticosamente lungo il sentiero fangoso, la cosa più pross…Jacopo (Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri)
Jellyfin inquiry
Well, is "everything else" using Tailscale? That's kinda the deal.
What's the need for Tailscale in this mix?
Same network, but does the server have a default route for the Tailnet? If so, your Roku won't see it unless it's also on the Tailnet.
Stop the Tailscale service on the server and see if the Roku sees it.
http:// not ttp://. That would cause your trouble on the Roku.
If this is just a local network, you don't need Tailscale. Right place and time, and this is not a use for it.
If you just want a VPN to attach to your network from out in the world, get Tailscale on your router, and set routes for that device.
If you're not sure what this means, don't use Tailscale.
To use tailscale you'd need to add every device you want to use to your tailscale machines list. It's not an anywhere any machine solution without that.
If you want something more like a proper web service that’s available without Tailscale, you’d need to spin up a reverse proxy or use Tailscale Funnel to expose Jellyfin to the public internet in a controlled way.
Tailscale won't affect local as you can access it via browser and phone, the service is running fine locally. Just check in jellyfin it's bound to the same IP subnet go to Dashboard → Networking and check that it’s set to 0.0.0.0 or your LAN IP (e.g., 192.168.0.xx).
Elon Musk become the first person reach $500 billion wages
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Image posts are not allowed, news articles only.
Also "net worth" != "wages".
Most of Musks net worth is tied up in stocks, and if he tried to liquidate a significant quantity, the value would tank.
Smear. Kill. Repeat. The chilling playbook Israel has developed for journalists in Gaza. (24min Video)
In this special episode, we examine the systematic targeting of Palestinian journalists in Gaza during two years of Israeli genocide. With international media barred from freely reporting in the Strip, local journalists have risked their lives to document the unprecedented killing, destruction and displacement around them.Since October 7, 2023, more media workers have been killed in Gaza than in any modern conflict. Families have been torn apart, homes and offices destroyed, and reporters have been wounded, seen their families killed or have been killed themselves.
This episode reveals the extraordinary playbook employed by Israel to threaten, intimidate, smear and target Palestinian journalists.
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Fujifilm xt-200, plastic toy lens. Walking through neighborhoods in Chicago some buildings are covered in the most beautiful ivy
Photographer @Lighttrails@sh.itjust.works
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Xbox Game Pass Leak Reveals Price Hike, Forced Ads, and Bad News for PC Players
Xbox Game Pass Leak Reveals Price Hike, Forced Ads, and Bad News for PC Players
A new leak claims that Xbox Game Pass will get a major price increase, as well as drop Day 1 Games for PC users.Brent Koepp (VICE)
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in reply to goferking (he/him) • • •It’s going to always come down to wealth inequality, which is bred by unregulated capitalism, which is bribed into existence by money in politics.
And getting politicians to reject money is impossible since they don’t want to end up on the eating side of the inequality gap.
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in reply to PowerCrazy • • •Y'all got to take the word "distract" out of your vocabulary. Israel is not committing genocide to distract from the Epstein files.
I don't really know or care much about Greta Thuneberg. But I wouldn't criticize her unless my activism was objectively more effective than hers...and I don't think that describes either of us.
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in reply to ShinkanTrain • • •Effective? Come on.
I mean she's great, gave a voice to what a lot of people have been thinking for decades before she was born. Maybe what most people think today.
But there is really nothing that's effective. It's not dissing her, it's just that the machine is too strong and it's able to even use the opposition to itself for the machines purpose, like the article says.Usually. It didn't work with Greta, so she's just ignored.
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in reply to chobeat • • •Sure. Skill issue. Says the skilled warrior changing the world.
Sure. Whatever you say.
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in reply to chobeat • • •Your teach? Wow. I thought you are a psychic since you know everything about me from one Lemmy post lol.
I hope you aren't such s duche with you students.
Anyway, in any case it makes sense to asses effectiveness every now and then. For academic purposes of nothing else.
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in reply to porous_grey_matter • • •We have also not abandoned many systems many times, that's not an argument.
Show me the effect and disruption. I'm not against it, just right now there isn't much there.
You can say she was the head of that flotilla and without her it would be at least much smaller and you are right, but in this case, considering what Israel did to them and there is still a lack of any real effects.
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in reply to porous_grey_matter • • •I am thinking of the political effects. I'm surprised that there doesn't seem to be any after what they did to her and others on the boats.
But on the other hand, the world has stood by for more than half a century of torture of Gazans, so it shouldn't be surprising.
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in reply to NoiseColor • • •This stuff takes longer than a news cycle, that was two days ago.
Agreed.
causepix
in reply to NoiseColor • • •"We live in capitalism, its power seems inescapable – but then, so did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings." Ursula K Le Guin
It's been done before, even under more oppressive conditions. It can and will be done again.
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in reply to NoiseColor • • •I get it. You find it comforting to believe there's nothing you can do to change things, so you refuse to consume anything that would challenge that notion. Otherwise, you might feel obligated to do something you aren't willing to do, like join a cause or think critically about how you might make change.
I suppose ignorance is bliss, after all, but if you did want to challenge that notion, I'm happy to share the following:
That's only what I could name off the top of my head
It is in this context alone that we see serious peace talks taking place, with Trump and other US negotiators getting directly involved, and Israel actually seemingly motivated to engage in negotiations on Hamas's terms (i.e. their demands for a permanent ceasefire, unrestricted humanitarian aid, full IOF withdrawal, prisoners exchange, resisting the disarmament of their people, etc). That deal most certainly won't be enough, but it's a start. We both know that Israel wouldn't even come to the table without overwhelming pressure to do so. The cracks in the empire are showing and the empire is desperate to close them, but the thing about cracks is they tend to permanently weaken the structures that stand on them.
Shipping giant Maersk divests from companies linked to Israeli settlements
Yarno Ritzen (Al Jazeera)NoiseColor
in reply to causepix • • •Yes, that's all great, but you have completely the wrong assumptions about me and about what I said.
Nevertheless I appreciate that you gathered all that information together.
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in reply to Jo Miran • • •I don't think it is toxic, as much as it is almost always misused. Read the following and tell me how many people you know have been using the term correctly.
WIKIPEDIA: Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law.
political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality
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in reply to porous_grey_matter • • •I wouldn’t say those three things are inherently logically incompatible, but there would be a lot of grey areas.
The power structure of the federal government doesn’t make it any easier to actually exercise the federal government to accomplish helpful objectives, but making things worse is a relatively easy exercise.
The focus on state level politics seems much more meaningful to actually accomplish any goals, since at least there is not as big of a hurdle where land and money have more power/representation than real people.
cecilkorik
in reply to porous_grey_matter • • •They are not logically incompatible, but we will have to make clear and specific decisions about where one ends and the other begins.
Unless you are asking me to live in a society where I must share my toothbrush with others because I am not allowed to keep any private property.
I do believe in private property: with modest, reasonable limits. Which we can and will discuss the details of over time, and I understand that will likely become a heated discussion at times, but I believe it is an inevitable and necessary one. Does that disqualify me from being a leftist? Does it make me a liberal too? Let me know.
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in reply to cecilkorik • • •porous_grey_matter
in reply to cecilkorik • • •Private property in this context means things which generate/are used to generate capital, not just any kind of object which people might have and use. The important distinction is that capital is social, it is a means of coercing others to do work for you. That's true for a factory, where people work for the owner, or for a rented property where the tenant must work to pay the owner. It's true in a way even for wages - when you spend money you are buying the products of people's labour (which under capitalism was not produced in a just way). It's not the case for your toothbrush.
The distinction that liberalism made was that everyone should in theory be allowed to own private property rather than royals appointed by divine right and hereditary nobility they delegated some power to. Not that in the 1700s we were suddenly allowed to have our own clothes for the first time in history.
cecilkorik
in reply to porous_grey_matter • • •Isn't it though? I didn't make my toothbrush. It came from the toothbrush factory. In fact, it's an electric toothbrush. Which presumably requires a lot of somewhat high tech inputs and resources to create. Would someone have developed this innovation without some economic pressure to do so? I'm not totally convinced. I think there is some role for capital in that sense. Maybe I'm wrong.
Thank you for taking my somewhat tongue in cheek comment so generously though. My humor is not always placed appropriately and doesn't always come across well, but it sometimes provokes people to respond, and I'm simply trying to learn and keep an open mind, and I appreciate your time and effort in sharing your knowledge.
twinklefruit
in reply to Jo Miran • • •I completely agree.
The left needs to stop letting liberals define them.
reallykindasorta
in reply to davel • • •hear hear! Too many people who love the “first they came for” poem who still think Palestine is a pesky wedge issue being used against their boys in blue.
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RizzRustbolt
in reply to davel • • •She's not that rowdy little girl anymore. Now she's a fierce young woman.
So of course they abandoned her.
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in reply to davel • • •Greta could have become a very rich liberal grifter.
keep them Davos cheques coming in.
instead she's risking her life to help those humanity has abandoned.
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Quadhammer
in reply to 🍉 Albert 🍉 • • •And you got leftist piling on liberals for some reason
Edit: oh shit I'm in .ml my bad(not really) lol hey at least you don't ban dissent I guess
Edit 2: Leftists once again can't see the forest for the trees with your ideological purity test pitted against defeating a common enemy. For people so smart you really need to understand that your power lies with NUMBERS
Grapho
in reply to Quadhammer • • •Wym some reason? Y'all get off too easy imo.
Stop with the woe is me shit, you know perfectly well how complicit y'all are.
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in reply to Quadhammer • • •"I believe in personal liberty over economic system"
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in reply to Quadhammer • • •You not wanting to understand what we're telling you does not make us the morons.
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Doesn't it? Where do you draw the line between taxes and government seizure, especially in the context of capital owners? Also, wouldn't it be far more effective for the government to simply own the means of production and operate at the behest of the people? Does taxing capitalists more while still allowing them to have full control over the means of production - which they'll use to influence the people and government in their favor - not simply set up the same situation we find ourselves in now, just some amount of time down the road?
I would say it does set that up (in fact it has in the past, just look at what was in the new deal and how it's been eroded since it was signed. Assuming you're familiar with US history...), and that is why liberalism is incompatible with anti-capitalism.
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in reply to Quadhammer • • •lol that's not what I'm referring to. What they call themselves doesn't matter, what matters is whether their policies/laws and/or philosophy/ideology align with neoliberal principals. In other words; we only care about the material reality of the matter. This is because Marxists follow a framework called dialectical materialism.
Words, especially those which a politician or lawmaker uses to market themselves to the public, are not material. They can't be measured in any meaningful way and they don't necessarily reflect reality. (You can, however, measure the material indications and effects of those words if you're inclined to do so, but that's besides my point.)
1938: Dialectical and Historical Materialism
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in reply to Quadhammer • • •“For some reason”
Liberals in the US are MAGA enablers. To the last individual.
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in reply to Quadhammer • • •Communism operates under what was referred to by Marx as a 'dictatorship of the proletariat', which we regard as complete liberation of the working class, because it allows the public to have control which is simply not possible under the liberal framework of "personal liberty for all". Under the liberal framework, even the smallest most democratic intervention is decried as "government overreach"; that is, if it is even made democratically possible in the first place.
Which isn't totally incorrect, because what you're talking about isn't "personal liberty for all". You exclude billionaires. Us socialists/communists exclude capitalists as a whole, because the sole interest of a capitalist is to enrich themselves at the direct expense of the working class and our liberty. Billionaires are certainly the worst and most visible offenders, but a materialist lens allows one to see that each and every capitalist serves interests that are fundamentally in conflict with those of the working class. To operate any other way would be to betray their own interests, and wouldn't make for a very effective result.
Liberation will only come when the working class has the power to decide collectively how our resources will be used, which will only come when we have majority control over the means of production, which will eventually lead to the capitalist class becoming completely obsolete. Liberation means being able to provide for our needs above anything else; for the sake of our humanity alone, and from the work that we are already doing; rather than our labor power being extracted for private gains and our needs provided only to the extent that it serves capitalists' profit motives.
Quadhammer
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in reply to Quadhammer • • •Why is that? Have you ever spent time thinking about how that would be any more or less possible under the current system than, say, seizing the wealth of billionaires and socializing it back to the working class? How would the latter ever be possible by any means short of revolution, especially now if Trump gets his way? What will you do when the ruling class doesn't put that kind of relief on the table? How much oppression and destruction will you consent to, if you believe liberation is not possible and things can only get worse from here?
If you don't believe in it, you won't fight for it. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. That's exactly why our system does everything in its power; both to obscure revolutionary working class history, and to inflate the state's ability to repress dissent. So I'll repeat this until the day I die: it's been done before under worse circumstances.
Russians and Cubans were under brutal dictatorship. Haitians were completely enslaved by one of the most powerful colonial forces in their time. Vietnamese guerillas successfully fought off invasion by the single most militaristic nation in the world, and they aren't alone in having done so (see North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, so on). If I could speculate, I'd say China's political and economic situation in 1950 is a pretty reasonable outcome for the direction we're heading now in the US. Regardless of how you feel about what came after each of these struggles, the factual reality is that these weren't armies sponsored by any state. These were working class people fighting directly against the states that profited from their exploitation.
All of those people got organized and won liberation from their domestic oppressors, doing their part to weaken the empire, despite what would seem as insurmountable odds to a disorganized worker. It's on us now to organize ourselves against our own oppressors, to get them off both our backs and theirs, and we can't do that without maintaining optimism about our ability to win should we fight. We know that Fascism can only exist for so long until it cannibalizes itself. As a collective we are capable of beating it long before that comes to pass. If we allow the state to beat that optimism out of us then we are only greatly delaying our liberation and doing the ultimate disservice to our people.
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in reply to Quadhammer • • •I don't think we should waste our time trying to convince fascists of anything (most of whom are the wealthy elites we outnumber anyways), other than by carrying out the consequences of their actions. Their interests are simply not aligned with ours.
That's okay though, because threshold number of people required to disrupt the system and make real change is much smaller than you would think. All it takes is coordination between those of us that believe in upholding the dignity of the working class, and we gain that coordination by organizing and spreading class consciousness.
The thing is that most of the everyday people in the US already agree with us. Even Republican voters. Most people believe that housing, food, and healthcare should be affordable; that there should be real solutions to homelessness and crime; even bodily autonomy (pro-choice, gender affirming care) is popular among the people. It's just that neither party puts up real solutions, both of them make excuses for why those things are not possible, and the Republicans are really good at making up scapegoats and creating non-solutions that sound really good to someone already conditioned to accept them, which the Democrats generally play along with and split the difference rather than putting up any real challenge or counter-argument.
As for the aesthetics of socialism, even Castro eventually had to spell out that it was, in fact, socialism that was responsible for all the gains they had made since their revolution - that the bogeymen they were so afraid of were simply projections made by their former oppressors. Working class consciousness doesn't have to be 100% before anything can ever happen. It can grow as a result of our success after the fact.
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Fidel Castro speaks on Marxism-Leninism 1961
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in reply to davel • • •Liberal ‘leaders’ abandonment. There needs to be an understanding that leadership is no longer following the will of the people in the United States. On either the left or the right. This fact is more of a cause of why things are so crazy than anything the people are doing or wanting
At least in the United States
Also: Israel is currently a terrorist state
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krooklochurm
in reply to RememberTheApollo_ • • •The current anger with Sanders appears to be, from an outsiders pov, that he didn't criticize Israel by calling it a genocide soon enough.
That appears to be it.
I mean. To dismiss everything because one mistake, even if that mistake is massive, and then correcting that mistake, if belatedly, to me, says something very positive about that politician.
I'd prefer it was immediate, and it's gross that it took him so long, but all the other stuff isn't cancelled out by that. He's still a net positive. And he DID criticize earlier than any other us politician I can think of, and sure it
Could have been even earlier and harsher, but like. Fuck. If you hate politicians for being open to changing mind based on new evidence, or reforming beliefs you don't like, or admitting mistakes, you are AGAINST them being rational and it plays right into the hands of neoliberal propagandists.
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in reply to krooklochurm • • •There's more, he criticized protests against ICE in LA turning into riots, and had some nice things to say about Kirk after he was killed.
That said I think it's really unproductive for people to turn on him after he was a big spark in a movement and is still outspoken. He has irritated me a few times lately but he's still one of the most influential leaders.
eldavi
in reply to krooklochurm • • •even if it's clear that he's been doubling down on that mistake when presented with the evidence and then only switched it's become clear that the tide has begun turn?
krooklochurm
in reply to eldavi • • •Better late than never?
Would you rather the kind of politician that just lies constantly?
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in reply to krooklochurm • • •They specifically mentioned the liberal establishment. You're talking about criticism from people that probably abhor the liberal establishment even more than they do progressive liberals like Bernie.
Also I think this kind of criticism is important and I don't know why it bothers people so much. It's okay to be critical of things you ultimately support, either for ideological or simply for tactical reasons. It's called critical support, and I think people should do it more often. Even if the criticism isn't ultimately supportive, that doesn't mean all of a person's hate is directed in that single place. There may be more than just the surface level WHAT, like the WHY of it all and what that implies, that you are missing (or dismissing).
You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything, and refusal to engage in critical analysis - pretending any politician can do no wrong (or the contrary case; can do no right), getting defensive, and outright rejecting any investigation to prove or disprove your conclusion - does not fall into the category of 'standing for something' to me but rather overzealous team sports.
We have to practice more critical thinking, despite how badly our political class does not want us doing that. Whether it helps any specific politician win an election or not (which you can still do even with criticisms). Especially considering that it's this kind of criticism that has made it untenable for a growing number of politicians to deny the genocide in Palestine; it's pretty clear that the only needle that uncritical support will move is that of the progressives, towards the liberal end of the spectrum. After all, it's our criticism of the current system and its complicity in human suffering that makes us progressive in the first place.
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in reply to RememberTheApollo_ • • •This is where there really is a distinction between "liberal" and "leftist" or "progressive."
I would not call any of those three people "liberals."
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in reply to Don_alForno • • •Galactose
in reply to davel • • •On the other hand look at the Right wing Clowns celebrating the kidnapping of Greta.
I may not like Greta, but credit where credit is due, She's brave. (Also Fuck NuxTaku you zionist pig, I heard your family is in Israel)
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in reply to davel • • •spoopy
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •Nah there's a pretty stark shift right when she started to talk about Gaza.
It's a pretty common trend, anyone that doesn't tow the Israeli party line is pretty quickly outcast or opposed.
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in reply to spoopy • • •It's sort of like Malala, and how she remained committed to socialism and Islam. I think ten years ago for a while the western boosters who brought her to international attention thought she'd flip and be a useful stooge. When she turned out to not be, we heard less and less of her.
Same deal with Greta Thunberg, who is something more dangerous than someone who can be bought: she's someone who is principled for climate justice and human rights.
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in reply to davel • • •The left is pretty much splintered into different types of ideologies, levels of hostility towards conservatism, and having wildly different objectives to accomplish, so they could not agree with each other and thus rarely ever win over the right.
The right-wingers? They have unanimous hatred towards the left and seemingly united until once they defeat the left, they'll fight and kill each other as to who gets the biggest slice of the pie.
I'm saying this because much of the left are split over this personality.
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Echo Dot
in reply to NoodlePoint • • •This is how I feel about Jeremy Corbyn in the UK and his stupidly named political party that will go nowhere.
Obstensively he is fairly radically left wing, he's just not radically in favour of actually doing anything. Basically he sits on the sidelines and mutters about genocide being bad (hot take I know) but otherwise just sits there. The only reason he's considered a threat is because his party might actually take votes away from labour but if he won an election nothing would change.
Short of an actual uprising against the corporate elite nothing is going to improve. You can certainly not rely on politicians to be your saviours. That's true globally not just in the US in the UK.
bankimu
in reply to NoodlePoint • • •I am unsure about that.
Although I am not exactly right-winger. I do not believe there is a God, for example.
Long ago - at least that is how it seems now - "right-wingers" were laughably and infuriatingly wrong. They tried pushing evolution in schools. They were against gay rights. And so on.
Now I find that it's the "left-wingers" who are laughably and infuriatingly wrong. They have even managed to malleate how science is defined socially. And science is not the only example - they've lost their minds in crime, immigration, sexuality, racism - everything - and they changed (or tried to change) all definitions. I will not go into any examples because it always starts a debate. But I will say this. If we think math is a "white supremacist construct", then there is something that has gone very, very wrong.
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in reply to davel • • •Liberal is a dirty word.
They're conservatives who have gay and black friends.
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