I have this question. I see people, with some frequency, sugar coating the Nvidia GPU marriage with Linux. I get that if you already have a Nvidia GPU or you need CUDA or work with AI and want to use Linux that is possible. Nevertheless, this still a very questionable relationship.
Shouldn’t we be raising awareness about in case one plan to game titles that uses DX12? I mean 15% to 30% performance loss using Nvidia compared to Windows, over 5% to 15% and some times same performance or better using AMD isn't something to be alerting others?
I know we wanna get more people on Linux, and NVIDIA’s getting better, but don’t we need some real talk about this? Or is there some secret plan to scare people away from Linux that I missed?
Am I misinformed? Is there some strong reason to buy a Nvidia GPU if your focus is gaming in Linux?
Edit: I'm adding some links with the issue in question because I see some comments talking about Nvidia to be working flawless:
DirectX 12 games ran through Proton/Wine on Linux perform so much worse compared to Windows. This can’t be just the overhead from the translation as AMD GPUs perform just fine, but I think it’s due to a lack of proper driver optimizations.
I feel like most people who use Nvidia on Linux just got their machine before they were Linux users, with a small subset for ML stuff.
Honestly, I hear ROCm may finally be getting less horrible, is getting wider distro support, and supports more GPUs than it used to, so I really hope AMD will become as livable ML dev platform as it is a desktop GPU.
Absoluletly. All my issues just disappeared, performance went way higher and the smoothness is even very noticeable on the desktop. On top of that there are things like Steam Game Mode that only work on AMD because of their FOSS driver.
NVIDIA has finally learned the lesson but they are a few years behind of AMD, it will take time for their FOSS driver to mature.
The 7900XTX has 24 gigabytes of video memory vs. the 3080 Ti's 12. That's a big difference...
Here's a couple Linux benchmarks by phoronix (don't take this as literal game performance, rather as relative performance between different cards): phoronix.com/review/rx7900xt-r….
So while the unfortunate lack of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40 series access and Radeon RX 6900 series hardware, it's mostly a matter of showing how far the Radeon RX 7900 series has come over prior generations for today's cross-GPU results.
Yep, that'd be me. That said if I were to buy a new GPU today (well, tomorrow, waiting on Valve announcement for its next HMD) I might still get an NVIDIA because even though I'm convinced 99% of LLM/GenAI is pure hype, if 1% might be useful, might be built ethically and might run on my hardware, I'd be annoyed if it wouldn't because ROCm is just a tech demo but is too far performance wise. That'd say the percentage is so ridiculously low I'd probably pick the card which treats the open ecosystem best.
I use local ai for speech/object recognition from my video security system and control over my HomeAssistant and media services. These services are isolated from the Internet for security reasons, that wouldn’t be possible if they required OpenAI to function.
ChatGPT and Sora are just tech toys, but neural networks and machine learning are incredibly useful components. You would be well served by staying current on the technology as it develops.
From what I've heard, ROCm may be finally getting out of its infancy; at the very least, I think by the time we get something useful, local, and ethical, it will be pretty well-developed.
Honestly, though, I'm in the same boat as you and actively try to avoid most AI stuff on my laptop. The only "AI" thing I use is I occasionally do an image upscale. I find it kind of useless on photos, but it's sometimes helpful when doing vector traces on bitmap graphics with flat colors; Inkscape's results aren't always good with lower resolution images, so putting that specific kind of graphic through "cartoon mode" upscales sometimes improves results dramatically for me.
Of course, I don't have GPU ML acceleration, so it just runs on the CPU; it's a bit slow, but still less than 10 minutes.
ROCm works just fine on consumer cards for inferencing and is competetive or superior in $/Token/s and beats NVIDIA power consumption. ROCm 7.0 seems to be giving >2x uplift on consumer cards over 6.9, so that's lovely. Haven't tried 7 myself yet, waiting for the dust to settle, but I have no issues with image gen, text gen, image tagging, video scanning etc using containers and distroboxes on Bazzite with a 7800XT.
Bleeding edge and research tends to be CUDA, but mainstream use cases are getting ported reasonably quickly. TLDR unless you're training or researching (unlikely on consumer cards) AMD is fine and performant, plus you get stable linux and great gaming.
I completely upgraded my desktop like a month before I decided to make the switch. If I planned ahead just a bit more I would've gone with an AMD card for sure. This 4090 is still new enough that I can probably trade it in, but that's such a pain in the ass.
I fall into this category. Went Nvidia back in 16 when I built my gaming rig expecting that I would be using windows for awhile as gaming on Linux at that point wasn't the greatest still, ended up deciding to try out a 5700xt (yea piss poor decision i know) a few years later because I wanted to future proof if I decided to swap to linux. The 5700XT had the worst reliability I've ever seen in a graphics card driver wise, and eventually got so sick of it that I ended up going back to Nvidia with a 4070. Since then my life opened up more so I had the time to swap to Linux on my gaming rig, and here we are.
Technically I guess I could still put the 5700XT back in, and it would probably work better than being in my media server since Nvidia seems to have better isolation support in virtualized environments but, I haven't bothered doing so, mostly because getting the current card to work on my rig was a pain, and I don't feel like taking apart two machines to play hardware musical chairs.
AMD will have superior support and better power management out of the box hands down.
Nvidia may have a minor performance improvement in some areas depending on the card, but not in a way you would care if you aren't obsessed with the technical specifics of the graphics on AAA games.
I've been on Linux as a dev and daily driver for 20 years, and Nvidia drivers are just problematic unless you know exactly how to fix them when there are issues. That's an Nvidia problem, not a Linux problem. Cuda on AMD is also a thing if you want to go that route.
I’m glad you mentioned knowing how to fix them. My server has hosted Nvidia GPUs for 15 odd years now, working great, and has remained stable through updates by some miracle.
Getting it set up was a nightmare back then though, do not recommend for the faint of heart.
I’d say in general, the advantages of Nvidia cards are fairly niche even on windows. Like, multi frame generation (fake frames) and upscaling are kind of questionable in terms of value add most of the time, and most people probably aren’t going to be doing any ML stuff on their computer.
AMD in general offers better performance for the money, and that’s doubly so with Nvidia’s lackluster Linux support. AMD has put the work in to get their hardware running well on Linux, both in terms of work from their own team and being collaborative with the open source community.
I can see why some people would choose Nvidia cards, but I think, even on windows, a lot of people who buy them probably would have been better off with AMD. And outside of some fringe edge cases, there is no good reason to choose them when building or buying a computer you intend to mainly run Linux on.
That's not quite true. AMD cards just get clocked higher from the factory. So when a 9070xt beats a 5070 by an average of 17%, you can easily cap the power limit to match the performance. That's with more VRAM which of course increases the power requirements
The prices don't quite match up, though since it's between the 5070 and the ti (although in the US it's often more expensive for some reason)
The problem is that AMD is selling the chips to OEMs for a price that's too high to enable to sell at MSRP while giving a discount for small batches of MSRP models. It becomes a lottery where the quickest people can get $600 models refreshing ever rarer restocks.
One of the reasons is... tariffs, but I'm not sure how Nvidia got the prices down on its models
While measuring power efficiency is not an easy task, I doubt that AMD is better. Here is an older article tomshardware.com/news/geforce-… But you are right, things seem changing gamersnexus.net/gpus/incredibl… Hopefully AMD improves on efficiency in future.
GPUs Incredibly Efficient: AMD RX 9070 GPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 9070 XT, RTX 5070 March 7, 2025 Last Updated: 2025-03-07 We analyze the RX 9070’s specs, gaming performance, ray tracing benchmarks, power efficiency, and more The Highlights The RX 9…
The 9070xt is a very fine exception for efficiency really. I was able to cap mine at 230watt with a minor underclock and it barely lost 5% perf compared to stock.
Even base models were clocked way too high, probably to help it ensure vfm victory over NVIDIA midrange in the market when reviewers were looking at it.
Even though I hate Nvidia, they have a couple of advantages: * CUDA * Productivity * Their cards retain higher resale values
So if you need this card for productivity and not only gaming, Nvidia is probably better, if you buy second hand or strictly for gaming, AMD is better.
It depends on the type of productivity TBH. Like, sure some productivity use cases need CUDA, but a lot of productivity use cases are just using the cards as graphics cards. The places where you need CUDA are real, but not ubiquitous.
And “this is my personal computer I play games on, but also the computer I do work on, and that work needs CUDA specifically” is very much an edge case.
As far as I am aware they are also better at video encoding and if you want to use Blender or similar software, yes, it is niche, but a credible consideration. As always, it really depends on the use case.
Blender can be CUDA accelerated which does give Nvidia an edge over AMD. In terms of video encoding, both nvidia and AMD cards are AV1 capable, so they are on par for video encoding; unless a program does not support AV1, then the proprietary nvidia video encoders are better.
NVIDIA had driver issues, incompatibility with gamescope (which was required for HDR) and a few instances of bugs, in WINE/proton, that caused performance problems in specific games/configurations.
Now, the driver issues for the mainline cards (the most common ones on Steam’s hardware survey) are about the same frequency as AMD hardware and we use Wayland’s native HDR, so gamescope isn’t a concern.
I’ve been using NVIDIA on Linux for 2 years now and I have never seen anything like a 30% performance reduction on any game, and I can also run local AI with acceleration.
As long as you’re using current hardware then you’re fine. If your graphics card was released 2 days ago, or is from the ‘00s then you may experience issues but otherwise NVIDIA cards work just fine.
I have freezes on the latest Nvidia drivers as recently as yesterday on wine. Also Wayland wine is not ready, doesn't even full screen properly
Osu! linux version is ten times slower than wine using the same graphics back end. Yes, I get over 1000 fps on wine and only 100 natively. It would be fine if it didn't get choppy and drop lower during the busiest part of the game.
Just because it works for you doesn't mean it doesn't have issues
Conversely, just because it doesn’t work for you that doesn’t mean that there are issues. I use Wayland Wine for everything, it works fine for me and even eliminates hitching caused by XWayland.
If you’re using a graphics card driver that’s newer than the version of wine then you could have problems, but this is true if you’re using AMD, NVIDIA or Intel.
Comparing osu native vs wine has nothing to do with NVIDIA or AMD hardware.
No, if there are issues, there are issues. The logic only works one way:
If one person doesn't have issues doesn't mean some people don't have issues. But if even one person has issues it necessarily means some people have issues
DirectX 12 games ran through Proton/Wine on Linux perform so much worse compared to Windows. This can’t be just the overhead from the translation as AMD GPUs perform just fine, but I think it’s due to a lack of proper driver optimizations.
There isn’t a global 30% performance loss. There are specific games/configurations that have performance issues and bugs, but it isn’t all games.
For example, there is a current bug, if you’re using some features in VKD3D(like ray tracing) which NVIDIA has identified and is creating a fix. The problem isn’t Linux specific, if you use VKD3D on Windows it also has this problem.
The second Reddit link is a user confusing a Baldur’s Gate 3 bug, where vulkan was implemented in a buggy way, with a performance problem.
There are always bugs and performance issues that appear and get fixed, that’s the nature of Linux. The social media meme “NVIDIA sucks on Linux” is based on old issues when NVIDIA cards had bugs that broadly affected games and other software to the point where it required a lot of effort (like patching your own software using git).
This is not the case now, NVIDIA works without major issues. The strongest reason to use NVIDIA over AMD would be if you used CUDA to run local AI. AMD doesn’t work with CUDA and the projects that fix this are in the alpha stages.
Gaming-wise, unless you play video games by staring at MangoHUD and comparing your historical frame-time graphs across multiple OSs, it works just fine.
There isn’t a global 30% performance loss. There are specific games/configurations that have performance issues and bugs, but it isn’t all games.
That was not what I said. I don't recall saying that there is a global 30% performance loss. I'm sorry if I gave margin for that interpretation.
There are always bugs and performance issues that appear and get fixed, that’s the nature of Linux.
This one in particular seem to be taking some time for Nvidia to fix.
This is not the case now, NVIDIA works without major issues.
I don't think I was implying that it doesn't work. My point is that for certain games that relies on certain technologies the Nvidia drivers are not optimized to reach Windows level or even AMD level on Linux for equivalents cards. It may worth reviewing the Nvidia forum link that I posted first.
I still give the benefit of the doubt that I may be missing something and need to learn better something although I'm not following your reasoning completely.
Finally, I just want to also point that I don't have strings attached to any GPU maker. I wish we had more options but it sounds that if we want something reasonable with good open source driver support for many different types of combinations of games, hardware and technology, AMD seems our only choice in Linux given this incidental bad performance present on DX12 combined with Nvidia GPUs on Linux.
I think the answer is if you are shooting for the high-end. AMD is better cost / performance but NVIDIA is still unchallenged for absolute performance if budget is not a consideration.
I have a 6900xt and it has output for 4k 120 and I never had issues with it on multiple distros. Lately Bazzite has been behaving as expected so I don't know where this information is coming from besides the argument that HDMI is closed source as opposed to DisplayPort.
hdmi 2.0 doesn't have the bandwidth for 4k120, displayport and hdmi 2.1 do. amd drivers don't have hdmi 2.1 driver, because the hdmi forum didn't allow amd to use it in their open source linux driver. you still get 4k120 with dp and even on hdmi if you use limited colorspace
I use AMD, where ever it is possible. Simply because they support Linux. There's really no other reason needed. I don't care about CUDA or anything else, that is vaguely not relevant. I'd rather drive a medium car, that gives me freedom, than a high end car, that ties me down.
I only play older games, opensource games (like Pioneer Space Sim, Luanti), and emulate PS2 mostly (could do PS3/4 you bet) so AMD is fine for my use case and works out of the box. I know Nvidia Linux support has improved which means the latest graphics cards also pretty much work out of the box too. But by principle, I support AMD for the work they put into working on Linux.
I'd go with Linux, no matter what, but this seem exactly why I feel that we should be more clear. People may be building some PCs out there to use Linux for gaming and buying Nvidia because others keep saying that everything is smooth sails with Nvidia. A lot of it is working now but there are some downsides and the recommendation is to go with AMD if you can.
I am probably an anomaly here but I had a really bad experience with linux on an amd card. The card would not output at all whenever there was something linux related going on I could not fix the issue and it did not matter which distro I tried. Windows worked totally fine, the bios worked fine. I switched to my backup nvidia card and all of a sudden linux was working a treat.
NVIDIA definitely dominates for specialized workloads. Look at these Blender rendering benchmarks and notice AMD doesn’t appear until page 3. Wish there were an alternative to NVIDIA Optix that were as fast for path tracing, but there unfortunately is not. Buy an AMD card if you’re just gaming, but you’re unfortunately stuck with NVIDIA if you want to do path traced rendering cost effectively:
Two pretty massive facts for anybody trying to answer this question:
Since driver version 555, explicit sync has been supported. This makes a massive difference to the experience on Wayland. Most of the problems people report are for drivers earlier than this (eg. black screens and flicker).
Since driver version 580, NVIDIA uses Open Source modules to interact with the kernel. These are not Open Source drivers. They are the proprietary drivers from NVIDIA that should now “just work” across kernel upgrades (like AMD has forever). This solves perhaps the biggest hassle of dealing with NVIDIA on Linux.
Whether you get to enjoy these significant improvements depends on how long it takes stuff to make it to your distribution. If you are on Arch, you have this stuff today. If you are on Debian, you are still waiting (even on Debian 13).
This is not an endorsement of either distro. They are simply examples of the two extremes regarding how current the software versions are in those distros. Most other distros fall somewhere in the middle.
All this stuff will make it to all Linux users eventually. They are solved problems. Just not solved for everyone.
DirectX 12 games ran through Proton/Wine on Linux perform so much worse compared to Windows. This can’t be just the overhead from the translation as AMD GPUs perform just fine, but I think it’s due to a lack of proper driver optimizations.
~~If you want to use Linux, please choose AMD. I helped install CachyOS on my sister's RTX 5080 system and its horrible. 40% performance loss. She's going back to Windows.~~
I guess this is because the 5080 drivers are still fresh? I used to play on an 1650S and although the Wayland enviroment was the worst shit I had ever have experienced, gaming in general in X11 was normal.
"The United States will deploy up to 200 troops to Israel to establish a task force to support stabilization efforts in Gaza, but no Americans are expected to be deployed into the Palestinian enclave, U.S. officials said on Thursday.
The U.S. military's Central Command will stand up the task force, known as the Civil-Military Coordination Center, or CMCC, one of the officials said.
The CMCC's job will be to facilitate the flow of assistance into Gaza, including security assistance and humanitarian aid, officials said.'"
Heard from Sabby Sabs commentary:
Timestamps: 1. 10:54.000 - 39:49.000 Trump Deploys Troops to Gaza
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The skies above Moganshan General Airport in east China's Zhejiang Province buzzed this week as multi-rotor drones darted and dived, balloons popped mid-air, and crowds roared.
The Palestinian liberation struggle is a fundamental class and anti-colonial issue. First-time guest to the podcast, Professor Omar Zahzah, talks with Steve about the active collaboration of Silicon Valley tech giants with the US and Israeli governments to censor and suppress anti-Zionist narratives.
“What these companies are doing is digitally amplifying a physical process of settler colonial dispossession.”
Omar goes beyond labeling digital censorship as simple political bias. He argues that Silicon Valley’s actions are a direct extension of imperialist goals in Palestine: the erasure of a people, their narrative, and their history. Big Tech is not a referee – not even a biased one. It is an active combatant.
Omar provides a sharp critique of how the language of safety and anti-racism is co-opted and weaponized. Online platforms use terms like “harassment” and “hate speech” to silence criticism.
In their discussion, Omar and Steve apply Antonio Gramsci’s theory of cultural hegemony to the digital sphere. They analyze how Big Tech platforms shape our “common sense,” not just through outright censorship, but through algorithmic curation, shadow-banning, and overwhelming activists with trolls and bots, waging a “digital war of attrition” that drains energy and shifts perceptions. They also suggest the potential TikTok ban is not just a US-China trade issue but a symptom of a crisis of hegemony.
Omar Zahzah is a writer, poet, organizer of Lebanese Palestinian descent, and Assistant Professor of Arab and Muslim Ethnicities and Diasporas (AMED) Studies at San Francisco State University. Omar has covered digital repression in relation to Palestine as a freelance journalist since May 2021, with work appearing in such outlets as Al Jazeera, Middle East Eye, Electronic Intifada, Mondoweiss, CounterPunch, and more. Omar holds a PhD in Comparative Literature from UCLA.
Professor Omar Zahzah talks about his recently published book, Terms of Servitude: Zionism, Silicon Valley, and Digital Settler Colonialism in the Palestinian Liberation Struggle
I'm a casual anime fan, my main references being Ghibli, Full Metal Alchemist, Cowboy Bepop etc, in general, I like good art and good scenario. So I want to follow discussions about this type of anime.
However, I am very uncomfortable at the countless anime that sexualize minors (and minor looking supposedly adults) or over sexualized women.
Is there a community for this interest? I am too much of a casual to animate such community myself.
NSPM-7 is fundamentally a law enforcement directive, and it dispenses with the complications of using the active duty military or the National Guard in pursuit of political violence. It directs the Department of Justice to focus the FBI’s approximately 200 Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs) to the new mission. The FBI network of task forces comprises over 4,000 members—including FBI personnel and task force officers (or TFOs) from more than 500 state and local agencies and 50 federal agencies, including special agents, police officers, intelligence analysts and surveillance technicians. First established in New York City in 1980 to systematize FBI and NYPD cooperation, today there are task forces around the country, including at least one in each of the FBI’s 55 field offices.
“The Attorney General shall issue specific guidance that ensures domestic terrorism priorities include politically motivated terrorist acts such as organized doxing campaigns, swatting, rioting, looting, trespass, assault, destruction of property, threats of violence, and civil disorder,” NSPM-7 says.
Coinciding with the Disk System's release, Nintendo installed several "Disk Writer" kiosks in various toy and electronic stores across the country. These kiosks allowed customers to bring in their disk games and have a new game rewritten onto them for a ¥500 fee; blank disks could also be purchased for ¥2000. Nintendo then decided to make an early form of online gaming; In 1987, they introduced special high-score tournaments for specific Disk System games, where players could submit their scores directly to Nintendo via "Disk Fax" machines found in retail stores. Winners would receive exclusive prizes, including Famicom-branded stationery sets and a gold-colored Punch-Out!! cartridge. Nintendo of America announced plans to release the Disk System for the Famicom's international counterpart, the Nintendo Entertainment System, and began filing patents simultaneously. However, by the time these were approved in November 1988, Nintendo cancelled their plans to release the system stateside.
Rep. Josh Schriver, the bill’s sponsor, says the law is designed to target only producers and distributors of pornography, not everyday internet users.
What are the chances that this gets passed? It should be a vote from the people, but they know we don't want it. But if they pass it there and no one riots, they'll pass it everywhere.
This is something no one should allow. VPNs are the backbone of security in businesses. Not just work from home. We would be wide open to cyber attacks, with no defenses.
Whoever this lawmaker is, I hate their fuckin guts.
The article suggests that if VPNs are banned, businesses will have to find other ways to secure their connections and that would be expensive. But it's not even clear that anything could do that job without, by that very fact, counting as a VPN according to this bill and/or others like it. Effectively, they're proposing an end to all securely tunnelled connections across the internet, and that would just make the internet useless for a lot of things businesses (and the rest of us) need to do.
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Ramez Al-Naouq, a child living in Gaza, was born with a severe congenital deformity in his upper and lower eyelids, which prevent him from closing his eyes even while he is sleeping.
His eyes constantly bleed, become ulcerated and inflamed, and put him at risk of permanent blindness.
Before the Israeli occupation’s genocide on the Gaza Strip, Al-Naouq received ointments and eye drops to keep his eyes moisturised and reduce the inflammation. But his treatment has now completely stopped because of the ongoing blockade and severe shortage of medicines. As a result his condition has dramatically worsened.
Although Ramez urgently needs complex operations to repair his eyelids and protect his vision, doctors in Gaza are not able to carry out the necessary surgeries, because of a lack of medical resources.
Rateb
Rateb is a child amputee in Gaza. He has been trying hard to make a plastic limb for himself, so he can play with other children. He lost his leg after the Israeli occupation forces bombed a car a few months ago.
There are hundreds of children like Rateb in Gaza, who have lost upper or lower limbs, and are left permanently disabled because of injuries sustained during this genocide. These become infected and, because poor nutrition slows healing and antibiotics are intentionally being prevented from entering the Strip, sepsis sets in, leaving no other option but amputation.
Child amputees have a lifetime of disability and a very uncertain future ahead of them. Gaza has the highest number of child amputees per capita anywhere in the world, with 10 children, every single day for the past two years losing one or both of their legs.
Hanna
Hanaa Al-Awdi, was a Palestinian child who developed brain cancer during the ongoing genocide in Gaza, and also suffered from brain atrophy which had already taken away her sight and hearing. The Israeli occupation’s complete blockade of the besieged Gaza Strip meant there was a delay in her travel for treatment abroad, so her condition became significantly worse. This left her body unable to withstand the disease, and although she was eventually able to travel to Italy for treatment, she recently passed away in an Italian hospital with stage four brain cancer, which had spread throughout her body.
These children mentioned here are not unique in Gaza. There are thousands who are suffering and left to die, slowly and painfully, without anyone hearing about them. The Israeli regime has intentionally bombed hospitals to bring about the collapse of Gaza’s health care system, while the ongoing intentional blockade prevents the entry of everything necessary for the survival of the Palestinian population, including medicine and fuel. Dozens of children have also experienced severe deterioration in their health, or have already lost their lives, because of delays in medical evacuation by the Israeli occupation authorities.
Chicago, IL – On October 8, 7000 Chicagoans mobilized in the Loop to demand an end to the occupation of the city by ICE and the National Guard.
The thousands of people coming out on a Wednesday evening shows that the momentum of the resistance against Trump’s occupation is not slowing down. Chicago is in the center of this country’s fight back against Trump’s reactionary agenda, alongside LA and DC.
“We must build the largest united front against the invasion of our city and state. We need to escalate our defense and go on the offensive! To block the movement of the National Guard and shut down ICE operations,” opened Husam Marajda of the United States Palestinian Community Network (USPCN). He urged people to join the movement and get involved with an organization.
“What we are seeing is an administration that is sending troops in to scare us into silence. To punish dissent. And we will not allow that here in the city of Chicago,” said Jessie Fuentes, the progressive Puerto Rican alderperson of the 26th ward of Chicago. On October 3, Fuentes was violently arrested by racist ICE agents after she had confronted them over planned kidnappings of people in the Humboldt Park Hospital. Fuentes stood in solidarity with protesters and has promised to continue fighting for immigrants in the City Council.
Frank Chapman, executive director of the National Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression, spoke last at the rally. He challenged the crowd, stating, “We have to stop these ICE agents.” The ICE occupation has killed Silverio Villegas-Gonzalez. This past weekend, Marimar Martinez, a U.S. citizen, was shot by federal agents, but survived. Chapman addressed these acts, saying, “We have to use every means necessary to stop those who come here to kill us; who come here to occupy.”
Chapman finished with, “We had a peaceful demonstration, but when we’re violently attacked, we have the right to defend ourselves!”
Protesters marched down Michigan Avenue, making it clear that Chicagoans are not licking boots, and they are ready to take down Trump and his long repressive agenda.
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The Coalition Against the Trump Agenda (CATA) is a coalition of over 80 organizations building a united front against the reactionary Trump administration. The Trump administration is coming after all sectors of the people’s movements. It’s the coalition’s goal to unite these movements in action against the reactionary Trump agenda.
Looks like someone's built a Reddit-like on top of ATProto. Would be really interesting to see whether it could interact with the threadiverse through something like BridgyFed, which currently only works with microblogs (I think?)
Opportunity 🙂 and already looking into it. They currently don't support non-Bsky PDSs, so once that's working I'll give the service a try and see where interop can take place.
In a nutshell, it's because you don't have to build the entire kit and kaboodle all at once.
Lots of BlueSky is centralized so you don't have to worry about distribution, user, hosting, scaling, etc. and just focus on the frontend.
It's the same reason why all the Lemmy and Mastodon apps look way better than the web versions, because all those other parts are no longer relevant and the creator(s) can focus on just putting out a polished product.
That site looks like it's closed source. FOSS projects tend to not be well designed in the frontend except the occasional gem. Not sure why it's such a pattern, considering this project isn't making much money and it's made by a single dev.
I think the most interesting opportunity here is that ATProto's strength is that it was built for a "credible exit", i.e, it allows users to migrate from any centralized network to a decentralized one.
IOW, it would be a lot easier to implement Fediverser on top of ATProto than of ActivityPub.
Federation is not the natural unit of organization, that's a hill I'm ready to die on. The problem is that most people get hung up on the idea of instances because they've only experienced the two extremes of siloed networks and the "Dark Forest" of blockchain.
On the topic of 'hills to die on', I will say I have gained a significant respect for you over the last 2 years, for sticking to your principles on this and following through on them.
We might disagree on the best way to do things. I'd witnesed you in the past receiving a lot of pushback (to put it lightly) for a well-intentioned but controversially implemented project (the whole Reddit mirroring and account claiming thing you tried). If I had been in your shoes at the time, I would probably have quit Lemmy and the Fediverse entirely for something else in order to try to pursue that vision. Yet, you've stayed with it, with the aim to refine your ideas on how to better bring decentralized social media to the general public. So kudos to you for your resoluteness on this.
I agree with everything. The thing is, I've been thinking about the psychology behind this lately.
When Fedi-Fans complain about Bluesky, it is usually based on the misunderstanding that it also is instance based. It really doesn't seem to occur to many that things might be done differently. But I think it may go a little deeper.
A common complaint is that it's too expensive to run a full relay. People want to self-host it all. They want to feel that they are in control and don't need anyone. It's not particularly rational but people do lots of silly things chasing that feeling. The rational start would be to move somewhere remote and grow your own food. Instead, people buy a pick-up truck or degoogle their phone.
That architecture also appeals to a more tribal mindset. An instance is "our" place. We just pull up the drawbridge when bad people come and we are safe here in "our" castle.
I think to some people that is more appealing than the more open design of atproto.
On Bluesky, there is all this waffle about some people trying to get someone banned. They might find such tribal architecture more appealing.
It's a mess, I find it ridiculous that my account and all of its data is tied to a fediverse instance (which is most often operated by a single person that could decide to shut it down at any time) and other people are ok with this
yeah, how about we start with their fucking nukes? where are the comparable UN sanctions that the DPRK and IRI suffer under for isntreal's NPT violation?
Does it really boggle the mind that Israels handler and primary sponsor will bend over backwards to recontextualize the issue into a palatable, hypocritical, perversion of itself just to "increase" support among the (already entirely supportive) near centre voting populous. They do the same to every other event, surely it's not mind boggling if the context leads you to expect it.
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Io, in fondo in fondo un minimo scherzavo, pazziavo, sulla storia per cui sono tremendamente distrutta oltre ogni limite dalle cose susseguentesi… un minimo, perché comunque la storia di base è assolutamente vera… eppure, oggi mi rendo conto che non ero per niente pronta per il momento in cui tutto questo sarebbe diventato reale per […]
giornata cacata per fattori multiuniversali (analisi delle mie ultime paturnie, applicate a oggi ma non solo)
Io, in fondo in fondo un minimo scherzavo, pazziavo, sulla storia per cui sono tremendamente distrutta oltre ogni limite dalle cose susseguentesi… un minimo, perché comunque la storia di base è assolutamente vera… eppure, oggi mi rendo conto che non ero per niente pronta per il momento in cui tutto questo sarebbe diventato reale per davvero, al di là dei miei sottili ma ampi e ben impilati strati di ironia… Ed esattamente come le mie lagne sono un combinarsi di cose per formare il racconto di esperienze assolutamente non invidiabili, questo mio progressivo sfaldamento è da imputare a fin troppi fattori combinati, quindi non c’è una singola particolare cosa che se cambiata risolvererebbe tutto. (No, neanche il dormire 13 ore in un giorno… anche se spero di comunque riuscire a fare proprio questa fine sabato!) 🐭
1, il sempre presente: Il freddo. Ormai lo sto dicendo ad nauseam, ma veramente… mi distrugge tipo da dentro, mi consuma e mi rende una persona più vuota, a fatica permettendomi di finire la giornata!!! Ed è un ciclo continuo e subdolo, seppur con un po’ di variazione da un giorno all’altro, per via di come sono strutturati i miei orari… Esco di casa e, se è mattina presto, tengo freddo (beh, in realtà anche solo a stare in casa a quell’ora fa il freddo, ma quando mai non è stato così in case di letteralmente il secolo scorso… e vaffanculo alla società di 50 anni fa che ignorava totalmente il concetto di efficienza energetica). Bisogna aspettare a più tardi, all’orario comodo di sveglia che io preferisco ma non sempre posso permettermi, per non piangere… e poi sorprendentemente si sta bene, anche fuori; addirittura oggi, non essendoci quel vento bruttissimo di giorni fa, fuori si stava proprio bene, c’era un gustoso tepore… ma anche un’escursione termica da spavento tra l’ombra e il sole, al punto che non ironicamente dovevo prepararmi mentalmente per entrare in un edificio, essendoci il portico. E poi, la sera… giuro, dal momento in cui il sole tramonta, da che sto bene inizio a fottutamente tremare; ma non fuori alla strada eh, dico proprio dentro casa (si torni al punto delle case di merda.)… NON ce la faccio!!! 🥀
Le mattine di giovedì e venerdì, specialmente, sono particolarmente traumatiche, comunque. Questo perché l’aula di merda in cui in quelle mattine ho lezione — che è merda per lo stesso motivo della casa, e infatti mi risulta sia stata costruita circa nello stesso periodo (non so come, visto che l’edificio ha la seconda numerazione più recente, ma così ci disse il prof molto vecchio l’anno scorso, ed è l’unica fonte disponibile, seppur credo una per niente affidabile… quindi non si può fare altro che credergli) — dove, a differenza delle altre aule, i climatizzatori attualmente mi risultano spenti, e l’edificio fa schifo e proprio lo percepisco come se fosse posseduto ed emettesse freddo verso dentro… ma forse sarà solo il vento gelido da fuori che entra pure con tutto chiuso, forse perché essendo per metà finestre sarà fisicamente per metà spifferi. Poi, ovviamente, non aiuta che il professore della seconda materia abbia aperto metà delle imposte per “far cambiare aria“… poi qualche decina di minuti dopo qualcuno ha chiuso almeno quelle che stavano direttamente dietro di me, però intanto il vento è entrato prepotente a rompere ancora di più l’anima; in qualche modo demoniaco e fisicamente incomprensibile riuscendo a soffiarmi pure all’altezza delle caviglie!!! 😭
Tra l’altro, stamattina mi sono pure svegliata con una gola atrocemente secca, non so perché. Durante la giornata poi mi è salito a tutti gli effetti proprio il mal di gola, con ogni tanto pure il coff coff… solo nella sera mi è sembrato un po’ meglio, ma sento comunque la gola fatta di carta vetrata fine (oh, poteva essere molto peggio… a granula grossa…). E durante il pranzo mi è venuto pure il raffreddore, o comunque qualunque cosa porti a far uscire il muco dal naso, e che palle veramente… già in primavera devo stare con questi porca puttana di fazzoletti per l’allergia; se ora a inizio ottobre già riesce fuori la merdata del muco divento una bestia. 🤧
E ok, un (1) fattore quantomeno l’ho decodificato per bene, ma non ci posso fare granché; se mi vestissi invernale già ora, sarebbero problemi. Il resto rimane poco chiaro, invece… Mi distrugge così tanto andare 5 giorni su 7 in culandia a semplicemente sentire sciroccati yappare? Perché stress vero e proprio non ne ho… o almeno, non ho motivi per pensare di starne subendo un’accumulazione; non ho esami di mezzo, sto prendendo tutto per i cazzi miei, alla fine la verità è che comunque ‘sto nel chill. Quindi, 2 e oltre: ancora boh, per ora. 😑
L’unica cosa buona della giornata, almeno, è che ho detto vaffanculo e sono andata al ristorante a pranzare (anche perché oggi in giro a quell’ora non ho intravisto nessuna persona che non mi detesta, quindi sarei stata piantata lì per niente), dunque a pranzo ho certamente goduto, e non indifferentemente… ma l’ho fatto perché già con soli 2 giorni di fila a mangiare solo pane e acqua fino a quando non arriva la cena, che è ben 7-8 ore dopo, finisco a casa che un altro po’ cado per terra — non subito, a dire il vero, ma appena cala il sole e arriva il freddo di cui sopra si — 3 volte una dietro l’altra mi sa mi sa che sono proprio un suicidio, manco fossi detenuta in un campo di lavoro forzato di uno qualsiasi dei tanti famosi paesi poco democratici esistenti nel nostro mondo… quindi bene spendere dei soldini per sopravvivere. 😇
Comunque, anche in questo c’è una cosa bizzarra: bono e saziante il pranzo, con primo e secondo, e ho speso appena 15 euro in totale, quindi non posso proprio lamentarmi…ma comunque dopo un po’ mi è salito quell'”aaaaa” di stanchezza di mezza giornata… no, non è abbiocco post-pranzo, perché quello in genere non mi viene, almeno non quando pranzo per bene. Ho fatto tutto con estrema calma, godendomi i momenti della goduria, quindi ho passato più di 1 ora al ristorante, muovendo i piedini con pazienza nell’andare e tornare, e prendendo il caffè al bar dell’università (e non alle macchinette, stavolta, vaffanculo agli stronzi ladri criminali!!!) pur di perdere altro tempo… però alla fine dei conti mi sono trovata comunque con mezz’ora bucata e nulla di particolarmente infognante da fare sul PC nel restante spicchio di pomeriggio, quindi mi è salito comunque quel sentimento di vuoto di stomaco misto a vuoto dell’anima… 😬
Inspiegabile, tutto ciò, davvero. Almeno, ora che sono a casina (cioè, da ore, come l’altra volta, poi ho avuto altro da fare), comunque la differenza con il fatto che ho pranzato veramente si vede, perché non mi sento sul punto di morte… evviva!? E in realtà, tra scrivere questo stesso post e finirne altri per il blog della stufa, ho smesso di sentirmi cacata come a prima… Aspe… miiinchia… ma vuoi vedere che, sotto sotto, il professore con l’accento siciliano ha ragione, e l’aria dell’università è realmente viziata (in tutte le aule, non solo quella di stamattina) e peggiora magicamente l’umore???Si vede che sarebbe probabilmente il caso di abbatterli proprio, ‘sti palazzi schifosi, e fare direttamente lezione all’aperto, a questo punto, basta. 👻 …Comunque, questo fatto è sempre più vero!!! #giornate #paturnie #pensieri #problemi
A Rutgers University professor who taught a course on anti-fascism was blocked from leaving the US for Spain on Wednesday night, according to media reports, hours after Donald Trump hosted a White House roundtable highlighting the impact of antifa – or “anti-fascist” – far-left activists.
Mark Bray, an historian who published the 2017 book Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, and has taught courses on anti-fascism at the New Jersey university, was attempting to board a plane at Newark airport bound for Europe when he was informed at the boarding gate that the reservations for him and his family had been cancelled.
‘Someone’ cancelled my family’s flight out of the country at the last second,” Bray posted on Bluesky social media. “We got our boarding passes. We checked our bags. Went through security. Then at our gate our reservation ‘disappeared.’”
For those unaware, Google is continuously enacting policies that are closing down the open environment of Android, and I fear this will significantly harm projects like GrapheneOS, CalyxOS, and others.
If you can spare a couple dollars, please consider throwing some money at PostmarketOS or any other mobile Linux project you like.
are you aware of any articles/documentation that can make a noob aware of how these projects compare to each other?
i'm going to eos on a nothing phone in the near future, but that's only because i can find step-by-step documentation with exact hardware and eos version on how to do so thanks to Lemmy.
yup it is very active. u can follow the account here: @postmarketOS
as for why the devices seem old: it takes a lot of work trying to get the old android kernel working with the mainline kernel. its much harder than lineageos as we dont reuse the old android kernel and a lot of work needs to be done on both the kernel and userspace
basically one person is doing an entire engineering departments work
if ud like the newest phone, u can get a fairphone 5
Agreed, just not the statement I was responding to, which I took as Signal - the company - getting on board with Linux mobile. But maybe I misinterpreted.
The Signal lead has been vocally against doing a fully fledged version for Linux for a while now. He really likes his closed ecosystems. "for security"
Desktop Linux is soooo insecure because users can access their own data.
The Linux app is just the desktop app, which doesn't have the functionality that the Android and iOS apps do. It only works when paired with an Android or iOS device, so you'd still be shackled to those ecosystems without proper support for a mobile Linux app.
Most of the chips in a smartphone are made by Qualcomm, both processors and peripheral chips like 5G modem, LTE modem, WiFi, and Bluetooth. Qualcomm chips require proprietary binary blobs to function, and usually only have a support lifetime of about 2 years. They also only supply those blobs to the manufacturer of the device.
Qualcomm being what they are is the reason Apple was able to provide a better lifespan for their phones for like a decade (you'd get 5-6 years of iOS major version upgrades compared to 0-2 on Android phones).
Google actually pushed the Android ecosystem to do better by creating its' own Tensor SoCs which they support for longer... But they don't really make the drivers for those open source either. So we're still not doing better in that regard.
rooting for the guys although I don't want none of them things. I run my device without a modem on (hopefully I disabled it correctly) and I want it to run like my other shit runs - I turn it on when I want it, no doing shit in the background nobody asked it to, syncing to the clown, none of that.
the results are awesome - I get like days of standby out of a severely degraded battery that can't manage a whole day under android. still, I understand that other people need this stuff. for me, SMS and calls utilizing the utterly broken, insecure, and definitely compromised telecom infra shouldn't be a thing in 2025.
Will there ever be an app ecosystem for Linux phones. I don't see how could happen. I'm talking actual apps like banking or payment systems. Institutional software such as government apps that requires a stable platform. Not a janky Linux system that is prone to breakage every few updates or scatter across different distros. Seems like the year of the linux desktop meme could end up morphing into the year of the linux phone.
Why can't we just use banking websites? You don't need an app ecosystem for that. They just need to build a responsive website that will work on a computer or phone. If you have bank to bank transfer (like e-transfer in Canada) that can be done from the mobile website as well.
Payment like NFC payment is a different story. I suspect its unlikely we ever see that.
Exactly. And as I said in another comment, you can make a wrapper for it if their website is not the most mobile-friendly. Any browser can handle everything beneath the skin.
Banks sometimes need a 2FA app, this is what some people need "banking apps" for. The bank website itself is trivial to just use, but you need to be able to log in. In sweden, much of society, from fetching a post package to booking an appointment with a doctor or getting a bus ticket, relies on this 2FA app. You can barely function in society without this app.
It's unfortunate that sweden decided to lock 2FA behind proprietary smartphone apps.
For every country its going to be a different story. I think instead of trying to build an app ecosystem for things like bank apps on linux it would be easier for citizens of those countries to convince the government / banks to allow other 2FA methods like OTPs that can work on any a device using an OTP client. That would honestly benefit more people as whole since they wouldn't be lock down to just Android/Apple or even owning a smartphone. They could do all their important government/finance stuff just with a computer.
Well, they all have standard web interfaces, and so many apps are merely wrappers for it or a rebuilt front-end. On a Linux device one would presume you’ll have a standard web browser so all you need really is a wrapper for the website and the browser engine handles all security. Is there any reason not to just go that route?
Obviously AI generated images and videos are already being used in politics, generally as far as I've seen by right wingers.
A thought I had would be to flip the table and generate AI videos of Trump attacking right wingers for being too far right, too racist, not supporting trans or LGBT+ rights, etc, in ways that are guised as old school conservative values. Like the "The govt shouldn't be interfering in a private citizen's healthcare choices" type stuff.
His supports seem the type already to believe AI videos are real, so do you think stuff like that would work or just circle in left wing groups and never take off among his worshipers? If they did spread, would they even be effective in triggering his base to push back towards the center?
Immigration authorities are detaining hundreds of children for longer than the 20 days allowed by a federal judge, a Scripps News investigation has learned.
Scripps News obtained a document filed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement under a federal court order that shows more than 600 juveniles held in ICE custody at some point in July.
The children are being arrested and detained with their families while going through lengthy deportation proceedings. Many of the juveniles end up at the South Texas Family Residential Center, a sprawling site located in Dilley, Texas, that reopened in March.
The detention center is owned and operated by CoreCivic, a for-profit company contracting with ICE to hold immigrants.
Arriva un’esclusiva ufficiale di Deadline sul nuovo film A24 firmato dal regista Aidan Zamiri e dalla popstar Charli XCX: si intitola The Moment e promette di essere uno dei progetti più discussi del 2026.
Nel cast spiccano Kylie Jenner, Rachel Sennott (Bottoms) e Kate Berlant, accanto a Alexander Skarsgård, Rosanna Arquette, Jamie Demetriou, Arielle Dombasle, Hailey Benton Gates, Trew Mullen, Mel Ottenberg, Isaac Powell, Rish Shah, Tish Weinstock, Michael Workéyè, Shygirl e A.G. Cook.
Jamie Dimon, who is the chair and chief executive of the giant Wall Street bank JPMorgan Chase, said he was “far more worried than others” about a serious market correction, which he predicted could come in the next six months to two years.
“I would give it a higher probability than I think is probably priced in the market and by others,” he told the BBC. “So if the market’s pricing in 10%, I would say it is more like 30%.”
Dimon added there were a “lot of things out there” creating an atmosphere of uncertainty, pointing to risks including the geopolitical environment, fiscal spending and the remilitarisation of the world.
“All these things cause a lot of issues that we don’t know how to answer,” he said. “So I say the level of uncertainty should be higher in most people’s minds than what I would call normal.”
The comments are the latest in a string of warnings that stock markets may be due a correction.
A Rutgers University professor who taught a course on anti-fascism was blocked from leaving the US for Spain on Wednesday night, according to media reports, hours after Donald Trump hosted a White House roundtable highlighting the impact of antifa – or “anti-fascist” – far-left activists.
Mark Bray, an historian who published the 2017 book Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, and has taught courses on anti-fascism at the New Jersey university, was attempting to board a plane at Newark airport bound for Europe when he was informed at the boarding gate that the reservations for him and his family had been cancelled.
The professor had said he was moving to Europe after receiving death threats.
“‘Someone’ cancelled my family’s flight out of the country at the last second,” Bray posted on Bluesky social media. “We got our boarding passes. We checked our bags. Went through security. Then at our gate our reservation ‘disappeared.’”
I used to use gaytorrents. They have the content and forums and it’s a nice little community. However, it’s suspicious they aren’t trying to prepare for the censorship hitting all other adult sites. They flat out stated in the forums they will not adopt i2p or tor or any other darknet and will start using age verification/start banning IP ranges when requested. If we don’t like it, we are told to just use a VPN.
This is an incredibly dumb response.
So I need to plan my migration away while there is still enough open conversation to discover new places. My state already bans porn unless we hand over our IDs to be handled irresponsibly/given to identity thieves/added to a list of undesirable people they want to toss into a gas chamber.
Under this regime, I’m not giving that out. Fuck them.
This doesn't answer your main question but I suspect their thinking is that VPN use is already very common in torrent communities. So common that it's not really a big deal for users to browse the site via VPN if necessary. It's not really that the staff there is going to do age verification, realistically if necessary they'd likely just block access from whatever states/jurisdictions are giving them issues with age verification.
That aside not too sure if what you're looking for currently exists. There are a few general torrent sites that also operate Tor / I2P domains, and also the general torrent indexer Postman exists on I2P. The amount of users in Tor / I2P networks is way lower vs the clearnet torrent sites so a hyper-focused torrent site in Tor / I2P doesn't seem viable but I could be wrong.
It doesn’t have to be one or the other exclusively. They could be accessible on both sides, giving an easy mode with clearnet and VPN for those who are comfortable with the gas chambers and mass graves, and the I2P mode accessing the same content but passing the traffic around differently for literally everyone else.
A VPN doesn’t solve the problem. I would be paying for a stall at best, and one that has no way of knowing for sure they don’t keep logs or aren’t compromised. Look at what happened with Ovano back when Facebook bought them then lied about it.
Some VPNs have a long record of doing their best not to collect any data and have audits from reputable cybersecurity companies. Examples are Mullvad VPN, IVPN , ProtonVPN , AirVPN.
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data1701d (He/Him)
in reply to typhoon • • •I feel like most people who use Nvidia on Linux just got their machine before they were Linux users, with a small subset for ML stuff.
Honestly, I hear ROCm may finally be getting less horrible, is getting wider distro support, and supports more GPUs than it used to, so I really hope AMD will become as livable ML dev platform as it is a desktop GPU.
SkabySkalywag
in reply to data1701d (He/Him) • • •warmaster
in reply to SkabySkalywag • • •I did this.
From:
Intel i7 14700K + 3080 TI
To:
Ryzen 7700X + RX 7900 XTX.
The difference on Wayland is very big.
Nerdulous
in reply to warmaster • • •warmaster
in reply to Nerdulous • • •Absoluletly. All my issues just disappeared, performance went way higher and the smoothness is even very noticeable on the desktop. On top of that there are things like Steam Game Mode that only work on AMD because of their FOSS driver.
NVIDIA has finally learned the lesson but they are a few years behind of AMD, it will take time for their FOSS driver to mature.
Übercomplicated
in reply to Nerdulous • • •The 7900XTX has 24 gigabytes of video memory vs. the 3080 Ti's 12. That's a big difference...
Here's a couple Linux benchmarks by phoronix (don't take this as literal game performance, rather as relative performance between different cards): phoronix.com/review/rx7900xt-r….
As you can see, the 7900XTX performs much better.
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX + RX 7900 XT Linux Support & Performance Review
www.phoronix.comutopiah
in reply to data1701d (He/Him) • • •FauxLiving
in reply to utopiah • • •I use local ai for speech/object recognition from my video security system and control over my HomeAssistant and media services. These services are isolated from the Internet for security reasons, that wouldn’t be possible if they required OpenAI to function.
ChatGPT and Sora are just tech toys, but neural networks and machine learning are incredibly useful components. You would be well served by staying current on the technology as it develops.
utopiah
in reply to FauxLiving • • •What did I miss? fabien.benetou.fr/Content/Self…
Edited : direct link to tried things.
Fabien Benetou's PIM | Content / SelfHostingArtificialIntelligence
fabien.benetou.frdata1701d (He/Him)
in reply to utopiah • • •From what I've heard, ROCm may be finally getting out of its infancy; at the very least, I think by the time we get something useful, local, and ethical, it will be pretty well-developed.
Honestly, though, I'm in the same boat as you and actively try to avoid most AI stuff on my laptop. The only "AI" thing I use is I occasionally do an image upscale. I find it kind of useless on photos, but it's sometimes helpful when doing vector traces on bitmap graphics with flat colors; Inkscape's results aren't always good with lower resolution images, so putting that specific kind of graphic through "cartoon mode" upscales sometimes improves results dramatically for me.
Of course, I don't have GPU ML acceleration, so it just runs on the CPU; it's a bit slow, but still less than 10 minutes.
Junglist
in reply to utopiah • • •MalReynolds
in reply to utopiah • • •ROCm works just fine on consumer cards for inferencing and is competetive or superior in $/Token/s and beats NVIDIA power consumption. ROCm 7.0 seems to be giving >2x uplift on consumer cards over 6.9, so that's lovely. Haven't tried 7 myself yet, waiting for the dust to settle, but I have no issues with image gen, text gen, image tagging, video scanning etc using containers and distroboxes on Bazzite with a 7800XT.
Bleeding edge and research tends to be CUDA, but mainstream use cases are getting ported reasonably quickly. TLDR unless you're training or researching (unlikely on consumer cards) AMD is fine and performant, plus you get stable linux and great gaming.
nfreak
in reply to data1701d (He/Him) • • •Pika
in reply to data1701d (He/Him) • • •I fall into this category. Went Nvidia back in 16 when I built my gaming rig expecting that I would be using windows for awhile as gaming on Linux at that point wasn't the greatest still, ended up deciding to try out a 5700xt (yea piss poor decision i know) a few years later because I wanted to future proof if I decided to swap to linux. The 5700XT had the worst reliability I've ever seen in a graphics card driver wise, and eventually got so sick of it that I ended up going back to Nvidia with a 4070. Since then my life opened up more so I had the time to swap to Linux on my gaming rig, and here we are.
Technically I guess I could still put the 5700XT back in, and it would probably work better than being in my media server since Nvidia seems to have better isolation support in virtualized environments but, I haven't bothered doing so, mostly because getting the current card to work on my rig was a pain, and I don't feel like taking apart two machines to play hardware musical chairs.
just_another_person
in reply to typhoon • • •AMD will have superior support and better power management out of the box hands down.
Nvidia may have a minor performance improvement in some areas depending on the card, but not in a way you would care if you aren't obsessed with the technical specifics of the graphics on AAA games.
I've been on Linux as a dev and daily driver for 20 years, and Nvidia drivers are just problematic unless you know exactly how to fix them when there are issues. That's an Nvidia problem, not a Linux problem. Cuda on AMD is also a thing if you want to go that route.
The choice is yours.
vinnymac
in reply to just_another_person • • •I’m glad you mentioned knowing how to fix them. My server has hosted Nvidia GPUs for 15 odd years now, working great, and has remained stable through updates by some miracle.
Getting it set up was a nightmare back then though, do not recommend for the faint of heart.
Lukemaster69
in reply to typhoon • • •megopie
in reply to typhoon • • •I’d say in general, the advantages of Nvidia cards are fairly niche even on windows. Like, multi frame generation (fake frames) and upscaling are kind of questionable in terms of value add most of the time, and most people probably aren’t going to be doing any ML stuff on their computer.
AMD in general offers better performance for the money, and that’s doubly so with Nvidia’s lackluster Linux support. AMD has put the work in to get their hardware running well on Linux, both in terms of work from their own team and being collaborative with the open source community.
I can see why some people would choose Nvidia cards, but I think, even on windows, a lot of people who buy them probably would have been better off with AMD. And outside of some fringe edge cases, there is no good reason to choose them when building or buying a computer you intend to mainly run Linux on.
Mihies
in reply to megopie • • •From just hardware perspective, Nvidia cards are more energy efficient.
Edit: I stand corrected, series 9070 is much more energy efficient.
don't like this
Kami doesn't like this.
iopq
in reply to Mihies • • •That's not quite true. AMD cards just get clocked higher from the factory. So when a 9070xt beats a 5070 by an average of 17%, you can easily cap the power limit to match the performance. That's with more VRAM which of course increases the power requirements
The prices don't quite match up, though since it's between the 5070 and the ti (although in the US it's often more expensive for some reason)
The problem is that AMD is selling the chips to OEMs for a price that's too high to enable to sell at MSRP while giving a discount for small batches of MSRP models. It becomes a lottery where the quickest people can get $600 models refreshing ever rarer restocks.
One of the reasons is... tariffs, but I'm not sure how Nvidia got the prices down on its models
Mihies
in reply to iopq • • •But you are right, things seem changing gamersnexus.net/gpus/incredibl…
Hopefully AMD improves on efficiency in future.
Incredibly Efficient: AMD RX 9070 GPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 9070 XT, RTX 5070 | GamersNexus
gamersnexus.neteldebryn
in reply to Mihies • • •The 9070xt is a very fine exception for efficiency really. I was able to cap mine at 230watt with a minor underclock and it barely lost 5% perf compared to stock.
Even base models were clocked way too high, probably to help it ensure vfm victory over NVIDIA midrange in the market when reviewers were looking at it.
Mihies
in reply to eldebryn • • •filister
in reply to megopie • • •Even though I hate Nvidia, they have a couple of advantages:
* CUDA
* Productivity
* Their cards retain higher resale values
So if you need this card for productivity and not only gaming, Nvidia is probably better, if you buy second hand or strictly for gaming, AMD is better.
megopie
in reply to filister • • •It depends on the type of productivity TBH. Like, sure some productivity use cases need CUDA, but a lot of productivity use cases are just using the cards as graphics cards. The places where you need CUDA are real, but not ubiquitous.
And “this is my personal computer I play games on, but also the computer I do work on, and that work needs CUDA specifically” is very much an edge case.
filister
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in reply to fruitycoder • • •FauxLiving
in reply to typhoon • • •You’re misinformed, mostly.
NVIDIA had driver issues, incompatibility with gamescope (which was required for HDR) and a few instances of bugs, in WINE/proton, that caused performance problems in specific games/configurations.
Now, the driver issues for the mainline cards (the most common ones on Steam’s hardware survey) are about the same frequency as AMD hardware and we use Wayland’s native HDR, so gamescope isn’t a concern.
I’ve been using NVIDIA on Linux for 2 years now and I have never seen anything like a 30% performance reduction on any game, and I can also run local AI with acceleration.
As long as you’re using current hardware then you’re fine. If your graphics card was released 2 days ago, or is from the ‘00s then you may experience issues but otherwise NVIDIA cards work just fine.
iopq
in reply to FauxLiving • • •I have freezes on the latest Nvidia drivers as recently as yesterday on wine. Also Wayland wine is not ready, doesn't even full screen properly
Osu! linux version is ten times slower than wine using the same graphics back end. Yes, I get over 1000 fps on wine and only 100 natively. It would be fine if it didn't get choppy and drop lower during the busiest part of the game.
Just because it works for you doesn't mean it doesn't have issues
FauxLiving
in reply to iopq • • •Conversely, just because it doesn’t work for you that doesn’t mean that there are issues. I use Wayland Wine for everything, it works fine for me and even eliminates hitching caused by XWayland.
If you’re using a graphics card driver that’s newer than the version of wine then you could have problems, but this is true if you’re using AMD, NVIDIA or Intel.
Comparing osu native vs wine has nothing to do with NVIDIA or AMD hardware.
iopq
in reply to FauxLiving • • •No, if there are issues, there are issues. The logic only works one way:
If one person doesn't have issues doesn't mean some people don't have issues. But if even one person has issues it necessarily means some people have issues
typhoon
in reply to FauxLiving • • •So are you saying that those are false claims?
forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/…
Sorry the Reddit links: reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comm…
reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comm…
As you can see people report this from 2 years ago and also 14 days ago.
DirectX12 performance is terrible on Linux
NVIDIA Developer ForumsFauxLiving
in reply to typhoon • • •There isn’t a global 30% performance loss. There are specific games/configurations that have performance issues and bugs, but it isn’t all games.
For example, there is a current bug, if you’re using some features in VKD3D(like ray tracing) which NVIDIA has identified and is creating a fix. The problem isn’t Linux specific, if you use VKD3D on Windows it also has this problem.
The second Reddit link is a user confusing a Baldur’s Gate 3 bug, where vulkan was implemented in a buggy way, with a performance problem.
There are always bugs and performance issues that appear and get fixed, that’s the nature of Linux. The social media meme “NVIDIA sucks on Linux” is based on old issues when NVIDIA cards had bugs that broadly affected games and other software to the point where it required a lot of effort (like patching your own software using git).
This is not the case now, NVIDIA works without major issues. The strongest reason to use NVIDIA over AMD would be if you used CUDA to run local AI. AMD doesn’t work with CUDA and the projects that fix this are in the alpha stages.
Gaming-wise, unless you play video games by staring at MangoHUD and comparing your historical frame-time graphs across multiple OSs, it works just fine.
typhoon
in reply to FauxLiving • • •That was not what I said. I don't recall saying that there is a global 30% performance loss. I'm sorry if I gave margin for that interpretation.
This one in particular seem to be taking some time for Nvidia to fix.
I don't think I was implying that it doesn't work. My point is that for certain games that relies on certain technologies the Nvidia drivers are not optimized to reach Windows level or even AMD level on Linux for equivalents cards. It may worth reviewing the Nvidia forum link that I posted first.
I still give the benefit of the doubt that I may be missing something and need to learn better something although I'm not following your reasoning completely.
Finally, I just want to also point that I don't have strings attached to any GPU maker. I wish we had more options but it sounds that if we want something reasonable with good open source driver support for many different types of combinations of games, hardware and technology, AMD seems our only choice in Linux given this incidental bad performance present on DX12 combined with Nvidia GPUs on Linux.
Jumuta
in reply to FauxLiving • • •in my experience:
this is on ampere btw
LeFantome
in reply to typhoon • • •I think the answer is if you are shooting for the high-end. AMD is better cost / performance but NVIDIA is still unchallenged for absolute performance if budget is not a consideration.
And if you need CUDA…
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in reply to pineapple • • •I did have issues the first time I tried on my system, for whatever reason I could not output video unless I used software rendering.
Then a few months later I tried again and everything worked fine, so who knows.
melfie
in reply to typhoon • • •NVIDIA definitely dominates for specialized workloads. Look at these Blender rendering benchmarks and notice AMD doesn’t appear until page 3. Wish there were an alternative to NVIDIA Optix that were as fast for path tracing, but there unfortunately is not. Buy an AMD card if you’re just gaming, but you’re unfortunately stuck with NVIDIA if you want to do path traced rendering cost effectively:
opendata.blender.org/benchmark…
Edit:
Here’s hoping AMD makes it to the first page with next generation hardware like Radiance Cores:
wccftech.com/amd-unveils-radia…
AMD Unveils Radiance Cores, Neural Arrays & Universal Compression For Next-Gen RDNA GPU Architecture: Faster RT, Better Upscaling, & Lower Bandwidth Needs
Hassan Mujtaba (Wccftech)LeFantome
in reply to typhoon • • •Two pretty massive facts for anybody trying to answer this question:
Whether you get to enjoy these significant improvements depends on how long it takes stuff to make it to your distribution. If you are on Arch, you have this stuff today. If you are on Debian, you are still waiting (even on Debian 13).
This is not an endorsement of either distro. They are simply examples of the two extremes regarding how current the software versions are in those distros. Most other distros fall somewhere in the middle.
All this stuff will make it to all Linux users eventually. They are solved problems. Just not solved for everyone.
typhoon
in reply to LeFantome • • •Are you sure that the DX12 performance loss is already addressed on Nvidia GPUs? Do you have a source?
forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/…
reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comm…
Are you sure that is how it works for AMD in Linux?
DirectX12 performance is terrible on Linux
NVIDIA Developer ForumsUntouchedWagons
in reply to LeFantome • • •daggermoon
in reply to typhoon • • •~~If you want to use Linux, please choose AMD. I helped install CachyOS on my sister's RTX 5080 system and its horrible. 40% performance loss. She's going back to Windows.~~
Edit: Not entirely accurate
daggermoon
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