Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration
Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration
After the news cycle recently exploded with the announcement that Google would require every single Android app to be from a registered and verified developer, while killing third-party app stores …Hackaday
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Mastodon: Our ideas about Packs
Our ideas about Packs
Sharing our thoughts and plans behind sharing collections of accounts in the Fediverse.Mastodon Blog
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Re: Mastodon: Our ideas about Packs
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Physics Nobel awarded to three scientists for work on quantum computing
Physics Nobel: Three win prize for paving way for very powerful computers
The announcement was made by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences in Stockholm.Georgina Rannard (BBC News)
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UN plastics treaty chair to step down with process in turmoil
UN plastics treaty chair to step down with process in turmoil
Exclusive: Luis Vayas Valdivieso says he is quitting for personal and professional reasons after reports of pressure behind the scenesEmma Bryce (The Guardian)
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Just bring back those big beautiful Steam Locomotives from the old black and white westerns. It is something we’re considering, the concept of ‘locomotive.’ Nice two-inch side, solid steel. Not aluminum, aluminum that melts if it looks at a car sitting on the track. Starts melting as the car’s about two miles away.I am a very aesthetic person. I don’t like some of the trains they're doing aesthetically. They say, ‘Oh, it’s fast.’ That’s not fast. An ugly train is not necessary in order to say you’re fast.
-@RealDonaldTrump
Trump’s plan for Gaza rewards Israel’s genocide and punishes its victims
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SOLVED: Ethernet stopped working hours after installation. Wifi works OK.
Another Windows migrant here. I can’t get my ethernet to work but wifi works OK. I am almost certain that when I installed Debian Trixie with KDE Plasma a few weeks ago, ethernet worked but it stopped a day or so later. Info Centre reports:
2: enp0s25: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state DOWN group default qlen 1000
link/ether 54:ee:75:52:01:23 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
altname enx54ee75520123
3: enx0050b6c0f7f3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
link/ether 00:50:b6:c0:f7:f3 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.1.92/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute enx0050b6c0f7f3
valid_lft 3419sec preferred_lft 2969sec
inet6 fe80::8437:d694:3204:62ff/64 scope link
valid_lft forever preferred_lft foreverI deleted the wired connection in System Settings | Wi-Fi & Networking and it was recreated which probably suggests the ethernet connection is detected even if the fields there are all blank. Also, the internet traffic plasmoid shows enx0050b6c0f7f3 with around 1/5 of the cumulative traffic of wifi.
I tried the obvious things, just in case. I disabled the firewall, restarted the router, deleted the wired connection, played with settings in Wi-Fi & Networking and tried dhcpcd.
$ sudo dhcpcd
main: control_open: Connection refused
dhcpcd-10.1.0 starting
dev: loaded udev
DUID 00:01:00:01:30:54:2e:d5:00:50:b6:c0:f7:f3
wlp4s0: connected to Access Point: glocal
enp0s25: waiting for carrier
enx0050b6c0f7f3: IAID b6:c0:f7:f3
wlp4s0: IAID 86:9b:42:5e
enx0050b6c0f7f3: soliciting an IPv6 router
wlp4s0: soliciting an IPv6 router
wlp4s0: rebinding lease of 192.168.1.122
wlp4s0: probing address 192.168.1.122/24
enx0050b6c0f7f3: rebinding lease of 192.168.1.216
enx0050b6c0f7f3: leased 192.168.1.216 for 3600 seconds
enx0050b6c0f7f3: adding route to 192.168.1.0/24
enx0050b6c0f7f3: adding default route via 192.168.1.254and
sudo systemctl status NetworkManager.service returns●NetworkManager.service - Network Manager
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service;enabled; preset: enabled)
Active:active (running)since Sun 2025-10-12 23:59:31 BST; 47min ago
Invocation: a3faea14d3dc48e29a2e2d27750ca082
Docs: man:NetworkManager(8)
Main PID: 98676 (NetworkManager)
Tasks: 4 (limit: 9149)
Memory: 6.3M (peak: 7.1M)
CPU: 2.457s
CGroup: /system.slice/NetworkManager.service
└─98676 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon
Oct 13 00:03:10 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760310190.8454] dhcp4 (wlp4s0): activation: beginning transaction (timeout in 45 seconds)
Oct 13 00:03:10 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760310190.8623] dhcp4 (wlp4s0): state changed new lease, address=192.168.1.85, acd pending
Oct 13 00:03:11 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760310191.0217] dhcp4 (wlp4s0): state changed new lease, address=192.168.1.85
Oct 13 00:03:11 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760310191.0237] policy: set 'glocal' (wlp4s0) as default for IPv4 routing and DNS
Oct 13 00:03:11 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760310191.0440] device (wlp4s0): state change: ip-config -> ip-check (reason 'none', managed-type: 'full')
Oct 13 00:03:11 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760310191.0839] device (wlp4s0): state change: ip-check -> secondaries (reason 'none', managed-type: 'full')
Oct 13 00:03:11 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760310191.0841] device (wlp4s0): state change: secondaries -> activated (reason 'none', managed-type: 'full')
Oct 13 00:03:11 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760310191.0855] device (wlp4s0): Activation: successful, device activated.
Oct 13 00:03:11 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760310191.1033] audit: op="statistics" interface="wlp4s0" ifindex=4 args="2000" pid=1511 uid=1000 result="succe>
Oct 13 00:33:10 tpkde NetworkManager[98676]: <info> [1760311990.8671] dhcp4 (wlp4s0): state changed new lease, address=192.168.1.85Not sure if this is relevant, but DCHP is handled by pi.hole on a Raspberry Pi. This has been working serving multiple devices for a long time without issues. Also, this is temporarily a dual boot Windows/Linux setup. When I log out and into Windows, everything works as ever.
After several days trying, I ran out of ideas. Can someone help please.
EDIT: SOLVED! In case it helps others, reading wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager closely, I ran nmcli device which showed that specific ethernet interface as 'unmanaged'. I am not sure why. Then, I followed the instructions below:
If you want NetworkManager to handle interfaces that are enabled in/etc/network/interfaces:Set
managed=truein a drop-in file in/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf.d/or directly in/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf.
Debian documentation could be more accessible, but it is invaluable. Thanks all for your help.
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Might as well reinstall at this point and for future reference. You shouldn't just delete your network connection and firewall and throw stuff at the wall to fix it. A lot of this stuff is set up by a script during install and it only runs once so if you break it, you are going to need much deeper knowledge to fix it without a reinstall. You likely made new problems which makes finding your actual issue nearly impossible now. If you have a single issue it's easier to find. If you have two issues there is no way to know if anything you did actually fixed it unless you get lucky and fix both issues at once.
This sounds obvious but I recently didn't realize that you had to click on the network connections and actually click, connect, to get it to connect on Ethernet in my distro. This is a quirk that I didn't realize that Linux had. Windows just automatically connects to Ethernet, Linux probably doesn't do this because it's a security risk.
This seems like the type of issue that chatGPT could really help with. With a few console commands you could verify that the system is seeing the network adapter and is communicating with it properly and try to list the networks directly, giving you a better clue as to where the chain is broken.
Either way might as well reinstall at this point.
North Carolina Republicans Plan to Redraw Congressional Map to Add a Seat
The Trump administration has pushed Republican leaders to redraw House district maps before the midterm elections next year. His party already holds 10 of North Carolina’s 14 congressional seats.
Makes it really critical for Democratic-leaning stated to counter the national gerrymandering effort by Republicans, both by passing Prop. 50 in California and launching similar measures in other states
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World Bank raises China growth forecast to 4.8% despite U.S. trade tensions
World Bank raises China growth forecast to 4.8% despite U.S. trade tensions
The World Bank now projects 4.8% growth for China, up from 4.0% predicted earlier this year.Evelyn Cheng (CNBC)
Italy bans pro-Palestinian October 7 demonstration in Bologna as tensions rise
cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/50478393
Italy bans pro-Palestinian October 7 demonstration in Bologna as tensions rise
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Despite the bans, several hundred pro-Pal protesters took to the streets in Turin and Bologna to sing the praises of the October 7 massacre,
Lol talk about spin
Myanmar Junta Strike Kills at Least 32 on Buddhist Festival of Light
cross-posted from: lemmy.ca/post/52965336
Several children were among at least 32 people killed and over 50 injured on Monday night when junta paragliders bombed a peaceful candlelight vigil in Sagaing Region’s Chaung-U Township.
EU to curb Russian diplomats’ travel as suspected spy attacks mount
cross-posted from: lemmy.sdf.org/post/43656968
ArchivedEU governments have agreed to limit the travel of Russian diplomats within the bloc, in response to a surge in sabotage attempts that intelligence agencies say are often led by spies operating under diplomatic cover.
Moscow-sponsored intelligence operatives have been blamed for escalating provocations against Nato states — from arson and cyber attacks to infrastructure sabotage and drone incursions — in what EU security services call a co-ordinated campaign to destabilise Kyiv’s European allies.
The proposed rules will force Russian diplomats posted in EU capitals to inform other governments of their travel plans before crossing beyond the border of their host country.
The initiative, championed by the Czech Republic, is part of a fresh set of sanctions being drawn up by Brussels in response to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The package requires unanimous support to be adopted. Hungary, the last country opposed to the measure, has dropped its veto, two people briefed on the negotiations said.
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EU intelligence agencies say that Russian spies, posing as diplomats, often run assets or operations beyond their host countries, in order to better elude counter-espionage surveillance.
“They are posted to one place — but work in another,” said a senior EU diplomat, citing intelligence reports. “The host country intelligence services know what they are up to but, if they cross the border, it can be harder for that country to keep tabs on them.”
[...]
’’There is no ‘Schengen for Russia,’ so it makes no sense that a Russian diplomat accredited in Spain can come to Prague whenever he likes,’’ he told the FT. ‘‘We should apply strict reciprocity to the issuance of short-stay, diplomatic visas under the Vienna Convention.”
In 2014 the Czech Republic suffered one of Russia’s worst sabotage attacks on EU soil when explosions at an ammunition warehouse in Vrbětice killed two people. Prague attributed the attack to agents from Russia’s foreign intelligence agency GRU.
EU to curb Russian diplomats’ travel as suspected spy attacks mount
Intelligence agencies say sabotage operations are often led by spies posing as diplomatsHenry Foy (Financial Times)
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Herzlians repeatedly oversimplify the Orthodox Jewish opposition to Zionism as a mere question of timing: if the Moshiach arrived, then Orthodox Jews would support Zionism. In reality, the occupation violates numerous Judaic rules: its very founding in 1948 involved the theft of land as well as the slaughter of innocents.
A few weeks ago I was rereading Isaiah, and while I am well aware that it could not possibly have been referring to events in the distant future, it could hardly be more relevant today. Isaiah 3:
G-d enters the courtroom.
He takes his place at the bench to judge his people.
G-d calls for order in the court,
hauls the leaders of his people into the dock:
“You’ve played havoc with this country.
Your houses are stuffed with what you’ve stolen from the poor.
What is this anyway? Stomping on my people,
grinding the faces of the poor into the dirt?”
Doom to you who buy up all the houses
and grab all the land for yourselves—
Evicting the old owners,
posting no trespassing signs,
Taking over the country,
leaving everyone homeless and landless.
I overheard G-d-of-the-Angel-Armies say:
“Those mighty houses will end up empty.
Those extravagant estates will be deserted.
A ten-acre vineyard will produce a pint of wine,
a fifty-pound sack of seed, a quart of grain.”
(Emphasis added.)
Isaiah 3 | MSG Bible | YouVersion
Jerusalem on Its Last Legs -7The Master, God-of-the-Angel-Armies,is emptying Jerusalem and JudahOf all the basic necessities,plain bread and water to begin with.He’s withdrawing police and protYouVersion | The Bible App | Bible.com
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Climate Summit 2025 | United Nations
Climate Summit 2025 | United Nations
24 September 2025: To accelerate momentum, the UN Secretary-General will host a Special High-Level Event on Climate Action on 24 September 2025, as a platform for leaders to present their new national climate plans.United Nations
The Israeli Military Strategies the BBC Doesn’t Want You to Know About
The Israeli Military Strategies the BBC Doesn’t Want You to Know About
The Dahiya doctrine and Hannibal directive are key to making sense of Israel's actions in Gaza over the past two years, and yet the BBC hasn't mentioned them once in its coverage since 7 October 2023. Harriet Williamson reports.Novara Media
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First sentence is wrong:
Since 7 October 2023, Israel has waged a brutal war on Gaza
It was Hamas that invaded Israel on Oct 7th starting a brutal war they had no hope of winning, killing 65,000 civilians which they have admitted they are ok with dying for the publicity
Stopped after that, sounds like more left wing opinionated bullshit to me
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People like this want you conflate "the country of Israel" with "all ethnic/religious Jewish people everywhere"
It allows them to more easily call people antisemitic when you criticize the Israeli government.
Even IF Israeli intelligence hadn't ignored reports of potential attacks, and even IF they hadn't intentionally lowered security in order to make potential attacks worse, all in order to give them and excuse to do the thing they already wanted to do, committing genocide in response is a FULL FUCKING STOP "no"
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Antisemitism refers specifically to hatred against Jews, not all Semitic people in general.
Just like antibiotics don't kill all biological life. Words have meaning.
Yeah: how come Israel now pretends that Arabs are not semitic??
& how come everybody's been accommodating that?
"Anti-semitic" originally meant anti semitic people, which included Jews & Arabs, both..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_…
And multiple other peoples, too! ( I didn't know, until now! : )
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I like how you casually claim Hamas held Israeli territory IN THE FRONTIER OF OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN LAND.
FFS. The Gaza Prison Breakout is analogous to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, a response to 75 years of ethnic cleansing and shooting children in the knees for sport, 16 years of illegal military land sea and air siege where Israel calculated the caloric input to keep Palestinians in Gaza on a "starvation plus" diet.
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I've never read about Palestinian children or moms or civilians attacking Israel in any way shape or form and yet the vast VAST VAST majority of these victims of GENOCIDE are innocent civilians that had NOTHING to do with Hamas.
I wouldn't t give a single fuck if Israel obliterated every last member of Hamas in the sort of targeted surgical strikes that an advanced military/intelligence power like Israel is capable of, but instead they chose to level Gaza and starve it's people into submission. Not even Putin's Russia have been so egregious with their targeting of innocent civilians, meanwhile Gaza has an 83% CIVILIAN CASUALTY RATE
Stop wasting time trying to convince people blatant genocide isn't genocide. Stop being a fucking genocidal Nazi.
ttbomk, hamas won't allow non-involvement:
They won't permit any social-services to be neutral, they won't permit any operating-business to be neutral, they won't tolerate neutrality.
Same as the zionists won't.
Ideology is threatened by neutrality, so they force-eradicate it, wherever it tries growing.
Leninism eradicates considered-reasoning from "education" in order to produce the ideological-population that Leninism wants,
exactly the same as the Republicans eradicate considered-reasoning from their "education", in order to *produce the ideological-population that their ideology wants.*
Ideology HATES neutrality, rabidly
The ONLY way that Palestine could possibly have been kept from this, is if decades ago the UN had displaced all the ideologues from authority in the territory, & absolutely-blocked them from from even influencing gov't, essential-services, education, etc, until 3-ish generations of people had grown-up in that considered-reasoning-and-meritocracy paradigm,
& then the ideologues-murdering-considered-reasoning-from-our-world would be retired-out from all authority
( Max Planck's ~ Science progresses funeral by funeral: as the old-guard die off, the population becomes made-of people who grew-up-with the new paradigm, & they accept it ~ is exactly this principle, simply in a different domain )
But NO ideology would tolerate that: not zionist not hamas.
So, genociding it is, then, inevitably..
Until the rampaging-rabies has overwhelmed the entire world, all religions, all political-ideologies, all food-insecurity-migrations, all supremacisms, all together, combined, & then humankind can manufacture the "apocalypse" that makes its unconscious-mind/ego feel important ( which is mostly what's really going on, during this ClimatePunctuation, tbh )
The Great Filter: unconscious-mind's ego-rabies rampaging in a manufactured ClimatePunctuation, trying to prove that ego-importance and unconscious-ignorance is "THE ONLY GOD", until .. until there's nothing left.
We're failing The Great Filter, iow, & digging our world-species's grave, with every such torquing/ignoring.
Here's another angle:
Have you noticed that the "populist" ideologues are gaining power throughout the West?
They're no-more tolerating of neutrality than hamas or the zionists are.
It isn't just the people in Palestine who got highjacked & machiavellianly pwned, it is us, too!
We're just not-yet at the final-butchery stage, yet ( wait a few more years, & look around the remains of our countries .. & see, then, what happens when right-wing ideologues, equivalents to hamas, rule our countries )
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ttbomk, the "fear the Jews: they are behind all evil" conspiracist-nationalists do hold such things to be true.
And they are vocal about it, so your not having heard about such things doesn't mean that such assertions are not made.
I was told, a few decades ago, that in Europe the centuries-long sequence went sorta like this:
- Jews are farmers
- conspiracist-nationalists spread fear about "Jews are taking/owning all our farmland", so therefore..
- farmland gets taken away from Jews, which means, that they have to earn a living by other means, so therefore
- they become clockmakers, lawyers, doctors, etc, which therefore
- creates leverage for conspiracists to assert that they're conspiring & taking all these skilled-work jobs, because it's their world-subjugation program..
etc..
IOW, it doesn't matter what people do: prejudice is going to claim "justification", relentlessly.
Machiavellianism is a mental-illness, or worse, a hardwiring-of-brain.
Here's some objectivity, however..
statista.com/statistics/142230…
Israel & Palestinian territories: number of fatalities & injuries caused by the Israel & Hamas war 2023| Statista
Since the terrorist organization Hamas launched its attacks on Israeli soil on October 7, 2023, around 1,200 Israelis died, and 5,431 were injured.Statista
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This whole site has strong bias and mixed facts see this link :
Bias Rating: FAR LEFT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: United Kingdom
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY
Also , the BBC is deliberately being targeted of foreign disinformation and influence campaigns, particularly from state-sponsored actors seeking to discredit its reporting. Not saying they are perfect, but they are discredited by the Zino- Rizzian propaganda machine.
Novara Media - Bias and Credibility - Media Bias/Fact Check
LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation.Media Bias Fact Check
that Novara Media is quite transparent about its bias.
Had never heard of this site before, that's why I checked.
has a left-wing bias
So does reality.
But some people are, perplexingly, still concerned with "being fair".
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Opposing objective bad things is not biases. Israel is the settler colonial power who been occupying Gaza and the west bank for 57 years and oppressing Palestinians for 78 years
Once Israel end occupation, i will stop criticizing Israel
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You are not discussing in good faith.
Added.
Ah I see , you edited your original comment I reacted to,, by adding a whole new context; after I had reacted. Talking about good faith. Well, whatever.
Careful with these kind of bias or fact checkers, as they're only relevant on the left/center/right axis, which is a biased framework in and of itself. A centered position, which these checkers claim to be the least biased, are absolutely dependant on the Overton window and that window is currently so far off to the right, that any slightly leftist position might seem radical or even unthinkable.
It also only makes sense, if you are some kind of hyper centrist, absolutely ignoring what "right" and "left" actually mean and then proclaim that the center is a good thing and any extreme perspective off from the center is a bad thing. That's either willfully ignorant or a right-wing perspective trying to appease to unpolitical people.
This fact checker also proclaims mixed factual reporting in their summary, but in the segment it says "Failed Fact Checks: None in the Last 5 years". This is dumb and misleading.
One can see this kind of bias by them branding "concern for climate change, and racial-social equality" as far-left perspectives, while a sane person would see these things as the fucking bare minimum. Everything less than that is de facto regressive and right-wing.
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Ofc. But you are only talking about the Left/ Right Pol. spectrum. Its the " Mixed Reporting" bit which to me is relevant.
Also, if I were to report for example about Trump from the Rep. or Right side, would you say the same? Or if I used a zionist new-soutlet. Not that I would though, it's an example.
Failed Fact ChecksNone in the Last 5 years
Overall, we rate Novara Media Far-Left Biased based on editorial positions that favor anti-capitalism and the promotion of Luxury Communism. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to the use of poor sources and one-sided hyper-partisan perspectives. (D. Van Zandt 05/08/2022) Updated (02/21/2024)
Reason number what 20 why mbfc is terrible at being both a bias checker and fact checker.
Asylum hotel provider makes £180m profit despite claims of inedible food and rationed loo paper
Asylum hotel provider makes £180m profit despite claims of inedible food and rationed loo paper
Asylum seekers and charities tell BBC of "terrible" conditions as accommodation provider makes millions.Tarah Welsh (BBC News)
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Venezuela announces closure of embassies in Norway and Australia
The closures are part of the "strategic re-assignation of resources," the government says.
Archived version: archive.is/newest/straitstimes…
Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.
Venezuela announces closure of embassies in Norway and Australia
The closures are part of the "strategic re-assignation of resources," the government says. Read more at straitstimes.com.ST
The announcement occurred just days after the Nobel Committee in Oslo announced that Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Corina Machado had won the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize for fighting for democracy in the South American country.
Russia says Gaza prisoner exchange ‘won’t solve anything’ without Palestinian state
Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev said Monday that while the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners is a positive step, it will not bring lasting peace unless a full-fledged Palestinian state is established in accordance with UN resolutions, Anadolu reports.
Archived version: archive.is/newest/middleeastmo…
Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.
Tesla Cybertruck sales are flatlining
Sales are down 63 percent in the third quarter
Tesla Cybertruck sales are flatlining
Tesla Cybertruck sales are down 63 percent in the third quarter, as Elon Musk’s post-apocalyptic EV continues to falter.Andrew J. Hawkins (The Verge)
Around 250,000 protest Dutch government's Israel policy in the Netherlands
There are also protests in Berlin (9 days ago):
reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/…
Meanwhile /r/europe deleted the post of the Berlin protest:
reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1…
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Wafrn is for People Who Miss Tumblr’s Chaotic Energy
For those seeking out a federated and open alternative to Tumblr, Wafrn is looking extremely promising. It can speak both ActivityPub and AT Protocol, offers a ton of interesting features and customization, and focuses on making an incredibly fun experience.
Wafrn is for People Who Miss Tumblr’s Chaotic Energy
While Tumblr is said to be coming to the Fediverse sometime after its backend transition to WordPress, I wanted to take a moment to steer attention towards a home-grown effort largely inspired by Tumblr. Wafrn (pronounced “wah fern”) is an open source platform that seems to focus on a lesson that other social platforms seem to forget about: BEING FUN.
Wafrn’s Mascot, Waffy the Wafrn, a bug holding a heart and a waffle.
This project takes a bunch of inspiration from existing social networks, does a few crazy things on the side, and incorporates some legitimately impressive ideas to create something new.
The Social Experience
Right off the bat, Wafrn instantly feels different from Mastodon, Friendica, or even the many offshoots of Misskey. It incorporates ideas from all of these things, but also brings a bunch of fresh ideas to the table.
The “Superfan” theme strongly resemble’s the Tumblr dashboard.
Themes
Wafrn prides itself in allowing for user customization. There are a series of community-made themes readily available on the flagship instance, and it’s possible to inject your own custom CSS both on your dashboard as well as your personal profile.Personally, I’m in love with the Wafrn98 theme.
There’s a world of opportunity here, especially as users continue to explore recreating their favorite visual styles from other apps and networks. During my initial testing of Wafrn, I actually ended up writing a Cohost-style theme, and submitted it to the project’s official repository.
The theme is called “Cohfrn”, and now ships with the installation.
Creating Posts
Wafrn’s post editor is pretty bog-standard, but does a decent job at showing you exactly what your posts are going to look like. For those with Bluesky integration turned on, you’ll also see a character limit prompt, ensuring that your posts don’t run over the limit.
One thing worth mentioning here is that woots support rich formatting through a combination of HTML, Markdown, and CSS attributes. While Wafrn doesn’t yet support Misskey-Flavored Markdown, the community is still able to create absolute gems like the following:
The future is now.Feeds
For the time being, Wafrn supports three different user feeds: the Dashboard, Explore Wafrn, and Wafrn & Friends. These all incorporate subtle differences, so I’ll try my best to explain them. With the platform supporting Bluesky and the AT Protocol, my hope is that we might one day see support for Bluesky’s Custom Feeds, which would be amazing for discovery.The Dashboard
The user Dashboard is strictly a no-frills timeline that focuses on who you’re following, and what they’re boosting or posting. You can see comments and reactions from mutuals on posts (called “woots”), and it’s all clean and easy to use.
Explore Wafrn
The Explore Wafrn timeline appears to solely focus on posts created or boosted by local Wafrn accounts, and includes a fair amount of people that you do not directly follow.
Wafrn & Friends
The Wafrn & Friends timeline ultimately combines the Explore Wafrn feed with posts from friendly servers that the Wafrn instance is also connected to. Here, you can find all kinds of stuff from the rest of the Fediverse: Mastodon, Friendica, Misskey, Bluesky, PeerTube, and even WordPress all managed to show up!
Asks
One super-underrated feature carried over from Tumblr is Asks, a Question-and-Answer feature for the Inbox that allows people to publicly answer questions. What’s really cool about this is that any Fediverse account can ask a question using special formatting. To do this, just append a Private post with the following:
![url=https://mastodon.xy-space.de/users/ASK]ASK[/url] @username@instance.tld YOUR QUESTION HERE
As a result, questions appear in a special tab like so:
If you choose to answer the prompt, the question and your response show up as a special post on the timelines.
Ignore the fact that I asked myself to tell an awkward story. This is for demonstration purposes.
The nice thing here is that this feature is 100% opt-in, and you can even choose whether to only allow Asks from mutual connections, or also open it up to anonymous people. It’s definitely something I’ve missed from using Tumblr, and I would love to use it more.
Bites
One of the most recent feature additions in Wafrn are “Bites”, which are basically pokes, but more furry-themed. Users can bite other users as well as posts, and cute little notifications get created in response.
It’s a small, silly feature, but it’s one more indication of how the community likes to have fun on the platform.Bluesky Integration
One of the most impressive parts of Wafrn is the fact that it implements the AT Protocol from scratch, and can natively connect to Bluesky. This isn’t a protocol bridge, so much as it’s a native implementation that connects a Fediverse platform with Bluesky and its wider network.
Support is still experimental and limited, but most posts and profiles translate remarkably well with the default Bluesky app. Direct Messages between Bluesky and Wafrn don’t work yet, and some of the wider features of AT Proto (custom feeds, moderation, labelers, and other integrations) aren’t supported yet. Still, it’s an impressive feat, and day-to-day social usage works pretty great.As an aside, Wafrn also offers the ability to fully migrate from Bluesky onto Wafrn itself, all while preserving posts, friends, and followers. Pretty cool!
Super Secret Menu
For some time now, Wafrn has sported an extra-special, super-secret menu. Inside of it is an embedded WASM build of DosBox, running a copy of Doom. When I first discovered this, I was utterly speechless. It runs great, and completely works.
The Community
I still have no idea what the acronym WAFRN stands for. My best guess is “We Are Friends Right Now”, but I keep getting different answers, and can’t be sure if any of them are serious. Wafrn’s creator, Gabboman, suggested that this is a reference to Tumblr’s 2018 porn ban, with the acronym standing for “We Allow Female Presenting Nipples”. However, alternative suggestions include “What Asshole Fucking wRote Name”, and “We All Fuck Real Northerners”. The lack of consensus only makes Wafrn more fun.Other Wafrnisms within the community are as follows: Mastodon’s toots are now woots, Wafrn users are unofficially called waffles, and there’s some absolutely wild custom themes available.
Yes, this is a real theme, called “Rizzler”.
Wafrn’s community is funny. Really funny. Within the first five minutes of browsing the site, I hit a dozen or so hysterical shitposts from people trying to act completely unhinged. There’s a healthy overlap between Wafrn’s local users, and playful posters from Misskey, Akkoma, Bluesky, and the funnier parts of Mastodon. The overall impression is very reminiscent of Tumblr’s “Yes And” culture, and it’s well-curated.
This was funnier when Silksong hadn’t come out yet. Guess how long it took me to finish this review?
As a final golden touch, Wafrn offers a Custom Word filter that allows you to transform the word “AI” to “cocaine” or any other word every time you see it.
It’s really, really fun to see in practice. Again, it’s simple and just a funny idea, but these little details end up setting Wafrn apart from its peers.
Screenshot credit: Little1Lost on Wafrn
In Conclusion
Wafrn is awesome, and taps into a specific niche that falls somewhere between Tumblr, Cohost, and “Weird Twitter”. It’s goofy and nerdy and passionate, and seems to be constantly evolving into a better version of itself. I love what I’m seeing so far, and hope to see the platform continue to grow. There’s an enormous promise in a project like this, and it’s refreshing to see how fun it is to use.What We Loved
- Great design, easy to use.
- Lots of customization available
- Super fun community
- Native AT Protocol integration
- Asks, Bites, and an embedded version of Doom
- Emoji confetti explodes whenever you do something!
- Pretty good mobile apps!
- The AI “Cocaine” filter.
What We’d Like To see
- Support for Bluesky’s Custom Feeds.
- Support for AT Protocol integration with other apps?
- Better media embeds and Link Previews.
- Misskey Flavored Markdown?
- More robust search with Webfinger support.
- Wafrn needs to more aggressively recruit people from Tumblr and other communities.
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Tumblr will move all of its blogs to WordPress — and you might not even notice
Tumblr is moving all of its blogs to WordPress. Automattic, the parent company of Tumblr and WordPress, says the move will make it easier to ship features across both platforms.Emma Roth (The Verge)
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Looking for federated NodeBB instances
Re: Looking for federated NodeBB instances
There are comparatively few instances that federate, since we are new to the activitypub game.
I made the decision that if you upgrade to v4, AP is turned off. Install a new instance of NodeBB, and ActivityPub is enabled out of the box.
Side effect of that would be all instances running prior to v4 won't be federating, but at least there will be no surprises!
Here's a list, but it's not listed by topic or genre.
nodebb.fediverse.observer/list
Fediverse Observer checks all sites in the fediverse and gives you an easy way to find a home from a map or list or automatically.
Nodebb Sites Status. Find a Nodebb server to sign up for, find one close to you!nodebb.fediverse.observer
Re: Looking for federated NodeBB instances
Also, a couple years back I lost basically all of my gaming clients to Discord.
Travesty. Discord pales in comparison to what forums can do.
So NodeBB and forums in general used to be pretty big in games, but not so much now.
Last one I know of is Sea of Thieves, but they don't federate.
... yet? 😂
Sea of Thieves Game Discussion
The essential pirate experience from Rare, packed to the seams with sailing and exploring, fighting and plundering, riddle solving and treasure hunting!www.seaofthieves.com
I checked some of the forums in the link (nodebb.fediverse.observer/list) you posted, but it's hard to tell what most of those NodeBB instances are actually for: many lack descriptions and the forum names don't say much. I would have to read a few posts in each forum to figure out what each one is for. I found a literature forum but it only has three posts, I don't want to make an account just to shout into the void, so I'm trying to post to it from Lemmy.
I tried posting to the literature community I found via Lemmy but the post never showed up on the NodeBB instance. I used Lemmy's search with the target community URL (community.darkscribes.com/cate…), it found the community, and I created a post from Lemmy (lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/54997372). I can see the post on Lemmy but not on the target NodeBB instance. Any idea why that might be or how to get Lemmy posts to appear on federated NodeBB forums?
Fediverse Observer checks all sites in the fediverse and gives you an easy way to find a home from a map or list or automatically.
Nodebb Sites Status. Find a Nodebb server to sign up for, find one close to you!nodebb.fediverse.observer
Re: Looking for federated NodeBB instances
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that... unfortunately debugging server-to-server interactions is kind of tough. It should work though, so I don't know why it didn't... yet. It could be their version of NodeBB isn't up to date enough.
cwsmith@community.darkscribes.com cwsmith@community.nodebb.org are you able to weigh in and let me know the NodeBB version? Could also be a privileges issue with the fediverse pseudo-user.
Gaza Palestinian journalist Saleh al-Jafarawi killed by collaborators
cross-posted from: lemmygrad.ml/post/9434360
cross-posted from: lemmygrad.ml/post/9434359
Journalist Saleh al-Jafarawi was killed in southern Gaza while reporting, as media groups condemn ongoing Israeli attacks on Palestinian press workers.Renowned Palestinian journalist Saleh al-Jafarawi was martyred on Sunday after being killed by Israeli collaborators in Gaza while preparing a news report.
According to local sources, al-Jafarawi was shot while working on Street 8, south of Gaza City, as he documented the situation in the area following recent developments on the ground. Witnesses said he had been preparing a report when armed members of a clan collaborating with the Israeli occupation opened fire, killing him instantly.
For the past two years, al-Jafarawi has been a prominent voice in the coverage of the Israeli war on Gaza, documenting atrocities and exposing war crimes to international audiences. His reporting became widely recognized for highlighting the human suffering, destruction, and resilience of the Palestinian people.
Al-Jafarawi voices gratitude for solidarity
When the recent ceasefire in Gaza was confirmed, al-Jafarawi shared a heartfelt message from northern Gaza, expressing gratitude to all who stood by the Palestinian cause, from protesters and boycotters to artists, athletes, and activists who amplified Gaza’s voice around the world.
He also extended thanks to the activists behind the Gaza Sumud Flotilla and the Freedom Flotilla, both of which sought to break the siege and deliver aid to the Strip.
Yet his final words carried a powerful plea to the world: “Yes, the war has ended, but don’t turn your attention away from Gaza. Stay with Gaza always, because Gaza needs your voice, especially in the coming stage.”
He concluded his message by reaffirming the steadfastness of the Palestinian people: “We are the people of this land, and we have the right to live on it.”
Largest graveyard for journalists in modern history
Anthony Bellanger, a French-Belgian journalist, trade unionist, and historian, delivered a searing reflection in The Guardian, channeling the outrage of media workers worldwide as they watch colleagues in Gaza being killed with what he describes as Israeli impunity.
For Bellanger, history will remember the witnesses. In Gaza, that means remembering Anas al-Sharif, a young reporter killed on August 10, 2025, and the 222 other Palestinian journalists slain over the past two years, according to data from the International Federation of Journalists (IFJ). Those who sought to silence these voices, he writes, will carry condemnation forever.
For two years, Gaza has been the most dangerous place on earth to practice journalism. "Israel" has barred foreign reporters from entering, leaving Palestinian journalists, most of them members of the Palestinian Journalists’ Syndicate, affiliated with the IFJ, as the sole chroniclers of the war. They work without protection, often with their families equally exposed, and too often under direct Israeli fire.
The scale of the loss is unprecedented. Since its founding in 1926, the IFJ has not recorded such mass killings of journalists, not during World War II, nor in Vietnam, Korea, Syria, Afghanistan, or Iraq. Gaza, Bellanger argues, is now the largest graveyard for journalists in modern history.
Intentional killings
He insists these killings are not random. They represent a deliberate strategy: eliminate the witnesses, seal Gaza off from international eyes, and control the narrative. With Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu openly vowing to “recolonize” Gaza, information warfare is seen as inseparable from military conquest. Colonization, Bellanger writes, also means erasing the ruins, the victims, and those who dare to tell their stories.
Displacement has only deepened the crisis. Hundreds of thousands have fled southward, but the south offers no sanctuary, only overcrowding, bombardment, and entrapment between the sea and the siege. Journalists share this suffocating reality, working inside an enclave where each day of survival is more uncertain than the last.
Meanwhile, the international community’s response has been little more than symbolic. Recognition of Palestinian statehood at the UN, while historically significant, comes too late to save the living or deliver justice to the killed. The UN remains paralyzed, major powers complicit through silence and arms sales, and Palestinian reporters continue their mission alone, often to the point of death.
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China achieves important breakthrough in creating 'shield' for fusion reactor
China achieves important breakthrough in creating 'shield' for fusion reactor
China has achieved an important breakthrough in the development of its next-generation “artificial sun” with the prototype component of the divertor of China’s Comprehensive Research Facility for Fusion Technology (CRAFT), passing expert evaluation a…www.globaltimes.cn
Sending a message: Beijing issues documents without Word format amid US tensions
Sending a message: Beijing issues documents without Word format amid US tensions
For the first time, China’s Ministry of Commerce issued policy announcements in documents only accessible via domestic software last week.Alice Li (South China Morning Post)
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For the first time, China’s Ministry of Commerce issued policy announcements in documents only accessible via domestic software last week
There was a possibility to start sharing in a open format so everyone can read it. But they chose to use one even more closed then Microsofts format.
Russia and Ukraine are not black and white
Russia and Ukraine are not black and white
Replying to @AutieHippie https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMyYNbPX/TankieTube
Illinois and Chicago Filed a Lawsuit to Block Trump’s Deployment of Troops. The President Sent 400 Guardsmen From Texas to Several Cities, Vowing to “Restore Order”
Illinois and Chicago Filed a Lawsuit to Block Trump’s Deployment of Troops
The President Sent 400 Guardsmen From Texas to Several Cities, Vowing to “Restore Order”Stories Framing the Globe
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Who Benefits from Haiti’s Violence? - Haiti Liberte
Who Benefits from Haiti’s Violence? - Haiti Liberte
For over a year, Viv Ansanm, an armed neighborhood coalition which has formed itself into a political party, has been calling for peace. A whole year of begging for an end to the killings, proposing various agreements, reaching out to communities.Kervens Louissaint (Haiti Liberte)
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'I was kidnapped by Russia at 16': Thousands of children in Ukraine have been abducted during the war and sent by Russia for ‘re-education’. A new documentary film reveals the horrors they face.
cross-posted from: scribe.disroot.org/post/493125…
Archived versionHere you can see a trailer (3 min, scroll to the bottom of the page)
More about the film and upcoming events to watch across the globe are on the documentary's website: childreninthefire.com/
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Children in the Fire [is] a new documentary directed by Evgeny Afineevsky, a Russian-born, US-based film-maker whose previous works include Cries from Syria, about the Syrian civil war, and the Oscar-nominated Winter on Fire, which covered the 2013-14 Euromaidan protests in Ukraine. Along with horrifying stories of abduction and forced adoption, the new film also features children who have endured extensive burns, injuries and amputations since February 2022.
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The film includes footage of Putin stating that, “Wars are not won by generals, but rather by schoolteachers and priests.”
“He is saying that re-education is the key element of winning the war. And it applies not only to Ukrainian kids; it applies to the entirety of Russia. He is trying to create a sort of Hitler Youth movement.”
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Діти у вогні: фільм, що нагадує, чому світ має прокинутись - Вільні Медіа - Українська громада в США
Коли у великому залі кінотеатру гасне, на екрані з’являється дівчинка, яка дивиться в небо. Ми не чуємо обстрілів, вибухів, але за її поглядом – вага втрат, зруйнований дім, обірвані мрії.lukianselskyi (Вільні Медіа - Українська громада в США)
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+1, I get it.
I don't know how to say this inoffensively, but I think China (speaking broadly) has a cultural victim complex, which is understandable given their history.
And I think China and Russia governments stoke this victimization for political benefit, kinda like the US convervative movement is doing now.
Anyway, I think that leads to reflexive denial of their own atrocities as if its an abuser blaming a more enlightened victim. And as for the tankies actually outside of those countries, well... I don't really know.
I think part of it is younger people waking up to how propagandized our government has made them, and then swinging to the opposite side. Like "All that stuff the soviets or ccp said must have been true if so much of what our government said was a lie". I did something like that after leaving the evangelical church when I was 18. Strong to atheism before adopting a more open-minded approach with room for the fact that I can be very mistaken.
I understand the cultural victimization thing, and it is completely understandable. China is a very unique case, we can learn a lot from them, I just hope that we can come to respect each-other enough to learn from our advantages instead of one-upping our destructive tendencies. Chinese people are awesome, Americans are cool too. And each nation has an equal amount of uncool people. Progress could be easier if we could all be nationalistically humble. Course it would help if we didn't have a millenia-long history of just killing and taking what we want, that is a big phase to get out of.
EFF and Five Human Rights Organizations Urge Action Around Microsoft’s Role in Israel’s War on Gaza
cross-posted from: lazysoci.al/post/35741152
EFF and Five Human Rights Organizations Urge Action Around Microsoft’s Role in Israel’s War on Gaza
EFF and Five Human Rights Organizations Urge Action Around Microsoft’s Role in Israel’s War on Gaza
EFF, Access Now, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Fight for the Future, and 7amleh sent a letter to Microsoft last month calling on the company to cease any further involvement in providing AI and cloud computing technologies for use in Isr…Electronic Frontier Foundation
EFF and Five Human Rights Organizations Urge Action Around Microsoft’s Role in Israel’s War on Gaza
EFF and Five Human Rights Organizations Urge Action Around Microsoft’s Role in Israel’s War on Gaza
EFF, Access Now, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Fight for the Future, and 7amleh sent a letter to Microsoft last month calling on the company to cease any further involvement in providing AI and cloud computing technologies for use in Isr…Electronic Frontier Foundation
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French government collapses in 14 hours, deepening political crisis
PARIS, Oct 6 (Reuters) - France's new Prime Minister Sebastien Lecornu and his government resigned on Monday, hours after Lecornu announced his cabinet line-up, making it the shortest-lived administration in modern French history and deepening the country's political crisis.The unexpected resignation came after allies and foes alike threatened to topple the new government, with Lecornu saying that meant he could not do his job. The announcement drove stocks and the euro sharply lower.
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To give a bit of context :
- the previous government (prime minister and the other ministers) drafted a budget proposal last summer that was widely unpopular among the population and most deputies in the national assembly.
- the previous prime minister asked for a vote of confidence, lost the vote of confidence so the whole government resigned
- Macron appoints a new prime minister, this new prime minister promises a new policy line that will break with the old government.
- After 26 days, the new prime minister reveals the name of the new ministers that will form the new government. It's mostly the same names as before.
- 15 hours later he resigned, so the new government is dissolved.
DIY YouTuber builds cheap VR headset and makes it open-source
DIY YouTuber builds cheap VR headset and makes it open-source
DIY YouTuber CNCDan has uploaded a video of his latest project — a VR headset, which, besides the 3D-printed parts, cost him about $150. He also made all the resources needed for the project open source.Chibuike Okpara (Notebookcheck)
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and maybe more importantly hasn't delivered anything I'm aware of. In itself that's no big deal, startups do that, but it's definitely quite far from the initial openness debut.
Because you pay with data. Quest is the first device, where meta has full control over the Operation System, and even beyond.
You are forced to have a meta account to use it, IRCC
You did but not anymore :
- Go can be rooted officially
- Quest 1/2/3/3s can be used without account thanks to PrivateQuest
- Quest 3 v78 (not newer OS version) can be rooted via a hack
So yes, by default you are paying with data. In fact IMHO if possible one should not rely on Meta hardware. That being said if you get e.g. a 2nd hand Quest 2 or 3 and use it without an account then you might be providing little to no money to Meta and no data. It's not trivial but it's feasible. Arguably it's even easy for somebody who seriously consider such an endeavor of assembling their own HMD.
PS: Meta has access to the whole device but... they are not owning the OS itself, it's still an Android device. The OS is very much driven by Google. In fact it's quite interesting to consider that Meta failed to develop their own OS and that Google is shipping soon AndroidXR.
Way past its prime: how did Amazon get so rubbish?
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Agree with everything here.... but this isnt news
Half of the posts in this community are just opinion pieces...
We need to have some community standards.
We only use Amazon when its the only fulfillment option available. What I've noticed about amazon over the last 5+ years is that it feels like cable/broadcast TV ads do now.
In the rare case I end up watching TV with ads I find them so obnoxious and/or off-putting that I can't believe they actually sell anything. If anything they put me off the product. And that's how Amazon feels too.
How China waged an infowar against U.S. interests in the Philippines
- China hired Philippine firm that ran fake social media accounts.
- Accounts posted content aiming to disparage Western vaccines, Philippine maritime claims and its U.S. alliance
- Chinese embassy gave out cash awards to prominent Filipino officials and media personalities
- Beijing says it doesn't interfere in internal affairs of other countries
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Yeah, but who wasn't doing that to the Philippines? I mean the US was definitely doing that.
When my partner "came out" to me, they didn't really do much of anything to follow through and begin making changes. I think because there's so much to do and no guide to do it.
So one day we were at a loose end I said "let's just goto the hair dresser and you can ask them for an appropriate haircut"
And so our very lovely hairdresser became the 2nd person to learn their real name and did a fantastic job sorting out an appropriate hairstyle. Something that is still important to my partner now.
From being the first person they told about their transition IRL, to all the little times I've nudged and supported them taking the next step, it's been a joy and privilege to do that. I feel blessed by their trust and by being close to such beautiful change towards authenticity.
Inside China’s gigantic iPhone factory: long hours, discrimination and pay delays
Cross-posted from: lemmy.sdf.org/post/43530586
ArchivedChinese factory staff assembling Apple’s latest iPhone continue to face precarious conditions, working many hours of overtime, suffering wage delays and discrimination against ethnic minorities, according to a leading labour rights group.
China Labor Watch (CLW) found that more than half of the estimated 200,000 workers employed during peak season at the world’s largest iPhone factory run by Foxconn in Zhengzhou are seasonal staff known as “dispatch workers”. This is despite a Chinese law capping the use of such staff at 10 per cent of a company’s workforce.
US-based CLW, which specialises in undercover investigations of Chinese factories, also found that dispatch workers faced staggered payment schedules that withhold part of their wages to deter them from quitting during peak production.
These staff were not entitled to the same benefits as full-time employees, such as paid sick leave, paid holiday and social insurance that includes medical coverage and pension contributions. CLW also claimed that there is systematic discrimination in hiring certain ethnic minorities and pregnant women.
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"Despite Apple’s repeated pledges to improve conditions over the past decade, our investigation finds that core labour issues remain,” said Li Qiang, founder of CLW and author of the report released on Thursday.
"Apple’s supply chain continues to depend on a vast, disposable workforce.”
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Many of the workers interviewed added that conditions compared favourably with those of other local manufacturers, citing air conditioning, hot water, recreational facilities and canteen subsidies.
An economic downturn in China and rising youth unemployment have narrowed options for jobseekers. A 23-year-old who trained as a Chinese teacher said she had worked at Foxconn for two months: “If I can’t find another job, I might come back.”
But two of the people who spoke said Foxconn’s recruitment platform, which the agencies use to upload CVs, rejects applications from ethnic minorities, including Uyghurs, Tibetans, and Huis, who are not local to Henan.
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One worker who had been at the plant for more than a month said that she typically worked two and a half hours of overtime each day, six or seven days a week. “Some managers have bad attitudes,” she said. “We work hard, but they keep pushing and squeezing us.”
Inside China’s gigantic iPhone factory: long hours, discrimination and pay delays
Undercover investigation at Foxconn’s Zhengzhou plant shows tough conditions for seasonal staff building new Apple deviceEleanor Olcott (The Irish Times)
Maybe 20 years ago, but that hasn't been the case for awhile now. There's a reason textile manufacturing moved most of their operations to countries like Bangladesh where you can shove 1000 workers and 1000 sewing machines into an un-airconditioned building, and then skip town instead of paying your workers.
Manufacturing stays here because while unskilled labor is only very cheap instead of dirt cheap, China has cheaper inputs like electricity, materials, machinery, skilled labor, and access to the Chinese market.
Of course they still have a long way to go, but a median wage of 124K RMB (17K USD) isn't terrible when you can get a good meal for 10 RMB and rent a 2bd in most cities that aren't Beijing and Shanghai for 2000RMB/mo.
The report is about much more than 'only' the pay, but as you mention it: We must distinguish per capita disposable income from GDP per capita. GDP per capita calculates the total value of all goods and services produced in a country divided by the population, which doesn't reflect the income available to individual citizens and households.
For this reason we must look at the disposable income per capita, which measures the amount of money people can actually use, and we see a completely different picture.
In 2024, China’s national per capita disposable income reached RMB 41,314 (US$5,800 at the current rate), according to China's National Bureau of Statistics. Income disparities between urban and rural areas remain significant as already mentioned.
If it's true that you can "rent a 2bd in most cities that aren’t Beijing and Shanghai for 2000RMB/mo", you'd spend half of your disposable income on the rent (except in cities like Beijing and Shanghai, where you spend considerably more).
It is noteworthy that this data comes from official Chinese sources.
But again, the linked report clearly suggests that workers suffer wage delays, discrimination of minorities, are work overly long hours, and things like these. It's a devastating report on both Chinese working conditions and a U.S. company exploiting the local policy.
Median and average is not the same, the comparison doesn't make sense as you say yourself.
And it has nothing to do with the linked report. This is not only about pay. It's is essentially about poor workers' rights in China.
These are measures. What I 'think' they are is simply irrelevant.
But I think the linked report has nothing to do with this. It clearly suggests that Chinese workers suffer wage delays, discrimination of minorities, work overly long hours, and things like that. It’s a devastating report on both Chinese working conditions and a U.S. company exploiting the local policy.
I get 404 not found at that link.
That would be a HUGE median income jump. Which is sure is true although I'm very skeptical that the CCP is actually giving the real number instead of an inflated number (granted, the #s 10 years ago were probably similarly inflated so the increase % is probably close)
Blizzard strands 1,000 climbers on Mount Everest
Blizzard strands hundreds of climbers on Mount Everest
A snowstorm has pinned down climbers on the Tibetan side of Mount Everest. Tents were damaged just below the northern slope's base camp with casualties reported and rescue roads initially blocked.Jon Shelton (Deutsche Welle)
More than 350 trekkers escape blizzard-hit Everest, hundreds still stranded
More than 350 trekkers escape blizzard-hit Everest, hundreds still stranded
Rescued trekkers reach China’s Qudang township while 200 others still face treacherous Everest conditions awaiting help.Lyndal Rowlands (Al Jazeera)
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It is 100% overly wealthy, selfish people and the service workers they’ve trapped with them.
Spending thousands on gear, then going all the way to Nepal (a less developed country) to climb a mountain is the very definition of “overly wealthy.”
Nothing says “I don’t care about anyone else” like insisting on being the millionth tough guy to climb a mountain, just to say they did.
I think this should be part of the risk. Leave them up there and clean the bodies up when it thaws.
Additionally those are very important source of revenues for Nepalis…
Oh, that includes all of the equipment, flights, and transportation?
For one person, right? Comparing it to a family vacation proves my point. A douchebag insisting on going to a big mountain seems a little different than a family vacation…
I will never mind speaking in absolutes about this. If you care about going to Everest, you are a selfish asshole. Full stop. I don’t care that it’s affordable for you, that’s part of the problem.
I don’t care if the locals rely on the abuse, it’s still abuse.
Dude you have very weird and specific perspectives. To each their own doesn’t ring a bell? Is it an Everest specific issue or do you sell wholesale for other destinations as well?
Take that hait energy and make something positive out of it instead…
It’s actually ok to not like harmful things! It’s called having integrity.
Your arrogance is astounding.
My arrogance ? Sure is.. I’m the one judging everyone….
where do you draw the line of harmful things? We are by nature harmful things to a degree with all our activities…
This is not a valuable conversation, because I’ve already told you where I draw the line: somewhere BEFORE “I want to climb Everest.”
The fact that you can’t tell the difference between people traveling all the way to Everest and “everyone” makes me think you’re a bot or a troll.
Again, being judgmental is valuable, this conversation is not.
Billionaires shouldn’t exist, people shouldn’t go to Everest because they are insecure.
Not hard to understand. “But—” nothing.
Ok, you’re not even reading. Pathetic. I’ll block you now, bye!
Oh yeah there’s totally no difference between having a phone and going to Nepal to climb a mountain…
Genuinely: how fucking stupid are you?
I almost said computer but realized that couldn't be assumed. Fine, a phone is closer to a necessity.
There is still basically no difference between this and any other hobby that involves something manufactured by people in poor countries other than proximity to the people doing the labor. You are just mad that people who have either a bit or a lot more money for their hobbies have a hobby that doesn't appeal to you personally.
My whole point is that it is such a specific and hateful position… the guy should really chill down a bit.
At the very least I have an adopted brother over there that depends on tourists
That's the point, and that's why the guy is not "chill" about it.
Tourism is very much a colonial economy when there is income inequity. I am sorry that your adopted brother depends on tourists for income, but that does not justify the inequity.
If you were to hire a Sherpa in the Alps or Canada, you'd be paying a hell of a lot more for the privilege of the climb. So tell us again why these rich folks get away with paying so little...
When you make the argument that the locals depend on the income, you are also implying that it's OK the locals earn so little without these rich folks.
Nope, I’m not saying any of that. I’m just happy that he -specifically he who I very much know- can eat because some tourists pay him for his art. So in that frame it is not all negative.
Whatever the price is really, he comes from living in a monastery in India to going back to his home country and being able to sustain himself with that money.
System is not perfect but at least he eats.
If you worry about that you’ll have to consider all other inequalities in manufacturing as well… or in IT…. So why just that one example ?
You got that fucking backwards, sir.
One does not ask the oppressed to change the abusive relationship, one speaks to the pricks paying 50k to leave their actual feces and trash on a mountain to check a box.
Money alone won't get you up there. No matter how many Sherpa's you hire, it's brutal. People spends weeks and weeks at the various base camps just to acclimate, and that does nothing to add to their strength.
And yes they leave literal shit and O2 bottles. Carrying a few extra pounds on the way down could kill you. You have to give it nearly all you got to summit, then the descent is even more dangerous.
We could argue shutting down the mountain, but I've never heard of a solution to remove the trash. You have to carry it up, you can't carry it down.
Read Into Thin Air if you want to know more. I won't read it again, too brutal.
I read another headline earlier, something like "Blizzard strands 1000 people on Mt Everest."
And my early morning brain went "ugh Blizzard really is an awful company, going way too overboard with their promotional material." I wasn't even that surprised.
Now I see this headline and that earlier one makes more sense 😂
While it's tragic that the mountain is going to add to its death toll on this, the idea of people queued up on the world's tallest peak just for limited-time virtual merch, made me chuckle a bit.
After that all those years ago, I'm feel like stunts like that are far more plausible than ever.
Edit: I also keep forgetting about the stuff RedBull does these days...
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So che forse non dovrei farmi questo tipo di domande, perché con Nintendo da un lato è inutile, e dall’altro è pericoloso, lo sappiamo, la mafia, i ninja, wewe tu devi solo aggiocare non sia mai che ti preoccupi di qualcosa… però, dall’altra sera questa cosa non la riesco a mandare giù. Per quale cavolo […]
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niente gaming attraverso nintendo se si sta senza la u (non si può giocare quasi a niente su WiiU senza Gamepad)
So che forse non dovrei farmi questo tipo di domande, perché con Nintendo da un lato è inutile, e dall’altro è pericoloso, lo sappiamo, la mafia, i ninja, wewe tu devi solo aggiocare non sia mai che ti preoccupi di qualcosa… però, dall’altra sera questa cosa non la riesco a mandare giù. Per quale cavolo di motivo su Wii U, se non si vuole usare il Gamepad, si può praticamente fare appena un decimo del gaming altrimenti possibile, a giudicare a occhio? 😐Putiamo il caso, giusto per fare un esempio, che voi siate me… ok, no, non serve andare così in là. Putiamo magari il caso che il Gamepad sia scarico — situazione plausibile, visto che tutti i controller Nintendo wireless drenano malamente da spenti se hanno batterie collegate, e con il Gamepad una carica dura poco gaming, quindi in pochi anni la batteria si degrada parecchio con questo giochetto di scarica e ricarica, finendo per durare sempre di meno — e non si voglia sclerare per ricaricarlo in quel momento. Oppure, ancora, magari si vorrebbe giocare con un comando più compatto e leggero in quel momento, per comodità o quel che è… ma no. 🥱
Oh, io posso accettare che non si possano usare le impostazioni della console, o il browser web, o il che cavolo ne so, senza il Gamepad (nonostante non ci sia alcuna ragione tecnica per cui quei malati di Nintendo non potessero implementare il supporto completo a qualsiasi controller nelle app e nei menu…), ma il punto è che un sacco di giochi sono completamente inagibili! E non solo quei giochi gnammy basati interamente attorno al Gamepad, come per esempio Nintendo Land (che io possiedo in copia fisica, supergnammy), ma anche altri che proprio non capisco perché siano in questa situazione.🎳
Non posso dare troppi esempi specifici, perché non ho provato ogni singolo gioco immaginabile, bensì ho provato giusto ad aprire vari titoli alla bene e meglio, ma di cose assurde ce n’è una varietà infinita. Molti giochi che semplicemente non partono proprio senza il Gamepad collegato, facendo comparire un popup nel menu home… altri che si avviano, ma subito chiedono che sia collegato il Gamepad; giusto qualcuno concede almeno il Pro Controller, ma il Wiimote quasi mai… e altri ancora, principalmente quelli di terze parti (ma non solo eh, anche Nintendo ha cagato qui), che sembrano partire normalmente, ma poi non rispondono a nessun comando; di nuovo, almeno non con i Wiimote, al massimo con il Pro Controller. Poteva andare anche peggio di così, a pensarci, eh… ma ciò non significa che la situazione non sia brutta. 😾
La cosa veramente peggiore poi è che, quando una app finisce in questo stato per cui internamente, e non al menu home, chiede che il Gamepad sia collegato per proseguire, oppure semplicemente non dice niente, i controller alternativi non supportati sono spesso disconnessi e non si ricollegano più… quindi, in tal caso, l’unico modo per chiudere cosa si è avviato è spegnere la console col tastino, da vicino (o, se, come nel mio caso, il tastino è stronzino, scollegare e riattaccare il cavo di alimentazione… sigh). Se invece il controller non supportato è il Wiimote, e rimane collegato, collegando il Pro Controller ovviamente questo finirà come G2… ma diversi giochi così non lo leggono, quindi va pure cambiato a mano l’ordine. C’è da impazzire nello sperare di semplicemente giocare alla mordi e fuggi, insomma!!! ☠️I giochi ufficiali che ho visto sicuramente funzionare almeno col solo Wiimote, per ora, sono meno di 10… wow, che palle. Li metto qui, assieme ad un’altra lista che ho trovato, ed eventualmente quelli che non funzionano che ugualmente segnerò, poi, se non mi secco: memos.octt.eu.org/m/eBqVHkeFgE…. Poi, a intuito, credo ci siano i giochi Virtual Console NES che funzionano, ma non ne ho nessuno, mentre SNES e GBA vogliono almeno il Pro Controller, e quelli DS il Gamepad; e i giochi originali Wii ovviamente fanno testo a parte. 🔪
Vabbè, basta: a questo punto non si gioca, si rotta. Anche perché poi al Wii U piace in generale dare comunque sempre le sue rogne che rubano tempo e fanno incazzare, come tutti i freeze e i softlock che a caso capitano per via di glitch software (anche su console non moddate, figurarsi), e non c’è niente da fare. (Però… semmai questo rottame non mi muore, ed eventualmente non muore neanche il vostro, ricordo che qui ci sono i miei codici amico per fare il gaming attraverso la rete… magari è meno miserabile.) 💥
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BroBot9000
in reply to mesa • • •Google can go fuck itself.
Hopefully this will put some jet fuel into the Linux phone development.
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in reply to BroBot9000 • • •I'm checking out Graphene OS next week and pretty pumped about it. This Google ratfucking has been just the push I need to get off Android.
And obviously I haven't stopped telling people around me haha
Mihies
in reply to grrgyle • • •SaharaMaleikuhm
in reply to grrgyle • • •tal
in reply to SaharaMaleikuhm • • •I don't see why it would need to be affected.
The constraint to require a valid signing isn't something imposed by the license on the Android code. If you want to distribute a version of Android that doesn't check for a registered signature, that should work fine.
I mean, the Graphene guys could impose that constraint. But they don't have to do so.
I think that there's a larger issue of practicality, though. Stuff like F-Droid works in part because you don't need to install an alternative firmware on your phone --- it's not hard to install an alternate app store with the stock firmware. If suddenly using a package from a developer that isn't registered with Google requires installing an alternate firmware, that's going to severely limit the potential userbase for that package.
Even if you can handle installing the alternate firmware, a lot of developers probably just aren't going to bother trying to develop software without being registered.
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SMillerNL
in reply to tal • • •But if Graphene chooses not to do this, they diverge from the Android project. Which will take more time to maintain the project which will ultimately lead to more developers burning out and dropping out of the project.
It doesn’t need to be affected, but most open source projects don’t have the resources to keep going against big companies when most of their users aren’t contributing.
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in reply to tal • • •iopq
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SMillerNL
in reply to iopq • • •But I do know that users of open source projects expecting changes to come out of thin air, and filing bugs when they don’t, is hurting the volunteers behind open source projects.
So we should all make sure to volunteer some of our own time or money to keep the projects we love going, instead of just expecting them to fix the things we dislike.
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in reply to SMillerNL • • •Arcka
in reply to tal • • •I don't think most developers who are putting their Open-Source apps on F-Droid have any minimum user threshold.
grrgyle
in reply to SaharaMaleikuhm • • •azuth
in reply to SaharaMaleikuhm • • •Straight from the horse's mouth. The rest of the post is a good reminder that GrapheneOS are morons.
But why would you lie about this?
other8026
in reply to SaharaMaleikuhm • • •ChilledPeppers
in reply to grrgyle • • •Graphene is bult on top of android AOSP, which is owned by google... And of course they are fucking it over.
Check calyxos.org s recent blog posts, it is basically dying (and graphene is the same)
tate
in reply to ChilledPeppers • • •ChilledPeppers
in reply to tate • • •calyxos.org/news/2025/06/11/an…
Thats what I was referring to, but yeah, that is also a thing.
Android 16 and Pixel Support
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in reply to ChilledPeppers • • •cley_faye
in reply to grrgyle • • •For mobile phones that works as a daily driver? Gobbling up iOS. Or gobbling up what's becoming of Android.
I really wish we had open phones that "just work". I'd even go with slightly quirky but functional. Unfortunately, that requires strong cooperation between hardware maker and software developers; and it will require a lot of work. But that's not the main issue. The direction we're headed toward is "everything need an official app", and those will mostly only work on "official" phones made by big manufacturers.
Even today, making some bank apps work on non vanilla Android is not always straightforward, and it's still relatively open and easy to do. The move by Google is going to tighten this even more, and I have no doubt, if they pull through, that this will go in the requirements for the "play protect" validation BS. Meaning if you want that bank app, or whatever state digital ID app (meh) to work, you'll need a "real" Android or an iOS device. And those apps are becoming more and more mandatory (I can't log-in to my bank's online website without their app and proprietary 2FA…).
A niche, open-source OS, Linux or modified AOSP or whatever, will have a hard time filling that gap as things keep moving. Which is really sad.
undrwater
in reply to ChilledPeppers • • •Prathas
in reply to undrwater • • •undrwater
in reply to Prathas • • •en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Han…
Google doesn't "own" Android. They (and the OHA) are the maintainers. AOSP is open source.
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ReginaPhalange
in reply to grrgyle • • •Most F-Droid users are NOT custom ROMs.
This means that as long as F-Droid does not get their own developer key - it will become useless.
F-Droid is privacy focused - both dev and user, and they oppose requiring devs to essentially give up their privacy and sign the APK with their own dev key.
Now, if F-Droid is dead, GrapheneOS becomes useless. Who would want to develop apps for the 0.0001% of the population (i.e custom ROM users)
ChillPill
in reply to ReginaPhalange • • •This.
I am the person you are talking about. I've looked into graphene before and I do host some of my own services at home. I also work full time and I don't want to spend all of my free time managing things. I use F-Droid, but I am on stock android on my pixel.
I appreciate the privacy and FOSS nature of F-Droid, but I use things like Android auto Google maps for work, I use banking apps on my phone as well. I know technically micro G and blah blah blah, but like I said: work full time.
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in reply to ChillPill • • •other8026
in reply to ReginaPhalange • • •𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
in reply to BroBot9000 • • •Google would much rather go fuck you.
Tollana1234567
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in reply to BroBot9000 • • •railwhale
in reply to katy ✨ • • •Shizuku provides this fully on-device for android 10 or 11 and above, and droid-ify supports using shizuku to install apps.
The one main downside is that it only works when you're connected to wifi.
GitHub - RikkaApps/Shizuku: Using system APIs directly with adb/root privileges from normal apps through a Java process started with app_process.
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in reply to mesa • • •Mika
in reply to Kokesh • • •crumpted
in reply to Mika • • •All APKs will need a valid Google developer signature.
Doesn't matter if it's installed from GitHub or F-Droid, no signature, no installation.
Mika
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in reply to Kokesh • • •radix
in reply to Kokesh • • •I haven't used revanced in a while, but Fennic + ubo + sponsor block should get you to basically the same place unless they've added new features since I used it last.
No separate app required.
crumpted
in reply to Kokesh • • •All APKs will require a signed developer certificate.
I doubt they will be signing keys for developers who circumvent Google's services, or that violate their ToS.
They're copying this scheme from Apple in Europe, when it was forced to allow other app stores.
In that case, Apple revoked certificates for apps it didn't like, such as P2P/torrents. Mind you, these were NOT apps that were not hosted on Apple's App Store.
DeathByBigSad
in reply to crumpted • • •But ADB bypasses it.
(for now, at least)
PhAzE
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in reply to Gumus • • •kernelle
in reply to Kokesh • • •They're doing the same thing Apple has been doing for years, I used to run a self-signing application which ran every week or so by itself.
Workarounds are going to exist plenty, it's just a slap in the face. Especially because the Play Store is filled with malware. Apple's strict rules are horrible for developers, but at least it's not as riddled with malware.
themurphy
in reply to mesa • • •BigFig
in reply to themurphy • • •sleen
in reply to BigFig • • •Big gov and big corp are essentially the same thing. And while the people jump ship to be at the mercy of the "better side", the elites are sharing a cocktail in secret.
The scale still remains, however one side tilted more so than the other.
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in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •themurphy
in reply to BigFig • • •Luckily it's not the same body in the EU who's in charge of enforcing AND setting up proposals.
The EU is not a "one opinion" government body.
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in reply to themurphy • • •themurphy
in reply to Zak • • •They usually sue if the practice doesnt stop for over a year. They do send warnings before anything official comes out FYI.
But I dont know if they want to do anything though. No one but them and Apple knows for sure.
takeda
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in reply to mesa • • •tal
in reply to ravachol • • •That's actually a really interesting question.
I understand that Apple takes issue with packages that can themselves "take packages". But historically, I don't believe that Google has. Of course, Google also hasn't done the registration thing historically, either.
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Mistic
in reply to melfie • • •You don't need a credit card for a dev account. You do, however, need to have a "business" attached. Luckily, that business they're asking for doesn't need to be verified, so it can be just a random string of letters.
Still bs that you have to go through all of that just to install apps you want.
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mesa
in reply to Kairos • • •Just about. There used to be more, but if im honest, if it works in iOS then its a decent experience most of the time.
But my custom apps makes or breaks my phone. Its so convenient.
Ill probably get a uconsole or something. Or keep my current phone til all this blows over.
Kairos
in reply to mesa • • •iOS is infinitely more polished than Android. It's rather stable and at least the main notification system isn't that bad for privacy.
Edit: I want to inquire: what exactly is wrong about my comments. Android is a piece of shit. iOS is a piece of shit. iOS is smoother because Apple can engineer the parts more smoothly. Android lets you run software. I hate them both but I need to run Termux.
mesa
in reply to Kairos • • •Its terrible for security haha. We were able to 0 day it a couple of times without trying all that hard. So many CVEs that are repeatable. I wil admit the UI is phenominally better (in my opinion). And the official apps (as long as you dont want to do something specific) are perfect at what they do.
Android is a bit better but you can exploit it because people dont update their phones. Google is actually VERY good at keep those up to date...but if no one updates, its kinda a wash.
Again my opinion, im not too attached to either. They both suck in their own unique ways. #1 is you have to use their tool sets which is unique instead of any other computer system. Its such a hassle to keep up with as a software developer.
Kairos
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in reply to mesa • • •R00bot
in reply to Kairos • • •Really depends which spin of Android you have. I have a Nothing Phone 2 and the OS is arguably more polished than on my SO's iPhone 14, which frequently has bugs, lag, and crashes. You can't really generalise about Android when there are so many versions of it.
That being said I'll probably be looking into Linux phones in the next few years because I'm tired of corporations trying to control my devices.
Kairos
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in reply to Attacker94 • • •Attacker94
in reply to Kairos • • •Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see what phone you have in that post.
Could you clarify?
R00bot
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in reply to markko • • •markko
in reply to Kairos • • •I wasn't denying the fact that you're experiencing this issue, but since this is the first I've heard of something this bad in my 3 years of using GrapheneOS, this does appear to be a fairly unique case.
Provided you are using an otherwise well-functioning and currently supported device (and not an emulator), and that you are using a stable release installed via an official method (and there were no install issues), your best bet would be to ask for help in one of the community chats or forums:
grapheneos.org/contact#communi…
You will be asked to share which device you are using though, which you did not seem comfortable doing in the post you linked to.
Unrelated, but I learned about the Android "task manager" (Running Services) from that post of yours, so thanks for sharing that.
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in reply to markko • • •markko
in reply to Kairos • • •Yeah that unfortunately seems to be the only option if you don't want to completely reset your device or remove apps one at a time to find the culprit. And there's no guarantee either of those will work anyway.
I've actually found a small number other users reporting a similar issue, though dev responses all seem to believe the issue is likely caused by apps rather than the OS. The fact that the issue is exclusive to GrapheneOS doesn't appear to have swayed them into looking into it unfortunately.
If I were in your position I'd probably use the Auto Reboot setting so at least you don't have to do it manually every day. It reboots after a specified number of hours without an unlock, so it's ideal for when you're asleep.
Kairos
in reply to markko • • •markko
in reply to Kairos • • •I guess it depends on the specific apps we use. Some can be pretty massive, but I have heaps of APKs that are <30MB, and even several that are <1MB.
Maybe a couple of large enough apps could be the issue if you always have them open, or if they are running services on your phone.
sunth1ef
in reply to Kairos • • •Kairos
in reply to sunth1ef • • •"It works on my machine"
The fact of the matter is that Android is hacked on top of Linux and there's endless problems because of it. One part is that there's no task manager and system apps eat up well over half my memory which means that once I open one app, the other needs to be immediately evicted from RAM
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in reply to Kairos • • •Fuck google and every piece of shit implementing this for them.
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BitingChaos
in reply to Kairos • • •I was able to set custom APN settings on my Pixel to bypass the tethering block that MetroPCS puts on their cheapest plan.
There is nothing in iOS that lets you do that.
I also can't run WiFi scanners on iOS.
And Android will still have ADB sideloading. On iOS I have to run shit like Sideloadly to re-sign applications every 7 days.
If you're a true Android fan, there is still a lot to keep you on the platform.
Kairos
in reply to BitingChaos • • •SaharaMaleikuhm
in reply to Kairos • • •Get a fairphone, install Ubuntu touch and stop rolling over like a good little dog.
Kairos
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in reply to Kairos • • •What custom software is this?
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in reply to expr • • •CerebralHawks
in reply to mesa • • •And their flagship costs more than the iPhone 17 Pro but has performance closer to the iPhone 11 and they still sell your data off the back end.
Android was a fine alternative to iOS for a minute… like in 2012 with the Galaxy S3 and Jellybean. Now? I don’t get it. You pay more, you get less, all because — what? Gmail was once cool?
They took your headphone jack. They took your memory card slot. They took your back button. (Anyone remember the menu button?) Now they’re taking sideloading.
What is even the point of Android? It isn’t freedom. I see it as capitulation to Big Data.
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in reply to BassTurd • • •BassTurd
in reply to yeahiknow3 • • •I'm not sure where the thought that it's clunky comes from, but the advantage to me is that I like the Android OS way more the the Apple OS. I don't care about integration across devices because I don't have more than one android device. Anytime I switch phones I login and everything loads in from my latest back up and it just works. I can connect to my computer with KDE connect or plug in with USB C if needed.
I'm not claiming it's a better functioning product, I'm just saying the Android UX > Apple UX. The pixel has the advantage of flashing something like grapheneOS which no iPhones can do. Even with locking down side loading apps, there is still more freedom on Android devices than there are on iOS.
Also, I don't like the feel of iPhones. I'm sure it's something I would get used to, but it's not my first choice.
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in reply to BassTurd • • •I agree about Graphene OS, of course.
I’ve used Android since launch and occasionally switched back and forth with iOS. One of my main complaints is in virtue of Android’s versatility, which makes it less reliable and straightforward to use — no integrated password manager, no easy wireless connection to external computers, less smooth and pleasant (and easy) to use. Honestly, I’m just lazy. I want my text messages and calls migrated to my computer automatically, screen sharing, file sharing, passwords and security codes populating instantly, and so on.
markko
in reply to yeahiknow3 • • •I'm the complete opposite with respect to wanting all of those apps and features built into the OS, but I understand that's what most people seem to want, which is largely why iPhones are so popular.
To me, all of that built-in stuff is bloatware that I have to remove just so I can use whichever software I want.
I'll take a bit of jank if it means I have the freedom to do what I want on my device (and choose a device with the specs that matter to me within my budget). That's why so many people are upset at this news.
The Apple ecosystem is perfectly suitable for the needs you described, and it's not something Google will be able to match due to their lack of a real competitor in the desktop OS market. Microsoft had their chance with the Windows Phone but, knowing Windows, I doubt it would ever have had the same level of polish as iOS.
JustARaccoon
in reply to yeahiknow3 • • •CerebralHawks
in reply to BassTurd • • •What about it is better? Honest question, from someone who uses both.
So yeah, on Android you can do a little more with home screen customisation. It used to be a lot more — I can't believe it took Apple how many years to figure out how to place an icon to the right of or below an open space? It's closer now, they both steal from each other, but you can do a lot more. My Android phone is partly a cosplay prop: it's a real-life NookPhone, from Animal Crossing. My icons are huge, they're the ones from the game, but they open real apps, and they're in a 3x3 grid. Definitely can't do that on iOS. But I don't need that on my daily driver. And many people say — and I'm inclined to agree — that when an app is on both, it's better on iOS due to fewer hardware configurations to support.
Also, we have Delta, the emulator that backs everything up to, ironically, Google Drive. So I can show you this app on my iPhone. I can also AirDrop you any game I have. Long press, share, AirDrop, find your iPhone, you open it with the same app, you got it now. Super easy. But I can also uninstall the app, it removes all the files and whatnot. I can go into Files, double check all my games are gone. Saves, all of it. Then I reinstall it. Nothing... but as soon as I sign into Google Drive, it re-downloads everything. I just wish the emulator ran on the Mac, too — I'd have cross-device sync. Also, the emulator is Nintendo only, no PlayStation, no Sega, nothing like that.
And then the privacy issue. I think it's wild so few people care about their private information being sold. Then again, Facebook, TikTok, and others are huge. So I might be the outlier caring about that. But I still do.
PhAzE
in reply to CerebralHawks • • •And all those things were "taken" because they followed apple's lead who took all those things first. Losing sideload capability is yet another fallow the leader act they're doing to be like apple.
As for more expensive, disagree there. That's only the case if you go with high end sansung phones, but you can get android phones for much cheaper with still decent hardware, and it (currently) can do all the things apple does. You cant buy a cheaper apple 17 then the 2 models they give you. Also the hardware differences are so minor between Samsung and Apple, its laughable to call one "better" so your ppst really comes off like a fanboy talking about something you dont understand.
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in reply to PhAzE • • •Actually, the first phone to do a lot of things was actually an Android — good and bad! The first fingerprint reader, I think may have been the Motorola Bionic? But it was like an electric razor, it had these things you roll your finger across. It was weird. Not like what we have now. Likewise, I'm pretty sure an Android phone was the first one to pull the headphone jack. It was just because Apple did it right when they brought out the AirPods that people cried foul (rightly so). Memory card? Apple never supported them (they're too slow), and Android phones famously didn't support them... I think the Nexus phones? Pixel too. I don't think any Google-branded phone had a memory card slot.
More expensive does include the foldables, and you can't say they don't count because they exist. I wouldn't count the diamond-crusted Android phones, those are super limited edition. But anyone can go buy a fold or a flip, so they have to be considered. Right now the top iPhone costs $2000 in the US. It's a 2TB iPhone 17 Pro Max. Android gets higher, albeit with folds, but it does get higher, and the performance isn't any better.
As far as Samsung specifically: the chip in the Galaxy S25 is faster than the one in the iPhone 16 Pro/Max, but it also loses more power when it throttles for getting too hot. That really only means anything in high-end gaming, though. For day-to-day usage the Samsung will clock higher. It's only going to get 3-4 years of support though, if that, and they still sell your private information. You can't even use Samsung Health without agreeing to let them sell your private medical data (whatever you put in it). So no, it can't do everything an iPhone can do. It can't keep your medical information private, which is enshrined in law in many countries, but if you agree to let them sell it, that goes out the window. Why would you give that up when you don't have to?
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in reply to MrSmith • • •HarkMahlberg
in reply to CerebralHawks • • •Are we talking the nebulous They, the royal They, or do you mean "Android took your headphone jack?" Because uhh,
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Tollana1234567
in reply to CerebralHawks • • •azuth
in reply to CerebralHawks • • •Delusional apple fanboy.
I don't need a my phone to be a 'flagship'. I am not an influencer. I also wonder what loads are you running on a phone that you meet performance issues.
You can get an android with microSD and 3.5mm jack for 250€.
You can still run all the software you want. Adblockers, torrent clients, emulators, even... browsers! There will still be new android phones that won't suffer those limitations. They will also be cheaper than iphones.
Don't get me wrong android is in a bad trajectory, it's true that's Google has been enshitificating as much as it can get away with. It's still light years ahead of iOS.
If anybody cares for privacy or control of their devices, saving Android, even in alternative versions/vendors, is a much more viable option than switching to iPhone.
ruplicant
in reply to mesa • • •this seems to be going the shittitest direction it could...fuck Google
ps: loving the apple simps coming out to claim iPhones aren't perfect just because you can't "sideload" lool
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in reply to mesa • • •Thankfully I have root, I'll just simply hook into it runtime via Xposed to bypass this nonsense.
Seriously anyone who doesn't have root on their Android devices these days and age, well may Google have mercy on you lol
undrwater
in reply to Eagle0110 • • •Eagle0110
in reply to undrwater • • •Recent AOSP repo added lines of code to Package Installer to handle enforcing restricting whether Package Installer installs an APK file or not based on dev signatures, as well as denying installation if internet isn't available so it can't contact Google's servers for dev signature verification.
So this is enforced by Package Installer, which is already how Google enforces their ridiculous minimal SDK version requirement for installing APK packages, as well as for blocking app update with an APK package with mismatched signature or blocking downgrading an existing app with an APK package, which I already have bypassed via Xposed this way.
Besides, rooting gives YOU total control over your own device like when you have sudo on Linux, even if Google tries some new BS there will be a way to counter it when you have root
REDACTED
in reply to Eagle0110 • • •I used to root every phone, but by 2025 I've given up. Hard to unlock bootloaders, random apps (especially banking) thinking you will get hacked and stops working, the entire community around rooting and mods is like 10% of what it used to me, hardly any modern phone still gets custom roms, etc.. Recently saw some statistic about custom roms - on average, around 50 phones 5-8 years ago had support for custom roms. By 2025, that number has fallen to 4.
Android is not what it used to be
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Eagle0110
in reply to REDACTED • • •You said it like banking apps will be happy to work with a Linux phone lol, the banks always have their interests inherently conflict with user control anyway. And rooting and getting a custom ROM (one which exists or otherwise) are two completely different things that have nothing to do with each other, and you shouldn't support manufecturers who choose to make it difficult to unlock bootloader anyway.
By 2025, rooting still empowers you to make your own Android device however you like it to be.
Also not many people care about custom ROM these days because Android stock ROM got much better in average, so there's much less a need for creating a brand new ROM just to get basic features. Why making a brand new ROM instead of modding the pretty good one you already have now. And root empowered ROM modding tools that are developed as Magisk module or Xposed modules still have a pretty big community, there's a long list of pretty big repos with hundreds of modules each, and with how sophisticated Magisk and Lsposed have evolved it's easier than ever to write your own mods
Y|yukichigai
in reply to Eagle0110 • • •Eagle0110
in reply to Y|yukichigai • • •XDA is dead, and you just described one of the symptoms of a forum being dead.
That said there are still a small amount of people posting detailed posts for rooting Xperia phones, for how to flash OS updates with unlocked bootloader without losing your user data, for how to bypass carrier restrictions to get international model to work with the 5G bands in the US via build.conf edit and baseband flashing, etc. There are perks of a community being small and niche, and I guess not everyone is brained washed by Samsung's propaganda they use to justify permanently locked bootloader on their phones lol
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in reply to Prathas • • •He's not wrong in a way. If ADB is overwhelmingly used and "undesirable" apps (vanced and "streaming apps") don't see any drop in support or usage, or if governments see a massive number using this to fly under the surveillance radar, they'll restrict ADB too...
Likely they'll pull what Meta did and make everyone who wants to enable "developer mode" will actually need to prove they are indeed, a developer.
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in reply to mesa • • •I was about to switch to android but ended up with another iPhone because of Google killing the only reasons to use android.
I like my air but I’m still waiting for what I really want. A viable Linux phone.
SaharaMaleikuhm
in reply to muusemuuse • • •You people have zero logical consistency and I've seen so many such comments on reddit. I want to pick your brain and figure out how you can roll over THAT easily for corpos.
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in reply to SaharaMaleikuhm • • •FreedomAdvocate
in reply to scratchee • • •azuth
in reply to scratchee • • •Because one walled garden does not exist yet.
Because it's possible to get around the proposed walled garden.
Because there are android manufacturers that ship phones that are not going to be affected by this.
But no lets just promote the whole iOS and Android are 100% the same (not Apple and Google, those are the same) and give up on fighting those changes.
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scratchee
in reply to azuth • • •I’m all for supporting an alternative, however it’s done.
But between the google walled garden and the apple one, I slightly prefer the apple one for having marginally better privacy.
Though as a dev with dev accounts for both, I already can run whatever the hell I want on my own devices, so i admit to having no real skin in that game.
azuth
in reply to scratchee • • •Apple's walled garden vs Google's future wall garden is a false dilemma.
scratchee
in reply to azuth • • •muusemuuse
in reply to SaharaMaleikuhm • • •I was looking at a pixel fold running grapheneOS. Google is making changes that I dislike and realistically cannot avoid so why jump ship from my existing walled garden into one that’s just now starting to from, with even worse privacy and a business model totally dependent on violating as much of your privacy as possible?
The future of graphene and other third party roms is uncertain but I needed to upgrade my phone. My screen was cracked but usable but once I remove it to replace the battery I won’t be able to reinstall the single piece of glass and by that point I’m halfway to a new phone anyway.
For now, I’m okay with my air, but I know me and Apple are on not going to be together long term. I’m pulling off the cloud and breaking up dependancies one by one so, but as far as phones go, there isn’t a viable option quite yet. It’s definitely coming but it’s not here yet.
We need to break free from both Apple AND Google. Borrowing from Google to make another rom but still being dependent on them to keep your project alive and supported is no longer an option. We need a clean break away from them.
I can foresee a phone-like pocket computer running Linux that doesn’t have cellular capabilities at all. American cell phone companies weren’t crazy about supporting windows phone a many even blocked them from joining their networks. We are starting to see the same shit with Linux phones now. But most people don’t need data everywhere. There’s wifi where people like me actually use it. And so I can see a market for a voip service for phones that lets you use them like mobile landlines. For simple texts, a network of Lora packet radios would suffice and reticulum seems to be up the task of serving that need.
Costs are increasing and our dependance on these devices are changing so not every problem we have with Linux phones will need to be solved by the time that such devices get off the ground. We have options for tomorrow.
But today, the iPhone air was fine for me.
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in reply to muusemuuse • • •I am eyeing the Jolla C2. Gonna use GrapheneOS for as long as possible, but if all else fails I will use the shittiest Linux phone over this Google/Apple nightmare.
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fnrir
in reply to Carlos Solís • • •Shizuku?
EDIT: I didn't notice it was mentioned already. XDD
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in reply to mesa • • •Wispy2891
in reply to mesa • • •Found the 91 Google employees
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Wispy2891
in reply to mesa • • •Can someone "redpilled by corporate" explain me how this policy actually increase security?
It's trivial for a malware developer to pay $25 with a stolen card and a stolen id
Look at the "verified" bots on xitter, they didn't solve the bots problem, rather just monetized it
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in reply to Wispy2891 • • •Wispy2891
in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •FreedomAdvocate
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •You don’t think Google have better tech than banks?
Oh boy. You have no idea how old and bad the underlying tech that banks work on is.
Reginald_T_Biter
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •General_Effort
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •Google is doing this to comply with EU regulations supposed to increase security. Now imagine that Google was pushing back against this instead of complying. As per usual, Lemmy would be up in arms against Google for failing to protect people's data and not complying with our laws and culture. You'd be downvoted to oblivion for asked that question and called a corporate bootlicker.
I think these rules come from German legal culture, which traditionally has a strong need to control information exchange and processing.
Wispy2891
in reply to General_Effort • • •General_Effort
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •I'm sure the EU is not the only jurisdiction demanding this sort of thing, but I doubt Singapore has the pull needed to get Google to move.
Brussels effect. Imagine Google were to still allow unverified apps in the US. Most devs would still opt for verification so as not to lose the EU market. The proportion of malware is probably going to be higher among the few remaining unverified apps. Sooner or later, some US scam victims would sue Google for failing to protect them like it protects Europeans. Hard to refute.
killeronthecorner
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •The vast majority of malware isn't delivered via play store because of the existing measures and protections they have. Same reason you see very little app-store-based malware on iOS. DISCLAIMER: YES MALWARE EXISTS ON APPLE HARDWARE PLEASE DON'T SHOUT AT ME. Talking specifically about anything installed via first party stores on both platforms.
Their main issue is this: dumb people install apks from spurious website and infect their phones. The least controllable and most pervasive factor here is the intelligence and knowledge of the user which cannot be controlled for by Google. So by eliminating the ability to exploit this entirely, it will eliminate that specific vector.
It's a sledgehammer solution that naturally comes with many downsides like disrupting intelligent and knowledgeable users that just want to hack around with FOSS and such.
Google is relying on It being too expensive for malware creators to have to guide each individual user through adb installation and usage process just to get access to their phone. Most scammers only do that level of interaction to extract actual cash/gift cards from the target.
I am personally and directly affected by their decision in many negative ways, but I'm not so dense as to not understand why they're doing it.
/corpodronespeak
EDIT: bots help Xitter maintain inflated usage figures which justify people's jobs, share prices, etc. Bots are a feature, not a bug.
Wispy2891
in reply to killeronthecorner • • •yes, of course malware is distributed via apk.
But what's the difference between:
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Isn't exactly the same stuff? Or there's someone that is actually thinking that criminals will use their real ID card for the verification?
Does not change anything for malware distribution, except bother them for a dozen minutes meanwhile they "verify" their stolen ID
killeronthecorner
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •Because it can be invalidated. That's the difference.
It's absolutely not foolproof, but nothing is. Most actions corps take for this stuff only slows down the spread. Hackers and bad actors innovate way faster than companies can keep up with. So companies cast a wide net with their solutions. And the cycle continues.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
in reply to killeronthecorner • • •killeronthecorner
in reply to Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In • • •Wispy2891
in reply to Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In • • •with the new system, you must go online to check if the license for that app is still valid or revoked. But the current system works almost the same: if there's an internet connection play protect checks the signature against an online malware db and prevents installation.
From a couple years ago, google has the power to remotely install/uninstall any apk on your phone without your consent
prole
in reply to killeronthecorner • • •No they don't. Most people don't even know what an apk even is.
killeronthecorner
in reply to prole • • •Most people don't know what a bootloader is. They still turn their devices on and off every day.
This whole conversation is about adding obstacles to prevent non technical users from doing things they don't fully understand.
prole
in reply to killeronthecorner • • •killeronthecorner
in reply to prole • • •Yes you're right. If they knew, it would likely come with the knowledge that, if someone asks you to do this, you're probably being scammed.
That's what makes them most vulnerable to these kinds of scams.
KuroiKaze
in reply to prole • • •rumba
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •It's not about stopping malware; it's about being able to act on malware.
Making a new account with a new phone number and new credit card is a minor barrier to entry.
That said, it's a cool story, but I think they're looking to stop vanced style patching.
Carlos Solís
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •brucethemoose
in reply to mesa • • •Man, I miss my jailbroken iPhone 5.
It was like having your cake and eating it, and somehow its stock (much less tweaked) UI is less clunky than whatever TF Apple has done to my discount 16. Maybe it’s because I was using Android in between, but still…
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in reply to excral • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to excral • • •Google will become the exact same as apple, third party stores are technically "allowed", but requires Google's official stamp (digital signature), it's same with Apple. Its probably legal since Apple is already like this.
A corporation like Epic Games will be left alone since they can afford lawyers. An open source volunteer dev making a Youtube alternative client will get their certificates revoked under dubious "ToS Violation" claims and they won't have money to sue.
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in reply to Suavevillain • • •dug my pinephone out of a drawer yesterday and gave it a whirl. still pretty rough unfortunately even after updating postmarket os.
Cool being able to SSH into my phone though
Suavevillain
in reply to PrettyFlyForAFatGuy • • •PrettyFlyForAFatGuy
in reply to Suavevillain • • •tbh part of the rough experience for me may be down to the hardware. the ubports version of the pinephone i have is quite low power. 2GB memory and a little ARM Cortex-A53
tis sluggish
tempest
in reply to Suavevillain • • •The main issue will be application support.
Linux running on the desktop in 2025 is helped immensely by everything being web based. So long as you have a browser you are fine for a lot of general computing.
The phone space is ruled by apps. The phone makers and the companies developing apps prefer it this way.
Getting a banking app, or Uber or Facebook Messenger to work on a Linux phone is going to be a massive pain in the ass (ignoring the rest of the OS which is definitely not even close to useable for the general public).
I would love a Linux phone but we are so far away.
pinball_wizard
in reply to tempest • • •That's true, but for everything non-free, they always end up having a perfectly working web app that will accept my money.
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in reply to PrettyFlyForAFatGuy • • •I thought you could do that on Android?
dev_null
in reply to Leon • • •aquovie
in reply to Suavevillain • • •Plain AOSP is already pretty brutal. An alternate OS is practically a non-starter. Phones aren't just web browsers and SMS.
Not to mention that the camera is going to suuuuuuuuck.
Forking or improving AOSP is more viable but none of the more mainstream ROMs want to piss off Google. That's why most LineageOS forums forbid talking about defeating Play Integrity.
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in reply to aquovie • • •aquovie
in reply to ZILtoid1991 • • •On a mobile device? It's more likely that only OSS drivers work and the binary blob driver only worked with a pre-Pandemic aged kernel. Or it needed a very specific userspace library that doesn't work with a minimal libc.
"Free software enough" usually means "has a snowball's chance of actually working".
squaresinger
in reply to mesa • • •So now 3rd party app stores need an ADB loopback to work around that.
Not hard to do, but uselessly annoying.
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in reply to Fiery • • •General_Effort
in reply to squaresinger • • •aquovie
in reply to General_Effort • • •I believe F-Droid signs the packages it distributes so that creates a painful choke point. Revoke F-Droid's key and it will break all of F-Droid instantaneously. The only exception for F-Droid's signing is if the build is reproducible, which is a high bar for a lot of projects, and then F-Droid will use the upstream signature.
Also, they're trying to close the ADB loophole.
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in reply to mesa • • •Ok, fuck this crap. This was the main reason to prefer Android over iOS. Going to start trying out some of the FOSS Android forks
Another example of Embrace, extend, and extinguish
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Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)nlgranger
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in reply to masterofn001 • • •masterofn001
in reply to nlgranger • • •I'm just skimming through the license on my phone and they include LGPL, apache, BSD, Mozilla public license, eclipse public license, w3c, MIT, apple, and GNu.
IANAPOLL (The extra POL is for patent or licensing) so I don't know the intricacies of each type.
But there are a lot.
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in reply to katy ✨ • • •Holytimes
in reply to katy ✨ • • •Honestly at this point they actually likely need to be EVEN MORE strict to deal with how bad the app store is and how many scam apps are floating around.
My grand father has been given like 30 scam apks to install via email that we're just crypto ransomware basically, and he's had to reformat his phone at least 10 times this year from installing scam shit from the playstore it self too.
Both the playstore AND scammers are target android like crazy
There's basically no way to crack down on it short of what they are doing and frankly it's still not enough.
Anyone who thinks this is just Google being evil is massive fucking out of touch with the reality of what elderly and less it savvy people have to deal with. It fucking SUCKS.
And I fucking hate these changes too, but even I cant say it's enough. There's too many fucking shit bag assholes ruining all the good things.
Gary Ghost
in reply to Holytimes • • •Mistic
in reply to Gary Ghost • • •They also already have installation from external sources turned on by default.
Why the hell are we babying people who turn it off? They read the warning, they know the risks.
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in reply to Mohaim • • •ricdeh
in reply to NuclearDolphin • • •Sorry for the downvote, but I see this take repeated here on Lemmy so often and it just makes no sense. This will not kill the FOSS app "ecosystem". Nothing whatsoever changes for FOSS ROMs like LineageOS or GrapheneOS. And as long as there are FOSS operating systems, apps will be developed for them. If anything, this could drive mainstream adoption of free/libre Android forward, re-invigorating the scene through public outcry.
And to the people who propose fully jumping ship from Android to "Linux phones" because of Google's recent changes, you would only make the app support matter worse. As someone who daily drives both a phone with LineageOS and one with postmarketOS (mainline-ish Linux), mobile app support is endlessly worse on Linux than the fallout from Google's developer registration could ever be. That is not to say that Linux phones will not eventually get to a point of reasonable maturity, but it is way too early and frankly utterly irrational to bury AOSP Android or needlessly hate on it.
enumerator4829
in reply to ricdeh • • •Normal people aren’t flashing custom ROMs. The audience for some FOSS software will shrink by several orders of magnitude.
But the pain really kicks in when your government/bank/streaming apps require attestation of a signed boot chain and Google Play services running.
jsomae
in reply to Mohaim • • •masterofn001
in reply to mesa • • •So, will an app like this
codeberg.org/muntashir/AppMana…
which uses (w)adb, be able to install apk as I currently do?
Or will they also fuck this up ?
AppManager
Codeberg.orgPeruvian_Skies
in reply to masterofn001 • • •They won't fuck this up YET. If AppManager doesn't currently use ADB to install APKs, it can be made to. So can any F-Droid or Aurora Store client.
However, I'd say that the odds that Google will stop at this certificate demand and will not eventually try to paywall ADB somehow are currently 0% in my estimation.
It's high time someone created an independent fork of Android. Very soon, custom ROMs won't be enough.
ZILtoid1991
in reply to mesa • • •foremanguy
in reply to mesa • • •Again not on custom ROMs.
(And could help the push of new alternatives os)
Ferk
in reply to foremanguy • • •foremanguy
in reply to Ferk • • •I didn't read the terms but I think this is against Google terms of services, so sure you can patch this out but as a company you would suffer legal actions or would be forced to remove Google services from your devices.
Samsung will just ask Samsung Store devs to be registered
randomaside
in reply to mesa • • •Literally TODAY someone I know installed an application called "PDF viewer for android" that had a green adobe icon and it started wrecking absolute havoc on their phone with pop ads and redirects to scam support sites.
The AppStore is full of this shit.
jsomae
in reply to mesa • • •Petter1
in reply to mesa • • •I smell revival of jailbreak days 😁
And maybe a peak of smuggling china android phones running chinaDroid with crapChecks