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Seems like a group of people dedicated to archiving American research that is at risk of being removed from the web.
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They don't just kill science: that's inconvenient and dumb but it can be put on pause fairly safely.
In this case, they're putting public health in grave danger. That will turn them into literal mass-murderer if a new pandemic takes hold.
Science is a tool.
20th century facists used eugenics (which was considered scientifically sound at the time) to argue for genociding disabled people.
What's crazy to me is that eugenics is largely sound... It's literally a forbidden branch of science not because it's unscientific, but because our species can't be trusted with it
So much so that it becomes worthless. Elon Musk is doing his best to spread his genetics, even inappropriately offering up his sperm to female employees... He thinks he's one of humanities best and brightest. The kedamine addicted failed programmer turned conman, a guy so insecure he faked being good at video games and has created nothing himself, thinks his genes need to be spread far and wide
We are animals, we can indeed be bred for traits like animals, but we're so bad at evaluating ourselves we literally cannot use this branch of science
Eugenics is not sound because
1) It makes moral judgments as to what human traits are desirable and undesirable, which are non-scientific and largely based in prejudice.
2) It treats all traits as heritable which neglects socialisation and other complex factors.
Like for example eugenics in the Nazi regime genocided 90% of people with schizophrenia to try and wipe it out. But now, in 2025, schizophrenia rates are largely the same between germany and other western countries, because schizophrenia only has a small heritability factor.
Many people left Meta after Zuckerberg's changes, but user numbers have rebounded
Many people left Meta after Zuckerberg's changes, but user numbers have rebounded
Earlier this month, Zuckerberg signaled that he wanted Meta to be more like X by removing politically biased third-party fact checkers in favor of community notes and...Rob Thubron (TechSpot)
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GitOps + Renovate
Gives you:
- automation of updates
- smart notification of updates that are below a certain confidence that it won't break stuff
- rollback: simply git revert
- the whole shebang
Some stacks that work well with GitOps are:
- k8s + Flux or ArgoCD
- Nix(OS)
Mixing them is a LOT of complexity though. Just pick whichever you are most comfortable with. If you want a declarative immutable OS just for running k8s, check Talos Linux.
If you don't want to deal with GitOps, Nix or k8s, and you don't need recent versions, just run Debian and set a cronjob for auto updates. Then only deal with potential breaking changes just once every 5(?) years or thereabouts.
I added renovate to my project over the weekend. I got 26 PRs for updating things I have missed, so it is working well for most part!
The only issue I have with it are a few docker images come from docker hub and I am getting 429 response codes for pinning digests. Do you have any tips for renovate on this? Ideally I'd like it to just update and pin digests on the next update to avoid api hits.
I am doing a regex datasource for most of them since my k8s resources are in yaml files and found right now it strips - alpine and such from the version tags... Haven't looked into this issue too much yet though.
Honestly, k8s + GitOps at home is my project that I'm just starting this week. I found a community around it (on Discord 🤮) called Home Operations.
Docker Hub sucks and is VERY strict with rate limits. Try ghcr.io or the aws container registry.
Why you’ll leave X (as well as Instagram and all the other private platforms)
Why you’ll leave X (as well as Instagram and all the other private platforms)
(translated from Catalan by Alain Gertrand) You too will leave X, Instagram and all the other big platforms that, for now, seem like irreplaceable components of our lives. The golden age of these social networks is behind us.albertlloreta.cat
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you'd think so, like i did; but i'm learning that it's easy to get caught up in the moment when it comes to social media.
i've been learning the lessons of social media enshittification since the day's of icq & bbs, some like the author described; but there's always some new thing/feature/enticement to draw you in further and you end up learning that lesson the hard way all over again, but from a different angle/perspective/approach.
I think Pixelfed is beating Mastodon at that. The main instance basically had moderation as a late late afterthought and the massive influx of people and lack of moderation has made the main Pixelfed instance kind of horrible, from what I understand. @lori@hackers.town has been discussing it extensively lately.
Also, beyond bots, we have whole ass crpytoscam instances like realbitcoin.cash where suspiciously almost all of the accounts are from that instance, all created their accounts on the same day, and all commented on the same big thread on the same day.
FOSS developers are going to have to start developing roadblocks to this kind of behavior.
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It doesn’t really matter if you’re not willing to leave, because it would hurt too much to lose 50,000 followers, or 12,000 likes, or because FOMO has gotten the best of you. Those who have the least to lose will be the first to make the move. But this change will affect you too, slowly. This social mass will, little by little, become influential… and will end up dismembering these social markers that mean so much to you. Accounts with 150,000 followers will notice that part of their audience has left, and that the remaining numbers have become nothing more than indicators of a distant past.
Beautifully stated. Folks like us made the jump because our internet experience was never about "followers." For one, it always sounded like being fucking stalked, for two I actually like my privacy, and for three, I'm just some random fucking idiot anyway, folks really shouldn't be listening to every little thing I have to say. Don't follow me unless you want to be disappointed.
This is definitely worth a read and I very much hope the author's predictions come true, but I think it misses the mark in two big areas.
- This article presumes these platforms will remain the same. In reality these companies will pull out all the stops to incentivize users to stay, and if that doesn't work they will just buy up and acquire the competition, wherever the users are. Look at what's happening with tiktok.
- Some users - believe it or not - want a way to keep up with IRL friends and acquaintances. Instagram and Facebook provided a great way to do this (however less "great" nowadays). Still, I don't want to email or text every single person I know just to share a photo or a recent event. And honestly I also don't want every acquaintance I have sharing every detail of their lives over text or email or phone. Even with an alternative, we'd have to find and rebuild our personal networks all over again.
I'm in my mid 40s huge geek, programmer, gamer...I never had a huge calling to join those platforms. I was always a more forum type. Admittedly I checked out the sites from links of Reddit and such, but never had an urge to join them for anything, probably due wanting to read more conversational type input from others. Maybe I missed out but seems like being an old foggie sort of won out in the end with what I'm reading these days.
I'm sure there was decent conversations on some of the platforms as well, so not saying they were always bad just wasn't something that I had an urge to put time into, mostly so I could game more heh.
La nave Cassiopea è partita per l'Albania con 49 persone migranti a bordo - Il Post
Pronti per un nuovo psicodramma con giudici brutti e cattivi che seguono la legge invece che i desideri governo?
IIRC dall'ultima volta non è cambiato nulla sul piano normativo (forse la cosa di spostare la competenza alla corte d'appello dal tribunale ordinario? immagino non farà nessuna differenza, non è che le corti d'appello siano più malleabili dei tribunali ordinari).
A voler esser stronzi (e contemporaneamente ottimisti!) si potrebbe sperare che si stiano preparino a far un gran rumore su questi 50 poracci per coprire quello di un qualche altro evento (eg. magari un certo ministro finalmente si dimette?). Ok, 100% speculazione.
La nave Cassiopea è partita per l’Albania con 49 persone migranti a bordo
È la terza operazione di questo tipo da quando sono stati aperti i centri di accoglienza: le altre volte però i giudici italiani non avevano convalidato i trattenimentiIl Post
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S Korea's Yoon indicted for insurrection over martial law attempt
South Korea's Yoon Suk Yeol indicted over martial law attempt
The unprecedented charges mean the South Korean president faces decades in prison if convicted.Jean Mackenzie in Seoul, and Ruth Comerford (BBC News)
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S Korea's Yoon indicted for insurrection over martial law attempt
South Korea's Yoon Suk Yeol indicted over martial law attempt
The unprecedented charges mean the South Korean president faces decades in prison if convicted.Jean Mackenzie in Seoul, and Ruth Comerford (BBC News)
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So reportedly this guy got caught in a right-wing echo chamber of conspiracy Youtubers. That's why his coup came so out of nowhere:
straitstimes.com/asia/east-asi…
Inside South Korea’s right-wing YouTube world openly embraced by Yoon
Yoon’s “YouTube addiction” and conspiracy theories ruined his regime, said a columnist. Read more at straitstimes.com.The Straits Times
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Politicians should be banned from youtube.
Or ban youtube, whichever is easier.
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Check this out. It only works on KDE, you have to compile it from source and it's a pain in the ass to configure but it seems like it has all the features you're looking for.
You might also need to add
set(CMAKE_POSITION_INDEPENDENT_CODE ON)
to the CMakeLists to get it to compile.
Such is life.
GitHub - taj-ny/kwin-gestures: Custom touchpad gestures for Plasma 6
Custom touchpad gestures for Plasma 6. Contribute to taj-ny/kwin-gestures development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
I use these with good success. Can set up global/system-wide or per-app gestures and multi-finger actions. Works good in my opinion.
GitHub - JoseExposito/touche: The desktop application to configure Touchégg
The desktop application to configure Touchégg. Contribute to JoseExposito/touche development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
The multitouch trackpad for me is a great way to get the eye candy of having linear animations tied to your finger movement. In a practical sense, I use linear animations in MacOS to "peek" between desktops and pages in Safari all the time. The fact of the matter is that linear animations are just far smoother, and useful than ones that snap into place from a single input trigger. I even have a trackpad for my home desktop setup and literally don't use my traditional mouse unless I'm playing a game that doesn't support controllers.
A good example of this is to compare Windows's app exposé with the MacOS one. In Windows when you swipe up (or down? I forget which one) with 4 (3?) fingers, once you hit a certain point the app exposé just appears no matter how slow or fast you're doing the gesture. On MacOS, you can do the app expose gesture on the trackpad as slow or as fast as you want and it'll animate in time with the speed of your fingers doing the gesture.
GitHub - JoseExposito/touchegg: Linux multi-touch gesture recognizer
Linux multi-touch gesture recognizer. Contribute to JoseExposito/touchegg development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
Any innovation in having efficient models to operate and train is great for accessibility of the technology and to reduce the environment impacts of this (so far) very wasteful tech.
The training data is the important piece, and if that's not open, then it's not open source.
I don't want the data to avoid using the official one. I want the data so that so that I can reproduce the model. Without the training data, you can't reproduce the model, and if you can't do that, it's not open source.
The idea that a normal person can scrape the same amount and quality of data that any company or government can, and tune the weights enough to recreate the model is absurd.
GitHub - bigscience-workshop/petals: 🌸 Run LLMs at home, BitTorrent-style. Fine-tuning and inference up to 10x faster than offloading
🌸 Run LLMs at home, BitTorrent-style. Fine-tuning and inference up to 10x faster than offloading - bigscience-workshop/petalsGitHub
That's fine if you think the algorithm is the most important thing. I think the training data is equally important, and I'm so frustrated by the bastardization of the meaning of "open source" as it's applied to LLMs.
It's like if a normal software product provides a thin wrapper over a proprietary library that you must link against calling their project open source. The wrapper is open, but the actual substance of what provides the functionality isn't.
It'd be fine if we could just use more honest language like "open weight", but "open source" means something different.
My use of the word "stealing" is not a condemnation, so substitute it with "borrowing" or "using" if you want. It was already stolen by other tech oligarchs.
You can call the algo open source if the code is available under an OSS license. But the larger project still uses proprietary training data, and therefor the whole model, which requires proprietary training data to function is not open source.
You're conflating game engines being open source with the games themselves being proprietary. Proprietary products can use (some) open source things, but it doesnt make the end product open source.
Given that LLMs literally need the training data to be worth anything, releasing the final model without training data is not open source.
They did not release the final model without the data
They literally did exactly that. Show me the training data. If it has been provided under an open source license, then I'll revise my statement.
You literally cannot create a useful LLM without the training data. That is a part of the framework used to create the model, and they kept that proprietary. It is a part of the source. This is such an obvious point that I should not have to state it.
github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSee…
github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSee…
GitHub - deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3
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GitHub - deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1
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I don't think you or that Medium writer understand what "open source" means. Being able to run a local stripped down version for free puts it on par with Llama, a Meta product. Privacy-first indeed. Unless you can train your own from scratch, it's not open source.
Here's the OSI's helpful definition for your reference
opensource.org/ai/open-source-…
The Open Source AI Definition – 1.0
version 1.0 Preamble Why we need Open Source Artificial Intelligence (AI) Open Source has demonstrated that massive benefits accrue to everyone after removing the barriers to learning, using, sharing and…Open Source Initiative
All that is true of Meta's products too. It doesn't make them open source.
Do you disagree with the OSI?
The data part. ie the very first part of the OSI's definition.
It's not available from their articles
arxiv.org/html/2501.12948v1
arxiv.org/html/2401.02954v1
Nor on their github
github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSee…
Note that the OSI only ask for transparency of what the dataset was - a name and the fee paid will do - not that full access to it to be free and Free.
It's worth mentioning too that they've used the MIT license for the "code" included with the model (a few YAML files to feed it to software) but they have created their own unrecognised non-free license for the model itself. Why they having this misleading label on their github page would only be speculation.
Without making the dataset available then nobody can accurately recreate, modify or learn from the model they've released. This is the only sane definition of open source available for an LLM model since it is not in itself code with a "source".
GitHub - deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-LLM: DeepSeek LLM: Let there be answers
DeepSeek LLM: Let there be answers. Contribute to deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-LLM development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
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Org profile for DeepSeek on Hugging Face, the AI community building the future.huggingface.co
That's the "prover" dataset, ie the evaluation dataset mentioned in the articles I linked you to. It's for checking the output, it is not the training output.
It's also 20mb, which is miniscule not just for a training dataset but even as what you seem to think is a "huge data file" in general.
You really need to stop digging and admit this is one more thing you have surface-level understanding of.
Since you're definitely asking this in good faith and not just downvoting and making nonsense sealion requests in an attempt to make me shut up, sure! Here's three.
github.com/togethercomputer/Re…
huggingface.co/datasets/legacy…
Oh, and it's not me demanding. It's the OSI defining what an open source AI model is. I'm sure once you've asked all your questions you'll circle back around to whether you disagree with their definition or not.
GitHub - togethercomputer/RedPajama-Data: The RedPajama-Data repository contains code for preparing large datasets for training large language models.
The RedPajama-Data repository contains code for preparing large datasets for training large language models. - togethercomputer/RedPajama-DataGitHub
The most recent crawl is from December 15th
commoncrawl.org/blog/december-…
You don't know, and can't know, when DeepSeeker's dataset is from. Thanks for proving my point.
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I ignored the bit you edited in after I replied? And you're complaining about ignoring questions in general? Do you disagree with the OSI definition Yogsy? You feel ready for that question yet?
What on earth do you even mean "take a model and train it on thos open crawl to get a fully open model"? This sentence doesn't even make sense. Never mind that that's not how training a model works - let's pretend it is. You understand that adding open source data to closed source data wouldn't make the closed source data less closed source, right?.. Right?
Thank fuck you're not paid real money for this Yiggly because they'd be looking for their dollars back
Why would you lie about something with timestamps. I edited 18 min ago, and you replied 17 min ago. 🤡
Do you disagree with the OSI definition Yogsy? You feel ready for that question yet?
I already answered this question earlier in the thread, but clearly your reading comprehension needs some work.
What on earth do you even mean “take a model and train it on thos open crawl to get a fully open model”?
I'm talking about taking the code that DeepSeek released publicly, and training it on the open source data that's available. That's what model training is. The fact that this needs to be spelled out for you is amazing.
You understand that adding open source data to closed source data wouldn’t make the closed source data less closed source, right?.. Right?
What closed source data are you talking about, nobody is suggesting this.
Thank fuck you’re not paid real money for this Yiggly because they’d be looking for their dollars back
You sound upset there little buddy. I guess misspelling my handle was the peak insult you could muster. Really showing your intellectual prowess there champ.
I understand it completely in so much that it's nonsensically irrelevant - the model is what you're calling open source, and the model is not open source because the data set not published or recreateable. They can open source any training code they want - I genuinely haven't even checked - but the model is not open source. Which is my point from about 20 comments ago. Unless you disagree with the OSI's definition which is a valid and interesting opinion. If that's the case you could have just said so. OSI are just of dudes. They have plenty of critics in the Free/Open communities. Hey they're probably American too if you want to throw in some downfall of The West classic hits too!
If a troll is "not letting you pretend you have a clue what you're talking about because you managed to get ollama to run a model locally and think it's neat", cool. Owning that. You could also just try owning that you think its neat. It is. It's not an open source model though. You can run Meta's model with the same level of privacy (offline) and with the same level of ability to adapt or recreate it (you can't, you don't have the full data set or steps to recreate it).
I never disagreed that you can run Meta's model with the same level of privacy, so don't know why you keep bringing that up as some sort of gotcha. The point about DeepSeek is its efficiency. OSI definition for open source is good, and it does look like you're right that the full data set is not available. However, the real question is why you'd be so hung up on that.
Given that the code for training a new model is released, and it can be applied to open data sets, that means it's perfectly possible to make a version that's trained on open data that would check off the final requirement you keep bringing up. Also, adapting it does not require having the original training set since it's done by tuning the weights in the network itself. Go read up on how LoRA works for example.
I know how LoRA works thanks. You still need the original model to use a LoRA. As mentioned, adding open stuff to closed stuff doesn't make it open - that's a principle applicable to pretty much anything software related.
You could use their training method on another dataset, but you'd be creating your own model at that point. You also wouldn't get the same results - you can read in their article that their "zero" version would have made this possible but they found that it would often produce a gibberish mix of English, Mandarin and code. For R1 they adapted their pure "we'll only give it feedback" efficiency training method to starting with a base dataset before feeding it more, a compromise to their plan but necessary and with the right dataset - great! It eliminated the gibberish.
Without that specific dataset - and this is what makes them a company not a research paper - you cannot recreate DeepSeek yourself (which would be open source) and you can't guarantee that you would get anything near the same results (in which case why even relate it to thid model anymore). That's why those are both important to the OSI who define Open Source in all regards as the principle of having all the information you need to recreate the software or asset locally from scratch. If it were truly Open Source by the way, that wouldn't be the disaster you think it would be as then OpenAI could just literally use it themselves. Or not - that's the difference between Open and Free I alluded to. It's perfectly possible for something to be Open Source and require a license and a fee.
Anyway, it does sound like an exciting new model and I can't wait to make it write smut.
I didn't say that using LoRA makes it more open, I was pointing out that you don't need the original data to extend the model.
Basically what you're talking about is being able to replicate the original model from scratch given the code and the data. And since the data component is missing you can't replicate the original model. I personally don't find this to be that much of a problem because people could create a comparable model from scratch if they really wanted to using an open data set.
The actual innovation with DeepSeek lies in the use of mixture-of-experts approach to get far better performance. While it has 671 billion parameters overall, it only uses 37 billion at a time, making it very efficient. For comparison, Meta’s Llama3.1 uses 405 billion parameters used all at once. That's the really interesting part of the whole thing. That's the part where openness really matters.
And I full expect that OpenAI will incorporate this idea into their models. The disaster for open AI is in the fact that their whole business model around selling subscriptions is now dead in the water. When models were really expensive to run, then only a handful of megacorps could do it. Now, it turns out that you can get the same results at a fraction of the cost.
Thank you for posting those links, while I'm not sure the person you replied to was asking in good faith, I myself was wanting to see an example after reading the discussion.
Seems like even if it's not fully open source it's a step in the right direction in a world where terms like "open" and non profit have been co-opted by corporations to lose their original meaning.
It's certainly better than "Open"AI being completely closed and secretive with their models. But as people have discovered in the last 24 hours, DeepSeek is pretty strongly trained to be protective of the Chinese government policy on, uh, truth. If this was a truly Open Source model, someone could "fork" it and remake it without those limitations. That's the spirit of "Open Source" even if the actual term "source" is a bit misapplied here.
As it is, without the original training data, an attempt to remake the model would have the issues DeepSeek themselves had with their "zero" release where it would frequently respond in a gibberish mix of English, Mandarin and programming code. They had to supply specific data to make it not do this, which we don't have access to.
What makes it open source is that the source code is open.
My grandma is as old as my great aunts, that doesn't transitively make her my great aunt.
I'm too lazy to look for any of their documentation about this, but it would be pretty bold to believe privacy or processing claims from OpenAI or similar AI orgs, given their history flouting copyright.
Silicon valley more generally just breaks laws and regulations to "disrupt". Why wouldn't an org like OpenAI at least leave a backdoor for themselves to process API requests down the road as a policy change? Not that they would need to, but it's not uncommon for a co to leave an escape hatch in their policies.
GitHub - deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1
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I got it running with ollama locally, works as advertised
medium.com/@pedro.aquino.se/ho…
How to Install and Use DeepSeek-R1: A Free and Privacy-First Alternative to OpenAI (Save $200/Month)
Learn how to install DeepSeek-R1 locally for coding and logical problem-solving, no monthly fees, no data leaks. Tired of paying high subscription costs for advanced AI models? Meet DeepSeek-R1, a…Pedro Aquino (Medium)
It should be repeated: no American corporation is going to let their employees put data into DeepSeek.
Accept this truth. The LLM you can download and run locally is not the same as what you’re getting on their site. If it is, it’s shit, because I’ve been testing r1 in ollama and it’s trash.
"It's possible, you just have to train your own model."
Which is almost as much work as you would have to do if you were to start from scratch.
Oops, I didn't realize I was posting on ML. That's my bad, I should have expected this bias.
For the record, I don't see any evidence or sources in your responses to me.
Have nice day.
Oh no, people here have biases different from your own. The horror! Meanwhile, I provided sources in other responses in this thread. You could also just spend your time to google this stuff yourself instead of trolling here, it's not exactly hidden.
Bye!
It's a model that outperforms the other ones in a bunch of areas with a smaller footprint and which was trained for less than a twentieth of the price, and then it was released as open source.
If it were European or US made nobody would deem it suspicious if somebody talked about it all month, but it's a Chinese breakthrough and god forbid you talk about it for three days
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ushering in the last 16 years of radicalization
Accepting fascism is "radical" now?
Joy in Ramallah as Palestinians welcome freed prisoners
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By Fayha Shalash in Ramallah, occupied Palestine
Published date: 25 January 2025 17:31 GMT
Joy in Ramallah as Palestinians welcome freed prisoners
The occupied West Bank city of Ramallah erupted in joy on Saturday afternoon as Palestinians welcomed 114 prisoners, including many serving life sentences, who were released from Israeli prison as part of a ceasefire deal between Hamas and Israel in …Fayha Shalash (Middle East Eye)
Joy in Ramallah as Palestinians welcome freed prisoners
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/25231273
By Fayha Shalash in Ramallah, occupied Palestine
Published date: 25 January 2025 17:31 GMT
Joy in Ramallah as Palestinians welcome freed prisoners
The occupied West Bank city of Ramallah erupted in joy on Saturday afternoon as Palestinians welcomed 114 prisoners, including many serving life sentences, who were released from Israeli prison as part of a ceasefire deal between Hamas and Israel in …Fayha Shalash (Middle East Eye)
Forum software NodeBB joins the fediverse
Forum software NodeBB joins the fediverse | TechCrunch
Before there was social media, there were internet forums. Millions of forum sites continue to operate, which is why it's notable that one top forumSarah Perez (TechCrunch)
Trump Admin Accused of Using AI to Draft Executive Orders
Trump Admin Accused of Using AI to Draft Executive Orders
Artifacts in Trump's executive orders have led to speculation that those who penned them might have turned to AI for help.Maggie Harrison Dupré (Futurism)
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Some would say trump is artificially intelligent.
Some would say that about all of us at some point.
Me, I think we're in the matrix and about to get group flushed as fails 😝
Me, I think we’re in the matrix and about to get group flushed as fails 😝
That would be a relief at this point.
Looks like the one of the many copies of this you posted was removed, and that's the one I commented on. My original comment:
I read through most of the executive orders, and while I admittedly skimmed a lot, I didn't notice these kinds of things. Can we get some examples?
I read through the excerpt image you provided. Maybe I'm just not exposed to LLM generated text frequently, but I don't see how that's generative text.
[HELP] LMS to Lyrion migration in docker
Has anyone migrated from one to the other in a non-painfull way? I did a quick search. There are some guides for Synology and QNAP servers but I was after a more generic guide for pure docker. Anyone come across any?
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Trump says ‘clean out that whole thing’ as part of his plan for Gaza
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/25231050
By Lubna Masarwa in Jerusalem
Published date: 26 January 2025 10:44 GMT[some very ominous statements from #Trump]
Trump says ‘clean out that whole thing’ as part of his plan for Gaza
US President Donald Trump has proposed a plan to "just clean out" Gaza and said he wants Egypt and Jordan to take in Palestinians from the territory, where Israel's onslaught has displaced over 90 percent of the population.Lubna Masarwa (Middle East Eye)
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Nothing will fundamentally change.
-Joe "I'm a lifelong Zionist" Biden
At least now one of the parties are going to pretend it have an issue with it
When it was Biden the only people in office openly criticizing genocide was Bernie and a literal handful of House reps.
That's the worse part of "moderates", when they're in office and we're not allowed to criticize them for rightwing positions, it takes the sail out of protests when it switches back to a real conservative in office.
The DNC just got telling everyone pro-fracking, pro border wall, anti healthcare reform, and sucking up to oligarchs was fine...
Just not when trump does it, so now we have to waste time explaining that it really was awful when Biden/Kamala wanted it, and it's still awful now that trump wants it. Because too many are going to view Trump's current actions as less evil, because Kamala held the same policy positions.
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Of course! Why make Israel live in peace fairly with the Palestinians when you can just shove them in a different corner and forget about them. Its not like these are people who had homes and families and businesses or anything.
Fucking disgusting.
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The democrats could have tried not aiding the genocide. That was always an option. Seems like this was gonna happen either way…
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Ah yes, whataboutism as the answer to any uncomfortable comment. So tell me where and when these protests are occurring. I used to see them weekly in my city, block-long marches down popular streets. They used to block freeways and bridges and college administration buildings were occupied. Did the pre-election protests ever once target a Trump rally? Or any Republican?
Will people take to the streets now to protest Trump and his Republican Congress’s stance on Gaza? Will the people do anything now that the Democrats have lost?
uscpr.org/pro-palestine-protes…
Pro-Palestine Protests Near You: Stop the Gaza Genocide - US Campaign for Palestinian Rights
Israel has brutally massacred the Palestinian people for 75+ years. Find a pro-Palestine protest and take action to stop the Gaza genocide.uscpr (US Campaign for Palestinian Rights)
I don't think you understand the point of the protests. People don't want their government funding and supplying the weapons for a genocide.
What would a protest about Sudan achieve if your country has no involvement in it?
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Their system isn't set up to realistically accommodate third parties. Without actually overhauling the entire electoral system (something neither major party wants) the only way to get any third party representation would be a massively coordinated grassroots campaign that would require a huge amount of funding to overcome all the media attacks it would suffer.
In effect, as the system currently works, a third party vote is a wasted vote unfortunately.
Yeah, whether or not these people who keep patting themselves on the back every single time some new horrible news about Gaza comes out want to admit it, the democrats are complicit in this.
It’s the brain rot of two party politics. The idea that democrats are guilty of aiding in a genocide cannot exist at the same time as the idea that trump would continue and worsen the genocide. They can’t conceive of a situation where the vote for genocide or genocide was unpalatable for many people.
And do they blame the people committing genocide? No, they throw streamers in the air and pop poppers because now they get to say they were right. It doesn’t fucking matter. People are being slaughtered. And our country is complicit. It’s not about blue or red complicity. It’s about the fact that we had no choice but to either shoulder the blame for trump’s deeds, or to shut up and vote for genocide participants.
Why does everything have to be so binary? Is it really that complicated to say there was no good answer on the ballot? Yes, trump is undoubtedly worse. But the fact that we weren’t given any good options to vote for is not on people who couldn’t stomach looking the other way and saying “well, yeah they may be advocating for continuing to aid in genocide, but…”
We all get it. We’ve always gotten it. We didn’t vote for trump. The people who literally thought trump was going to fix the situation and DID vote for him are to blame. But the democrats are to blame for 99% of their own loss. The sooner people stop trying to high road people who couldn’t stomach the choice, the sooner we can be to fuckin doing something about it. And the sooner we can all admit we were given a fuckin shit sandwich or a diarrhea smoothie to choose from, the sooner we can find some fuckin class solidarity. Stop blaming the underclass for being beholden to the ownership class. That’s not our choice. Driving a wedge between the other people who—according to those who keep cheering themselves on—apparently want to see the genocide end is not helping anyone but the people who can’t stop congratulating themselves—well, themselves and the ownership class committing the genocide.
larryshockey.com/the-american-…
The American Political System and “The Ratchet Effect.”
"Well, we're giving a little more to X [the Republican], naturally, 'cause he's got a better chance of winning. But we've given a lot to Y [the Democrat], too. In fact, I think we may be his biggest single bloc of support." "But...larryshockey.com
I never saw a single person say Trump would be better for Palestine, so I'm not sure what you're on about...
As for complaining about Dems and not Trump, that makes sense to me because it's assumed that Trump is shit, but Dems pretend to be better than they are.
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No I didn’t. I’m no dem. Have never voted. Not American but would’ve voted to stop the proto fascist over status quo as it’s easier to organise under the status quo.
And if I didn’t it’d be only in the hopes that things would get so bad that it’d cause a revolution. Not under the delusion that Trump would be equal or better than Kamala in Palestine.
It all stopped with a phone call from Trump.
Damn, you are seriously drinking some vile maga propaganda if you believe that. I suggest you choose a better information diet.
time.com/7207250/ceasefire-gaz…
What to Know About the Israel-Hamas War Cease-Fire Deal
The first phase of a deal between Israel and Hamas involves a six-week pause in fighting as well as the release of 33 hostages and hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.TIME Staff (Time)
If you’re going to say something really stupid at least look into before you open your mouth.
newsweek.com/how-trump-pushed-…
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m.jpost.com/israel-news/articl…
Why Donald Trump's pressure may not be enough to save Gaza hostages
Fundamentally, despite Trump becoming the single most powerful individual in the world, he has very little power over Hamas.By YONAH JEREMY BOB (The Jerusalem Post)
I'm so tired of Americans looking at everything through the lens of their broken political system. Do you want to discuss which flavour of cola, Pepsi or Coka would be "better"? Go to your own internal politics community and knock yourselves out.
The US president is suggesting ethnically cleansing Gaza. That's the story here, not Biden or Kamala. Your petty infighting means jack shit to the rest of us.
EDIT: Imagine if I started with an analysis of the situation based off of Montreal politics. "Oh boy, those Coderre voters will sure be glad that they downvoted Plante. What were they thinking". And then there are long discussion threads underneath with a bunch of Montrealers discussing the nuances of Coderre vs Plante. That would suck the air out of the discussion, it would center the wrong thing and ultimately make the whole subject about Montreal, as opposed to Palestine. And everyone would be absolutely right to be mad at Montrealers for hijacking the discussion with their petty internal politics. That's what it looks like.
Ah yes, a sort of cleansing operation.
Of people of a particular ethnicity.
I wonder if there's a term for that...
I might be wrong, but I think the Palestinian community had Kamala's attention and a real opportunity to affect policy if she won the election.
Trump obviously doesn't care what anyone thinks. He only cares about money/power.
Trump says ‘clean out that whole thing’ as part of his plan for Gaza
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/25231050
By Lubna Masarwa in Jerusalem
Published date: 26 January 2025 10:44 GMT[some very ominous statements from #Trump]
Trump says ‘clean out that whole thing’ as part of his plan for Gaza
US President Donald Trump has proposed a plan to "just clean out" Gaza and said he wants Egypt and Jordan to take in Palestinians from the territory, where Israel's onslaught has displaced over 90 percent of the population.Lubna Masarwa (Middle East Eye)
Why are there so many Palestinian children in Israeli prisons?
Why are there so many Palestinian children in Israeli prisons?
Twenty-three child prisoners released but more than 300 minors remain in Israeli custody, many of them without charges.Al Jazeera
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Yep.
Genocide apologists really try to claim it's ok because of how "young" people in Gaza are, but that's because between Israel out right killing them and systemic racism designed to shorten their lives....
It's not exactly easy to live to your adult years in Gaza. And adults dying skews the percentage to mostly kids.
It's like some kids of fucked up Never never land where Captain Hook wasn't just Disney bad. The kids live in hell and Bibi kills them before their brains fully develop at 25.
Yup this is the term of AI
futurism.com/trump-admin-accus…
Trump Admin Accused of Using AI to Draft Executive Orders
Artifacts in Trump's executive orders have led to speculation that those who penned them might have turned to AI for help.Maggie Harrison Dupré (Futurism)
The usage and existence of AI itself is a meme to me.
Besides, according to textbook definition
- an image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.
- an element of a culture or system of behavior passed from one individual to another by imitation or other nongenetic means.
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Yup this is the term of AI
Trump Admin Accused of Using AI to Draft Executive Orders
Artifacts in Trump's executive orders have led to speculation that those who penned them might have turned to AI for help.Maggie Harrison Dupré (Futurism)
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Fallout: The Frontier Rework Master Document
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Most people know of the disasterous launch of (Legacy) Fallout: The Frontier, but did you know about the rework which is underway? That's right, The Frontier's release is still ahead of us, and the team released a master document outlining their plans for the future early September, last year.P.S: The rework is currently looking for chinese-american voice actors fluent in both mandarin and english for an upcoming faction, if this sounds like you, please consider applying!
Fallout: The New Frontier
Helianwin Rework A non comprehensive look through of what we’re planning on doing for the rework. What happened? In 2021, almost immediately after the release of legacy frontier, a rework was begun to remake the NCR MQ primarily, and to facilitate…Google Docs
Hey, c/Fallout! We over on c/FalloutMods are working on building a community, and so I see it as apt to promote ourselves with the occasional crosspost!
So what would be better for our first crosspost than some news you may not have known about the Fallout community's controversial darling, Fallout: the Frontier? If you're interested in more discussions about the Fallout modding scene, come check us out!
And don't worry, I won't be spamming you guys neither, this is the last one this month, hope to see you around!
Trump suggests Palestinians leave Gaza and ‘we just clean out’ territory
Donald Trump has suggested large numbers of Palestinians should leave Gaza to “just clean out” the whole strip, after ordering the US military to restart shipments of 2,000lb bombs to Israel.
The US president said he wanted Gaza residents to move to neighbouring nations, and that they could be displaced “temporarily or could be long-term”, after a phone call with Jordan’s King Abdullah on Saturday.
“I said to him: I’d love you to take on more because I’m looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now and it’s a mess, it’s a real mess. I’d like him to take people,” Trump said, when asked about the call.
He also suggested Egypt as a destination for Gaza residents, and said he would raise the issue with President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi on Sunday.
Trump resumes sending 2,000-pound bombs to Israel, undoing Biden pause
US president releases powerful bombs ‘because they bought them’ after Biden pause due to possible impact on civiliansGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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Reeeeeeeeeally hard to stop my self from screaming “I fucking told you so” to all the idiots who insisted Trump would be better for the situation right now
This is literally the exact thing I’ve been trying to point out for months
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The plan was always their. They would get away with it even if it was biden or harris would won
That what you want? To shut conversation down? And for an "anarchist" you sure are bending over to DNC corporatist hierarchy. Little bit suspicious.
If you’re still playing the both sides cards this far into it you’re not capable of conversation.
And yep still an anarchist even though I’m rational and pragmatic.
yep still an anarchist
The world judges who you are based on your actions, not what you'd prefer to be called.
Oh?
So you're ready to disavow Bidens support for zionists and agree that it was and is wrong, and that we cant support anyone who does that anymore?
Welcome to the new democratic party, brother. Grab a shovel, theres a lot of corrupt DNC trash to haul to the curb for garbage collection.
Maybe the fact that the Biden administration withheld 2000 lbs bombs from Israel and Biden repeatedly cussed Netanyahu out over the phone? Maybe because the genociders backed the Trump presidency fiercely?
Btw those held weapons shipments were happily continued by Trump earlier.
I must have imagined those American bombs dropped by American made planes being sent by Biden.
He asked Netanyahu nicely to not carpet bomb Gaza with them. That absolves him of it all.
🙄 so in your little mind, Biden says "fuck you Israel. Not a single bullet more." And magically Israel stops bombing because they.... Ran out of bombs and ammo?
It would have accomplished exactly nothing. Israel makes their own decisions. Nothing Biden could have done would have stopped anything. If you think otherwise you are simply naive.
Answer the question.
And stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Trump had any power in Israel either.
To answer your question yes, i think so. Even if it doesn't it is the right and moral thing to do.
You said that presidents has no power biden was president and now trump is. How can't you not understand somw basic deductive reasoning ?
Then you're ignorant of both history and geopolitics.
Israel is a client state, full stop, of the US. Reagan made one phone call and ended the war in Lebanon.
In fact, Israel institutionally, does not know how to end wars, because they've never done it. The US has always ended their wars for them.
Israel has received a full third of all foreign aid the US has ever given out. It isn't a state on it's own. It ceases to exist and will go bankrupt almost immediately without the US.
Your whole 'Biden couldn't force them to stop' schtick is either bad faith or ignorance of every aspect of the history of that region.
There is a reason that Trump didn't stop foreign aid to Israel and Egypt when he froze it everywhere else. Neither state would continue to exist if he hadn't.
If Israel relies on US weapons, then yes the US has the power to stop it, by not supplying the weapons.
We know the weapons are going to be used for genocide. Supplying them is as good as pulling the trigger ourselves.
UN resolutions don’t mean jack anyway
UN resolutions created the state of Israel.
Cranakis,
axios.com/2024/05/13/us-presid…
Eisenhauer, GHW Bush, and Reagan all stopped Israel's zionist violence dead cold with phone calls, in pretty much this exact same situation. Its well established history that you either aren't aware of or wont acknowledge-- neither possibility reflecting well on you.
It's not 'trust me, bro' when it is public fucking history. It's just you being ignorant to the point that if someone sent you links they would have to be posted with 'let me google it for you'
Asking for proof when someone says the sky is blue doesn't do anything but make you look stupid or bad faith.
So trust you bro. Got it.
You're aware Reagan was 40 fucking years ago right? I'm not asking for links. I'm saying you guys are confidently wrong.
Hur dur genius nostradamus here.
Nobody who watched genocide joe support genocide for over a year had any hope for 2025 and beyond.
I don't think that matters. Israeli officials themselves have said their plans out loud. It's already well known that they're going for a full ethnic cleansing which includes genocide and mass relocation because they want all of Palestine and more (which they refer to as "Greater Israel"). There have been some actions taken, including by the ICC (which Biden wrote off as "outrageous") and all those student protests which were forcibly silenced. Ultimately we need someone with power to do something. Trump certainly won't do anything to stop it, in fact he openly encourages it. Sadly democrats won't do anything either, even if they're more silent on the subject or let a small handful of democrats speak out a bit (but not too much, or they get censured).
The US is the biggest power behind Israel and no one dares stand up to the US. If both of the biggest parties (and only ones that will ever get any power) agree to not do anything to stop it, then it will just continue getting worse and worse.
Full List of Democrats Who Voted to Censure Rashida Tlaib
One Democrat accused Tlaib of trying to "gaslight" the world with her comments about the Israel-Hamas war.Jenni Fink (Newsweek)
It certainly is. Unfortunately for all of us, it's more complicated than the Dems and "lesser of two evil" voters (of which I was one) have been lead to believe as well.
Or they would have... you know... Won.
But hey, if we want to learn the wrong lesson from this again, far be it from me to stop us.
Who did you vote for who wasn't justifying a genocide?
Edit: Worth noting, 17 downvotes at this time, yet not a single reply with a candidate who wasn't "justifying a genocide".
But... I'm not okay with giving up one group, nor excusing genocide. We must be having two different discussions, because I got the impression you were advocating for simply rolling over and giving up.
What I was getting at is that participating in an immoral system, only inasmuch as wasting a little time to vote for a lesser evil, can help us achieve our aims when taking action outside the ballot box. It's easier to fight genocide against one group than genocide against many groups, right?
I pointed this out to a dem apologist on bluesky and their response was that ending the genocide on its own wouldn't have won the election.
Motherfucker, what?! Quite apart from the fact that ending a genocide shouldn't be evaluated on how likely it is to win an election, it is the right thing to do and it would have helped.
But the dems decided that continuing the genocide was more important than improving their chances of beating Trump. Assuming they believe what we were told that Trump would be worse at the genocide, that means the dems decided to continue the genocide and also risk worse genocide. So they just chose genocide.
And now people are still trying to get up on their high horses about this shit.
Next time they say that stupid shit, share things like this with them:
dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harr…
Kamala Harris Paid the Price for Not Breaking With Biden on Gaza, New Poll Shows
Twenty-nine percent of non-voters who supported Biden in 2020 said U.S. support for the genocide was the top reason they sat the 2024 election, according to a survey by YouGov.Ryan Grim (Drop Site News)
Genocide is the worst situation
Very obviously a false dichotomy.
Do you think Palestinians wanted Trump to win?
"Peace" isn't really an objective given that you'd have Peace the day after you ground palestinians into the dust.
Netanyahu certainly cares who the president of the United States is, who do you think he wants to be president?
Israel Militaristic ally is just another statement that hold no value at all.
US have multiple bases in Jordan with strong ties. Strong relationship with Egypt, Massive base in Qatar, strong ties to Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates.
Pretending US need Israel is just a lie. They can literally make it another state and it would be much better option for Palestinians than current situation.
Egypt doesn't even have a strong relationship with itself right now, and most of your list has closer relationships with Iran, Russia, and China. Hell, one of the most adversarial nation in the region, Iran, have been accused of being too friendly with the USA by Saudi Arabia leading to strained relationships.
Here is a picture of Jordan's King Abdullah II visiting the Kremlin in person.
This is a proxy war. Nobody is really on anybody else's side unless they're surrounded by enemies and desperate for aid. Israel is that ally. Even Afghanistan turned out to be more against than they were with the USA.
I want it to change, I really do, I think there is an avenue for peace some day, but as it stands right now doing nothing will result in more bloodshed than propping up a bad ally and minimizing the harm they do.
Ah yes arming a genocide was "unavoidable".
Maybe if you people weren't so prone to compromise what's right in order to be in power you would have won
Yeah, no what led to 13 million (not 6 million) former DNC voters staying home was:
- Being lied to & gaslit about Biden's condition.
- Kamala hiding from interviews where she might get asked tough questions.
- Kamala sending out Mark Cuban to tell everyone how much she loved big corporations.
- Kamala claiming she couldn't think of anything she'd do different than Biden, other than having a Republican in her cabinet... while parading around with Liz Cheney & praising Dick Cheney.
- Spending 2 billion on her campaign, giving a lot of it to right-wing networks for advertising despite them overwhelmingly supporting Trump & to people like Oprah & Al Sharpton to pretend that they were giving fair interviews.
- Attacking other progressive candidates, like when she endorsed & paid for the ads to go after Jill Stein.
2020 total votes for Biden 81,283,501
2024 total votes for Harris 75,017,613
So I was actually over, the real difference was 6.27 Million.
Democrat: "Trump is killing more of you than Biden isn't he?"
Palestinian: "No, there is a ceasefire now. We are safer than we were under Biden at the moment. We hope that Trump doesn't help kill 70,000 of us like Biden did."
Democrat: "No I said he's killing more! You must be one of those Russian Palestinian Nazis!"
Palestinian: "Are you okay? Do you need a doctor?"
Democrat: "FU Palestinians! I hope he kills way more!"
I never said that. You're projecting again. 70,000 Palestinians dead under "I'm a proud Zionist" Biden, multiple vetoes by the Biden admin to continue the war, countless statements by Biden subhumanizing Palestinians.
Democrats: "22 Lebanese dead under Trump! That is way more than the 70,000 Palestinians & 2,700 Lebanese killed under Biden!"
Acting like Trump is easing up the genocide is fucking delusional.
"Trump is the reason for the ceasefire!!"
Are you intellectually dishonest or just stupid? The ceasefire that has been being planned for months, with literally 0 involvement from Trump, because he literally had 0 authority until like a week ago? Holy fuck.
vox.com/politics/395338/trump-…
"However, there indeed seems to be widespread agreement among diplomats and officials involved that Trump-related factors were quite important in finally spurring the deal to come together — though there are some dueling narratives about exactly why."
If trump said to raise minimum wage, you'd be screaming that we should lower it. Go ahead & lose another election or two by denying facts. Convince yourself that Biden is young & dynamic behind the scenes like the establishment told you to.
How much credit does Trump really deserve for the Gaza ceasefire?
Trump’s role in the Israel-Hamas negotiation, explained.Andrew Prokop (Vox)
Yeah bro, because hating Trump means I want to gargle Biden's balls. You're a waste of time.
But, for the sake of others reading this:
Trump said that if hostages weren't released, there would be hell to pay in the middle-east. In other words, he applied pressure to HAMAS- but not, you know, the genociders.
Additionally, if you click on the source noting Trump's incoming envoy's vague "involvement", you will note that he had no direct involvement in the negotiations. 🤔
Edit: I take it back, tentatively. There was a second reference in the following sentence that elaborated on the Trump admin's involvement. Interesting. Okay. So it seems that they did pressure Israel to agree to a ceasefire.
We'll see how long that lasts, considering the last ceasefire lasted 6 days and all.
Yeah maybe the democrats should not have armed a genocide
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Kinda like history remember the Weimar republic as weak cowards who preferred nazism over compromising with the left. That's how people will remember biden.
Beside, who am I kidding? America was also nazi under Bush. It's nothing new.
USA: Israel has used US-made arms in Gaza in violation of international law - new report
We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.Amnesty International UK
He's certainly worse, Biden didn't piss off Canada and Mexico immediately.
I can't really speak on internal US policies, i.e. whether Biden's inaction or Trump's wild actions are overall worse for the nation but internationally, Trump is far far far worse.
It's not even a competition.
He did not secure a ceasefire.
Note that the ceasefire is literally identical to the one the US Department of State proposed the better part of a year ago. The ceasefire was enacted now, and not before, for reasons of political timing, nothing more. This falls in the same category as Nixon when when he pulled a very similar ploy with Vietnam.
If it was enacted now because of Trump, then he is the reason it passed.
Ergo he secured it.
He may be a piece of shit with nothing material to add, but his endorsement did move this ceasefire forwards.
He did not secure a ceasefire.The ceasefire was enacted now, and not before, for reasons of political timing, nothing more.
Wait...so, who's responsible for the ceasefire? If it was Biden, why did he choose to do it after Trump got elected? What kind of "political timing" is that?
Saying, "I told you so" has zero effect. This people didn't reason themselves into their positions and will refuse any reason that would cause them to change their minds.
It was clear months ago these were smart people. Their utter lack of doubt continues to be the reddest of flags.
Good point; The message may be undercut by the grammar. Effect is a noun/adjective. Affect is a verb/adverb.
Disregard if you were actually trying to state that the concept of the number zero goes out and affects people in some unspecified way whenever that statement is spoken.
It's probably the only way to end the conflict without waiting several generations and hoping that cultures change over that time, and a significant improvement to the quality of life of most people in Gaza.
The land itself is not the deciding factor. The conflict would end if Egypt agreed to annex Gaza and no one was forcibly displaced. I think any rational Israeli would agree to that (this may not include the current government) but Egypt doesn't want it, and reasonably so.
Whaat? How is it at all fair to kick these people out of their homeland? Especially after Israel’s response was so incredibly disproportionate when compared to the October 7th attacks. Like what 3k people vs well over 40k??? Bombing hospitals???
Given Trump’s comments about the real estate in Gaza let’s not pretend he just doesn’t want to give it to Israel if he gets a piece of the development pie. Let’s not forget Netanyahu was visiting Trump before he assumed the presidency.
It’s not right. The Palestinians should have their land back. The only moral solution is a two state solution. The only secure solution is a two state solution. Dispossessing regular people and effectively kicking them when they’re down isn’t exactly a deterrent to terrorism.
I fear they’ve already decided what they’re going to do and now they’re just trying to make everyone buy it.
Trump is explicitly suggesting that the land be cleared out of Palestinians and granted to Israeli settlers. This would (at best) be similar to the trail of tears for Cherokee - a displaced people forced to relocate to some low value (likely desert) portion of Egypt and leaving everything built by their culture behind.
This would still meet the definition of a genocide even if no one died (and people would assuredly die in the process).
giving Gazans citizenship in an Arab country. They can keep the land
Wow naive. Ever heard of syria and lebanon?
Considering the stakes Benjy has in the potential trade route running right through Gaza and evidence that suggests he was giving funding to hamas, I'm not so sure. It would explain his continued overescalation in attacks on Palestine.
That being said I could change my tune if I did see a legitimate reason to.
The only moral solution is disarmament and a single state with equal representation.
The two state solution was the compromise.
Have Egypt annex it?
All that would change is that now Israel periodically raids across the Egyptian border to attack Hamas forces in Gaza.
Honestly. They should, and they should treat them well. We've already entered the countdown to Israel's declaration of war on Jordan and/or Egypt. If they take them then Israel claims militants got out and are being harbored. Oh no! But if they don't then Israel will claim West Bank militants escaped to whichever country and are being harbored.
Netanyahu's refusal to leave Lebanon and Syria along with the uptick in Greater Israel propaganda from ministers makes their 10 year strategic goals pretty clear.
Edit to add, oops I forgot the conclusion! Lmao. This gives them a motivated and highly available population to arm and send against the IDF when the inevitable happens.
Not really because they'll just invade that too to make another "buffer zone" for the people they move into what was the Gaza strip.
Anyone thinking the destruction of Gaza ends this had better think again.
USA withheld weapon shipments under Biden, and according to white house staff Biden would regularly cuss out Netanyahu over the phone for harming civillians.
Whether you believe it or not, the Biden admin was constantly trying to negotiate ceasefire, but when they presented their deal with hostage release as a bargaining tool in the UN it got vetoed by Russia and China.
You mean the one UN ceasefire that was just to allow Israel to regroup and rearm not actually move towards peace? That was also what 5 ceasefire resolutions after all the ones USA vetoed?
not include provisions supporting ongoing diplomatic efforts to secure a ceasefire - an element of the U.S. resolution. Washington has been working with Qatar and Egypt to try to broker a deal.
I'm just a random guy, you know, but when I read this kinda shit, I want to take an american tourist here, drug him, shove some crack in my butthole and a blowtorch and make him pay.
Death to americans
They had a chance under Biden. He was withholding large bombs and putting pressure on Netanyahu to end the conflict.
Now the bombs are being delivered and Trump is putting pressure on Netanyahu to finish the conflict.
Lol his one act of defiance was limiting the 2000lb bombs. Really worked hard there to stop it.
What pressure did Biden ever put on Israel?
At this point it doesn't matter if we voted for Harris if we didn't support them and do everything in our power to convince everyone else to do the same.
Harris lost because she wasn't perfect and that is OUR faults for constantly complaining about them.
Til we needed to put in 1000x more effort than either dnc candidate after being told a wet paper bag could beat trump.
Real the party can never fail only be failed energy
Til I had more impact than biden or Harris on the election. Totally more on comments than I do rather than them being gop lite.
Couldn't possibly be her saying most lethal military or anything else.
He did. He dropped out, but he very much did run.
Have a drink of water and drop the name-calling.
~~Hey you're cool with the current regime and like genocide! What's it like being a genocide apologist?~~
Edit: Taking potshots at people who I agree with and don't deserve it is bad form.
Hey, it'll be OK. If this is what trump is doing, then Kamala would be over there straight up drinking baby blood at this point.
Edit: Downvote all you want. It's only slightly more effective than what you voted for in November 😛
Well, they are one of two countries other than Israel that will continue to get military funding
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So probably no a coincidence that this is literally “Israel can take territory” and “Egypt can open their mouth” if they both want that aid to continue to flow.
I guess it's time for all the "protest voters" to either admit they never gave a shit about Palestine or admit they fell for Russian propaganda.
Of course that's if they remember about Palestine. A shiny red ball might have rolled past and distracted them.
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By your comment, should we assume you're the ones who thought that a known racist and islamophobe with ties with Israel would be the best option for Palestinians?
Well, Palestine won't exist in the next election cycle. What lies will you trust next?
If you voted for genocide...that was a mistake.
I didn't vote for genocide. What did you do?
These guys are absolutely bonkers.
"I didn't vote for genocide" says idiot who's inaction enabled genocide.
Same here bro, an actual progressive candidate who had no problem saying no to genocide unlike most of the Democrats here. What did Kamala do? She endorsed a smear ad against her:
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No, Kamala helped Trump:
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Kamala Harris Paid the Price for Not Breaking With Biden on Gaza, New Poll Shows
Twenty-nine percent of non-voters who supported Biden in 2020 said U.S. support for the genocide was the top reason they sat the 2024 election, according to a survey by YouGov.Ryan Grim (Drop Site News)
I didn’t vote for genocide.
Do you feel ok about that in the context of what's about to happen in Palestine?
Do I feel okay about voting for an anti-genocide candidate? Of course. Why wouldn't I?
The question is: why are so many people okay voting for a pro-genocide candidate?
We shouldn't even be having this conversation. No Democratic candidate should be supporting genocide. Ever. And nobody should be defending her!
Why wouldn’t I?
Because you've enabled Trump to grind palestinians into the dust.
Who do you think Palestinians wanted to win the election?
ceasefire right now because of Trump
Oh yes. I think he magically created this ceasfire right before floating his plan for ethnic cleansing right?
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"However, there indeed seems to be widespread agreement among diplomats and officials involved that Trump-related factors were quite important in finally spurring the deal to come together."
You also realize that Trump's comments don't equate to ethnic cleansing right?
Governor Gavin Newsom: "We need people in other states to house those impacted by the fires during cleanup & rebuilding efforts."
Democrats: "Oh, look at that. He's helping people."
Trump: "We need people in neighboring countries to house those impacted by the total destruction under Biden during cleanup & rebuilding efforts."
Democrats: "He's ethnic cleansing! He's a Nazi!"
Independent: "Why can't Israeli Jews help house Palestinians?"
Jews in Israel: "Because Palestinians are less human than us!"
Independent: "That sounds messed up. I think Israeli Jews might have messed up ideology."
Jews in Israel & AIPAC: "Antisemite!!!! Nazi!"
Democrats: "Antisemite Nazi!!!!"
How much credit does Trump really deserve for the Gaza ceasefire?
Trump’s role in the Israel-Hamas negotiation, explained.Andrew Prokop (Vox)
The irony of you losers high handing people. You lot lost this last election.
Who do you think you are? You're right down here in the mud with the rest of us. The party brand is in absolute tatters and trust in it has never been lower. Heck of a job. And then you try to lecture people? Its absurd.
@generalemergency,
Dnc centrists who wouldnt let any possible supporters of Palestinians into the democratic party convention are the real unsung heros here, right?
Do your posts like this one make you feel better about yourself? Thats why you're posting isnt it. You told yourself you 'held your nose' while voting but you didnt really hold your nose at all. You were happy to drop every semblence of basic human morality and dignity in order to win-- and then you lost anyway.. Now you're angry at those on your own side who didnt shit their own bed and roll around in it like you did.
To win at all in the future and reclaim the demographic losses, the dems need to admit that what was done in Plaestine was wrong. They need to admit Biden and Harris both were not doing their job and not representing the working class, but were simply chasing corporate and special interest campaign dollars. If the party can do that it might survive. Otherwise its probably dead, becuase No one thinks the democrats stand for anything, and the rage evident at the elites related to Luigi's prosecution is increasingly the response toward out of touch dem leaders. No one supports corporatists so get your shit together.
Dnc centrists who wouldnt let any possible supporters of Palestinians into the democratic party convention are the real unsung heros here, right?
The guy you're responding to never said that. You've discredited your entire comment in the first sentence and there's no reason to even bother reading the rest of whatever you wrote.
My dood, it is a two party system. Both parties sucked shit when it came to this issue, and the DNC lost votes due to this fact (as one side seems to like some genocide anyway). This issue across both awful parties is implied in the first post and is countered in the "discredited" comment, you know with the whole "held your nose" line. Guess you did not read that far....
You don't have to agree with the statement, but if you read that "discredited" comment you would see both of you; Know the worse party of the two won, and more importantly one of you seems to have an idea on how not to have the same thing happen again.
My dood, when he opens with a flat out lie about what the guy he's responding to said, I'm not going to bother reading the rest of it. I thought that I made that pretty clear. So trying to have a discussion about the rest of what he had to say isn't going to be very productive.
Yes, it's a two party system and both sucked on this issue. But one sucks a whole fucking lot more on it and also sucks on literally every other issue there is. And I'm not going to coddle a bunch of people who can't see that.
My dood, I am telling you they did not open with a flat out lie about the comment they are replying to. They are making a point you don't like, sure! But no where was there a lie about what people said, just inferences made.
Like cool, you dislike what was said, but spending more time defending your stance of not reading then just reading and downvoting is wild and silly.
It's funny you think there will be legitimate elections in 4 years. I mean Republicans are already pushing ways to give Trump a third term. So like, congrats on having Gaza screwed even harder while simultaneously throwing away any semblance of democracy?
At least the corporate corrupt Dems gave a small window for changing things democratically while not screwing over Trans people in the USA as well.
By abstaining you allowed the greater evil to prevail, not prevented any evil from occuring.
Nah, but I can live with knowing I at least tried to stop literal Nazis from gaining absolute power.
Can you say the same?
Do you think Musk wouldn't pay Democrat to get what he wanted? He literally manage to get his wealth while 2 Democrat presidents held office.
I believe he just change teams because it was expected after Biden left the race.
I do believe he knew before it is official that Biden would drop and Trump assassination attempt and moment was clear that he will get the same votes as before so he diced to get favor early.
Some timeline:
Trump assassination attempt was on July 13, 2024
Public Musk endorsement was on the same day.
Biden left the race on July 21, 2024
I do believe that while he might not be publicly a Nazi he will get what he need throughout Democrat president based on his history.
By abstaining you allowed the greater evil to prevail
I'm heartened to hear that you at least understand that Biden/Harris was evil. Its a good start.
Actual leftists KNEW that already. Kamala, Biden, the majority of the DNC - they're all corrupt corporatists.
But the situation the USA was in was one of minimizing overall damage. And with the corporatists, there was still a small chance of gaining some control from them peacefully via elections, if simply because more left leaning people can at least run under the Democrat moniker.
With the fascists, that opportunity is gone. By allowing them to win, not only do you worsen the genocide occuring in Israel (if not ensured Israel from achieving it entirely), but also just got killed a bunch of other people and hurt a huge amount of minorities in the USA as well.
Not voting didn't stop the genocide and never would have, but it did guarantee that it gets worse while hurting other innocents outside of Palestine as well. If you didn't vote for Kamala (which literally means "horrible" in Finnish), you're a dumbass, because you allowed a greater evil to prevail. Especially since I know many of y'all abstainers are still paying taxes anyway and funding the genocides either way.
But the situation the USA was in was one of minimizing overall damage
thats logical in a narrow scoping, but I think its reasonable to also consider the longer term effects of the 'left' party in the US continuing a track of far right wing actions over time and how that changes the Democratic party and likely destroys it. No one will vote for republican-lite or fascist lite-- those platforms always lose. The DNC doesn't understand that. Maybe occasionally a Dem leader goes off the rails and can be disavowed later, sure, but if the party stays evil for long enough, that option of disavowing the evildoers' mistakes goes away and sticks to all dems. The voter losses across all demographics in the last elections show we are at the point of losing the voters and with that our ability to win in the future. For now its still an option to disavow and explicitly reject Biden/Harris's actions, if we find the stones to throw the old pro-evil anti-lower and anti-middle class leadership out on their ass and admit they were wrong.
Sure the war crimes were destined to happen with either party after the election-- and I'd argue with similar severity. Both parties will let the zionists do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want. Both parties will also fund the zionists with weapons and money, and will run interference in the UN. But I'd rather they be done by the US republicans which gives us at least a chance to rescue the US Dems, which was badly in need of rescue. Rescue means disempowering the bad actors, which is now completed. Without a dethroning of centrism that evil direction was immutable due to the way funding steers political action in the US. So the dems had to lose the election to pure evil or face political dissolution as evil lite in the short-middle time frame. Yes, the cost is dire in terms of Trump being much worse with internal policy. The prognosis for the US is possibly fatal.. We are on life support as a country of laws and as an entity on the world stage with global reserve currency dominance.
Before the election, both parties seemed inevitably doomed-- it was simply of whether it was in the very short term or in the short-medium term. Now the Dems might conceivably disavow their mistakes and correct themselves, after a trip to the woodshed for what we all should agree is a beating of the neolibs that needs to occur if we are to move forward.
Either way we have a lot to answer for as a people who perpetuate this political reality, which affects the world quite a bit. The concept of collective responsibility exists, even if Americans seldom talk about it or understand it.
Your argument doesn't follow logic.
1) you say voting for Dems would destroy it, but letting literal fascists get absolute power would also destroy it, permanently, while also destroying why change for actual leftists to gain power.
2) for some reason you think it's better to let the fascists win to destroy the center right, but not destroy the fascists by not allowing them to gain power continuously???
3) you stated it's not ethical to allow the Democrats to continue existing as they are because they're not as a whole left wing and are also causing harm, but it's ethical to have many more suffer? That's just hypocrisy.
4) you assume the DNC is dumb rather than corrupt
5) you assume you'll still have a legitimate democracy after Trump.
you say voting for Dems would destroy it, but letting literal fascists get absolute power would also destroy it, permanently,
"it" the first time being the democratic party. We cant prop up a far right dem party. correct.
Your second use of "it" is the republic itself.
Call me names all you want, or disagree all you want, thats fine with me.
But you're literally propping up a much farther right republican party, and the dissolution of any democracy.
That is, by definition, hypocrisy. That's not me calling you a name, that's pointing out a fact in your actions.
Your actions and stated desired ultimate outcome simply don't match.
The party with the best option to beat trump is still walking around with no future because it has its head up its own arse. They cant admit that abandoning the working class and embracing zionist murder for some campaign cash is going to keep them from winning in the future. And Hasbara is still paying its trolls, clearly.
What makes you think bots left? They are probably low cost to run once theyve been set up. By bots maybe you mean the opinions you dont like dont post as much? Yeah everyone feels defeated and hopeless. Most of my friends wont read the news anymore. I dont blame them.
No lets circle back to exactly what you said. How are they "much worse off"?
So, "silly you", you admit what you said isnt true, right? The brutality you cited under trump is the same (or less) brutality Palestinians enjoyed under Biden? If you agree, then I agree with you.
And what lesson would that be? Because I've seen that line of thinking parroted a suspicious amount lately and I've seen one person actually explain what they mean.
So enlighten me.
And what lesson would that be?
I'll humor you, although I'm surprised you've not heard this yet:
What Dem leadership should have learned:
- Have to get back to operating from a platform, not vibes or cult of personality.
- No more genocide. Get back to leading from principle rather than realpolitik. Explicitely ditch the far right zionists-- we can make money elsewhere, and we are not a far right party.
- Be the party of the people. Lower and middle class votes are needed to win. Get back to expanding social programs.
- Stop insulting people. We don't "go high when they go low", we kick their ass wherever they are, but we don't insult voters, and we also dont self-censor for comity's sake.
- To move fwd and reunite the coalition that is the Dem party, we have to acknowledge that the party hasnt been doing what the people want, and was also engaging in a genocide. No more weasel words around that. Lets get it over with.
- Act like the party is a coalition, not a centrally controlled imperium. Stop kicking the left in the face.
- Dont look for votes form the right.
- Dont lionize bipartisanship as a goal unto itself.
- Create metrics for success and be accountable for them.
- Publish a long term plan for the party, and candidates who wont adhere to it shouldnt be in the party.
- Kick out the right wingers. When we get Bidens/Manchins/Liebermans not towing the line, remove them from their committees and dont fund their re-elections. No dems should be against the platform like Biden did for ~40 years being anti abortion. He should have been kicked to the curb decades ago.
- No more "seniority" in congressional leadership appointments. Go by merit and votes of the constituents.
- term limits for leadership appointments.
- A code of ethics. For starters, dems shouldnt ever be trading stocks the legislate on. It soils the image of the whole party when individuals are corrupt, and that needs to stop. Pelosi needs to go for her decades of insider trading. That never should have been permitted.
- Set a mandatory retirement age for Dems. 70 sounds reasonable. If you are a judge you leave after 70 as soon as a dem administration can appoint your successor. No more waiting for death/incapacity and hurting your party when you go out that way. Lets get these people thinking of the party over their own arrogance. It took everyone way too lont to admit Biden was not fit to run again. That was BS. Party members should have been able to question his competence earlier.
- No more telling states they cant vote in the primary like the dnc did with new hampshire.
- no more shenanigans during primaries like Hillary did with Bernie.. They should be fair votes. No more effing superdelegates.
- no more locking constituents out of the convention. The DNC doesnt get to censure voters requests. Those corrupt sons of bitches need to admit they work for us.
Great fucking job, bothsiders. Now you get Genocide++.
I really hope you’re happy that your conscience is clean now the guy who’s main spokesman said Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’ and who himself declared it ‘could be better than Monaco’, clearly with an eye towards beachfront real estate, has the power to make that happen for his own gain.
This was entirely predictable, and we told you this would happen. Trump told you so himself. The dems weren’t perfect by any stretch, but Kamala absolutely wasn’t looking at the situation as to how she could personally profit through real estate development if the Palestinians were just wiped off the map as quickly as possible. Trump likely had the choicest property mapped out, with property developers already submitting proposals.
If you abstained because of both-sides re Israel, fuck you. You at best were played and at worst helped to play others, and now we ALL get to suffer.
Jared Kushner says Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’
Donald Trump’s son-in-law also says Israel should bulldoze an area of the Negev desert and move Palestinians therePatrick Wintour (The Guardian)
600-900 aid trucks are entering Gaza every day and the bombs have stopped falling.
Trump talks shit a lot, but until he actually does something the situation now is far better than it was under Biden.
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Can you elaborate?
What about Trump's arrival / Biden's departure has enabled 900 aid trucks to start rolling into Gaza every day ?
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The genocide, at the moment, has entered a new phase without bombs or starvation. Let's be clear: the genocide didn't start on Oct 7th and it didn't end with the ceasefire. Israel has always been a genocidal entity. We are just in a less violent phase.
But even if this ceasefire is political it's hardly a "charade". It's a real ceasefire! It's really saving people's lives! Without it, I don't believe Gaza would have survived the winter - too much sickness and starvation. People are living right now who would otherwise be dead.
Until Trump actually does something the situation is better now than it was under Biden.
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Yeah, but it was pressure from Trump that achieved it, because when Israel told Biden to jump, he did as he was told.
Hence why he earned the moniker: Genocide Joe.
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Pressure from Trump?? What reality do you live in lol
When Israel tells Trump to jump he says here are all the weapons I can give you and more. Biden sucks in this situation, Trump actually wants people to suffer so the Christian evangelicals stay happy
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Pressure from Trump?? What reality do you live in lol
Yes, pressure from Trump. Listen to Democracy Now from the 16th which covers this.
This ceasefire deal was the same one proposed by Biden in May of last year. Hamas agreed to it, but Netanyahu did not.
What changed? Trump put his foot down.
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How is it possible that you believe trump (who wasn’t in office and had no diplomatic team) achieved the ceasefire,
The Biden admin hasn't done anything except send WMD's when told.
That's it.
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Trump's Mideast envoy forced Netanyahu to accept a Gaza plan he repeatedly rejected
Israeli sources say that the involvement of the incoming U.S. administration, led by Trump's aggressive Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff, revived hostage talks with Hamas.Chaim Levinson (Haaretz)
You’re kidding, right? You think that aid is because of trump, when you’re responding in an article that says his stated motives are the opposite of that?
Much of that aid was already secured before he took office. Shit takes time – especially in a war zone. Wait a month or so and get back to me on whether aid from the US continues. The US has been giving aid to many places that will continue for a short while until the new policies filter through.
Listen to what the new moron-in-chief says, and notice that some policies take a bit of time to take effect. Like the US economy, for instance. Large systems don’t turn on a dime.
They could have gotten that aid in any time they wanted. It doesn't just take time, it takes political will. The trucks were already there and the aid was all ready to go, they just had to be let in the border by the Zionist entity. They needed a ceasefire.
I'll definitely be watching what happens over the next weeks and months, but how about we actually do that instead of catastrophize every time the moron in chief says something stupid that he can't enforce? Forcing Egypt and Jordan to take 1.5-2 million refugees is about as likely as Trump actually annexing Greenland. This shit isn't happening.
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Wait a month or so and get back to me on whether aid from the US continues.
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The dems weren’t perfect by any stretch
Totally.
Enthusiastically helping Israel stack bodies for four years was definitely imperfect.
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Of everything I said, that’s the part you decided to focus on?
e: not that trump had said he’d glass the region to build hotels?
I could not care less about what Trump says.
I heard Biden, for four years, wring his hands publicly and pretend to give a shit, all while giving WMD's to Israel every single time they demanded it, in full knowledge they were bombing hospitals, schools and kids.
What I care about is what's actually being done, and in the short-term, Trump's actions are improving the situation. I'm sure his reasons for this are some form of self-enrichment, and I doubt that it will last, but that remains to be seen. Right now, things are better than they were a few weeks ago for the people in Gaza.
Biden allowed the genocide to continue literally to his last day in office, despite all the soaring speeches and public statements he made about peace.
You're right! If both options are bad, then we SHOULD let the worse one win!
Hurray!
You don't have any objective facts you can point to here to demonstrate that Trump is worse than Biden, and in the short-term, Trump is substantially better. The genocide continued literally up to the last day of Biden's presidency.
That's the point. Calling the Democrats 'imperfect' on Israel isn't just wrong, it's vulgarly and sickeningly euphemistic.
And why can’t they wage war on the world? What are we gonna do about?
And seems Trump is laser focused on erasing Palestine and giving his donors everything they promised.
I have been for years.
And no the choice was status quo genocide enabler and fascist genocide promoter.
All this finger wagging because people criticized democrats sending billions in weapons which were used in the genocide? Somehow it's protestors fault in this scenario.
The degree to which you bend over backwards to support the legitimacy of a system where BOTH SIDES of the two-party system fully support israel is astonishing. You speak of others getting played, yet here you are getting played into thinking you can make a difference in a government that has fully supported israel since its establishment regardless of who is in power.
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Great fucking job, bothsiders. Now you get Genocide++.
Sound like you still haven't acknowledged the ongoing genocide or understand what is going on in gaza. There's no such thing as genocide or genocide++ the same way there's no holocaust or holocaust++.
People who chose not to support any scum with blood on their hands have no guilt, they did the correct thing. Assuming you supported the red and blue parties you have more guilt than everyone else, you gave your vote to murderers.
Instead of telling you to go fuck off like you did i'm going encourage you to document yourself on what's going on in gaza and how governments worldwide are allowing it to happen.
The genocide in Ukraine and everything that happens to minorities in the US is your fault if you didn't vote Harris.
Sitting on the sideline with your thumb up your ass wasn't going to somehow give us Mr. Rogers as president.
The genocide in Ukraine and everything that happens to minorities in the US is your fault if you didn’t vote Harris.
Think with your own head. People didn't got their rights and freedom by supporting the lesser evil ruler. If the choice is between two murderers the correct thing to do is to be against them.
Congrats American leftists, this is what you wanted. You got played and it was so damn obvious. “But Biden…” well enjoy Trump.
The American right united and the American left splintered into little self made groups with special labels and began fighting, hating and rejecting each other.
“I didn’t vote trump, i just refused to vote Biden!” Well you got your choice then, so shut the fuck up and eat it. You think you hurt the democrats by losing them the election? You think they care or will lose money?
You guys essentially chopped off your own foot and are happy cause you sprayed blood on someone you didn’t like.
Ps: American leftists have no fucking clue what a leftist is. Hating and calling fascist on everyone who is slightly right or even left of you is not being a leftist.
Here are my thoughts:
- Israel has been committing genocide in Gaza since day 1, they just pick up the pace sometimes
- Every US president this century has enabled this
- Biden and Harris were all on board with the current round of fast genocide and they should be remembered for it
- Trump pretends to be anti-war but emboldened this shit by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem in 2018 or 19
- Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, as evidenced by meeting him during the campaign last year
- Any ceasefire supposedly happening right now is entirely to give Trump good press. He's going to give Israel even more support for their imperialist bullshit than Biden did and Harris would have
- Because Trump won, the federal government is going after immigrants, nonwhite people, LGBT people, etc, and is going to further tear the good parts of the government down
I'm pretty disillusioned with the Democrats between the imperialism and almost completely giving in to the fascist takeover, but I wouldn't be looking to get out of the country if Harris had won, so thanks for that if you could have voted and didn't.
edit: I voted Uncommitted in the primary, helped out at my local Gaza camp, and have gone to rallies and distributed books about Palestine, so I'm not just sitting here at my computer saying all this
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The only foreign agents are those on AIPAC’s payroll
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Pro-Israel Recipients
See aggregated party breakdowns and incumbency status of recipients of contributions from Pro-Israel industries/interest groups for every election cycle from 1998 to 2024.OpenSecrets
Honestly. And I mean honestly.
Why is America so be bed with Israel? Is it just purely a tactical location or is there way more underhand shit we can't talk about because if you call someone out for doing something they shouldn't and they are Jewish then you're a Nazi?
People must be getting bribes and threats and more people in the government must care about Israel than the number of people that care about Palestinian.
Surely people don't care that much about that patch of sand.
It's our window into directly destabilizing the middle east.
Does that mean in 20 years or so when solar is king and wind is a strong second and the middle east is in obscurity america will stop caring about Israel, you think?
I think they will care less. But I don't know how much less.
Part of that is a self feeding prophecy.
American companies, such as Intel, Microsoft, and Apple built their first overseas research and development facilities in Israel.
Like no reason they couldn't have chosen the UK or Australia.
couldn’t have chosen the UK or Australia.
Israel has a large IT and ComSci talent pool to draw from.
Why can’t people vote for the lesser evil in the short term and push for change after the election too.
They did that in 2020 and the lesser evil told them to go fuck themselves, policy-wise.
almost completely giving in to the fascist takeover
Did you see the pictures of Kamala and Mike Johnson smiling as they watched the vote count on January 6?
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As leftists like to say to justify their one-sided attacks against Democrats: "Republicans are going to Republican".
Leftists know this and still decided to do all they can to make sure they give the reins of power to Republicans yet again to "punish" Democrats when all their privileged white asses are doing is punishing lgbtq, poc, and now Palestinians despite their use of their issue to justify not voting Democrat.
But no war but class war right?
If you want to enter a house, do you use the door or the brick wall? In this scenario, the republicans are the brick wall and the democrats are the door. In theory, the door is more willing to allow entrance. How you're framing this is that using the door is an attack on the door. This is the same attitude conservatives use when people critique the US where they'll respond with "America: love it or leave it".
As for punishing minorities, I'd take democrats more seriously about their claims of standing up for minorities if they weren't so quick to ignore them or throw them under the bus. It was Palestinians and others in Arab communities who were driving the uncommitted movement. It was a movement that simply asked that people mark uncommitted during the primaries where Biden was running practically unopposed. This is the lightest of resistance ever, did not threaten the presidential election, and clearly delivered the message that people were displeased with Biden. What did democrats do in response? Screamed at the minorities and preemptively blamed them for sowing division and continued pushing Biden until his debate performance made it apparent to even party diehards that Biden was not going to win. However, the party diehards still wanted to continue his policies, so they saddled Harris with the burden of continuing his garbage policies. Democrats simply did not listen to voter concerns during the election.
You're saying that Palestinians are "now" being punished, but this only shows your ignorance of over a year of intensified genocide and the decades-long campaign of ethnic cleansing Palestinians have had to endure with the support of both US parties. It's less that Palestinians are "now" being punished and more like democrats are blaming everyone but themselves like they always do, even though they had the power to make a difference. Curiously, they did not use that power. I would be interested in your explanation for why democrats chose not to.
I'm just explaining to you how it works, you can keep blaming ppl for not voting rather than politics for not having actual program that make people vote for them. That way you make sure to not hold politics accountable after all they can do whatever they want and do nothing as long as the guy in front of them say worse shit. Just look where you went until now
They weren't going to put immigrants in camps. I as a gay man didn't have to worry about the sane had Harris won.
But at least some Marxists have a sense of moral superiority
I don't owe Democrats my vote. They have to earn it. Apparently, those voters did not think that Harris deserved their votes.
Now, I do think that you should vote in every election. There were multiple candidates from alternative parties that were against the genocide. If those candidates had gotten the votes instead, that could've really made a difference.
Ok so this is what Im talking about when I say that “at least when Im being taken to a death-camp you can tell yourself you did the thing that agreed with your morals”
And this is why so many leftists are not actual allies of the LGBTQIA+ community because when their idealism is faced with reality they choose to sacrifice the vulnerable populations for their idealism.
From what I gather, you're making the insinuation that the people who refused to vote for Kamala due to her (and Biden's) support of Israel are responsible for Trump and his heavy-handed approach.
I'd retort by stating that Israel has killed near 100k Palestinians and reduced most of the territory to rubble all while Biden's administration had been sending bombs, guns, tanks, missiles, and money.
The main difference between Trump and Biden on this issue is how loud and open they are about it.
Is there a difference between discretely supporting apartheid or openly supporting apartheid? Probably, in an intellectual sense. But what difference does it make to the tens of thousands of Gazan widows?
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The Gazans aren’t going to leave, it is their land. What will Trump do? Biden already destroyed 60% of buildings, 92% of homes, 88% of schools, 68% of cropland, 68% of road networks, while only 50% of hospitals are partially functioning.
Gazans will rebuild with or without US support. The vast majority of the world recognizes their right to self determination. The US is the odd one here and with Trump at the helm it is increasingly isolated.
People like you didn't standup to stop genocide because the democrat thought rightly it is not an issue for you.
Democrat refused to secure Michigan, or learn anything from Clinton loss, and hand everything to " a threat to democracy "
Democrat did nothing to limit the influence of oligarchy on the state, and didn't bother addressing basic stuff like raising minimum wage to an acceptable rate. And many other things.
So you should direct your anger at the party that didn't give a damn about " greatest threat to democracy"
And that's why Kamala's stance on Palestine never bothered me.
I knew that as bad as it was, Trump would be worse.
I was right.
Indeed, this is what I keep telling people.
There's no happy-feel-good everyone walks away with their faerie tale sitcom ending.
The world situation is fucked, when your options are crawl through broken glass or swim across a river of piss, well it might not smell good, but at least I'm a strong swimmer and urine is allegedly sterile.
Okay I double checked, urine isn't sterile, but it has low amounts of bacteria and isn't going to lead to me bleeding out or needing immediate medical attention.
sometimes you have to pick the lesser evil.
Sometimes it's better to rip the dressing off ad quick as possible.
If Harris was worried about it, why didn't she change course on the campaign trail?
Why did she let Trump take office?
Because most people weren't arguing about Gaza and it wouldn't have changed the outcome.
With the benefit of hindsight, the only way she could have won would have been to address the high cost of living. "The economy" was the highest ranked issue and people voted for the guy who lied about eggs.
These comment are absolutely insane. It is like, yes lets cook this genocide on slow heat for a few years while enjoying our life in the US. Blaming anyone who took stand, and continue to take stand, instead of blaming themselves.
If Gaza was actually a reason for democrat losing, why people didnt protest who they did it to the point where it was clear to them it will make a difference. And if they did, why blaming people instead of the party that didnt want their votes?
On top of that as you and everyone mention it is economy proven by data, but they want to blame people whos families bombed by american made weapon! Like wtf is wrong with these people!
Because most people weren’t arguing about Gaza and it wouldn’t have changed the outcome.
Well, I know it wasn't the sole cause for her loss.
With the benefit of hindsight, the only way she could have won would have been to address the high cost of living.
No hindsight needed! EVERYONE was telling her campaign this, and they ignored it, in favor of "data driven strategy", where they A/B tested the hell out of everything for a theoretical "typical voter".
“The economy” was the highest ranked issue and people voted for the guy who lied about eggs.
Yes, because Harris wasn't believing anything to be an issue, while homelessness is spiking, costs of living are spiking, costs for housing are spiking... Harris demanded people believe her, over their own growling stomachs.
So, yes, her loss was multipartite, and had little to do with voters who couldn't be arsed to vote for someone who has no connection to reality, and loves engaging in genocide.
Why did she let Trump take office?
She didn't let Trump take office. You and everyone who didn't vote for Democrats or worked around the clock to try to depress voter turnout for Democrats let Trump take office.
Gaza was fucked under either presidential option and we all knew that
The USA is a genocidal regime and everybody who participated in their election, giving their democratic legitimacy to this kind of state is sharing guilt for the same crime.
At least if nobody had voted, we could threat them for what they are - a dictatorship, and isolate them on the international scene. But nooo, you people were too afraid of having to actually fight back against fascism.
All these comments thinking this is a gotcha moment for people who didn't vote for the Democrats.
Biden supported the last 15 months of genocide, supplied, the weapons, political cover and support.
The only reason Gaza hasn't been totally emptied is because Egypt refused to accept millions of refugees.
Trump is only saying what the Democrats believe but were too disingenuous to admit.
Trump is suggesting ethnic cleansing. Here's how it's really the Democrats' fault.
Fuck off.
Democrats commit genocide and suggest ethnic cleansing, here is how they are better than trump.
This is the US position since 1980 so maybe direct your anger at people who is committing genocide instead of blaming people who are trying to change on going genocide.
Which Democrat said we should "clean out Gaza?" Which one wants their son-in-law to have first dibs on the new beachfront property once all the Palestinians are gone?
They are also better than Trump on literally every domestic issue you can possibly name.
The two sides are not the same no matter how much you want to pretend they are.
Yes they are different, but when it comes to a specific issue, "support israel genocide and ethnic cleansing and expansion" They are literally the same.
This is known, since at least the 1980s they US government tried to negotiate with Egypt and Jordan to take people of Gaza.
The only different between the two is "one say it out loud" the "other say it quietly while lying on live tv"
That's rude.
Blinken and his senile boss got told by Egypt and Jordan to fuck off over accepting refugees back in November 2023. Jordan threatened war if that happened.
The Democrats are Zionist puppets just like Republicans. The only difference is Republicans don't shed crocodile tears.
DC has a ton of poor black areas, so they'd actually be down with that.
If you want something Trump would actually fear, threaten to build wind turbines near his golf courses.
You know what? Maybe we should give them a nice place to live in the west bank. A prime Palestinian ground. Where, you ask? Oh don't worry, we'll find some other population over there to suppress.
2047: Oh no, the Palestinians are committing genocide! Let's give the genocides population a different place to call home
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I don't need to back my words with the domain I come from.
That is a pretty pathetic response, especially when you follow it up with a made up scenario. Especially in defense of a state sponsor of terrorism.
Also, if you're going to make your money publishing Hasbara, you need to learn how to use the correct 'your'.
My support is steadfast but I'm realistic. the US Congress is bought by AIPAC and it makes no difference to Palestinians who is in the White House.
At least the Democrats know on some level that supporting genocide cost them the election.
Maybe the better plan was a massive protest by all Democrats to stop a live on tv genocide instead of passing congress to send more aid to Israel?
When democrat abandon arab voters why anyone expect them to be there when the other group getting attack?
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Israeli forces shoot, kill Lebanese residents returning south
Israeli forces opened fire on Lebanese people returning to their homes in southern Lebanon on Sunday, killing at least 15 people and injuring 83 others.
Lebanese residents attempted to return to their villages in defiance of Israeli military orders on the day a deadline for the Israeli military to withdraw from Lebanese territory expired.
Israel said on Friday that it would keep its forces in the south beyond the deadline set under a US-brokered ceasefire with Hezbollah. The Israeli government accused Lebanon of not yet fully enforcing the terms of the agreement, requiring the disarmament of Hezbollah in the south and the deployment of the Lebanese army in the area.
Israeli forces shoot, kill Lebanese residents returning south
Israeli forces opened fire on Lebanese people returning to their homes in southern Lebanon on Sunday, killing at least 15 people and injuring 83 others.Nader Durgham (Middle East Eye)
Technically... According to "god"... It's actually israel and not lebanon... \s \s \s
Core Elements of Capitalism, Socialism (Primary, Intermediate, and Advanced Stages), and Communism
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It’s based on the writings of professor Cheng Enfu, President of the Academy of Marxism at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) and Director of the Academic Division of Marxist Studies of CASS.
Socialism and communism are not one and done processes. They are gradual changes, both Marx and Lenin have addressed this extensively. We can’t just instantly press the big communism button unfortunately.
Core Elements of Capitalism, Socialism (Primary, Intermediate, and Advanced Stages), and Communism
This graph is important
It’s based on the writings of professor Cheng Enfu, President of the Academy of Marxism at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS) and Director of the Academic Division of Marxist Studies of CASS.
Socialism and communism are not one and done processes. They are gradual changes, both Marx and Lenin have addressed this extensively. We can’t just instantly press the big communism button unfortunately.
Lemmy selfhost hints
Hi all!
I have decided to setup and selfhost my own private Lemmy instance.
I will be doing with docker (podman, actually).
Should I host at home or use a dedicated VPS?
Anybody selfhosting its own Lemmy?
Do you guys have any hints for me?
Thanks! I have a more powerful hardware than a pi, how is it about bandwidth?
I will have two, maybe three users.
Shortcut: use Tailscale to create your own private network and avoid hosting on the big, bad Internet. Otherwise, you really have to be careful on how you protect your services.
Minor downside (or upside) is that you'll have to install the Tailscale app on each device you want to make part of the network.
This made hosting at home a lot easier for me.
Update:
Ah! I misread the post. Tailscale doesn't make sense for this use case. My bad! 😅
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Thank you, I am allergic to tailscale (joking).
I already selfhost lots of stuff for family and friends using reverse proxy+https a public domain(s) and a VPS tunneled back (wireguard) home since I am behind CGNAT. And authelia on top of it all.
My setup should be safe enough also for a Lemmy instance.
I have heard of headscale, and agree that would fix my allergies.
But I don't have a use case for that either, so...
Maybe in the future, who knows.
Alternatives to VirtualBox?
VirtualBox is ridiculously simple to set up and get virtual machines going. Shared folders, shared clipboard and much more are no issue.
But.
It eats resources. The installed virtual machines (VM) run relatively slow. What have you found to be feature comparable - and most importantly more resource-efficient - alternatives for running VMs under Linux?
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As jet points out, QEMU for actual hardware virtualisation.
There is one relevant thing, which is not exactly in the same category, but does somewhat similar thing:
containers
most popular example being Docker
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Containe…
containers don't emulate whole hardware stack like virtual machines do, they just run the guest OS on top of host OS.
so because they don't put resources towards emulating hardware, they are much more resource efficient.
so if your problem is "I'm running Fedora but I want to run something that for some reason runs just on Ubuntu", then you could use containers for that.
containers are mostly used in headless environments (as in servers, no GUI), so running and displaying desktop Linux inside them is a bit tricky, but it can be done.
they emulate just the OS
Containers don't emulate anything. They have an OS installed within them. Typically you use Alpine Linux which super minimalistic and lightweight.
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There's nothing better than virtual box for desktop environments, especially after you install the guest tools.
I don't know what you mean by "it eats resources" - of course it does, you're emulating and entire system. What are your expectations?
Virtual Box is a Type 2 hypervisor, which means it's running on top of the OS, and not directly on the hardware.
KVM is a Type 1, which runs directly on the hardware itself.
There are pros and cons to each, and VBOX is a great piece of software, but it is more resource intensive than other options available.
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And it performs very well, especially for gui applications. It even supports multiple monitors for the guest.
For running a desktop it's clearly superior and "fast enough". I used it to run my primary development environment for years.
qemu-img convert -f vdi -O qcow2 Windows10.vdi Windows10.qcow2
Here's a more complete guide: cubiclenate.com/2024/05/30/con…
Converting VDI to QCOW2 | Step-by-Step Guide for Virt-Manager Migration
The content discusses the process of migrating a VDI image of Windows 10 from Virtualbox to Virt-Manager. It outlines the steps of converting VDI to QCOW2, importing it to Virt-Manager, enabling cl…CubicleNate's Techpad
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Virtualbox should not run slowly in terms of compute. Make sure your allocating enough cores and memory, and VT/AMD-V is enabled in the BIOS of the host. Also Guest additions should be installed. Not sure but that might help IO speeds.
What might be slow, Graphics may not be acceralerated. Exactly what VM software to use, what it works with, and actually getting it to work can be challanging. Installing guest drivers though is probably required.
For Linux KVM solutions are probably preferred and more native solution but more technical to use. Getting graphics acceleration with KVM has been challenging, though may be possible. KVM is used widely on servers, but is not that desktop friendly.
All VM solutions are resource intensive. Use containers and/or native software to reduce/avoid that.
Edit: I myself have used VirtualBox but these days I use KVM including on my workstation.
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group that you have to add a user to for KVM/QEMU with Virt-Manager, but the same could be said for VirtualBox as I believe you have to still add the user to the vboxusers
group if you were to install it instead.
GitHub - cyberus-technology/virtualbox-kvm: KVM Backend for VirtualBox. With our current development model, we cannot easily accept pull requests here. If you'd like to contribute, feel free to reach out to us, we are happy to find a solution.
KVM Backend for VirtualBox. With our current development model, we cannot easily accept pull requests here. If you'd like to contribute, feel free to reach out to us, we are happy to find a sol...GitHub
Vagrant by Hashicorp.
Edit: if the news of IBM acquiring them goes through, I will cry. And we live in the worst timeline, so it'll happen.
Vagrant by HashiCorp
Vagrant enables users to create and configure lightweight, reproducible, and portable development environments.Vagrant by HashiCorp
ibm is going to buy the entire ansible-verse; so be ready.
i will weep with you in solidarity. 😉
I agree. The only feature where I'd say it's weaker feature-wise is it doesn't have any form of virtual GPU acceleration - either you deal with software rendering or have to pass through a graphics card (I've done it, but it's not easy.).
Otherwise, I'd say it tends to run better than VirtualBox, though it's been years since I last used Vbox anyhow. A plus is Virt Manager comes in most distro repos, whereas VirtualBox doesn't. Also, it allows you to directly edit the XML, so you can do some cool stuff that would be really annoying (not impossible) to do in VirtualBox.
This "Beginners Guide" they have there is a serious turnoff. They might want to consider a more lightweight and friendly intro to their software. 😄
Still, if I find the time to go through this massive wall of text, I will.
GitHub - quickemu-project/quickemu: Quickly create and run optimised Windows, macOS and Linux virtual machines
Quickly create and run optimised Windows, macOS and Linux virtual machines - quickemu-project/quickemuGitHub
Really wish we wouldn't have to separate the two. This adds a complication layer for exiting Windows users.
Ideally: install app (insert name). Run and enjoy.
You can specify the virtualization engine in VirtualBox, including KVM.
A couple of easy virtualization tools that allow you to create VMs in a few clicks are Gnome Boxes and QuickEmu, which leverages Qemu and KVM
Might be that you really don't need VMs but just lightweight namespace containers. If so, you can use docker/podman, systemd-nspawn or various other tools. The overhead will be less than 1% if you stay within the same architecture as your host.
Virt-manager with qemu-system, although if you use the kvm driver for both performance should be about the same I think.
Don't forget virtualbox has a lot of configuration options that may improve performance, Ive never had a problem with it but also never need high performance from a VM.
IPTV: Why XtreamCube is the Best Choice for Modern Viewers
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In every BGS game ghouls all look identical, and it drives me insane. I feel it really detracts from the fact that ghoulification should be a unique experience to all that undergo it. Unless the Followers have invented some new kinda wasteland plastic surgery trend, of course, but I doubt that.
also ferals look so different from sane ghouls in all the bgs games which I feel is kind of a missed oppurtunity
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I think they just were in f1 (iirc they were mostly moral device in the game, like who cares they are zombies or oh god I can't just steal from people), in f2 they were exposed to fev, and in later games not sure probably retconned one way or another.
If there is no fev in the air where all other mutants come from? 🤔
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radiation works differently in fallout cause the devs wanted cool monsters
Commonwealth ghouls have access to a wig shop.
That’s the only way i can figure it.
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All feral ghouls should look like the top.
Non-feral ghouls should mostly have their heads totally shaved because they're still ghouls and can't grow a full head of hair. Although some of them might wear wigs lmao
Ghouls are too cute now, at least in Fallout 3 they were clearly disfigured (if unvaried and lacking expressiveness) I agree, we gotta lean into the horror of ghoulification. As of present the anti-ghoul sentiments seem really hard to hold up in setting. Like, we coulda had ghouls with half-attached ears, and cancerous growths on their necks, but now we just get kinda melty mannequins.
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in reply to Sandbag • • •Is it for the sake of "Trump proofing" or are there other reasons? Looking at what has been safeguarded one thinks they are expecting a some sociology department purge. No matter what one might think it's still a really bad idea to start a book burning. Even if it could be objectively proven that all that stuff is nonsense and dangerous it still doesn't mean that they warrant destruction, because everything is worthy of keeping around because it can still be referenced and for history's sake. People who ban books and restrict access are really more afraid of an argument than protecting the truth.
fyi: Never title our posts like "I found this on site X" or "I found this to be cool". It's seriously bad practice.
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Better safe than sorry I guess, but I'd really like to know what they're keeping it safe from. Surely backups already exist for anything deemed important.
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