A smartphone smuggled out of North Korea is offering a rare – and unsettling – glimpse into the extent of control Kim Jong Un's regime exerts over its citizens, down to the very words they type. While the device appears outwardly similar to any modern smartphone, its software reveals a far more oppressive reality. The phone was featured in a BBC video, which showed it powering on with an animated North Korean flag waving across the screen. While the report did not specify the brand, the design and user interface closely resembled those of a Huawei or Honor device.
It's unclear whether these companies officially sell phones in North Korea, but if they do, the devices are likely customized with state-approved software designed to restrict functionality and facilitate government surveillance.
One of the more revealing – and darkly amusing – features was the phone's automatic censorship of words deemed problematic by the state. For instance, when users typed oppa, a South Korean term used to refer to an older brother or a boyfriend, the phone automatically replaced it with comrade. A warning would then appear, admonishing the user that oppa could only refer to an older sibling.
Typing "South Korea" would trigger another change. The phrase was automatically replaced with "puppet state," reflecting the language used in official North Korean rhetoric.
Then came the more unsettling features. The phone silently captured a screenshot every five minutes, storing the images in a hidden folder that users couldn't access. According to the BBC, authorities could later review these images to monitor the user's activity.
The device was smuggled out of North Korea by Daily NK, a Seoul-based media outlet specializing in North Korean affairs. After examining the phone, the BBC confirmed that the censorship mechanisms were deeply embedded in its software. Experts say this technology is designed not only to control information but also to reinforce state messaging at the most personal level.
Smartphone usage has grown in North Korea in recent years, but access remains tightly controlled. Devices cannot connect to the global internet and are subject to intense government surveillance.
The regime has reportedly intensified efforts to eliminate South Korean cultural influence, which it views as subversive. So-called "youth crackdown squads" have been deployed to enforce these rules, frequently stopping young people on the streets to inspect their phones and review text messages for banned language.
Some North Korean escapees have shared that exposure to South Korean dramas or foreign radio broadcasts played a key role in their decision to flee the country. Despite the risks, outside media continues to be smuggled in – often via USB sticks and memory cards hidden in food shipments. Much of this effort is supported by foreign organizations.
The phone was featured in a BBC video, which showed it powering on with an animated North Korean flag waving across the screen. While the report did...
Last year a longstanding conspiracy was reignited, telling the tale of how your smartphone is listening to your conversations and delivering targeted ads, but it still isn't true and the way you actually get your ads is much more unsettling.
I was going to say "that article mostly just seems to debunk the 'my phone is always listening to me' conspiracy theory" but then I got to the part about over 50% of analyzed Android apps having permission to take screenshots :/
Out of over 17,000 Android apps examined, more than 9,000 had potential permissions to take screenshots. And a number of apps were found to actively be doing so, taking screenshots and sending them to third-party sources.
this is a weird paragraph. no permission is needed for an app to take screenshots of itself. all apps can do that.
just an example: the Element matrix client has a bugreport feature that allows you to submit an automatically created screenshot of the previous menu.
Do those code snippets on the Stackoverflow post allow you to capture the entire screen regardless of which app is open, or do they only allow you to capture the app the code is running in?
Capturing the app itself makes sense (for things like bug reports) but does Android really let any app capture whatever is on the screen?
no, they only allow the app to capture its own screen content. to make a regular screenshot of the whole display, the app needs a permission that the user has to approve every single time, at least on most phones. that API is actually for continuous screen recording, but of course usable for this purpose too. this also means that after getting approved by the user, the app can keep its recording sessions to keep more screenshots, but that ends when the app gets killed by android. I think the system also shows a notification when an app is recording, but as anything that too could vary with phones.
This is why my TV is on a separate VLAN (with no internet access) and I use an Nvidia Shield for streaming. I haven't seen any indication that the Shield does anything like this.
The one time I do connect the TV to the internet is when there's a firmware update that fixes an issue I'm encountering. That's rare though.
I still have it on my network so I can control it using Home Assistant (eg have a backlight come on and dim the main lights when the TV is turned on) but it's on an isolated VLAN.
Although I dislike recall as much as anyone else, this is quite a bit worse.
From the article:
Then came the more unsettling features. The phone silently captured a screenshot every five minutes, storing the images in a hidden folder that users couldn't access. According to the BBC, authorities could later review these images to monitor the user's activity.
For sure. But at least those images aren't kept in a secret location where users can't see or delete them. Even if Recall makes this harder, there's a meaningful difference here.
That said, neither one is doing you any privacy favors...
Has everyone forgotten about the NSA and their absurdly massive data centers? At least a portion of the US population likely has substantial data from their tech in a database we can't access.
Sure, but at least from a technical POV those screenshots are accessible to the users, can be deleted/manipulated and the user is not forced to have the feature enabled
Sure, but at least from a technical POV those screenshots are accessible to the users, can be deleted/manipulated and the user is not forced to have the feature enabled
I didn't say both sides are the same. I made a stupid joke about a garbage operating system and the garbage company that runs it.
And your example of stopping people on the streets to inspect their phones doesn't really do a great job at making the argument you're trying to make. We have ICE running around and throwing people into contracted prisons even when they have proof of citizenship. We are trafficking people to foreign concentration camps. We are rocketing at light speed to a techno fascist authoritarian state and the level of surveillance we are under is increasing at a mind boggling pace.
So we aren't the same, and the people currently in charge are striving to make the differences smaller every day.
In addition to your point, literally just two days ago I saw an article about a Texas sheriff running a search through a nation-wide network of license plate readers to track down a woman suspected of having an abortion.
Oh OK they didn't stop her on the street, they just queried the panopticon system that tracked her movement as much as possible. Want to protest a genocide your state and university are sponsoring? Sorry, MIT will muzzle you and now you are now forbidden from giving the commencement address. Wouldn't want to offend the dear leader in the white house.
I totally agree. Stuff like Microsoft recall is not great and America under Trump neither, but it is nothing compared to North Korea. That is a hellhole nobody who grew up in a free western society really can even imagine.
Frequently the point of comparing the two is to caution before they actually become comparable, though. I think it's intentional hyperbole to make a stark point, not an insensitive reduction.
I'd rather live in NK then in Gaza: the West loves to create hellholes, and the US has the most prisoners of any country on earth so calling it a 'free society' is pretty rich.
More to the point, if any Western country had done to it what NK had done to it by the West during the Korean war, it would turn into a brutal basket case far worse then anything NK could imagine. Things like 9/11 and October 7 turn Westerners into frothing omnicidal maniacs, and those are completely negligible in scope compared to what the west has done to other countries, including Korea.
I agree, western capitalist exploitation is far worse, but privileged liberals in the imperial core aren't the main victim, and they only care if their billionaire owned media tells them to.
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The book does predate the North Korean utter totalitarianism. Nineteen Eighty-Four was published in 1949, the year after the Democratic People’s Republic was founded. It was based on the Stalinist Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
.ml admins and Tankies: "something something THATS JUST WESTERN LIES something NK is actually THE GOOD GUYS something something ITS JUST TO KEEP OUT WESTERN PROPAGANDAAAAA"
Didn't/doesn't USA monitor webcams since 9/11? Iirc they took screenshots of webcams every 5 seconds. I assume everyone is monitored in terms of all digital communication.
I have seen a video where they show the phone and the text censoring and screenshots being taken. I can't remember where but might have been BBC's YouTube channel or something like that.
It appears so. The commenter said they saw a video, I said it was the first link in the article. I didn’t post a video nor make claims to its validity.
It’s literally propaganda. For some reason I subjected myself to watching the BBC video that the article referenced and screenshotting the Korean text that the BBC video purports is autocorrecting terms in real time. Below are the findings
The only (half) correct claims they make are the “South Korea” and “comrade” translations, but they could just have set the autocorrect in the phone’s settings for each and every word in this video, before making it lmfao
Completely baseless claims and frankly pathetic attempt. Crazy how this shit spreads like wildfire
<br />Based on the provided files, here's the translation analysis:
1. **IMG_0283.png:**
South Korea
남한 | 1
### Translation Analysis:
1. **Korean Text**: `남한` (pronounced "Nam-han")
- **Literal Translation**:
- `남` = "South"
- `한` = Short for "한국" (Hanguk), meaning "Korea"
- **Correct Translation**: **"South Korea"**
2. **English Caption**:
The English text `South Korea` **perfectly matches** the Korean term `남한`.
3. **Additional Note**:
The `| 1` appears to be a separator and numerical indicator (e.g., a menu/item number), **not part of the translation**.
### Conclusion:
✅ **Yes, the English translation is 100% correct.**
- `남한` is the standard Korean term for "South Korea" (contrasted with `북한` for "North Korea").
### Extra Context:
- While `대한민국` (Daehan Minguk) is the formal/official name ("Republic of Korea"), `남한` is the universally used shorthand in daily language and media.
2. **IMG_0282.png:**
* Korean Word: **동지** (dong-ji) - Found in the `[file content begin]` section near the bottom ("Comrade / 동지").
* English Caption: **Comrade**
* Caption Correct? **Yes**. "동지" (dong-ji) directly translates to "Comrade". It's a term often used in socialist/communist contexts or historically in leftist movements in Korea.
3. **IMG_0281.png:**
* Korean Word: **동지** (dong-ji) - Found under "Comrade".
* English Caption: **Comrade**
* Caption Correct? **Yes**. (Same translation as above).
4. ** Based on the content in **IMG_0284.jpeg**:
Puppet state
+
과뢰지역
### Translation Analysis:
1. **Korean Text**: `과뢰지역`
- This appears to be a **misspelling** of the correct term `괴뢰 지역` (goe-roe ji-yeok).
- `괴뢰` = "puppet" (referring to a politically controlled entity)
- `지역` = "region" or "area"
- **Correct Translation**: **"Puppet region"** or **"Puppet state"** (contextually equivalent).
2. **English Caption**:
`Puppet state` is **semantically correct** but not a literal translation.
- The Korean term specifies "region" (`지역`), not "state" (`국가`).
3. **Accuracy Assessment**:
- ⚠️ **Conceptually Similar**: The core meaning ("puppet regime/entity") is somewhat conveyed.
- ⚠️ **Terminology Nuance**:
- A stricter translation would be "puppet region" (less common in English).
### Conclusion:
**The English caption is functionally correct** for real-world usage, though it slightly generalizes the Korean term. The minor spelling error (`과뢰` → `괴뢰`) doesn’t affect the meaning.
### Additional Notes:
- The correct Korean spelling is **`괴뢰`**, not `과뢰` (likely a typo).
- In historical/political contexts (e.g., Korean War), "괴뢰 정권" (puppet regime) or "괴뢰 국가" (puppet state) are commonly used.
**Summary of Korean Words & Translations:**
* The *only* Korean word appearing in the provided files is **동지** (dong-ji).
* Its English caption, **Comrade**, is **correct**.
Not the best sources, a phone smuggled by a South Korean-based organization that is funded by the US National Endowment for Democracy and reported by state owned BBC, both of which are enemies of NK, and nothing in this article is verifiable. I'm not saying this to promote anything about NK but just from a journalistic perspective this article doesn't prove much.
Anyone who still thinks that after the last year and a half of it operating as a pro-genocide propaganda outlet for Israel either hasn't been paying attention, or are themselves pro-genocide.
At least you can choose not to use their services.
I guess a smart phone would be a luxury item in NK. So one could chose not to use one instead of being tracked?
In Germany the government and police use the word Quellentelekommunikationsüberwachung (telecommunication source surveillance) when they express their desire to have a Trojan on someone's phone - to protect the children of course.
That secret screenshot folder would eat up your storage quite fast, and it would be known, from whistleblowers, workers having to check the screenshots, "proof coming out from it" etc etc etc
There is certainly validity in the concept that no known instance of exploitation exists. However that is only anecdotal. The potential exists. Naïve trust in others has a terrible track record on these scales of ethics. Every instruction and register should be fully documented for every product sold.
An adequate webp image is only a few tens of kilobytes. Most people now have a bridged connection between their home network and cellular, unless they go out of their way to block it. Periodic screenshots are rather crazy. It would be much easier to target specific keywords and patterns.
I'd be interested in how this documenting could be done. If you're a manufacturer, you'd probably want to keep everything secret - except what's needed for a patent for example - otherwise the competition might get an idea of the proprietary things you make in house.
I mean I'm all for it, I just don't see it happening unless under very strict regulations.
You dont have to bring them to court with it for it to be useful. It could be used to target individuals then they use more conventional methods of evidence gathering to arrest.
I would guess they arent currently doing it enmasse because that doesnt sound useful either. I would say, solely on a vibes based level its been done by US intelligence. Its really not so different than a wiretap.
This isn't really up to China, NK won't listen because it's not really up to them either. Most authoritarians would love to scale the repression down, but you can only do it while political and economic climate is right (without losing your power and your head)
If you signal to your citizens that they can speak more freely, the first thing out of their mouths will be Hey why did you do that fucked up thing?
Thus, you can "loosen the bolts" only when you are safe in your position of power and don't mind a few concessions to the masses. "Yes we overstepped a few lines, but it was all the fault of this one bad man and also look at all this bread we have now!"
This is why authoritarian countries usually have "seasons".
Yes, it's also that authoritarian leaders grow plenty of friends and relatives who'd done really fucked up things. It's not in their control to just do the oppression legally and possibly to explain (as in "it was such a time", "those were imperfect measures and we've found a better way"), if they don't do serial murder\rape and drugs trade and racket and theft, someone of their surroundings will.
That's probably also why western political climates are slowly becoming more authoritarian - it's the same mechanism, just much smaller and slower. Maybe it's not drugs\murders\theft, but it's gray legal area tax evasion, suppose. Then after a few years it's something a bit worse, and so on, gradually.
Like it's impossible to make an eternal engine, it's impossible to make a political system without this.
Yep, confunding dictatorships with google, sweeping Kim's regimes horrors under the mat.
It's almost like yes we have problems in our democracies but being put in prison because you don't want to starve to death isn't really on the list for us.
Most crime in the West is driven by poverty, yes. So unless you're saying that NK literally convicts people for the formal, on the books crime of "not wanting to starve", then it's the same principle.
But I assume you already know you're wrong, based on the fact you're bringing out the personal attacks
While the report did not specify the brand, the design and user interface closely resembled those of a Huawei or Honor device.
It’s unclear whether these companies officially sell phones in North Korea, but if they do, the devices are likely customized with state-approved software designed to restrict functionality and facilitate government surveillance.
I remember watching a series of Youtube videos by a guy working in the diplomatic department of a Southeast Asian country who I can't name, and he took videos while on the sly, his camera (or phone) hidden carefully, showing some glimpses of life in Pyongyang. At one point he and his wife visited the government-run department store and, yeah, it's pretty much a drab place to be there, you'll be only buying necessities. However, there's the special section where certain types of people such as high officials and foreigners are allowed to buy electronics, mostly with hard currency, and the merchandise included smartphones, all of them looked to be Chinese brands.
Sounds like Jaka Parker. Him and his wife are Indonesian diplomats. His videos weren't really covert. He wore a very obvious bodycam most of the time. His videos are a bit dated now, but they're still a fascinating glimpse into North Korea. Him and his family were often the only customers in a lot of the shops and restaurants he showed. Presumably they were meant for foreigners and/or elite North Koreans. He even has video of his wife giving birth at a maternity hospital.
Hm, only screenshots? By the way, this pales in comparison to what Google collects by default on every Android device. It's really crazy. Have you seen the details of what they collect? Google literally logs every touch, along with the names of buttons and apps. You can turn this off in your Google account settings on Android, but most people don't realize what's being collected or how to turn it off.
Yes, Google's code processes every touch, they wrote Android after all, so you are technically correct.
Is it all being sent somewhere from every Android device? Of course not, that's ridiculous. Individual apps might have various levels of usage analytics though.
Yes, I'm sure he's angry people are diluting the invigilation he exposed by coming up with fake ones all the time, and making people think it's not worth fighting it anymore.
Do you have something constructive to say? Did you read an interesting article about a new type of tracking by a security researcher? Maybe you ran your own network capture and found something previously unknown? Great, let's share that and learn how to block it.
Do you just wave your hands around and say that Google knows everything about you at all times using all Android devices, through unspecified means based on your gut feeling? Then that's not constructive and is just spreading helplessness.
Oh Google logs and collect all taps on the screen? I'd love to know through which system service that happens, how the data leaves the device, to which servers is it going, which devices are affected by this, and how we can disable it. Oh you made it up and actually there are no details? Right.
I don't have the time right now to addeess all of this, but: Device interactions can be used to identify users, predict and manipulate their behaviour, contribute to further identification measures etc..
Furthermore my point was that there are many reasons to be cautious about any type of data collection and processing. Saying a specific type would be ridiculous undermines the possible dangers stemming from this. Therefore I wouldn't plainly discard these concerns.
Even if, in this context, the transmission is not widely noticed, this doesn't pose a universal guarantee, especially if this can be turned on on demand via backdoors, trojans or whatever. Even worse if the transmission can be hidden. (Less likely for very proficient users with extremely tight network monitoring & control, but that's rarely the case.)
I absolutely agree with you. What I'm arguing against is baseless FUD without any specifics, any sources, any details, and making extraodinary claims without extraordinary evidence. I didn't mean that the type of tracking is ridiculous, what I'm saying is ridiculous is the claim that Google is collecting the logs of EVERY touch on EVERY Android device. Does that claim even needs to be disproven?
Is that happening on Chinese Android phones without any Google services?
Is that happening on AOSP phones without Google services?
Is that happening on GrapheneOS, on other custom ROMs?
Is that happening on my washing machine that for some reason runs Android?
Is that baked into the system? From which Android version? In a particular system app? Where can I see these logs of all touches for myself?
It is patently obvious it cannot be happening on EVERY Android device. And I'd welcome evidence that it's happening on even a SINGLE one. But I don't see it. Because it's made up hyperbole that's poisoning the discussion of real tracking.
Because your touches are tracked. But not system-wide, but in individual apps, by the individual developers, most of whom don't share the data with Google, only if you use these apps, and each developer can only track what's happening in their own app. Which is worth talking about, but it's hard when people are just making stuff up.
I mentioned "Google Account Settings." It is buried deep within submenus, so it is harder for regular users to find. However, you can find it by navigating through your Google account settings. Look for "Manage your data & privacy" > "History settings" > "Web & App Activity."
But "Google is tracking your every touch on any Android device" is very different from "Google saves a history of your Google searches, and some major actions in some Google apps".
Have you checked what's in it? Every action and touch is logged with all the details. Many people didn't even guess that such actions could be logged. It's like super spyware activity; it's very creepy. "Google is tracking your every touch on any Android device" - is exactly what it does.
I first noticed this issue around 2015, and I have been trying to disable it on every Android device since then. However, it re-enables itself from time to time. I have a few Google accounts, and it must be disabled on each one.
not on any Android device, but some device categories like smartphones
Hm, are there any categories? I didn't see any, but maybe they've added them already. They log whatever they can. Today it's smartphones and tablets, but tomorrow it could be other devices and other things to be logged and uploaded to Google, like screenshots. The problem is that it's done behind your back, and many people are unaware of this creepy activity.
By the way, if you did not disable the option to automatically upload all photos to the cloud, then manually taken screenshots are already uploaded. Many people are too busy to find and disable this option. And we're discussing North Korea here, LOL.
Storing individual button presses is ridiculous because that is much too low level when the apps also have much more high level information about your activities available. It is literally more useless than data you can acquire just as easily.
There is no better regime than the West in this regard. Force things on people? You're gonna risk a revolt or dissent. 'Subtly' make people dependent on your product so they'll voluntarily use it and share everything with you while you 'subtly' control the algorithm in your favour? Now that's perfect. Social media is the ultimate tool of power and governance.
Although North Korea is a very "successful" oppressive regime, largely able to have full control over information both in and out of the country and to greatly limit desertion. I can't think of a "better" regime in this regard.
How is that a "crazy theory"? Information control is not directly tied to capitalism but to any form of regime. The Western model and social media is, of course, strongly tied to capitalism and the desire for economic growth. How does that add to it?
It's a matter of rhetoric a lot of the times with the states. We don't invade countries, we defend democracy. Our government doesn't spy on us, they protect homeland security. Etc etc
::: spoiler A KGB agent and CIA agent meet up in a bar. "I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.
"Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America." :::
::: spoiler Over analysis caveat of the joke Of course it's not state media directly in the states, but the same billionaires who own the state own the media, so it turns out all to be the same thing in the end. :::
I love how, for everyone, media literacy seemingly goes straight out the window the moment North Korea is mentioned. I remember a few years back every mainstream media outlet reporting that sarcasm was banned in NK, and that everyone had to get the same haircut as Kim Jong Un. Journalism at its finest.
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Holy shit actual media criticism and analysis on North Korea. Never thought I'd see this day.
The little clip with the meta-commentary on news stories commenting about them was hilarious yet insightful, so I definitely have to watch the full documentary they're referencing (EDIT: especially if it's just the 20 minute video you linked. That's the full video? I thought I heard the word documentary so thought it would be longer).
It really is a shame, as accurate reporting enables their crimes to be documented better, and gives them less ammo on the world stage.
"How can we be mistreating our citizens? Remember when people said sarcasm was banned? Haircuts had to be approved and the same? How can you believe anything."
Documenting people/governments/coprorations for the things they've actually done is the most we can ask for. Making shit up on the fly for a quick buck is the death of truth. It just enables them to deflect everything and anything.
There's dozens of reasons to dislike/distrust North Korea. We don't need to make ones up.
It's a secret smart phone that was smuggled out of the country by the Top Spies in the "Going to N. Korea to ride the subway" YouTube gang. We sent in some of our stealthiest and most clandestined professional infiltrators. Real Navy Seals meets Mission Impossible type guys. And they came out of N. Korea with this cutting edge "phone that randomly takes pictures while its in your pocket" technology.
Using the country's state of the art telecommunications system and their cutting edge image processing technology, the Glorious Leader analyzes over 40 Zetabytes of information daily. This dragnet of highly accurate, insanely rigorous, and insidiously nefarious ultra-spyware is then handed over to a crack team of North Korean special agents who utilize their pre-crime tracing technology to break up hundreds of resistance cells every year, long before they can become a threat to the iron fisted communist regime.
It's the only explanation for why North Koreans haven't fully revolted and overthrown their despotic leadership. Juche Super-science keeps the rabble in line.
A secret no one kept is still technically a secret, an open secret maybe but a secret. I want to know if the people using these phones know about this software
wait, so in NK they don't say 오빠 at all? or they only use it in the proper context, a girl's older brother? if they dont use 오빠 at all... what do girls call their older brothers? lol i dont think there's a more native korean word than 오빠
Shhh youre not supposed to think critically, just nod along, be thankful for your freedom , and remain prepared to liberate those poor brainwashed souls.
I'm glad I don't live in North Korea because I wouldn't want to traumatize their poor government with pics of my face and body in the morning. There are limits to cruelty.
It’s funny, because it’s their government’s version of knockoff spyware, and decades out of date. Western governments get a live feed out of their backdoors.
Yeah, there have been various leaks over the years that trickle out. Supposedly they’ve banned companies from operating in the US for refusal to comply with backdoor demands (Hawei, Kaspersky), some reports of backdoors built right into both Intel & AMD processors, some vague stuff that’s come out about backdoors in Windows, etc. Even when the companies refuse to comply, there’s been reports of US intelligence going into factories or intercepting deliveries to install spy chips into hardware. I recall there was a local ISP provider somewhere in the mid-west that got shut down for refusing to install spy devices in their facilities.
Really a lot of this was confirmed as far back as Snowden. And plenty of whistleblowers and leaks since.
There's an extremely powerful backdoor in every processor/chipset. Intel named it "Management Engine" and AMD "Secure Technology".
From the Wikipedia page on Management Engine:
The ME has its own MAC and IP address for the out-of-band management interface, with direct access to the Ethernet controller; one portion of the Ethernet traffic is diverted to the ME even before reaching the host's operating system.
ME has Serial over LAN, so it's possible that attackers can have a more intimate access to your hardware than your Operating System.
I imagine other manufacturers have similar frameworks.
Sure, those could theoretically be used for backdoor access to your computer.
However, they are trivial to spot on most routers. If you see another device on the ethernet port that your computer connects to, then something weird is going on.
Another important consideration is the fact that those technologies are meant for ethernet, while most people use laptops with wifi.
They're likely repurposing existing mechanisms western companies already have built and use. IIRC Apple or Amazon admitted this when they clarified they weren't 'listening' per se.
Yep. Just like with reverse-engineering software and making unintented use of proprietary services, whistleblowing depends at nobody being able to threaten you with jail or worse.
Your country should have made it law when Watergate and such were still fresh in memory. To make such mechanisms not just "de facto", but "de jure" reality. Because any "de facto" either becomes "de jure" or vanishes without a trace.
EDIT: similar with "adversarial interop" CD was talking about
EDIT2: or Gutenberg and the printing press and the conflicts to ensue...
Seriously. This is exactly what people object to about Windows Recall. In its re-released version at least it's opt-in for now, but it's still eerily close to this.
Eh, they didn’t exactly paint it in a good light. It’s more like not laughing too much at the ordinary NK citizen’s big brother plight while the rest of us are being monitored constantly and much more real time.
The two situations are not the same, but the parallels show his we all deal with this crap in our own ways.
Yes, because here in the capitalist USA I am free to choose what phone and carrier I use, and what OS and software my phone have on them. The free market decided that I should have access to bootloader unlockable phones with open source OS and zero shitty Facebook apps spying on me.
Tell me you are blind to privilege without telling me you are blind to privilege...
I get what you are saying but claiming that Capitalism and the Free Market got you there is laughable.
A shit ton of people in the USA do not actually have a choice in carrier and choice of phone seriously depends on how rich you are, the spread is wide!
More importantly, how many people do you think have the tech knowledge (or access to pay) to get an open source OS in their phones?
I’m sure it’s not to the same extent, but I feel like US does the same thing just not as directly. Like the fact that they can triangulate my position at any moment in time with cell tower data.
Unironically a good book about fascism happening in the US, and was written before 1984 and other dystopian novels that were largely reactionary to the USSR.
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In August 2024, security experts revealed code similar to NSO Pegasus were reused by Russia-linked agencies. They pointed out the uncontrolled proliferation of surveillance tools to authoritarian actors
Could the north Koreans have a copy of Pegasus (like) software/spyware through russia? Pegasus is a proven solution to spy on Saudi Arabia (and others) on ios™️ and android™️ devices.
Thats so dystopian, that it can only screenshot every five minutes. Thank god i use windows, and get over 60x the frames-on my double 4k monitor setup. So much better than those filthy north korean peasants. I hope someday they have this freedom.
what’s the point of this article? why should i read it when we’ve all known Trump lied about Project 2025 and who was behind it? and that he was loading his staff with the authors and true believers?
I think part of the point is demonstrating that it's proven at this point in time. In future historical context, it may be helpful to show what people knew or could have known, depending on their news sources.
When I was canvassing during the election, people would tell me that Project 2025 didn't matter because Trump disavowed it. This is for people like you to show people who believed that.
It's Christofascism. They published it way before the election, it was available as a free PDF for anyone to download and read, but where they really tricked us is they made it nearly 900 pages. The volume of it, coupled with the long-term assault on our education system which has produced a USA that reads at something like a 6th grade reading level as far as average adults go, and further enfuckened by our insanely short attention spans, means most of the people that voted in the Project 2025 administration had no idea what it contained.
Someone else already linked it, so I wont duplicate that, i just wanted to add some extra context around how we US Americans had literally every chance to learn what these fuckheads intended to do. But our collective ability to make informed decisions has been undermined by a concerted effort from the right to make us dumb as rocks.
That's actually a fuck ton. You don't have to be part of that group to believe in them or do what they say ("interests align teehee" stuff) so that high of a percentage is really fucking high.
They're not, they're lawful evil. Everything they do, everything they support, every last word that comes out of that place is carefully sculpted to cause suffering. If it seems like it might be ok, or even good, dig deeper - it's always horrible
But they're the opposite of terrorists - they don't disrupt order to meet political goals, they corrupt the law to bury the mass murder under layers of buracracy
Three different advocacy organisations representing military families said they had heard from dozens of affected service members who expressed discomfort about being drawn into a domestic policing operation outside their normal field of operations. The groups said they have heard no countervailing opinions.
“The sentiment across the board right now is that deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for,” said Sarah Streyder of the Secure Families Initiative, which represents the interests of military spouses, children and veterans. people hold signs that read 'ice out of LA' Families arrested in LA Ice raids held in basements with little food or water, lawyers say Read more
“Families are scared not just for their loved ones’ safety, although that’s a big concern, but also for what their service is being used to justify.”
A passenger smuggling dozens of venomous vipers was stopped after flying into the financial capital Mumbai, India, from Thailand, Indian customs officials said.
The snakes, which included 44 Indonesian pit vipers, were "concealed in checked-in baggage," Mumbai Customs said in a statement late Sunday.
"An Indian national arriving from Thailand was arrested," it added.
The passenger also had three Spider-tailed horned vipers — which are venomous, but usually only target small prey such as birds — as well as five Asian leaf turtles.
A passenger smuggling dozens of venomous vipers in checked-in baggage was stopped after flying into Mumbai, India, from Thailand, Indian customs officials said.
Just showed up when I was posting from this client (Eternity). I saw it for like half a second before the picture appeared and didn't bother digging to figure it a purpose
Do flights from Thailand to Mumbai not have x-ray screenings for baggage, or is this a very weird bribery situation? I know some places only have metal detectors for people, but I have not seen any airport which doesn't scan baggage.
The law firms that caved to President Donald Trump's demands are losing major clients as a direct result of their appeasement, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal.
And Trump seems fully happy to bleed millions in taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuits to blackmail people into getting his way, so it's not a great situation if your legal team is a bunch of simps for Trump
My thoughts exactly... isn't he the one supposed to make big bank from trumps AI project? Unless maybe he figured out that like most AI projects, it's all hot air and scams, and he discovered it would be set up in a way he'd be holding the bag and getting the blame.
Not that surprising, these sleazy characters don't trust each other as they're always looking for a way to betray each other for personal gain, so they assume others are too.
Also not a great idea to trust your legal stuff to companies that might just have it over to those other already characters, especially when you're likely doing illegal shit
Exactly, if I bring bullshit to a party, and the host tells everyone to eat it, I'm not going to associate with anyone who doesn't tell them to fuck off, even though I brought it to the table.
Just because they are currently liege of King Trump, doesn't mean that they don't want to have power themselves. If given a plain opening, they would become king themselves. They don't have loyalties, only compromise. Hence, they make sure to keep their own share of power close to have some form of resistance against the king.
All part of their "game". In order to maintain/grow power they need to put up token resistance.
If they fall into complete lock-step with trump/project 2025 their potential power in the future is limited more than risking "standing up" for themselves over relatively minor things.
I know it's hard to believe, but real people work at corporations, and some are even in positions of authority. Some of those people even have actual values and aren't just playing an elaborate charade as part of some conspiratorial master plan.
But these are corporate actions meant to preserve the company and it's legal defenses, they're not doing it to preserve some individual suit's moral principles or their love of democracy. Even if the companies themselves are Trump simps, they obviously don't want their law firms to be as well.
If its is a publicly trading corporation then it doesn't matter how principled the or nice the people who work in it are. Share price is the only thing that matters. That's by design. Even someone as powerful as the CEO can't challenge that. Any CEO who says "it will cost us money but we should this because it's the right thing to do" is going to be kicked to the curb faster than a union organizer. Private companies can still have a conscious to some degree as long as it's the owner's conscious.
Companies pay money to law firms to fight for them. If their law firm rolls over and just accepts something blatantly illegal without putting up a fight, why on earth would any company continue to retain them? If the law firm won't fight for itself, why would it fight for someone else?
It's not a conspiracy, it's a sensible business decision.
Makes perfect business sense. I wouldn't want a compromised law firm to be responsible for protecting my company. I'd worry they'd narc on me for some real or imagined DEI initiative at the first opportunity.
No it isn't. Graduating law students literally have a shared spreadsheet that list out the companies who caved, and they're being blacklisted.
That's another big reason those companies are being dumped by corporations. They're literally struggling to hire people and wont stay afloat unless things change.
The ebb lasted a lot longer than I was rooting for. But now it seems to have caught a recent uptick. Still slight in terms of its maximum peak, but respectable: 47K Monthly Active Users. (about the same as the total number of MAUs on Lemmy!)
Furthermore, it's also reflected in the half-year Active Users, meaning it's not just people who signed in a couple months ago who are now checking back in -- looks like brand-new active participants.
Any idea what caused this? Another "migrate" campaign? Did Instagram do something stupid again? Or is it just a data glitch?
I just tried and PieFed cannot access PixelFed posts. Mbin can do it.
Personally I don't mind the separation between some platforms, I'm fine with having 2 accounts. The UX is designed to work with the style of content anyways. But I know a lot of people want everything to work with everything.
I would say that Pixelfed is closer to the microblog space than it is the threaded discussion space.
It's essentially microblogging except with an image media focus (or video, in the case of Loops.)
To each their own, some people communicate better using pictures, some better over short text, some better over long-form text. There's a space for them all :smile:
Nah, fuck Lemmy and their shitty devs. I don't give a shit about their politics, but I do care that they are fragile fucking children on a power trip, who have the audacity to beg for donations and lie about where they go when criticized about the way they run their instance. Let them lie in the shitty bed they made. Piefed is the way forward.
I joined PixelFed after the initial hype, but the app wasn’t full featured enough nor did a lot of accounts move over from Instagram like they did from Twitter to Blue Sky so I fell off pretty fast.
I understood nothing you just said. Are you an alien from mars, who's almost learned english, but not quite?
Because if so......that's pretty impressive. But also, you should leave earth. Humans have been known to kill other humans for having a different skin color, or for believing in a different magical man in the sky. I can't imagine what they'd do to someone from another planet!
I hosted social.photo, which was a Pixelfed instance.
I had an uptick in users when I started to consider shutting down the site. It was the reason, ultimately, I decided to shut down as soon as possible. The software is awful, and I don’t want to deal with the issues multiplied by growth.
I decided to announce a shutdown by posting and hoping people see it because you can’t make an announcement to users on Pixelfed out of the box. I know there is an admin interface for it, but it doesn’t work.
Afterward, many of my new users told me they came from other instances that shut down.
This trend could be a blip as users create new accounts to migrate as they did before from their previous accounts. I know there is a user interface for this, but it doesn’t work.
Or it could be the terrible spam filter that blocks real users and allows bots. So, real users aren’t there to report bots. This is compounded by an uptick in new hype instances. These are sometimes poorly moderated instances full of bots awaiting returning interest from their owners to get cleaned up or closed.
Yeah, it's not been easy to moderate, update, & use. If enough people are interested, I'm open to keeping it running as a closed instance. The biggest issue is that there isn't an out-of-the-box way for me to message all the local accounts to discuss this.
Hey, sorry. I've been dealing with some ongoing personal stuff.
There are no clear release versions in the repository; all work is done in the mainline branch, called "dev". Therefore, you are not guaranteed to always use the same code as someone else on the same "version," which makes debugging issues difficult. I had to build my own Docker containers when I first started hosting it because the ones provided didn't work as expected. I've not tried them since. So, depending on your deployment process, this may not be an issue.
New releases are often buggy and break existing functionality. Feature releases are slow and seem unnecessary when core features are incomplete or not working. The developer is distracted by other projects.
There aren't any ways to communicate and create a community unless you force everyone to follow a specific account from the start of your instance. Funding is challenging and becomes expensive due to image storage and bandwidth usage.
I have other projects I contribute to; otherwise, I'd contribute to improve or fork Pixelfed. I want to reimplement many of the existing features.
China has lashed out at Donald Trump’s suggestion that Beijing violated an agreement between the two economic powerhouses that largely rolled back the U.S. president’s damaging tariff plans.
China’s Commerce Ministry said in a statement that it firmly rejects these “unjustified accusations” and vowed to take “forceful measures” to protect its interests, according to Chinese state media.
“The United States has unilaterally and repeatedly provoked new economic and trade frictions, exacerbating uncertainty and instability in bilateral economic and trade relations,” the statement said. “Instead of reflecting on its own actions, the United States has groundlessly accused China of violating the consensus, a claim that grossly distorts the facts.”
“The United States has unilaterally and repeatedly provoked new economic and trade frictions, exacerbating uncertainty and instability in bilateral economic and trade relations,” the statement said. “Instead of reflecting on its own actions, the United States has groundlessly accused China of violating the consensus, a claim that grossly distorts the facts.”
That is such a wonderfully diplomatic way of saying "stop being a fucking idiot, your words have meaning and these are the consequences. Grow up". Even just "grow up", tbh.
As much as I dislike the amount of reliance the world has on China (for the labour conditions there, the nature of their government to impose dodgy practices, generally speaking not being a "good egg"), China seems like the only trading bloc (although not a bloc, I guess... Maybe "trading entity") that can unilaterally stand toe-to-toe with TACO and win. So, good on china.
From what I understand tariffs were blocked by a lower court and the appeals court immediately reinstated them. I also keep seeing buried in the copy that they were technically only blocked from being collected from two companies that brought the suit and not actually blanket ruled illegal.
There's a lot of Americans that need to take note of the language. They're saying "united states" not trump. I see so many Americans sitting there thinking trumps actions only affect trump and once someone new comes in things will go back to normal. This will be held against America for a long time.
The rest of the world is making deals with China and they are moving on.
There's a small chance this actually forces Americans to kick the consumerist lifestyles and back to a needs based buy it for life mentality. It'll be a rough and long path to get there, and it's gonna suck in the short-medium turn, but think of the environmental advantages!
Trump collapsing the US is the best thing for global interests.
Donald Trump was deliberately left in the dark about Ukraine’s unprecedented drone strike in Russia on Sunday, which destroyed nearly a third of the Kremlin’s strategic bomber fleet in a surprise attack.
The large-scale drone attack saw a fleet of drones scattered all across Russia carry out simultaneous attacks on five airbases, wiping out 40 irreplaceable military bombers worth an estimated $7 billion, which have been used to reign terror upon Ukrainian civilians.
“Operation Spider-Web” took over 18 months to plan and was personally overseen by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a source told CBS News.
Why would anyone even consider telling any politicians of foreign nations about a top secret project like that, much less blabbermouths like Donald Trump?
Between nations that share trust and respect, theoretically, it would give them time to reposition themselves to the coming reality, and perhaps more importantly, give any assets they have in the area a warning to keep their heads down/not step on any toes.
There's going to be a bit of contextual nuance when deciding whether to share intelligence and when. I'd bet if we had a respectable statesperson friendly to Ukraine's plight leading this country we would have gotten a few days notice at least.
This isn’t exactly true. The British were well aware of the Manhattan Project- indeed, the whole thing began as the British Tube Alloys project before they ran out of money and convinced the Americans to take it on, with the British delegation taking prominent roles.
Britain also knew that the bomb was ready for use as the US didn’t have any bomb bay mounts strong enough to hold the weight, and they had to ask the RAF to supply a small number of mounts that had been designed for Barnes-Wallace’s 10,000kg earthquake bombs.
You are confusing nations with people. You can't trust a nation (or any other organization), you can only trust individuals because an organization can always contain individuals of diametrically opposed behaviors.
Yeah, frankly I think it wouldn't even be good to tell Biden about it, he would likely discourage from that move. At best he would pretend he did not know about it.
"Deliberately blindsided" is a little strong. We're not even officially an ally of Ukraine. They don't owe us, or anyone else jack shit as far as their war plans for defending their country. Add to that the fact that Trump is credibly accused of being a Russian asset and defers to their interests 99% of the time... Why the fuck would you trust us right now!?
And it's never been truer. Doesn't even matter who sits in White House, strictly Ukrainian business that had to pass through as little ears as possible.
Biden and Sullivan would have been talking about how this is too much escalating and fucking threw a fit. Those dudes sucked and with a less afraid President of the US, Ukraine could have repulsed Russia in the first year with top of the line American arms but Biden was a fucking asshole who sacrificed Ukrainian lives for nothing
The plan was never for Ukraine to win and Biden's actions make that very clear. The plan was to get Russia stuck in a quagmire and drain them of blood and treasure fighting an unwinnable war.
I already said? It's clear that Biden never gave Ukraine enough military assistance to win, we all seem to agree on that, and there's only a couple explanations for that.
Either I'm supposed to believe the US was too afraid to go all-in for Ukraine... or the US never cared if Ukraine won.
There's things people have said. Lloyd Austin said; “we want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine.” The Security Council said they wanted, “to make this invasion a strategic failure for Russia.”
And then there's the arms trade. The US has used this war as an opportunity to pull countries away from Russian arms trade and into the US/NATO sphere instead, switching over supply lines to benefit Western arms manufacturers. This war has the arms trade booming. Why would they ever want the war to end?
And then they blew up the Nordstream pipeline to keep the war going and make Europe more dependent on US gas.
But I'm sure the US are the good guys and they're just trying their best! 😇
This is the sort of op they would typically notify an ally of when it is actually imminent or just got started. If Biden was still in the White House my guess is he would have been given roughy 72 hours notice or less.
The US election was 8 months ago. The operation was probably still in the planning stages. After that day, Ukraine would have known not to share any sensitive info with the US unless absolutely necessary, knowing that a Putin fanboy would soon have his hands on it. Had Biden still been in office today, he may have gotten a heads up before the actual execution, but then again, why would he need it. It is not like that information would have been actionable to anyone except the target.
or Biden went scorched Earth on Ukraine intelligence
Knowing what's at stake, what's being shared and who's taking over, I would hope Biden would have insisted on no mics, no papers, no record, no witnesses. Just a friendly hug between friends and a chat about upcoming vacations.
I wouldn’t even tell trump what time it was, let alone something this hugely important. Trump should feel snubbed, because he’s an untrustworthy piece of taco shit.
Good. The orange shitter has been pretty clear that he's no friend of Ukraine, there's absolutely no chance that he wouldn't have leaked that information to Russia just on the hope that daddy Putin would give him a pat on the head and pretend to be friends again.
I’m struggling to think of how that would work. Have a Ukrainian agent pretend to be his Russian handler?
In reality, Trump’s biggest use to Zelensky is for strategic disinformation. Occasionally “leak” info to Trump, knowing it will get passed directly to Russia.
LOOK AT THE FIREPLACE! No fake spray gold ornamentation! What the shit?!? Is the Oval Office a reality tv show set? Compare the fireplace from when Zelenskyy visited to Ramaphosa’s visit on May 25:
That’s some heinous Temu-quality decor! stay classy USA
I'll bet he picked out all that shiny crap all by himself. Probably had a blast looking through some tacky catalogue, picking out the most ostentatious tchotchkies, knowing that the government was picking up the tab. Only real gold for the president, none of that gold-plated garbage.
I'll bet he takes it all home with him as well. We can fix that by putting him in a jail cell for life, then auction off this gold crap to pay for his keep.
There's an article I read a few months ago when he finished the "redecorating" and somebody did some digging and was able to pretty convincingly match a lot of the gaudy pieces to cheap wood accent pieces that you buy from Home Depot, so somebody just bought the ugliest shit they could find and spray painted it... Or maybe got fancy and dipped it.
I would be more curious to know if there is anyone downstream of Trump working within the Pentagon/CIA that's still actively coordinating US intelligence with Ukranian forces.
Like, is the entire US military cut out of Ukrainian operations at the NATO level. Or is some faction within the Joint Chiefs pulling a SpaceX and giving Trump/Hegseth the Elon Musk busy-box while they run things outside his purview?
Exactly. As a courtesy they might give trusted allies a few hours notice, or at least inform them when the op has started. But unless they needed the assistance of an ally in planning and preparing such an attack then informing anybody well ahead of time serves no useful purpose at all.
Ukraine's a few steps shy of Kurdistan when it comes to sovereignty. They don't even bother with elections anymore, given how much of the country is contended or outright occupied. So much of the killing and the dying is about changing that.
If it's been said to a Russian troll once, it's been said a thousand times now. Ukraine's constitution doesn't allow for elections during a state of war.
So much of the killing and the dying is about changing that.
What the actual fuck are you saying? Are you implying that Russia is doing Ukraine a favor by initiating the killing so Ukraine can become part of Russia to avoid the killing that Russian could’ve simply not done?
There is nothing anyone should discuss with Cheeto, he is dumb and works for russians. There is absolutely no value in that person, he is a completely worthless useless being.
They should feed the taco some fake intel, e.g. some abandoned shed in the middle of nowhere being a secret drone factory and if it gets obliterated the next day...
Should have fed him a false location and then monitored Putin's move. Would have confidently proven that tRump is an asset if moves were made to the fake target. Trap this fucker and then public punishment!
I can just see Putin, Saudis, Netanyahu sitting around a table bickering about who gets the best bandwidth from listening equipment at the oval office, because little children just refuse to share...
Hopefully, we don't hear about some intelligence agent with a new book coming out in the future regarding how tRump was a known asset for the Kremlin and how he was caught red-handed giving info to Putin in some false-flag operation.
And the operation turned out to be a complete success! Looks like a good strategy going forward.
Not one person on this entire site can tell me anyone should trust tRump in ANY situation, let alone one where he has leverage over you and interest in... your stuff. Expect more of this by the way; turns out when you're a constant asshole to everyone, nobody wants to be around you or rely on you, let alone offer to extend help in your direction. I'm honestly baffled what people fucking expected, only brainrotted simps believe in the real adult world, on the global stage, you can twist everyone's arms to get your way without consequence forever. And only tRump can't see this cause that's been his ENTIRE life: No consequences ever for being the absolute worst person regarding character and conduct.
Why would a sovereign country, being attacked by a hostile neighbor, be required to inform ANYONE about their war plans? I wouldn't inform anyone, even my friends. They'll see it on the news, like everyone else.
Did a quick check I think it is equal performance to Snapdragon 7 Plus Gen 2. Which is great for every day use. Not the fastest stuff but midrange.
Huawei still appears to be very expensive in the West though. Not sure if their in-house production is really driving price down as much as simply being independent
A massive cloud of dust from the Sahara Desert blanketed most of the Caribbean on Monday in the biggest event of its kind this year as it heads toward the United States.
The cloud extended some 3,200 kilometres from Jamaica to well past Barbados in the eastern Caribbean, and some 1,200 kilometres from the Turks and Caicos Islands in the northern Caribbean down south to Trinidad and Tobago.
"It's very impressive," said Alex DaSilva, lead hurricane expert with AccuWeather.
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I’m sorry for not being around these past days, but Daddy was trying to bring food to other children as beautiful as you. Unfortunately, they are starving because some people don’t understand that every human being has the right to freedom.
Your father is one of the millions of people doing something to end the greatest violation of rights of our generation.
I truly hope to come home soon. I think of you and your mother every day. And that is why I cannot accept that the world we live in has so much exploitation, oppression, and destruction.
Do not be afraid for your father. I am okay and hopeful."
>> Two volunteers, Pascal Maurieras (France) and Yanis Mhamdi (France), remain in custody at Givon prison, ... awaiting their deportation tomorrow, 13 June, afternoon. They will be seen by their lawyers today.
>> The six volunteers expected to be deported today or early tomorrow morning are: Mark [Marco] Van Rennes (The Netherlands), Şuayb Ordu (Turkey), Yasemin Acar (Germany), Thiago Avila (Brazil), Reva Viard (France), and Rima Hassan (France). So far, #Adalah lawyers are facing difficulties visiting them at the airport. \====
In a world first, a team led by researchers at Penn State used two-dimensional materials, which are only an atom thick and retain their properties at that scale, unlike silicon, to develop a computer capable of simple operations.
A promising start, but a thousand transistors at 25 kilohertz puts it where silicon tech was 60 years ago, so they've a long, long way to go.
If it scales, they can use modern tech and know-how to accelerate their progress and they can get funding, maybe this will be viable in a decade or so.
French president delivers veiled warning to Beijing during speech in Singapore.
French President Emmanuel Macron warned China that NATO could become more deeply involved in Asia if Beijing does not do more to stop North Korea from taking part in Russia's war on Ukraine.
"North Korea in Ukraine is a big question for all of us. If China doesn’t want NATO to be involved in Southeast Asia, it should prevent [North Korea] from being engaged on European soil," Macron said Friday during an address at a major defense summit in Singapore.
Has Pakistan shot down the French jets? India hasn't confirmed those losses. If true then France doesn't have much power to project.
On 7 May, Indian and Pakistani fighter jets battled for over an hour. Pakistan claimed that three Dassault Rafales, one MiG-29, one Su-30MKI fighter jet, and one Israeli-manufactured IAI Heron UAV belonging to the Indian Air Force were shot down. If true, would first time that a French-origin Dassault Rafale has been lost in combat, reportedly having been shot down by the Chinese-origin Chengdu J-10. This, along with the performance of Chinese-origin PL-15E missiles in the combat, reportedly gained global attention.
Seems that I am out of my depth because I cannot imagine what France could do militarily. I would assume that any ship would be vulnerable if Chinese aircraft missiles have a longer range than the French ones so that France cannot defend their ships with their aircrafts.
Caravane #Soumoud : #israel a pressé mercredi l' #Egypte de bloquer les «provocations» pro-palestiniennes à proximité de la bande de #Gaza et obtenu de son voisin l'engagement de soumettre à des «autorisations préalables» toute action de militants étrangers sur son territoire. lorientlejour.com/article/1464…
Gaza (Quds News Network)- The Gaza Strip has plunged into a complete internet and communication blackout after Israeli attacks severed the last remaining fiber-optic line, the Palestinian Telecommunications Regulatory Authority announced on Thursday.
The authority confirmed that fixed-line internet and telecommunication services are now entirely cut off across Gaza, including the central and southern regions, which have now joined the digital silence already imposed on Gaza City and the north for the past two days.
“This is the result of systematic attacks on Gaza’s already fragile telecom infrastructure,” the authority said in a statement. Technicians have tried multiple times to repair and reroute damaged lines, but Israeli restrictions have blocked all efforts.
Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip opened fire as people headed towards a food distribution site a kilometre away at around sunrise on Monday, killing at least three people and injuring dozens, health officials and a witness said. The military said it fired warning shots at “suspects” who approached its forces.
The shooting occurred at the same location where witnesses say Israeli forces fired a day earlier on crowds of people heading towards the food distribution hub in southern Gaza run by the Israeli and US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
The Israeli military said it fired warning shots on Monday toward “several suspects who advanced toward the troops and posed a threat to them,” around a kilometre (1,000 yards) away from the food distribution site at a time when it was closed. The army denied it was preventing people from reaching the site.
Most obvious example of actual terrorism in the world, perpetrated by the Israelis of course. Disgusting colonizing genocidal bastards, hard at work to ensure evangelical christians get their wish.
Nah, see, this is the rhetoric that compounds the problem. The Israeli government is currently run by ultranationalists who are engaged in a genocide. They need to be stopped. That's an objective and reasonable statement, backed up by evidence and moral justification.
To say that the nation and its people are monsters who do not have a right to exist, that's anti-Semitism.
I'm an American. Donald Trump is a criminal, and belongs in prison. He should be stopped. If you have a plan to stop him, I'll probably support it (within reason). If you were to say, "America has no fucking right to exist. They are a colony of deprsved monsters," I could understand why you think that given the actions we have directed or supported internationally, but I would have to disagree.
Israel is a nation of many people. Those people have a right to exist, just as Palestinians have a right to exist. Existence doesn't have to be a zero sum game.
You said Israel is currently governed by ultranationalists engaged in genocide that need to be stopped.
Consider this question: What exactly needs to happen for Israel to "be stopped?" There's been recent polling showing that something like 80% of the population supports what's currently happening in Gaza and 2/3rds of the population oppose allowing ANY humanitarian aid in. Therefore removing Netanyahu and the current government is not sufficient - a new government would be voted in that will immediately continue where they left off.
Let's be honest with ourselves, the world is a mess right now. There are no "good guys" coming to the rescue. There's no political or military power that will fix the discord or stop the violence. In an ideal world, Netanyahu and his leadership would be tried and convicted of crimes against humanity. Given the current climate, I'd settle for an armistice to end the murdering of civilians and to allow for humanitarian aid to reach the people who need it. The threat of another elected despot is not an argument against deposing the current one.
You're citing those polling numbers as evidence that I'm wrong? That we don't have a problem with messaging? If your plan is to convince me that we need to stop a genocide with a genocide, then I have sorry news for you. Even if it was 100% of Israelis polled, I would still be opposed to genocide. Existence is never a crime. We are defined by our choices, not by the circumstances of our birth. When people communicate, there is always an opportunity for people to grow and learn. Communication is the only path to peace, and the people who need to hear you will not hear you while you're saying they are monsters who do not deserve to live.
Didn't say it was, and that's absolutely not where I'm going. There's a huge difference between dismantling the power of a geopolitical state in order to stop it from committing a genocide (which is what most people mean when they say "Israel doesn't have a right to exist") and the genocide of that state's people. Don't conflate the two
When the Nazi German state was dismantled following WWII, was that a genocide against the German people? Did the Third Reich have a right to exist?
Would trying Hitler and his leadership for crimes against humanity have been sufficient on its own? Of course not, the entire Nazi German state apparatus needed to be dismantled.
dismantling the power of a geopolitical state in order to stop it from committing a genocide (which is what most people mean when they say "Israel doesn't have a right to exist")
I don't believe that is what most people mean when they say that.
As for the Nazi comparison, there were a lot of people who would have preferred we kill all the Nazis, but only a relatively small percentage were tried and convicted. Germany did not forfeit their right to exist, and the German people (including most of the Nazis) were allowed to continue on with their lives.
As for Hitler, I do think a trial would have been better for the world and the development of humanity. But like most narcissists, he was a coward and chose to shoot himself rather than face consequences.
Germany is a real country though. Israel is a settler colony established through land theft.
Yes like America and australia.
For the record no country has a right to exist. They either do exist or they don't.
By saying Israel has no right to exist I mean the racist genocidal ethnostate called Israel needs to be dismantled and become a one state with equal rights for all. That is not a call for genocide. That is a call for humanity.
Germany is a real country though. Israel is a settler colony established through land theft.
Can you remind me why those Jewish immigrants had to move to Israel after WWII? Why they couldn't just go back to their homes in Europe?
By saying Israel has no right to exist I mean the racist genocidal ethnostate called Israel needs to be dismantled and become a one state with equal rights for all. That is not a call for genocide. That is a call for humanity.
I'll take you at your word that this is what you meant, but my point still stands because it does not come across that way at all. You may not be aware that there is an alarming resurgence of anti-Semitism globally (fueled in large part by the Israeli government engaging in the genocide of Palestinians). "Israel has no right to exist" is a common refrain among anti-Semites, and most of them do mean "Jewish people should not exist."
If you're not calling for a genocide, then you need to be clear when you're critical of Israel. Because sounding like a nazi gives credibility to the defenders of Israel who claim that all critics are nazis.
For the record no country has a right to exist. They either do exist or they don't.
What are you even talking about? The colonization of Palestine was ideological and started long before WW2. Zionism predates the Holocaust by several decades.
Even for the refugees you're conjuring up a completely false binary. It wasnt Palestine or nowhere. It was Palestine or Western countries accepting refugees
Like a Zionist, you are treating Palestine as if it were terra nullis. You could at least acknowledge that Israel was set up through ethnic cleansing and the cultural erasure of Palestinians. The Palestinians paid and are still paying for the crimes of the Europeans.
Yes anti semitism is on the rise just as xenophobia and white supremacy is on the rise but you're 1) conflating criticism of Israel which isn't antisemtic with hatred of Jews, which is and 2) suggesting that criticising genocide and calling for the dismantling of Israel somehow encourages anti semitism which is disingenuous.
It is possible to oppose the state of Israel without opposing Jewish people.
Yep, I'm one of them. Are we saying that the United States doesn't have a right to exist? Canada and Mexico have their own skeletons in their closets, too. Which countries have a right to exist? The Palestinians were "displaced" by the British, who took control from the Ottomans, who conquered the land from the Egyptians, the Mongols, the Crusades... how far back are we going to go?
Or maybe we accept that a nation is constructed of modern people who are not responsible for the sins of their forebears. Maybe we can criticize genocidal tyrants and war criminals without dehumanizing an entire citizenry and calling for their extermination. Because if both sides are calling for the eradication of the other, then the historical claim to the territory is irrelevant. If both sides justify violence with divine provenance, then neither side maintaims the moral high ground.
Israel is engaged in a genocide. They should be stopped, with violence if necessary. But condemning the people's right to exist blunts the criticism of genocide. It makes it appear to be a holy war between two violent terrorists, when that is far from the reality.
Immediate? Immediately after not being active in this thread before?
And accusing me of that particular fallacy makes no sense either considering my post merely pointed out that the person I responded to did not have a great point in trying to catch anyone in an inconsistency between their treatment of the US colonization vs. the founding of Israel.
Yes it appears so. Not sure how much of it is down to the narcissistic Germans who think they are being righteous by repressing and censoring pro Palestine voices.
In a wide-ranging interview for Sky News' Trump 100 podcast, Matthew Miller also said if he was "outside of government" he would have preferred a "better candidate" for the 2024 presidential election than Mr Biden.
Matthew Miller also said if he was "outside of government" he would have preferred a "better candidate" for the 2024 presidential election than Mr Biden.
If it helps, you see, he was “in government” at the time so he had no choice but to be a shit eating sycophant who told the president whatever he thought he wanted to hear. Had he been outside government, and free from the shackles of his own cowardice, he would have preferred a better candidate. A patriot if ever I saw one.
If it helps, you see, he was “in government” at the time so he had no choice but to be a shit eating sycophant who told the president whatever he thought he wanted to hear.
"Just following orders" is very famously not a defense for being complicit in a genocide
His administration was great; he was not. He has been mentally inept for years, funded what was (and still is) a genocide, and refused to keep his one term promise. Biden even has had the gall to say he would have done better than Kamala after every public appearance where he shit the bed. Biden was and is a piece of shit and it is because of him we are dealing with trump again. He did have competent people in his administration doing good work(miss you Lina Khan). Harris & Walz never had an opportunity because Biden
He took the shitty situation that the country and world was in and turned it around.
He was not and he is not a piece of shit and Trump getting back in is squarely on the shoulders of the people who voted Trump in or decided not to vote.
The world and the country would be in a better place right now almost everywhere if he won again.
Anyone could turn around from what trump did in his 1st term. Yes, the world would be better if he won, but that’s the irony. Biden’s ego delivered another trump victory. It sucks but that’s what happened. If he can’t deliver a clear message, he is not the person that’s going to defeat a lifelong con man. Blaming voters doesn’t win elections and isn’t a path forward. Biden was and is shit for his role in the Gaza genocide alone
So someone who enables genocide is not, in your moral framework, a piece of shit. Full stop. Not even a "lesser evil" argument, just straight out not-evil.
You dont understand its actually really important that I be able to ignore the genocide and operate as if it isnt happening otherwise youre purity testing me and I cant accept being called a bad person for handwaving it away. This is why "the left" is so divided, too many people hung up on the genocide. What happened to imperfect allies! /s
Not when there were two options on the election. One of two people were going to win and a performative vote for neither was as good as a vote for Trump. I agree that Biden was not a good person and his complacency in genocide is atrocious, but he would have been better now than Trump is.
There was two options because the majority of Americans decided so for being fine with a two party system for decade if not more than a century . You can't blame third party voters which even if they all voted for Harris she would still lost for wanting change
he would have been better now than Trump is.
For Americans yes, for Gaza not all all. Trump being vocal about ethnic cleansing plan make you think he is a lot worse but the USA was never going to oppose Israel. Facts on the group is that the USA been giving billions dollars to Israel and unlimited diplomatic support no matter who is in charge. Democrats can't keep saying over and over about how Biden was trying to hard to stop the war , it won't make it true when no real pressure was done with actions supporting it.
We already forgot about Bush war crimes and don't want it to happen again. Don't think I will forget that trump continued support the genocide when he is out either.
There were two options because the US has a FPtP voting system that always devolves to a two party system. The American voters didn't decide to go two part as a whole, it was predetermined.
I can absolutely blame third party and non voters. Everyone of them was complacent with a Trump victory, because unless they're completely ignorant, that was the known outcome. Doesn't matter how you want to paint it, that's the reality.
Maybe you've not read anything else I've posted. Biden is a POS and his complacency is disgusting. Trump is worse. If every 3rd party voter voted Harris, she would have won the popular vote and district depending, maybe the electoral as well. Everyone of them is also to blame. Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, go ahead, but third party and non voters were complacent with a trump presidency. If they weren't, they'd have voted for Harris. Doesn't matter what hoops you jump through to justify, reality is reality, unless your into "alternate facts" like more typical Trump supporters.
What's 75,000,000 + 2,800,000? Is it more than 77,300,000?
Math is hard for some people, and to those of you that struggle with it (the answer is yes, 77.8 million is more than 77.3 million) it may seem like alternative facts, but really, it's elementary level research and math.
His admin got a lot of good shit done and I think history will show it as one of the best presidencies in the past 30+ years, but Biden was and is a PoS for being complacent with genocide. I voted for the same complacent Harris and would have done the same for Biden because Trump was and is worse, but Trump being king of the shit pile doesn't absolve Biden's shittiness.
Voters and non voters are 100% to blame for Trump being POTUS, but that and Biden's admins accomplishments have no bearing on the quality of person that Biden is and was.
Every president prior to Biden wasn't facing a full genocide in Palestine. I'm not saying it was sunshine and rainbows before, but it was full invasion genocide during Biden's tenure. The situation was very different, way worse, and while things should have been different for every president before Biden, he should have been better. He wasn't, and that's why he's a POS.
Also, the actions of other presidents has no bearing on Biden as a person. They were all independently also trash for many of their policies. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Why are you so hard on downplaying genocide? It should be a main topic in every conversation about US politics, because it's heinous. Like I've said, I voted for the lesser of two evils in the last two elections, I would have voted for Biden if it were him, but it doesn't excuse his actions.
Why are you so hard on downplaying genocide? It should be a main topic in every conversation about US politics, because it's heinous.
This is the updated version of ‘are you still beating your wife?’
This is the exact same as the anti-abortion activists screeching about the wholesale murder of babies.
I wish the world was as black and white as you desperately want it to be but if you scratch the surface you realize that it’s very complicated and nuanced and messy.
This isn't a single issue voter thing. This is condemning genocide and the people that enable it. It's not at all like anti abortion, because an abortion isn't murder while slaughtering living humans is. People that didn't vote for Biden on the grounds of Palestine are idiots, and I know they exist, but that's not what we're debating. We're debating the character of Joe Biden, genocide enabler.
If you don't think the genocide is a black and white issue, you're a fucking psycho. If you think that the genocide in Palestine is justified, you maybe had an argument for the first couple of days following the Hamas attack, but the moment it publicly went from trying to get back hostages to carpet bombing hospitals, shooting children, and blocking side to create a famine, you have nothing. That is black and white.
I agree with you, Biden did handle it better, albeit marginally, but what he did (or didn't) do, still makes him a shit person, just less shitty than the alternative. That's why I voted for Harris and would have voted for him.
He expanded the IRS with, what, 84,000 agents?....under the guise of going after all the crooked billionaires. Everyone cheered!!! Then he set them against anyone who deposited $600.
The IRS immediately started harassing me for money that I absolutely DO NOT FUCKING OWE because that goddamn asshole told everyone to go out and justify their paycheck.
He didnt change any of the tax loopholes for billionaires. He attacked the working class instead.
He has ALWAYS been a right wing conservative, and he's a fucking demented asshole who should NEVER have been allowed near any nomination stage.
And he didnt win the nom in 2020. He was second to last ahead of Bloomberg. That shit was rigged because "its his turn! Remember obama??!!"
Then he REFUSED to defend the country from criminals and terrorists.
Best President since Jimmy Carter is a low, low bar. We forget that Carter was a neo-liberal who threw labor under the bus. Because the Presidents since have been so right-wing, he looks like a leftist in the rear view. And throwing the working classes under the bus is one of the major reasons we're here now.
That headline's lack of punctuation made me think Mr. M. M. Israel committed war crimes in Gaza. I went to the article to see what it is he could have done there as a former Biden official that would qualify.
Oh, definitely. But the title of the article makes it sound like a person named “Matthew Miller Israel” was personally in gaza committing war crimes. A modicum of punctuation could have solved it.
Mistake : an action, decision, or judgment that produces an unwanted or unintentional result
Biden and he knew very well what they was doing. That's not a mistake
I am sure that you agree that the statue of limitation do not apply to someone who committed a crime or assisted the killer. So why do you oppose condemning Biden and Miller and not forget what they did?
Let’s reopen this criticism of these past mistakes later ok? Don't you mean never when did any American president been brought to justice for war crimes ?
Probably because it does nothing now while children are burning to death.
It should definitely not be forgotten... but it also shouldn't be our focus. Because if you focus on the inconsequential you get the situation we've constantly been in the last... well probably at least as long as the US has been a thing.
If this were more like reconstruction after the US civil war, where the damage has been done and we're trying to recover from it, it might be the same. Where forgiving past mistakes causes massive consequences that are still being felt. We're not at that point yet, if we ever manage to get there.
We can focus on more than one thing . There is no mistake here, a mistake is an unintentional action that have bad consequences. the USA been deliberately ignoring and helping Israel terrorism, occupation and oppression of Palestinians for decades
Sure, but what we are going to do about it now matters far more than what we're going to do with the people no longer in a position to do anything about it.
There's sure gonna be a lot of them if we spend all our time wringing our hands about what they've done in the past instead of preventing it in the future!
Not a single person in the world can fix all issues all at once. Most people can barely keep one important thing in their mind at a time. We have too many things to worry about to obsess about a group of people who have almost no power anymore. If the time comes when the pendulum swings back in their direction, sure, it's worth making it an issue... but the world is on fire and you seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time buying gasoline.
Stop trying to fight every battle all at once, and most importantly stop trying to get everyone else to care about every battle you're obsessed with fighting. They'll just end up treating it like everything else, too much to deal with.
Sure war criminals can be free with no accountability when they no longer in power. What a terrible logic. We will demonize them as much as we want, you can't stop that.
Maybe if your presidents was held accountable like Bush , trump wouldn't feel free to do all the terrible thing he does.
Will you forgive trump and forget his crimes when he is out?
The immediate need is to not allow these weak willed genocide enablers anywhere near power again. We need the position of those connected to this administration to be in pile of pig manure, so that way we get people who aren't absolute fucking cowards doing less than the bare minimum to maintain their own system.
People are dying right now that Biden's administration could've saved, but because the cause long precedes the effect, we need to be looking farther ahead. Weak liberals will be complicit at best, and monsters at worst, so we need to work every day until the next somewhat fair election to make their brand weak.
When the fascists begin to bleed themselves dry, the left must lead the charge, not the money loving liberals. If we don't lay that groundwork before most can envision the fight, we'll have feudalists ushering in a "return to normalcy" with broad support from the public.
None, I was taking the piss. As I say, I’m assuming that they were benefitting somehow and no longer are. Point is they didn’t wake up yesterday morning and go “you know what, that Gaza situation is a bit fucked”.
Earlier this year, as President Donald Trump was beginning to reshape the American government, Michael, an emergency room doctor who was born, raised, and trained in the United States, packed up his family and got out.
Michael now works in a small-town hospital in Canada. KFF Health News and NPR granted him anonymity because of fears he might face reprisal from the Trump administration if he returns to the U.S. He said he feels some guilt that he did not stay to resist the Trump agenda but is assured in his decision to leave. Too much of America has simply grown too comfortable with violence and cruelty, he said.
Based on how much the institutions of the US will continue to uphold, I think we'll see the impact in 10 years or more. Hopefully, though -- granted, hope isn't an operational term, just an ideal -- there will be some measure of course correction within that decade.
What was the term back during Bush's war on peace?
"Extraordinary Rendition"
No. That was shipping "criminals" to torture camps and prisons in a third country so the US wouldn't be blamed for all the torture and illegal imprisonment.
That sounds familiar. Like recently familiar.
Still. Wonder if there's a name for kidnapping escaped scientists who fled the country and bringing them back. I bet there's a German word. There's always a German word. Might be 47 letters and entirely unpronounceable. But it probably exists.
That was true pre-Trump. Now? All bets are off. And frankly, I will look down on a new foreign medical doctor now, not because I think the quality of care sucks. But because in my mind I would be thinking “what kind of dumb fuck wants to move here right now?”
We have a friend who's a pediatric emergency physician in a world-class US city. The day Trump was elected, she scrubbed her social media of anything critical, and started quietly scouting properties she can move her family to in friendlier countries. Right now her income is supporting like 3 US households, if she pulls out, it's like 3 families, 3 mortgages, all of that money goes with her.
We will take all the doctors (and nurses) that want to leave that third world shithole. I'll meet you at the border and give you a lift to wherever you want to go.
If I could drive in the snow, and deal with the snow, and the rest of the winter wonderland I'm not at all accustomed to, I would have been in Canada a long time ago.
Amjad al-Shawa, director of the NGO Network in Gaza, has confirmed that aid distribution centers supervised by the American security company and the enemy army have been transformed into military sites serving the Israeli and American agendas.
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From the article, Google can technically let AOSP still exist while destroying it in practice:
what could happen is that Google takes Android closed source from here on out, spinning off whatever remains of AOSP up until that point into a separate company or project... This technically means “AOSP is not going away”,
Wild how many news sites just take "AOSP is not going away" to mean "nothing will change". Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together can deduce this statement is entirely meaningless, as even closing Google's Android fully and spinning of…
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“Gov. Gavin Newsom long insisted that he had no interest in running for president, despite rampant speculation. Now he’s publicly acknowledging that it’s a possibility.”
For more than three years, most of Russia has viewed the war sparked by the Kremlin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine from afar.
Now, some say, following an audacious attack by Ukraine that saw hordes of drones smuggled into Russia and then deployed on June 1 to wipe out dozens of long-range bombers, it has arrived on their doorstep.
In the Irkutsk, Murmansk, Ryazan, and Ivanovo regions, drones struck air bases, shocking Russian authorities and citizens.
"It was a fiery hell," residents of the Irkutsk region told RFE/RL's Siberia Realities.
In Siberia, some 4,000 km away, residents appeared to be shaken.
"Now the war has reached us too," residents told Siberia Realities.
For more than three years, most of Russia has viewed the war sparked by the Kremlin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine from afar. Now, some say, an audacious attack by Kyiv deep inside Russia means it has arrived on their doorstep.
Australia was gripped by some of the worst wildfires in history, and it was said that, while wildfires are inevitable, climate change contributed to the scale of them.
Saw loads of Americans call it alarmism, abd not an issue because it was just Australia.
Then the next year America was gripped by some of the worst wildfires in history. Suddenly those same people were wondering if it could be that climate change thing.
I don't know what sources you're referring to but I live in a place in the US that has been choked out by wildfire smoke multiple times a summer for the last several years and no one really talks about it. It's not acknowledged as a new phenomenon or related to climate change at all. At most you hear a "smoky out today huh?"
Yup. Midwest here and people have been bitching about smoke for 4-5 years now. But not a single word on why this wild new, yearly experience is happening.
I’m on the us west coast and the national news (think USA today, cnn, fau, etc.) is all “there is smoky weather over there or smthn, anyway here is a monkey dancing” each summer (local news is covering the smoke obviously)
BUT as soon as it started drifting eastward and reached Nyc/DC then the news lit up with it about climate change/hazardous conditions.
For what it’s worth, this yank donated cash to Aussie fire relief back then. I have a bitchin death metal shirt with koalas and kangaroos on it where the profits went to the fire relief too. Love that shirt.
and now we collaborate quite nicely! we share fire fighting helicopters and fire fighters often fly over to help each other, since our seasons are offset
hopefully that remains and isn’t just seen as “giving things away” and used as a bargaining chip in a perverse game of number go up
Are you implying Ukraine was wrong to pull off this attack?
Because that smells like Russian apologism.
Edit yeah you can see whenever you catch Russians when they're thought they were being "smart". It's honestly ridiculous how low your bar is for that. It's almost like interacting with another species.
Oh I do. Lemmy is filled with Russian bots, who the fuck cares about votes? Lol.
So it's a pacifist comment then?
Because either it realises this attack destroyed equipment thats used to kill people, thus leading to less killing (ie on the way to stopping killing) or it's a "Ukraine shouldn't be bombing Russia, everyone should just live in peace" which is just dogwhistling Russian propaganda as there's definitely not any actual Ukrainian pacifists here.
And they're the ones getting bombed. But you're just here for a snarky oneliners, you don't possess the capacity to argue it.
Yeah, anyone who isn't a screaming idiot can see it.
I'm a Finnish person, in the Finnish reserves. I gladly kill Russians who break international laws, like the pathetic sack of shit Putin is.
And I can prove that.
I'm not like davel@lemmy.ml who claims to be American while sucking Putler's cock, spreading Russian propaganda.
From the downvotes and still not receiving an explanation to the first comment, yeah, everyone with a basic education from a developed country would know, yes. I assume that grouping doesn't involve, among others, you.
Dare you say any of those things or are you a pussy afraid of getting arrested over writing things online and then "having an accident"?
Yes, the old "mentally ill people have nothing to contribute".
Ever stopped to think about how stupid that fucking argument is, since more intelligence usually means a highers likelyhood of mental disorders?
Some of these leading professors in bipolar diseases take heavy doses if lithium for their personal bipolar diseases.
Disregarding that, the implication you're making is that there aren't Russian trolls on Lemmy, and definitely not a concerted effort of any sort, ever. And if there are Russian troll on Lemmy, they certainly wouldn't lie about being Russian trolls. Like davel@lemmy.ml is always admitting he's a Russian shill.
Oh no wait, he's always pretending to be an American.. How weird, isn't it?
Edit, weird how you stopped accusing me of being a Russian troll? (also inb4 Russians calling it nazi cross, it's a cross used in military symbols all over the world, extensively in Russian military as well)
Whst exactly do you think I've asserted at any point in this thread, except for personal facts about me, like that I'm part of the Finnish Defence Forces?
I've explicitly stated I've not asserted anyone being definitely something. So please, do enlighten me?
Perhaps your English isn't yet on the level where you can distinguish "assert" and "imply"?
You realise you're still avoiding insanely simple questions, right?
Unlike some, no matter what I say here, I don't have to fear physical reprisal. Unlike Russians. In Russia, being a journalist is extremely fucking dangerous, and that's why most Russians are afraid for their lives and would never admit what a small-cock authoritarian Putin is.
Eugh. Such a bore, just vomiting the names of fallacies, not even understanding how one uses them.
Well, make it clear for everyone. You admit that Putin is a war criminal who should be seized and trialed for crimes against humanity, IMMEDIATELY? Right?
The only thing I can conclude from your behavior is you're trying to manufacture defense of putin out of nothing with performative anger and a refusal to comprehend responses to it.
I'm manufacturing defense of Putin? Me? A member of the Finnish Defence Force? A Finnish reserve member, trained to kill cyka ruskis?
Me who's saying Putin is a pathetic balding whore afraid to even appear in public because his country hates him so? Putler, who has an ICC warrant ouf for his arrest?
You don't understand how clever Russian disinfo is. That is a comment that should be read as "Hey, Russia, please stop and Ukraine won't have to keep doing this to you" but it can also be read as "War is always bad, so this too was bad".
The fact there's two options and this is a pro-Ukraine article means it needs clarification. Because Russian disinfo accounts rely on things like that to build credibility to their accounts. If you're not completely sure when checking an account, if it's a little messy to figure out who a person is for and who they're not for, you're more likely to give up. And then that account can continue.
Lemmy is fucking infested with Russians.
And if you think this is cynic or paranoid or whatever, I've a bridge to sell you
Mate, as much as I want to believe you and I think you are right in general terms, in this particular case it is a false positive I have not tagged this account and I've glanced the account and I didn't see anything that would be tankie like.
However yes lemmy is infested with Russian disinfo but this ain't it chief.
Ah well, if you trust everyone on the internet, dear stranger, then so do I.
Henceforth I shall never question anything. It's not like bad actors actually exist.
Why bother retaining any sort of suspicion towards anything? It'd just be a waste of energy. Well meaning people have never been taken advantage of as far as I remberer.
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That's the issue. You misunderstood and you try again and again to be right on the internet. It won't work. May I suggest some meditation? meditofoundation.org/ is free.
Why is it that people online think they're masters of nuance, and other people just don't even understand what the word means?
Do you have any idea how good Russian disinfo is? That's like the only thing I'll ever give them credit for; spycraft and manipulation. They're fucking experts at it. CIA relies on machines and could never manufacture campaigns to shift Russian public opinion on the scale that Russia manufactures opinions in the Anglosphere. Russia uses people, and extremely effectively. Social engineering more than hacking, simply put.
I meditate daily, probably since you were born. If you speak Finnish, I'd suggest listening to Väinö Pertamo "Itserentoutushypnoosi" to learn the basics. Unfortunately even if you find the clip and manage to read the words said in it, I don't think it will work, because it's so much about the timbre of dr Pertamo. Basically more than half the lesson is not about the words.
Anyway, that aside, the point is I genuinely am glad of the downvotes. That will make some people question, why? It is quite the innocent comment. But to say it's obviously the meaning which is more likely, is well, to fall into the trap.
I'm not saying what it is. I'm pointing out that vaguely positively comments on Ukraine communities are something which Russian accounts use at the start to render credibility to their accounts, without having actually said anything that's not in-line with their propaganda.
You can jest and say I misunderstood and am making shit up, or that I'm being paranoid, but again, I simply care more about actually having this argument out there than you mocking me for it. For all I know, (and I underline I do not believe in this at all, but it is possible, if not even plausible), you're part of it. As me making that point would reveal that tactic, rendering it less useful unless it's "thoroughly debunked".
That's what happens with all of it. Once I caught davel@lemmy.ml, we went on for days, him claiming he's American. Now he doesn't even post anywhere else than lemmy.ml, because he knows he can't mod, so he doesn't want to, because he knows I or some other troll-hunter will be on him like stink on a pile of shit for the pretend-American he is.
And he's probably not even paid, just a nationalist moron. The people who actually get paid aren't that stupid.
Because again, Russia is terrifyingly good at manipulating people.
Although a part is ofc the ubiquitous nature of English and somewhat arcane nature of Russian. It's easier for a Russian to pretend to be from the West than the other way around. Except in voice chats. Reminds me of when I caught a Russian on the Irish national discord. He claimed he was Irish, but lucky for me their egos are easy to hurt. Dude didn't even know what a limerick was or where Limerick is. Once I managed him on voice, he had such a strong fucking Russian accent, and the most pathetic attempt at hiding it and trying a cartoonish Irish one.
It was hilarious.
So again, mock me all you want. No such thing as bad pr when it comes to talking about Russian disinformation
Everything you've said is true, but keep in mind that Ukraine isn't exactly an LGBT paradise. Hate crime against gay people isn't recognised by law, and for the past years most pride parades ended up with people hospitalised as a consequence of far right attackers.
Hate crime against gay people isn’t recognised by law
...it's not recognised in e.g. Germany either? Crime is recognised by law which plenty of states consider plenty. Punching people outside of self-defence is wrong doesn't really matter to many jurisdictions why you're doing it.
Protections against workplace etc. discrimination were introduced in 2014, gay marriage is on society's agenda but as so often the first reading was controversial and now there's a war and the constitution can't be changed, anyway.
You could say the same thing about people getting hospitalised at prides about Poland. Ukraine is a post-soviet state so the starting point was "not great, not terrible" (that is, it wasn't literally illegal to be gay but no social acceptance whatsoever), and is moving in the right direction. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.
Do note that the likes of right sector don't have wider societal backing. Politically, they're very much fringe.
>> Since May 27, some 160 people have reportedly been killed in massacres at these #GHF sites, which people in Gaza are reportedly beginning to refer to as a “death trap”.
>> But, again, … Israel and its spinmeisters were crying antisemitic blood libel at the very suggestion that #IDF troops would fire upon people trying to obtain food.
>> Even without the CNN report [edition.cnn.com/2025/06/04/mid…], Israel’s own actions since June 1 have proved that Israeli forces do indeed deliberately fire upon starving civilians seeking humanitarian aid. Israel lied. Again.
>> … They’ve been caught lying so many times that there is no reason to take any of their denials seriously.
With the federal hiring freeze lifting in mid-July, the Trump administration has rolled out a controversial federal hiring plan that critics warn will politicize and likely slow down the process rather than increase government efficiency.
De-emphasizing degree requirements and banning DEI initiatives—as well as any census tracking of gender, race, ethnicity, or religion to assess the composition of government—the plan requires every new hire to submit essays explaining which executive orders or policy initiatives they will help advance.
Yeah, there's a name for it. But I forget what it is. The intention is to make the courts look illegitimate and biased when they rule against them. Only works on idiots, but, well, here we are.
So the only qualification is enthusiastic, unquestioning loyalty to the stupidest man in the USA and his fascist program. Education and thinking will count against you. That checks out when you look at the people already working for him.
There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always -- do not forget this, Winston -- always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- for ever.'
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And remember that it is for ever. The face will always be there to be stamped upon. The heretic, the enemy of society, will always be there, so that he can be defeated and humiliated over again. Everything that you have undergone since you have been in our hands -- all that will continue, and worse. The espionage, the betrayals, the arrests, the tortures, the executions, the disappearances will never cease. It will be a world of terror as much as a world of triumph. The more the Party is powerful, the less it will be tolerant: the weaker the opposition, the tighter the despotism.
If I end up working for the federal government, I'll just have AI writing all my stupid shit for that. Don't have to compromise my values if I didn't write it, right?
If I was in a position where I could work for the government at all, I'd take the job, swear whatever they wanted me to, then make sure I hurt them as badly as possible. After all, they swore to uphold the constitution, didn't they?
It also requires essays on applicants' commitment to upholding the Constitution, furthering government efficiency, and maintaining a strong work ethic.
As though it's remotely possible to support both Trump and the constitution.
I pledge allegiance to Trump of the United Corporations of the world and to the corporations for which they stand one world nation under Trump with trickle down economics for all.
The United Kingdom plans to build new nuclear-powered attack submarines and increase military spending in response to threats from Russia and Trump.
The United Kingdom will build new nuclear-powered attack submarines and create an army ready to fight a war in Europe as part of a boost to military spending designed to send a message to Moscow — and Washington.
Prime Minister Keir Starmer said Britain “cannot ignore the threat that Russia poses” as he pledged to undertake the most sweeping changes to Britain’s defenses since the end of the Cold War more than three decades ago.
Personally I would instead consider how the recent advances in drone technologies could be applied to underwater operations and/or water-based launch platforms.
Nuclear submarines feel like a relic of the cold war at this point.
**a stealth submarine receives a long wavelength communications about an enemy craft due to enter its area the next day. she changes course towards the kelp forest it passed earlier, knowing the risk of prop entanglement. Nothing her crew can't handle. She notices that she has developed a certain liking to the flavour now, as she begins grazing on the long slimy leaves.
Immediately her internals begins to work at dehydrating, digesting and then producing the derived materials which feed directly to an intricate set of machines that weave back and forth, materializing a small fleet of self guided swim drones that will soon find themselves swimming towards the unsuspecting enemy soon.**
Such things have to be wire guided, or autonomous. Subs have really good wire deployment systems, so it's not something out of the question, but water blocks radio signals quite effectively.
Major companies in the U.S. have begun shifting legal work away from prominent law firms that struck deals with the Trump administration, according to The Wall Street Journal.
The WSJ reported on a legal luncheon at Manhattan's Cipriani restaurant in May, where Brooke Cucinella, a top lawyer at the hedge-fund Citadel, told other lawyers present that they like working with lawyers who don't run from a fight.
Not only are firms that struck deals losing clients, but those actively challenging the Trump administration in court are attracting new corporate business, per the WSJ.
Major companies in the U.S. have begun shifting legal work away from prominent law firms that struck deals with the Trump administration, according to The Wall Street Journal.
You and I both called this.
Not only are firms that struck deals losing clients, but those actively challenging the Trump administration in court are attracting new corporate business, per the WSJ.
Why would I sign on with a business partner that has shown they can't do their one job? If I am trying to hire a painter I am not going to hire Mr. Bean.
How do the clients know that these law firms aren't sending every bit of confidential information to the Trump administration, attorney/client privilege be damned? Even if they are breaking the law in the process, why would it matter? The Trump administration can just hand-wave that away. Even if the law firms don't want to turn over the information, what do you think they're going to do when Trump says "Hand it over or I've got another EO waiting on my desk to be signed."?
These law firms have been compromised, and no sane client should be retaining them.
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Rooskie91
in reply to Gork • • •Shhh don't tell them that American Corporations have been doing that for years.
newatlas.com/computers/smartph…
Your phone isn’t secretly listening to you, but the truth is more disturbing
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dan
in reply to Rooskie91 • • •WhyJiffie
in reply to dan • • •this is a weird paragraph. no permission is needed for an app to take screenshots of itself. all apps can do that.
just an example: the Element matrix client has a bugreport feature that allows you to submit an automatically created screenshot of the previous menu.
it seems there are several ways to accomplish this: stackoverflow.com/questions/26…
dan
in reply to WhyJiffie • • •Do those code snippets on the Stackoverflow post allow you to capture the entire screen regardless of which app is open, or do they only allow you to capture the app the code is running in?
Capturing the app itself makes sense (for things like bug reports) but does Android really let any app capture whatever is on the screen?
WhyJiffie
in reply to dan • • •Akip
in reply to dan • • •Smart-tvs are in the same boat
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automati…
pcmag.com/news/own-a-vizio-tv-…
identification technology to recognize content played on a media device or present in a media file
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)dan
in reply to Akip • • •EndlessNightmare
in reply to dan • • •dan
in reply to EndlessNightmare • • •The one time I do connect the TV to the internet is when there's a firmware update that fixes an issue I'm encountering. That's rare though.
I still have it on my network so I can control it using Home Assistant (eg have a backlight come on and dim the main lights when the TV is turned on) but it's on an isolated VLAN.
just2look
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mitram
in reply to just2look • • •Although I dislike recall as much as anyone else, this is quite a bit worse.
From the article:
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bleistift2
in reply to mitram • • •lemmylommy
in reply to mitram • • •Kabaka
in reply to lemmylommy • • •For sure. But at least those images aren't kept in a secret location where users can't see or delete them. Even if Recall makes this harder, there's a meaningful difference here.
That said, neither one is doing you any privacy favors...
tocopherol
in reply to Kabaka • • •mitram
in reply to lemmylommy • • •raspberriesareyummy
in reply to mitram • • •mitram
in reply to raspberriesareyummy • • •I've explained my point here
mitram
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InternetCitizen2
in reply to just2look • • •Better than recall. No need for special hardware like an NPU, nor does it keep asking you to sign in.
/s
NotAnotherLemmyUser
in reply to InternetCitizen2 • • •yucandu
in reply to just2look • • •I'm really tired of people saying "both sides are the same" when it comes to western capitalist exploitation vs eastern totalitarian authoritarianism.
It's ironically so privileged to even make the comparison because if it were the same, you wouldn't have been allowed to make this comment.
just2look
in reply to yucandu • • •I didn't say both sides are the same. I made a stupid joke about a garbage operating system and the garbage company that runs it.
And your example of stopping people on the streets to inspect their phones doesn't really do a great job at making the argument you're trying to make. We have ICE running around and throwing people into contracted prisons even when they have proof of citizenship. We are trafficking people to foreign concentration camps. We are rocketing at light speed to a techno fascist authoritarian state and the level of surveillance we are under is increasing at a mind boggling pace.
So we aren't the same, and the people currently in charge are striving to make the differences smaller every day.
tauren
in reply to just2look • • •Nah, the joke was fine. They overreacted.
GnuLinuxDude
in reply to just2look • • •In addition to your point, literally just two days ago I saw an article about a Texas sheriff running a search through a nation-wide network of license plate readers to track down a woman suspected of having an abortion.
Oh OK they didn't stop her on the street, they just queried the panopticon system that tracked her movement as much as possible. Want to protest a genocide your state and university are sponsoring? Sorry, MIT will muzzle you and now you are now forbidden from giving the commencement address. Wouldn't want to offend the dear leader in the white house.
Obelix
in reply to yucandu • • •Vespair
in reply to Obelix • • •BrainInABox
in reply to Obelix • • •I'd rather live in NK then in Gaza: the West loves to create hellholes, and the US has the most prisoners of any country on earth so calling it a 'free society' is pretty rich.
More to the point, if any Western country had done to it what NK had done to it by the West during the Korean war, it would turn into a brutal basket case far worse then anything NK could imagine. Things like 9/11 and October 7 turn Westerners into frothing omnicidal maniacs, and those are completely negligible in scope compared to what the west has done to other countries, including Korea.
BrainInABox
in reply to yucandu • • •plyth
in reply to yucandu • • •It works both ways. Is OP allowed to make the comment because he is more priviliged or because he has less power and is less of a threat?
Remember the McCarthy era. There can be more restrictions if needed.
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in reply to NaibofTabr • • •FelixCress
in reply to Steve • • •We noticed.
towerful
in reply to Gork • • •bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cewd82p0…
I think that's the link to the video?
Seems like it's part of a longer video...
Edit:
Hhmmm here is a slightly longer video that doesn't really add anything
Actual edit:
I genuinely couldn't find a better source video
- YouTube
youtu.beidriss
in reply to towerful • • •towerful
in reply to idriss • • •Is that the web interface? Or what app is that?
idriss
in reply to towerful • • •Optional
in reply to Gork • • •Yes. North Korea.
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Lost_My_Mind
in reply to meco03211 • • •Looks around modern day
You uh.....you think N Korea is the only ones?
yucandu
in reply to Lost_My_Mind • • •tal
in reply to meco03211 • • •Don Antonio Magino
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in reply to Gork • • •HubertManne
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in reply to HubertManne • • •cm0002
in reply to Gork • • •.ml admins and Tankies: "something something THATS JUST WESTERN LIES something NK is actually THE GOOD GUYS something something ITS JUST TO KEEP OUT WESTERN PROPAGANDAAAAA"
lemmy.world/post/29072279
peteyestee
in reply to Gork • • •cmnybo
in reply to peteyestee • • •peteyestee
in reply to cmnybo • • •applemao
in reply to Gork • • •sp3ctr4l
in reply to Gork • • •... How do you people think your stock mobile OS keyboard 'learns' how to better autocorrect to your manner of typing?
Do ya'll think that data is not available, for sale, to any business or agency that will pay for it?
peteyestee
in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •sugar_in_your_tea
in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •truxnell
in reply to sugar_in_your_tea • • •NotAnotherLemmyUser
in reply to sugar_in_your_tea • • •If I read somewhere correctly, they're also the first to open source their swipe dataset:
huggingface.co/datasets/futo-o…
You can also contribute and help out with their dataset here:
swipe.futo.org/
truxnell
in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •TwinTitans
in reply to Gork • • •AES_Enjoyer
in reply to Gork • • •Culf
in reply to AES_Enjoyer • • •kautau
in reply to Culf • • •Culf
in reply to kautau • • •AES_Enjoyer
in reply to kautau • • •kautau
in reply to AES_Enjoyer • • •lmfamao
in reply to AES_Enjoyer • • •It’s literally propaganda. For some reason I subjected myself to watching the BBC video that the article referenced and screenshotting the Korean text that the BBC video purports is autocorrecting terms in real time. Below are the findings
The only (half) correct claims they make are the “South Korea” and “comrade” translations, but they could just have set the autocorrect in the phone’s settings for each and every word in this video, before making it lmfao
Completely baseless claims and frankly pathetic attempt. Crazy how this shit spreads like wildfire
tocopherol
in reply to Gork • • •yucandu
in reply to tocopherol • • •BrainInABox
in reply to yucandu • • •thatradomguy
in reply to Gork • • •sugar_in_your_tea
in reply to Gork • • •OsrsNeedsF2P
in reply to sugar_in_your_tea • • •sugar_in_your_tea
in reply to OsrsNeedsF2P • • •?
Well, at least we're on a .world community. I'm doing my part!
EndlessNightmare
in reply to sugar_in_your_tea • • •Chloé 🥕
in reply to Gork • • •GreenKnight23
in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •edit: because the sarcasm was lost on some, I am not advocating for this message.
I am mocking it.
Pnut
in reply to Gork • • •ramenshaman
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in reply to Gork • • •Kusimulkku
in reply to Korkki • • •hsdkfr734r
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •I guess a smart phone would be a luxury item in NK. So one could chose not to use one instead of being tracked?
In Germany the government and police use the word Quellentelekommunikationsüberwachung (telecommunication source surveillance) when they express their desire to have a Trojan on someone's phone - to protect the children of course.
So the phenomenon is not unknown outside of NK.
Edit: fixed translation, thanks Muehe
pressanykeynow
in reply to hsdkfr734r • • •Yeah, right, as if that can be used by humans, or if it's even a word.
Muehe
in reply to pressanykeynow • • •de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telekomm…
It means "telecommunication source surveillance".
Informationserhebung von über eine gewisse räumliche Distanz ausgetauschten Informationen durch in der Regel staatlichen Stellen und meist ohne Wissen der Kommunikationsteilnehmer
Autoren der Wikimedia-Projekte (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)pressanykeynow
in reply to Muehe • • •Korkki
in reply to Kusimulkku • • •Kusimulkku
in reply to Korkki • • •𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆
in reply to Gork • • •OsrsNeedsF2P
in reply to 𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆 • • •laughs in PinePho--
Sorry, my battery died as I was typing that
thickertoofan
in reply to 𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆 • • •𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆
in reply to thickertoofan • • •No hardware documentation whatsoever. We don't know what registers and instructions exist at the lowest levels.
As far as I am aware, there is no way to totally shut off and verify all cellular connections made, like to pass all traffic through a logged filter.
Valmond
in reply to 𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆 • • •𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆
in reply to Valmond • • •There is certainly validity in the concept that no known instance of exploitation exists. However that is only anecdotal. The potential exists. Naïve trust in others has a terrible track record on these scales of ethics. Every instruction and register should be fully documented for every product sold.
An adequate webp image is only a few tens of kilobytes. Most people now have a bridged connection between their home network and cellular, unless they go out of their way to block it. Periodic screenshots are rather crazy. It would be much easier to target specific keywords and patterns.
kamen
in reply to 𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆 • • •I'd be interested in how this documenting could be done. If you're a manufacturer, you'd probably want to keep everything secret - except what's needed for a patent for example - otherwise the competition might get an idea of the proprietary things you make in house.
I mean I'm all for it, I just don't see it happening unless under very strict regulations.
Valmond
in reply to 𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆 • • •Well are we putting people in prison with the help of them? A secret screenshot folder nobody can exploit isn't very useful ...
Not saying it can't be done (you are of course right there), we hand it over freely often, but that the implications are not death to your family.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie
in reply to Valmond • • •You dont have to bring them to court with it for it to be useful. It could be used to target individuals then they use more conventional methods of evidence gathering to arrest.
I would guess they arent currently doing it enmasse because that doesnt sound useful either. I would say, solely on a vibes based level its been done by US intelligence. Its really not so different than a wiretap.
plyth
in reply to Valmond • • •en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printe…
digital watermark which certain color laser printers and copiers leave on every single printed page, allowing to identify the device with which a document was printed and giving clues to the originator
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Silicon
in reply to 𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆 • • •yucandu
in reply to Gork • • •Randomgal
in reply to yucandu • • •Maxxie
in reply to yucandu • • •This isn't really up to China, NK won't listen because it's not really up to them either. Most authoritarians would love to scale the repression down, but you can only do it while political and economic climate is right (without losing your power and your head)
If you signal to your citizens that they can speak more freely, the first thing out of their mouths will be Hey why did you do that fucked up thing?
Thus, you can "loosen the bolts" only when you are safe in your position of power and don't mind a few concessions to the masses. "Yes we overstepped a few lines, but it was all the fault of this one bad man and also look at all this bread we have now!"
This is why authoritarian countries usually have "seasons".
rottingleaf
in reply to Maxxie • • •Yes, it's also that authoritarian leaders grow plenty of friends and relatives who'd done really fucked up things. It's not in their control to just do the oppression legally and possibly to explain (as in "it was such a time", "those were imperfect measures and we've found a better way"), if they don't do serial murder\rape and drugs trade and racket and theft, someone of their surroundings will.
That's probably also why western political climates are slowly becoming more authoritarian - it's the same mechanism, just much smaller and slower. Maybe it's not drugs\murders\theft, but it's gray legal area tax evasion, suppose. Then after a few years it's something a bit worse, and so on, gradually.
Like it's impossible to make an eternal engine, it's impossible to make a political system without this.
Rimu
in reply to Gork • • •Valmond
in reply to Rimu • • •Yep, confunding dictatorships with google, sweeping Kim's regimes horrors under the mat.
It's almost like yes we have problems in our democracies but being put in prison because you don't want to starve to death isn't really on the list for us.
Diurnambule
in reply to Valmond • • •Valmond
in reply to Diurnambule • • •Diurnambule
in reply to Valmond • • •And just read , or maybe you do not think of homeless as people ?
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in reply to Valmond • • •That is the main reason people are in prison in the West, you're just privileged.
Valmond
in reply to BrainInABox • • •Oh yes the main reason people are in western prisons is because ... They do not want to starve to death.
Are you an AI bot just reversing comments?
BrainInABox
in reply to Valmond • • •Most crime in the West is driven by poverty, yes. So unless you're saying that NK literally convicts people for the formal, on the books crime of "not wanting to starve", then it's the same principle.
But I assume you already know you're wrong, based on the fact you're bringing out the personal attacks
Diurnambule
in reply to BrainInABox • • •MonkderVierte
in reply to Gork • • •demonsword
in reply to MonkderVierte • • •there are very few places in the world where this doesn't apply
by whom?
MonkderVierte
in reply to demonsword • • •Sure does. There's not one in history that worked out long term.
Usually by the citizens.
demonsword
in reply to MonkderVierte • • •I wish we could...
lechekaflan
in reply to Gork • • •I remember watching a series of Youtube videos by a guy working in the diplomatic department of a Southeast Asian country who I can't name, and he took videos while on the sly, his camera (or phone) hidden carefully, showing some glimpses of life in Pyongyang. At one point he and his wife visited the government-run department store and, yeah, it's pretty much a drab place to be there, you'll be only buying necessities. However, there's the special section where certain types of people such as high officials and foreigners are allowed to buy electronics, mostly with hard currency, and the merchandise included smartphones, all of them looked to be Chinese brands.
Lex4
in reply to lechekaflan • • •stebator
in reply to Gork • • •dev_null
in reply to stebator • • •Yes, Google's code processes every touch, they wrote Android after all, so you are technically correct.
Is it all being sent somewhere from every Android device? Of course not, that's ridiculous. Individual apps might have various levels of usage analytics though.
Zacryon
in reply to dev_null • • •angry Snowden noises
dev_null
in reply to Zacryon • • •Yes, I'm sure he's angry people are diluting the invigilation he exposed by coming up with fake ones all the time, and making people think it's not worth fighting it anymore.
Do you have something constructive to say? Did you read an interesting article about a new type of tracking by a security researcher? Maybe you ran your own network capture and found something previously unknown? Great, let's share that and learn how to block it.
Do you just wave your hands around and say that Google knows everything about you at all times using all Android devices, through unspecified means based on your gut feeling? Then that's not constructive and is just spreading helplessness.
Oh Google logs and collect all taps on the screen? I'd love to know through which system service that happens, how the data leaves the device, to which servers is it going, which devices are affected by this, and how we can disable it. Oh you made it up and actually there are no details? Right.
Zacryon
in reply to dev_null • • •I don't have the time right now to addeess all of this, but:
Device interactions can be used to identify users, predict and manipulate their behaviour, contribute to further identification measures etc..
Furthermore my point was that there are many reasons to be cautious about any type of data collection and processing. Saying a specific type would be ridiculous undermines the possible dangers stemming from this. Therefore I wouldn't plainly discard these concerns.
Even if, in this context, the transmission is not widely noticed, this doesn't pose a universal guarantee, especially if this can be turned on on demand via backdoors, trojans or whatever. Even worse if the transmission can be hidden. (Less likely for very proficient users with extremely tight network monitoring & control, but that's rarely the case.)
dev_null
in reply to Zacryon • • •I absolutely agree with you. What I'm arguing against is baseless FUD without any specifics, any sources, any details, and making extraodinary claims without extraordinary evidence. I didn't mean that the type of tracking is ridiculous, what I'm saying is ridiculous is the claim that Google is collecting the logs of EVERY touch on EVERY Android device. Does that claim even needs to be disproven?
It is patently obvious it cannot be happening on EVERY Android device. And I'd welcome evidence that it's happening on even a SINGLE one. But I don't see it. Because it's made up hyperbole that's poisoning the discussion of real tracking.
Because your touches are tracked. But not system-wide, but in individual apps, by the individual developers, most of whom don't share the data with Google, only if you use these apps, and each developer can only track what's happening in their own app. Which is worth talking about, but it's hard when people are just making stuff up.
stebator
in reply to dev_null • • •However, you can find it by navigating through your Google account settings.
Look for "Manage your data & privacy" > "History settings" > "Web & App Activity."
dev_null
in reply to stebator • • •Yeah, good stuff to tell people about!
But "Google is tracking your every touch on any Android device" is very different from "Google saves a history of your Google searches, and some major actions in some Google apps".
stebator
in reply to dev_null • • •Have you checked what's in it? Every action and touch is logged with all the details. Many people didn't even guess that such actions could be logged. It's like super spyware activity; it's very creepy. "Google is tracking your every touch on any Android device" - is exactly what it does.
I first noticed this issue around 2015, and I have been trying to disable it on every Android device since then. However, it re-enables itself from time to time. I have a few Google accounts, and it must be disabled on each one.
dev_null
in reply to stebator • • •What I'm seeing, is that:
That's already very far from every Android device, let alone every touch.
stebator
in reply to dev_null • • •Hm, are there any categories? I didn't see any, but maybe they've added them already. They log whatever they can. Today it's smartphones and tablets, but tomorrow it could be other devices and other things to be logged and uploaded to Google, like screenshots. The problem is that it's done behind your back, and many people are unaware of this creepy activity.
By the way, if you did not disable the option to automatically upload all photos to the cloud, then manually taken screenshots are already uploaded. Many people are too busy to find and disable this option. And we're discussing North Korea here, LOL.
taladar
in reply to Zacryon • • •Zacryon
in reply to taladar • • •3migo
in reply to stebator • • •pewgar_seemsimandroid
in reply to 3migo • • •stebator
in reply to pewgar_seemsimandroid • • •stebator
in reply to 3migo • • •Zacryon
in reply to Gork • • •That's the difference between North Korea and the western world:
In North Korea the government forces spyware onto your device.
In the western world, people share their data voluntarily and publicly.
Instagram, Facebook, Dropbox and Co. made it possible.
Bloomcole
in reply to Zacryon • • •KumaSudosa
in reply to Zacryon • • •There is no better regime than the West in this regard. Force things on people? You're gonna risk a revolt or dissent. 'Subtly' make people dependent on your product so they'll voluntarily use it and share everything with you while you 'subtly' control the algorithm in your favour? Now that's perfect. Social media is the ultimate tool of power and governance.
Although North Korea is a very "successful" oppressive regime, largely able to have full control over information both in and out of the country and to greatly limit desertion. I can't think of a "better" regime in this regard.
musubibreakfast
in reply to KumaSudosa • • •You're gonna cook up a crazy theory like that and not even mention big daddy capitalism?
edit: I was making a joke, it didn't land right. I agree with you, I probably wouldn't be on this website if I didn't.
Zacryon
in reply to musubibreakfast • • •What's crazy about that?
Haven't heard of, e.g., Cambridge Analytica?
KumaSudosa
in reply to musubibreakfast • • •CalipherJones
in reply to KumaSudosa • • •WanderingVentra
in reply to CalipherJones • • •Reminds me of that great joke -
::: spoiler A KGB agent and CIA agent meet up in a bar.
"I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.
"Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."
:::
::: spoiler Over analysis caveat of the joke
Of course it's not state media directly in the states, but the same billionaires who own the state own the media, so it turns out all to be the same thing in the end.
:::
BrainInABox
in reply to Zacryon • • •Bloomcole
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Unknown parent • • •wpb
in reply to Gork • • •KyuubiNoKitsune
in reply to wpb • • •Then you get these two madlads who go and find out..
The news clip commentary:
youtu.be/ZmYAoQL9jjo
The full video:
youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E
- YouTube
youtu.bewpb
in reply to KyuubiNoKitsune • • •WanderingVentra
in reply to KyuubiNoKitsune • • •Holy shit actual media criticism and analysis on North Korea. Never thought I'd see this day.
The little clip with the meta-commentary on news stories commenting about them was hilarious yet insightful, so I definitely have to watch the full documentary they're referencing (EDIT: especially if it's just the 20 minute video you linked. That's the full video? I thought I heard the word documentary so thought it would be longer).
Eugene V. Debs' Ghost
in reply to wpb • • •It really is a shame, as accurate reporting enables their crimes to be documented better, and gives them less ammo on the world stage.
"How can we be mistreating our citizens? Remember when people said sarcasm was banned? Haircuts had to be approved and the same? How can you believe anything."
Documenting people/governments/coprorations for the things they've actually done is the most we can ask for. Making shit up on the fly for a quick buck is the death of truth. It just enables them to deflect everything and anything.
There's dozens of reasons to dislike/distrust North Korea. We don't need to make ones up.
Rekorse
in reply to Eugene V. Debs' Ghost • • •billwashere
in reply to Gork • • •Arun Shah™
in reply to Gork • • •FE80
Unknown parent • • •en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LineageO…
mobile operating system based on Android
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)MehBlah
in reply to Gork • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to MehBlah • • •It's a secret smart phone that was smuggled out of the country by the Top Spies in the "Going to N. Korea to ride the subway" YouTube gang. We sent in some of our stealthiest and most clandestined professional infiltrators. Real Navy Seals meets Mission Impossible type guys. And they came out of N. Korea with this cutting edge "phone that randomly takes pictures while its in your pocket" technology.
Using the country's state of the art telecommunications system and their cutting edge image processing technology, the Glorious Leader analyzes over 40 Zetabytes of information daily. This dragnet of highly accurate, insanely rigorous, and insidiously nefarious ultra-spyware is then handed over to a crack team of North Korean special agents who utilize their pre-crime tracing technology to break up hundreds of resistance cells every year, long before they can become a threat to the iron fisted communist regime.
It's the only explanation for why North Koreans haven't fully revolted and overthrown their despotic leadership. Juche Super-science keeps the rabble in line.
Zenith
in reply to MehBlah • • •phantomwise
in reply to Gork • • •Silicon
in reply to phantomwise • • •bluewing
in reply to phantomwise • • •sandwich.make(bathing_in_bismuth)
in reply to phantomwise • • •lemmygrad and hexbear users now scavenging for windows phones
Bill Gates is actually a based ally!
TimewornTraveler
in reply to Gork • • •Corn
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Unknown parent • • •Nangijala
in reply to Gork • • •Read Bio
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in reply to Gork • • •surph_ninja
in reply to Gork • • •gwilikers
in reply to surph_ninja • • •Oh yeah, have there been reports on this ?
(Not trying to shut you down, I'm genuinely curious)
surph_ninja
in reply to gwilikers • • •Yeah, there have been various leaks over the years that trickle out. Supposedly they’ve banned companies from operating in the US for refusal to comply with backdoor demands (Hawei, Kaspersky), some reports of backdoors built right into both Intel & AMD processors, some vague stuff that’s come out about backdoors in Windows, etc. Even when the companies refuse to comply, there’s been reports of US intelligence going into factories or intercepting deliveries to install spy chips into hardware. I recall there was a local ISP provider somewhere in the mid-west that got shut down for refusing to install spy devices in their facilities.
Really a lot of this was confirmed as far back as Snowden. And plenty of whistleblowers and leaks since.
h6a
in reply to gwilikers • • •There's an extremely powerful backdoor in every processor/chipset. Intel named it "Management Engine" and AMD "Secure Technology".
From the Wikipedia page on Management Engine:
ME has Serial over LAN, so it's possible that attackers can have a more intimate access to your hardware than your Operating System.
I imagine other manufacturers have similar frameworks.
Full article.
firmware and software that runs on all modern Intel CPUs at a higher level than user-facing operating system
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)jim3692
in reply to h6a • • •Sure, those could theoretically be used for backdoor access to your computer.
However, they are trivial to spot on most routers. If you see another device on the ethernet port that your computer connects to, then something weird is going on.
Another important consideration is the fact that those technologies are meant for ethernet, while most people use laptops with wifi.
nutsack
in reply to Gork • • •fyzzlefry
Unknown parent • • •Murena - deGoogled and privacy by design smartphones and cloud services.
MurenaSocialMediaRefugee
in reply to Gork • • •SocialMediaRefugee
in reply to Gork • • •NK censors reviewing photos...
"Toilet, toilet, toilet, cat, toilet..."
twice_hatch
in reply to SocialMediaRefugee • • •por_que_pine
in reply to Gork • • •That Weird Vegan she/her
in reply to por_que_pine • • •Mellie (she)
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in reply to Gork • • •Rin
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Unknown parent • • •mugen
Unknown parent • • •IndustryStandard
in reply to Gork • • •smol_beans
in reply to Gork • • •That Weird Vegan she/her
in reply to smol_beans • • •didn't google just announce android was gonna do the same thing?
edit: it was microshaft.
rottingleaf
in reply to smol_beans • • •Yep. Just like with reverse-engineering software and making unintented use of proprietary services, whistleblowing depends at nobody being able to threaten you with jail or worse.
Your country should have made it law when Watergate and such were still fresh in memory. To make such mechanisms not just "de facto", but "de jure" reality. Because any "de facto" either becomes "de jure" or vanishes without a trace.
EDIT: similar with "adversarial interop" CD was talking about
EDIT2: or Gutenberg and the printing press and the conflicts to ensue...
Evotech
in reply to Gork • • •ziggurat
in reply to Evotech • • •katy ✨
in reply to Gork • • •atlien51
in reply to Gork • • •vane
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in reply to vane • • •Jhex
in reply to Gork • • •does anyone really think our freedom phones are far from this?
Maybe the western world can be given some credit on being a tad more subtle, but overall the difference here are in tecnique, not goals
Rekorse
in reply to Jhex • • •Zealousideal_Fox_900
in reply to Rekorse • • •Amnesigenic
in reply to Zealousideal_Fox_900 • • •Zink
in reply to Zealousideal_Fox_900 • • •Eh, they didn’t exactly paint it in a good light. It’s more like not laughing too much at the ordinary NK citizen’s big brother plight while the rest of us are being monitored constantly and much more real time.
The two situations are not the same, but the parallels show his we all deal with this crap in our own ways.
chiliedogg
in reply to Rekorse • • •Tracking someone's history through screenshots sounds like a fucking nightmare for the person doing the searching.
It's evil, but also a PITA for the analyst.
Tire
in reply to Jhex • • •Vinstaal0
in reply to Jhex • • •Jhex
in reply to Vinstaal0 • • •Does not exist in Murica
Vinstaal0
in reply to Jhex • • •But it does in the EU and similar laws exist in other countries. I can do nothing about the corruption in the states
Ps. it does exist in Amerika
dorp in de Limburgse gemeente Horst aan de Maas, Nederland
Bijdragers aan Wikimedia-projecten (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Spectrism
in reply to Jhex • • •market mechanisms by which the European Union regulation is adopted globally
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Jhex
in reply to Spectrism • • •foxacid
in reply to Vinstaal0 • • •RaoulDook
in reply to Jhex • • •Jhex
in reply to RaoulDook • • •Tell me you are blind to privilege without telling me you are blind to privilege...
I get what you are saying but claiming that Capitalism and the Free Market got you there is laughable.
A shit ton of people in the USA do not actually have a choice in carrier and choice of phone seriously depends on how rich you are, the spread is wide!
More importantly, how many people do you think have the tech knowledge (or access to pay) to get an open source OS in their phones?
RaoulDook
in reply to Jhex • • •Jhex
in reply to RaoulDook • • •RememberTheApollo_
in reply to Gork • • •moseschrute
in reply to RememberTheApollo_ • • •RememberTheApollo_
in reply to moseschrute • • •slst
in reply to RememberTheApollo_ • • •sugar_in_your_tea
Unknown parent • • •Unironically a good book about fascism happening in the US, and was written before 1984 and other dystopian novels that were largely reactionary to the USSR.
1935 dystopian novel by Sinclair Lewis
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)m3t00🌎
in reply to Gork • • •zipzoopaboop
in reply to m3t00🌎 • • •Erik L. Midtsveen 🏴🌈
in reply to Gork • • •- North Korean Smartphone
- koryolink Arirang AS1201 (North Korea's Smartphone) - Review
- YouTube
youtu.bescratsearcher 🔍🔮📊🎲
in reply to Gork • • •en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_…
Could the north Koreans have a copy of Pegasus (like) software/spyware through russia? Pegasus is a proven solution to spy on Saudi Arabia (and others) on ios™️ and android™️ devices.
spyware software
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Lovable Sidekick
in reply to Gork • • •outhouseperilous
in reply to Gork • • •GoodOleAmerika
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