Single core, 32 bit CPU, can't even do video playback on VLC. But it kinda works for some offline work, like text editing, and even emulation through zsnes! It's crazy how Linux keeps old hardware like this running.
Thankfully though, this laptop CPU is upgradable, and so is the ram, so I'm planning on revitalizing and bringing this old Itautec to the 21st century 😄
Ikr? Makes me wonder what that celeron was meant for? It barely ran the Win 7 that came preinstalled. That's why I'm so happy to see it run modern Debian with modern packages. Also why I'm doing some research on CPUs to upgrade it to
I assume it was made to upsell people to better CPUs. Celerons have always been awful.
That said, if Win7 came preinstalled then we're talking about different eras of Celeron, at least, I cannot imagine it would be as mediocre as a low-mid AMD CPU from 2004!
I always think of an ex of mine defending criticism of her craptop. "It was good for its time!" No, no it wasn't. It was built around a Celeron. It was built to be trash. It was ewaste with extra steps.
The first machine I ran Linux on was a 486DX 33MHz too. I think it had 8 MB (or some weird thing like 4 MB originally and randomly stuck 8 MB addition? I don't remember anymore.)
I had the exact same configuration. 4MB RAM upgraded to 8MB. 40MB HDD upgraded to 200MB later. And the fugliest case with triangular pastel buttons you ever saw. Ran Windows 3.11 then Slackware Linux on that for many years.
Who used those triangular pastel buttons? I remember seeing them on some friends’ computers but not on any Dells or Gateway 2000 machines. Maybe Compaq? Or Packard Bell?
I have not been able to find the case again since. It was a local shop that built it from parts, so it was not a big brand. I didn't pick the parts either, since I knew nothing about PCs at the time, and it showed lol.
Edit: it was a white/beige mini tower. If I recall correctly, it was similar to a lot of cases at the time, with a black band across and a circular button on the right. The turbo and reset buttons were pink and teal in the shape of triangles. I purchased it in 1992 when I needed a PC for college.
I started on a DX2 66 MHz with 4 MB RAM and 420 MB HDD. 4 x 1 MB modules. Later upgraded to 20 MB RAM (added 4 x 4 modules) and a 1.2 GB Matrox HDD that need an extra driver to be used. With 20 MB I created a RAM drive, copied Doom to it and ran it - loaded real fast but frame rate was horrible.
Yeah, mine was similar. Had some old Win95 machines from work that were getting thrown away; scavenged as much RAM as possible into one case and left Red Hat Linux downloading overnight on the company modem. Needed two boxes of floppy disks for the installer, and I joined up a 60 MB and an 80MB hard drive using LVM to create the installation drive. It was a surprisingly functional machine - much better at networking than it was as a Win95 computer - but yeah, those days are long gone.
My first was a rare CPU, but not that old. It was my first PC and was fanless, which I used to think was normal until years later. It was a VIA Cyrix III, maybe 32 MB RAM. Another interesting thing about this CPU was its overclock capabilities. I don't know how it did survive my overclocking, since I genuinely didn't have a clue, except that if I raised the numbers, KDE could run, but if I didn't, well, Xfce was also cool.
Mone might even had been a Cyrix too. Honestly I struggle to remember. My dad bought straight Intels and I bought the clones (cheaper) I can't remember which one I first started on, but both got it eventually.
Debian will not run on Pentium anymore. It is not performance, it is compiler options. You need a i686 (Pentium Pro). This means none of the Debian derivatives will either.
Adelie, Arch32, and T2 all still run on Pentium though I believe.
[edit: sorry, I saw Pentium 75 from the comment above - Celeron M should be fine]
Ran Ubuntu 8 with Compiz and integrated graphics on a Pentium 4 with 512MB RAM. It was an awful machine, but Linux made it great to use. I still miss the peak of GTK2 + Emerald.
That's strange, what distro are you running on this hardware? VLC has been around for a long time, so while older hardware might not support versions of it that support newer codecs, I'd imagine it should be able to do at least some video playbook on older versions of VLC.
I suspect my first Linux ran on an 80mhz AMD K6. I did however also run it on a retired dual core UltraSPARC some years later I had somehow gotten my hands on. It might have been faster, but at that time it sure felt slow. And it sounded like a train passing through when it was on. In retrospect installing Gentoo on it was an optimistic endeavour.
I remember when computers had no memory and the storage was on punch cards made from mammoth leather that we had to tan ourselves after spending our weekends hunting the mammoth with spears. Also we carved our code by hand on stone tablets. Young people these days have it easy.
My 2011 MacBook pro is still chugging along thanks to Linux.
I upgraded 4GB RAM to 16GB, upgraded the HDD to SSD, and replaced the CD drive with a second SSD. Sadly the screen is almost completely gone, occasionally intermittent, probably a cable gone bad, not sure, but the mini display port is working fine for an external monitor.
I have Linux on a 2009 and 2012 MacBook Pro and 2013 and 2017 MacBook Airs.
The 2009 is getting a bit sluggish but for regular stuff, they all work great. We even played a Steam game on the 2012 earlier today (not AAA obviously).
I have been operating a DNS-232 NAS with 32 MB RAM and ARM CPU with lighty webserver for a while. It could run MoinMoinWiki, written in Python 2, acceptably. Slowest thing I have tried to work on was a 386. But this one was slow - compiling the kernel took an eternity.
You would be surprised. If you stay text only and use a 32 bit distro, it would run up to date versions of most CLI programs.
Adelie and Arch32 still support Pentium.
Booting to a GUI, there are still a few options. I think Velox would run on that. I bet Xorg with FVWM would too. You are not going to have much left for apps though. However, you could run a couple of terminals.
Adelie Linux (totally modern Linux distro) lists 64 MB as the minimum server memory requirement.
I ran Damn Small Linux on it about 15 years ago. That worked pretty well and it would even run a web browser. It would probably boot Tiny Core Linux, but there wouldn't be much RAM left to run any programs. The motherboard supports 128MB, but it's not really worth the cost to upgrade it though.
I may see about resurrecting that computer. I've got an old Motorola police radio that I would like to reprogram to operate in the 2M ham band and I think that PC will run the programming software.
I rushed to the comments when I saw a 1.6ghz CPU being called low end but I see OPs already been dealt with. I remember the first ever 1ghz CPU being an overclocked nitrogen cooled AMD Athlon. Me and my mates were all talking about it when it happened.
But why would a 1.6 ghz, single core CPU not be low end in 2025? Perfomance itself is very sluggish, and it has only been able to do very simple offline tasks for now. Yeah, yeah, many people used to run 512mb ram and 500mhz cpu setups.. But that was in 2000 and whatever.
The post title says "ever" rather than "2025". It's cool for 2025 and we may get some interesting others, but many here will have ran it on something slower at some point.
Yes, the title say lowest I ever ran That was the lowest for me, I really don't get the confusion. And even then, a celeron m 380 was lower end even for it's own time
But why would a 1.6 ghz, single core CPU not be low end in 2025? Perfomance itself is very sluggish, and it has only been able to do very simple offline tasks for now. Yeah, yeah, many people used to run 512mb ram and 500mhz cpu setups.. But that was in 2000 and whatever.
Are you using systemd? Because 317 MB of RAM is really low for a normal Debian installation with XFce. At my mom's 2 GB ram laptop, it uses 850 MB on a cold boot.
It's not that bad. I run Linux on a Raspberry Pi Zero 2W, which is much weaker than this. (It's not a competition, though. Just saying.) And that's also a pretty standard device. I'm kinda interested to see if anyone can go below 64M RAM with a modern installation.
May I ask what are the specs and size of those Thinkcentres? I have one I'm using as a server and planning to upgrade the CPU because it has a dual core one, and someone offered me the same one I have, but it's pretty big. I'd prefer to use the tiny models when I can buy some 😁
separate cheap newer N100 cpu node for jellyfin, other encoding
Intel NUC NUC8i5BEHS for k3s control plane, little more expensive but reliable.
i usually replace Thinkcentre fans w noctua for power draw, performance, and noise. and remove wifi module, not needed, draws power, closed blob firmware, is a risk. pops out easy, no config changes needed in Debian.
I've got an Acer Aspire from 2008 running mint on an Intel Atom and 1 GB memory (might be 2, I forget). It is slow but very usable except for video and such.
I ran it on an original Raspberry Pi B which has the same RAM and a slower CPU than the original Zero! It was still in use as a Pi-hole (running the DietPi OS) until recently where it seems to be dying or not keeping up.
No problem! I've used it for years, though my home assistant running on a Raspberry Pi 4 is now doing the pi-hole thing with adguard instead as the original one was having issues. Though you get weird DNS quirks when the machine running DNS also relies on the internet.
Plus that time I did a dumb thing in home assistant to see what would happen, and it brought the internet down.
So I am keen to get another Pi. I highly recommend keeping it on a dedicated device you never touch except for updates!
Those are better specs than what I used throughout college (an Asus Eee PC running Debian with Xfce and Openbox). Not a powerful machine, but I absolutely loved that thing.
I got you beat with my HP Mini running a 32-bit Intel Atom N270 that I use to develop games for the open source physiotherapy gamification device I made for my kid when I'm on the train.
Don't want to carry my full-size gaming laptop to work just to do some light lua coding.
Edit: im exagerating but I really have 20-yr 32-bit Dell laptops running minimal debian linux. and my current laptop is 10+ yrs old Lenovo which I already replaced its screen, rams, keyboard, bluetooth, usb ports... and it's still working flawlessly for daily tasks, video/music editing, coding and programming, internet browsing 😁
I booted Buildroot with kernel 5.17 on a Pentium II laptop off a CD I burned once - I needed to dump a drive once and that was the only hardware I had on hand that could dump 2.5” IDE drives and had a working CD drive so I could boot something other than the operating system installed on the drive.
I’m pretty certain the first computer I installed Linux on was a Pentium 75 with 4MB of RAM. I know I ran it on some 486s booting off floppys at work. We were at 10,000 feet and couldn’t trust the lifespan of spinning rust.
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Up 'til 2022 or 2023 company I work for used Pentium 4 at POS PCs running ancient openSUSE. They would be still in service if it weren't for leaking/swollen caps on most motherboards. Pure power wasn't really there, but it was plenty enough to run that checkout software...
I had slackware on my 386DX 40. 4mb ram. It was kinda short-lived. I never got my modem working. I got a book, paged thought it. Learning shit was hard in the 90's Internet.
Similar story but I just installed slackware on one of the University PCs (they just had a handful of PCs in the general computer room for the students and nobody actually watched over us) since I did not have a PC yet (only had a ZX Spectrum at the timback then).
Trying to get X-Windows to work in Slackware was interesting, to say the least: back then you had to manually create your own video timings configuration file to get the graphics to work - which means defining the video mode at the very low level, such as configuring the number of video clock cycles between end-of-line-drawing and horizontal-retrace - and fortunatelly I didn't actually blow up any monitor (which was possible if you did the configuration wrong).
At least we had some access to the Internet (most things were blocked but we had Usenet and e-email and one could use FTPmail gateways to download stuff from remote servers) via Ethernet, so that part was easy.
Anyways, my first reaction looking at the OP's post was like: yeah, if they're running X it's probably a too powerfull machine.
My favorite part of the first configuration of x back then, you screw with the conf for ages, manage to get a viable video mode set, startx for the billionth time... gray screen, mouse cursor... Overflowingly happy... Wait, now what? No program manager, no apps, no terminal, No exit, no shutdown. What's a window manager? The least apparent thing in the world being to switch consoles , export a display variable, and start an xtern in the video console.
Yeah, but at least we knew how to switch consoles.
I bet that most Linux users nowadays don't event know the CTRL+ALT+Fx shortcuts to switch console.
Can't say that the old days were really "good" compared to what we had now, but there was definitelly a lot of satisfaction in step by step getting the system to work.
Oh God no, You're 100% correct on all that. We were living through endorphins and we now have something in between nostalgia and Stockholm syndrome for the old days.
I got my modem working in Slackware in 1997 - but the PPP driver (equivalent of WinSock - which worked in Windows quite well at the time) would only work during the first boot of the system. After a reboot, PPP would never return, and the best I got out of the internet about it at the time (mostly using my Windows PC) was "real men connect to the internet through ethernet."
Between that an the useless (unless you enjoy frustration) sound drivers, I declared Linux "not ready for prime time," and left it to others until starting back in via Cygwin in 2003, then Gentoo (for 64 bit access you couldn't get any other way) in 2005.
Yeah I did another couple of false starts over the next couple of years. This time at different jobs. I finally made friends with Redhat on a laptop with Enlightenment WM. I managed to stay Linux in the desktop for the next 14 years. KDE, Gnome , switch to Ubuntu when Red hat decided to go and split out the door, went back to Fedora when Cannocial had their bad boy phase. OSX lured me away and 2015 I think it was. Super disappointed with the level of control I had over the OS, I went back to Windows for WSL. Continued* on that until Debian got their shit back together (nonfree). Eventually slid into NixOS, I don't know if it's as painful as slack where I was but it certainly feels like it, and I kind of missed that.
I did OS-X for my MacBookPro daily driver 2006-2008 (said premium laptop dying because of mis-applied thermal paste by the factory) - and started using a bit of Debian and RedHat at the time... my observation was, and still is: they all suck, but in different ways. If you value stability and control, there's no comparison to the open source model. Windows used to have the edge for hardware support, but that has eroded to the point that we had selected a WiFi card for our Linux system this year, but we're having to change now that we're moving to Win11 - no Windows drivers for that M.2 WiFi/BT card.
Stories from the "good" old days running Linux on a 386 machine with 4 MB or less of memory aside, in the present day it's still perfectly normal to run Linux on a much weaker machine as a server - you can just rent a the cheapest VPS you can find (which nowadays will have 128 MB, maybe 256MB, and definitelly only give you a single core) and install it there.
Of course, it won't be something with X-Windows or Wayland, much less stuff like LibreOffice.
I think the server distribution of Ubunto might fit such a VPS, though there are server-specific Linux distros that will for sure fit and if everything fails TinyCore Linux will fit in a potato.
I current have a server like that using AlmaLinux on a VPS with less than 1GB in memory, which is used only as a Git repository and that machine is overkill for it (it's the lowest end VPS with enough storage space for a Git repository big enough for the projects I'm working on, so judging by the server management interface and linux meminfo, that machine's CPU power and memory are in practice far more than needed).
If you're willing to live with a command line interface, you can run Linux on $50 worth of hardware.
Those Tualatin core CPUs were absolutely fantastic. They doubled them and made the Core2. I had one running for 10+ years. I don't know what it was about the bios but it was the fastest boot PC I ever built.
I have a 2001 compaq n600 still being used from time to time as a gateway for old tech as it has COM as well as LPT and analog video outs. It has 1.2ghz celeron, 512mb ram, 30 gig drive. Thing is kind of a beast for its time as my own desktop at that time was nowhere close to its spects. Thing was gifted to me after initially being given to install win7 on it. After telling the guy that this isnt going to happen and the best they couldd hope for is winxp and even then it'd struggle, they told me "oh, so linux is the only option then... well, it doesnt work for me. Have it, then, have fun with it!". I put ubuntu on it, but still gnome ground the poor cpu to a halt, so I had to switch to Xfce. Luckily it turned good enough not to downgrade further to things like bare X or Kolibri OS. Worked as a solitaire machine for my dad for a few years, helped me fix and set up stuff on a few occasions, but nowadays mostly collecting dust in my drawer.
I remember back in the day when I downloaded the first divx file my K6-400 couldn't smoothly play... I had been so used to thinking of that as a powerhouse coming from my Pentium 60, which was the first one I ran Linux on.
Pretty sure my dad's secondary desktop I used for my first Linux install had a 1.2 GHz Duron or something and 512 MB. I'm pretty sure I got that funky compiz fusion 3D-cube desktop running on there 😅
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I take everything pretty much everyone says with a grain of salt, I am just amused by the fact that he turned what was obviously a barbed and leading question meant to - as he said - distort the truth back on the reporter and pointed out the fallacies in the assumptions she was trying to smuggle into the conversation with it.
Israel has stated that if Iran doesn’t stop defending itself, Tehran will burn. Is that what they meant? Iran’s nuclear-armed allies need to offer a nuclear umbrella to ensure this stays a fair fight. If they do, Israel’s reign of terror is over. If they don’t, this world is about to get fucking terrifying.
I think "defense" minister Israel Katz is the one who said Tehran will burn. Regardless, I can't see this as anything other than Israel promising they'll commit a second genocide. Fully backed by the USA, of course.
The US Empire needs far-right states to serve as footholds, it can't just rely on aircraft carriers to project hard power. Israel is a land-based aircraft carrier. Now, I agree with Yogthos, the Empire has weakened its industrial capacity and genuinely is a paper tiger, it can be flashy for a quick period but lacks the necessary industry to pivot to a wartime economy necessary for protracted war.
France, the US, and the UK have all reportedly been found defending "Israel" from Iranian missiles and drones, they are already involved. It seems like this very well could escalate.
Because Iran is getting baited into a war, one that they possibly can’t win, meanwhile attention is getting shifted away from Gaza. If this does turn into a full blown war it and Iran really does have the capability to stop oil production in the Middle East we are heading for a major economic crisis all around the world and possibly more escalation. Not to mention Isreal seems to be doing a lot more damage to Iran than Iran is doing to Isreal. Either way the situation is bad for every one.
Well it’s going to lead to something crazy happening if this keeps escalating. There is no winner if this war starts and all attention will be shifted away from Palestine.
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Hi lemmy So i was curious why Enlightenment didn't recieve much adoption in the Linux Desktop. (especially for a fully featured lightweight wayland DE) Ik Bodhi Linux uses Enlightenment, but it's more of Moksha rather then using Enlightenment
Cause - Lighter then LXQT - Somewhat customizable
But I can see people not liking it cause.
the ui(especially for windows users)
Hard to find themes due to it using its own toolkit
I mean, to my knowledge, it's still Rasterman keeping most of the development together. You don't need a ton of adoption when one guy tirelessly works on it.
Although I'm guessing Samsung probably sponsors him, so that's probably quite crucial for him to be able to put that much time into it.
I suspect it just isn't well known. I used it for a while in my early days in Linux, which was back in the late 1990's, and i honestly haven't heard much abiut it over the years.
I do remember being impressed at the time. I think most people stick with the defaults for whatever distro they first choose. Since i was using Slackware back then, there was not a default choice, so i searched and experimented.
Enlightenment has been around for decades, and it was quite a bit more popular in its early days because things like KDE/Gnome/etc weren't the de facto DEs pretty much everyone used like they are now. I used it back when I had a linux box like 25 years ago and it was great, it was very slick and pretty, but now so much is written for KDE/Gnome that it feels like using anything else is just asking for trouble.
Just look at Tizan from Samsung all built on EFL (enlightenment foundation libs), EFL does not have many bindings with other languages and it’s “100% written in C”. The enlightenment OS is super customizable and written in its own component library based on OpenGL they call EGL. It’s a fantastic WM and hopefully Wayland version gets better.
It serves a very specific purpose for very particular people. It's meant to be as minimal as possible, and highly configurable, which means less rich interaction pieces and opinionated design decisions. Lots of developers still use it though.
Based on what I've seen, for a DE to gain much traction, you need at least one well-known medium-large distro putting it as a default on some of their install media—MATE is well-represented these days because Mint backed it at a crucial stage in its development. I don't think Enlightenment ever had that.
Enlightenment is SO configurable that it almost doesn't have a look, and therefore doesn't really have "brand' per se. Take a look at galleries and collections of enlightenment setups: they're all massively different in look and behaviour.
I remember in my early days of Linux (late 90s) it was too much for me.
I was lured to use it during those days as well because of all the cool and wildly different screenshots I had seen. I did manage to get it working and looking super cool, but it was fragile and complex. It was so easy to fully break it in my experience. I tried to use it again about 8-10 years ago and while it was easier than the 90s, it was more trouble than I was willing to put up with for a DE these days. Especially since Gnome (with extension) and KDE could trivially look nice.
When it was first developed it was too heavyweight and too customisable. The effort needed to theme it was huge and a lot of the popular themes were poor from a UX point of view.
Still E16 was usable, and then the development of E17 started about 24 years ago. People are still on E16 you say?
Others have pointed to the very slow development pace. I'll point out something else. When I was first starting out with desktop, Linux enlightenment 16 was one of the desktop options but apart from looking very 'different' to KDE or Gnome, it was damn difficult to get it to look anything other than default. Other desktop managers came on in leaps and bounds but enlightenment just stayed where it was and from what I can tell still is where it was. Meantime, kde and gnome have had multiple major versions and forks. These days I use either xfce or cinnamon, depending on whether hardware acceleration is available. Fundamentally I want my desktop environment to be a launcher for my applications and a way to manage my peripherals and UI preferences. I don't want to be looking at it or dealing with it or spending time thinking about it. I suspect that enough other people feel the same way
I tried it a few years ago. I was really impressed by how lightweight and gorgeous it is. In particular, I found it really cool and actually useful that you got a live view of your other workspaces on your panel. You could even fullscreen a video on your other workspace and then watch (a very small version of) it in your panel.
But yeah, even though I came back to it multiple times, I never ended up sticking around. It would crash regularly (not the worst thing, since recovery was generally seamless, but still meh), but in particular, it had some peculiar design decisions.
For example, if you double-click a window titlebar in virtually any window manager, it will maximize. In Enlightenment, I believe it got shaded (i.e. the contents of the window got hidden and only the titlebar was still visible).
Another prominent one was that its applet for connecting to WiFi and such didn't support NetworkManager, but rather only ConnMan. If you've never heard of ConnMan, yeah, I only know it from Enlightenment, too. Similarly, my distro (openSUSE) didn't package it either (and openSUSE was said to offer a relatively good Enlightenment experience). That's something which should just work, because you can't expect people to look up how they can connect to WiFi while they can't reach the internet.
And yeah, these are just the big ones that stuck in my head. There were lots of smaller usability issues, too. Many things you could fix by changing the configuration, but we're talking many in an absolute sense, too, i.e. you might spend an hour or more just tweaking things so that they behaved like you might expect.
I was really impressed by how lightweight and gorgeous it is.
Maybe a controversial opinion here, but the one thing that everyone says about it is that it looks gorgeous, and I really don't see it. Never have.
Even back when I first tried it out, maybe 15 years ago, I thought it looked strangely retro. Nowadays, compared to the eye candy that is completely standard in GNOME, KDE, MacOS, Windows etc., it looks incredibly dated.
It's all hard edges, low res icons, ugly fonts, and eccentric design choices. Yeah, it can make window elements transparent, but you can't dine out on that one trick for ever.
I certainly think that it has many eccentric design choices. It's not going to be for everyone. Some parts of it, I also think just look bad, which I had to customize. Well, and openSUSE's theming made a big difference, too: simotek.net/tech/projects/open…
"Retro" is also definitely a word I would use, though more positively connoted. It has *different* eye candy to the usual desktop designs, which is a big part of the charm. In a sea of flat designs and tiling window managers, it stands out as its own thing.
pip? Gnome extension for that is pretty great, works like the browser pip but for any window, justa video you can't click on, but useful for stremio and other stuff you need a preview of, still high quality
Well, that was just kind of one example to illustrate that it isn't just a static screenshot, you actually see what's going on in real-time. It's also useful when you're running a longer operation, like OS updates or encoding a video, and want to see when it's done or that it hasn't failed. You can just tell when the command output has stopped moving or a popup has appeared...
I vastly prefer connman/iwd, always had weird issues with NM. Currently running connman-gtk on XFCE.
And tweaking to your needs, isn't that expected for a new desktop setup? One hour isn't even that much. I'm amazed again and again how stuck even technical people can be in their habits.
Well, it didn't feel like I'm tweaking to my needs (that came afterwards on top), it rather felt like I'm just undoing design decisions that someone made to cater to their specific needs.
And I named the time mainly to give an idea of how much there was to tweak. My main problems were: - That I could not undo some of those unusual design decisions. - That it doesn't exactly make the system more robust when you need lots of non-default settings.
If you've never heard of ConnMan, yeah, I only know it from Enlightenment, too.
I used it for a while trying to wean myself off NetworkManager, which has a lot of optional dependencies that distributions tend to link in. So, you don't want Gnome on your system, but you want NM? Too bad, you got Gnome.
Anyway, connman is pretty fussy and not very intuitive. I think it's better for systems that are always on the same network; it's a pain to travel and connect to open networks with.
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My bet is that this happened because they do develop both the Enlightenment desktop and the E libraries, which is a tremendous amount of work. Add to that that if they are a small team, they're not going to go relatively fast (afaik E17 took years...). Maybe it was the reason GNOME/GTK(+) and KDE (which began with an already developed GUI library) caught up.
But as I always say in this kind of posts, both Enlightenment and E are amazing and I so wish they were more rich featured and popular and, if I were the XFCE mouse and got fed up with the bullshit of the GNOME-ization/libadwaita-zion of GTK, I'd consider porting all my shit to E - it would be awesome if those two merged into one. GTK and E are both written in C, XFCE has a robust set of apps and a seemingly bigger team behind it...
I used it when I used arch linux on a PC with 4GB RAM and an HDD. Enlightenment loaded up in no time compared to even sway, looked pretty and had quite a few features like not terminating session if there are open apps and wallpapers per workspace! Its native apps like file manager and terminology were also extremely snappy. Using E apps felt like I had an NVME instead of HDD and I felt like I had a full desktop instead of a minimalistic WM without sacrificing speed. Switched away when I got a PC with good specs overall & a real NVME and iirc the desktop was crashing every now and then on the new PC. The default UI is very weird, you need to place most of the app icons by yourself and I think pressing Meta doesn't invoke the app launcher? Also I cannot start E with wayland currently, I could on v0.21.
As someone who loved it, this was it. We waited forever for the next release which promised a full desktop environment, it never happened, we moved on to stuff that actually existed. I understand there IS ongoing development and even forks, but i frankly have no idea how is it these days. If i found out you can just apt-get a full E-based DE tomorrow i would definitely consider dedicating time to test it, specially if it's still considered to be among the lightest, because man, when it was at it's best it was very much the promise of a Hollywood Hacker style desktop, it was awesome and you could do nearly everything on the keyboard, plus it had a gazillion themes.
I have used Enlightenment 16 for around ten years with episodes of fooling around others like blackbox, fluxbox, ratpoison, icewm, gnome and even KDE but always went back. I just loved that look I could get with that ripple effect at the bottom and gkrellm: my computer looked straight out of a science fiction movie.
Most of that time I was waiting for E17, it would be looking so good I was telling myself. It was taking so long but they were creating the foundations to something so powerful that the wait was well worth the wait I kept telling myself.
Then one I was finally able to try it, just a few components at an early stage, but it felt so crappy that I must have waited another five years before I gave another look at it. At that point it had improved but not nearly enough to consider it as a viable option.
My tastes changed too, I still like good looking but I value efficiency more so I have been using I3 for a long while. Yesterday I saw a video about a similar one hyprland, I might try it if I can resolve to switch to Wayland.
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Il Grand Tour delle Marche fa tappa a Castel d’Emilio, borgo medievale nel comune di Agugliano (AN), incastonato tra le colline della “Terra dei Castelli”. Qui, Enrico Friziero, imprenditore padovano, ha ricreato un angolo di Veneto con l’apertura di un Bacaro e di un albergo diffuso (Relais Castel d’Emilio), ridando vita al borgo.
Sabato 28 giugno il borgo si trasformerà simbolicamente nella Libera Repubblica di Castel d’Emilio, con un evento speciale dedicato a questa “enclave veneta” nelle Marche.
Il programma inizia alle 15.30 con una caccia al tesoro per le vie del borgo dal titolo L’isola fantasma di Venezia. Alle 18.00, in piazza, Cesare Catà metterà in scena lo spettacolo La Geniale Cortigiana, con Pamela Olivieri (recitazione) e Fabio Capponi (musiche). Si racconterà la vita di Veronica Franco, cortigiana-poetessa veneziana del '500, figura simbolo di cultura e ribellione.
Alle 21.30 gran finale con il concerto di Gazebo, icona della Italo disco anni ’80, autore di successi che hanno venduto oltre 12 milioni di dischi.
Durante la giornata, al Bacaro Busèto e Bottòn, si potranno assaporare specialità venete come folpi, sarde in saor, cicheti, spritz leggendari e vini, con incursioni gastronomiche anche nelle Marche.
Ad arricchire l’atmosfera, figuranti in maschere veneziane del ‘700. Tutti gli spettacoli sono gratuiti. Sarà presente anche una delegazione di Emergency, a cui destinare donazioni libere.
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Ecco stamattina un nuovo rapporto sullo stato delle cose del mio mondo scombinato, concentrato su un ennesimo dettaglio che nessuno ha chiesto ma che tutti meritano di conoscere… anche perché è sempre bene rimarcare accuratamente i miei territori (la mia cameretta e il mio blog): un fazzoletto che è rimasto sulla mia scrivania, dopo aver […]
fazzoletto scancanato tra sporcizia e disordine!!!
Ecco stamattina un nuovo rapporto sullo stato delle cose del mio mondo scombinato, concentrato su un ennesimo dettaglio che nessuno ha chiesto ma che tutti meritano di conoscere… anche perché è sempre bene rimarcare accuratamente i miei territori (la mia cameretta e il mio blog): un fazzoletto che è rimasto sulla mia scrivania, dopo aver visto più di qualche giorno di utilizzo, ed è decisamente mutato dal suo stato originale (no shit Sherlock!). Questo improprio pezzo di arredamento, che funge ovviamente anche (perché ridotto in questo modo è più così che non il contrario) da strumento di sollievo contro la mia allergia (che a metà giugno ancora imperversa, non ci voglio veramente credere), è decisamente rustico, umile, essenziale, ma comunque speciale. In qualche modo, a furia di soffiarmici il naso tra la decina e la ventina di volte in totale, è passato ad essere un groviglio di fottuti brandelli, e per qualche motivo la cosa mi fa molto ridere. Ma ora… lo butterò o aspetterò che si distrugga completamente…?
It only works with the first command in the recorded history, not with any sub shells or chained commands.
\#!/usr/bin/env bash
# 1. history and $HISTFILE do not work in scripts. Therefore cat with a direct
# path is needed.
# 2. awk gets the first part of the command name.
# 3. List is then sorted and duplicate entries are removed.
# 4. type -P will expand command names to paths, similar to which. But it will
# also expand aliases and functions.
# 5. Final output is then sorted again.
type -P $(cat ~/.bash_history | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq) | sort
After reading a blog post, I had this script in mind to see if its possible. This is just for fun and I don't have an actual use for it. Maybe some parts of it might inspire you to do something too. So have fun.
Edit 1:
After some suggestions from the comments, here is a little shorter version. sort | uniq can be replaced by sort -u, as the output of them should be identical in this case (in certain circumstances they can have different effect!). Also someone pointed out my useless cat, as the file can be used directly with awk. And for good reason. 😁 Enjoy, and thanks for all.
They are not exactly the same. I always default to piping it, because I never remember which to use when. And had to lookup again to make sure I was not hallucinating: unix.stackexchange.com/questio…
I'm actually not sure what you mean by that. This script will only list the programs you used in the terminal. It prints the fullpath of each command. That's all it does.
Do you want know if a program is currently running?
PS I hate to be the UUOC person. I’m sure you’re already aware and it was a deliberate choice.
I wish it was. I honestly forgot. yeah, shame on me. 😁 Before this, at the position of cat there was actually a different command, which I replaced with this. And I didn't think of adding the file to awk instead. I'll update the line with this suggestion and a suggestion from someone else.
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Bon Iver è il secondo album in studio della band indie folk americana Bon Iver, pubblicato il 17 giugno 2011. L'album è composto da 10 canzoni ed è stato visto come una nuova direzione musicale per la band. L'album ha avuto un successo commerciale, debuttando al primo posto nella classifica degli album norvegesi e nella classifica degli album danesi e al secondo posto nella classifica Billboard 200 degli Stati Uniti. Ha venduto 104.000 copie nella sua prima settimana negli Stati Uniti. A settembre 2016, l'album ha venduto un totale di 629.000 copie negli Stati Uniti. Ha ricevuto ampi consensi dalla critica, alcuni dei quali lo hanno nominato uno dei migliori album del 2011. L'album ha vinto il Grammy Award per il miglior album di musica alternativa alla cerimonia del 2012 , mentre la canzone “Holocene ” è stata nominata per canzone dell'anno e disco dell'anno.
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I decided since I don't understand how all of this works, I will just simply ask Jerry personally about all of this data and technical details, so that people will no longer be confused about all of this.
The storage and processing power of modern smartphones are touted to rival those of a typical laptop. Yet, my trash-picked testing system from over a decade ago with a bottom-of-the-barrel SATA SSD can still boot to the Linux desktop faster than all but one of my Android devices.
Understandably, this isn't a huge priority since very few people are cold booting their phones every morning. But is it just plain unoptimized? How hard would it be to optimize? Do security features and checks bog it down? Is it that there's many tiny files to load when booting? What gives?
You're right, if you compare it to to ChromeOS/ FydeOS boot time it's embarrassing. And it's quite strange indeed. I also wondered why hibernation has never been implemented as an option (I guess blackberry used to have it instead). Also startup applications are something the user should be able to have control upon (android let you control it at the beginning, maybe till android 4, than you couldn't decide anymore, Xiaomi continued to offer that option for a while, then they stopped too).
Let's say android is like that, take it or leave, they could make the main OS boot, let you enter, and then boot extra background apps with a delay.
Unfortunately android is made for companies and their annoying notifications/ads , not for the user
I don't know if anyone has any real information but I'd think Iran would be shooting air bases and such. Targets that hurt Israel's ability to hurt Iran. Israel's command probably cares less about a residential building (full of people or empty) than a hangar with F35s.
Iran has spent decades building an arsenal of cheap drones that aren't really designed to hit targets, they are designed to financially cripple Israel by expending expensive iron dome charges.
And the numbers are staggering. I forget exactly but those early retaliations for assassination last year that where laughed at expended something like 100s of millions of dollars.
From I've seen they certainly used that initially with mostly older, cheaper, and slower drones in the initial waves intentionally to bleed out the iron dome but have been changing their strategy as the "Iron Dome" is weakened and/or gaps are discovered.
With each wave they adjust their strategy. Interspersing more Hypersonics and layering the drones in different patterns/locations to more readily distract/avoid the iron dome.
From estimated ratios of 9 impacts out of/150 launched in the first few waves vs 9/50 in the more recent waves.
Though obviously Israel hides the damage/strikes through media blackouts on military sites so we can't know for sure how accurate these estimates are and we mainly only get reporting on impacts in Tel-Aviv or other militarized "civilian" zones.
Oh for sure, I'm just saying they don't even need to hit any targets and they'd still be winning long term. They are capable of much more, and Israel can't fight Iran without US.
Satanyahu is betting on forcing Trump to agree to war with Iran on his watch. Avoiding that is thankfully one of Trump's main priorities, hopefully they don't succeed in changing his calculus on it.
And they aren't able to and won't be able to maintain media blackout much longer, Iran has stated that they will keep going and will go harder, and we've already seen some seriously damaged neighborhoods. As long as Iran keeps it reasonable (and what is reasonable has changed tremendously in the last two years of genocide and western media going hard to defend and justify Israeli war crimes), I think Trump can tolerate way more destruction of Tel Aviv than netanyahu thought he would.
Iran are definitely targeting air bases and other militarized targets which are regions Israel has a media blackout on so we don't hear about them as much and only hear about impacts in Tel-Aviv which is a militarized "civilian" zone (human shields was always projection of their own policies).
I think the difference in speed in the video is just perspective + distance, plust Iran has many different types of balistic missiles. I mean, technically speaking many balistic missiles do go at hypersonic speeds, but that's not what people mean when they say hypersonic missile, they refer to missiles that fly very low at hypersonic speed and can maneuver before hitting their target. You can clearly see the balistic trajectory of these missiles.
I'm no expert, but usually when missiles "go ballistic" their engines turn off and they have limited maneuvering capability at the end of their flight.
This one looks like it had engines on all the way to the target, which is a fairly newer class of design.
I mean I'm no expert either but you can see this characteristic burning on most ICBM videos, it's just the reentry vehicle reaching insane temperatures.
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According to the people who posted it, it is from today. It is certainly not the same barrage as we saw Friday, but it could be another barrage which was on Friday. Nothing is entirely certain right now, but I think it is from today.
Perhaps you have missed the part where Israeli citizens have been openly saying that we need to wipe Iran, Palestine and multiple other countries off from the world map. They want genocide; they will get some retaliation from who they are attacking. FAFO
Perhaps you have missed the part where Israeli citizens have been openly saying that we need to wipe Iran, Palestine and multiple other countries off from the world map.
Not like Iranian and Palestinian people haven't said anything similar. This issue is not black and white. There's a hundred of different shades of piss and shit. Everyone is right from their standpoint and everyone is wrong from other's standpoint.
If they don't want to live with the consequence of being in one of the most contested places on earth, they can always leave.
It's way easier for Israelis to relocate because of how much money they have. They just choose not to and deserve all of the consequences that go along with that.
Israel isn't justified for anything. War is never justified, the political leaders are on their couches watching tvs playing with the lives of their people
Zionist "civillians" dont need to die because of the actions of their government, they need to die because they overwhelmingly support the actions of said government
Imagine 20+ months of this without bomb shelters with minimum to no food and with constant shelling and moving. Israel has made bombings and terrorism become normal for people in yemen, lebanon, syria and Iraq. Israel has made the lives of millions unsafe in the middleeast.
Germany, UK you created Israel government and the US enabled its colonization and genocide since day 1. Europe should take them back or stop them.
In 2025, the humans of the world nations still compete in every scientific advancement known to mankind, and mine every precious and rare material source, and employ every advancement and investment in programming, AI, engineering and design on the planet for intimidation and colonization launching metals into each other bodies, polluting and destroying the planet climate and resources, spreading pain and murder to each other for selfish gain. Now those maniacs are threatening with nuclear missiles. People who do everything in their power and utilize everything in the possession to bring humanity and the world down.
All because they want few Zionists to rule in aparthied and colonization and not give democracy to whom they see as inferior races of other humans instead of working and lifting each other. The world nations should stop this instead of heading toward WWIII as if humans cant learn history.
The world nations should stop this instead of heading toward WWIII as if humans cant learn history.
That's the most telling thing furute generations will look back upon this politicians that enabled such violence just to make some extra buck or a favor? Q
It’s wild hearing Americans who went on a 20 year genocidal way because they were attacked at home, cheering on others being attacked at home. Your government fucked by country and people, do I get to blow up your family and be cheered?
Edit: never has my indigenous, brown ass received so many DMs with hate, bigotry, and rants about genocide and colonialism from white kids than this year. Without a hint of irony, American hypocrites are trying to lead a movement against war, genocide, racism and colonialism. While you profit from and continue your own atrocities Americans need to get in the back of the line, they are toxic to the movement
Americans are blood thirsty war hawks. You guys LOVE the idea of bombing someone you don’t like. Even the American left is like this now. So long as it’s not your country being bombed and getting their just desserts for al their genocide, you love war. But anyone attacks you guys for your centuries of atrocities and suddenly it’s WAR WAR WAR
You seem to not be aware that Israel is another settler-colonial project, based on indigenous eviction and genocide, just like the US, Canada, Australia, etc.
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I didn't go on shit and I don't support US imperialist actions.
1) We were attacked at home because of previous imperialist actions, and we would have continued said imperialism whether attacked or not, that was a convenient excuse.
2) I would understand people cheering and I would direct my anger to the people who caused the retaliation to happen, my own government.
why are you defending America destroying your country and Israel doing the same/trying to do the same to other countries though? This make no sense.
I agree with all of it i just think you Americans need to get out of the way and stop trying to lead the charge, because you guys are toxic and taint the movement with your hypocrisy and extremist attitudes.
You al benefit from your country’s imperialism but you all dodge responsibility and say it wasnt you
I'm willing to be one counterexample in the sea. I am absolutely benefiting from both past American imperialism and the current sales of arms that keeps allowing more atrocities. I used to feel guilt about it, but that didn't solve anything; neither did staying silent. If all the other loud, noisy, opinionated people in my country can't keep their mouths shut, I view it as a minor responsibility to at least make them use critical thinking (if possible). I'm saving your comment to show people irl. Hope you stay safe.
You know, the reason we have sympathy for Palestinian civilians is because they're not responsible for the actions of Hamas on Oct 7, even if many of them were brainwashed to be happy about the massacre. Please apply the same logic to sympathizing with civilians who are not responsible for Likud's actions, a large proportion of whom have also been protesting against the party in the past year.
The current Israeli administration is ruthless and bloodthirsty and it's diminishing the should of it's people. That being said, I don't think any major power in the world, including China and Russia are sad to see Iran's nuclear program get set back.
We support Hamas, and we support its brave fight against the colonialism, we feel bad about them because we support the colonized against the colonizer, now gtfo
I am staunchly anti-colonization and support resistance against oppression. I also believe there are people who are innocent and who have no choice in where they're born or where their parents move them to, who generally go about life fairly normally with all the complexity (and tacit complicity) human life and circumstance brings--civilians. I do not support what Hamas did on Oct 7 and I certainly don't support what the IDF has done in Gaza over the last year or the ongoing settlement in the West Bank. You and I live on the same planet and I will love your right to life always, but I will not gtfo just because I disagree with unfettered self-righteous bloodlust.
For an instance nominally based on worker solidarity and elevating the proletariat, everyone sure is pretty quick to throw that out the window for tribalism and nationalism
Here's a fun fact, did you know that 65 other countries also have mandatory military service, including Iran? Being a class traitor by the law of the state doesn't make you not proletariat.
Abandoning massive chunks of workers based only on their place of birth or the bubble of propoganda they live in is the opposite of every reputable leftist ideology. If your empathy for the people crushed under the rubble of an apartment complex depends on the flag out front then just admit you're a frothing nationalist and stop pretending.
Yeah, mandatory military service, not mandatory baby killer service, No such thing as a settler comrade or a settler proletariat, a motherfucker who goes into Palestinian homes kills or kicks out the occupants and takes it as his deserves to get crushed by an airstrike.
Total population of Israel: 9.2 million Total IDF personnel (including reservists): 500k Total settler population: 700k Total Isreal police force: <30k
But sure, let's glass them all. Especially the 86% that have no active involvement with what's going on. You sound like a goddamn fool.
Edit: let me cut off the horseshit collective punishment argument before you make it: you're still cheering for your own class to be slaughtered
I'd be fine if the apartheid government willingly dissolved and created a new system where the genocide of Palestinian people wasn't the goal. A government that didn't attack it's neighbors on a whim.
This could be bloodless, but unfortunately the state will not allow that
Nobody expects the state to relinquish power without violence, but that doesn't mean it's OK to cheer clips of massive explosions within lethal range of civilian houses.
I have yet to see anyone share hard evidence that these are targeted at military areas, let alone actually hitting them. Just a bunch of equivocation about military reserves and public opinion polls. Isreal rightfully caught shit for their pager attack being too indiscriminate but an explosion clearing half a city block isn't?
I think you're forgetting differences in military capabilities.
Israel can be more selective in it's targets in Gaza, but they deliberately chose hospitals. Iran, the nation defending itself, has to send large missile barrages to try and break through the iron dome defense. Those will be less precise
I don't see how that makes a difference? Israel bombing civilians with precision doesn't make imprecise bombing of civilians more acceptable. Everyone ends up just as dead. It just makes it more palatable for people who value retribution above civilian lives.
To put it another way: if you want to hit a military target but can't do so without outsized collateral damage, you don't have ethical grounds to make the attack. You don't see people defending the USA's use of Agent Orange in Vietnam just because it was the only feasible way to clear foliage.
When did I say that? All I want is for all belligerents to be held to the same standard. Show me the evidence that these missiles are falling on targets with strategic importance; show me that they're making efforts to not waste human lives. It's clear that Israel's attacks are not and they're rightly called out for it. Why is Iran above the same scrutiny?
US was the invader during the Vietnam War so that's a bad example all around
Why is it a bad example? Does being the defender in a war make you immune to war crimes? It's indiscriminate killing of non combatants either way.
Here’s a fun fact, most Israelis—bourgeois and proletariat—approve of what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza.
These are fascists. If there’s anything to be learned from WWII, it’s that no one is more antifascist than communists.
If your empathy for the people crushed under the rubble of an apartment complex depends on the flag out front then just admit you’re a frothing nationalist and stop pretending.
Palestinians don’t have a nation. They’ve been under occupation by European settler-colonists for about 80 years.
As for Iran, it is an anti-imperialist state retaliating against an unprovoked attack by an imperialist state, which it has the right to do by UN law. Marxist-Leninists give Iran our critical support1 in the struggle against imperialist states, not to mention the struggle against genocide.
Critical support is supporting something while also being critical of its flaws. ↩︎
By invoking self-defense, Israel changes the conversation from its colonial crimes against the Palestinians to the injuries it has itself incurred as a result.
Holy fuck you don't even know what a nation is lmfao
If there’s anything to be learned from WWII, it’s that no one is more antifascist than communists.
If you knew anything about WW2, you'd know that strategic bombing of population centers was a futile effort that wasted lives. Allies and Axis both admitted it, and the Allies even stuck to day bombing to limit collateral damage.
I've been asking up and down this thread for any context on what these bombs hit, any evidence at all, and all I get is equivocation like yours.
Your "critical support" isn't very critical at all, it's pretty one dimensional. Isreal bombs a population center: bad. Iran bombs an Isreal population center: good. I've seen no depth beyond that.
Holy fuck you don’t even know what a nation is lmfao
I do, actually, but since you were the one talking about nations’ flags, I assumed that you didn’t know the difference between a nation and a state. Israeli Zionists clearly do know the difference, and they want an ethnically-cleaned, “Greater Israel” nation-state. Because they’re settler-colonialists; they’re fascists.
Allies even stuck to day bombing to limit collateral damage.
No, they did it in order to hit their targets, which were often cities. The US also dropped two atomic bombs on city centers with no warning at all.
Isreal bombs a population center: bad. Iran bombs an Isreal population center: good.
Obviously neither one is “good.” You’re putting words in my mouth.
Far from being a mere slogan, the phrase captures both the longtime ambitions of the Israeli right and the reality Israel has imposed on Palestine since 1967.
since you were the one talking about nations’ flags
A nation is not a nation state, and a population doesn't have to be a sovereign state to have a flag.
No, they did it in order to hit their targets, which were often cities.
Exactly, to limit collateral damage. Germany (and the RAF's night bombing, to be fair) also targeted cities with strategic war industries, they just cared more about their pilots' safety than civilian lives.
You’re putting words in my mouth.
I'm not at all, I'm pointing out the lack of criticism for clips like the one above. There's not even reserved judgment until we know what got hit and who died, just full throated support based only on the name of the city being bombed. I'm the only one here wanting evidence that these attacks are targeting anything of value and limiting non combatant deaths.
Remember when Israel was criticized for half-hearted pamphlet dropping to warn of barrages? All the scorn at Israel's reports of the use of human shields? The outrage over bombing population centers and refugee camps allegedly hiding rockets? Zionists saying Palestinians deserved bombing because they elected Hamas and had parties celebrating Oct 7 and X% of Palestines supported Y?
I'm seeing the exact same comments in reverse. Just read the comments on this post. But this time nobody bats an eye because the "right" people are dying.
Are you serious right now? Communism isn’t based on solidarity with settler-colonists who are genociding the people they locked into the Gaza prison-ghetto for a generation, for the crime of being indigenous. October 7th was a prison break, a Warsaw ghetto uprising.
These aren't people being tried for their crimes, not even people being picked out and put in front of a firing squad. This is an explosion in a city. You have no clue who might have been in that area any more than I do.
How many residents have fired a weapon against a Palestinian? 30% if you're being generous? That's about the same as the population of children.
You're OK with those odds? Or does your form of communism always cheer at indiscriminate death so long as some of the right people get caught in it? If X% of the population drinks the apartheid propoganda kool-aid it's open season? What's your number?
Idk, I think we should have sympathy for people being kill because of war at all times.
I don't know who lived in the place that was bombed there, but unless I have reason to believe that that person is somehow responsible for the genocide, why would I hate them?
Israel is obviously filled with genocidal people, and those who support genocide are not going to get my sympathy, but there are those who are actively fighting it even. So I do feel sympathy for innocent people dying because of genocidal governments and their need to bomb every living thing around them.
wasn't it about 82% of Israelis that supported the forced expulsion of Palestinians? I'm all for having sympathy for the innocent, just doesn't seem like there are that many innocents there.
Comment sections have been absolutely fucked since this started. I've seen some reports that these are hitting military targets but apparently I should be cheering about rockets landing a few dozen meters from this apartment?
I remember a video of an Israeli rocket hitting just outside a shop window in Yemen/Iran at a similar distance and people were balking that it could be hitting anything of strategic importance. Suddenly pictures of collapsed apartments and hospitals are fine because it's the guys you don't like?
Apparently it's a bad take for me to think civilians shouldn't be bombed regardless of how much Zionist brainwashing they have. People talking about "they deserve it" and pointing to Isreal opinion polls showing 60% support X awful thing. Last time I checked, a rocket doesn't take a survey before it explodes. So 4/10 people in that explosion deserve to die by association?
By all means, I'll take evidence that they've been hitting military targets. My issue is with people cheering videos like this lacking any of that evidence at all.
And no, having a bunker doesn't make a civilian population fair game. It's the same thing as crowding people into internment camps while you level their neighborhood.
Bunkers they refuse to let non Israelis use. I just watched a video of some Israelis roaches screaming slurs at Asians as they receded into their bunker. Refusing to share.
Where is that evidence? I'm not denying it, I'm asking for it and nobody provides it.
Edit: from what I can tell that F35 rumor started in 2024 as a meme mocking Israel's claims of apartments hiding Hezbollah weapons. Why would you stack up $100m planes in a place extremely hard to scramble them and perform maintenance?
Welcome to war, where human rights are optional and at the discretion of a select few. People will cheer for death like it's a gladitorial arena, while others act to mitigate as much suffering as possible. Still others will turn away in disgust and become recluse. No answer is correct; at least until the victor writes the history.
My only (personal) recouse is to focus on my impact at a community level, and hope that I get enough power, money, or influence to eventually do more.
What do you even do in a situation like this? You can't get to shelter in any reasonable amount of time and whether you're in the unit or on the balcony you're dead if your building is struck.
As far as I know, a large majority of Israelis support the whole liebensraum thing, and fucking up Iran (whose government are also a bunch of murderous shitbags, btw). We don't really know how many "Joe six-pack" iranians support this confrontation. Often, even people who are against a government will support warring against a perceived enemy, which is why so many leaders, when in trouble at home, start wars. See Putin, Bush, Netanyahu, maybe Trump next, and a looong list.
The issue with Monero is that it cannot scale to world adoption levels.
It is fine as a niche coin for certain use cases and I like it as well but I have migrated to BCH as it is the future.
The stress test a year ago showed Monero tops out ~700k TX per day and node problems started around 300-500k. This is likely a fundamental flaw and will not be able to go much beyond this TX volume unless there is a complete redesign/rewrite.
BCH has good privacy with CashFusion and in a couple of years it will have 100% private tokens, we will have Monero as a token on BCH. This is much better because we get full access to all exchanges that BCH is on plus world scale and supreme privacy.
For example, iOS has these features: - iCloud backup restore or peer-to-peer transfer, very early in the device setup process - Two ways for things to be stored in iCloud, each with a corresponding list of per-app (not per-folder) toggle switches in iCloud Settings - "Saved to iCloud" normal syncing - Requires apps to use the right APIs and to handle conflicting changes - Allows same data to be read and modified by multiple devices - iCloud backup - Available for all apps - Separate backup per device - Only downloaded when setting up a new device - In app sandboxes, only excludes tmp (Flatpak equivalent is somewhere in /run) and Library/Caches (equivalent to cache directory in Flatpak sandbox) by default - Allows apps to set isExcludedFromBackup attribute for specific files (useful for things that are easy to recreate via download but are expected by the user to not be automatically deleted) - Includes system configuration such as home screen layout - Backs up a list of installed apps without backing up their executables and assets - Synced list of previously installed apps, not separate per-device
I've had this idea a few times over the years, but I always get stuck at figuring out: what is it actually I want to happen? If I remove a local file, should it be removed from the backup too? If I edit a file, should the newer version replace the old in the backup, or be saved separately, or just the delta between the files? I could never decide what I wanted.
Not that I have it all figured out, but it sounds like it would help to decouple backup from sync. I have syncthing keep a two-way sync, including deletes, but have syncthing's trash as a "backup" (items deleted after n-days) on each device in case I accidentally delete something. Then I have a nightly, encrypted backups with versions stored offsite (eg borg) which is only meant to be used if there's major failure like a flood or fire. HDD failure is covered by RAID10 NAS. Somewhere in there I have or need a data integrity/hash check, but at least it's a start.
you want a solution for your computer? or for your phone?
if it's for your phone and it is still iOS then no, the Apple Ecosystem is closed, there are some reverse engineered offers but they tend to be patched out or not be reliable.
Support for both iOS and GNU + Linux is a noteworthy convenient feature of a syncing system, but I'm more focused on what's currently available on GNU + Linux, which probably needs to be built upon to replicate Apple's level of quality.
Essentially, I use tar for backup, NFS / Samba for local file sharing, and git for syncing. (For specific cases, software like Zim wiki that stores to a git backend).
And it is not that I have not tried alternative solutions - for example, I tried the Coda file system. But blending version-controlled syncing and file distribution leads to devilishly complex corner cases and failure modes.
I feel like this, combined with an immutable distro and copy-on-write fs like zfs could make a really robust setup. Maybe not beginner friendly yet but all the pieces are there.
Yeah I have a raspberry pi ‘syncthing hub’ that keeps all my devices uniform down to dot files and configs. It’s so essential. It’s so nice as well to be able to switch from my desktop to a laptop and continue coding seamlessly. Everything is ready as soon as I log to my computer. Don’t have to use any kind of service like google cloud, etc.
Every system has its own processes. If you want Apple software and services use Apple. If you want Linux use Linux. Do not expect either to be like the other.
it stores files in version-controlled copies which can be synced. Perhaps good for backing up photos and such, up to a few GB.
Two more interesting solutions:
Nix OS and Guix SD let you define a system entirely from single configuration file, so it is easy to re-create when needed.
The Btrfs and ZFS file systems allow to take snapshots in an instant which can very efficiently store earlier versions of files. I used that when working with yocto/bitbake, which compiles an entire embedded system from source - it can handle much larger data volumes than git or bup, and is the right thing when handling versions of binary data.
And one more, the rsync tool allows to store hard-linked copies of directory trees.
The key question is however - what do you want?
being able to recover earlier versions is essential when working with source code
being able to merge such versions in text files is necessary when working on code cooperatively with others - and only source control systems can do this well
In 99.9% of the other cases, you just want to be able to re-create a single ground-truth version of all your data after a disaster, and keep that backup copy as current as possible.
These are not the same requirements, especially the volume of data will differ.
And also, while you might to want or need to go patch by patch through conflicting source code tree with 10,000 different lines, I guess that absolutely nobody is willing or has time to go through a tree with 10,000 conflicting photographs and match them.
So the question back is: What is your specific use case and what exactly do you want to achieve?
Maybe nextcloud? IDK I just use Borg. But Nextcloud allows that type of syncing that you describe, I think. I run a small nextcloud server for other purposes and don't use that feature.
Every system has its own processes. If you want Apple software and services use Apple. If you want Linux use Linux. Do not expect either to be like the other especilly at such a micro level.
As far as Linux and beginner friendly, buy a device with Linux preinstalled just like you do with Apple. As far as user setting and apps. Get a notebook and write them down, and avoid deep customizations. As far as backup get 3 USB drives and backup your home directory with rsync or one of the other solutions. As far as restore, have install media and just reinstall from scratch then layer in your configs and apps and then restore your home directory files. For file sync and app sync functions, Nextcloud is helpful and you can pay for a commercial host, set it up yourself, or use a product like Synology. You frankly could use Dropbox, Proton Drive, or one of the others also. But think carefully what is actually needed. Cloud stuff is heavily promoted by the big providers presumably for lockin reasons and to mine your data but it is not really needed for most things. Get to know your distros builtin emergency startup tools and have a live distro like the live install media available and know how to use them.
Linux is about options but for simple beginner like processes it is best to stick to the basics.
As others suggested the backend is probably already installed on most computers but not setup, namely :
ssh to manage passworldless across multiple computers (you need that for data to be safe)
scp/rsync/rdiff-backup to actually copy the data thanks to ssh keys
One could imagine a dedicated user per machine that is for read-only of data (maybe after some encryption, limited to very specific directoriess) and another for storing only of data (with no access except to write on disk and with a maximum quota).
What this highlight though is that the centralized managed cloud model is challenging to replicate as purely p2p at home, namely backing up your phone to your desktop might be find but the other way around, probably not. Maybe even more challenging, what do you actually backup? I would argue your home directory but... clearly not your e.g. Steam games (humongous) or other backups or video files downloaded from the Web. So... probably a select set of directories in home then, but which ones? ~/Documents only? This specific part implies some decision from the end user.
Anyway I believe all the tools are there, but I think what most people lack is to view the result and for that maybe some equivalent of gitlab.com/ikus-soft/rdiffweb/ which shows when was the last backup done, how big it was, etc basically some form of visual to feel safe.
Finally to skip the CLI key management part the closest I know, for end users, is KDE Connect kdeconnect.kde.org/ which I discovered after building my own git.benetou.fr/utopiah/offline… kind of equivalent, namely a way to use devices on LAN. Backup is not a default feature though but could be.
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in reply to merci3 • • •So, not a
Potato ?
merci3
in reply to slothrop • • •Flamekebab
in reply to merci3 • • •Whilst the Celeron was indeed utter cack, 2 GB has me making four Yorkshiremen-style "2GB? Luxury!" style comments.
I used to run Ubuntu on my Acer Aspire 1362 WMLi back in 2005. I had 512 MB of RAM and a 2800+ Sempron processor.
That said, looking at this:
cpubenchmark.net/compare/1351v…
My old Sempron was a better CPU than that piece of junk Celeron you've got there. Giving it 2GB of RAM is hilarious!
Mobile AMD Sempron 2800+ vs Intel Celeron M 1.60GHz [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software
www.cpubenchmark.netmerci3
in reply to Flamekebab • • •Flamekebab
in reply to merci3 • • •I assume it was made to upsell people to better CPUs. Celerons have always been awful.
That said, if Win7 came preinstalled then we're talking about different eras of Celeron, at least, I cannot imagine it would be as mediocre as a low-mid AMD CPU from 2004!
I always think of an ex of mine defending criticism of her craptop. "It was good for its time!" No, no it wasn't. It was built around a Celeron. It was built to be trash. It was ewaste with extra steps.
vrighter
in reply to Flamekebab • • •Hule
in reply to vrighter • • •Man, does 384 sound weird!
I know it was a 256 MB and a 128 MB stick... but it was a long time ago..
vrighter
in reply to Hule • • •wewbull
in reply to merci3 • • •I think my lowest was a 33 MHz 486sx (maybe DX) with 8MB of RAM.
I wouldn't want to try it today though.
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in reply to dylanmorgan • • •I have not been able to find the case again since. It was a local shop that built it from parts, so it was not a big brand. I didn't pick the parts either, since I knew nothing about PCs at the time, and it showed lol.
Edit: it was a white/beige mini tower. If I recall correctly, it was similar to a lot of cases at the time, with a black band across and a circular button on the right. The turbo and reset buttons were pink and teal in the shape of triangles. I purchased it in 1992 when I needed a PC for college.
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in reply to wewbull • • •Yeah, this is the way.
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in reply to merci3 • • •Celeron M with 2GB ram? That's actually not low at all 😛
I bet it runs NetBSD or Tinycore flawlessly
merci3
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in reply to merci3 • • •Debian will not run on Pentium anymore. It is not performance, it is compiler options. You need a i686 (Pentium Pro). This means none of the Debian derivatives will either.
Adelie, Arch32, and T2 all still run on Pentium though I believe.
[edit: sorry, I saw Pentium 75 from the comment above - Celeron M should be fine]
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble
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in reply to merci3 • • •arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/0…
Considering they just dropped i486 support this year I’d say you’re running this on a super computer by comparison
Linux kernel is leaving 486 CPUs behind, only 18 years after the last one made
Kevin Purdy (Ars Technica)otacon239
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in reply to gjoel • • •Ackshually.. I also had an AMD K5 with Performance Rating 100.
K6 was 166 MHz and up, Pentium II competitor.
pastermil
in reply to merci3 • • •2GB of RAM? Low?
Were you born after the year 2000?
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in reply to phantomwise • • •You had one job.
Mentioning punch cards had me, but you blew it!
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in reply to phantomwise • • •asdfasfasfsadf
:::
LeFantome
in reply to phantomwise • • •Sims
in reply to phantomwise • • •I slept in my first computer - and worked as verbal RAM (first VRAM!) 28 hours a day !
"..and when you tell this to young people today, they won't believe you !" - Monty Python.
phantomwise
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in reply to merci3 • • •pastermil
in reply to merci3 • • •Lmao, I've ran Linux on an eeePC with 1GB RAM and 900MHz Intel Atom. Compiling gcc & glibc could take hours.
Edit: RPi3 still got only 1GB, BeagleBone Black even got 512MB, don't forget RPi0
badbytes
in reply to merci3 • • •piranhaconda
in reply to merci3 • • •My 2011 MacBook pro is still chugging along thanks to Linux.
I upgraded 4GB RAM to 16GB, upgraded the HDD to SSD, and replaced the CD drive with a second SSD. Sadly the screen is almost completely gone, occasionally intermittent, probably a cable gone bad, not sure, but the mini display port is working fine for an external monitor.
BarrelAgedBoredom
in reply to piranhaconda • • •Dariusmiles2123
in reply to piranhaconda • • •My girlfriend’s 2012 MacBook Pro is also running Fedora like a beast with its upgraded 16GB or Ram and its SSD.
It’s great that old hardware gets a bew chance to shine!
LeFantome
in reply to Dariusmiles2123 • • •I found my people.
I have Linux on a 2009 and 2012 MacBook Pro and 2013 and 2017 MacBook Airs.
The 2009 is getting a bit sluggish but for regular stuff, they all work great. We even played a Steam game on the 2012 earlier today (not AAA obviously).
All Chimera Linux.
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HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to cmnybo • • •Slowest thing I have tried to work on was a 386. But this one was slow - compiling the kernel took an eternity.
LeFantome
in reply to cmnybo • • •You would be surprised. If you stay text only and use a 32 bit distro, it would run up to date versions of most CLI programs.
Adelie and Arch32 still support Pentium.
Booting to a GUI, there are still a few options. I think Velox would run on that. I bet Xorg with FVWM would too. You are not going to have much left for apps though. However, you could run a couple of terminals.
Adelie Linux (totally modern Linux distro) lists 64 MB as the minimum server memory requirement.
cmnybo
in reply to LeFantome • • •I ran Damn Small Linux on it about 15 years ago. That worked pretty well and it would even run a web browser. It would probably boot Tiny Core Linux, but there wouldn't be much RAM left to run any programs. The motherboard supports 128MB, but it's not really worth the cost to upgrade it though.
I may see about resurrecting that computer. I've got an old Motorola police radio that I would like to reprogram to operate in the 2M ham band and I think that PC will run the programming software.
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in reply to twinnie • • •Yeah, yeah, many people used to run 512mb ram and 500mhz cpu setups.. But that was in 2000 and whatever.
madnificent
in reply to merci3 • • •merci3
in reply to madnificent • • •That was the lowest for me, I really don't get the confusion. And even then, a celeron m 380 was lower end even for it's own time
merci3
in reply to twinnie • • •Yeah, yeah, many people used to run 512mb ram and 500mhz cpu setups.. But that was in 2000 and whatever.
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in reply to merci3 • • •Eugenia
in reply to merci3 • • •LeFantome
in reply to Eugenia • • •It is because it is 32 bit. You can run a 32 bit distro on your machine too if you really want.
You can get a full Trinity desktop on Q4OS in 130 MB of RAM (32 bit edition).
Eugenia
in reply to LeFantome • • •LeFantome
in reply to Eugenia • • •Are you running Trinity or KDE?
Not sure why I get so much less unless it is that. Or are you saying you run Trinity 64 bit?
I agree that 32 bit is not often going to be 50% less in practice. Sometimes I think we should be running 64 bit kernels with 32 bit userland.
Eugenia
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in reply to merci3 • • •corsicanguppy
in reply to merci3 • • •Are we competing again?
I'm proud to be setting up a rhel10 desktop, as it'll be the first time I ran Linux as a desktop in 30 years of a Linux/Unix career.
To rephrase: I ran XFree86 on a 4mb i386 machine 30 years ago.
What do I win?
merci3
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in reply to not_amm • • •Lenovo ThinkCentre M715q, Lenovo ThinkCentre M93p
separate cheap newer N100 cpu node for jellyfin, other encoding
Intel NUC NUC8i5BEHS for k3s control plane, little more expensive but reliable.
i usually replace Thinkcentre fans w noctua for power draw, performance, and noise. and remove wifi module, not needed, draws power, closed blob firmware, is a risk. pops out easy, no config changes needed in Debian.
not_amm
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in reply to merci3 • • •Lettuce eat lettuce
in reply to merci3 • • •Hell yeah! Love seeing old hardware like this still running a modern OS.
With Linux, if your hardware is a decade old, you've barely even reached middle-age.
Meanwhile Windows 11 won't even allow an official install on hardware that's 4-5 years old.
Long live Linux & FOSS ✊
LoudWaterHombre
in reply to merci3 • • •Dave
in reply to LoudWaterHombre • • •LoudWaterHombre
in reply to Dave • • •Thanks for suggesting DietPi! I never heard of it but it sounds just like what my ZeroW needs
(Also runs PiHole)
Dave
in reply to LoudWaterHombre • • •No problem! I've used it for years, though my home assistant running on a Raspberry Pi 4 is now doing the pi-hole thing with adguard instead as the original one was having issues. Though you get weird DNS quirks when the machine running DNS also relies on the internet.
Plus that time I did a dumb thing in home assistant to see what would happen, and it brought the internet down.
So I am keen to get another Pi. I highly recommend keeping it on a dedicated device you never touch except for updates!
rustydrd
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in reply to Ptsf • • •squaresinger
in reply to merci3 • • •I got you beat with my HP Mini running a 32-bit Intel Atom N270 that I use to develop games for the open source physiotherapy gamification device I made for my kid when I'm on the train.
Don't want to carry my full-size gaming laptop to work just to do some light lua coding.
answersplease77
in reply to merci3 • • •thats my current laptop
Edit: im exagerating but I really have 20-yr 32-bit Dell laptops running minimal debian linux. and my current laptop is 10+ yrs old Lenovo which I already replaced its screen, rams, keyboard, bluetooth, usb ports... and it's still working flawlessly for daily tasks, video/music editing, coding and programming, internet browsing 😁
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in reply to merci3 • • •Aceticon
in reply to rumba • • •Similar story but I just installed slackware on one of the University PCs (they just had a handful of PCs in the general computer room for the students and nobody actually watched over us) since I did not have a PC yet (only had a ZX Spectrum at the timback then).
Trying to get X-Windows to work in Slackware was interesting, to say the least: back then you had to manually create your own video timings configuration file to get the graphics to work - which means defining the video mode at the very low level, such as configuring the number of video clock cycles between end-of-line-drawing and horizontal-retrace - and fortunatelly I didn't actually blow up any monitor (which was possible if you did the configuration wrong).
At least we had some access to the Internet (most things were blocked but we had Usenet and e-email and one could use FTPmail gateways to download stuff from remote servers) via Ethernet, so that part was easy.
Anyways, my first reaction looking at the OP's post was like: yeah, if they're running X it's probably a too powerfull machine.
rumba
in reply to Aceticon • • •My favorite part of the first configuration of x back then, you screw with the conf for ages, manage to get a viable video mode set, startx for the billionth time... gray screen, mouse cursor... Overflowingly happy... Wait, now what? No program manager, no apps, no terminal, No exit, no shutdown. What's a window manager? The least apparent thing in the world being to switch consoles , export a display variable, and start an xtern in the video console.
We worked so hard for every little thing.
Aceticon
in reply to rumba • • •Yeah, but at least we knew how to switch consoles.
I bet that most Linux users nowadays don't event know the CTRL+ALT+Fx shortcuts to switch console.
Can't say that the old days were really "good" compared to what we had now, but there was definitelly a lot of satisfaction in step by step getting the system to work.
rumba
in reply to Aceticon • • •MangoCats
in reply to rumba • • •I got my modem working in Slackware in 1997 - but the PPP driver (equivalent of WinSock - which worked in Windows quite well at the time) would only work during the first boot of the system. After a reboot, PPP would never return, and the best I got out of the internet about it at the time (mostly using my Windows PC) was "real men connect to the internet through ethernet."
Between that an the useless (unless you enjoy frustration) sound drivers, I declared Linux "not ready for prime time," and left it to others until starting back in via Cygwin in 2003, then Gentoo (for 64 bit access you couldn't get any other way) in 2005.
rumba
in reply to MangoCats • • •MangoCats
in reply to rumba • • •zquestz
in reply to merci3 • • •MangoCats
in reply to zquestz • • •Aceticon
in reply to merci3 • • •Stories from the "good" old days running Linux on a 386 machine with 4 MB or less of memory aside, in the present day it's still perfectly normal to run Linux on a much weaker machine as a server - you can just rent a the cheapest VPS you can find (which nowadays will have 128 MB, maybe 256MB, and definitelly only give you a single core) and install it there.
Of course, it won't be something with X-Windows or Wayland, much less stuff like LibreOffice.
I think the server distribution of Ubunto might fit such a VPS, though there are server-specific Linux distros that will for sure fit and if everything fails TinyCore Linux will fit in a potato.
I current have a server like that using AlmaLinux on a VPS with less than 1GB in memory, which is used only as a Git repository and that machine is overkill for it (it's the lowest end VPS with enough storage space for a Git repository big enough for the projects I'm working on, so judging by the server management interface and linux meminfo, that machine's CPU power and memory are in practice far more than needed).
If you're willing to live with a command line interface, you can run Linux on $50 worth of hardware.
vvvvv
in reply to Aceticon • • •And boy would that core be shitty and over-provisioned.
EchoSnail
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in reply to merci3 • • •I remember back in the day when I downloaded the first divx file my K6-400 couldn't smoothly play... I had been so used to thinking of that as a powerhouse coming from my Pentium 60, which was the first one I ran Linux on.
Ensign_Crab
in reply to merci3 • • •LeFantome
in reply to merci3 • • •Arthur Besse
in reply to merci3 • • •I think it was born in the 21st century? From this it looks like the first Celeron M was in 2004, and the first at that clockspeed was 2005.
Also, 2GB of RAM is plenty for many purposes - that's more than any Raspberry Pi before the Pi 4 had!
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Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)merci3
in reply to Arthur Besse • • •Actually.. You're right about the 21st century lmao. I just wanted an excuse to quote Metal Gear Solid
Also, the issue is not ram itself, of course, 2GB is enough for lots of fun on Linux, it's the CPU that's killing me
4shtonButcher
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in reply to merci3 • • •points Brazilian