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Israel-Iran live: US completes 'very successful attack' on nuclear sites in Iran, Trump says
Israel-Iran live: US completes 'very successful attack' on nuclear sites in Iran, Trump says
Donald Trump has said the US has carried out attacks on three nuclear sites in Iran. Watch Sky News in the stream below.Sky News
How is DuckAI able to stores chat conversations?
I’m curious about how DuckAI is able to stores chat conversations.
How it is able to store my conversation for over a month?
Probably uses the localStorage API.
developer.mozilla.org/en-US/do…
Window: localStorage property - Web APIs | MDN
The localStorage read-only property of the window interface allows you to access a Storage object for the Document's origin; the stored data is saved across browser sessions.MDN Web Docs
Why do we need to sign in zotero account to use WebDAV
Why do we need to sign in zotero account to use WebDAV
Zotero 7 Lost WebDAV - Zotero Forums
Is zotero trustworthy given that it forces people to create a zotero account and possible forces people to sync their data to their server?
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Delusion fuels made-in-Canada G7 plan to cut reliance on Chinese critical minerals
Delusion fuels made-in-Canada G7 plan to cut reliance on Chinese critical minerals
Editor’s note: The Canada Files is the country's only news outlet focused on Canadian foreign policy. We've provided critical investigations & hard-hitting analysis on Canadian foreign policy since 2019, and need your support.Aidan Jonah (The Canada Files)
Aid seekers in Gaza continue to be targeted as Israeli attacks kill 26
Aid seekers in Gaza continue to be targeted as Israeli attacks kill 26
Gaza’s Health Ministry says that in the last 48 hours, 202 people have been killed in Israeli attacks.Al Jazeera
Palestine Embassy condemns Gaza Humanitarian Foundation
Palestine Embassy condemns Gaza Humanitarian Foundation
KUALA LUMPUR: The Palestine Embassy in Malaysia has condemned the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), describing the aid distribution initiative as a veiled operation that further endangered innocent aid seekers in the enclave.Bernama (New Straits Times)
Allstones Lake Trail, Kiska/Wilson PLUZ, Alberta CA
Just east of the Icefields Parkway in Alberta this great trail opposite the beautiful Abraham Lake (N. Saskatchewan River). Gaining 2800 ft to get to the top of Allstones ridge includes a long exposed section of loose rock well worth the effort before heading down to the smaller Allstones lake. There is some amazing camping all along Abraham lake, requires the $30 annual Public Land Use Zone permit (what a great bargain). Hiked 5/20/25
The glacial waters of Abraham lake seem below the rocky peak of Allstones ridge. Snowy Kista peak is off in the distance.
Downhill from the summit of Allstones ridge, three hikers may be seen talking. Allstones lake is partially frozen below with Infinite Stones peak looming over it.
Looking out from the hillside, a rain/snow shower falls on Abraham lake below. Kista peak and Mt Michener can be seen in the background. This is the slope for the majority f the loose rock section, it gets steeper but with more defined footing at the top.
Abraham mountain and Allstones peak on the other side of a forested valley. Black and White.
Sat 21 Jun 2025. TheGuardian still dreams up 61 people which do not exist. The number 1200 must be repeated.
Israel social security data reveals true picture of Oct 7 deaths
A more precise picture of Hamas's October 7 attack on Israel has emerged from social security data, confirming the unprecedented scale of the violence but also challenging some initial testimonies.France 24 (FRANCE 24)
In Militarizing Push, Russian School Children To Build Drones
In Militarizing Push, Russian School Children To Build Drones
Russia will soon teach high school students how to build and fly drones, which have become a key weapon in the war between Moscow and Kyiv.Current Time (RFE/RL)
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Russian Schoolchildren Are Learning To Fight The Next Drone War
In response to a decree by Putin, Russian schoolchildren are now learning to build and fly drones. It is a strong indication of how they see the future of war.Forbes
In Militarizing Push, Russian School Children To Build Drones
In Militarizing Push, Russian School Children To Build Drones
Russia will soon teach high school students how to build and fly drones, which have become a key weapon in the war between Moscow and Kyiv.Current Time (RFE/RL)
A White Nationalist Wrote a Law School Paper Promoting Racist Views. It Won Him an Award
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/21/us/white-supremacist-university-of-florida-paper.html?smtyp=cur
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Freed activist says Trump administration failed to suppress pro-Palestinian voices
Mahmoud Khalil: Freed Columbia activist says Trump administration has failed
After his release from more than three months in immigration detention, Mahmoud Khalil shouts: "Free Palestine!"Nomia Iqbal (BBC News)
Palestinians forced to choose between being killed or starved, UN says
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At least 140 people were killed in Israeli attacks in Gaza over the past 24 hours as the confrontation between Israel and Iran teetered on the precipice of an even more dangerous conflagration.Among those killed were people attempting to access aid being brought in by UN trucks in central Gaza.
Around 400 people have been killed while attempting to reach aid since the so-called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation began distributing food on 27 May, and more than 3,000 injured, according to authorities in Gaza.
More than 55,600 people have been killed in Gaza and nearly 130,000 injured since Israel’s military assault began in October 2023, according to the Palestinian health ministry in the territory. More than 5,330 people have been killed and nearly 18,000 injured since Israel broke a two-month-old ceasefire on 18 March.
The UN human rights office called on the Israeli military “to immediately cease its use of lethal force around food distribution points in Gaza, following repeated instances of shooting and killing of Palestinians seeking to access food there.”
Palestinians forced to choose between being killed or starved, UN says
Southern Gaza's largest hospital on verge of collapse.The Electronic Intifada
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US tech czar warns China is only two years behind in semiconductor and chip design
US tech czar warns China is only two years behind in semiconductor and chip design
According to Sacks, Huawei is making swift progress in chip design and could soon begin exporting its hardware, although the company still faces challenges in producing high-end...Skye Jacobs (TechSpot)
Cloudflare CEO warns AI crawlers and summaries are eroding the internet's business model
Cloudflare CEO warns AI crawlers and summaries are eroding the internet's business model
Speaking at an Axios event in Cannes last week, Prince explained that search engines and chatbots using generative AI to summarize web content have significantly reduced the...Daniel Sims (TechSpot)
"Iniziativa strampalata di Conte, si atteggia a leader di un centro sociale". Picierno stronca la manifestazione “Stop Rearm Europe”
Sempre più convinti oltretutto, non ci sono alternative ormai per loro
Picierno: “Corteo contro riarmo Ue? Iniziativa strampalata di Conte, un raduno da centro sociale”
L'europarlamentare del Pd contro la manifestazione pacifista: "Basta col pacifintismo e il populismo d'accatto"Il Fatto Quotidiano
Except this time the empire is so far gone that Tulsi is even questioning/dismissing the idea of Iran having/getting nukes and it doesn't matter.
We no longer need to manufacture consent, we just do things.
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The Zionist project is really on the “who gon stop me?” mode.
Be it internationally - Yemen? About the only nation actually trying. No one else wants to risk the bombs falling on them next.
Or domestically - it’s publicly unpopular but what are you gonna do? The two options of Republican or Democrat are both in favour, so what exactly are you going to do? Gripe and moan and then go to work on Monday.
Either way the empire continues its Zionist agenda with only a few stiff words against it.
Spain Is Right to Reject Increased Military Spending
Spain Is Right to Reject Increased Military Spending
Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, has broken ranks with other NATO leaders as he refused to commit to spending 5 percent of GDP on defense. It’s a welcome move, and a rare voice of dissent from Europe’s rush to remilitarize.jacobin.com
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Reminder that you do not own digital games
Hi there, We removed Dark and Darker from sale on the Epic Games Store on March 5 in consideration of a court decision in Korea between Nexon and the game's publisher, IRONMACE. On November 1, 2025, we will be removing Dark and Darker from your library, at which point it will no longer be playable via the Epic Games Store.Effective immediately, players can no longer purchase Redstone Shards or the Legendary Status upgrades via the Epic Games Store. Players can continue to use the Redstone Shards that they have previously purchased until November 1, 2025.
We will issue a refund to all players who have purchased the Legendary Status upgrade. Refunds will be issued to the player’s original payment method, and where that’s not possible, players will receive a refund to their Epic account balance. We are unable to provide refunds on Redstone Shards.
If you have not received a refund by July 1, please contact player support.
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First sale doctrine gives you some rights, but it doesn’t give all the same rights you would have for any other physical object that doesn’t include copyrighted work.
If I buy 100 chairs, I’m free to start a chair rental business. If I buy 100 copies of a game, I cannot start renting them out without permission from the actual owner of the game.
The fact that the law entitles you to a slightly broader license doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s still just a license and not ownership. The only thing you own is the physical media (e.g. the plastic disc) not the contents of that disc.
A Coal Miner’s Daughter Takes On DOGE Amid Rising Cases of Black Lung Disease
A Coal Miner’s Daughter Takes On DOGE Amid Rising Cases of Black Lung Disease
Researchers working to prevent deaths from the disease, which has killed over 75,000 miners, received layoff notices.Meg Duff (Truthout)
Discarded Clothing by UK Fast Fashion Brands Found in Protected Wetlands in Ghana: Report
- EcoWatch article
- report cited
UK brands found in ‘fast fashion graveyard’ in African conservation area
Clothes discarded by UK consumers and shipped to Ghana have been found in a huge textile dumpsite in a protected African conservation area.Richa Syal (Unearthed)
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We caught 4 more states sharing personal health data with Big Tech
We caught 4 more states sharing health data to Big Tech trackers
Health care exchanges in Nevada, Maine, Massachusetts and Rhode Island shared sensitive user health data with Google, LinkedIn and SnapchatTomas Apodaca (CalMatters)
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Abandon “Abundance” - The latest Democratic fad sidelines equality and justice in favor of a focus on cutting red tape. This is not the path forward.
Abandon “Abundance”
The latest Democratic fad sidelines equality and justice in favor of a focus on cutting red tape. This is not the path forward.Nathan J. Robinson (Current Affairs Inc)
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Col. Douglas Macgregor: America’s Attack on Iran Could Start WW3
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Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.www.youtube.com
Bay Area guerrilla ‘bench collective’ installs seating at 8 Mission bus stops
Doesn't sound like much, but waiting for a bus on a bench can make a huge difference.
Guerrilla urbanism is awesome!
Bay Area guerrilla ‘bench collective’ installs seating at 8 Mission bus stops
A group of transit activists have dropped eight benches of their own making into the Mission, where residents are (mostly) grateful.Jordan Montero (Mission Local)
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ChatGPT May Be Linked to 'Cognitive Debt,' New Study Finds
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Welcome back to the Abstract!
This week, we’re moving in next to anacondas, so watch your back and lock the henhouse. Then, parenthood tips from wild baboons, the “cognitive debt” of ChatGPT, a spaceflight symphony, and a bizarre galaxy that is finally coming into view.
When your neighbor is an anaconda
Anacondas are one of the most spectacular animals in South America, inspiring countless myths and legends. But these iconic boas, which can grow to lengths of 30 feet, are also a pest to local populations in the Amazon basin, where they prey on livestock.
To better understand these nuanced perceptions of anacondas, researchers interviewed more than 200 residents of communities in the várzea regions of the lower Amazon River about their experiences with the animals. The resulting study is packed with amazing stories and insights about the snakes, which are widely reviled as thieves and feared for their predatory prowess.
“Fear of the anaconda (identified in 44.5% of the reports) is related to the belief that it is a treacherous and sly animal,” said co-authors led by Beatriz Nunes Cosendey of the Mamirauá Sustainable Development Reserve and Juarez Carlos Brito Pezzuti of the Federal University of Pará.
“The interviewees convey that the anaconda is a silent creature that arrives without making any noise, causing them to feel uneasy and always vigilant during fishing…with the fear of having their canoe flooded in case of an attack,” the team added. “Some dwellers even reported being more afraid of an anaconda than of a crocodile because the latter warns when it is about to attack.”
One of the Amazonian riverine communities where the research was conducted. Image: Beatriz Cosendey.
But while anacondas are eerily stealthy, they also have their derpy moments. The snakes often break into chicken coops to feast on the poultry, but then get trapped because their engorged bodies are too big to escape through the same gaps they used to enter.
“Dwellers expressed frustration at having to invest time and money in raising chickens, and then lose part of their flock overnight,” the team said. “One interviewee even mentioned retrieving a chicken from inside an anaconda’s belly, as it had just been swallowed and was still fresh.”
Overall, the new study presents a captivating portrait of anaconda-human relations, and concludes that “the anaconda has lost its traditional role in folklore as a spiritual and mythological entity, now being perceived in a pragmatic way, primarily as an obstacle to free-range poultry farming.”
Monkeying around with Dad
Coming off of Father’s Day, here is a story about the positive role that dads can play for their daughters—for baboons, as well as humans. A team tracked the lifespans of 216 wild female baboons in Amboseli, Kenya, and found that subjects who received more paternal care had significantly better outcomes than their peers.
Male baboon with infant in the Amboseli ecosystem, Kenya. Image: Elizabeth Archie, professor at Notre Dame.
“We found that juvenile female baboons who had stronger paternal relationships, or who resided longer with their fathers, led adult lives that were 2–4 years longer than females with weak or short paternal relationships,” said researchers led by David Jansen of the Midwest Center of Excellence for Vector-Borne Disease. “Because survival predicts female fitness, fathers and their daughters may experience selection to engage socially and stay close in daughters’ early lives.”
This all reminds me of that old episode of The Simpsons where . While Homer was clearly hurt, it turns out that baboons might not be the worst animal-based insult for a daughter to throw at her dad.
A case for staying ChatGPT-Free
ChatGPT may hinder creativity and learning skills in students who use it to write essays, relative to those who didn’t, according to an exhaustive new preprint study posted on arXiv. This research has yet not been peer-reviewed, and has a relatively small sample size of 54 subjects, but it still contributes to rising concerns about the cognitive toll of AI assistants.
Researchers led by Nataliya Kosmya of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology divided the subjects — all between 18 and 39 years old — into three groups wrote SAT essays using OpenAI’s ChatGPT (LLM group), Google’s search engine, or with no assistance (dubbed “Brain-only”).
“As demonstrated over the course of 4 months, the LLM group's participants performed worse than their counterparts in the Brain-only group at all levels: neural, linguistic, scoring,” the team said. “The LLM group also fell behind in their ability to quote from the essays they wrote just minutes prior.”
When I asked ChatGPT for its thoughts on the study, it commented that “these results are both interesting and plausible, though they should be interpreted cautiously given the early stage of the research and its limitations.” It later suggested that “cognitive offloading is not always bad.”
This study is a bop
Even scientists can’t resist evocative language now and then—we’re all only human. Case in point: A new study likens the history of Asia’s space industry to “a musical concert” and then really runs with the metaphor.
“The region comprises a diverse patchwork of nations, each contributing different instruments to the regional space development orchestra,” said researchers led by Maximilien Berthet of the University of Tokyo. “Its history consists of three successive movements” starting with “the US and former USSR setting the tone for the global space exploration symphony” and culminating with modern Asian spaceflight as “a fast crescendo in multiple areas of the region driven in part by private initiative.”
Talk about a space opera. The rest of the study provides a comprehensive review of Asian space history, but I cannot wait for the musical adaptation.
Peekaboo! I galax-see you
In 2001, astronomer Bärbel Koribalski spotted a tiny galaxy peeking out from behind a bright foreground star that had obscured it for decades, earning it the nickname the “Peekaboo Galaxy.” Situated about 22 million light-years from the Milky Way, this strange galaxy is extremely young and metal-poor, resembling the universe’s earliest galaxies.
The Peekaboo galaxy to the right of the star TYC 7215-199-1. Image: NASA, ESA, Igor Karachentsev (SAO RAS); Image Processing: Alyssa Pagan (STScI)
A new study confirms Peekaboo as “the lowest-metallicity dwarf in the Local Volume,” a group of roughly 500 galaxies within 36 million light-years of Earth.
“This makes the Peekaboo dwarf one of the most intriguing galaxies in the Local Volume,” said co-authors Alexei Kniazev of the South African Astronomical Observatory and Simon Pustilnik of the Special Astrophysical Observatory of the Russian Academy of the Sciences. “It deserves intensive, multi-method study and is expected to significantly advance our understanding of the early universe’s first building blocks.”
Thanks for reading! See you next week.
Update: The original headline for this piece was "Is ChatGPT Rotting Our Brains? New Study Suggests It Does." We've updated the headline to "ChatGPT May Create 'Cognitive Debt,' New Study Finds" to match the terminology used by the researchers.
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Teachers Are Not OK
AI, ChatGPT, and LLMs "have absolutely blown up what I try to accomplish with my teaching."Jason Koebler (404 Media)
The Computer-Science Bubble Is Bursting - The Atlantic
The Computer-Science Bubble Is Bursting
Artificial intelligence is ideally suited to replacing the very type of person who built it.Rose Horowitch (The Atlantic)
They're screaming for help like a child who lit the fire and got burned
They're screaming for help like a child who lit the fire and got burned
Instance PeerTube généraliste, une bonne alternative à YouTube et autres plateformes de streaming contrôlées par des géants du WEB. General PeerTube instance, a good alternative to YouTube and other streaming platforms controlled by WEB giants.Mes Numériques
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[Video] Iranian drone hits north-Israel
Over 40 Iranian drones target Israel in morning hours, IDF says
Military spokesperson says most attack UAVs intercepted befor entering Israel; says percentage of successful interceptions high after a residential building in Beit Shean takes a direct hitYoav Zitun (ynetnews)
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!
Irony truly is dead.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •We killed a bunch of people but now I want peace....
I punched you but please don't hit me back or I'll cry.
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •I don't wanna jinx it, but
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1956 invasion of Egypt by Israel, the United Kingdom, and France
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in reply to Onyxonblack • • •By whom?
Idiots toss around a lot of stuff.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Please tell me none of these bombs were nukes...
Fucking amazing.
PNAC gets its way in the end, despite at least 40% of Trump's rise to political prominence being due to him being one of the few Republicans to criticize... you know, all the pointless meddling and wars in the ME.
... And Trump is almost single handedly responsible for all of this.
He tore up the nuke deal Obama made. He massively mismanaged every element of the Israeli/Palestine situation. Fucking stepson Kushner's gonna figure it out, don't worry.
Oh yeah lets piss off everyone and move the embassy to Jerusalem.
Beyond contemptible.
The man is a demon.
Kefka?
Is Trump Kefka, or is that an insult to Kefka?
Fucking childish demon clown that just wants to blow up the whole world so he can feel special.
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in reply to queermunist she/her • • •See this is exactly what I am worried about.
The Fordow site is simply under too big of a fucking mountain for even our largest conventional penetrator bombs to actually significantly fuck up... unless you basically were able to pull off multiples of those bombs hitting the exact same point from nearly the same angle...
GPS guided bombs are accurate, but not that accurate... you'd have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these fuckoff huge conventional penetrator bombs to literally dig a hole through the mountain.
... Or, you drop one tactical nuke.
fucking not good
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like this is what those air radar images were showing from 24/48 hrs ago.
That was probably the US's entire fucking B2 Bomber Fleet deploying.
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EDIT:
Yep 24 to 48 hrs later and...
Apparently around a dozen 30,000 lb, GBU57s were used, there are at least 3 distinct impact sites visible from Sat Imagery...
And oh hey well, a whole bunch of people are now claiming that... did these do damage?
Sure yes.
Did they 'utterly obliterate' the entire site?
Not according to Israel, and a good number of others.
So... 1) thank God they did not actually use a tac. nuke.
2) Yep, they threw roughly 1/3 of our entire GBU 57 inventory at Fordow alone, and also the bombs were not accurate enough to inflict repeated, concise hits.
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in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •I can totally see Trump just having a bunch of random bombs dropped in the general area, declaring victory and telling everyone to fuck off though.
Iran will not dispute the strike was effective, and neither will Israel.
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in reply to ohulancutash • • •What's so fantastical about the US using a tactical nuke and then lying about it?
Looks like that didn't happen here, but I see no reason that it couldn't.
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in reply to queermunist she/her • • •Yes. Only in fantasy land. As Logi above said, nuclear detonation is an extremely precise, controlled process that has very specific conditions to achieve successfully. Even an actual fission bomb only manages to consume a fraction of the radioactive material.
The only thing someone would achieve by denotating a conventional explosive near a reactor or nuclear stockpile is spreading highly radioactive dust around. That does not nor will ever look like uncontrolled nuclear fission, let alone a detonation from a thermonuclear warhead.
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in reply to queermunist she/her • • •A nuclear detonation is a very delicate and precisely controlled process. It doesn't just happen because a bomb goes off near the nuke. So sure, they can say anything, but there will be obvious evidence.
Speaking of saying anything, I'm going to look for reliable confirmation that this even happened. I'm not taking Trump's fucking tweet for it.
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in reply to goferking (he/him) • • •If you are talking about conventional bombs that are comparable to a small nuke in a ground burst or air burst scenario, yes.
But not for ground penetration, no.
A conventional explosive displaces, creates a pressure wave that fractures and shatters things, but that pressure wave behaves differently when applied to different materials.
A nuke creates a ball of plasma that is so hot that it evaporates everything inside the primary blast radius, and then also a pressure wave when that miniature sun displaces things and wants to expand outward in every direction.
A 20 kt nuke will make an all incinerating fireball approximately 200m in diameter... so that means everything in a 100m radius from the point of impact, is now plasma... and then on top of that you get the massive pressure wave extending damage further beyond that.
Nukes are considerably more effective as deep pemetrator weapons than conventional explosives are.
The GBU 57 MOP, going off publically available info, can destroy earth (meaning soil) 60m under its point of impact... but only about 18m under reinforced concrete.
A mountain, with a reinforced bunker complex under it, is going to be a lot closer to reinforced concrete than it is to soil in some dry lakebed testing range.
And Fordow is roughly 80m, possibly more, underground.
So... the tactical nuke can basically guaranteed do that mission in one accurate hit, whereas with GBU 57s, you'd need a number of them, and you would have to basically drill a bore hole by dropping successive bombs into the same hole.
And uh, last note, the MOAB is just shy of 22,000 lbs, has a blast rating of about 11 tons of TNT. Its not a ground penetrator though, it is thermobaric, a fuel air bomb.
The GBU 57 MOP is a 30,000 lb bomb, and... rough math works out to about... maybe 1 kiloton, max, probably less?
I guess we'll have to wait for Warthunder to add the B2 and GBU 57 and then eventually someone will leak the real specs.
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in reply to ripcord • • •Well, at least for once, something could actually be worse.
But of course tomorrow will happen so then that metric gets reset.
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in reply to Nakoichi [they/them] • • •Hear hear. Great man theory is absurd. If Kamala was at the helm I guarantee it wouldn't be any different, only libs wouldn't protest because slay kween we came we saw he died
It is the superstructure, it is the machine of capitalism that needs to feed. Watch oil futures on Monday and remind me who is the greatest producer of crude and LNG today?
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in reply to Nakoichi [they/them] • • •There's a reason I said almost singlehandedly.
Would you prefer 'played a pivotal role'?
Yes, a lot of Democrats went along with the revocation of the agreement, and then failed to get a new agreement in place during the Biden admin, after Trump and the Reps also failed to get a new deal in Trump's first term, despite that being one of Trump's campaign promises.
But Trump, as the head of state, signed an executive memorandum that cancelled it.
Which is a thing that a US President can actually do unilaterally, whereas drafting or accepting a new deal, an international treaty, has to go through Congress.
Its... kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.
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Could/Should the Dems have reformed this, threw a massive shit fit about this?
Absolutely yes.
But in this particular instance... the whole scenario really actually does hinge on the President being singly able to do something extreme, with no real, effective, balanced check on that power.
I do not need to invoke or subscribe to Great Man Theory to point all this out.
Trump is a symptom of many greater, unchecked sicknesses and decay and corruption in American politics and society... he is simply the fraudulent idiot man-child r*pist that the masses of frustrated, hateful, intolerant, anti-intellectual bigots projected their yearning for spite and revenge onto, and empowered.
Presidential Power to Terminate International Agreements
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in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •not a flaw, this is a feature of US power
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in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •While the masses that supported the regime change in Libya that Obama and Hillary were pushing with straight up KKK level propaganda ("Gaddafi handing out viagra for mass rapes" + "Gaddafi recruiting mercenaries from sub-Saharan Africa" = real migrant workers from Chad were getting hanged from bridges by the "rebels for democracy") and is currently a slave market are what? Unfrustrated, tolerant, intellectual, classy liberals?
The entire US middle class on both sides turns to a cheerleader for the military industrial complex with only slightly different narratives to support it each time. The presidents are puppets of economic forces, snap out of it.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •I honestly thought he wasn't a war monger judging from last term. Man, was I wrong. He's a complete POS.
Republicans, you can fire him at any time, you're letting this happen.
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in reply to pelespirit • • •here is a trick to determine if they are warmongers:
are they capitalists? yes? then on a large enough timeline they will support war as long as it bring them profit. and war is always profit.
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in reply to CaptDust • • •pressgallery.house.gov/member-…
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in reply to CaptDust • • •In 2001 when The US authorized use of force on Al-Qaeda that, along with The 1973 war powers resolution gave the president (as in the position of president, not just Bush) unlimited ability to bomb anyone loosely associated with Al-Qaeda in perpetuity.
It's what allowed Bush, then Obama, then Trump, and then Biden, and now Trump again, to use the military as they see fit for performing military operations against basically any state and group in the middle east.
1973 U.S. federal law limiting the power of the president to declare war
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •No new wars Trump strikes again, once again, with war.
Gotta prop up your masters when they tell you to invade.
America. Fucking. Sucks.
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in reply to Jake Farm • • •Yeah I forgot which letters belong to it, the one that does chemical weapons too
Edit: meant the IAEA earlier.
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in reply to Jake Farm • • •IAEA Head: “We Did Not Have Any Proof” of Iran Building Nuclear Weapon
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in reply to Jake Farm • • •Tell me you learned nothing from the Iraq War without telling me you learned nothing from the Iraq War.
Chris Hedges: War Deja Vu | The lies told to ignite the war with Iraq have been resurrected to ignite a war with Iran. The assessments of intelligence agencies and international bodies are dismissed, replaced by hallucinations.
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in reply to davel • • •Weirdly enough that assessment says
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in reply to Jake Farm • • •Iran’s stockpile is still within the bounds allowed under the nonproliferation treaty that Iran, the US, and all but five UN states are party to. And given what the US and Israel have been up to in West & Central Asia over the last 23 years, why wouldn’t that public taboo have been broken?
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in reply to Jake Farm • • •I mean the intelligence reports said it wasn't. The people who said it was are known liars Trump and Netanyahu.
Id believe the Intelligence community over those clowns.
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in reply to blackluster117 • • •This isn’t on the majority of US citizens.
Its obvious our entire socio/political system is corrupted by money. The idea that a group of sociopaths who behave as if their socio economic status grants them impunity to act as though they have divine provenance to manipulate whatever they please for some reason view the us democratic system as too sacred for them to touch is foolishly naive.
There is the election fraud case in rockwell county new york that is moving forward. And besides that i like to call attention to Germany the supreme court of which decided that electronic voting is unconstitutional as it is impossible to determine the difference between fraudulent results and legitimate ones for lay people or anyone who is not a cybersecurity/ IT expert.
This coupled with the corporate media’s narrative manipulation and successful attempts to shift the Overton window as far right as possible in the last 5 decades as well as such insidious techno fascist tactics such as Israel’s consortium of tech contractors called Team Jorge in operation since st least 2015 which engage in hacking, and social media narrative manipulation through sophisticated bot farming it paints a picture that the American electorate is ultimately powerless and being insidiously controlled by a group of disgusting power hungry fascists that are engaged in a class war with us.
Anyone directly responsible for the current state of the USA and gloval affairs involving Israel deserve no mercy whatsoever. Including the overly audible minority of conservatives who have been lead to believe they are the majority and the world is their oyster to shit on and step on freely with complete impunity.
But the majority of us are good people who dont want this. Especially the millennials and gen z. The Democratic party has shifted so far right to appease it’s corporatist(fascist) masters and education standards have been gutted so most people dont even understand how we are being victimized. Maybe my faith in humanity is misplaced considering how igly things are but leftism has always been popular especially among educated people and this is why the right has destroyed education standards. As nixon and reagan advisor roger freeman said “we are on the verge of having a highly educated proletariat, this is dynamite! We have to be more selective of who we allow through higher education. At the time he said this before the Reagan administration some public universities especially federal
Land grant universities has free tuition and many others that were not free were $50 per semester. Even yale was $700 per semester for tuition before the 1970’s now you need yo go into massive debt to get a degree that might gaurantee you a wage of $25-30 after you graduate with a debt of 50-100K at least if not 4-10 times that.
They want dumb complacent obedient workers who will not object to being looted so they can live in opulence at our expense while simultaneously funding their forever wars to further their imperialist agenda and profit motives.
Longpork3
in reply to exploitedamerican • • •You honestly believe that there is a peacefull path left at this point? The system is rigged by design, and you are not going to restore democracy in the courtroom.
Quit playing Martin and start playing Malcolm. Pick up a gun and kill your fascist leaders before they kill all of us.
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'They' have been planning this strike in earnest at least since the early 00's, and war with Iran was always part of the plan to fully colonize West Asia. Israel is America's way to conduct proxy wars in the region, with a degree of autonomy like the Houthis and Iran, but still entirely dependent on their masters. Nothing was going to stop this expected geopolitical move, and don't think a Democrat would've done this any differently... didn't Biden say we would have to invent Israel if it didn't exist? (double lol on that one) The mechanics of the empire continue regardless of how things are managed inside...
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in reply to YappyMonotheist • • •When things go the way they're headed, remember the words of T.E. Lawrence, war with an empire is all flank and no front.
Maybe reading the book written by the guy who started this mess can help us end it.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •This cunt Just Started World War 3.
Palantir, Meta, Microsoft are all going to control the world's armies. They're trying to remove the working class. The Rich are doing their own genocide of the working class.
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in reply to BeNotAfraid • • •Their executives have been given military titles of Lieutenant Colonel already! Without any military training or fitness test.
defensescoop.com/2025/06/13/ar…
Army recruits officers from Meta, OpenAI and Palantir to serve in new detachment
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in reply to iamjackflack • • •Ok how?
Also you do realize almost every democrat supported this shit too right?
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •I think we can expect Iran to just keep on fighting back, but who I'm REALLY looking at now is Pakistan. They said that if anyone attacked Iran besides Israel, they would enter the war on the side of Iran. Even if America's participation in the war stopped here (not fucking likely) if Pakistan follows through with their threat then this escalation really, honest to God, could be the start of WW3.
Because here's the thing: India has been trying to goad Pakistan into their own war for a few months now. So here's my prediction, although be warned it gets a little crazy after the first 5 points:
Ultimately, the two sides:
THE AGGRESSORS
* Israel
* Russia
* India
* America
* Hungary
* Turkey
* Belarús
* North Korea
* China
THE RESPONSE
* Iran
* Pakistan
* Afghanistan
* The EU (and the UK)
* Egypt and neighbors
* Canada
* Mexico
* Japan
* South Korea
* Most/all of Southeast Asia and the South Pacific
* South Africa
Oddly I see Australia sitting this one out, as their politics are far enough right to not want to go to war with their traditional allies (eg, the USA) but not left enough to support the response in any meaningful way. Something would have to force their involvement.
As for Central and South America, it's a mixed bag. Obviously some countries like El Salvador will support Trump, but I think most of them will defend Panama if they get involved at all. I certainly can't see Argentina and Chile being ok with just letting anybody pass Cape Horn.
Africa I just have no fucking clue. China has been involved in a lot of African countries in very big ways that the African countries aren't entirely happy about. They could take advantage of the circumstances to seize and nationalize Chinese assets within their borders, which puts them at odds with China/Russia/Israel/et allies and I think they would be pretty ok with that. South Africa in particular I think may take a more active role against the aggressors, given their position controlling the Cape of Good Hope.
Tldr if this plays out anything even remotely like what I've written here, and I really REALLY how it doesn't, we're all VERY FUCKED.
(This is a work of total conjecture, I'm probably wrong, so don't waste your breath telling me I'm wrong. That said some of my logic may not be obvious, so I'm happy to answer questions to clarify my thoughts)
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in reply to minnow • • •Placing the US, Russia and China as allies during a hypothetical WWIII? That's a VERY bold claim.
Also, really doubt the EU could use NATO to declare war on the US, as the US are still the vast majority of NATO's firepower and command.
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in reply to Gil Wanderley • • •Yeah and I just saw (after writing all that!) that Russia and China had warned the USA to not attack Iran, so I could absolutely be way off base there.
Edit: the logic had more to do with Russia's ambitions to reform their lost empire. Afaik it's widely believed that after Ukraine, Russia will go for Kazakhstan and possibly Afghanistan. It's less that I see Russia siding with the USA and Israel, and more that I think Russia will be opportunistic in its military expansion.
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BrainInABox
in reply to minnow • • •Whenever you see this phrase, it's going to followed by nonsense nobody serious believes.
The logic is that you went "oh, China and Russia are bad guy countries, so they'll go on the bad guy team, just like in the comic books!"
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •davel
in reply to minnow • • •Despite Western war propaganda to the contrary, Russia doesn’t presently have expansionist ambitions. Previously. Previously. Previously.
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in reply to minnow • • •We have no record of Pakistan saying that. Iran claimed Pakistan said that.
But in terms of what we do know Pakistan is doing, is it nominates Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
lostbit
in reply to minnow • • •Ayano
in reply to minnow • • •do pakistan has weapons to reach israel? and maintain offence for a week?
where's pakistan gonna buy weapons from, china?
davel
in reply to Ayano • • •Not only does Pakistan have weapons to reach Israel, it has nuclear weapons to reach it.
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan…
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen-…
Also, Pakistan borders Iran, which means together they could move such weapons much closer to Israel.
type of Medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM)
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in reply to minnow • • •I'll still tell you: You're the wrongest I've ever seen
Have you ever taken even a single look at the real world?
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in reply to minnow • • •It's not just conjecture, it's complete delusion. Pakistan never committed to put feet on the ground for Iran. It would be beyond idiotic considering the state the country is already in.
And even if all logic died and Pakistan somehow sent military support, Israel and the US are more than capable enough to handle it themselves. They don't need India's support and India, being the world's poster child for non-alignment, won't give it even if asked anyway.
It might be hard to understand but India has unironically been friendly with both Iran and Israel at the same time.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Well, I'm mildly surprised.
The suddenness kind of reminds me of when he bombed Assad.
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in reply to WoodScientist • • •It's obscene that the resistance forces need to keep appealing to international law in order to maintain credibility while isrl and the empire enact such wild and open terror and war crimes.
People fighting to liberate themselves from fucking nazis having to justify themselves to nazi sympathizers.
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in reply to wanderwisley • • •Why would I fight? I'll just dodge the draft and fasttrack my presidential campaign.
My platform is ABWA: America Becomes West Again. Everyone does horses, cowboy hats, and guns again. You wanna travel further than 3 towns over? Train.
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in reply to huppakee • • •All US Marshalls will be androids, so you feel ok shooting them while living as an outlaw.
You will need a Bachelor's in some liberal arts degree to qualify for the outlaw profession. Outlaws pay taxes only every other year, and are categorized as "self-employed" so you have to track your own taxes.
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Then, you're expected to topple your government, as much as you expect Iranians to bring down theirs. You're no better, expect you are on the dropping side of the bombs (and, sorry for the image, on the receiving side of Israel's dick).
Once you've done that and stop killing abroad, then you'll have some respect from the rest of the world. For the time being, no wonder airplanes inbound the US will stay half empty.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Just saw this earlier.
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in reply to RememberTheApollo_ • • •Did Trump Tweet Multiple Predictions That Obama Would Attack Iran?
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •When Bush got the US into a war in the middle east, he at least did it after a terrorist attack on the US (which had nothing to do with Iraq, but he was able to fudge that part), and as a result of the stupidity of Americans, he had a 60+% approval rating at the time.
Trump didn't even manage a false flag or anything, as a result, a lot of conservatives are pissed off about this. Probably not enough to crack the MAGA coalition, but every little bit chipped away from it helps. With margins in the senate and house so close, it's actually possible that he could be stopped by congress and the US doesn't become a failed state, instead merely becoming an illiberal democracy.
But, what I wonder is if this will actually win him any converts from the Democratic side. I bet there are ultra pro-Israel people who were formerly Democrats who actually think this is a good idea, and will now start supporting Trump. Still, I think he's going to lose 90 MAGAs for every 10 Democrats he gains.
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in reply to merc • • •merc
in reply to Subverb • • •The whole reason they're not doing anything is that the democrats (who might do something) are in the minority in both the house and senate, so what they can do (without breaking rules and norms) is very limited. The Republicans either don't want to do something because they support what Trump is doing, or they're scared to go against him.
If you get a dozen Republicans who are willing to go against Trump, suddenly the anti-Trump side has a majority, which gives them a massive amount of power to do something.
DancingBear
in reply to merc • • •OBJECTION!
in reply to merc • • •It was 90%. Only 10% of Americans were capable of resisting the massive propaganda apparatus that manufactures consent at the start of every war of aggression. Vietnam was also very popular at the start.
But you are right that he's doing this without a strong justification. From what I've seen, mainstream media is still on his side, they love war, great for business. Whether enough Americans have learned anything from the disaster of the War on Terror to make any sort of lasting dent in the number capable of resisting propaganda remains to be seen, you'd think Vietnam would have but it's always "different this time," and people are frequently "anti-war, except the current one."
merc
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •I don't think the media is necessarily "on his side". When the media sticks to just reporting the facts, people interpret it as the media taking the other side.
Also, his approval rating never got up to 90%. It was in the 80s in the days after 9/11 (which was sickening) but it dropped pretty quickly, and by the time the Iraq war began it was back down to almost 50%. It briefly went up after the war started, but then kept going down and down until he finally left office.
pewresearch.org/politics/2008/…
Bush and Public Opinion
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in reply to merc • • •Your source says a peak of 86%, Gallup got 90% but either way it was an overwhelming majority.
The media told all sorts of lies to justify the war in Iraq, more recently, the New York Times published a false story about Hamas committing mass rape, if you want to go further back they lied to get us into Vietnam, and in every case it takes time for the lies to be exposed and by the time they are, fewer people see the retractions and it's usually too late to do anything about it anyway. Even when they aren't lying, they're using biased language and framing to push their agenda, and their agenda is, as I said, always pro-war, because war sells papers and if they're hostile to the White House (especially with Trump in there) then they'll get press passes revoked and won't be privy to information they would otherwise receive. Never in my life have I seen widespread media condemnation of any military action (unless you count the withdrawal from Afghanistan), and I believe you'll see the same thing if you look in the past, in conflicts like Vietnam. When Trump launched an unprovoked missile strike on Syria, during his first term, these people jumped over each other to praise him, to say that "that was the moment he became presidential," even publications that had been very critical of him before.
None of the media people (just like none of the politicians) were ever held accountable in any way for lying the public into a war, which set a clear precedent that they can do so freely going forward. Worse yet, it's often the very same people in similar positions of power. If you think that they're trustworthy and not biased, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
Presidential Approval Ratings -- Gallup Historical Statistics and Trends
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in reply to OBJECTION! • • •A lie is something they were aware was not true and published it anyhow. What sources do you have that the media was publishing stories it knew weren't true about Iraq? What examples do you have?
What story are you talking about, and what specific allegations do you think it got wrong?
You're saying the media knowingly made up stories because they wanted to trick the US into going to war in Vietnam? What specific examples do you have of that? Again, if this is your claim, it isn't enough to show that they got some reports wrong. It's not even enough to show that they printed some things that in hindsight they should have known were wrong. Your bar is to prove that they knew ahead of time that they were publishing things they knew were untrue and did it for the express purpose of trying to get the US into war in Vietnam.
queermunist she/her
in reply to merc • • •I see what you're saying here: if the media prints lies from a government it's not the media lying, it's the government. If Israel says Hamas beheaded 40 babies and that's found out to be a lie, it wasn't the media lying about Hamas beheading 40 babies and so the media is entirely innocent of printing the lies fed to it by a government like Israel.
Here's the thing: if a government lies all the fucking time and the media keeps printing what the government claims anyway, then that makes them complicit in spreading the government's lies. We all know Israel's government spreads lies, so printing the lies it spread about Hamas is just doing the government's work for them. The media doesn't get to wash its hands of the things it prints just because it puts "Israel says" before the headline.
merc
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •If the government manages to fool the media, yeah. If the government says to the media "the truth is X, but we're going to pretend that it's Y, so you print Y, ok?" and then the media goes along with it, then you can blame the media. In many cases, the media isn't able to fact check the things the government tells them. But, relaying what the government is saying is still important. Similarly, even though the media can't independently fact check the numbers that the Gaza Health Ministry reports, it's still valuable to have those numbers released too.
If the media is lazy about their fact checking you can call them lazy, but you can't call them liars, because lying requires knowing the truth and intentionally saying something untrue.
If the government says "the truth is X" and then the media says "X is true" then sure, you're right. But, if the media says "the government said that the truth is X", then it's up to readers / viewers to understand that the media isn't endorsing what the government said as being true, the media is simply telling you what was said.
Why should it need to wash its hands? That is exactly what Israel said. Because Israel has a complete ban on reporters in Gaza, for example, there's no way to corroborate or refute what Israel said. It's newsworthy to repeat what Israel said, but you can't blame the media when someone reads that and assumes that the government is telling the truth. As you said yourself, the government lies all the time, so why would you assume that "the government said X happened" means that "X happened".
queermunist she/her
in reply to merc • • •If there's no way to corroborate or refute what Israel said, don't print what Israel said. Lies aren't newsworthy, except as a way to report on the lies themselves for the purpose of debunking them.
Remember when Israel first started bombing hospitals and blamed Islamic Jihad for it? They still don't claim responsibility for Al-Ahli Arab Hospital, but after a year of targeting hospitals and doctors it's ridiculous to deny it at this point.
Yet there were few retractions or corrections. As far as CNN and The Guardian are concerned, Israel didn't bomb that hospital. What a joke.
I don't think people make that assumption anymore, but that's because people stopped trusting the media. They published and promoted so many government lies that they've destroyed their own credibility.
People expect the media to investigate government claims and to publish the truth, not just parrot the lies they're fed. When the media doesn't do that, when all the major news outlets become court stenographers, people lose faith in the media.
Maybe people are expecting too much, but that's what people have been taught to expect. They were taught that journalists find the truth and report on it. They're finding out that journalists basically just print what their sources say and they can't just trust things because they're in the news anymore.
And it's going to get worse forever.
merc
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •Why? What they said is newsworthy.
"Israel bombed this building"
"Why?"
"Dunno, didn't ask."
Even if you don't believe the answer, getting an answer is still newsworthy. Everyone should be aware that it's not necessarily the truth, but it's newsworthy as the justification they're using. If it comes out later that the building was an orphanage, you can't use that to challenge the government's justification that it was a command and control center if you never got them on the record saying they bombed it because it was a command and control center.
queermunist she/her
in reply to merc • • •They don't report Russia's claims this way. They don't report Iran's claims this way.
And people can see it, which is why they don't trust the media anymore.
merc
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •cbc.ca/news/world/russia-ukrai…
reuters.com/business/aerospace…
kyivindependent.com/russian-dr…
aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/20…
france24.com/en/live-news/2025…
msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/biden-cl…
They report on Russia and Iran's claims exactly the same way they report on anyone else's claims.
Biden claims Trump is exaggerating about the situation at the border
MSNBCOBJECTION!
in reply to merc • • •Do you think they're so incompetent as to leave evidence laying around that they had advance knowledge? I wonder, if that's the bar you set for US media, do you also set the bar there for, say, Chinese media? If Chinese state media publishes something that's untrue, would you dispute someone calling it a lie if you didn't have access to some official document openly confessing to advance knowledge? Even if such records did exist, it's not as if I, a private citizen, could get a warrant to raid their offices for it. You're setting the standard unreasonably high, you're just trying to shut down reasonable skepticism and legitimate criticism in favor of blind trust. I mean, what kind of idiot would write down "I know this story is false but I want you to publish it anyway," and then leave it lying around where someone could find it, when there's absolutely no reason to?
Here is an Intercept article about the fake news story published by the NYT to justify Israeli aggression in Gaza.
That's not what I said at all. The US government wanted to go to war with Vietnam, the media simply wanted to win favor with the government and sell papers.
Were you aware that, in the aftermath of the Kent State Massacre, the vast majority of Americans placed more blame on the students for getting shot than on the National Guard for shooting them? Were you aware that, leading up to the shooting, there were all kinds of fake news stories on TV about how, for example, the protesters were putting LSD into the water supply? Stories that they conveniently retracted, after the moment had passed and the chance for a backlash was gone?
Anyway, the fact that they lie frequently isn't even the main point. The main currency of propaganda is not lies, it's emphasis. Biased framing and leading language are perfectly capable of shaping public opinion towards their agenda. Historical events that would justify or explain hostile actions of other countries are very rarely deemed relevant, and the same with internal politics that might show that only certain factions supported it. Our own crimes and acts of aggression are downplayed or ignored, so that when the other side retaliates, it seems to come out of nowhere.
For example, the 1953 coup in Iran, which was conducted by the CIA and successfully covered up for decades, demonstrates that even if Iran had a peaceful, democratic government, it would still likely be subject to US aggression so long as they tried to assert control over their own oil. The breakdown of relations in the 1979 revolution occurred when the revolutionaries took hostages at the US embassy, but what provoked that action was the US granting refuge to the deposed shah - the very same man who they had previously installed as a dictator in 1953. I think both of those events are very important to understanding US-Iranian relations, but you won't hear the news mention them, the hostage crisis is always presented as this unprovoked act of aggression.
This is just basic media literacy, really. You should always be skeptical and aware of bias and conflicts of interests with anything you read. Unfortunately, there's a tendency some people have to put certain sources on a pedestal as if critical thinking and skepticism isn't necessary when reading them.
The Story Behind the New York Times October 7 Exposé
Jeremy Scahill (The Intercept)merc
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •OBJECTION!
in reply to merc • • •merc
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •I don't know, but it definitely seems like it. OTOH, it seems like journalists really care about the truth and bend over backwards to fact check things.
So, are you admitting you can't actually find a single lie told by the press?
OBJECTION!
in reply to merc • • •So, are you admitting you can't actually find a single lie told by Vladimir Putin?
Where are you getting this, "seems like" he lies and "seems like" journalists care about truth and fact checking? Exactly the same number of "lies" have been produced for each in this conversation. I mean, I did link to a fake news story from the NYT but that doesn't count because I didn't break into their offices and find a signed confession.
You set an impossibly high standard for proof in the one case, but "seems like" is enough in the other, you're operating off pure vibes, or more accurately, your own bias and preconceptions, with zero critical thought.
But sure, I stand corrected, they didn't "lie" in those cases (since basically nobody ever lies, by your absurd standard), they just published blatant falsehoods at just the right time to advance their interests, then suddenly realized their "mistakes" as soon as what they wanted to happen happened.
~~Jesus loves me~~ The media is reliable, this I know, for the ~~Bible~~ media tells me so. Blind faith rivaling any Bible-thumper.
merc
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •I never made any claims about Putin. You, however, did make claims about the media. Back up your claims.
OBJECTION!
in reply to merc • • •merc
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •An impossible standard of evidence? You think proving someone lied is impossible? And yet, despite knowing you can't prove it, you want to throw around accusations that someone lied.
In that case, you're a liar. I don't need to prove it, because proving someone lied is impossible. I can just say you lied and then call it done.
OBJECTION!
in reply to merc • • •And there's the double standard, plain as day. To call me a liar, you would need to prove not only that I said something false, but also that I had knowledge and intent that it was false. Short of a signed confession, you cannot call me a liar, because it's impossible for you to read my mind. Perhaps I thought there was proof when there wasn't. Isn't that what you're saying is true of the media, for example, with the fake news story the NYT put out? If anyone's a liar here, it's you, for accusing me of lying when you can't meet your own standard of evidence for making that claim.
There's no point in reasoning with you any more than there is in reasoning with any other religious fanatic operating on blind faith and refusing to apply reason, skepticism, and critical thinking. You've simply chosen a worse God to worship.
merc
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •No, your new standard is "vibes". You have "vibes" that the media lies, so you get to call them liars. I'm appyling the same logic to what you say, liar.
OBJECTION!
in reply to merc • • •No, I presented plenty of evidence. The problem is that you consider anything short of 100% to mean 0% (only when it comes to the media, ofc). Like, you're expecting me to be able to prove it in a court of law, but obviously there are a lot of things that are true where the evidence doesn't meet that standard. Even in a court setting, there are situations where they'd be concerned with standards like "more likely than not" or "reasonable cause to believe" rather than the standard you're applying of, "beyond any reasonable doubt," for example, if I shot someone in self defense, I wouldn't have to prove "beyond any reasonable doubt" that they were trying to kill me, only that I had probable cause to believe that was the case. "Beyond any reasonable doubt" is only the standard for a conviction because the state's monopoly on violence creates a special danger for abuse, and because the state has special abilities and privileges that allow it to conduct investigations, beyond what a private citizen could. To hold private citizens to that standard as a requirement for their beliefs to be considered rational is completely and utterly insane.
I definitely have good reason to believe that the media lies, and I have presented plenty of evidence and arguments to that effect. What I can't do is present evidence like a signed confession, which obviously would never exist regardless of whether they're lying or not. If you want to come back down to earth, stop having blind faith in the media, and actually engage with the evidence I have presented, then we can have a discussion. I highly doubt that you have any interest in doing so, in fact, I'm sure that if I had presented the signed confession you're demanding, you'd dismiss it, move the goalposts, and say it was just an isolated incident. Because you prefer the comfort of your faith over facing the reality the evidence shows.
merc
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •You didn't present evidence of lying, you presented evidence that what they reported ended up being untrue. That's part of lying, and I don't dispute that part. The key part is that they knew that what they were reporting was untrue and they reported it anyway. You've presented no evidence to support that.
So, based on your rules, I can say you're a liar, because you've said some things that are not true, so I'm just going to assume that you know they're untrue and you're lying.
OBJECTION!
in reply to merc • • •That's so obviously a double standard. Apply my rules to both cases, and the media is lying, which means I'm telling the truth. Apply your rules in both cases, and the media isn't lying, and neither am I. The only possible way you can get to me being a liar is if you apply a more favorable standard to the media, and switch to a more unfavorable standard with me. It's literally the textbook definition of a double standard.
Your bias is so obvious, and it's also really fucking stupid. These people are not your friends. You're no different from people who go around stanning billionaires, against all sense and reason.
technocrit
in reply to merc • • •The dems have been supporting genocide for a long time. They've always been with Trump when it comes to anti-arab racism. Just look at their track record. Dems have constantly attacked Palestine, Syria, Iran, etc.
iranhumanrights.org/2013/04/cr…
Crippling Sanctions - Center for Human Rights in Iran
Amir (Center for Human Rights in Iran)D_C
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •"Ok Google. Send a tweet to xhitter. Say...
I am going to put certain WORDS in CAPS to accentuate them for REASONS that no one can really understand. Then I'm going to SPOUT bullshit about the traitors flying high miles away from any DANGER but I'll laughingly call them HEROIC and PATRIOTIC.
Then I'll touch my little mushroom peepee and do a nazi salute to MYSELF in the MIRROR.
Thank you for your attention to my EGO!!!
Send tweet.
Right, where the little kiddies at? I'm feeling super viagra masculine today!! Shit, how do I delete this. No, stop. Don't send. Everyone IGNORE that last bit about the kiddies!! Phew, got away with that! Hegseth. HEGSETH. change me, I've shit myself again. Get right in there and clean the folds."
Zerush
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •don't like this
geneva_convenience doesn't like this.
Nama [he/him]
in reply to Zerush • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Zerush • • •SupremeDonut
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Zerush
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •like this
geneva_convenience likes this.
prole
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in reply to Luccajan • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to Zerush • • •technocrit
in reply to Zerush • • •implicit religious values of a nation
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)technocrit
in reply to Luccajan • • •In reality nobody is actually fighting for "religion". They're actually fighting for nationalism, capitalism, etc.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_re…
implicit religious values of a nation
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to Zerush • • •zippo
in reply to Zerush • • •technocrit
in reply to Zerush • • •Gotta erase all those disgusting borders.
Likewise gotta end the most violent and brainwashed religion of them all: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_re…
implicit religious values of a nation
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Babalugats
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Zerush
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Typotyper
in reply to Zerush • • •Where are the 3 US bases in Canada.
I very much challenge that statement.
AdamEatsAss
in reply to Typotyper • • •LordWarfire
in reply to Typotyper • • •Zerush
in reply to Typotyper • • •Wikimedia list article
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Typotyper
in reply to Zerush • • •Both are very different than full blown bases or complete units.
MoonRaven
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •like this
geneva_convenience likes this.
Madison420
in reply to MoonRaven • • •TFO Winder
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in reply to __Lost__ • • •prole
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •- YouTube
www.youtube.comKorhaka
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Kinperor
in reply to Korhaka • • •tartarin
in reply to Korhaka • • •TFO Winder
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •This feels a lot like start of a WW3 for the third time in past few years.
First it was Russia-Ukraine war, then it was Israel Hamas conflict, now its this.
Rainbowblite
in reply to TFO Winder • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Rainbowblite • • •Indeed. WW2 was a massive slow-walk into the full war. Everyone saw it coming from a mile away and nobody did anything to stop it. Similar to now where everyone can see that this is going to open more fronts.
At one point all the fronts might band together with more and more suddenly joining each side, and boom you have WW3.
lemmyseizethemeans
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •GrammarPolice
in reply to TFO Winder • • •tartarin
in reply to TFO Winder • • •AntiOutsideAktion
in reply to TFO Winder • • •Stop acting like a genocide is a war
You're supporting it
TFO Winder
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •How the F*** can anyone use these two lines in a single paragraph. Absurdity here is comical
geneva_convenience
in reply to TFO Winder • • •selokichtli
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •sylver_dragon
in reply to TFO Winder • • •And now for your Five Minute Hate.
mobotsar
in reply to sylver_dragon • • •reddit_sux
in reply to TFO Winder • • •A perfect presentation of American thinking.
" we bomb you to have peace with you"
Corn
in reply to TFO Winder • • •NotASharkInAManSuit
in reply to TFO Winder • • •Tattorack
in reply to TFO Winder • • •Comical is... A word. I'm not even a smoker, but I feel like a cigarette and some liqueur.
I'm so fucking tired...
kent_eh
in reply to TFO Winder • • •We come in peace
^shoot to kill^
PolandIsAStateOfMind
in reply to TFO Winder • • •melsaskca
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Showroom7561
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •technocrit
in reply to Showroom7561 • • •martin4598
in reply to Showroom7561 • • •Robust Mirror
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •What an absolute joke.
I can just imagine him writing it, hunched over, peck-hunting for the keys. He starts typing bombs. No, he thinks. Slowly backspaces. Starts giggling to himself as he presses the caps lock key. "This will show them how serious I am about my bombs!"
peck peck peck "B-O-M-B-S"
Probably sits back in his chair admiring it for a moment. "Perfect. Very strong. Very powerful bombs."
Then immediately starts typing about peace in the same shouty caps because why not? Everything deserves caps lock! BOMBS! PEACE! WHATEVER!
Then ends it with "Thank you for your attention to this matter" like he just sent out a memo about updating the office dress code instead of announcing he bombed another country.
It's such a weirdly formal, corporate sign-off after the most unhinged announcement possible. As if bombing other countries is just another agenda item he's keeping us informed about. Very considerate of him to loop us in on World War III via Twitter memo.
Absolutely deranged.
GrammarPolice
in reply to Robust Mirror • • •mossberg590
in reply to GrammarPolice • • •GrammarPolice
in reply to mossberg590 • • •I can think of so many lmaoo
BigDiction
in reply to Robust Mirror • • •He’s used that sign off on a couple other messages. It is such an odd change of tone.
Makes me think it’s some weird manipulation tactic, or like the 17th time he says it it’s a code word to dismantle Congress or some shit.
Bwaz
in reply to BigDiction • • •That Weird Vegan
in reply to Robust Mirror • • •mkhopper
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Little baby Trump must have really had some diaper rash from all of the taco memes after he mentioned the two-week window.
Any American blood spilled by Iran if/when they retaliate will be on Trump's hands.
That Weird Vegan
in reply to mkhopper • • •londos
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •OBJECTION!
in reply to londos • • •kent_eh
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •It's called the "who's gonna stop me" card.
Bullies like to play that one as often as possible.
vfreire85
in reply to OBJECTION! • • •Corkyskog
in reply to londos • • •tartarin
in reply to Corkyskog • • •Trainguyrom
in reply to tartarin • • •bieren
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •F_OFF_Reddit
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Randomgal
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in reply to Randomgal • • •tartarin
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in reply to tartarin • • •SuperiorOne
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •The worst part is, international laws and conventions are basically means nothing at this point. US actions simply incentivizes more countries to get mass-destruction weapons.
Thanks to these maniacs, Kim Jong Un now seems to be wisest person on the earth...
Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
in reply to SuperiorOne • • •The historical materialism is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.
Trainguyrom
in reply to SuperiorOne • • •ConkSat | LinkedIn
ConkSatGammelfisch
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •technocrit
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •This statement from Trump is unsurprisingly disinformation. Most people interpret "nuclear sites" as nuclear bombs instead of completely legal power stations for civilian infrastructure.
Please don't recite this disinformation uncritically. That's just recycling propaganda.
Instead it's worth emphasizing that the zio regime actually has rogue nukes and is using them to threaten the planet with a nuclear holocaust. That's the actual problem.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_O…
theoretical Israeli nuclear second strike capability in event of cataclysmic military destruction to the country, used as a deterrent
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)brucethemoose
in reply to technocrit • • •To be fair, Iran wants a nuke down the line, and civilian uranium enrichment is a huge stepping stone. There’s lots of technical alternatives they could pursue if they really just want civilian power.
…And that’s kinda understandable. They have a neighbor that randomly bombs their civilians.
Fuck it, let them have one.
Heck, they should get a tiny bit of old Soviet+US stock in some kind of international deal, so they have credible deterrence with the guaranteed stability+security mechanisms (and oversight?) of their weapons.
(To be more specific, Cold War nukes typically have elaborate tiggers and failsafes meant to stop unauthorized parties from detonating them with any nuclear yield, and the old school Soviet and US systems are pretty good. Better for them to have that than an “insecure” home cooked design they waste money on, like the North Koreans allegedly have, IMO. On top of that, they’d have “known” detonation signatures, so if they ever go off everyone would know it’s Iran (defeating the fear of them “losing” a nuke to another party, or a false flag op against Iran)).
lorty
in reply to brucethemoose • • •brucethemoose
in reply to lorty • • •Yes, and that was a cruel, stupid move on the US’s part.
…But even if cooperation continued, it still would have given Iran expertise. Further enrichment is not a huge step, especially behind the cover of real civilian power programs, and given the rhetoric the state broadcasts and their neighbor’s hostility, it seems likely.
And that’s fine IMO.
I’m hugely afraid of proliferation, but going to these lengths to worry about it while the rest of the world burns seems ridiculous.
Bloomcole
in reply to brucethemoose • • •It is most definitely a huge step and there are many other factors.
It's really complicated matter.
I wish for them it wasn't and that they get one.
davel
in reply to brucethemoose • • •CanadaPlus
in reply to technocrit • • •Dr_Vindaloo
in reply to CanadaPlus • • •"Highly enriched uranium (HEU) is anything enriched above 20% and weapon-grade uranium is commonly considered to have been enriched above 90% U-235. However, some research reactors use 90% enriched U-235 to produce medical isotopes, so there are civilian applications for this fuel too."
armscontrolcenter.org/uranium-…
Fact Sheet: Uranium Enrichment: For Peace or for Weapons - Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation
Rowan Humphries (Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation)CanadaPlus
in reply to Dr_Vindaloo • • •tartarin
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •That Weird Vegan
in reply to tartarin • • •CircaV
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •tHe PeAcE pReSiDeNt
(Rather, the clown president)
Gotta feed $ to Raytheon, Halliburton, Lougheed Martin & the billionaire class.
🤷🤷♀️🤷♂️
LOL impeachable AF but the US 😴😴😴
lemmyseizethemeans
in reply to CircaV • • •Meanwhile the voice of the opposition Chuck Schumer: “If TACO Trump is already folding on Iran, the American people need to know about it. No side deals,”
The war government
Clot
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •International laws doesnt exist for amrika.
Fucking scum
But_my_mom_says_im_cool
in reply to Clot • • •This community is in trouble. America bombed and colonized my country. But I said it’s time America gets to feel war at home, instead of just dropping bombings on brown countries and i got my comments removed, like this one probably will be.
If you can criticize Israel, Iran, Russia, but not the U.S, you know this community is screwed. Im indigenous/Latino and I’m getting banned for saying the U.S deserves what’s coming
beveradb
in reply to But_my_mom_says_im_cool • • •boaratio
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Bloomcole
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •There are theories online that say it was a symbolic attack and that they even warned Iran where and when they would strike.
First some technical stuff and facts:
There is much doubt even bunker busters would do significant dammage to Iranian facilities.
At an estimated 90 -120 meters depth they are well below the range of their capabilities (60 meters).
And they are heavily protected by various layers and nobody knows where they are exactly.
Only the entrance and building on the surface is visible.
The US have only used them once against Yemen and claim they could go deeper by doing double taps.
This has obviously never been tested.
Now some speculation:
The Americans knew they only had a small chance of success (despite the reported mission success propaganda) and 100% certainty of committing an act of war.
Then why would they do it?
Fact is the genocide state is getting hit harder and harder, as Iran announced they would.
There is huge devastation and the situation is untenable.
They realise they have bitten off more than they can chew and already showed signs of weakness.
The US 'taking out' the imaginary threat and casus belli would solve that problem and give the genociders a way out of the war without losing face.
As the Iranians said they would stop attacking if they did.
For Trump it would OC be a huge media victory showing how powerful they are and how they saved the poor genociders.
Too soon to tell what is true for now.
We'll have to see what the actual dammage is, if Iran strikes back and if the war ends.
BarneyPiccolo
in reply to Bloomcole • • •Bloomcole
in reply to BarneyPiccolo • • •They also filled the entrances with truckloads of sand.
They were prepared.
Also no noticable seismic activity apparently on IRIS (didn't check), which is strange since they work by creating a mini earthquake.
Zerush
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Zerush • • •pyre
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Ba…
US Navy installation in San Diego, California, United States
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Bloomcole
in reply to pyre • • •Is it really a surprise?
theguardian.com/world/2012/feb…
vice.com/en/article/marines-ne…
theguardian.com/us-news/2025/a…
And I've only looked for 30 seconds.
Fears over extremism in US military as soldier revealed as neo-Nazi TikTok follower
Ben Makuch (The Guardian)pyre
in reply to Bloomcole • • •Zerush
in reply to pyre • • •It's still the same in 2025
They used $14 millon to renove the Bathrooms-
narwhal
in reply to Zerush • • •bieren
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •drolex
in reply to bieren • • •sonoro
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •HiddenLayer555
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •It's fitting because at the end of that episode, they learn that the US was in fact the alien invaders declaring war on other planets.