Benvenuto nel Poliverso

"We can just vote our way into making it work!" 😁🙄

#memes

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davel

in reply to jackeroni • 2 mesi fa • •

Just vote blue no matter who¹.

Some, restrictions, . ↩︎

Court Concedes DNC Had the Right to Rig Primaries Against Sanders

The court affirmed that the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Hillary Clinton.

^{Michael Sainato (Observer)}

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小莱卡

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Libs when voting for the "lesser evil"

Ukrainian UAV Bombs Filled With Banned Agent Chloropicrin Found in DPR - Russia's FSB

Of course, completely expected that the Nazis would resort to chemical warfare when the chips are down

Ukrainian UAV Bombs Filled With Banned Agent Chloropicrin Found in DPR - Russia's FSB

A Ukrainian Armed Forces cache of homemade bombs for drones filled with banned chemical warfare agent chloropicrin discovered in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said on Tuesday.

^{Sputnik International}

#Worldnews

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Schorsch

in reply to jackeroni • 2 mesi fa • •

Is this "DPR" in the room with us right now?

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m532

in reply to Schorsch • 2 mesi fa • •

Of course, it's the Donetsk People's Republic

Drones Intercepted Near Base Hosting U.S. Troops In Iraq’s Kurdistan (Videos)

Two drones were shot down late on July 1 over the province of Sulaymaniyah in the northern Iraqi semi-autonomous region...

^{Anonymous1199 (South Front)}

#Worldnews

NATO has picked a new ‘threat’ to bully

Of course they did, damn imperialism knows no bounds 🙄

NATO has picked a new ‘threat’ to bully

The alliance’s latest summit avoided confronting China but could not cover up the efforts to contain the Asian great power

^RT

#Worldnews

Three Years of Nix and NixOS: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

A review of Nix/NixOS after using it on all my machines for three years. I'll cover what works, what doesn't, and why it's the first OS that's stuck with me.

^{Pierre Zemb's Blog}

#linux

like this

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Agreed with the article. There’s lots to dislike about Nix, but even with those downsides, NixOS is still better than any OS I’ve tried. Install an update and it’s borked? No worries. New PC and you want everything set up just like your old one? Copy one file over and it’s set up for you.

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Vincent

in reply to ThisDayForwardBetty • 2 mesi fa • •

Copy one file over and it’s set up for you.

So, I've only played around with NixOS on a Raspberry Pi, but... Don't people usually split their config up in multiple files, and then store than in a Git repository?

The process then still is: check out that Git repository, except there's another step: copy over your private key so that you can decrypt your secrets.

Is that correct? Or did I make things needlessly complex for myself?

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dblsaiko

in reply to Vincent • 2 mesi fa • •

I don’t have any secrets in my config or a private key or anything and I’m currently running 4 servers from the same config (it used to be 8 or even more machines at some point even, including desktops).

But yes, it’s a multi-file config, it would be absolutely crazy to not split it up with how large it is.

systems - NixOS system configurations

^{git.dblsaiko.net}

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Vincent

in reply to dblsaiko • 2 mesi fa • •

Is that just because your four servers aren't used for anything that need a secret? e.g. I wanted to put my wifi password in there, and the password for my user account.

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balsoft

in reply to Vincent • 2 mesi fa • •

The process then still is: check out that Git repository, except there’s another step: copy over your private key so that you can decrypt your secrets.

I store my secrets in a separate private git repo and automatically decrypt them with my hardware key (github.com/balsoft/nixos-confi…) so for me it's literally just plug in my yubikey and nixos-install github:balsoft/nixos-config#hostname

nixos-config/modules/secrets.nix at master · balsoft/nixos-config

Mirror of https://code.balsoft.ru/balsoft/nixos-config - balsoft/nixos-config

^GitHub

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Vincent

in reply to balsoft • 2 mesi fa • •

How do you access the private Git repo then? Don't you need a secret to access it?

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balsoft

in reply to Vincent • 2 mesi fa • •

The ssh key to access the private git repo is on the same yubikey as the decryption key (they are technically different GPG slots but I don't need to care about that, just plug the key in, type in the pin, and it all works automagically)

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Vincent

in reply to balsoft • 2 mesi fa • •

That's neat!

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to Vincent • 2 mesi fa • •

Way over complex lol. I don't copy anything to online source for better or worse. I auto script backups. The only backups you'll ever need are nix config. Nothing else aside from your home folder obviously. With those two you can boot on any machine, anytime, as if you never left. I am not shilling. It's been dead stable so far, aside from tweaks I done to break my own builds testing.

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Vincent

in reply to OhVenus_Baby • 2 mesi fa • •

Hmm yeah, I guess the question is: is it overly complex if I do want to store my backup of my Nix config online, version-controlled, preferably publicly?

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to Vincent • 2 mesi fa • •

If you do then your golden. That's the way to go. I dislike online things. Personal preference. There's advantages going the GIT method as well.

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in reply to Vincent • 2 mesi fa • •

No. There are many of us that do that, I do, I found two random people online that did that and used their configs as a help when I was learning.

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to ThisDayForwardBetty • 2 mesi fa • •

Unsure about dislikes. You have any desktop spin as you want, complete freedom, immutable, a single small file governs your entire system. I daily Nix currently and I haven't found an easier distro. I'm not super advanced and I did a full custom build, luks, tweaks, full app installs from scratch. Booted up as if I never left my old PC. Nix is the shit. Most everyone's concerns are overblown. Most haven't used it beyond a simple test run or few. The slight learning curve of your config syntax and that's it. I came from mint then from windows. Newcomers you can do it too!!

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Cyberwolf

in reply to ThisDayForwardBetty • 2 mesi fa • •

Install an update and it’s borked? No worries

OpenSUSE also does this.

New PC and you want everything set up just like your old one?

Install scripts? Of course the individual apps definitions still need to be set up again, but I'd imagine it's the same for Nix?

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Irdial

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

This is a well-written post. I agree that “friction” involved with small changes and incompatibility with some Linux binaries are significant downsides. I think NixOS makes a lot of sense for development environments, but it’s not my preference for a personal device

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traches

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

I like the idea of nixos, but I feel like it makes a bunch of daily sacrifices in order to optimize a task I do once every few years? I hardly ever get a new computer, but I install/uninstall/update/tweak packages on my system all the time. With a dotfile manager and snapshots, I get most of the benefit without any of the drawbacks.

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Flipper

in reply to traches • 2 mesi fa • •

It also is an option to ensure everyone has the same dev environment.

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atzanteol

in reply to Flipper • 2 mesi fa • •

Meh. So is docker.

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Mihies

in reply to atzanteol • 2 mesi fa • •

The docker is not bare metal though.

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utopiah

in reply to Mihies • 2 mesi fa • •

Does it matter if the overhead is practically irrelevant?

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trevor (he/they)

in reply to utopiah • 2 mesi fa • •

The biggest downside to containers vs. Nix for me is that Nix can produce binaries for Linux and macOS, whereas docker only helps with Linux unless you can perform literal magic to cross-compile your project on Linux for macOS.

Containers also don't give you reproducible environments, and Nix does.

That said, Nix documentation is ass, so I usually end up going with containers because they require far less suffering to get working because writing a containerfile is much easier than guessing how to hobble together a Nix flake with a mostly undocumented language.

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atzanteol

in reply to trevor (he/they) • 2 mesi fa • •

Containers also don't give you reproducible environments, and Nix does.

Of course it does. 🙄

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trevor (he/they)

in reply to atzanteol • 2 mesi fa • •

Care to elaborate? Containers give you repeatable environments, which are not the same thing as reproducible environments.

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atzanteol

in reply to trevor (he/they) • 2 mesi fa • •

docker build . -t docker.company.com/build-env:1.0 && docker push docker.company.com/build-env:1.0

But for like 99% of development teams "repeatable" is Good Enough(tm).

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trevor (he/they)

in reply to atzanteol • 2 mesi fa • •

So, containers do not get you reproducibility.

For dev environments, repeatable is okay. If you want actually reproducible binaries that you can ship, Nix is better fit for that purpose.

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atzanteol

in reply to trevor (he/they) • 2 mesi fa • •

So, containers do not get you reproducibility.

You absolutely do. If you build a container and publish it you will pull down that exact thing every time. How is that not "reproducibility"?

You no what though? Scratch that - who gives a fuck? Bit-for-bit reproducibility takes far more effort than it's worth anyway. Even NixOS isn't completely reproducible. It's a false goal.

For dev environments, repeatable is okay.

It's well more than good enough you mean.

If you want actually reproducible binaries that you can ship, Nix is better fit for that purpose.

Nobody really needs that.

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trevor (he/they)

in reply to atzanteol • 2 mesi fa • •

🤡

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gedhrel

in reply to trevor (he/they) • 2 mesi fa • •

I'm not quite sure why you fetishise a bit-for-bit over semantic equivalence. Doesn't it turn "it works on my machine" into "it works on my machine as long as it has this sha: ... "?

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trevor (he/they)

in reply to gedhrel • 2 mesi fa • •

I'm not quite sure why you think pointing out someone's confidently incorrect claim that containers do give you reproducible environments means that I fetishsize anything?

But if you genuinely want to know why reproducibility is valuable, take a look at reproducible-builds.org/.

I was quite happy to see that Debian and Arch have both made great strides into making tooling that enables reproducible packages in recent times. It's probable that, because of efforts like this, creating reproducible builds will become easier/possible on most Linux environments, including traditional container workflows.

For now though, Nix Flakes are much better at enabling reproducible builds of your software than traditional containers, if you can suffer through Nix not being documented very well. This article covers some more details on different build systems and compares them with Nix Flakes if you want more concrete examples.

FWIW, I think that containers are awesome, and using them for dev environments and CI tooling solves a lot of very real problems ("it works on my machine", cheap and easy cross-compilation for Linux systems, basic sandboxing, etc.) for people. I use containers for a lot of those reasons. But if I need to make something reproducible, there are better tools for the job.

Reproducible Development Environments with Nix Flakes

Using Nix Flakes allows pinning operation system level dependencies and make it easier for engineers to share development environments. Nix can guarantee that everyone has the same version of the interpreter, compiler, libraries, etc.

^{Gabor Nagy (:: aigeruth)}

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utopiah

in reply to trevor (he/they) • 2 mesi fa • •

Feels very arbitrary. Why would I care about say MacOS versus FreeBSD or say NeXTSTEP (just to be provocative)?

Anyway I'm being pulled away from the actual argument, the "bare metal" argument is about performances, isn't it?

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iopq

in reply to utopiah • 2 mesi fa • •

Yes, the systems people actually use vs every system that exists. Very arbitrary

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utopiah

in reply to iopq • 2 mesi fa • •

What I mean is that MacOS is proprietary and runs on specific hardware, it's by design not meant to be interoperable so it's not "just" popularity.

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Mihies

in reply to utopiah • 2 mesi fa • •

It could if there are issues accessing hardware directly. Overhead is, as you said, not that important.

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utopiah

in reply to Mihies • 2 mesi fa • •

Isn't it what passthrough is for?

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atzanteol

in reply to Mihies • 2 mesi fa • •

sigh, yes it is.

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Phoenix3875

in reply to traches • 2 mesi fa • •

For DevOps, it provides consistency for every CI run and production deployment, especially when a whole system needs to be shipped.

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to Phoenix3875 • 2 mesi fa • •

I'm always on the go, swapping PCs, travelling for medical reasons. Buy, sell, trade hardware. Nix allows me to boot into my system as if I never left with a simple hardware config update script. Rock solid consistency.

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Cyberwolf

in reply to OhVenus_Baby • 2 mesi fa • •

Is your hardware always the exact same? Because if it isn't, then I'm sure you have to do modifications to your config file. And at that point you night as well just use a regular distro instead.

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to Cyberwolf • 2 mesi fa • •

So what the main hassle of switching is that you have to run your hardware file to update for your new hardware, then inside your Nix config rarely will I ever have to edit things (maybe UUIDS if totally new machine fresh nix install/but I usually ssd swap for ease of transition and speed, or even clonezilla multiple drives and use as needed) even drivers for example. I've got auto scripts setup to run that will automatically pull any drivers or updates from the base system nix update to any drivers.

There's really only two files you ever have to touch that I've used. Nix hardware, nix config. Once hardware is updated for which system you on you'll never touch that until you boot a new machine with different hardware. If you setup nix how it's supposed to be. Nix config is your master file. A single backup of that and when setup correctly. I can boot like I never left my machine. I'm talking librewolf still has my accounts open and logged in. VPN works. It's all seamless damn near.

You have to learn to play within nixos sandbox meaning understand what your capable of doing and do it all inside config. With a few auto scripts, and 3 or 4 common commands on desktop page for whatever you wanna do and its terminal and memory hands off. I've what I call dumb Monkey commented my entire config and its in order if boot process from power on machine to boot, etc to shutdown.

A regular distro still poses many many more challenges when hardware swapping. You have different files to remember fstab, etc etc which can lead to mental memory load and system clutter if you didn't build and maintain a perfect system from the beginning with stuff like files, sym links, all sorts if tweaks you've made over time.

So I switched to nix to mitigate those things. Now I've made a master config file copy, auto updates, backups, etc is all automated in the background now. All contained in my nix config. It's supremely stable. Mental load is zero. Fills my use case. Immutable.

You have nothing to lose and only to gain. Pick any desktop environment and setup to your liking. I came from windows, to mint, to full custom nix all my apps, browsers, luks, apparmour, firejail, the whole stack.

I've tried live boots of many other distributions but this is the cleanest, leanest, most manageable of them all. My only true concern is project lasting long-term. For now. Aside from not having GUFW. I'm happy. I think there's just a lot if misinfo and lack of hands on use from most people or incorrectly setup systems to utilize how nix should be ran. I think that should iron out over time.

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iopq

in reply to Cyberwolf • 2 mesi fa • •

You run the script that generates hardware config file for you, it's literally one command

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msherburn33

in reply to Cyberwolf • 2 mesi fa • •

You can manage multiple machines with a single Nix configuration git repository and modularize the configuration as much as you want. You can have a config with a desktop environment that you skip on servers, override individual variables for a specific host or do whatever you want. You can even remote deploy it all with a simple nixos-rebuild build --target-host "user@host" and it works across different architectures too (e.g. build on your fast x86 machine and deploy to a slow RaspberryPi).

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ZeStig

in reply to Cyberwolf • 2 mesi fa • •

Totally wrong. Even then, disko makes things easy.

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feddup

in reply to traches • 2 mesi fa • •

Loved nixOS but couldn't install PIA VPN gui and disliked the workarounds. Also doing .net dev was more awkward than I liked so went back to Arch and wrote some scripts to install all the packages I want instead. Love the idea of nixOS though.

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iopq

in reply to feddup • 2 mesi fa • •

Package your own if you need it

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feddup

in reply to iopq • 2 mesi fa • •

I have no idea how and given there's been a lot of people asking the same thing I don't think it's as trivial as packaging some binaries.

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Ephera

in reply to traches • 2 mesi fa • •

I feel like setting up a new machine is just the easiest to explain.

Personally, I find dotfiles messy, as you often just want to change one or two settings, but you always carry along the whole file with all kinds of irrelevant other settings. This also makes it impractical to diff two versions of those dotfiles, especially when programs write semi-permanent settings into there.

I guess, your mileage will vary depending on what programs or desktop environment you use.
For example, I love KDE, but they really don't do a good job keeping the config files clean. Nix Plasma-Manager generally fixes that, and for example allows defining the contents of the panel in a readable form.

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to Ephera • 2 mesi fa • •

I think you over complicating your view here. I daily nix. Your not carrying a bunch if dot files. You have one. A single nix. Config. That's it. It's not big, long, messy, what so ever. I have mine commented by section from boot order to auto updates and backups. Your talking about 150 lines of extremely short and almost self explanatory code. I came from mint having never used nix. I figured it out doing a custom luks install and the whole custom build from scratch in no time.

Your diff issue is overblown. The edits you make are small and you cannot get lost in multiple configs unless your doing entire system writes which you would never do. I use a dead light weight diff GUI or terminal. This has to be one if the cleanest, maintenance free distros I have ever used.

It doesn't seem you have truly driven Nix with this take. No program writes directly to your config, even if there was say your temp scenario you reboot and temps would wipe away like you never did them unless you rebuild nix config. Most of your concerns would fall away once you really drove nix to see how it functions.

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in reply to OhVenus_Baby • 2 mesi fa • •

Ephera isn't talking about nix when they say dot files.

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Ephera

in reply to OhVenus_Baby • 2 mesi fa • •

Yeah, you understood my comment entirely the wrong way around. When I say "dotfiles", I mean the non-Nix way of managing application configurations. Nix Home-Manager happens to write to these dotfiles, but that means I don't have to deal with the dotfiles myself.

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to traches • 2 mesi fa • •

I've used nixos exclusively lately. It's been awesome. No system scatter, clutter. It'd immutable. There's very slight driver hassle (you don't have GUI for drivers so a simple terminal command fetches everything you need.) in cinnamon. I came from mint. I have all basic commands in executable files on desktop for ease of hassle. It's not about rebuilding the system. Its about being hands off. Next to zero maintenance because not much in your system gets altered. I went for a full custom install from terminal. The only thing I personally miss being GUI is a firewall like UFW or GUFW.

Overall its more rock solid and workable than likely every distro I have ever tried. The feature set is nice, easy rollbacks, fucking cake backups. All you have to know is your entire system lives on one small editable file called nix. Configuration. Keep it in a micro SD or USB or any backup and it's as if you never left. Any changes you want you simply tweak in the config then reboot. If it breaks then select your previous gen number on boot and your exactly where you was before.

I diff my edits and keep copies, run auto backups, and more. It's so hands off that I haven't found a better replacement yet. My single biggest concern is long-term viability in the project.

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dinckel

in reply to traches • 2 mesi fa • •

This is a good example of what people consistently overlook/misunderstand, when it comes to Nix.

Obviously you can remount a /home, or just pull the dotfiles from a personal repo, but the strength of Nix is also in that I can re-create my entire config exactly how it is defined. If i were to setup a machine completely from scratch, with a mature enough config, it will get me from 0 to my exact desktop completely unattended.

But there are also many more advantages to it, at least in my eyes. Let's take trying/tweaking new packages as an example. Yesterday I pulled an old repo for an Outer Wilds mod. The thing needs a dev environment, and a mod manager for the actual game. A nix shell got me both, I finished my work, and when I exit out of fish, both are gone, just as I wanted them to be.

Another good example would be partial os updates. I've used Arch for almost 9 years before switching to Nix, and pretty much a top3 Arch rule is not doing partial updates, or partial rollbacks. In case of a breakage, I would have to manually redownload an older version of a tarball, pacman -U the package, and then hope i'm not cooked. In the case of gcc incompatibilities, it can quickly become a massive pain in the ass. My nix flake would never experience this problem, because I already have two different scenarios available - either i build based on an older lockfile from my git repo, or I create an overlay for a specific input I need, so that it still pulls what it needs, and doesn't interfere with the rest of my system

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iopq

in reply to traches • 2 mesi fa • •

You only have one machine? I benefit from sharing configs between the laptop and the desktop. They are not the same, but I can easily copy paste a complex service I defined in my desktop to do the same thing on my laptop

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traches

in reply to iopq • 2 mesi fa • •

I have a desktop, laptop, and a few VMs and servery things. Dotfile manager (yadm, which is a git wrapper) to sync personal settings, everything else I just do manually. The system-level configs are either different enough that standardizing them isn’t very helpful, or no more complicated than installing packages and activating services.

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iopq

in reply to traches • 2 mesi fa • •

Activating services is the specific task NixOS is great at, you can just add it and it downloads the packages and starts it and generates the configs

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traches

in reply to iopq • 2 mesi fa • •

Yeah, I’ll probably switch eventually I’m just trying to talk myself out of it because I don’t have the time to learn right now

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Ephera

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

Personally, the stepping stone I needed to know about is Nix Home-Manager, which basically allows you to manage your dotfiles independent of the distro. From what I understand, if I do switch to NixOS, I'll continue using this code with just some minor tweaks.

But yeah, I agree with the verdict in the post. I like it a lot, but I would not have made it past the initial learning curve, if I didn't happen to be a software engineer. Sysadmins will probably be able to figure out how to put it to use, too. But it's just not for non-technical Linux users.

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to Ephera • 2 mesi fa • •

Untrue. I came from windows, to Linux mint, then now I daily nix. I'm an average person who prefers to be terminal hands off. I did a full custom install from my mint setup to nix, apps, luks, the entire swap and booted as if I never left basically. I faltered a few times and had to select previous generations in my boot menu but honestly it'd because somehow I fucked up my UUIDs. The learning curve is there but let me assure you it's minimal in terms of linux, and it's dead stable because nothing changes without you doing it. In 1000 years it should still be running Unadultered.

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utopiah

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

Meanwhile me as a barbarian installing Debian and copying my ~/.bashrc file (and a few others) if not just remounting /home/ in the new installation every few years.

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9488fcea02a9

in reply to utopiah • 2 mesi fa • •

One of my machines i've been just upgrading in place since debian 8. No need for new installation

Debian isn't barbaric at all.

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SavvyWolf

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

Skipped to the "ugly" part of the article and I kind of agree with the language being hard?

I think a bigger problem is that it's hard to find "best practices" because information is just scattered everywhere and search engines are terrible.

Like, the language itself is fairly simple and the tutorial is good. But it's a struggle when it comes to doing things like "how do I change the source of a package", "how do I compose two modules together" and "how do I add a repo to a flake so it's visible in my config". Most of this information comes from random discourse threads where the responder assumes you have a working knowledge of the part of the codebase they're taking about.

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to SavvyWolf • 2 mesi fa • •

I always aim at packages and issued inside my nix config cuts all this hassle out atleast for me.. Ive got everything pretty meticulously commented and in order of boot process and in general running step by step order. I'm pretty sure I dumb monkey could figure out how it runs. I came from windows then mint then nix. To give you an idea of my PC knowledge. I think the whole point if nix is to keep the system contained and not scattered. I see many posters mentioning system scatter on nix as an issue and I have no idea how theu managed to complicate one if the simplest systems I've ever used as far as clean, tidy, goes.

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elucubra

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

I wonder why nobody has created a simple gui for Nixconfig.

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ch8zer

in reply to elucubra • 2 mesi fa • •

Something like this is really hard to make a gui for. I suppose a GUI would only be useful for discovering config values?

Either way, a gui would likely look like YAST on OpenSuse.

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frozencow

in reply to elucubra • 2 mesi fa • •

Someone has done just that: github.com/snowfallorg/nixos-c…
It is part of snowflakeos.org/, though I don't know about its developments atm.

GitHub - snowfallorg/nixos-conf-editor: A libadwaita/gtk4 app for editing NixOS configurations

A libadwaita/gtk4 app for editing NixOS configurations - snowfallorg/nixos-conf-editor

^GitHub

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iopq

in reply to frozencow • 2 mesi fa • •

It's less simple than text because it actually takes more space to view the same amount of configs.

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elucubra

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

For rollbacks, I've been using Timeshift in Mint, and it has worked brilliantly.

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phantomwise

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

I've been stuck on Nix for two weeks because I thought it would be a good idea to put a distro I had never used but that wouldn't break on my backup laptop in case my main one ever broke. I just couldn't force myself to install debian, not that I have anything against debian, it's just... kinda boring, while Nix seemed very interesting. IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME I SWEAR.

Guess what happened... I broke Arch. Then I reinstalled and the next day the laptop broke. Then the next day I tried to get my data back and the hard drive broke. So, backup laptop with Nix for two weeks...

I really really really like the declarative stuff. Installing packages through config files is so nice I'll never lose track of what I've installed ever again 🥰 🥰 🥰 I was already using a git repo for all my config files + GNU Stow to symlink everything to its proper place, so adding the .nix configs to that setup was very easy.
Having a clean system on rebuild is great. No more clutter left everywhere that I don't know about, no more half broken stuff left lying around.

But...
- It's not Arch. Not Nix's fault, but I kept hearing that it would be "like Arch but declarative"... and it's really not 😑 Everything seems over-complicated vs as simple as possible.
- I absolutely hate the language.
- What's with those error messages from hell???
- And speaking of hell, every language that can't just use indentations like YAML instead of cluttering the code with {} and [] and () should have been relegated to the darkest pit of hell 20 years ago. But points to Nix for being less awful than JSON (the comma on every line but not the last thingy make me want to build a time machine to go murder the grandparents of whoever thought it was a good idea)
- Packages are out of date even in the unstable branch (I know it's unfair since it's not trying to be a rolling release... but... but...)
- Where are the source packages? Is that an Arch only thing? I liked having packages that automatically use the latest git commit without needing to manually install from source and manually reinstall each time I want an update like a medieval peasant... 😭
- Nix packages are weird. Even someone who's terrible at coding like me can read Arch PKGBUILDS... I miss you Arch 😢
- Apps not working because of paths that don't exist on Nix... what do you mean I need to patch the package myself? 😭 But at least there's steam-run, great preserver of what's left of my sanity.
- ~~Can't wrap my head around installing some stuff like VSCode extensions (the advice I got was "don't bother just do it imperatively...)~~ (Edit: Finally figured it out!!!)
- Wiki is often sparse on info and not very helpful if you don't already know what you are doing (and I clearly don't 😅)
- Hidden configs. Some stuff works on its own like pipewire even though I haven't installed or configured it (I went with a minimal install that just gave me a tty then build from there, no DE), and how it's already configured is not in the default config files. It's very confusing not knowing why some stuff works and how it's configured by default.

But it's kinda growing on me. Like mold. Or cancer. Brain cancer.

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nullpotential

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

You use a lot of emojis.

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phantomwise

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Yes emoji use is proportional to the decrease in my sanity after those two weeks

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nullpotential

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

Relatable.

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phantomwise

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I'm sure it'll get better once I'm more used to it, just venting a bit. Sorry for the rant

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Bluefruit

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

I found this very entertaining lol. And it also confirms I made the right choice not using Nix as my daily driver. This sounds like a headache.

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phantomwise

in reply to Bluefruit • 2 mesi fa • •

Yes it's a headache if you don't have a clue what you're doing and suck at coding like me, but the good parts might make the headache worth it depending on what you want of your distro. A week ago I couldn't wait to get a new laptop to reinstall Arch, but now I'm actually wondering if I should keep trying Nix... OH GOD HAVE I CAUGHT THE NIX BRAIN CANCER? 😭

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eecobb

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

I wonder what your thoughts on guix would be, especially considering your thoughts on the language

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a Kendrick fan

in reply to eecobb • 2 mesi fa • •

I'm just seeing your comment after I recommended Guix, that I could read and understand Guile Scheme is what made me hop away from NixOS, the nixlang is an ungrokable mess

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phantomwise

in reply to eecobb • 2 mesi fa • •

Succinctly : "OH GOD MY EEEEEYES"

I'm not a fan of nested parenthesis... but aside from that I don't know much about the language, is it more convenient? Does it also suffer from the error messages from hell problem?

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a Kendrick fan

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

I absolutely hate the language

Check out Guix_System_Distribution, it's just like NixOS but uses a Scheme dialect which is a better language.

GNU Guix transactional package manager and distribution — GNU Guix

Guix is a distribution of the GNU operating system. Guix is technology that respects the freedom of computer users. You are free to run the system for any purpose, study how it works, improve it, and share it with the whole world.

^guix.gnu.org

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thedeadwalking4242

in reply to a Kendrick fan • 2 mesi fa • •

If you like parentheses anyway

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msherburn33

in reply to thedeadwalking4242 • 2 mesi fa • •

That is something you can't quite escape in Nix either. While it doesn't use parenthesis like a Lisp, the nature of the language and the depths of the sets you are dealing with still makes you end up getting a lot of this at the end of your files:

        ];
      };
    };
  };
}

Having one } too many or too few is a pretty common issue with Nix and feels very similar to Lisp, even when the rest of the language is quite different.

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msherburn33

in reply to a Kendrick fan • 2 mesi fa • •

While some people love putting Lisp in everything, I really don't get it. Guix is far uglier than Nix in the language department. Scheme is not a configuration language and thus has none of the nice things that Nix has (multi-line string handling, defaults, lazy evaluation, inline expression, etc.), instead you get multiple levels of macro spaghetti. Furthermore, Guix forces you to turn everything into Scheme, where you can just use plain Bash in your Nix build steps, in Guix that is all Scheme.

I had spent a lot of years with Scheme before starting with Guix and then spend quite a few years with that, but even after all that switching to Nix just felt so much better instantly. Instead of trying to hack a DSL onto of Scheme you just get a language that's actually build for the task.

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SkaveRat

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

But points to Nix for being less awful than JSON (the comma on every line but not the last thingy make me want to build a time machine to go murder the grandparents of whoever thought it was a good idea)

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lapping6596

in reply to SkaveRat • 2 mesi fa • •

Yeah, fuck that guy!

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phantomwise

in reply to SkaveRat • 2 mesi fa • •

There's one evil genius responsible for both JSON and JavaScript? °o°

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HayadSont

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

Packages are out of date even in the unstable branch (I know it’s unfair since it’s not trying to be a rolling release… but… but…)

Sure, some packages are outdated. But in terms of percentage of up-to-date packages, it's (AFAIK) the best out of any distro repo. And that's perhaps even more impressive of a feat when realizing it also sports the biggest repo. For actual stats: repology.org/repositories/stat…

Repository statistics - Repology

Multiple package repositories analyzer

^repology.org

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phantomwise

in reply to HayadSont • 2 mesi fa • •

Wait how does Nix Unstable have a better score than the AUR? With four times less maintainers? That's really impressive, especially considering how much more simple Arch packages are to make.

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iopq

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

Because you end up feeling unsatisfied with running the thing until you package it. I don't even understand the Nix language and I still messed around with a couple of packages

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iopq

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

Nix has more up to date packages than most distros have packages in total. There's a bot that goes around updating them automatically if they are from github. Maybe there's an issue with your package?

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phantomwise

in reply to iopq • 2 mesi fa • •

I think I might have been misusing the term "outdated", the packages are a few versions behind but they do work. I haven't run into packages that didn't work except because of path issues (fixed by using steam-run).

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msherburn33

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

Where are the source packages?

It's reproducible, so random updates are a no-no. You can however just dump the Git URL in your flake.nix inputs and then override the src of the package with that. The source gets updated when you do nix flake update next time. Something like this:

inputs {
    ...
    mypackage_src.url = "github:myorg/mypackage";
    mypackage_src.flake = false;
    ...
}

pkgs.mypackage.overrideAttrs (oldAttrs: {
              src = mypackage_src;
              version = "nightly-${mypackage_src.shortRev or "src"}";
            })

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phantomwise

in reply to phantomwise • 2 mesi fa • •

Finally managed to enable VSCode extensions without doing it imperatively or using home manager I'm so happy I could cry 😭 😭 😭

It actually wasn't even that bad, I'm just terrible at understanding documentation I guess

    (vscode-with-extensions.override {
        vscodeExtensions = with vscode-extensions; [
            bodil.blueprint-gtk          # Gtk Bluprint language support
            ms-vscode.makefile-tools     # Makefile language support
            bbenoist.nix                 # Nix language support
            ms-python.python             # Python language support
            naumovs.color-highlight      # Color Highlight
            ms-azuretools.vscode-docker  # Docker
            donjayamanne.githistory      # Git History
            seatonjiang.gitmoji-vscode   # Gitmoji
        ];
    })

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steeznson

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

NixOS sounds like ansible in OS form and that has never seemed appealing. Happy to hear why my impression is wrong though!

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aim_at_me

in reply to steeznson • 2 mesi fa • •

Ansible is idempotent with a lot of intent. NixOS is idempotent.

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smiletolerantly

in reply to steeznson • 2 mesi fa • •

Think about it like this:

with ansible, you are responsible for making sure that executing the described steps in the described order leads to the desired result
with nix, you describe what you want your system to look like, and then figuring out how to get there is nix's problem (or rather, is obvious to nix thanks to nixpkgs)

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steeznson

in reply to smiletolerantly • 2 mesi fa • •

Thanks for explaining

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Sibbo

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

It's missing the fact that the nix store can be huge, even if garbage collected regularly. This prevents me from using nix on my Ubuntu laptop with limited HDD space.

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danhab99

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

I really feel compelled to share that I actually really fucking love nix. I've never felt so confident that my computer would turn on no problem. It was hard and it was rewarding.

Idk I guess I haven't had it for long but once I got my dotfiles the way I like I just stopped messing with it.

Also nix devshells are pretty dope (⁠◕⁠ᴗ⁠◕⁠✿⁠)

GitHub - danhab99/dotfiles: My personal configs

My personal configs. Contribute to danhab99/dotfiles development by creating an account on GitHub.

^GitHub

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iopq

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

If you download a binary you can just steam-run it and it just works

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smiletolerantly

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SolarBoy

in reply to smiletolerantly • 2 mesi fa • •

This command will just run an executable file on nix. Normally only executables which are installed from the package manager will work.

appimage-run is another option. Which can be used to run, you guessed it, appimages

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iopq

in reply to SolarBoy • 2 mesi fa • •

But appimages will complain about unmet dependencies, so usually they don't work

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SolarBoy

in reply to iopq • 2 mesi fa • •

I haven't had any issues thus far. But I have not used a lot of appimages. Usually I can find everything in nixpkgs, and those that I didn't all worked with appimages.

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msherburn33

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

The Nix language itself is the hardest part.

Let me disagree there, the language is trivial. It's just JSON-lookalike with expressions, with a lot of nice touches that make using it much easier than all the alternatives (e.g. sane multi-line string handling, lazy evaluation, default values, powerful key/value sets, etc.). The only real stumbling for me when first encountering it was realizing that functions can only take a single argument (which can be a key/value set) and that functions are literally just : (e.g. (a: a + 5) 6 => 11). That's easily missed if you just look at a file without reading the documentation.

The thing that makes it hard is just the complexity of the actual package collection, your configuration contains literally your whole system, and it's not always obvious where to find the thing you need, since sometimes it's a plain package, sometimes it is a services.foobar.enable = true and sometimes you have to fiddle with override or other package specific things. Knowing that
search.nixos.org/ exists is half the battle here.

There is also the lack of static typing that can lead to rather verbose error messages, but it's not like many other configuration formats have that either.

NixOS Search

^{search.nixos.org}

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heraplem

in reply to msherburn33 • 2 mesi fa • •

There are a few gnarly things about Nix, even for someone who's familiar with Haskell (the most similar language to Nix that's even close to mainstream).

Dynamic typing (you mention this briefly). Some people like the extra flexibility that dynamic typing gives, but there's a tradeoff: more errors. The thing is, due to NixOS's complicated structure, the traceback for an evaluation error might not give you any information about where the cause is (indeed, the traceback might not include a single line of your own code!). This makes errors unusually costly in NixOS specifically, so any language feature that causes more runtime errors automatically has a worse impact than it would in a more "normal" language.
The "standard library" (builtins) is extremely sparse. You basically have to depend on at least nixpkgs-lib if you want to get any real work done.
No real data abstraction mechanisms. No ADTs, no nominal types. The only composite types are attrsets and lists. The usual way to encode a custom type is as an attrset with a _type field or some such.
While we're at it, very limited pattern-matching.
Clunky list literal syntax: no commas between list elements. I can't tell you the number of times I've forgotten to surround list elements in parentheses.
Can anyone remember the rules for escaping ${ or ''? I have to look them up every time.

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SolarBoy

in reply to msherburn33 • 2 mesi fa • •

Using a language server like nixd also helps a lot with auto completing packages and options in your config.

Apparently people are also working on the nickel configuration language to address some of the nix limitations and difficulties.

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chaospatterns

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

I really want to like Nix. The idea of declaratively defining my entire system sounds great. I can manage it with Git and even have multiple machines all look the same. I can define my partititioning once and magically get a btrfs disk working. Wow!

But I find the language confusing no matter how many times people say it's easy. I have a lot of experience with other programming languages so maybe it just doesn't mesh. It also gives terrible error messages that are hard for me to understand. And Nixpkgs is unpredictable for what version I'm going to get. One of the services I installed ended up being a release candidate version which was a surprise. What if I don't want the latest version of Docker? How do I pin it? Do I have to duplicate part of Nixpkgs? It just feels like a monorepo where everybody has to be on the same versions. Why on earth do the Nix language docs start by introducing math expressions instead of here is a simple self contained thing that installs one program. Here's how you configure it. Here's how you expand. Why does the dependency graph seem to pull in so many unnecessary dependencies? For example, I tried to build a minimal Docker image (which Nix looks to be a very good fit for), but I couldn't figure out how to strip out dependencies that likely were only used during build for a dependency.

I still like the idea and have managed to get my server defined entirely with NixOS which is very cool, but I can't recommend this to my tech friends because if I'm confused they will be more so.

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LeFantome

in reply to ikidd • 2 mesi fa • •

I have not used Nix, so I may not know what I am talking about.

That said, I have been using Chimera Linux which uses the APK package manager. It works by maintaining a single file in /etc/apk/world that specifies all the packages the user wants on the system. This is used to calculate dependencies and install packages. When you “add” and “del” packages, all it is really doing is adding and removing from this list. If you remove a package, it will remove all the dependencies too unless they appear in the “world” file.

If you do not specify a version number for a package, you get the latest. But you can pin versions of you want.

If you copy the world file from one system to another, you get the same set of installed packages.

So, if I use git to backup my world file, maybe a couple of other entries in /etc, and the dot files in my home directory, I have pretty much everything I need to completely recreate my system.

Is it really worth all the extra complexity of Nix?

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Elon Musk Activates Starlink to Help Topple Iran’s Regime

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The Best-Selling Apps Made By Israeli Spies

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Drunk & Root

in reply to davel • 2 mesi fa • •

everything on play and app store is spyware and not safe if you cant audit the source you need to assume its spying

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"Big, beautiful bill" pushes millions of people away from social safety net

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Brazil's Victory for Digital Sovereignty

Despite years of campaigning for impunity by the Bolsonaros and the American far right, a Supreme Court ruling has increased social media corporations' accountability for internet crimes.

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FreudianCafe

in reply to Avatar of Vengeance • 2 mesi fa • •

Will he keep this dumb position when hes the one veing censored? Ill be waiting to see

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Avatar of Vengeance

in reply to FreudianCafe • 2 mesi fa • •

Did you read the article? Be honest with me. Because nobody who attentively read the article would think this is a new censorship regime, rather than foreign tech monopolies being asked to follow the law. You're siding with Elon Musk now?

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FreudianCafe

in reply to Avatar of Vengeance • 2 mesi fa • •

You seem to confuse how things work on paper and how reality is. Platforms will take down any content that may get them sued. If you dont like what someone is doing, sue the platform for whatever hatespeech and they take the content down. But theres no need to argue, just wait and see

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Avatar of Vengeance

in reply to FreudianCafe • 2 mesi fa • •

Telesur is not going to get censored by Brazilian law lmao, if platforms did that it would be a reprisal for being made to follow Brazilian law.

There is no good argument for the US oligarchy to get final say over the govts of the countries using their services, but this is even crazier to say when US platforms are littered with mysteriously unmoderated Nazi content. Get real?

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FreudianCafe

in reply to Avatar of Vengeance • 2 mesi fa • •

This fairytale seems real cool. But when you wake up check what pro israel agencies made out of hate speech worldwide, including Brasil, and try to guess what will happen

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Avatar of Vengeance

in reply to FreudianCafe • 2 mesi fa • •

I'm the one spinning fairy tales?? You're telling me that these companies aren't already blocking people in accordance with their own policies shaped by those very organizations? I just think there is a misunderstanding here, because Bolsonaro would never do anything like this but you're reframing it as a win for him.

I sure hope nobody thinks of Brazil as a magic kingdom where only good things happening. For the govt there to actually grow a backbone and limit the influence of the orgs that are encouraging their petit boug to be little pro-US Evangelical nightmare beings would ve fantastic. The dominance of US tech & media is very very bad and other countries need actual sovereignty (like enforcing their laws on multinational companies and not legalizing their activities - at a bare minimum, as relying on them at all is a result of being deliberately underdeveloped)

These companies are very entwined with US state power it's imperialism and the privatization of the state that is an issue not third world sovereignty itself

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FreudianCafe

in reply to Avatar of Vengeance • 2 mesi fa • •

This is not a win for bolsonaro, its a HUGE loss for brasilian people

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Avatar of Vengeance

in reply to FreudianCafe • 2 mesi fa • •

No it's not! I hope you can see that uninhibited unlawful access by multinational media & telecom companies is exactly what leads to the establishment of comprador figures like Bolsonaro, who dislike Telesur's politics.

I'm actually glad you've raised this, as it helps me develop my thoughts on social libertarian left tech activism & its limitations. One of its dubious accomplishments is watering down the wrongs done by the US & allied governments with pop social science into generic anti-authoritarian rhetoric, and opposing actions by neo-colonized countries which limit foreign soft power + capital

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FreudianCafe

in reply to Avatar of Vengeance • 2 mesi fa • •

Thanks for teaching us that people like bolsonaro didnt get to power before the internet. Like FHC or Collor

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Kras Mazov

in reply to FreudianCafe • 2 mesi fa • •

Oh fuck off. It's the PCO person again with the bullshit muh freeze peach. Stop being a reactionary for 5 minutes, will you?

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FreudianCafe

in reply to Kras Mazov • 2 mesi fa • •

People who dont have anything meaningfull to say dont have to worry about that. You are free to block me, and i strongly encourage you to

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PowerCrazy

in reply to Avatar of Vengeance • 2 mesi fa • •

In 2014, after years of debate, Brazil's Congress ratified Law 12.965/2014, the Internet Civil Framework. This law required social media companies to delete posts and deplatform users who broke Brazilian laws. However, it placed the burden on Brazilian courts to identify the posts and accounts.

Is this meant to apply to all "users" of the platform or only Brazilian Citizens?

If it applies to Brazilian Citizens, that's all fine and good. But if I break brazilian law by criticizing their government, is lemmy.ml expected to "deplatform" and "censor" me?

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PowerCrazy

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So you are telling me that when Israel makes their definition of "anti-semitism" illegal that everyone in the entire world that uses the internet has to abide by it? That doesn't seem desirable or sane at all.

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PowerCrazy

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That is the natural extension of your line of thinking is it not? Which users are "persecutable" by brazilian/Israeli law? If it's not just the citizens of Brazil (which i'm ok with, obviously a nation should be able to pass laws that apply to their citizens) but everyone "persecutable," doesn't that mean that a country that is sufficiently able to persecute anyone in the world is now justified to enforce their laws upon the entire world?

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Avatar of Vengeance

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Yes, the person hosting a website has to abide by the laws of countries they want to avoid being blocked in. This is common sense unless you're Mark Zuckerberg. No human rights for zillionaires, sorry chuddy

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PowerCrazy

in reply to Avatar of Vengeance • 2 mesi fa • •

So is lemmy.ml breaking the law in brazil right now? And rather then laughing at the notion, you think it's a good thing? Yea you should probably change your name to Avatar of Fascism.

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Avatar of Vengeance

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No it's not, also there is at least one Brazilian Lemmy instance, stop crying in my mentions because someone made Facebook and Twitter follow laws which ALREADY APPLIED TO EVERYONE ELSE. Replying to me will not bring your wife back or whatever this is.

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PowerCrazy

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Which countries laws "ALREADY APPL[Y] TO EVERYONE ELSE?" Cause I'm pretty sure that isn't how laws of other countries work. I understand that you want countries to pass laws making it illegal for people to make fun of you on the Internet, but that's a laughable notion.

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Avatar of Vengeance

in reply to PowerCrazy • 2 mesi fa • •

Quit pulling stuff out of your ass, I've been trying to explain this to you because I find the subject engaging. Unc I spoke to you for the same reason I speak to hobos, we're all human beings, but you were already testing my patience, this is ridiculous. I'm still not convinced you read the article. I'm saying other websites in Brazil have to follow the law, US social media companies have been ignoring it, while enforcing their own code of conduct modeled after US definition of "disinformation" and internet laws. The supreme court of Brazil is enforcing the preexisting laws on them. It seems like you are not grasping the basic details to me or you're just a lunatic

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PowerCrazy

in reply to Avatar of Vengeance • 2 mesi fa • •

I read the article. In-fact I started this thread asking for clarification to whom these laws apply. Then you went off on a tangent about Zuckerberg and implied i'm a "chud." So let me state how I think these laws apply, tell me if this is correct.

The Nation of Brazil passes a law that says the users of a website have to abide by Brazil's laws. I don't know what they meant by that, I assume lemmy.ml that is not hosted in Brazil isn't expected to know nor care about what Brazil's laws say. But if that were the case, then Facebook also wouldn't be expected to know nor care about what Brazil's laws say. The citizens of brazil that use facebook? Sure, they should be subject to those laws. But why should any other entity that exists outside of Brazil be obligated to know nor care about Brazilian law?

Those details seem pretty important, and the article doesn't address them at all, it merely says that Brazil's supreme court says that website are required to "deplatform" and "delete posts" of users who broke the law. But why should lemmy.ml abide by brazilian laws?

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Lemmy.ml should abide by Brazilian laws because otherwise they'll get blocked in that country. I'm not much of a free speech fanatic. Ideally if people post a bunch of Nazi shit then Brazilian ISPs will be legally obliged to block it. The socdems in Brazil are rather lame so I have little faith in all of the "dark humor" Fb and Telegram groups getting nuked.

I'm not a lawyer, but, if you understand this isn't even a new law and it's just the end of impunity for US companies I don't see why you would frame this as an imminent threat to free speech. That's why I doubted you read.

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Taiwan to simulate Chinese invasion in major drill

How much of a handicap are they willing to give themselves? I want to see all the details lol

https://archive.today/2025.07.02-222616/https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-simulate-chinese-invasion-major-drill-2025-07-01/

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Mainstream media is such a joke lmao.

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Peoples and Regimes: Anti-Imperialism and the Islamic Republic of Iran

In the Global South, state structures, particularly those tied to militarization and sovereignty, are vital to social reproduction, national dignity, and regional solidarity.

^{Max Ajl}

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Spanish MEP wants ban on Israeli military companies accessing EU funds over Gaza

A Spanish member of the European Parliament said Wednesday he wants the European Commission to ban Israeli military companies from accessing EU funds, citing their potential use in the war in the Gaza Strip, Anadolu reports.

Nacho Sanchez Amor, a socialist MEP and member of the European Parliament’s Subcommittee on Human Rights, said the EU must avoid “double standards” in addressing human rights violations.

“The EU cannot fall under double standards when it comes to HumanRightsViolations & it cannot be accessory to Netanyahu genocidal actions,” Amor wrote on X, referencing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has pursued a war of genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza since late 2023.

Lawmaker wants ban on Israeli military companies accessing EU funds over Gaza

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^{Middle East Monitor}

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ICE wants to work in secret. We shouldn’t let it

Journalism about ICE is increasingly under attack by officials who prefer government propaganda

^{Freedom of the Press}

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US prices for China-made goods on Amazon rise faster than inflation, analysis shows, as tariffs bite

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/us-prices-china-made-goods-amazon-rise-faster-than-inflation-analysis-shows-2025-06-30/

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The Massive Economic Impact of Deportation in California

The Massive Economic Impact of Deportation in California • FrankNez

Explore the Deportation Economic Impact in California, where millions face economic loss and threats to key industries.

^{Randros (FrankNez)}

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8BitDo announces its controllers now have Steam (SteamOS) compatibility

8BitDo says its controllers are now compatible with Steam/SteamOS. The announcement specifically mentions three models and advises users to update their controllers and Steam client to the latest version.

^{Habeeb Onawole (Notebookcheck)}

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cRazi_man

in reply to network_switch • 2 mesi fa • •

full compatibility details will be revealed soon

This is what I'm interested in finding out. Because Steam can pick up any generic-shit-for-brains controller and use it normally. What does "Steam compatibility" give us?

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PonyOfWar

in reply to cRazi_man • 2 mesi fa • •

Remapping controls, like using the sticks to control the mouse etc.

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foggenbooty

in reply to PonyOfWar • 2 mesi fa • •

That's also possible by piping your generic controller through Steam Input.

Now, if 8bit is actually supporting native Steam Input, that's a much bigger deal because we could potentially get access to raw gyro data, stuff that is normally converted to joystick input by the time Steam gets it.

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AncientJames

in reply to foggenbooty • 2 mesi fa • •

This is what is new: native Steam Input

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foggenbooty

in reply to AncientJames • 2 mesi fa • •

That's a big deal then. So far I'm not aware of any controllers that have all of the following:

Analogue triggers
Gyro input
Back buttons
Xbox layout (preferred)

The dual shock is close, but no back buttons and not my prefered layout. All the Nintendo clones have digital triggers, and almost none have gyro input that steam can use. This will make 8bit the best possible Steam Deck companion until a proper Steam Controller 2 comes out.

Edit: This would also add the ability to map extra buttons to new functions instead of a duplicate of the buttons that already exist. I'm waiting to hear the details but I'll likely buy one if all this is true because I haven't seen anything else offering this level of functionality.

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Ferk

in reply to foggenbooty • 2 mesi fa • •

Flydigi Vader 4 pro has that + 2 additional face buttons + adjustable tension on the sticks + hall effect joysticks + a toggle next to each trigger to reduce the travel distance + clicky mechanical switches.

And this same Steam beta version that added 8bitdo support also included support for this controller as well so that you can remap the extra buttons (but it's only detected as a vader if you are using the included dongle and the controller is set to dinput mode).

The only thing I'm missing is capacitive joysticks that can be used for turning on/off the gyro.. that's a pity because I find the gyro kind of annoying to use without that.

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foggenbooty

in reply to Ferk • 2 mesi fa • •

Thanks for the recommendation. The 8bitDo Ultimate 2 Wireless has most of that, but competition is always a good thing.

I agree about the capacitive sticks though, I've never used gyro without that so I imagine it'd really only be useful for ADS and other situations where you're already holding a button. Capacitive sticks were a genius move from Valve.

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Ferk

in reply to foggenbooty • 2 mesi fa • •

For me it beats the 8bitdo by a long shot. I think the 8bitdo only has 2 back buttons, does't it? the vader has 4. And now with Steam input support they are all programmable. I like the feel of mechanical buttons too.

Yeah.. I've been waiting for a steam controller 2 for way too long. The horipad is the only "traditional" controller that has capacitive joysticks.. but beyond having that, the reviews for it are not that great.

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reagansrottencorpse

in reply to network_switch • 2 mesi fa • •

They already did. But I'm hoping this means the elite 2c can now wake the steamdeck.

Article sadly doesn't mention the 2c and I just couldn't stomach paying $20 more for a stand.

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DonutsRMeh

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I think the controllers work fine, but I'm hoping they will make their app available on Linux

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circuitfarmer

in reply to network_switch • 2 mesi fa • •

My 8BitDo Pro 2 has been my go-to controller for months... But it already worked with Steam.

I am hoping this means I can map the few extra buttons that aren't on an Xbox controller.

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MonkderVierte

in reply to network_switch • 2 mesi fa • •

As if. Steam(OS) has now compatibility for your controllers. Controllers are hardware, Steam is not. That's putting the cart before the horse, just because the cart is more popular.

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Ferk

in reply to network_switch • 2 mesi fa • •

If I remember correctly, Valve stated that for being "Steam certified" the controller needs to have capacitive joysticks to regulate the gyro, similar to the "Horipad" that they partnered to release.

I was hoping that 8bitdo would launch a controller that actually has this because it makes gyro much more viable, to the point that I really don't like using gyro without that.

But this announcement is just to indicate explicit compatibility for steam input (which has been available in the beta for a while, btw). I don't think this is a huge change since technically they were compatible before too.. even if it was through the xinput / dinput interface without being recognized as 8bitdo.

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Meta’s $100M “Zuck Bucks” Bet Reignites AI Talent War

Mark Zuckerberg wants Artificial Superintelligence—and he’s not waiting in line. Over the past month, the Meta CEO has turned talent-hunting into a full-contact sport.

^{GazeOn Team (GazeOn)}

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FT opinion column be like

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I'm starting to wonder if all you need to know about a person's humanity is to ask them how they feel about billionaire.

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it's a good heuristic

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Spanish police investigate Catalan wildfire deaths as extreme temperatures grip Europe

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jul/02/europe-heatwave-weather-france-italy-germany-poland-live-news-updates

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Folks not buying PCs from US vendors 'tariff' stockpiles

Folks aren’t buying the PCs that US vendors stockpiled to dodge tariffs

World War Fee: Plus: Consumers respond to imminent Win 10 cutoff date with collective 'Meh'

^{Dan Robinson (The Register)}

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My PC is pre pandemic. Every time I've thought about upgrading it over the last few years or just building something new, it's been a bad time to buy.

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Folks aren’t buying anything except food and gas. We aren’t out here building new gaming PCs.

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Italy could lose 20 bln euros in exports, 118,000 jobs with US tariffs, industry head says

https://www.reuters.com/business/italy-could-lose-20-bln-euros-exports-118000-jobs-with-us-tariffs-industry-head-2025-07-02/

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MPs vote to take forward 'brutal' cuts to disability benefits

MPs vote to take forward ‘brutal’ cuts to disability benefits: ‘It will come to haunt this government’

MPs from all parties slammed the cuts to disability benefits, which will push an estimated 150,000 people into poverty, in a five-hour debate.

^{Isabella McRae (Big Issue)}

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Product Design

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some_random_nick via Linux

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[Question] Fedora KDE defaults to console mode if I don't turn on the display during boot-up

Any way to force the desktop to load regardless? I know, typing startx isn't hard, but I would like not to. Tnx!

#linux

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lilith267

in reply to some_random_nick • 2 mesi fa • •

Had the same problem on fedora (no issue on bazzite, nobara, or arch). First time it was xwayland that kept crashing without a display present for some reason, second time I never solved since I was distro hopping the fedora family of distros but it seemed to be a problem with SDDM

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some_random_nick

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Seems like you were right. I checked my logs with the monitor turned off and the last logged message is SDDM segfaulting.

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They could have named our galaxy anything and this is what we got

I'd even take "Sombrero" over "Milky Way"

#memes

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Milky Ray

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Evil_Shrubbery

in reply to cattywampas • 2 mesi fa • •

Milfy Way, or Milfky Way.
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(Aka The way of the milf.)

It's such a shitty joke (my brainhole entertains itself in the stupidest, nonsensical, basic ways).

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UK and Germany prepare to sign wide-ranging mutual defense treaty

Under the pact, any strategic threat to one country would represent a threat to the other.

^{Esther Webber (POLITICO)}

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Establishment Dems only.

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Scientists identify a speech pattern that is a clear indication of a person in cognitive decline

This speech pattern is an indicator of a brain in cognitive decline - Earth.com

Word-finding difficulty (WFD) - frustrating “tip-of-the-tongue” moments when meaning is clear but the word or sound won’t surface.

^{Eric Ralls (Earth.com)}

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Russia ramps up offensives on 2 fronts in Ukraine as both sides seek an advantage

An emboldened Russia has ramped up military offensives on two fronts in Ukraine

^{SAMYA KULLAB Associated Press (ABC News)}

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Nobodywantstoworkanymore!!

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Best Ever Image of a Star’s Surface and Atmosphere - First map of motion of material on a star other than the Sun

Using ESO’s Very Large Telescope Interferometer astronomers have constructed the most detailed image ever of a star — the red supergiant star Antares.

^www.eso.org

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I hope all of you tankie roaches meet the same fate as Donbas cowboy, Russell Bentley.

Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.
According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.
Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

Imagine what was going through Bentley's mind as his fellow Russians were torturing him to death.

You are all vile and disgusting scum. Let's hope one day you get to experience Bentley's last moments.

Better late then never, right?

I hope Dessalines in particular gets a taste of russian culture by getting closely acquainted with some champagne bottles (russian style).

Russian Soldiers Charged With Involvement In American's Death

Russell Bentley, a Texas man who as the "Donbas Cowboy" gained notoriety for joining Russian-backed forces in eastern Ukraine, was tortured before being killed in the Russian-occupied Ukrainian city of Donetsk, Russian authorities said.

^{Current Time (RFE/RL)}

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US halts weapons shipments to Ukraine over fears stockpiles are too low

The Pentagon has halted shipments of critical US Patriot air defence systems and other precision weapons to Ukraine after concern that US stockpiles are running too low, prompting alarm in Kyiv.

At the end of last week’s Nato summit, Donald Trump hinted that supplies of Patriot missile interceptors were running down because some had been supplied to Israel, though he suggested he would like to help Kyiv.

After a meeting with Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the US president acknowledged that Ukraine did “want to have the anti-missile systems, as they call the Patriots, and we’re going to see if we can make some available”.

But Trump added: “They’re very hard to get. We need them. We were supplying them to Israel,” implying that supporting Israel in its war with Iran – a priority for the Republican administration – had set back its willingness to help Kyiv.

US halts weapons shipments to Ukraine over fears its stockpiles are too low

Some shipments have been stopped ‘to put America’s interests first’, White House says

^{Dan Sabbagh (The Guardian)}

#USA

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queermunist she/her

in reply to geneva_convenience • 2 mesi fa • •

Naturally people will blame Trump because he doesn't really care about Ukraine, but this was inevitable when Israel started sucking up all of the USs military aid. Without a massive increase in industrial capacity to build even more weapons, eventually, the stockpiles were always going to run low.

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What all this illustrates is that the US lacks industrial capacity for maintaining its hegemony. They've run through their existing stocks over the past three years, and they're unable to manufacture weapons at the rate they're being consumed. As a result, they have to make hard choices regarding which proxies have more value to them.

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Trump’s Budget Just Passed the Senate. Brace for a Massive Increase in ICE Raids.

Masked immigration enforcers have swept through American cities in the months since President Donald Trump took office, using flash bangs during restaurant sweeps, slamming people’s heads into the ground, violently arresting gardeners on video, and provoking mass protests against their raids. This may only be the beginning.

The massive Senate budget bill, which passed on Tuesday and awaits a final House vote, gives Donald Trump’s administration the money to rapidly ramp up mass deportation to unprecedented levels, according to immigration experts.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement will have a budget for more officers than the FBI. The nation’s immigration detention centers will have more funding than the federal Bureau of Prisons.

There may be only one limit on how fast the Trump administration can spend: how quickly it can hire.

Trump’s Budget Just Passed the Senate. Brace for a Massive Increase in ICE Raids.

The budget gives $175 billion to immigration enforcement. “The orders of magnitude are going to be multiplied,” immigration experts say.

^{Matt Sledge (The Intercept)}

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California fireworks warehouse catches fire and explodes

A warehouse storing fireworks in California caught fire and exploded Tuesday, sending a fireball into the air, launching debris and causing pyrotechnics to detonate above the site, according to officials and video from the scene

^{Phil Helsel (NBC News)}

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French police arrest ‘incel’ suspected of planning knife attack on women

An 18-year-old French man who claimed affiliation with the misogynist “incel” movement has been arrested and placed under formal investigation on suspicion of planning attacks targeting women, France’s national anti-terrorist prosecutor’s office (PNAT) has said.

The arrest on Wednesday was part of PNAT’s first case linked to the “incel” (involuntary celibate) movement, an online network of men motivated to engage in violence against women whom they believe unjustly reject their sexual or romantic advances.

PNAT confirmed on Tuesday that it had opened a judicial investigation “against a young man, aged 18, claiming to be a member of the incel movement”, adding that he was being investigated for allegedly “associating with terrorist criminals to prepare one or more crimes against people”.

French police charge ‘incel’ suspected of planning knife attack on women

Detention of 18-year-old man part of anti-terror police force’s first case linked to involuntary celibate movement

^{Guardian staff reporter (The Guardian)}

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SpiderUnderUrBed via Linux

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OBS does not allow me to create a new pipewire screen (only one works)

How come when I try to create a new obs screen, it is black, whether or not i toggle off the visibility on Screen Capture
and how do i get it to show the capture settings, like which monitor, or what portion of the screen, to be clear, the! first capture works, for some reason no other capture i try to create is letting me configure or display anything

^ Image \
pastebin.com/AzKCZ8Tt \
^ Logs \
imgur.com/a/K7pMA4p
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^ Video \
There is a chance this might be related to another issue I had, but I dont know a fix (I have to manually add what portals I want to install due to a bug, but I have the plasma portals so that should be enough?)

debug: Found portal inhibitordebug: Attempted path: /app/bin/../share/obs/obs- - Pastebin.com

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

^Pastebin

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just_another_person

in reply to SpiderUnderUrBed • 2 mesi fa • •

There's a multitude of things going on here probably, but you need some debug logs to find. My guess is because your machine probably has multiple GPUs enabled, it's picking the inactive one, or you have multiple portal methods install and it's choosing the wrong.

Can you get some logs?

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SpiderUnderUrBed

in reply to just_another_person • 2 mesi fa • •

I have the hyprland portals installed, and the kde ones, due to some issue I had to explicitly install them so idk if that will mess with the way applications handle it, assuming not, and yes I have two gpus, one dgpu, and one igpu, the dgpu is directly connected to my hdmi, does OBS stuggle with 2 gpus? still, that sounds like it would be a issue with capturing the monitor managed by my igpu. Not a reason to stop a second pipewire capture.

What logs do you need? I provided some from running OBS but i assume it isnt enough, what logs should I collect, or is there a flag i need to run with OBS

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just_another_person

in reply to SpiderUnderUrBed • 2 mesi fa • •

Missed your logs link, but there's some hints in there.

You have both an Intel GPU and Nvidia GPU in that laptop, and it's selecting your Intel while trying to use Nvidia compatible settings. So you need to try and force everything to either work on Nvidia, or everything to work on Intel. It can't do both without splitting the settings per GPU, which I don't think is an option in OBS.

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SpiderUnderUrBed

in reply to just_another_person • 2 mesi fa • •

I tried nvidia-offload, as I set up PRIME awhile ago, it didnt help, here is the logs, if its useful:
pastebin.com/CiJ4Zyjw

Idk if OBS would actually respect the GPU being handed to it, or if it'll do something weird with screen capture, its weird per-gpu settings is not a option with OBS, if this is a OBS bug, i can file a bug report. Hopefully it can be resolved here.

[spiderunderurbed@daspidercave:~/tmp2]$ nvidia-offload flatpak run com.obsproj - Pastebin.com

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

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just_another_person

in reply to SpiderUnderUrBed • 2 mesi fa • •

Well in that log, it actually DOES use the right GPU. There are some other errors you have going on in there though, like you seem to have AV1 encoding selected somewhere in your settings, but this RTX 3070 doesn't support AV1 encoding (on the fly) AFAIK.

Try launching the app this same, setting all your hardware encoding stuff back to defaults, then see if you can get it working. In these logs it IS picking up the second pipewire display, so that's good, but launch this way again without AV1 enabled then upload the logs again and let's see what's happening.

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Dima

in reply to just_another_person • 2 mesi fa • •

To add RTX 30XX series doesn't support AV1 encode, only decode, so any AV1 encoding would have to be done on the CPU (better to use h.264 or HEVC for hardware encode in OBS)

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SpiderUnderUrBed

in reply to just_another_person • 2 mesi fa • •

I dont think i ever set AV1 encoding inside OBS, looking at my settings, it just shows h.264: \

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oni ᓚᘏᗢ

in reply to SpiderUnderUrBed • 2 mesi fa • •

I had this same issue using certain compositors, the last I remember was Niri, with Wayland. Which compositor do you use?

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ via World News

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UN report lists companies complicit in Israel’s ‘genocide’: Who are they?

UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese has named several US giants among the companies aiding Israel.

^{Federica Marsi (Al Jazeera)}

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krolden

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Lmao at ibm doing the same thing for Israel that they did for the nazis

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lemmebee

in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • 2 mesi fa • •

Boycotts do not work. Israel needs a constant kick in the balls.

Problem is, Israel’s balls are nested safely inside the mouth of every sitting US President. 😂

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ via Clojure programming language discussion

2 mesi fa • •

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
2 mesi fa • •

All Programming Languages are Fast

Well, at least the serious ones. In recent years, software got much slower, basically killing all advances in hardware performance. Finally, software performance got to the front of debate.

^OrgPad

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