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Trying Guix: A Nixer's Impressions

One aspect of Guix I found to be really fascinating: That there is basically no conceptual difference between defining a package as a private build script, and using a package as part of the system.

Let me explain: Say you wrote a little program in Python which uses a C library (or a Rust library with C ABI) which is in the distribution. Then, in Guix you would put that librarie's name and needed version into a manifest.scm file which lists your dependency, and makes it available if you run guix shell in that folder. It does not matter whether you run the full Guix System, or just use Guix as s package manager.

Now, if you want to install your little python program as part of your system, you'll write an install script or package definition, which is nothing else than a litle piece of Scheme code which contains the name of your program, your dependency, and the information needed to call python's build tool.

The point I am making is now that the only thing which is different between your local package and a distributed package in Guix is that distributed packages are package definitions hosted in public git repos, called 'channels'. So, if you put your package's source into a github or codeberg repo, and the package definition into another repo, you now have published a package which is a part of Guix (in your own channel). Anybody who wants to install and run your package just needs your channel's URL and the packages name. It is a fully decentral system.

In short, in Guix you have built-in something like Arch's AUR, just in a much more elegant and clean manner - and in a fully decentralized way.

tazjin's blog: Trying Guix: A Nixer's Impressions

tazjin's blog

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

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I'd argue that using Scheme as a configuration language is not such a steep barrier. Any Emacs user has surely done a little bit of configuration setup by pasting bits of configuration statements into a file called .emacs . Well, the configuration language he or she was using is actually Emacs Lisp. There is no border between configuring Emacs by text file, and writing code in Lisp.

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msherburn33

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

The biggest problem with Scheme as config language is that it is sloooooowwwww. Nix is already quite sluggish when it comes to configuration changes, in Guix it's a lot worse, and it's unlikely to change anytime soon, given that Scheme allows macros and other hacks that might make it difficult to properly cache or index the package database.

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

in reply to msherburn33 • 1 mese fa • •

It depends on the implementation, but Schemes and Lisps are in general not that slow - some use JIT compilation to native code - and Guile is not a slow Scheme.

Lisp SBCL vs Racket - Which programs are fastest? (Benchmarks Game)

Lisp SBCL Racket - Which programs have fastest performance?

^{benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net}

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balsoft

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

One aspect of Guix I found to be really fascinating: That there is basically no conceptual difference between defining a package as a private build script, and using a package as part of the system.

This is true for Nix as well.

The two main advantages of Guix are the language (which is well-known and comes with lots of good tooling and other support) and the package bootstrapping.

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Shareni

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The main disadvantages I've faced when trying it a few years ago:

non-free packages need to use a non-official channel
I had to install guixos through the iso provided by systemcrafters to have non-free drivers
I couldn't get any help from the official guix irc because I used the modified iso, even though the issue had absolutely nothing to do with it
there's significantly less packages in both than in nix, and they're usually seriously outdated (the docker package was behind Debian for example)
even when I enabled downloading precompiled bins, some packages like firefox and chromium would still compile all night long

At the time it was a great concept, but essentially useless for anything not Emacs/Haskell related.

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balsoft

in reply to Shareni • 1 mese fa • •

Yep. I feel like Guix is surprisingly awesome and polished in a couple places, but mostly it's a very DIY distro, much more so than even NixOS.

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

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non-free packages need to use a non-official channel
I had to install guixos through the iso provided by systemcrafters to have non-free drivers

Yeah. See, drivers are part of the hardware abstraction layer which in a Linux system is the Kernel. The kernel is GPL, so it is hard to get support for hardware with drivers without GPL, it does not conform Linux' license.

I, too, had also nothing but hassle with an NVidia graphics card in Debian. It was a happy day when I finally ditched it for a supported card and had a fully supported system!

The other thing... let's turn the question around. Would you:

expect from Apple that you get your Mac with The Gimp pre-installed?
From Microsoft that they pre- install LibreOffice and provide it for free in their app store?
Expect from IBM or Brother that they develop and give you free drivers for their competitor's hardware?
Expect from Google that they give you free LaTeX support?
Expect from Adobe that they host and staff tje Linux Kernel Mailing List for free?

If not - why do some people expect equivalent things from free software projects?

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Shareni

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

The kernel is GPL, so it is hard to get support for hardware with drivers without GPL, it does not conform Linux' license.

It's a violation that's not enforced, as almost all distros provide proprietary blobs. They balance ideology with usability, since they realised most people aren't going to use a librebooted ThinkPad from the 90s. If everyone enforced libre purism like GNU, desktop Linux would've been completely dead long ago. If you need proof, check usage statistics for any of the free distros.

I, too, had also nothing but hassle with an NVidia graphics card in Debian.

And did you need to install a modified iso to have WiFi? Did maybe Debian provide those nvidia drivers?

The other thing... let's turn the question around. Would you:

How is any of that relevant? This is not a question of additional software or services, but basic usability. Guixos as is, is for example essentially useless on a laptop unless you're willing to carry an external WiFi card in your pocket.

If not - why do some people expect equivalent things from free software projects?

The only expectation I have for an OS is to work on my devices, guixos does not. And even when I jumped through all of the hoops to get it working, I still needed to use nix to install most packages I need to work. So why would I use guixos+nix+flatpak instead of just running nixos?

List of Free GNU/Linux Distributions - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

in reply to Shareni • 1 mese fa • •

The only expectation I have for an OS is to work on my devices

So maybe Guix System is not a good choice for you?

It has top-priority goals like reproducibility, capability to inspect and verify all source code, and providing a fully free system. These specific goals are not compatible with providing nonfree binary blobs in Guix-core. For example, depending on non-free binary blobs will block exactly reconstructing a system years later if these binaries are not available any more. Guix has scientific applications where reproducibility absolutely matters.

Also, I can unterstand if companies are hating it which just want to have a free ride and monetize efforts of other people. But for users, there are many many other options and distributions available. Why not chose one that matches your need better?

Workshop on Reproducible Software Environments for Research and High-Performance Computing - Sciencesconf.org

^{repro4research.sciencesconf.org}

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Captain Beyond

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

This

I use Guix as my "default" distro because I value software-freedom and reproducibility. It fits my needs very well, and I make sure to buy hardware that works with it instead of expecting it to work with whatever I throw at it. For my Windows gaming machine I use PopOS as the replacement OS instead of trying to beat Guix into serving that purpose, because PopOS is better suited for that role, and I have different expectations for it.

It's okay if something doesn't meet your needs, that doesn't make it bad, just means it's not the right thing for you. There's like hundreds of distros for Windows gamers, let us free software zealots have ours too please.

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

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I make sure to buy hardware that works with it instead of expecting it to work with whatever I throw at it.

This is the way. Trying to get unsupported hardware to work under Linux in general is such a useless expense of time. In my experience, it is almost never worth it.

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paequ2

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

1,000 times this.

looks at laptops with hidpi displays 👀

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Shareni

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

Also, I can unterstand if companies are hating it which just want to have a free ride and monetize efforts of other people. But for users, there are many many other options and distributions available. Why not chose one that matches your need better?

Why get mad about people comparing nix and guix, in a thread comparing nix and guix? Pointing out legitimate disadvantages is not hating. Maybe get off the internet for a bit and touch grass.

It has top-priority goals like reproducibility, capability to inspect and verify all source code, and providing a fully free system that is not compatible with providing nonfree binary blobs.

So does nix, nobody is forcing you to opt-in into non-free packages. And guix most certainly is compatible with non-free blobs, as that's how most people are using it. The only difference is that nix is supporting non-free packages instead of banning even talking about them.

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

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And guix most certainly is compatible with non-free blobs, as that's how most people are using it [...]

~~I am not sure about that one and somewhat doubt there is hard data showing that.~~ The 2024 user survey also shows that a lot of people are using Guix as a package manager on top of another distribution, like Arch or Ubuntu or even NixOS. . If you have hardware that is not directly supported, this fixes the driver problem.

Guix User and Contributor Survey 2024: The Results (part 1) — 2025 — Blog — GNU Guix

Blog posts about GNU Guix.

^guix.gnu.org

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paequ2

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non-free packages need to use a non-official channel

It's very easy to add additional channels and non-official channels integrate pretty well into everything. I don't really notice if a package comes from an "official" channel or "non-official" channel.

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Shareni

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I didn't like using AUR when I ran arch, let alone some random repo with absolutely no oversight.

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toys.where-is.social/

Find different channels and substitute servers or create your own

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Shareni

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Address not found.

Also, it doesn't change the fact you're depending on some random person's repo that is not moderated in any way.

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msherburn33

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The two main advantages of Guix are the language

I wouldn't call that an advantage for the average person. Nix is far nicer to work with. Some Lispers might disagree, but I, for one, can't exactly see the beauty in trying to turn Scheme into a configuration language with macros and hacks. Also Guix puts Scheme everywhere, things you can do with plain old Bash in Nix, you'll have to all do in Scheme in Guix, so there is a much steeper learning curve.

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balsoft

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Well, Nix language is also full of hacks, idiosyncrasies and stupid decisions. I say that as someone who's writing it "professionally", i.e. as part of my job. Scheme is way less "unexpected". But there are other parts of Guix which are pretty weird or just bad, like the "channels"/"pins" management situation.

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

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Plus, if one compares the full bash man page with an introduction to Scheme - I love the quick introduction into racket with pictures - one can come to the conclusion that Schemes are both a lot simpler and more powerful.

In the end, it is pretty much a matter of taste, previous experience, and practical needs what one prefers.

Quick: An Introduction to Racket with Pictures

^{docs.racket-lang.org}

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

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Some Lispers might disagree, but I, for one, can't exactly see the beauty in trying to turn Scheme into a configuration language with macros and hacks.

Scheme is a minimalistic Lisp dialect, and macros are central in Lisp. For example, they allow for both conditional evaluation ("if" is a macro, or more precisely, a "special form" that is used in other conditionals), and for delayed evaluation at run time, which matches a bit Nix being lazy.

Also, Scheme is designed as a not strictly but mostly functional language, favouring side-effect free functions, which matches well with the declarative task which is package definitions.

bash, in contrary, is not side-effect-free, it modifies its environment, and this is very much not desired in a functional package manager: it is at the core that package declarations are side-effect-free.

And Emacs shows that Lisp written in a declarative style is a superb configuration language. (There is now even a project to use a Scheme, Steel Scheme, to configure helix, a programmers text editor which has many many features stemming from vim!).

Add Steel as an optional plugin system by mattwparas · Pull Request #8675 · helix-editor/helix

Notes: I still need to rebase up with the latest master changes, however doing so causes some headache with the lock file, so I'll do it after some initial feedback. Also, this depends on the ...

^GitHub

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iopq

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Bash is not a advantage, it's a disadvantage

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msherburn33

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You prefer:

     (add-after 'install 'remove-examples
       (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
         (with-directory-excursion
             (string-append (assoc-ref outputs "out") "/lib")
           (for-each delete-file
                     (list
                      "basic-server"
                      "helloworld"
                      "postcollector")))

over:

postInstall = ''
   rm  $out/lib/basic-server $out/lib/helloworld $out/lib/postcollector
''

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

in reply to msherburn33 • 1 mese fa • •

Yes, having programmed bash and its predecessors for 30 years and several lisps (Clojure, Racket, Guile, a little SBCL) in the last 15 years, I very much prefer the Scheme version in this place.

Why?

This code fragment is part of a much larger system, so readability and consistency counts
The Guile version supports a more powerful functionality, which is that evaluation of a package can have several extra results (called outputs). It is over a year that I read about that in the Guix documentation and yet I recognize it immediately.
the code tells me that it is removing examples.
the code fits neatly into a tidy system of several stages of build and packaging
the code uses a structured loop. Of course you can do that in shell as well - I am pointing this out because the bash version is a bit shorter because it does not use a loop.
Scheme has much safer and more robust string handling. The code will not do harmful things if a file name contains white space or happens to be equal to 'echo a; rm -rf /etc/*'.
Scheme strings handle Unicode well
If there is an error, it will not be silently ignored as is the norm in shell scripts which are not written by experts, but will throw it.
the code has less redundancy. For example, the bash version mentions three times the subfolder "lib", the Guile version only once. This makes it easier to refactor the code later.

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

(And don't get me wrong, Unix shells are great if you want to save on extra keys pressed in a terminal session. But there are reasons that the shell languages are not often used in larger programs.)

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balsoft

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

I agree with your overall point, that having a single consistent functional language for package descriptions and build scripts is a great thing, and that bash is awful, but your reasoning is somewhat flawed. The main drawbacks of bash are somewhat rectified in Nix because bash is very much contained/sandboxed, which prevents arbitrary damage to the system, and there are some nice defaults in stdenv too.

The Guile version supports a more powerful functionality, which is that evaluation of a package can have several extra results (called outputs). It is over a year that I read about that in the Guix documentation and yet I recognize it immediately.

Nix also supports multiple outputs (in fact this is where the concept of outputs in Guix came from)

the code tells me that it is removing examples.

You could also do that with Nix in an easier and more declarative fashion, either by adding a comment, or by doing this:

postInstallPhases = [ "removeExamplesPhase" ];
removeExamplesPhase = ''
  rm -f "$out"/lib/{basic-server,helloworld,postcollector}
'';

Scheme has much safer and more robust string handling. The code will not do harmful things if a file name contains white space or happens to be equal to 'echo a; rm -rf /etc/*'.

Bash is just two double quotes away from doing this too. See code above for an example

Scheme strings handle Unicode well

Bash also handles Unicode well

If there is an error, it will not be silently ignored as is the norm in shell scripts which are not written by experts, but will throw it.

Nixpkgs stdenv sets set -eu which has a similar effect. If that code fails, the entire build will fail too.

the code has less redundancy. For example, the bash version mentions three times the subfolder “lib”, the Guile version only once. This makes it easier to refactor the code later.

This is also really quite easy to rectify in bash, see code above.

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iopq

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

Can't you just define a macro called rm-f and pass a list of files to remove?

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

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Of course, this would be no problem. Can also be a function. The expliciteness serves readability.

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balsoft

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Bash code should definitely be

rm -f "$out"/lib/{basic-server,helloworld,postcollector}

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iopq

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Yes, because the bash example is a string inside of nix so it will have string highlighting inside of my text editor

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Matt

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

Guix is way too libre for me to use.

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Drito

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

Why Guix packages are unsuitable for graphical desktop apps ?

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

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They aren't?

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Drito

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They aren't on my Arch linux with Guix package manager

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samc

in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • 1 mese fa • •

I had a go at using guix as a package manager on top of an existing distro (first an immutable fedora, which went terribly, then OpenSUSE). Gave up for a few reasons:

As mentioned in the article, guix pull is sloow.
Packages were very out of date, even Emacs. If I understand correctly, 30.1 was only added last month, despite having been available since February. I get that this isn't the longest wait, but for the piece of software you can expect most guix users to be running, it doesn't bode well.
The project I was interested in trying out (Gypsum) had a completely broken manifest. Seems like it worked on the dev's machine though, which made me concerned about how well guix profiles actually isolate Dev environments. This was probably an error on the dev's part, but I'd argue such errors should be hard to make by design.

All in all I love the idea of guix, but I think it needs a bigger community behind it. Of course I'm part of the problem by walking away, but 🤷

gypsum

Archive of project prior to name change

^Codeberg.org

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HaraldvonBlauzahn

in reply to samc • 1 mese fa • •

As mentioned in the article, guix pull is sloow.

This one has beem discussed on several forums discussing the original blog post, like here or also here on lobste.rs

Part of the reason for slow pulls is that the GNU projects savannah server, which Guix was using so far, is not fast, especially with git repos. Luckily, this is already being improved because Guix is moving to codeberg.org, a FOSS nonprofit org which is hosted in Europe. So if one changes the configured server URL, it is faster. (On top of that interested people might use the opportunity to directly take influence, and donate to codeberg so that they can afford even better hardware 😉).

Trying Guix: A Nixer's Impressions

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^lobste.rs

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OpenAI and UK sign deal to use AI in public services

The US tech firm behind ChatGPT say it will work with the UK government to "deliver prosperity for all".

^{Mitchell Labiak (BBC News)}

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An Introduction to the Command-Line

Oliver - An Introduction to the Command-Line (on Unix-like systems)

^{www.oliverelliott.org}

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CodandChips

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Thanks for this! New summer holiday reading!

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littleomid

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Excellent article.

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Fedora Must (Carefully) Embrace Flathub

Motivation Opportunity is upon us! For the past few years, the desktop Linux user base has been growing at a historically high rate. StatCounter currently has us at 4.14% desktop OS market share...

^{Michael Catanzaro (Michael Catanzaro's Blog)}

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cronenthal

in reply to petsoi • 1 mese fa • •

Uhm, isn't bazzite practically what the author is asking for?

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Botzo

in reply to cronenthal • 1 mese fa • •

That's certainly part of the motivation (see the 4th paragraph).

Yes, image based. No, not Bazzite specifically, but silverblue (and kinoite) under the fedora banner directly.

But that's not really the point of the article. In order for those to go mainstream, flatpak and especially flathub have a lot of maturing to do first, and the author lays out a pretty good roadmap with thorough explanations.

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marlowe221

in reply to Botzo • 1 mese fa • •

That’s kind of what the ublue project is doing. Bazzite is a part of that, of course. But it also has more “normal” versions like Bluefin (gnome) and Aurora (plasma).

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quarterlife

in reply to Botzo • 1 mese fa • •

They're already mainstream, any belief otherwise is ridiculous to the point of being parody.

Meanwhile you have Fedora getting legal threats because they're shipping broken software in their own flatpak repo that exists only to waste developer time and project resources at the expense of its users and their experience.

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Botzo

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I'd love to think so too, but I think our echo chamber is pretty tight.

I certainly think they're ready for mainstream usage (I have one Bazzite install myself), but I don't think there's significant awareness beyond the dedicated fan base.

There aren't really any actually useful metrics that I know of, but the only one of the 3 I've mentioned that broke into distrowatch's top 100 is Bazzite, and that's only in the last few months.

And for legal threats: I doubt any court in any country will give credence to that. Fedora is MIT licensed.

License of Fedora Linux

Learn more about Fedora Linux, the Fedora Project & the Fedora Community.

^{Fedora Docs}

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quarterlife

in reply to Botzo • 1 mese fa • •

The legal threats were credible and resulted in yet more wasted developer time removing that package instead of the entire useless repo.

You're forgetting that millions of Steam Deck consoles have been sold and all of them are flathub exclusive.

On top of that you have: Mint, Vanilla OS, Endless OS, OpenMandriva, PopOS!, Clear Linux, PureOS, ZorinOS, KDE Neon, GNOME OS, Salix, and many others all shipping flathub by default.

Fedora is in a very exclusive group of distros dumb enough to ship their own flatpak repo.

Bringing up Distrowatch stats and "Echo chamber" in the same comment is the most absurd thing I've seen this year.

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juipeltje

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I think he was referring to immutable distros not being mainstream, not flatpaks.

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quarterlife

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That's irrelevant to this conversation

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juipeltje

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What? He said "in order to go mainstream", referring to immutable distros like bazzite.

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quarterlife

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Bazzite is not immutable, and SteamOS is as mainstream as it gets while being A/B root immutable.

All of them ship Flathub because it's ready for public consumption.

If the attempt here is to argue that cloud native isn't mainstream and change topics from flathub, you are proudly in a bubble of 3% of the computing industry while your peers in the Linux server space and Android run circles around you.

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juipeltje

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Pretty sure bazzite is immutable, it is based on silverblue after all. But that's besides the point, i just wanted to point out that you probably misunderstood what he was saying. Immutable distros being mainstream kinda depends on how you look at it i suppose. Purely in terms of amount of users, with steamos and bazzite being so popular, i guess you could consider it mainstream, but how many people actually choose a distro because it is immutable? Steamos just happens to ship with the steam deck, bazzite is popular because it mimicks steamos for other devices, and if you look at something else like NixOS, it's more about the system being declarative rather than immutable. It's probably safe to say that flatpak is the most popular third party package manager though, i do agree with that.

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Leaflet

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There are broken Flatpaks in Flathub too. Does Flathub deserve legal threats too? No.

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quarterlife

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If they behave anything like what Fedora did, yes.

OBS chose Flathub as their official default supported option for their software. Fedora took that software, modified it to update dependencies they weren't ready to use yet, and then put it on their store in a completely broken state with all of OBS's trademarks intact and in a way that made it preferred over the official one, and then fought OBS over removing it for months while it racked up support requests from unsuspecting users (victims of Fedora's shitty policies).

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Leaflet

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Not at all.
- Bazzite preinstalls Flathub apps by default. The author still wants to use Fedora Flatpaks for the preinstalled apps.
- Bazzite ships Flathub unfiltered. The author wants to only show FLOSS software built on trusted platforms by default (so no taking a precompiled binary and shipping that).
- Bazzite ships Flathub in spite of its flaws. The author wants Fedora to work with Flathub to clean up its issues before shipping the remote by default.

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warmaster

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Bazzite ships Flathub unfiltered.

Last update (which replaced Discover with Bazaar) changed that.

so no taking a precompiled binary and shipping that.

All FLOSS apps on Flathub are built on trusted platforms by default, in the open and verifiable. Same thing with Brew.

Not including proprietary software in the default config is a valid choice every distro has to make.

The sudden success of Bazzite comes from how easy it is to use.

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Leaflet

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Last update (which replaced Discover with Bazaar) changed that.

In a way, true. But I don't think they are using flatpak's filter mechanism. I believe the filtering is done by Bazaar itself. That means that even if Bazaar is hiding an app, you are still able to install it manually from the CLI.

The intent is also different. Bazaar is filtering out footguns, like the Steam flatpak on Bazzite (since Steam is preinstalled as an RPM) and Bluefin hides flatpak IDEs.

All FLOSS apps on Flathub are built on trusted platforms by default, in the open and verifiable.

That's not true. Take LocalSend as an example. It does not build LocalSend on Flathub. It simply takes a GitHub release URL of a compiled tar.gz. And GitHub releases do not have to be built on GitHub, you are able to upload any local file and have it shown as a release.

The sudden success of Bazzite comes from how easy it is to use.

I agree. But it's also important to have principles and to stick to them. The great thing about Fedora Atomic is that Fedora is able to create their FLOSS OS following their principles and others are able to take that base and build upon it to create their vision.

Fedora doesn't have to be for everyone.

org.localsend.localsend_app/org.localsend.localsend_app.yml at master · flathub/org.localsend.localsend_app

Contribute to flathub/org.localsend.localsend_app development by creating an account on GitHub.

^GitHub

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quarterlife

in reply to warmaster • 1 mese fa • •

No it's still unfiltered, we just removed 3 footguns that are pre-installed in the image anyway.

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Matty_r

in reply to warmaster • 1 mese fa • •

I wish they didn't need to replace Discover and were able to integrate changes into it upstream instead of implementing Bazaar. I'm sure they had their reasons though.

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quarterlife

in reply to cronenthal • 1 mese fa • •

Bazzite is popular precisely because we ignore bad opinions such as these. Flathub is mainstream and all the whinging in the world isn't going to change that.

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TimLovesTech

in reply to petsoi • 1 mese fa • •

That "article" is painful to try and read, it's like a run on thought that bounces all over the place. The author really should make a clear outline and could probably cut out half by not saying the same thing over and over and over again. I stopped after the third time I read about Fedora flatpaks are different from flathub flatpaks, and users like flathub more, but the author is apparently eventually going to explain why that's an issue after 2K words of nonsense.

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exu

in reply to petsoi • 1 mese fa • •

It's great they're having this discussion, but some of the arguments seem overblown and imply Flathub does less reviewing of app than actually does.

Outdated runtimes aren't great either, but as they learned with OBS, just updating to the newest version broke a bunch of stuff.

See this blog post for a response that was made to similar criticisms during the OBS issue. Flathub Safety: A Layered Approach from Source to User

Flathub Safety: A Layered Approach from Source to User

With thousands of apps and billions of downloads, Flathub has a responsibility to help ensure the safety of our millions of active users.

^{Cassidy James Blaede (docs.flathub.org)}

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Leaflet

in reply to exu • 1 mese fa • •

What OBS did was bad. They should not have stuck to an EOL runtime, period. It would have been better if they temporarily moved to a supported freedesktop runtime and vendored in their Qt dependencies. That way, they would have been using a supported runtime while still using their outdated Qt version until the upstream issues were fixed.

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LeFantome

in reply to Leaflet • 1 mese fa • •

What they did was bad but I am glad the Flatpak kept working.

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LeFantome

in reply to exu • 1 mese fa • •

We can flag old runtimes as out of date. Individual users or whole distros can set preferences to anvoid out of date runtimes. But Flathab must support out of date runtimes.

If an app has not been updated, I want it to continue running.

I want FlatHub to support binary only apps (like commercial ones) as well.

FlatHub is supposed to be the easy, one-stop place to publish apps. If I cannot put my app there, it is a problem.

It is supposed to be the place I get apps that will run on my distro. If the app I use daily that has not been updated in 10 years stops working, I am annoyed.

Fedora wants to deprecate runtimes that would still be “stable” on Debian.

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beleza pura

in reply to petsoi • 1 mese fa • •

didn't read the article, but i never got the point of having a distro-specific flathub repo. isn't being distro-agnostic the main thing about flatpaks?

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pmk

in reply to beleza pura • 1 mese fa • •

It's about making sure you know what is inside the flatpaks. If you make your own set of flatpaks, you can distribute them with the OS. It's not that fedora flatpaks aren't distro-agnostic, you can use them on any distro. They just want a set where they can verify the build process and trust.

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beleza pura

in reply to pmk • 1 mese fa • •

then why not just use regular packages?

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pmk

in reply to beleza pura • 1 mese fa • •

Indeed. I believe most users will just switch to flathub. Sort of how most users will install some codecs, but it can't legally be included in the base install.

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ibot

in reply to beleza pura • 1 mese fa • •

I think, because of Fedoras atomic desktops. I didn't use any of them yet, but it seems like Flatpaks should be used there, since one should (or can?) not install tradional packages there. Therefore Fedora provides the flatpaks anyway and they can be used on the non atomic desktops as well.

Another reason is, that you might not be able to install the latest version of an application as rpm package if a required dependency in the repo is outdated. A Flatpak usually does not have the issue since a newer version would include the fitting runtime.
This said, I do think its not this big of an issue for fedora which is usually quite up to date. But if you run a distribution with LTS releases or something like Debian you will much more likely have older dependencies in your repositiry.

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beleza pura

in reply to ibot • 1 mese fa • •

atomic desktops

i guess it makes sense in that case, but i'm really not convinced flatpaks should be used as the default (or only, apparently) way to install every application in the system. flatpak's flexibility is great for the particular cases where you want to install newer versions of applications or if an application isn't available in the official repos somehow. besides that, just use distro packages

Another reason is, that you might not be able to install the latest version of an application as rpm package if a required dependency in the repo is outdated

doesn't flathub solve that already?

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Leaflet

in reply to beleza pura • 1 mese fa • •

Not distro specific. They are Flatpaks built according to Fedora’s philosophy. But you can use them anywhere. I’ve used them on Ubuntu and OpenSUSE.

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beleza pura

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sounds weird to me. aren't we replicating the repository problem if each distro decides to make a flatpak repo according to their own philosophies?

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Leaflet

in reply to beleza pura • 1 mese fa • •

Depends what you mean by "problem". The biggest problem with traditional packages like debs and rpms is that compatibility sucks. They only reliably run on the distro and version they are designed for. Third party packages typically build on old dependencies and hope that backwards compatibility will allow them to run without issue on later distro versions.

Yes, it's redundant to have have the same app packaged as flatpaks. Though I don't think that redundancy is necessarily a bad thing. Flathub is not a profitable project and has up to this point relied on Gnome for funding. There's work being done to spin it out to be it's own thing and hopefully be supported by paid apps. But what if that fails and it shuts down? Or less dramatically, what if Flathub has a major outage?

One of the common complaints against snap is that there is only one store, controlled by Canonical. Flatpak is designed to support multiple stores. I don't see why they can't exist side by side. That's exactly what I do. I have dozens of apps installed from each source.

And to address the claim of what if "each distro decides to make a flatpak repo according to their own philosophies?". I guess that would depend on how many resources are being poured into supporting that. If flatpak continues to push for OCI support, then that would make it easier for distros to have their own remotes, if they desire. If not, they can just use an existing option. Whether that be Flathub or Fedora. Personally, I think Fedora Flatpaks are a good match for Debian and OpenSUSE's policies, only real downside is that major Gnome app updates would be a month delayed, annoying Tumbleweed users.

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beleza pura

in reply to Leaflet • 1 mese fa • •

i don't have an issue with multiple flatpak repos. i'd actually find it very interesting if we went a more decentralized route with flatpak (maybe kde, gnome, mozzila would each have their own repos). but i don't see the point of a distro-specific flatpak when we already have normal packages. compatibility is kind of a non-issue, since you're not supposed to install them elsewhere anyway (unlike flatpaks)

also, i see absolutely no reason to use fedora's flatpak repo on debian given that flathub exists already. you could add it if you want it, but what's the point?

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Leaflet

in reply to beleza pura • 1 mese fa • •

Fedora and Debian have similar philosophies. FOSS only, packages must be built from source, no vendored dependencies. So they have similar policies regarding security and Fedora Flatpaks align closer to that than Flathub.

I believe Debian also doesn’t ship patented codecs in their main repo.

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beleza pura

in reply to Leaflet • 1 mese fa • •

that makes a little more sense, though debian is not as strict as fedora about propietary software (it is in the separate nonfree section, but that's it)

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Leaflet

in reply to beleza pura • 1 mese fa • •

I don't think nonfree is enabled by default. Though I guess the repos are still hosted by debian, unlike RPMFusion. Though Fedora does treat it as semi-official given that parts of it can be enabled during first setup.

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quarterlife

in reply to beleza pura • 1 mese fa • •

Yes, we are. It's exactly why it shouldn't be done and why Fedora is the only project wasting their time with this.

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typhoon

in reply to petsoi • 1 mese fa • •

Why only Fedora?

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LeFantome

in reply to typhoon • 1 mese fa • •

Fedora maintains its own Flatpak repo that competes with Flathub. This is about merging them.

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L'enorme braccio reclutato per agevolare la rinascita del nucleare in Gran Bretagna - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri

Affermò la profezia: “E quando il destino dovrà compiersi, il giorno si trasformerà in notte, e il normale ciclo diurno sembrerà finire prima dell’ora del tramonto.

^{Jacopo (Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri)}

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Sosthène Guédon via The Signal messenger and protocol.

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Signal stories shows what I want social media to be

I initially didn't understand the point of stories in apps like WhatsApp or Snapchat. I never really used any app with such a feature.

^SGued

#signal

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Bob Robertson IX

in reply to scytale • 1 mese fa • •

I use Signal the way I want Social Media to be... I share things with specific people who I think will appreciate what I'm sharing, and if I ever want to share something with everyone I chat with on Signal, then I will use Stories. I almost never use Stories because I rarely ever want to share something with everyone, however a few weeks ago I saw that someone I used to work with had posted a Story. He was breaking ground on building his new house. He has spent the past decade living extremely frugally at a campground, saving all of his money toward the goal of building a house, and now he's begun building. It was EXACTLY the type of thing that I think we could all agree is what Social Media should be for, and since he isn't on facebook or instagram, he used Signal.

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william.maggos

in reply to Bob Robertson IX • 1 mese fa • •

@tchambers

I think we need different terms for the different ways people want to use these services.

Some want to reach the world (old school twitter etc) while others just want to reach friends/family (Facebook etc). I guess others want something more like a messaging service. IDK

@Tim Chambers

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Verax
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Choosing a Linux Distro

Hi there. I m changing away from windows. I already tested some stuff. I started with fedora GNOME. But GNOME wasn't for me I felt. So I did go with Linux mint cinnamon. That felt better but not as snappy and fast as fedora. Then I did go with fedora KDE plasma and man I like KDE plasma. That's a thing for me. Then I tried because of recommendations popos with cosmic. I don't know why but it didn't felt right. So another recommendation later I tried cachy is with KDE. KDE was good but catchy gave me some erros and problems so back to fedora with KDE.

Now my real question.
1. Manjaro Linux is a European distro? Only I often see it with popos and Linux mint and fedora that these are good beginner distros? Is it stable? Customisation in KDE is the same everywhere I guess? Does many people use it? Is it really beginner friendly and snappy? Is it stable?
2. Opensuse also has KDE but it seems that its not a beginner distro. Also online its not often spoken about. Is it harder to use? Or is it beginner friendly? Customisation KDE again. Is it stable or does it break often? Does many people use it.
3. Fedora, manjaro, opensuse? Which off these with KDE is most beginner friendly and stable. Is used much so I can find help when something is going on. Customisable. Stable?

Or any other Good KDE Distros out there.

#linux

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Jumuta

in reply to Verax • 1 mese fa • •

there's:

KDE neon (sorta dodgy but always has the newest KDE release on top of ubuntu)
Kubuntu (KDE on ubuntu but a bit old)
Debian+KDE (KDE but a good few months old)

I wouldn't recommend manjaro, they're very dodgy

Opensuse is pretty good, iirc they have a GUI for most configuration items and you get the newest packages for everything. it's like easier arch

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hddsx

in reply to Jumuta • 1 mese fa • •

What makes Manjaro dodgy?

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Jumuta

in reply to hddsx • 1 mese fa • •

they've had a few SSL certificate renewal issues and the way they dealt with that was very dodgy (asking to just ignore it)

also manjaro beginners seem to often use the AUR which isn't really supported for manjaro and break their install in the process

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edel

in reply to Jumuta • 1 mese fa • •

That was 3 years ago. I understand they made a mistake (twice) but ok since then. I think most of the Manjaro criticism is no longer warranted. All distros had made mistakes.

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MyNameIsRichard

in reply to hddsx • 1 mese fa • •

The distro itself is OK, and it's fine if you switch to their "unstable" repositories so it directly mirrors Arch. Where the problems lie is in the admin. In the past they have:

Let their certificates expire and suggested that users put their clocks back to work around it, several times.
DDOSed the AUR with coding mistakes in pamac, at least twice.
Had controversy regarding their finances.
Other things that I can't remember right now.

They seem to have sorted themselves out as their have been no reports of mistakes recently. But trust once lost, is hard to regain.

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PlatonicGin

in reply to MyNameIsRichard • 1 mese fa • •

Remember when they dropped hardware acceleration a few years ago? That was what got me to move off.

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MyNameIsRichard

in reply to PlatonicGin • 1 mese fa • •

Now that you come to mention it, I have a vague memory of a few distros doing that because of licencing issues.

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iopq

in reply to Jumuta • 1 mese fa • •

I don't like any distros where I have to fight the system to get it to do what I want. And to install GrapheneOS I needed a normal Chromium, not snap (because of USB access). You won't believe how much Ubuntu will fight you over this these days

If I wanted to scour the web for a .deb I'd still be using Windows

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Jumuta

in reply to iopq • 1 mese fa • •

same, that's why I like neon/debian a lot

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OhVenus_Baby

in reply to iopq • 1 mese fa • •

I had this same issue and I was about to tweak out. I love mint and it really is the best OS out of the box with no tweaks but damn. Debian edition mint for the win. Ubuntu shit is nice but it introduces breakage every few updates and I hate debugging or fixing issues. I want shit to just work at this point. So I jumped ship to NIX and I really love it but there's still some debugging occasionally. I guess that's the norm with Linux. Pick your poison.

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suoko

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Kubuntu is not a bit old, currently is 6.3 while newest kde is 6.4
Iif you use an os for its SW and not its de, remember kubuntu let's you access snaps, flat packs, appimagss and all tutorials for Ubuntu out there.

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pogodem0n

in reply to Verax • 1 mese fa • •

Fedora KDE pretty much offers the best KDE Plasma experience, maybe right after OpenSuse.

If you are still using Fedora, I recommend sticking with it. It doesn't get much better than that.

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hddsx

in reply to pogodem0n • 1 mese fa • •

I wouldn’t use Fedora mainly because I object to how IBM/RedHat handled the removal of CentOS and how they hampered RockyLinux from keeping the original CentOS mission going

I would pick a leaf off the Debian tree

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pogodem0n

in reply to hddsx • 1 mese fa • •

Fedora is not Red Hat. While they fund Fedora development, they don't dictate how to it is ran.

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hddsx

in reply to pogodem0n • 1 mese fa • •

Fedora is upstream CentOS Steam which is upstream RHEL. It’s part of RHEL cycle/stream

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edel

in reply to pogodem0n • 1 mese fa • •

For those of us that despise Red Hat, sorry, but increasing the user base of Fedora, dramatically helps Red Hat's marketability and profitability (and IBM's). These companies not only make decisions bad for the FOSS community but way too happy to do business with a country massacring kids as we speak too. Now, I still recommend using Fedora since, as you say they are not straight IBM and they are at the vanguard, yet, for those with a conscience on these matters, there are as equally comparable offers out there.

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Pumasuedeblue

in reply to hddsx • 1 mese fa • •

Which is why I moved to Debian/Ubuntu based and haven't looked back.
But functionally, nearly every distro has a different strength and purpose, so go with whatever piques your interest.

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tychosmoose

in reply to Verax • 1 mese fa • •

openSUSE Tumbleweed is the rolling release, where you may have dependency decisions to make during regular updates. Updates must be done in the terminal.

The more beginner friendly version is openSUSE Leap. That has a longer release cycle, and you use the Discover interface (or yeast, or zypper in the terminal) to update.

Either is pretty friendly. Both have recent KDE.

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RotatingParts

in reply to Verax • 1 mese fa • •

If you install the latest Kubuntu with backports enabled, you can get a newer version of KDE than the one that comes "stock" with Kubuntu. The KDE version isn't as new as KDE Neons', but still newish.

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sic_semper_tyrannis

in reply to Verax • 1 mese fa • •

Use Fedora workstation or Fedora Kinoite if you want an atomic version. If you just want a system to work and you don't care to tinker much I highly recommend Kinoite as it won't break easily on you and is very stable.

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Verax

in reply to sic_semper_tyrannis • 1 mese fa • •

I don't like gnome. Kinoite means?

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Sunoc

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It’s atomic Fedora with KDE

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LeFantome

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If it starts with a K, it is probably KDE

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brucethemoose

in reply to Verax • 1 mese fa • •

CachyOS!

cachyos.org/

It’s like Manjaro but better, and highly KDE focused. TBH… don’t use Manjaro, SUSE is much better than that.

CachyOS — Blazingly Fast OS based on Arch Linux

🚀 CachyOS is an Arch Linux-based distribution that offers an easy installation, several customization options to suit every user, and special optimizations for improved performance while remaining simple.

^cachyos.org

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Verax

in reply to brucethemoose • 1 mese fa • •

I already tried cachy, i wrote, but it wasn't for me.

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brucethemoose

in reply to Verax • 1 mese fa • •

Oh I missed that, sorry. What errors, specifically? Maybe something I can help troubleshoot?

Either way, Manjaro (or EndeavorOS) would likely give you very similar issues, so I suppose my vote is still openSUSE.

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banazir

in reply to Verax • 1 mese fa • •

openSUSE and Fedora with Plasma will be fine choices for you, based your post. Tumbleweed will take a bit more work, but usually it's nothing too difficult. You can also go with Leap, which generally won't have the same issues Tumbleweed has. I personally use Tumbleweed and like it a lot.

Fedora is just an all around solid distro, endorsed by Linus Torvalds himself! In my opinion, since you already have some experience with it, stick with Fedora. It'll be fine.

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edel

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OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is pretty solid and 98% of the refinement of Fedora, that in my opinion, it is the most polished of them all. Now, using Fedora supports companies like Red Hat/IBM so it is a no-no for me.

The only thing OpenSUSE has is that is independent so does a few things differently than Debian or Fedora based ones, but after a few retouches that you will learn in no time you will be at the level of Fedora. It is perfectly OK for beginners, just that there are a few things differently, sometimes for the better like many utilities from YAST, but will be different from what you find in most non OpenSUSE forums. Again, is minimal, 95% of the staff is the same. Unfortunately, it does not have the costumer base that Ubuntus/Mint/Fedora has, but the supporters are technically highly committed and competent, they just need to improve in their marketing arena that is what is holding them down.

Another KDE that I like is TuxedoOS. It works perfectly in non Tuxedo devices and very stable in my experience... I even had better stability experience than Kubuntu, and that says a lot.

Did not play enough with Manjaro and will try in a few days. It had some bad press but I think is more due to diverging a bit from Arch philosophy of instant updates than anything else. CachyOS I recommend only for latest computers or those willing to adjust things a bit once in a while.

For older devices, MXLinux KDE is the ideal in integrated graphics chips.

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Matt

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using Fedora supports companies like Red Hat/IBM so it is a no-no for me.

How? You go to their site and download the ISO for free. Of course, there is the disclosure from Red Hat that you can't use Fedora in a country that is considered an adversary by the US, but lbh, who gives a shit about that?

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edel

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By using Fedora, one helps Red Hat/IBM in different ways:
- With more usage of Fedora, Linux enthusiasts cater to that distro more and more, and Red hat benefits from all that feedback and large customer base. Fedora gets better and Red Hat stands out over the competition.
- With larger customer base, Red Hat's board approve to allocate more resources to the platform, increasing its competitive advantage.
- With more users of Fedora, Red Hat can find more qualified professionals that grew up using already Fedora, increasing its human capital competitive advantage.

Customer base, paying or no, is a tremendous competitive advantage... that is why Microsoft winked at piracy across the globe for 2 decades so companies purchased their solutions since millions of users already knew how to use them. Of course, once the competition was out, Microsoft started to hike prices tremendously.

Of course, the development of Fedora, since it is FOSS, benefits all the community, but it also feeds the monster in the process that, at the moment they want, they pull the rug on the community that, at that stage, won't have any companies that can take the lead anymore.

The moral here, if behind Fedora is a company that did bad things for FOSS, that it is owned by a company that contributes with the IDF, and both are based in a country that any day may ban Red hat technology to be distributed to any foreign country of their choosing... why choosing Fedora when plenty of alternatives are equally comparable, more ethical and less prone to manipulation.

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Eugenia

in reply to Verax • 1 mese fa • •

Linux Mint is actually fast, and uses half the RAM of Fedora (see shots: files.mastodon.social/media_at… and files.mastodon.social/media_at… ). With a bit of tweaking, and using the Cinnamenu menu instead of the default one, it feels really good. On Fedora KDE I got updates every couple of days to the excess of 1 GB. I'm on 50mbps internet, and that was too much for me.

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Verax

in reply to Eugenia • 1 mese fa • •

Yeah mint cinnamon isn't bad but I like KDE plasma more. And search a distro that uses that.

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witness_me

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I’ll give a contrasting opinion.

I’ve used both Fedora and Manjaro extensively, and I prefer Manjaro.

The reason is that I prefer the package management of Arch more than fedora. I’ve had no issues finding what I need through the official arch repositories and the AUR (secondary choice).

Manjaro is a bleeding edge distro so keep that in mind. Personally, I’ve had no problems in the last year of running it.

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nfms

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Lot's of great answers already. I'll just had my thoughts and hope it helps.
Choosing a Linux distro is fucking hard, but the good thing is that you already have a DE (Desktop Environment) that you like, KDE Plasma (KDE is the community, Plasma is the name of the DE) and it's my favorite.

1 - Manjaro was my first distro for daily use. I would not recommend it, i don't think it's stable enough to get into linux. Would not recommend any Arch based distro.
2 - OpenSuse is an old distribution, but not beginner friendly, so maybe not a good idea to dip your toes into it.
3 - Fedora is well established with lots of documentation, a big community and a 6 month update release model that should give you the newest features very fast while still maintaining stability. I don't recommend the Atomic distros. If you've already installed and it works then stick with it for a while.

There are also the Ubuntu based distros like Kubuntu, KDE Neon or Tuxedo OS. Ubuntu has probably the largest user base, so documentation is abound everywhere regardless of the distro you pick.

You're already testing out different distros, try to daily drive for a month and read up on what makes them different. In general it's how to install software, the release model ("Long Term Support" or "Rolling Release") and the core system. Apps are installed on top of the system and right now come in a variety of formats. I strongly recommend that you enable Flatpak on the distro you chose and use the Discovery app for software management.

Edit: Added "Tuxedo OS"

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Verax

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I also thought about Kubuntu and KDE neon. I think I will test these 2 and then decide between these 2 and fedora. After reading all this I don't think opensuse and mamjaro are for me for now.

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LeFantome

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Sounds like you nailed if

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xtapa

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I started with Opensuse Tumbleweed about 2 years ago from almost 0 knowledge and never looked back.

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Captain Aggravated

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Pop!_OS' Cosmic DE is a recent fork of Gnome. It's the fourth "No, I'd rather put up with being a FOSS project manager for the rest of my life than keep using Gnome" DE I'm aware of, after:

MATE is basically "No, we like how Gnome 2 was, so we're keeping it."
Cinnamon is basically "GTK3 is cool but we're not doing all this "almost nothing works because you HAVE to use it EXACTLY like this" crap. Linux Mint is basically a grievance distro; it's defuckulated Ubuntu with defuckulated Gnome.
Unity. Because Canonical was reinventing the wheel, the inclined plane, the lever, human speech, electromagnetism, fire, antiperspirant, package management, the display service and the init system, so why not the DE as well?
Cosmic. I'm not sure why System76 bothered, other than Gnome wasn't sparkly enough.

Onto your actual questions:

I don't know if Manjaro is European or not, but I have given up on them. They've made a lot of rookie mistakes like letting security certificates expire, they dropped the ball pretty hard with the PinePhone IIRC, and every time I've attempted to use Manjaro it just didn't work that well.

Pop!_OS is the in-house distro of System76, a for-profit computer vendor based in Colorado. It's meant to work well on their hardware out of the box; the big claim to fame that I saw when they were the trendy distro of the week is they had a version that had Nvidia drivers baked into the install, so to the end user "If you have an Nvidia card, click the link on the website that says Nvidia and it works."

Linux Mint, as previously mentioned, is mostly concerned with distancing itself from questionable decisions made by Ubuntu and Gnome. It maintains compatibility with Ubuntu, so Ubuntu install instructions for software pretty much always work with Mint, and yet the DE is more easily understood by Windows users.

Fedora is Decommercialized Red Hat, honestly I don't really see them making much effort towards beginners besides maybe their immutable/atomic versions.

Customization of KDE is going to be pretty similar if you stick to things you can change via the settings menu, at some point during "customization" you'll find the boundary between DE and distro. Yes, many people use KDE. Unlike Gnome, they haven't pissed off four different groups over the ages resulting in forks. KDE is mighty popular.

"Is it really beginner friendly, snappy, stable?" Lots of things "it" could be, if you mean KDE...yeah? I personally prefer Cinnamon as a "give to grandma" OS because KDE tends to slop more crap on the screen, especially in that One Settings Menu To Rule Them All they have. This is a subjective experience but, if I ever found myself thinking "Is there a setting to change this?" I felt more able to find that setting in Cinnamon than in KDE.

I know very little about OpenSuSe, I've never once tried a SuSe-based distro.
Out of the three you listed, I'd go with Fedora. I'm typing this on a machine running Fedora KDE. I would personally recommend KDE Neon or Kubuntu before Manjaro or OpenSuSe. Manjaro because I've had bad luck with Manjaro, and I have no experience with SuSe. I might also steer you to EndeavourOS or vanilla Arch over Manjaro.

You've used the word "stable" a lot. Users typically mean "is it going to crash?" None of these are going to crash, you're not going to crash Linux. What you might find, depending on the distro, is someone will push an update to a software package that breaks your workflow. Debian Stable, Ubuntu LTS, distros like those do point-in-time feature freezes to avoid that possibility. You might not get the newest features but your system will continue to work like it always has. Rolling release distros like Arch push updates as soon as their developers release them, so you get all the cutting edge features, bugs and breakages.

Of the three you listed, Manjaro will be the least "stable" by that definition; it's a fork of Arch. Fedora and OpenSuSe are both forks of commercial distros so you get that less, but I can attest on Fedora it does happen, they broke the lock screen last month. You want to never reboot your computer to find something suddenly doesn't work, go with Debian Stable.

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MyNameIsRichard

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Fedora and OpenSuSe are both forks of commercial distros

It's a bit more complicated than that with openSUSE. Tumbleweed is a snapshot of the Factory repo that's put through automated testing, and if it passes, it is released straight away. Suse Enterprise Linux is also a snapshot of the Factory repo that's put through a polishing process and when it's ready, released. Leap is a community fork of Suse Enterprise Linux.

Both Tumbleweed and Leap are good, the former if you want bang up to date software and the latter if you prefer older software in a more stable, as in unchanging, distro.

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pyssla

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This was originally intended as a longer comment, but the previous draft unfortunately blinked out of existence... Though, I'm more than willing to shed some light on the distros discussed below if you're interested.

Or any other Good KDE Distros out there.

I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned them yet. Thus, for the sake of completeness, consider Aurora and Bazzite. It's what I would personally install/recommend for/to relatives/friends that would like to make the switch to Linux.

Aurora - The Linux-based ultimate workstation

The ultimate productivity workstation, stable and streamlined for you.

^{getaurora.dev}

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Verax

in reply to pyssla • 1 mese fa • •

Aurora on their website looks really promising but I guess its a rather small distro that not many people know?

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pyssla

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but I guess its a rather small distro that not many people know?

It's true that it's not as well-established as many of the other distros discussed here; it probably has like 1k users or so. Which is quite literally just a small fraction of Fedora KDE's over a 120k user base. Granted, it's a relatively new distro built on Fedora's latest/'future' tech. Usage numbers should follow eventually^[Based on Fedora's (current) intentions to default to said latest/'future' tech when the time is right.].

Thankfully, that same tech enables Aurora (and other projects like it) to be very robust and reliable; tangibly more so than the more popular 'traditional' alternatives. I assume you'll come to cherish and value this reliability, especially as stability seems to be a concern of yours.

Objective Review: Immutable variants are the majority of Fedora Linux in use

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domdanial

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I'm currently using bazzite, and I have had a couple of hiccups with it so far. One was it being immutable, meaning for any software that wasn't in the flatpak store, I have to spin up a container running a mutable version and use that.

The second is a weird audio thing where on install, the volume knob on my headset changed the system volume like I expected. Now, it changes like, local volume and doesn't show up as changing in the system volume.

Anyway, my only real point is that looking problems up on a small distro is harder, because it might be a bazzite problem, or a universal blue problem, or an atomic fedora problem, or a kde plasma problem, and it makes it difficult to search if you don't know the specific piece that is broken.

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pyssla

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One was it being immutable, meaning for any software that wasn't in the flatpak store, I have to spin up a container running a mutable version and use that.

Sorry for being that guy, but please allow me to nitpick the above:
- Bazzite's founder and lead maintainer doesn't refer to Bazzite as immutable^[I'd argue it's their legit resistance against the common notion/understanding of immutability that doesn't apply to Bazzite.].
- Bazzite supports a lot more than just Flatpak and pet containers. And that list isn't even complete.

my only real point is that looking problems up on a small distro is harder

While I agree that Aurora definitely is a small 'distro'^[The uBlue team doesn't refer to their images as such 😅. Frankly, I agree that the daily pipeline their images go through to deliver system updates screams everything but the traditional model. To be clear, in uBlue's model, the daily-delivered base system is rebuilt from source every single time. So, my base system of Bazzite is identical to yours (unless either one of us created their own image).], I'm not comfortable to refer to Bazzite as a small project. Both Steam's own metrics as well as ProtonDB's suggest that it holds a moderate chunk. Sure, with just over 25k users it isn't quite comparable to (say) Fedora's 300k+ user base. But it definitely ain't a slouch either.

As for the looking problems up part, honestly, if a quick search doesn't help ya, you should just go over to their Discord or Discourse and ask the friendly maintainers and community for help/support. ~~Heck, even their subreddit seems to be doing a commendable job.~~

Join the Universal Blue Discord Server!

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quarterlife

2025-07-23 17:25:32

Bazzite is not immutable, and SteamOS is as mainstream as it gets while being A/B root immutable.
All of them ship Flathub because it's ready for public consumption.
If the attempt here is to argue that cloud native isn't mainstream and change topics from flathub, you are proudly in a bubble of 3% of the computing industry while your peers in the Linux server space and Android run circles around you.

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feveryone

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easy non-gnome = plasma on Debian or xfce via mxlinux

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biocoder.ronin

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Why not Pop!_OS with vanilla Gnome3 and Wayland? It runs snappy and you don't need the experimental Cosmic desktop.

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arch

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EndeavourOS KDE Plasma is my favourite! It's really really considerate and inherits all the arch linux advantage :3

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emmy67

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I have to second this. It's been amazing across the board for so much. Lots of documentation to assist with problems and you learn so much.

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leastaction

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You can also install KDE Plasma on Linux Mint: linuxiac.com/how-to-install-kd… My own distro right now is TuxedoOS with KDE Plasma (Can go on any hardware, not just Tuxedo computers) and it works great for me.

How to Install KDE Plasma on Linux Mint 22

Ready to revamp your Mint experience? Learn how to install KDE Plasma on Linux Mint 22 and embrace a whole new level of functionalities.

^{Bobby Borisov (Linuxiac)}

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penguin202124 (he/him)

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Yes, Manjaro is European. KDE is the same everywhere. IMO it is not stable, but that is just an opinion. I'm not sure how many people use it.
OpenSUSE is relatively beginner friendly. Leap is the stable, non-rolling release, and Tumbleweed is the rolling, less stable but still stable release; Leap's packages can be old, so you may not have the newest KDE. For this reason, I'd recommend Tumbleweed. A fair amount of people use it.
I'd say use Fedora or switch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Fedora is more stable and used more, but OpenSUSE is European.

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jhdeval

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I use fedora kinoite atomic fedora with KDE. I have had no stability issues on a day to day usage for going on 2 years. I agree plasma is plasma regardless of distro but some distros update slower. Fedora is not bleeding edge but does do a pretty good job of staying ahead of the curve. I have been a Linux user since the 90's and have been around the block a few times with different distros. I always fall back to redhat/fedora for my desktop day to day.

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Pumasuedeblue

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I'm a recent convert from Mint Cinnamon to Kubuntu. I would definitely recommend it for being user friendly.

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Bronstein_Tardigrade

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distrowatchcom will give you a good overview of almost all distros and is a good place to start your search.

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bigmamoth

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Manjaro is hot shit.
If u want newbie friendly, Linux mint
Gamer friendly bazzite

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BlameTheAntifa

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OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is excellent and no less beginner friendly than any other major distro, so I wouldn’t worry. It really is one of the most underrated distros out there.

Kubuntu could be a good option for you, but I recommend doing the “Minimal” install to avoid Snaps and bloat.

If you are mostly about gaming and flatpak, then consider Bazzite. You can’t just install packages on Bazzite, so if you need to do things that aren’t already built in then you need to use containers or, as a last resort, create a new layers with rpm-ostree.

For the record, Arch and it’s offshoots don’t especially resonate with me, either. I want my OS to “just work”, but at the same time I want to have the ability to go wild whenever and however I feel like it.

I’ve been spending a lot of time with Bazzite lately and I’d wholeheartedly recommend it to most Linux newbies, especially gamers who want their system to “just work.” It’s also a very interesting system for jaded old Linux users because it works so differently than we’re used to. The “everything needs to be a container” paradigm is very interesting and has a lot of security and stability benefits.

If you want more control and freedom, then OpenSUSE is definitely the best option here. I’d only fallback to Kubuntu if there was some software you need that only ships in .deb and you have no other options. I’m not a fan of Canonical or what they’ve done to the Ubuntu ecosystem.

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sem

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I would second kubuntu as I use it daily, but I don't mind the snaps.

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simop_jo

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Dont choose your distro based on looks. For example, of you liked fedora but not gnome, try fedora KDE.

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Golden Age of Iraq

Before war and hardship reshaped its destiny, Iraq flourished in a golden era of art, architecture, and modern life.

Baghdad in the 1950s to '70s was a beacon of culture and intellect where poets, professors, and families shared spaces with sculpted monuments and bustling cafés. Red double-decker buses cruised wide boulevards, fashion echoed European trends, and the spirit of progress filled the air.

This was a nation confidently looking to the future, rich in history and proud of its identity, an Iraq now remembered through photos, memories, and the enduring resilience of its people.

#historyillustrations

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China starts building world’s biggest hydropower dam

Construction of the world’s biggest hydropower megadam has begun, China’s premier has said, calling it the “project of the century”.
The huge structure is being built on the Yarlung Tsangpo river, in Tibetan territory.
Li Qiang made the comments on Saturday, at a ceremony in the region to mark the start of the build, leading Chinese markets to rise on the expectation of the long-planned megaproject, first announced in 2020 as part of China’s 14th five-year plan.
The project announced by Li is planned for the lower reaches of the river, according to the official state news outlet, Xinhua. Xinhua reported that the project would consist of five cascade hydropower stations, producing an estimated 300 million megawatt hours of electricity annually at a cost of about 1.2tn yuan (£124bn).
In comparison, the Three Gorges dam cost 254.2bn yuan and generates 88.2m MWh.
The Yarlung Tsangpo megadam will reportedly harness the power created by the river dropping 2km in about 50km as it winds through a canyon on a U-shaped bend.
India and Bangladesh have voiced concerns over the project, fearing the water could be held or diverted away from them.
In response, officials have said China does not seek “water hegemony” and never pursues “benefits for itself at the expense of its neighbours”.

Archive link

China starts building world’s biggest hydropower dam

1.2tn yuan project has broken ground in Tibet, premier says, despite fears of downstream nations India and Bangladesh

^{Helen Davidson (The Guardian)}

#Worldnews

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ShinkanTrain

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5 cascades is cheating, booooooo

Also, DAMn

The lists goes on with South America and China dunking on everyone else.

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IWW4

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Wow so China already has five of the top ten largest and they are adding a new number 1.

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FilthyShrooms

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They're also the world's largest carbon emitter while still having a ton of hydroelectric power

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KimBongUn420

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In absolute terms sure. But the western countries export all of theirs to China by doing the production for their treats there. Also per Capita it's still less than the western average

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phneutral

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Dams are a huge problem for ecosystems. We should be abandon them not building larger and larger ones.

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rbn

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I know about some disadvantages of dams but I'm not sure if - in many regions - we have much of an alternative to buffer water over different seasons. We used to have huge glaciers in the mountains which retained snow in winter and released water in summer. But as more and more glaciers disappear, we have to come up with artificial measures to store water for agriculture, drinking water etc.

If we then can harvest electricity on top, that's a nice byproduct from my perspective.

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freagle

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China is aware of this problem and they recently deconstructed 3 (I think it was 3) dams for that reason. The fact that they are aware and taking action on this awareness leads me to believe that their review process for when to build a dam is a bit more robust than what we've been doing in the West (and what the West has been imposing on its subordinates).

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diegeticalt (any)

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Supposedly 300: scmp.com/news/china/science/ar…

China blows up 300 dams, shuts hydropower stations to save Yangtze River habitat

Scientists hope the sturgeon known as the Yangtze’s last giant and other rare species may return to their breeding grounds as a result.

^{Dannie Peng (South China Morning Post)}

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freagle

in reply to diegeticalt (any) • 1 mese fa • •

Why did you delete this post?

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diegeticalt (any)

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I restored it! I just delete stuff regularly to make me a bit harder to dox

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freagle

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Thanks! It was valuable context

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dan1101

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They also change the rotation speed of the entire Earth.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

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You know what else is a huge problem for ecosystems, burning fossil fuels.

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小莱卡

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The benefits far outweight the cons, if we only looked at cons, we might aswell don't build anything at all.

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Sir_Kevin

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I'm pretty sure I read like a week ago that China destroyed a bunch of dams for environmental reasons.
If I can find a link, I'll update this.

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Alsephina

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I guess lemmygrad is blocked on that instance? There's people talking about that under your comment.

freagle

2025-07-22 10:28:58

China is aware of this problem and they recently deconstructed 3 (I think it was 3) dams for that reason. The fact that they are aware and taking action on this awareness leads me to believe that their review process for when to build a dam is a bit more robust than what we've been doing in the West (and what the West has been imposing on its subordinates).

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Sir_Kevin

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Strange indeed. I don't see those comments via my instance.

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Try replacing "ai" with "cocaine" in all the posts you read about it.

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China develops new method to mass-produce high-quality semiconductors

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China develops new method to mass-produce high-quality semiconductors

Chinese scientists have developed a novel method for the mass production of high-quality golden semiconductor indium selenide, paving the way for manufacturing a new generation of chips that outperform current silicon-based technology.

^CGTN

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Why China is surging ahead of Trump’s US in green energy race

archive.ph/1eeRJ

Why China is surging ahead of Trump’s America in green energy race

Trump cuts are crippling US clean energy endeavours, while Beijing is building on its title as the world’s largest investor in the sector.

^{Nora Mankel (South China Morning Post)}

#technology

Technology reshared this.

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blarth

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Well, one is racing, but the other is wearing a stained wife beater, resting their hand on a Busch Light in a 70s folding lawn chair, watching the other one sprint with scorn.

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JumpyWombat

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By the end of Trump’s term, China may also have better civil rights than the US.

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0_o7

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Like an actual democracy?

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Matt

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Go to Taiwan for that.

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JumpyWombat

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More because of US regression (note: it was a joke)

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ShinkanTrain

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May? The world's most prominent torture camp was converted into a concentration camp, as the secret police is rounding up undesirables with no trial.

Kalcifer via Lemmy Support

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Kalcifer
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What is the exact meaning of the "Banned" label next to a user?

For example, I've come across this:

^[1]^

::: spoiler References
1. Type: User Page. Name: "CanadaRocks" ("@CanadaRocks@piefed.ca"). Publisher: ["Lemmy". "sh.itjust.works"]. Accessed: 2025-07-22T02:07Z. URI: sh.itjust.works/u/CanadaRocks@….
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asudox

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That's an instance ban.
Community bans are explicitly stated.

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Kalcifer

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So the user is banned from the instance where that label is seen (eg my instance)? Does an instance banning a user not block that user and their content from that instance? If not, what's the point of the ban?

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davel

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The user cannot vote, post or comment on that instance¹. If a user’s own instance bans them, then they can’t even log in.

Due to a bug, currently the user can post & comment, but those posts & comments won’t federate beyond their own home instance. ↩︎

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Kalcifer

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[…] Due to a bug, currently the user can post & comment […]

Do you have a link to the bug?

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davel

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A hacky, incomplete solution has been running for a while: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issu…

A full solution has been merged, but I don’t think it’s been released yet: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull…

Instance banning a remote user should prevent them from participating in remote versions of communities

Requirements Is this a feature request? For questions or discussions use https://lemmy.ml/c/lemmy_support Did you check to see if this issue already exists? Is this only a feature request? Do not p...

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Kalcifer

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[…] A full solution has been merged, but I don’t think it’s been released yet: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull…

It looks like it's coming with Lemmy 1.0 ^[1]^.

::: spoiler References
1. Type: Comment. Author: "Nutomic". Publisher: [Type: Post. Title: "Open issues on popular lemmy apps to prepare for 1.0.0 release". Author: "dessalines". Publisher: ["GitHub". "LemmyNet/Lemmy"]. Published: 2025-03-15T13:17:39.000Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issu….]. Published: 2025-06-02T08:21:42.000Z. Accessed: 2025-07-22T06:26Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issu….
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Open issues on popular lemmy apps to prepare for `1.0.0` release

Now that we've fundamentally changed nearly all the data structs, there's no reason to keep an api/v3 in the codebase. Nearly every data structure was changed with #5482 . As one example: GET /comm...

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asudox

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Yes. It "blocks" the user. Afaik it should prevent the banned user from interacting with communities from the instance they were banned from and also the instance will no longer accept any new interactions from the user (local users cant see new content of that user, like PMs, comments, etc.)

Additionally, their content can also be removed, but that is optional.

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davel

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The user was instance banned from sh.itjust.works: sh.itjust.works/modlog?actionT…

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Kalcifer

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Hrm, I have a suspicion that it was a false positive by the automod (maybe it didn't like "kill this idea"?):

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Update (2025-07-22T02:37Z): The moderation action was a false positive, and has been reverted ^[2]^.

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1. Type: Webpage. Title: "Modlog". Publisher: ["Lemmy". "sh.itjust.works"]. Accessed: 2025-07-22T02:31Z. URI: sh.itjust.works/modlog?actionT….
2. Type: Message. Author: "InEnduringGrowStrong" (@inenduringgrowstrong:matrix.org). Publisher: ["Matrix". "sh.itjust.works"]. Published: 2025-07-22T02:36Z. Accessed: 2025-07-22T02:40Z. URI: matrix.to/#%2F%21ftaqqnpOePvPw….

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Matrix - Decentralised and secure communication

You're invited to talk on Matrix. If you don't already have a client this link will help you pick one, and join the conversation. If you already have one, this link will help you join the conversation

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Kalcifer

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Does an instance ban block future posts by that user from being federated in?

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davel

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Correct, future posts/comments. It’s like getting banned from every community on that instance. They also can’t send direct messages to users on that instance.

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Kalcifer

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They also can’t send direct messages to users on that instance.

Can a user on the banning instance message the banned user? If so, can the banned user reply?

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davel

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Can a user on the banning instance message the banned user?

I’ve never tried it so I’m not sure.

If so, can the banned user reply?

I’ve never tried this either, but I highly doubt it.

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U.S. manufacturers are stuck in a rut despite subsidies from Biden and protection from Trump

Democrats and Republicans don’t agree on much, but they share a conviction that the government should help American manufacturers, one way or another.

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Near-collision between B-52 and SkyWest jet was caught on camera

A concertgoer at the North Dakota State Fair recorded footage of a B-52 bomber and a SkyWest jet on a collision course, but he didn't realize he was watching a potential disaster unfolding before his very eyes.

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My young interns had never seen The Website is Down

My 2 interns, 20 and 22 had never seen this internet classic.

I thought I would have to call 911 because they were laughing so hard.

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MAGA acolyte Marjorie Taylor Greene votes alongside Tlaib and Omar to cut US funding for Israel

cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33488629

By MEE staff
Published date: 18 July 2025 20:59 BST

Hardline America Firster and staunch Trump supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene voted alongside progressive Democrat Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar to strip Israel of $500m in US funding, hours after it bombed the Holy Family Catholic Church in Gaza.
The House of Representatives, however, rejected in a 422-6 vote on Thursday, to cut funding for the Israeli Cooperative Program - an agreement through which the US provides Israel with $500m to boost its missile programmes.
It is a separate allocation from the $3.3bn the US sends Israel as "security assistance" every year.

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2025-07-21 23:31:21

MAGA acolyte Marjorie Taylor Greene votes alongside Tlaib and Omar to cut US funding for Israel

By MEE staff
Published date: 18 July 2025 20:59 BST
Hardline America Firster and staunch Trump supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene voted alongside progressive Democrat Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar to strip Israel of $500m in US funding, hours after it bombed the Holy Family Catholic Church in Gaza.
The House of Representatives, however, rejected in a 422-6 vote on Thursday, to cut funding for the Israeli Cooperative Program - an agreement through which the US provides Israel with $500m to boost its missile programmes.
It is a separate allocation from the $3.3bn the US sends Israel as "security assistance" every year.

Maga acolyte Marjorie Taylor Greene votes alongside Tlaib and Omar to cut US funding for Israel
Hardline America Firster and staunch Trump supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene voted alongside progressive Democrat Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar to strip Israel of $500m in US funding, hours after it bombed the Holy Family Catholic Church …
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MAGA acolyte Marjorie Taylor Greene votes alongside Tlaib and Omar to cut US funding for Israel

By MEE staff
Published date: 18 July 2025 20:59 BST

Hardline America Firster and staunch Trump supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene voted alongside progressive Democrat Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar to strip Israel of $500m in US funding, hours after it bombed the Holy Family Catholic Church in Gaza.
The House of Representatives, however, rejected in a 422-6 vote on Thursday, to cut funding for the Israeli Cooperative Program - an agreement through which the US provides Israel with $500m to boost its missile programmes.
It is a separate allocation from the $3.3bn the US sends Israel as "security assistance" every year.

Maga acolyte Marjorie Taylor Greene votes alongside Tlaib and Omar to cut US funding for Israel

Hardline America Firster and staunch Trump supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene voted alongside progressive Democrat Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar to strip Israel of $500m in US funding, hours after it bombed the Holy Family Catholic Church …

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Scapegoating the Algorithm: America’s epistemic challenges run deeper than social media.

Many people sense that the United States is undergoing an epistemic crisis, a breakdown in the country’s collective capacity to agree on basic facts, distinguish truth from falsehood, and adhere to norms of rational debate.
This crisis encompasses many things: rampant political lies; misinformation; and conspiracy theories; widespread beliefs in demonstrable falsehoods (“misperceptions”); intense polarization in preferred information sources; and collapsing trust in institutions meant to uphold basic standards of truth and evidence (such as science, universities, professional journalism, and public health agencies).
According to survey data, over 60% of Republicans believe Joe Biden’s presidency was illegitimate. 20% of Americans think vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they prevent, and 36% think the specific risks of COVID-19 vaccines outweigh their benefits. Only 31% of Americans have at least a “fair amount” of confidence in mainstream media, while a record-high 36% have no trust at all.
What is driving these problems? One influential narrative blames social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter (now X), and YouTube. In the most extreme form of this narrative, such platforms are depicted as technological wrecking balls responsible for shattering the norms and institutions that kept citizens tethered to a shared reality, creating an informational Wild West dominated by viral falsehoods, bias-confirming echo chambers, and know-nothing punditry.
The timing is certainly suspicious. Facebook launched in 2004, YouTube in 2005, and Twitter in 2006. As they and other platforms acquired hundreds of millions of users over the next decade, the health of American democracy and its public sphere deteriorated. By 2016, when Donald Trump was first elected president, many experts were writing about a new “post-truth” or “misinformation” age.
Moreover, the fundamental architecture of social media platforms seems hostile to rational discourse. Algorithms that recommend content prioritize engagement over accuracy. This can amplify sensational and polarizing material or bias-confirming content, which can drag users into filter bubbles. Meanwhile, the absence of traditional gatekeepers means that influencers with no expertise or ethical scruples can reach vast audiences.
The dangerous consequences of these problems seem obvious to many casual observers of social media. And some scientific research corroborates this widespread impression. For example, a systematic review of nearly five hundred studies finds suggestive evidence for a link between digital media use and declining political trust, increasing populism, and growing polarization. Evidence also consistently shows an association between social media use and beliefs in conspiracy theories and misinformation.
But there are compelling reasons to be skeptical that social media is a leading cause of America’s epistemic challenges. The “wrecking ball” narrative exaggerates the novelty of these challenges, overstates social media’s responsibility for them, and overlooks deeper political and institutional problems that are reflected on social media, not created by it.
The platforms are not harmless. They may accelerate worrying trends, amplify fringe voices, and facilitate radicalization. However, the current balance of evidence suggests that the most consequential drivers of America’s large-scale epistemic challenges run much deeper than algorithms.

Scapegoating the Algorithm—Asterisk

America’s epistemic challenges run deeper than social media.

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel

cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33487836

By MEE staff
Published date: 21 July 2025 21:11 BST
The New York lawmaker voted against an amendment by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene last week that sought to block $500m in Congress' annual defence spending bill for Israel's Iron Dome programme.
Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene's amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.
In a post on X on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that Greene's amendment did "nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza".

Peter Link

2025-07-21 22:48:45

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel

By MEE staff
Published date: 21 July 2025 21:11 BST
The New York lawmaker voted against an amendment by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene last week that sought to block $500m in Congress' annual defence spending bill for Israel's Iron Dome programme.
Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene's amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.
In a post on X on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that Greene's amendment did "nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza".

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel
US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has come under fire for defending her decision to support a bill which will see more military aid go to Israel's Iron Dome air defence system.
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The headline is misleading. She voted against the bill.

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But she also voted against the amendment that would block money for the Iron Dome missile system. Tlaib, Omar, Summer Lee, and Al Green of Texas voted for the amendment, along with 2 Republicans.

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel

cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33487836

By MEE staff
Published date: 21 July 2025 21:11 BST
The New York lawmaker voted against an amendment by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene last week that sought to block $500m in Congress' annual defence spending bill for Israel's Iron Dome programme.
Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene's amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.
In a post on X on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that Greene's amendment did "nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza".

Peter Link

2025-07-21 22:48:45

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel

By MEE staff
Published date: 21 July 2025 21:11 BST
The New York lawmaker voted against an amendment by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene last week that sought to block $500m in Congress' annual defence spending bill for Israel's Iron Dome programme.
Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene's amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.
In a post on X on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that Greene's amendment did "nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza".

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel
US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has come under fire for defending her decision to support a bill which will see more military aid go to Israel's Iron Dome air defence system.
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Because agreeing to an amendment means you're satisfied with the bill as a whole with those included changes. This isn't "yes, and"

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geneva_convenience

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So all the other progressives voted yes on the bill?

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel

cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33487836

By MEE staff
Published date: 21 July 2025 21:11 BST
The New York lawmaker voted against an amendment by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene last week that sought to block $500m in Congress' annual defence spending bill for Israel's Iron Dome programme.
Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene's amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.
In a post on X on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that Greene's amendment did "nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza".

Peter Link

2025-07-21 22:48:45

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel

By MEE staff
Published date: 21 July 2025 21:11 BST
The New York lawmaker voted against an amendment by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene last week that sought to block $500m in Congress' annual defence spending bill for Israel's Iron Dome programme.
Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene's amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.
In a post on X on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that Greene's amendment did "nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza".

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel
US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has come under fire for defending her decision to support a bill which will see more military aid go to Israel's Iron Dome air defence system.
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According to her, she voted no to this bill. I’m very confused by this article.

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She voted against an amendment that would block funds for Israel's Iron Dome "defensive" missile system, while Tlaib, Omar, Summer Lee and Al Green of Texas voted for it, along with 2 Republicans.

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Israeli special forces abduct director of hospital in Gaza

cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33488385

By Alex MacDonald
Published date: 21 July 2025 14:50 BST

The Palestinian health ministry said on Monday that Hams, who also oversees field hospitals in the Gaza Strip, was on his way to visit the ICRC facility in northern Rafah when undercover Israeli soldiers opened fire, killing one person and wounding another civilian, before capturing him.
The person killed was a local journalist who had been conducting an interview with al-Hams at the time of the attack.

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2025-07-21 23:20:54

Israeli special forces abduct director of hospital in Gaza

By Alex MacDonald
Published date: 21 July 2025 14:50 BST
The Palestinian health ministry said on Monday that Hams, who also oversees field hospitals in the Gaza Strip, was on his way to visit the ICRC facility in northern Rafah when undercover Israeli soldiers opened fire, killing one person and wounding another civilian, before capturing him.
The person killed was a local journalist who had been conducting an interview with al-Hams at the time of the attack.

Israeli special forces abduct director of hospital in Gaza
Israeli special forces have abducted Dr Marwan al-Hams, director of Abu Youssef al-Najjar Hospital and spokesperson for the Palestinian health ministry in Gaza, outside the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) field hospital in the souther…
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Israeli special forces abduct director of hospital in Gaza

cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33488385

By Alex MacDonald
Published date: 21 July 2025 14:50 BST

The Palestinian health ministry said on Monday that Hams, who also oversees field hospitals in the Gaza Strip, was on his way to visit the ICRC facility in northern Rafah when undercover Israeli soldiers opened fire, killing one person and wounding another civilian, before capturing him.
The person killed was a local journalist who had been conducting an interview with al-Hams at the time of the attack.

Peter Link

2025-07-21 23:20:54

Israeli special forces abduct director of hospital in Gaza

By Alex MacDonald
Published date: 21 July 2025 14:50 BST
The Palestinian health ministry said on Monday that Hams, who also oversees field hospitals in the Gaza Strip, was on his way to visit the ICRC facility in northern Rafah when undercover Israeli soldiers opened fire, killing one person and wounding another civilian, before capturing him.
The person killed was a local journalist who had been conducting an interview with al-Hams at the time of the attack.

Israeli special forces abduct director of hospital in Gaza
Israeli special forces have abducted Dr Marwan al-Hams, director of Abu Youssef al-Najjar Hospital and spokesperson for the Palestinian health ministry in Gaza, outside the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) field hospital in the souther…
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Israel is a terrorist state.

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They are playing lower the bar limbo.

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Israeli special forces abduct director of hospital in Gaza

By Alex MacDonald
Published date: 21 July 2025 14:50 BST

The Palestinian health ministry said on Monday that Hams, who also oversees field hospitals in the Gaza Strip, was on his way to visit the ICRC facility in northern Rafah when undercover Israeli soldiers opened fire, killing one person and wounding another civilian, before capturing him.
The person killed was a local journalist who had been conducting an interview with al-Hams at the time of the attack.

Israeli special forces abduct director of hospital in Gaza

Israeli special forces have abducted Dr Marwan al-Hams, director of Abu Youssef al-Najjar Hospital and spokesperson for the Palestinian health ministry in Gaza, outside the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) field hospital in the souther…

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In spite of skyrocketing US police budgets, cities' murder clearance rates are plummeting.

Article : npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/…

Another graph on budgets

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Could AI Help Humanity Understand Whales?

This project hopes that decoding sperm whale sounds will boost conservation efforts

Could AI Help Humanity Understand Whales?

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AI Comes Up with Bizarre Physics Experiments. But They Work.

AI Comes Up with Bizarre Physics Experiments. But They Work. | Quanta Magazine

Artificial intelligence software is designing novel experimental protocols that improve upon the work of human physicists, although the humans are still “doing a lot of baby-sitting.”

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DeepMind’s Quest for Self-Improving Table Tennis Agents: How robots can learn new skills by challenging each other

DeepMind Table Tennis Robots Train Each Other

Two robots playing table tennis against each other non-stop is helping DeepMind to make more adaptable autonomous agents.

^{Pannag Sanketi (IEEE Spectrum)}

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Advanced version of Gemini with Deep Think officially achieves gold-medal standard at the International Mathematical Olympiad

Our advanced model officially achieved a gold-medal level performance on problems from the International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO), the world’s most prestigious competition for young...

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A Fashion Statement That Says, Stand Out In The Crowd

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The newest American freedom! The freedom to mask and walk around without anyone telling who you might be... Specially at a McDonald's.

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel

By MEE staff
Published date: 21 July 2025 21:11 BST

The New York lawmaker voted against an amendment by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene last week that sought to block $500m in Congress' annual defence spending bill for Israel's Iron Dome programme.

Fellow Democrats Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar [as well as Democrats Al Green of Texas, Summer Lee of Pennsylvania and Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky - PL] had supported Taylor Greene's amendment, which eventually lost in a 422-6 vote.

In a post on X on Saturday, Ocasio-Cortez claimed that Greene's amendment did "nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza".

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defends decision to support military aid for Israel

US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has come under fire for defending her decision to support a bill which will see more military aid go to Israel's Iron Dome air defence system.

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Russian troops pound Ukrainian military-industrial sites in overnight strike

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Russian troops pound Ukrainian military-industrial sites in overnight strike

According to the latest figures, Kiev loses 1,260 troops along engagement line over past day

^TASS

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TASS is reporting what russian offense ministry is reporting... Well, do you believe these even yourself, Jack?

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Of course, Glorious Russia would never lie to its strongest soldier.

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Richard D. Wolff & Michael Hudson | How the U.S. Took Over the World: The End of International Law!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz5-PtkUw9s

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Bypass blocked VPN restrictions

I have recently been finding myself on a network (cellular) that blocks access to VPN. I have tried Wireguard on multiple ports using IVPN and Windscribe with no luck. Similarly tried OpenVPN and IKEv2.

I also tried using Windscribe’s “stealth” protocol and IVPN’s obfuscation protocol but again with no luck.

I refuse to rawdog the internet like that and was hoping to get advice on how to work around that nonsense.

I am on iOS if that matters.

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You could potentially get your own VPS server and set that up as a VPN server that way you're not connecting to a known VPN.

Edit: You might also try using Tor.

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moe93

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I have a Wireguard tunnel running on my home server back home in the US. I am currently outside of the US and that Wireguard tunnel won’t connect if I am on cellular connection for this one specific provider that I am using atm.

I have never attempted to use Tor as a VPN on my iOS device, how is the performance in terms of making Signal calls for example?

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Oh, I see. I don't think you can make calls over tor because I think it's TCP only. Not UDP.

Could it be an IP addressing problem by chance where the telecom provider doesn't support say IPv6 while your home network is IPv6? If so, they may not be blocking it, so much as it's not possible to make the connection to begin with.

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moe93

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My home server VPN is IPv4. The VPN provider I have uses both IPv4/6. Neither of those work.

At this point I am inclined to believe the network carrier is performing DPI as I also can’t use OpenVPN on TCP 80 and TCP 443, which are generally hard to block unless provider is intentionally looking into it…at least that’s my understanding.

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That very well could be, as I mentioned earlier, you might get yourself a VPS and set up an SSH tunnel or something like that, but otherwise I have no idea.

I do know that you can use signal over tor because I do so, but I only use it for the sending messages and voice messages part. As I said, I think the audio call uses UDP and tor is TCP only to the best of my knowledge.

The only other thing I could think of would be to try a mix net such as Nym.

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Usually openvpn via tls port 443 is the least blocked.

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I also had luck with UDP on port 123. On some public WiFi networks I could even connect to internet that way without agreeing to ToS on "login page".

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A VPN isn't rawdogging the Internet. For that you should use stuff like ad blockers. A VPN only protects traffic inspection by on-path attackers like ISPs, though HTTPS mitigates most of that, leaving only metadata. It also changes the apparent origin of your connection.

If possible, I'd change providers.

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Please name and shame your provider. I'd like to know which ones to avoid.

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moe93

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I am on a trip and using a local carrier in the country I am currently staying at, carrier is called Zain.

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med

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Have you tried tailscale with an exit node? Could be worth a test, if it works, some combination of other providers might too

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Melody Fwygon

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I second tailscale. But this requires you to be using it at home as well.

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Hellfire103

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Honestly, this sounds like a job for Tor. Install Orbot, possibly enable a bridge, and you should be good to go. Onion Browser is recommended for use with Tor, but Safari will work just fine.

I have never tried calling over Tor, but I have never had an issue with the speed before (although it is inherently slower than a VPN).

::: spoiler Tor Bridge Types
* obfs4 makes your traffic appear "random"
* snowflake disguises your traffic as VoIP
* meek-azure makes it look like you're connecting to Microsoft services
* meek-amazon makes it look like you're connecting to AWS
* meek-google makes it look like you're connecting to Google
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You can use Tor: orbot.app/

Cheapest way to not be in this situation is to run an exit node on your home network and route your traffic through when you're travelling (dead simple with Tailscale).

Also try Mullvad's circumvention methods.

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Try setting your vpn to listen on UDP, port 53 (usually used by DNS. If that fails, it's going to be some sort of deep packet inspection, yes.

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Our Reporter Got Into Gaza. He Witnessed a Famine of Israel’s Making.

The people of Gaza face starvation under the joint U.S.-Israeli food distribution system run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

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Who decides our tomorrow? Challenging Silicon Valley’s power

As Silicon Valley’s influence expands, a new belief system is quietly reshaping society. This piece explores how tech elites are redefining power, the risks to human agency, and what it will take to reclaim our collective future

Who decides our tomorrow? Challenging Silicon Valley’s power - Coda Story

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NIH Funding Opportunities and Notices in the NIH Guide for Grants and Contracts: Supporting Fairness and Originality in NIH Research Applications NOT-OD-25-132. NIH

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The Hater's Guide To The AI Bubble: The AI bubble is deeply unstable, built on vibes and blind faith, and when I say "the AI bubble," I mean the entirety of the AI trade.

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Good journalism is making sure that history is actively captured and appropriately described and assessed, and it's accurate to describe things as they currently are as alarming.
And I am alarmed.
Alarm is not a state of weakness, or belligerence, or myopia. My concern does not dull my vision, even though it's convenient to frame it as somehow alarmist, like I have some hidden agenda or bias toward doom. I profoundly dislike the financial waste, the environmental destruction, and, fundamentally, I dislike the attempt to gaslight people into swearing fealty to a sickly and frail psuedo-industry where everybody but NVIDIA and consultancies lose money.
I also dislike the fact that I, and others like me, are held to a remarkably different standard to those who paint themselves as "optimists," which typically means "people that agree with what the market wishes were true." Critics are continually badgered, prodded, poked, mocked, and jeered at for not automatically aligning with the idea that generative AI will be this massive industry, constantly having to prove themselves, as if somehow there's something malevolent or craven about criticism, that critics "do this for clicks" or "to be a contrarian."
I don't do anything for clicks. I don't have any stocks or short positions. My agenda is simple: I like writing, it comes to me naturally, I have a podcast, and it is, on some level, my job to try and understand what the tech industry is doing on a day-to-day basis. It is easy to try and dismiss what I say as going against the grain because "AI is big," but I've been railing against bullshit bubbles since 2021 — the anti-remote work push (and the people behind it), the Clubhouse and audio social networks bubble, the NFT bubble, the made-up quiet quitting panic, and I even, though not as clearly as I wished, called that something was up with FTX several months before it imploded.
This isn't "contrarianism." It's the kind of skepticism of power and capital that's necessary to meet these moments, and if it's necessary to dismiss my work because it makes you feel icky inside, get a therapist or see a priest.
Nevertheless, I am alarmed, and while I have said some of these things separately, based on recent developments, I think it's necessary to say why.
In short, I believe the AI bubble is deeply unstable, built on vibes and blind faith, and when I say "the AI bubble," I mean the entirety of the AI trade.
And it's alarmingly simple, too.
But this isn’t going to be saccharine, or whiny, or simply worrisome. I think at this point it’s become a little ridiculous to not see that we’re in a bubble. We’re in a god damn bubble, it is so obvious we’re in a bubble, it’s been so obvious we’re in a bubble, a bubble that seems strong but is actually very weak, with a central point of failure.
I may not be a contrarian, but I am a hater. I hate the waste, the loss, the destruction, the theft, the damage to our planet and the sheer excitement that some executives and writers have that workers may be replaced by AI — and the bald-faced fucking lie that it’s happening, and that generative AI is capable of doing so.
And so I present to you — the Hater’s Guide to the AI bubble, a comprehensive rundown of arguments I have against the current AI boom’s existence. Send it to your friends, your loved ones, or print it out and eat it.
No, this isn’t gonna be a traditional guide, but something you can look at and say “oh that’s why the AI bubble is so bad.” And at this point, I know I’m tired of being gaslit by guys in gingham shirts who desperately want to curry favour with other guys in gingham shirts but who also have PHDs. I’m tired of reading people talk about how we’re “in the era of agents” that don’t fucking work and will never fucking work. I’m tired of hearing about “powerful AI” that is actually crap, and I’m tired of being told the future is here while having the world’s least-useful most-expensive cloud software shoved down my throat.
Look, the generative AI boom is a mirage, it hasn’t got the revenue or the returns or the product efficacy for it to matter, everything you’re seeing is ridiculous and wasteful, and when it all goes tits up I want you to remember that I wrote this and tried to say something.

The Hater's Guide To The AI Bubble

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