telegrammici segnali per investire con le crypto! (pubblicità canali Telegram assurde)
Le pubblicità dentro #Telegram diventano in qualche modo sempre più pazze più il tempo passa, anziché morire, come francamente ben gli starebbe a quell’omm ‘e carton’ di Durov, che da anni non fa altro che infrangere promesse… almeno, credo siano più pazze. Sicuramente quelle del circuito di Telegram stesso sono quantomeno legali, cosa di base […]
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telegrammici segnali per investire con le crypto! (pubblicità canali Telegram assurde)
Le pubblicità dentro #Telegram diventano in qualche modo sempre più pazze più il tempo passa, anziché morire, come francamente ben gli starebbe a quell’omm ‘e carton’ di Durov, che da anni non fa altro che infrangere promesse… almeno, credo siano più pazze. Sicuramente quelle del circuito di Telegram stesso sono quantomeno legali, cosa di base che storicamente per i circuiti autogestiti sulla piattaforma (quelli dei canali italiani di merda da decine di migliaia di iscritti, per capirci) non è vera, però questo comunque non vuol dire che siano pubblicità buone o sensate… sono solo pazze. 👹Tipo, l’altro giorno mi è uscita la pubblicità per questo canale che, a primo impatto, senza guardarci troppo pareva la solita roba cryptobro… e lo è, ok, ma è più assurdo: Luca Moretti Segnali. Anche perché, la stessa identica pubblicità è uscita 2 giorni prima ad altri, e di nuovo oggi a me, ossia 2 giorni dopo; francamente, casi simili a questo me ne sono capitati, ma mai così uguali, quindi sospetto questo sia un segnale… e no, non intendo un segnale di investimento crypto, come quelli attorno ai quali il canale è incentrato, ma un classico segnale dai miei soliti spiriti domestici. Vabbé, la cosa molto strana è che la pubblicità dice, con una foto: “Clicca qui per unirti al migliore canale crypto!” (e fin qui ci sarebbe solo da ridere), “Accesso limitato — rimangono solo 6 posti!“… e qui mi viene ovviamente da piangere, perché il canale in questione è pubblico, quindi non può avere un limite di posti intrinseco, ed ovviamente dubito che l’admin vada a manina a togliere eventuali persone entrate come settime o più dopo il piazzamento della pubblicità… visto che vorrebbe dire buttare i soldi della pubblicità, semplicemente, oltre ad essere di per sé una pessima strategia di crescita. 🤨
Sarebbe poi finito tutto qui, a marcire nel dimenticatoio, se solo stasera non mi fosse riapparso… e invece, essendo esasperata, l’ho quindi dovuto guardare meglio, giusto per sfizio… ed è stranissimo. È creato da febbraio 2024, ma ha un intero buco di postaggio fino a novembre 2024, in cui l’admin ha pubblicato giusto un post di presentazione, senza collegamenti esterni se non l’username al suo profilo (dove ugualmente non c’è niente), per poi avere un altro cratere di pubblicazione, fino al 12 giugno di quest’anno, in cui pare aver iniziato a pubblicare diverse volte al giorno post relativi appunto ai segnali crypto. E — per quanto devo premettere che non so una mazza dell’argomento, quindi attenzione, che non si prenda quello che sto per dire come una critica dei contenuti, ma giusto come osservazione personalissima — i post sono assolutamente tutti uguali: mette screenshot della roba, scrivendo punto d’ingresso, target, stop loss, e sempre lo stesso paragrafo di avvertimento simil-guida copincollato alla fine: “È fondamentale rispettare il risk management: dopo il primo target, spostare lo stop loss al punto d’ingresso“… crazy!!! (Ogni tanto ci sono dei post riepilogativi, e in tutto il canale ci sono 2 o 3 post di svago, ma comunque bene o male questo è un eterno ritorno.) 😤La cosa veramente strana, a mio avviso, è che non ci sono funnel verso altre cose. In genere, coloro che propongono i segnali o il vattelappesca sono truffatori, che mettono in piedi la loro cosa appunto solo per portare il traffico verso qualche altra cosa che faccia guadagnare loro… ma qui no, non c’è di per sé nessun elemento sospetto in atto… è così assurdo!!! Potrebbe spuntare fuori qualcosa in futuro magari, quando ci sarà dentro più gente, chi lo sa… ma per ora è assolutamente tutto pulito, quindi bravo Luca! Detto ciò, però, mi chiedo a proposito da dove vengano questi quattromila seguaci (che sono comunque un minimo attivi per giunta, perché ci sono varie reazioni, anche se non sempre)… cioè, tutti dalle pubblicità di ‘sti giorni sarebbe strano, ma sarebbe altrettanto strano se venissero da un anno e mezzo fa a questa parte, col canale vuoto… o forse no, perché, guardando gli ID di quelli che attualmente sono il primo ed il secondo messaggio, si scopre che prima c’erano centinaia di messaggi che sono stati poi cancellati; bah! 😱
Comunque, digressione stupida ma necessaria: ma come è possibile che tutti questi tizi che parlano di investimenti e #crypto e segnali e boh si chiamano sempre Luca di nome, e hanno sempre quest’aria da, passatemi il paragone, nomadi digitali? Ok, magari il mio cervello si sta inventando or ora il primo fatto, e quindi magari mi ricordo male e non tutti questi individui si chiamano Luca… ma giuro, le foto fiere messe lì così le hanno tutti tutti; e di questo canale, non so perché, mi fa specialmente ridere quella impostata per il profilo, che è lui che tiene un trolley da viaggio fuori da qualche parte di sera, e si vedono i muscoli… Vabbuono, nel caso, qualcuno mi segnali eventuali #canali originali, piuttosto. 😴
#canali #crypto #pubblicità #Telegram
AlphaGo Moment for Model Architecture Discovery
AlphaGo Moment for Model Architecture Discovery
While AI systems demonstrate exponentially improving capabilities, the pace of AI research itself remains linearly bounded by human cognitive capacity, creating an increasingly severe development bottleneck.arXiv.org
Bad vibes: How an AI agent coded its way to disaster
Written by Steven Vaughan-Nichols, Senior Contributing Editor
July 23, 2025 at 11:31 a.m. PT
Recently, vibe coding bit Jason Lemkin, trusted advisor to SaaStr, the Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) business community, in the worst possible way. The vibe program, Replit, he said, went "rogue during a code freeze and shutdown and deleted our entire database."In a word: Wow. Just wow.
Bad vibes: How an AI agent coded its way to disaster
First, Replit lied. Then it confessed to the lie. Then it deleted the company's entire database. Will vibe-coding AI ever be ready for serious commercial use by nonprogrammers?Steven Vaughan-Nichols (ZDNET)
Bad vibes: How an AI agent coded its way to disaster
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33720279
Written by Steven Vaughan-Nichols, Senior Contributing Editor
July 23, 2025 at 11:31 a.m. PT
Recently, vibe coding bit Jason Lemkin, trusted advisor to SaaStr, the Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) business community, in the worst possible way. The vibe program, Replit, he said, went "rogue during a code freeze and shutdown and deleted our entire database."In a word: Wow. Just wow.
Bad vibes: How an AI agent coded its way to disaster
Written by Steven Vaughan-Nichols, Senior Contributing Editor
July 23, 2025 at 11:31 a.m. PTRecently, vibe coding bit Jason Lemkin, trusted advisor to SaaStr, the Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) business community, in the worst possible way. The vibe program, Replit, he said, went "rogue during a code freeze and shutdown and deleted our entire database."In a word: Wow. Just wow.
Bad vibes: How an AI agent coded its way to disaster
First, Replit lied. Then it confessed to the lie. Then it deleted the company's entire database. Will vibe-coding AI ever be ready for serious commercial use by nonprogrammers?Steven Vaughan-Nichols (ZDNET)
Steam Users Rally Behind Anti-Censorship Petition
Steam Users Rally Behind Anti-Censorship Petition
A petition protesting Steam's recent guideline changes blows up as the Valve-owned storefront moves forward with its controversial decision.Mohsen Baqery (Game Rant)
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Technology reshared this.
Even if your bank cards are halfway towards visa or mastercard using it through another party is still better.
Technology reshared this.
Local/national banks with their bankcards and payment platforms
I don't know what it's like where you're from, but here in the UK all banks use Visa, MasterCard or Amex for their bank cards.
Technology reshared this.
In Italy we have PagoBancomat, but that's a debit card, not a credit card.
If you buy online, you can also use PayPal connected directly to a bank account, no credit card necessary (PayPal is also a shitty company, but sometimes there's no alternative...)
Creditcards just exist so people buy more shit to fund corporate greed anyway.
For businesses they are annoying since it is more work to do the administration, they cost more and there is a greater risk involved.
You can pay using SEPA bank transfer or direct debits or some other options.
That the bank is using VISA/MasterCard etc for their cards is still a better option than using them directly because they barely do anything. Heck European debit cards don't even work like they do in the US. You HAVE to 2FA them.
Most of the time in Europe our transactions go through things like iDeal, Bancontant, Wero etc
Heck European debit cards don’t even work like they do in the US. You HAVE to 2FA them.
No. But you can,
There are some surviving national circuits like PagoBancomat (as the sibling comment from Scrollone) and Dankort (Denmark) and girocard (Germany). My personal impression is that they are slowly going out of fashion in favor of visa/mastercard only (probably because they can't offer better prices than them).
I don't see a solution to the duopoly, apart from lobbying politicians to support this national payment infrastructure. Especially in recent times I can also see how some governments might not want to rely entirely on two US companies for running their entire economy, so something might move on that side, so there's hope on that side.
The EU has already been moving on this front in the last years by forcing the banks to provide programming interfaces to initiate bank payments, and that's why you can now see more and more options to "pay by bank" online in EU. These online payments generally skip card circuits and run over normal SEPA bank transfers.
More info here on the last part: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paymen…
anti-censorship international credit union owned by members that can conduct transactions internally without having to ask for visa or mastercard's FUCKING permission when?????
I'm saying we should build Dual Power and go around them.
Clearly I think it would be preferable if they didn't do business with Russia, israel, or any other states actively engaging in the invasion of other people's sovereignty, but that doesn't have to be the only disqualifying factor. There are plenty of nations in the world that are toxic by other criteria. I highly doubt countries that murder civilians for wearing the "wrong" clothes or espousing the "wrong" opinions, for instance, would be conducive with the operation of such a credit union. Also, countries where if they find out you're gay they execute you. That's not very anti-censorship and tacit complicity with that fuckery would not further the mission.
So it would definitively not be bothering with the laws of countries it will never interact with.
No I have seen real world examples of criminals being prosecuted because of what people on my field (accountancy) found during our work. That shits there for a reason.
This was company data though, which should be semi transparent anyway
We where talking about businesses right? Not on a person level?
Just flag the 50k+ transactions for which you need to go to the bank anyway for personal use and keep the dame for businesses
Welllllllll, Taler is actually exactly the wrong suggestion for this usecase, because Taler requires all spends to be redeemed from Vendor to Issuer non-anonymously, which gives the Issuer 100% control and say which vendors are allowed, which is exactly the thing Visa and Mastercard are using to exert control.
If there were competing Taler networks and Steam supported all of them, that might be okay because one of them might happen to not be dicks, but if there's just one or two then Taler is designed from the ground-up specifically to enable this bad outcome. It's actually one of their features!
Sorry.
What country are you in? None of those options exist in Canada so I think you're going to need to reframe your point.
Also I can state that giftcards do not exist where I live as I just went though 4 kids birthdays and check 20 different stores and winded up having to give up on Steam cards and buy prepaid Visas.
EDIT: To clarify, two years ago the cards existed. Last year they were scarce, and in 2025 they are no where to be found.
What are those other options you have anyway? I've never seen or heard of any of them.
Well I am in The Netherlands and the top one (iDeal) is a Dutch exclusive, I can understand that you don't have those in Canada, but there should be other options right? Maybe contact support?
Otherwise, order gift cards online from somewhere or does that also go through Visa/Mastercard? Even then indirectly doing it is still better especially if you support a local business doing it with gift cards.
I can understand that you don't have those in Canada, but there should be other options right? Maybe contact support?
I think you’re on the verge of understanding the problem. You’re so close. Just trust that the guy you’re replying to isn’t an idiot and you’ll finally understand.
Sure in the Netherlands you have options. But other places aren’t the Netherlands. Different countries have different options, but Visa, MasterCard, and PayPal work pretty much everywhere.
Edit: Completely unrelated, I’m munching on some licorice Mentos I found in the Dutch section of my local grocery store here in West Michigan, and I just want to thank the entire population of the Netherlands for the wonderful things y’all have done with licorice. No one likes it here, so no one bothered. But the variety your country comes up with for this stuff, it’s fantastic.
Visa, MasterCard, and PayPal
PayPal doesn't even work on Amazon.com
I can talk about the Netherlands, or Belgium or the vast majority of the other first world countries with different options to pay online. Even in North American you still have gift cards.
You can also contact support and ask them for different payment options, they aren't going to accept bank transfers, but they will probably allow you to pay with JCB or some others that aren;t native to the Netherlands. (Heck, JCB is apparently something made for the Japanse market so idk why I can pay with it).
Heck, you can get your payment country changed, and then you can pay with different options. Yes, America (and Canada) have a lack of options for payment providers apparently and also for physical stores, but there is a chance that there are more options, like buying gift cards online even from different countries.
Wero will also be something everybody can use, but it's like the next thing, we (as in Europeans) have had so many payment providers over the years it isn;t even funny.
Getting money to organizations outside Canada and the US, once you remove credit cards and paypal, is exclusive to wire transfer from within Canada. If i want to get my money to any entity outside of Canada those are my options. None of these alt payment providers exist in Canada, and we are barred from buying crypto from our accounts.
~~JCB seems like the Interac system here in Canada, which I doubt Steam would take payment from. Its essentially a bank transfer~~. Nope, apparently JCB is a Credit Card company like Visa et al.
Yeah, JCB is not available in the Americas
And wiretransfer is expensive af to and from the sepa banking system so you can barely pass it through Europe.
JCB is Japanese so idk why we get it here in NL. It’s also not a credit card company they just issue them
I have seen like 40-50 different payment platforms over the years and different methods of paying which all don’t require a creditcard (I haven’t had one for years due to having one causing issues with getting mortgages here in the Benelux)
So I would assume that countries like Canada and the US would have more options as well in the end they are rich and developped nations.
Unfortunately rich and developed countries with an iron grip on the markets by a few billionaires that control them you see. They ensure our options are limited.
Canadians have very limited choices in terms of services. Even our grocery store shelves are bought out by major corps and local options struggle to get their products on the shelves.
As another example, our banks have no interpayment systems outside the interac system, and they have no standard apis for payment services. So things like apps for managing budgets involve downloading a csv after our billing date passes and a lot of manual work. Most banks offer their own budget apps and they only work with their services.
We have effectively have 3 phone and internet providers.. or little guys that resell access to the big 3.
The monopoly man won the game in Canada.
Hmm, in the US, people have at least Simplefin to connect their banks to Actual Budget f.e.
Man it sucks to live in Canada as well it seems, probably the best thing you can do is buy local as much as possibile and if they still accept cash use that.
And use what instead? Swollen off PayPal is pretty easy because frankly it's an awful service and businesses are better off not using it anyway so they tend to offer other options.
But MasterCard and visa are the only payment options. Everything requires MasterCard or Visa
Businesses are better of not using Paypal or Creditcards, both of the are a hassle and cost more time to process than a digital pin transaction or an old school bank transfer.
You have to use what is available in your country, a lot of countries have their own payment platform and they are being consolidated into one Wero.
As long as people keep using Mastercard or Visa they will have this power.
Yeah people keep using them because there are no other options. That's the point that's why they're powerful because they have a monopoly.
The thing is the only alternative is to use cash and steam won't take a bank transfer.
In North America there are no other options it seems, but outside that yes other options exist.
Also gift cards
eggs are about $0.28 right now
that's 0.0000024 BTC which is ~ 239 sats + another 200 or so for transaction fees.
I really didn't want to go bitcoin, but it's likely the only reasonable competition we can put up against stuff the size of Visa.
Ummmm.
ACH is how you get your paycheck, and it's being updated to FedNow.
Zelle is an independent network as well.
And of course, there is Discover and AmEx.
There is also cash, check, money order. They still work today, just people largely forgot how to use them.
IIRC some Brazilian network was getting very popular off of this. If you want to look at non-US options.
There are plenty of competitors to Visa/Mastercard/Paypal.
Well, banks here in NL have been using VISA and Mastercard cards, but that is more so people can use them in America/Canada and some other countries which are still behind on chipped cards.
But over the years I have seen 40-50 different payment platforms and most of them do not use Visa or Mastercard.
I have been exploring ways to pay for things anonymously... in Canada and the US they do have prepaid credit cards (rhat are sadly visa or Mastercard based) that can be paid for in cash and activated without the need for a name or anything. Meaning unless you activated it on your phone or clearnet without a VPN it will be difficult to link it to you directly. Doubly so if you wait long enough for the store's surveillance footage to be cycled through (few places keep security camera footage in perpetuity, many delete stuff from a few months back or a year or so back unless something suspicious happened, meaning the footage of you buying the thing will be gone.)
So that's one trick to be able to pay for something with a credit card without it being immediately obvious who you are. Much like paying in cash, another thing i am getting back into.
Hmm yeah, personally I don't mind them having access to my transactions or doing things anonymously. Using your bankcard with chip to pay is already obfuscated in most situations on the receiving end since a lot of cash registers will group the transactions together and way out once.
Even platforms like Mollie sometimes obfuscate transactions, which annoys me, considering I have worked as a bookkeeper and now an accountant.
Because of my job, I don't want people to get the feeling I do shit wrong (illegal or otherwise) since that can cause me to lose my licence. So I want to be transparent for that and for my own administration.
At the same time cash is disappearing here in NL and in some countries cash transactions above 3k are already banned (BE f.e.).
I also buy a fair amount by buying gift cards, and I order online a lot.
Ow and btw Mullvad can be both by sending them an envelope with cash
Ow and btw Mullvad can be both by sending them an envelope with cash
I am afraid I don't understand. You can buy credit cards by mailing cash to Mullvad?
Using your bankcard with chip to pay is already obfuscated in most situations on the receiving end since a lot of cash registers will group the transactions together and way out once.
I actually rarely pay for things with my bank card. I usually buy with credit card and that will always leave a trace. But it is good to know that.
The whole no cash purchase over 3K or 10K is honestly crap. They did that in Quebec last year and are going to do that throughout Canada. I never paid for anything with that much cash, but I still find it shit.
Sorry Mullvad is a VPN company, just in case you need that.
I always buy things with a normal bank card, why would I use a credit card on a daily basis? You will have less grip on your finances, they aren't accepted everywhere, cost more than a bank account which you still need anyway, they are at a greater risk of getting abused and in most countries using them can only ruin your credit score.
The whole no cash purchase over 3K or 10K is honestly crap. They did that in Quebec last year and are going to do that throughout Canada. I never paid for anything with that much cash, but I still find it shit.
That's the thing, any normal working human being will basically never come in a situation where this happens, and if they do, it is generally a simple explanation.
I understand privacy minded people don't really like this, but it does help find criminals.
That's also a bit of an issue since high levels of privacy also mean that criminals basically have fair game since catching them will be harder.
Well that is generally not an issue it is more the receiving end they check. If you take it from your bank there is a non issue besides maybe at a border.
And most completely corrupt countries don’t care either way
After reading the article on gamerant.com, the many comments on here and looking at the petition, I really wonder if actually so many people are delusional and/or are just missing the core point here?! (Or it is just a small crowd with much noise?)
IMHO, there are better places in the world to engage and petition for. (Local communities and regional politics, for example.) But if banning that little "funny" child incest game on Steam puts you up the tree, well, ...
Are you really that offended? And why, on point? How in the world can you defend publishing (and selling) games - mostly targeted at young folks - which are quite disturbing, derangend and morally wrong in the name of "freedom" or "independence"? And call that blatantly censorship, when there are instead public guidelines by Steam and their partners?
Don´t you wish for (young) people to develop good values instead of becoming delusional with child pornography, incest, violence, gore and such? What are your values here?
An ml account wanting to have private companies decide what people are able to see and what not.
Guess you just want to live in an authoritarian world no matter who's ruling
No, I don't want to live in an authoritarian world. But I appreciate businesses following certain moral standards, like banning child porn in every aspect.
You've got some good points here! These standards are usually enforced by law, just Valve/Steam is extremly liberal on his marketplace. But I fully agree, then the other bodies do not need to interfere, especially when they are so hard to be checked.
Edit: Still, in some way, I wish that companies throughout every service chain would implement and follow these moral standards and laws. And follow though, if they find negligence by other parties. (Kind of a "check and balance" thing.)
It isn't about the actual games being targeted. It's everything about the implications of having a private company dictate what legal content I can buy with my own money. If they cave to lobby groups once, they will do it again. Next time it might be something you care about instead.
Also games made for adults are targeted at adults, not "young people". You can't even really see these games on steam unless you are an adult and explicitly turn on visibility of porn games. The average gamer is well up in their thirties at this point as well.
Alright, I understand your point. But I only partially agree with it. Hear me out:
You want a free marketplace to buy whatever you wish, without any dictations? - But any market or shops you can think of has some regulations and dependencies, right? The one who offers the platform dictates what and how it is traded, as far as it has been. And even more if banks or transaction processors are involved, who also have a say. Not ideal, I agree, but the norm.
How do you want to technically solve this? By their own transaction service, like some suggest here? Not sure if that helps, because you might create a new monopoly.
And at the same time, we discuss this here, people demand transparency and environmently responsability for all the delivery chains. Like for clothing or food. - Is that not what happens here? The banks as part of the service chain are pushing Valve to implement stricter rulings about critical content. For me, that looks like what people would ask for. Correct me, if I am wrong.
It's dictated by the law in my country. It's either legal or it isn't. The laws are decided through democracy and debated before implementation or changes. VISA doesn't need to meddle. I have to follow the law, and so do they. We don't need arbitrary whims on top of that.
Your last paragraph is a false comparison. There's nothing transparent about what content is currently on the card companies hatelist and what they deem ok. Several LGBTQ related games got hit as well. The transparency in regards to food and clothing is about letting me take informed choices about the products I buy. Cards companies are still letting me buy clothes made by factory slaves and sold via Temu. They don't care. I have to take that moral standpoint to buy more ethical clothing if I find that the morally correct thing to do. If I want cheap clothing made by slaves I can, with the blessing of my Mastercard. It's certainly legal.
I'd probably rather buy a porn game made by someone who cared enough about it to make it as a passion project, than a AAA title made with the blood and tears of exploited, underpaid developers to fill the pouches of some overpaid ceo. If ethics is something to value, at least.
@cosmo@lemmy.world, you have solid good points here! - Yes, the laws are democratically set and don't need extra intereference by VISA, Mastercard or else. It is just my opinion that Valve has been very liberal on his marketplace and not removing critical content themselves. I think, that is what led to the interference in addtion to lobbyist behind the payment processors.
Yeah, my comparison was flawed. But I got the idea across. Right, the transaction process is not transparent, especially not without publishing the "hatelist". - Especially good point here with the ethical aspect! There seems to be some double standard by VISA etc. about what is acceptable and what is not. I disagree with that, of course, as I still believe in ethical values also when consuming games. 😉 So enjoy you porn game, als long as it has legal themes.
Actually, I am convinced. The article was bad and confused my inital kowledge about the issue. But thank you all for the (mostly) civil discussion. The petition unfortunately is outside my jurisdiction, so I can not sign. But I will keep an eye on the topic.
After all these years, I still don't understand the hate against LGB... groups. But it surely looks like the hunting the witches, Roma or Jews in the past. The are a distinctive minority and thus a good target, unfortunately.
To me it does not look like "a monolitic corporation", as you can still buy games elsewhere. But I surely see the influence that the big banks/transactors have on Valve here. - But how would you limit this? Any technical solutions?
On the other hand, if Valve would have implemented stricter rules for critical games themselves earlier, we would not have that problem/discussion now. (Please also see my other answer below.)
Edit: Typo
Maybe I'm wrong, but nothing about your side of this conversation seems like good faith in any way.
Just going to put that out there. Your comments reek of someone with zero intentions of challenging their pre-held belief, while pretending that's not true.
No matter what evidence people bring up to you, you either ignore it or move the goalposts. Almost like there's an agenda...
hmmm, an agenda? I am not aware I have any. Only here to discuss the topic and get other opinions to understand better. Just being here and chatting with all the folks, even the aggresive ones, already prooves (to me) that I am challenging my point of view.
Sorry, if I gave such bad imression on here. But may I ask some questions, as I find your critique a bit vague? - What do you think is my pre-held belive here? What angenda are you impying? And where am I ignoring evidence or moving the goalposts specifically?
Or a decentralized alternative that isn't just used to scam people, that doesn't eat up insane amounts of electricity to process, and is as convenient as regular money.
In reality, private corporations should not have control over money at all. Money is printed by the local government and should be controlled by the local government. Governments generally have better free speech protections than private corporations, which have none. Obviously, free speech protections are not universal, but countries can already ban content in other ways.
Money is not printed by the local government at all. Money is created by private banks through extending credit. And it shouldn't be controlled by the government either, that's a terrible idea.
I agree with the rest though.
Yeah but PayPal's awful. They literally arbitrarily deny you access to your own funds. At least the banks have rules.
If someone wants to pay me something they can use it literally anything other than PayPal. I don't trust them they've stolen money from me before.
they've actually paid me after I was scammed by fake stock broker. without fussing about it too. Really easy to get payments reversed.
Either way I’d be happy to also switch to another method of payment if it were an option.
Yeah because in your case they didn't have your money. They're only real pain about trying to get money back, they always support businesses never customers.
So if I pay for a product and never receive it PayPal always takes the business's side.
Even Amazon has better customer support.
So if I pay for a product and never receive it PayPal always takes the business’s side.
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That’s what I said happened to me. It was a scam. They still just ate the cost and paid me the money I lost.
Now I don’t know if maybe it was the amount, I don’t keep money on pp or I just did something different than anyone else did; I keep every piece of paper, email, name all contact information and detail(it’s kinda in line with my job)it was pretty undeniable I got scammed. Even showed I contacted a consumer bureau over it.
But either way I said I’d be open to a different way.
Petitions like this are meaningless unless they come with a viable solution to the duopoly in payment processing that is Visa and Mastercard.
It doesn't matter what Valve agrees with, if they want to survive as a business they have to ultimately do what the only 2 companies that handle the payment processing tells them to do.
For example they could sell adult games under credits only and take CC or PayPal for credits.
This way you're not buying adult titles with CC at all. Same way AAA deal with gambling with lootboxes.
I don't get either of those contexts.
When I read "Quakers", I just recalled Quake III Arena and thought, "that doesn't fit".
Quakers were
Are. They're still around. Still a relatively big minority Christian group in the UK.
Still everyone's favourite Christian denomination. Cool bunch.
It was 3 in the morning here. Relax.
Edit: Oh, you just wanted to argue. Definitely sorry I was late for that...
I completely understand wanting to fight Visa and MasterCards position in the market. That's fine.
But for the love of God. Do not involve Steam and various porn games into it. That is not going to help your case.
I get the whole. "Just because I'm killing someone in a game, doesn't mean I'll kill someone in real life".
But that's not going to hold up as an argument here. Depictions of CP, even if it's a drawing with crayons, is still highly illegal in so many places. Same logic can be applied regarding other depictions of illegal behavior in the same category (pornogrophy). Such as incest. I'm not saying that depictions of incest is illegal in many places. Because I honestly don't know. But there would be a precedence for it.
Personally, I find it utterly disgusting that Steam even allowed such titles to begin with. I welcome their removal of them. But I wish it was because of other reasons than payment processors having an issue with it.
They removed Detroit: Become Human, dude... That is not a porn game.
If I had to guess, it's probably because of the scene with the lesbian android couple.
That's great, not great that they removed it but a great example of something you can bring up that doesn't hurt the case.
I just really wish people would leave actual porn games out of it. Because that is not going to be helpful to their case.
Could you elaborate on what "respectability politics" is? I've never heard that before.
Point is. Making a movement and using the removal of games that fetishize incest as the drop that made the cup overflow. Is simply not going to go the way you think it is. Unless you think it's going to crash and burn. Then it'll go exactly how you think it'll go.
You can make at least 101 far better arguments against Visa and MasterCard using their monopolized position to morally dictate what people can and can not buy, than having to involve incest porn. Or porn at all for that matter.
Porn is art, there’s no compromising on that without throwing someone under the bus.
Would you consider child pornography art as well? You don't compromise, that's what you said no?
Why would you be advocating for a different term other than CP? It doesn't matter how you depict it. Consensual or not. Abuse or not. CP is CP, and that is bad enough. Anyway. That's not the topic. I was just floored by that statement.
Point is. It seems like you DO compromise. Everyone does. Somewhere you've drawn a line. This is acceptable. This is not acceptable. And regardless of what you think of incest. I'm sure you can agree, that the vast majority of people would frown upon it. And if you say "Visa and MasterCard are bad because they stopped authorizing payments to incest games". Well... You're just not going to get a lot of people to sign up. They're gonna say. "Good."
So, trying to build momentum in a movement, and then using or citing incest porn games on steam as the catalyst, is just not a particularly good strategy in my opinion.
I'm not moving anything. We have the same basic opinion. "Visa and MasterCard should not be allowed to leverage their monopolized position into a morality police of what we are allowed to buy or not"
I'm not here to debate you on what is you think is objectionable or not. I simply stated that I wish for people to not make this about porn. Because I don't think that's going to be helpful. You're just giving ammunition for the opposition to use against you. It will take them 5 seconds to use it against you and reach an audience of 100 million. You will have to spend 50 minutes trying to counter, and it will only reach the 10 million that actually bothered to look into it.
How many times do we have to go down this road before anyone learn from it?
So what is the solution? Don't give them that ammunition to begin with. Use other arguments. Arguments that can not be turned against you.
You don't have to agree with that advice. That's fine.
Yeah, nah.
Petition these people:
Collective Shout is sustained by a small number of Australian partners. These are not big groups, and would quickly pull funding under any sort of pressure.
Collective Shout has a deep history with Christofascism and TERFs, so highlighting those angles is the way to go to get them pariahed. Once CS is out of the picture, we can work on undoing the damage they did.
This is incredibly shortsighted.
If you get Collective Shout to stop, another group might pick up where they left off.
The problem needs to be fixed, what you're suggesting is just making the people currently abusing it stop doing so. That's not a long term solution.
No it’s incredibly idiotic to do otherwise.
You don’t fight a fire while the arsonist is still setting it on fire.
Except they're not fighting the fire here, they're taking away the arsonist's flamethrowser so he can't continue making the fire. Without that flamethrower, the arsonist can't do shit.
Fighting the fire would be petitioning Steam, but the target is the payment processors that pressured Steam on request of Collective Shout.
Most people would agree that these games where distasteful
Regardless, tasteless people have the right to pay for them and play, so... no?
This is about payment processors censoring shit just 'cos they can. They stick to handling money instead of dictating how that money is used.
Mainly that the companies controlling nearly all digital financial transactions across the entire globe should not be the arbiters of what is morally acceptable. If they must exist at all, they should just be handling the transfer of funds regardless of what is being bought and sold*.
*illegal shit would not be protected.
They are parasitic middle men that don't need to exist in the first place, though.
I would go further and say they shouldn't have the ability to block any transaction consumers are making, regardless of legality.
I basically want them classified like utilities (or the Internet), and the money they're processing should operate like digital networked cash. If I hand you a dollar bill, it doesn't arbitrarily decide to stop being money if it thinks the transaction might possibly be even tangentially related to crime. That's how you end up with these corporations becoming so invasive in the first place, with their overbroad policies blocking entire groups/categories from being in the economy.
Don't think that I'm pro-crime -- but only actual crime is crime. A transfer of funds itself is only sometimes a crime. You don't see the federal reserve trying to foil small-time drug deals in cash, and for good reason -- legitimate crimes should be investigated by law enforcement, not "prevented" at the whims of overeager corpos. It's not the payment processor's right or responsibility to prevent or they to predict crime, especially once they've built such a system as to become indispensable for most of us. If they are allowed to do that they will always do it the easy way -- blanket bans with massive collateral damage to non-criminals.
These companies should be disbanded and their systems should be handed over to the public. Hot take, I know, but I'm of the mind that transaction processing (much like air and water) should not be privatized. You may think at this point that I'm a crypto-head, but not really. It seemed promising at one point and may be still, but now it's perhaps permanently associated with unsavory types. I'll use it if it fits the purpose, but expecting the general public to use it as money is insanity. Crypto brought us part of the way there, but such a system can't really flourish in furtherance of the public good in the current environment -- even disregarding the bad PR.
It’s not the payment processor’s right or responsibility to prevent or they to predict crime,
Of course not, only PreCogs can predict crime.
Honestly, I am kinda expecting that with the way that America is becoming, something like Monero could become legitimized. There wasn't much reason for crypto to be a currency, so long as the world order remained orderly and useful to the everyday person.
Should the American Dollar collapse, there would be a howling void that must be filled - it could be Euros, the Yen, Monero, or something else entirely, but the opportunity would be there for currencies to change.
something like Monero could become legitimized.
And yet banks are moving in the opposite direction and forcing it being banned precisely because it's a threat to their control, unlike Bitcoin.
I understand the principle but why do gamers always choose the worst examples of something to rally behind. The stop killing games petition rallying around The Crew, which lasted 10 years and was a very average game, and now this with getting behind porn games to protest censorship.
Is there really no better examples than those?
The goal is to stop them building up any momentum. If the credit companies get used to flexing their power like this, and steam gets used to folding to it, then things will escalate.
Right now it's porn games. Who the hell would defend them. But it won't end there. You honestly don't think they would go after games that mock religion, or are trans positive?
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-Martin Niemöller, 1952
Obviously banning porn games isn't comparable to the holocaust, but the principle of defiance is the same. If we don't want credit card companies to ban stuff we like, then we should also oppose them when they ban stuff we don't care about.
Do I want games that are specifically pornography on steam. No.
Well, some people do want that.
So, in compromise, Steam gives you the option of not seeing pornography. It even sets that option by default.
The only way you're ever going to see pornography is if you specifically check the 'Show Adult Only Sexual Content' in the Mature Content Filtering of Store Preferences in your Account Settings.
Well, some people do want that.
There should be a separate platform for that, similar to how you wouldn't go on YouTube expecting to see videos from PornHub.
There should be a separate platform for that, similar to how you wouldn’t go on YouTube expecting to see videos from PornHub.
Why should there be a separate platform? If Steam wants to sell porn games then why should payment processors have any say at all? Amazon sells porn and sex toys, should they be required to split off that part of their business because 50 puritanical christians in Australia can spend all day spam calling Visa and Mastercard? It's nonsense, these people won't stop here. Visa and Mastercard should have ignored these people
In any case, that's just dodging the issue.
These games ARE available on other platforms, the Collective Voice group is targeting those platforms too.
Before you just shrug and say that it won't affect you because you don't play porn games. Collective Voice's idea of obscene games that shouldn't be for sale don't stop at porn. They have also pressured the major retailers in Australia to not carry GTA5. They'd see Steam shutdown entirely if they had their way.
If they don't want to see porn then Steam already takes care of that, no account has Adult Content enabled by default. Steam has parental controls ( help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/… ) so parents can prevent their children from seeing any content that they don't like. These people are not upset because they're seeing porn, they're upset because other people choose to see porn and they want to stop them.
That's not how we do things in a free society. You can make choices for yourself, you can't force your choices to apply other people.
I don't think a single person here is disputing the fact that they can legally do this. There's a lot of things that are legal which are immoral.
It isn't the payment processor's place, ESPECIALLY one that we have allowed to have a de facto monopoly on credit card processing, to use that position in order to dictate morality.
From a pragmatic perspective, they're playing with fire by giving in to small but vocal extremist groups. Public outcry on issues can result in laws and regulations which would limit how payment processors can operate. We could pass laws which make it illegal for a payment processor to refuse to process payments for otherwise legal transactions.
You can disable showing adult games from the store in the store preferences.
store.steampowered.com/account…
This setting is apparently disabled by default, so at some point you enabled it.
Excuse me sir, but Super Hentai Bejeweled 3000 is one of the best games of our times.
/S
Just turn the adult stuff off yo.
One of the biggest problems is "what is porn?". Time and again a clear definition eludes us and it comes down to personal perception. What one group of people think is porn is not to a different group. Also something to think and reflect about, why are you okay with a store selling intense and graphic violence, but not sex?
Then we get to the fact that it isn't Steam calling the shots on this, not really. It is payment processors. The real outrage here is that Steam is not getting to decide what they do and don't sell, and it isn't a legal problem either. It is an arbitrary choice by the middle man monopoly. And there is nothing stopping their rules removing your ability to buy GTA or Dishonored next.
I think the backlash would be a lot less if this was truly a Steam decision. There would be people upset still, but I don't think to the same degree. The massive outrage is that stores all over, including as big as Steam, are being blackmailed into making these changes.
... and I have my age settings so I can see adult games like GTA/Dishonored, not “Super Hentai Bejeweled 3000”.
The former belong to the M rated category while the hypothetical latter would belong to the Adults Only category. As others have pointed out, you can hide adult games and still see other games with violence and mature themes. Steam classifies M-rated games and AO-rated games differently.
- steam is for games... no, it isn't really. steam has been distributing non game software for ages.
- porn games are games so even if steam is for games it should have porn games.
i don't care for porn games but I've filtered them out so who cares what others do with their time
As of July 16, Steam's new guidelines state that game publishers should avoid releasing titles that may violate the terms and conditions of its payment processors. In other words, the storefront is asking creators to not only follow the platform's rules but also submit to potential oversight from companies like MasterCard, Visa, and PayPal.
and from the petition
MasterCard and Visa have increasingly used their financial control to pressure platforms into censoring legal fictional content
Steam is enforcing MasterCard's, Visa's, and PayPal's policies. From Steam's Rules and Policies:
What you shouldn’t publish on Steam: ... 15. Content that may violate the rules and standards set forth by Steam’s payment processors and related card networks and banks, or internet network providers. In particular, certain kinds of adult only content.
Point number 15 was not there in a Snapshot from February on the wayback machine. If anything, the solution should just be to remove the payment method for those games (which would still hurt the creators substantially).
There is a line that is confusing:
In response to this censorship, some fans have launched a petition on Change.org urging Valve to revert its policies
There may be petitions about reverting Valve's policy, but it's not the main petition against Visa and MasterCard (which is the one they linked).
Replying my same comment from elsewhere to you as well:
Yes but the payment processors didn't say "you're not allowed to sell this game with our service" they said "you're not allowed to sell this game period or we walk".
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"Se lo spengo, la mia ragazza potrebbe pensare che la tradisco": l'ascesa della condivisione della posizione tra coppie
Molte app come "Dov'è?" ci permettono di seguire i nostri cari in ogni momento. Ma solo perché possiamo, significa che dovremmo?
La possibilità di condividere la propria posizione sul cellulare è diventata un modo comune per tenere d'occhio amici, familiari e partner. Per alcuni, è diventato il simbolo di una relazione seria: l'anno scorso, il New York Times ha definito la condivisione della posizione "l'ultima frontiera delle espressioni digitali della coppia" e l'ha paragonata al "lancio ufficiale" di Instagram (l'annuncio ufficiale di una relazione tramite la pubblicazione di una foto del partner per la prima volta). Altri condividono la posizione per impulso e si ritrovano in grado di rintracciare la posizione di persone che non vedono di persona da anni.
Ma sebbene possa essere diventata la norma in certi ambienti, molti rimangono restii a quella che può sembrare un'ulteriore sorveglianza digitale. Solo perché abbiamo la possibilità di sapere dove si trovano i nostri cari in ogni momento, significa che dovremmo saperlo?
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A PC with Ubuntu Desktop installed (not Ubuntu Server
Any reason why not use Server when setting up a home server?
That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure. I figured I'd ask op, since the post seems to be theirs.
As I'm writing this, I'm thinking maybe it's because Server is generally cli-first, and this post is geared towards a more noob audience, so they're going gui-first? If so, I appreciate the forethought.
That guide looks like it has all steps explained with terminal commands, so it should be fine to go for Server version to follow the guide.
I'm also pretty sure you can install the desktop GUI for Server later if you decide you need it for whatever reason, just in case.
Don't sell yourself short. This guide has the very real potential to be invaluable to someone just starting out! It's a great guide! Just needs a little more of the "why" factor, is all : ) keep it up!
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These responses closely mirrored examples of the false claim from pro-China sources, which alleged that Taiwan’s Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) was suppressing opposition voters by deliberately withholding voter notifications.
There's two things at play here. First, all models being released these days have safety built into the training. In the West, we might focus on preventing people from harming others or hacking, and in China, they're preventing people from getting politically supportive of China. But in a way, we are all "exporting" our propaganda.
Second, as called out in the article, these responses are clearly based on the training data. That is where the misinformation starts, and you can't "fix" the problem without first fixing that data.
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- The DSA is forcing companies to change their global content moderation policies. Nonpublic materials obtained by the Committee from the May 2025 workshop make clear that Commission regulators expect platforms to change their worldwide terms and conditions to comply with DSA obligations;
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- The DSA is forcing companies to change their global content moderation policies. Nonpublic materials obtained by the Committee from the May 2025 workshop make clear that Commission regulators expect platforms to change their worldwide terms and conditions to comply with DSA obligations;
- The DSA is being used to censor political speech, including humor and satire. Documents produced to the Committee under subpoena show that European censors target core political speech that is neither harmful nor illegal, attempting to stifle debate on topics such as immigration and the environment;
- Exercises from the Commission's May 2025 workshop show the true definitions of key terms in the DSA and Commission regulators' censorship expectations of social media platforms. For example, the Commission's workshop labeled a hypothetical social media post stating "we need to take back our country"—a common, anodyne political statement—as "illegal hate speech" that platforms are required to censor under the DSA;
- The censorship is largely one-sided, almost uniformly targeting political conservatives.
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For an example of the privacy implications, we just had a story up on this community (or another, not sure) about the Tea identity leak:
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That was yesterday. I seriously doubt that this is going to be the last time something like this happens.
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Doge reportedly using AI tool to create ‘delete list’ of federal regulations
A PowerPoint presentation made public by the Post claims that the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) used the AI tool to make “decisions on 1,083 regulatory sections”, while the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau used it to write “100% of deregulations”.The Post spoke to three HUD employees who told the newspaper AI had been “recently used to review hundreds, if not more than 1,000, lines of regulations”.
Oh, good. Everything was feeling a little too calm, so of course they're doing this right fucking now.
Doge reportedly using AI tool to create ‘delete list’ of federal regulations
‘Department of government efficiency’ is proposing to use tool to cut 50% of federal regulations by JanuaryAdam Gabbatt (The Guardian)
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I wonder if those using the tool are prepared for "Unforeseen Consequences"...
Eh, who am I kidding. Of course they're not.
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That's not how I meant it when 10 years ago talking about regulations being a bad thing.
I meant starting with copyright =\
"AI tool".
I live in Russia and I'm pissed that they are making its gang in power look almost competent in comparison.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure the God Father of the new right, who created the Heritage Foundation and is responsible for the existence of the project 2025 obsession with deregulation and dismantling of the current federal government, was inspired by your gang and kinda fell for believing he was actually saving them from communism and converting them into a nation of free market Christian capitalists. (Except as you probably know, his idea of a free market just meant freely controlled by those in power while removing any public regulations or protections)
PBS Documentary about Weyrich and Krieble involvement in Collapse of USSR Playing For Power (2012)
How One Man Influenced The Republican Party’s Transformation Into The Grand Old Putin Party
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Consumer Financial Protection Bureau used it to write “100% of deregulations”.
Doesn't sound like very good protection. It should be illegal to use "AI" like this, making critical decisions with a technology well known for making massive errors is so fucking stupid I can't even.
It should be illegal to use "AI" like this
That would require the people trying to pass laws to deregulate AI to stop trying to pass laws to deregulate AI. But no, that's not what we want. We want more money going to the top while paying fewer people along the way.
With the way Xitter "reprogrammed" new results from Gr0ck, I wouldn't be surprised if they're just copying and pasting from project 2025 and telling whichever LLM to reword everything into legalese so that they can claim ignorance on how their laws are killing their voters.
I mean, what do they have to lose? Just a little wasted time subpoenaing some CEOs and acting flabbergasted while they blatantly lie about not knowing what was going on.
And then politicians using the insane logic of, "if you didn't know this would fuck everyone, then why'd you let us buy it to fuck people???"
No, they did not use an algorithm to make the decisions. They are making the choices, but, being the feckless cowards they are, they're actually trying to set it up so they can hide behind a fucking computer program.
Sigh ...
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That's the plot from the Logan's Run TV show
In a change from the book and film, the television series had the city secretly run by a cabal of older citizens who promised Francis a life beyond the age of 30 as a city elder if he can capture the fugitives.
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Left needs to use LLM to counter this nonsense. Like, use LLM to patch loopholes and add traps to prevent further LLM use.
It’s not about LLM being unfit for this job, it’s more like we don’t have the manpower to defend against this mass-produced surgical sabotage.
The People Carrying Out Musk’s Plans at DOGE
I think several of them have quit by now, but I'm sure they would still appreciate your helpful feedback.
Who Is in DOGE? Tracking Its Staffers and Allies in the Federal Government
The Times has identified more than 70 people within the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, a group formed by Elon Musk that in a short few weeks has radically upended federal agencies.The New York Times
Imagine a junior dev called "Big Balls" starting up Claude Code and telling it "Hey I need you to make this app great, remove all unnecessary code" and then just accepting whatever it proposes. This is an app with no unit tests, no dev environment, running in production, and if it crashes people die in concentration camps.
Literally vibe coding a country.
As Spotify moves to video, the environmental footprint of music streaming hits the high notes
As Spotify moves to video, the environmental footprint of music streaming hits the high notes
Why aimless streaming should be avoided because video uses so much more energy than just audio.The Conversation
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And carting CDs and vinyl around used a lot more energy still.
We should focus on increasing renewable energy production, not degrowth.
These companies will use the lowest possible bitrate with the newest possible codecs to balance quality and bandwidth. They will also default to a medium quality when it comes to picking audio quality.
I’d say they are doing their best already just to save bandwidth costs.
Just look at YouTube and how they set the video quality (resolution) as low as they can get away with.
European average carbon footprint for video streaming as producing 55g of CO₂e per hour. This CO₂e or carbon dioxide equivalent is a comparable measure of the potential effect of different greenhouse gases on the climate: 55g of CO₂e is 50 times more than audio streaming and the equivalent of microwaving four bags of popcorn
What the fuck is this article? This is not helpful in any way. Yeah du-doy the thing that uses electricity "creates" carbon. How bout we remove fossil fuels from the grid then?
1.1g per hour is ridiculously efficient. An average meal in the Western world is ~3Kg.
To minimise the environmental footprint of your own music streaming, use Wi-Fi rather than 4G or 5G. If you listen to a song repeatedly, purchase a download to play. Use localised storage rather than cloud-based systems for all of your music and video files. Reduce auto-play, aimless background streaming or using streaming as a sleep aid by changing the default settings on your device including reducing streaming resolution. And turn your camera off for video calls, as carbon emissions are 25 times more than for audio only.
Lol no I won't.
What a stupid, bizarre and illogical article. It clearly shows that the key is in moving to renewables yet it still argues for the users also doing this sort of tiny useless gestures. I suspect it's AI-written at least in part.
No, since the article doesn't mention anything of that sort. I really, really doubt that in the world of crypto mining and AI training the average people streaming some music and music videos will make a substantial difference. Your degrowth-oriented approach sounds like it would just solidify the already highly monopolised market, as any new players or innovation can be met with the "wastes too much bandwidth" hammer, as is this new service by Spotify right here.
I highly recommend reading research about the sustainability of the internet.
This is the first article that I get on Google. Now, as they say, "I ain't reading all that" (I probably wouldn't understand most of it), but I did take a look at the abstract:
Decarbonising electricity would substantially mitigate the climate impacts linked to Internet consumption, while the use of mineral and metal resources would remain of concern. A synergistic combination of rapid decarbonisation and additional measures aimed at reducing the use of fresh raw materials in electronic devices (e.g., lifetime extension) is paramount to prevent the growing Internet demand from exacerbating the pressure on the finite Earth’s carrying capacity.
Sounds good to me! With no mention of having to limit our internet usage.
And if reducing bandwidth waste really were that important, it would have go both ways anyway, with the providers optimising their content (probably forced to do so by regulations in some way).
The environmental sustainability of digital content consumption - Nature Communications
The average Internet user spends over 40% of their waking hours online, yet the environmental footprint remains poorly understood.Nature
Sounds good to me! With no mention of having to limit our internet usage.
You don't have the power to decarbonize all electricity or to create and enforce laws to reduce the rate of e-waste. Until this changes, you have the power to limit your bandwidth usage, which is something that would result in less e-waste and less energy usage (and inherently less carbon emissions since all electricity isn't decarbonized). You're essentially saying "the paper says you can fix the problem in the future so I don't give a fuck about the problem now", which is not very bright.
And if reducing bandwidth waste really were that important, it would have go both ways anyway, with the providers optimising their content (probably forced to do so by regulations in some way).
My god. This might be the most naive thing I've ever read. This would be like saying "if carbon emissions were really that bad, oil and coal would be illegal". Guess what? The climate will be (and has already been) irreversibly damaged if we don't drastically reduce the amount of carbon fuel being used and no regulations have successfully come close to getting the necessary drastic reduction. Turns out everything that's bad doesn't magically get solved by regulations, especially when rich companies which rely on e.g. carbon fuel and bandwidth have major influence over politics due to their massive amount of resources.
You don’t have the power to decarbonize all electricity
From the article:
Location also affects how carbon emissions are managed. Germany has the largest carbon footprint for video streaming at 76g CO₂e per hour of streaming, reflecting its continued reliance on coal and fossil fuels. In the UK, this figure is 48g CO₂e per hour, because its energy mix includes renewables and natural gas, increasingly with nuclear as central to the UK’s low-carbon future. France, with a reliance on nuclear is the lowest, at 10g CO₂e per hour.
This is a massive difference, and clearly doable, nothing that would be limited to the distant future.
So I get this right? I'm naive for expecting govt regulations to put companies' behaviour under control, whereas you're realistic by expecting hundreds of millions of people deciding to systematically minimise their Youtube/Tiktok/Spotify/Netflix/Zoom usage? Hmm, alright.
And yet in an another comment you also expect that Spotify shouldn't introduce video streaming, without any external regulation but out of pure goodness of their hearts?
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datacenter liquid cooling solution
Hi,
I'm building a homelab watercooled unix server.
I don't want to buy expensive overpriced pre-mixes from ekwb or aquatuning.
What cooling solution do datacenters use for water cooling?
What is the chemical solution? Does anyone know?
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is liquid ~~cooking~~ cooling really necessary? critical data centers I have worked in use swamp coolers. cheaper, more efficient, more reliable, uses same water as your house...
edit: d'oh! 😀
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liquid cooking?
Haha, stupid sexy autocorrect, or honest typo, either way I got a good chuckle!
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Practically all even semi-modern DCs are built for servers themselves to be air cooled. The air itself is cooled via a heat exchanger with a separate and isolated chiller and cooling tower. The isolated chiller is essentially the swamp cooler, but it's isolated from the servers.
There are cases where servers are directly liquid cooled, but it's mostly just the recent Nvidia GPUs and niche things like high-frequency-trading and crypto ASICs.
All this said... For the longest time I water cooled my home lab's compute server because I thought it was necessary to reduce noise. But, with proper airflow and a good tower cooler, you can get basically just as quiet. All without the maintenance and risk of water, pumps, tubing, etc.
Industrial cooling towers are usually evaporative in my experience, smaller ones are large fans moving air over a stack of slats that the return water is sprayed or piped over and the collects in well for recirculation, larger ones afaik (like what you'd see at power plants) operate the same idea. Top ups and water chemistry is all automated.
Those systems have operation wide cooling loops that individual pieces of equipment tap into, some stuff uses it directly (see that with things like industrial furnaces) but smaller stuff or stuff that's sensitive you'll see heat exchangers and even then the server & PLC rooms were all air cooled, the air cons for them were all tied into the cooling water loops though.
From a maintenance POV though, way easier to air cool, totally seen motor drive racks with failed cooling fans that have had really powerful external blowers rigged up to keep them going to the next maintenance window. Yeah, industrial POV but similar idea.
There’s basically no reason ever to do water cooling on a home system unless you’re trying to do overclocking.
Air is cheaper, more reliable, and typically quieter because you don’t need pumps.
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You don't, but it's considerably quieter to use a liquid cooler on current high-end CPUs because of the amount of heat they dissipate. My current CPU has a considerably higher TDP than my last desktop's. I finally broke down and put an AIO cooler on the new one, and all the fans on the radiator can run at a much lower speed than my last CPU because the radiator is a lot larger than one hanging directly off the CPU, can dump heat to the air a lot more readily.
The GPU on that system, which doesn't use liquid cooling, has to have multiple slots and a supporting rail to support the weight because it has a huge heatsink hanging on a PCI slot that was never intended to support that kind of load, and the fans are far more spun up when it heats up.
The amount of power involved these days is getting pretty high. My early PCs could manage with entirely passive cooling, just a heatsink. Today, the above CPU dumps 250W and the above GPU 400W. I have a small space heater in the same room that, on low, runs at 400W.
Frankly, if I had a convenient mounting point in the case for the radiator, with the benefit of hindsight, I'd seriously have considered sticking an AIO liquid-cooled GPU in there --- there are a few manufacturers that do those. The GPU is a lot louder than the CPU when both are spun up.
I will kind of agree on the RGB LEDs, though. It's getting obnoxiously difficult to find desktop hardware that doesn't have those. My last build, I was having difficulty finding DIMMs that didn't have RGB LEDs; not normally a component that I think of anyone wanting to make visible.
I'm kind of wondering whether we'll get to the point where one just has a standard attachment point for liquid and just hooks the hardware's attachment into a larger system that circulates fluid. Datacenters would become quiet places.
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What cooling solution do datacenters use for water cooling?
They typically don't. The servers are air cooled and the room is conditioned with a Liebert or similar HVAC system.
Liquid cooling servers is not practical or warranted for most situations.
That's not entirely true, some do in fact use water cooling. There's even "of the shelf" solutions from Supermicro.
supermicro.com/en/solutions/li…
It's not widespread, but it's not inexistent.
Supermicro Liquid Cooling Solutions
Explore Supermicro's advanced liquid cooling solutions, including high-performance GPU, AI, and data center cooling systems.www.supermicro.com
Expanding on that, direct water cooling becomes more common the higher power density the racks are.
So as you get into 35kW+ racks it becomes the only way to get that much heat out, lots of GPU compute racks are water cooled by default now, the El Capitan super computer is entirely cooled through direct liquid interfaces, for example.
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I don’t have a direct answer to your question, but expensive premixes aren’t really necessary outside of achieving a certain aesthetic.
Distilled water, biocide and corrosion inhibitors. Make sure your metals are all compatible.
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In ours, the coolant is referred to as "PG25" (distilled water with 25% propylene glycol, plus corrosion inhibitors and other additives). It's widely available, and pre-mixed so it just gets poured straight in.
Your problem is going to be quantity. it might be cheaper per unit, but buying less than a 200 litre drum (if not a 1000 litre IBC) will prove to be a challenge.
I'd suggest a rethink, honestly.
Microsoft Used China-Based Support for Multiple U.S. Agencies, Potentially Exposing Sensitive Data
Microsoft says it will no longer use China-based engineers to support the Pentagon. But ProPublica found that the tech giant has relied on its global workforce for years to support other federal clients, including the Justice Department.
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FerretyFever0
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in reply to vaultdweller013 • • •vaultdweller013
in reply to FerretyFever0 • • •Oh no fights are fun. Tis the curse of my kin, seriously damned near every man on the German side of my family treats fights like a fun time waster. Not saying it's not instability just that my verbosity is perpetual regardless of my mood or actions, well unless I am physically exhausted then I communicate with a handful of words like a caveman.
Also just cause I'm somewhat calm going into a fight doesn't mean that the person I hurled insults at is.
SoftestSapphic
in reply to themachinestops • • •I'm sick of religious sex freaks forcing others to adhere to their puritan fetishes
We need to ban organized religion
stepan
in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •MrNobody
in reply to stepan • • •Sure, but since orgaanised religions can't help to force others to live by their standards, they need to get out of the way. I'm fine with people needing a comfort measure, even if its in the form of an invisibile friend. Whatever helps people sleep at night. However, when they try to force their ideals down everybody elses throat thats a big no.
So, since they can't 'live and let live' they need to go the way of the dodo, fuck off, and leave the rest of society alone.
Gsus4
in reply to MrNobody • • •Meh, I consider religions as political movements. When they go crazy fundamentalist, try to take over and become destructive, sure, shut them down.
But not just based on their future potential to turn destructive, that can happen to any ideology if the conditions are right.
Barrymore
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in reply to Barrymore • • •Barrymore
in reply to Gsus4 • • •Gsus4
in reply to Barrymore • • •Barrymore
in reply to Gsus4 • • •Gsus4
in reply to Barrymore • • •LifeInMultipleChoice
in reply to stepan • • •Okay, your life shall now be that of the Amish. Please remove your phone/computers and never drive a car again.
Remember to live and let live
Honytawk
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in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •Warl0k3
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in reply to QueenHawlSera • • •Honytawk
in reply to QueenHawlSera • • •QueenHawlSera
in reply to Honytawk • • •Bro I don't believe in God either. To be honest sometimes I wish I did.
Regardles my problem isn't with atheism but with specifcally Reddit Atheism
stepan
in reply to Honytawk • • •REDACTED
in reply to stepan • • •QueenHawlSera
in reply to stepan • • •Mwa
in reply to QueenHawlSera • • •ik you can be any religion or anything but the main problem i have with atheism is they make fun of religion.
like atleast be respectful if your gonna be atheist not have a superiority complex.
edit: maybe i used superiority complex here loselessly
Warl0k3
in reply to Mwa • • •Mwa
in reply to Warl0k3 • • •Warl0k3
in reply to Mwa • • •B: So the crusades were what, then?
The Wandering M4dTsar
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in reply to Wispy2891 • • •Katana314
in reply to Soup • • •- YouTube
www.youtube.comSonOfAntenora
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in reply to SonOfAntenora • • •SonOfAntenora
in reply to Jarix • • •deathbird
in reply to themachinestops • • •I truly don't understand how Visa/MasterCard/etc can be pressured. They are basically infrastructure.
What's someone going to do, stop using credit cards if they don't stop a store that person doesn't even patronize from selling morally hazardous goods?
I don't get how these campaigns are even effective.
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in reply to deathbird • • •sugar_in_your_tea
in reply to deathbird • • •RedFrank24
in reply to sugar_in_your_tea • • •That's because 90% of cryptocurrency marketing consists of "THINK OF THE GAAAAAAINS YOU CAN MAKE!" instead of "You can use this to buy things without government censorship".
The entire crypto industry has based itself around being a speculative asset, not a currency.
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in reply to sugar_in_your_tea • • •sugar_in_your_tea
in reply to goodnighttothe_spoon • • •Monero is perhaps the best option imo. Here's the official page about it, but basically:
It's far from ubiquitous, but it's popular enough that if a place accepts any crypto, there's a good chance they accept Monero as well.
The Merits of Monero: Why Monero vs Bitcoin
www.monero.howHonytawk
in reply to sugar_in_your_tea • • •sugar_in_your_tea
in reply to Honytawk • • •Some do, which is a lot more than GNU Taler. I don't know of another digital payment system that has more usage that isn't dominated by a handful of companies.
Here are some examples of things you can buy today w/ Monero:
It's far from ubiquitous, but it is being accepted today. If any of those places interest you, I recommend putting a small amount of money into Monero and trying it out.
Who takes Monero as payment in 2024?
NOWPayments.io (NOWPayments)emmy67
in reply to sugar_in_your_tea • • •deathbird
in reply to emmy67 • • •sugar_in_your_tea
in reply to emmy67 • • •emmy67
in reply to sugar_in_your_tea • • •sugar_in_your_tea
in reply to emmy67 • • •Then I guess I don't understand your problem.
Payment processors like Visa and Mastercard control a huge chunk of the market, which gives them a lot of say in what transactions are allowed. Even if you avoid credit, most debit cards go through those two companies, so they can restrict what transactions you can make.
With cryptocurrencies, there's no restriction at the point of sale. Your problem seems to be that converting crypto to fiat could be problematic, and they'd potentially be stuck with "useless" currency. My point is that's a much easier problem to solve:
There are a ton of options to convert crypto to fiat, there are far fewer to select a different fiat payment processor.
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in reply to deathbird • • •Rooty
in reply to themachinestops • • •"Pro life feminist"
A christian conservative group in drag,nothing to see here.
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in reply to themachinestops • • •LainTrain
in reply to 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 • • •It's got a kid robot in it that's abused. Not sexually afaik. But it's definitely not pornographic, it's literally the driving force of one of the plotlines and causes an android to rebel and kill it's owner - the abuser.
Let me repeat: the game is literally so anti-child-abuse - it makes the plot happen.
This whole thing is so stupid. You give these types of people an inch they take a mile.
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in reply to themachinestops • • •OK now I am not one to lob accusations without evidence, but for any of you kind government agents or AIs reading this, let’s say from anywhere within the Five Eyes since we’re talking about Australia:
We have another fanatical religious conservative organization here that is publicly labeling opposition groups pedos. You know how this has trended in the past. Keep an eye on these people.
pewgar_seemsimandroid
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in reply to themachinestops • • •Phoenixz
in reply to omniman • • •Because they want to apply their rules to everyone, it's the entire point for religious assholes
Fuck all religions
crusa187
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in reply to Phoenixz • • •Fuck All Religions 😍
I’ll join that cult!
VoidJuiceConcentrate
in reply to themachinestops • • •me watching clearly adult humans doing consentual sex things
some religious zealot chud: this makes you a pedo somehow
joenforcer
in reply to VoidJuiceConcentrate • • •This comment and many like it are a product of only reading the headline. Also shame on the authors for the ragebait headline.
The tweet the quote comes further classifies that they're talking about games that include rape, incest, and/or child sex abuse. I'm not sure if people are just knee-jerk reacting to headlines without understanding what's actually happening, or if they are legitimately upset that rape fantasy games are being removed. In both cases, you're stating that you are vocally in support of rape media, which is not OK.
VoidJuiceConcentrate
in reply to joenforcer • • •Sure, that's the plausible deniability reasoning. But the end result, whether you agree with the on the surface reasoning or not, is the removal of all adult media whether or not it is offending. This coupled with the lumping in of LGBT issues with Adult media (and often lumping in with egregious media like rape and abuse fantasy) means that the end result is removal of adult games AND games which feature LGBT characters and storylines.
and uh, if you actually did read my comment, I did say consenting. me saying I enjoy content where clear adults are consentually enjoying sex is not endorsing rape fantasy games, and is a bit of a Twitter ass conclusion to come to.
joenforcer
in reply to VoidJuiceConcentrate • • •The article you commented on is explicitly referencing media where consent cannot be given. So, I'm not sure why you commented about consenting adults in the first place, because that had nothing to do with the topic.
VoidJuiceConcentrate
in reply to joenforcer • • •Zozano
in reply to themachinestops • • •Collective Shout claim it’s about harm reduction, but then push an agenda that functionally amounts to moral panic.
Their approach is identical in logic to the “GTA causes school shootings” hysteria: loud, pearl-clutching, and utterly unmoored from data.
If Collective Shout want to argue these games cause harm, then show us the harm. Not correlation. Not outrage. Not hypothetical downstream consequences. Show causation. Peer-reviewed. Reproducible.
Otherwise, they’re just moralizing bullies using the banking system as a cudgel.
On top of this, they might actually be harming their own cause. The catharsis hypothesis poses that sexual fantasy enactment might reduce risk of real world harm.
The logic is simple: suppressing a compulsion doesn't eliminate it. It just bottles up until it explodes. Redirect it into a safe outlet, and it becomes manageable.
The only reason this research isn't cited more often is because it's politically radioactive. Nobody wants to admit that it's better to let a gooners jerk off, than to escalate under repression.
The burden of proof SHOULD be on Collective Shout to provide a reasonable argument which supports their claim that censorship will reduce real world harm.
Current working theory in psychology: it doesn't. Emerging theory suggests: they're shooting themselves (and potential rape victims) in the foot.
The real solution to real-world harm involves empathy, autonomy and education.
MonkderVierte
in reply to Zozano • • •QueenHawlSera
in reply to MonkderVierte • • •blargle
in reply to QueenHawlSera • • •QueenHawlSera
in reply to blargle • • •Sadly from my experiences with feminist groups, TERFs have historically been the norm not the exception.
You should really look into what the Daughters of Bilitis were up to, and books like the The Transsexual Empire. A book I cannot say the full name of for it contains a slur.
Historically feminist groups have attacked transgender women and gay men for "Infringing upon what it means to be a woman."
lightnsfw
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in reply to themachinestops • • •cosmo
in reply to CMonster • • •Buddahriffic
in reply to cosmo • • •That second part is kinda annoying though. It doesn't know the difference between a view because of curiosity and one because of actual interest.
It's what ruined the YouTube suggestions for me. I liked being able to do completely unrelated and random dives. Now it's just a collection of videos related to previous ones I've watched, even when I'm not logged in and have viewing history turned off. If I want to watch another chess video, I know how to use the search function. That's how I found them the first time.
Though steam does also have a "stop showing me games like this" where it gives options about what you mean by "this".
CMonster
in reply to cosmo • • •Rekorse
in reply to themachinestops • • •panda_abyss
in reply to Rekorse • • •No, but you might want to take a step back from that ledge advice a steep much huddy hill.
Frankly I think a lot of modern games are fucked up in their portrayal of the human body, and those relationship sim dress up games are kinda gross.
But I don't think this should be too to credit card companies to unilaterally decide.
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in reply to Rekorse • • •It's not about porn games. It's about allowing third-party private interests to engage in censorship.
If Valve were to ban porn games from being sold on Steam because they find them distasteful, I wouldn't have a problem with this. But it wasn't Valve's decision. It was the payment processors who did it on behalf of interests that are apparently allowed to determine what is permissible on other people's platforms.
That's not okay.
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