France | Paris residents decry 'Disneyfication' of Montmartre as tourism soars
Some Paris residents are raising concerns about overtourism in the neighbourhood of Montmartre, saying that essentials like food shops are disappearing to accommodate millions of visitors each year. They fear the historical neighbourhood is turning into an open-air theme park.
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Airbus workers to stage strikes amid pay dispute
Unite said 3,000 members will walk out for 10 days in September.
Israel approves Gaza City takeover plan and 60,000 reservists
Israel’s Defence Minister Israel Katz has signed off on a military plan to take Gaza City and authorised the mobilisation of about 60,000 reservists, his ministry has confirmed.
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Dutch government preparing UK-style anti-glorification of terrorism law
The Dutch government is preparing a law criminalising the glorification of terrorism — but critics warn its vague wording risks curbing freedom of expression, enabling political persecution, and expanding punishable conduct well beyond its stated aim.
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Dutch government preparing UK-style anti-glorification of terrorism law
The Dutch government is preparing a law criminalising the glorification of terrorism — but critics warn its vague wording risks curbing freedom of expression, enabling political persecution, and expanding punishable conduct well beyond its stated aim…Wester van Gaal (EUobserver)
How the rise of Craigslist helped fuel America’s political polarization
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How the rise of Craigslist helped fuel America’s political polarization
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You can’t just blame the fucking media. People at large are at fault for thinking republican bullshit is even halfway normal. They elected a pussy-grabbing, child-rapist felon who openly professes how he’d fuck his own daughter. To say nothing of his failed marriages, failed business, never having worked a goddamn day in his life, openly criminal associations and activities, and myriad public debacles.
Go on and marinate on that for a minute.
Nobody is "just blaming" any one thing except in your head. The headline says "helped fuel" not "single-handedly caused."
Maybe you've been affected by a related trend - that of not reading properly and just replying with whatever half-baked idea was already bouncing around?
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We study these questions using the staggered introduction of Craigslist (CL)—the world’s largest online platform for classified advertising—across U.S. counties between 1995 and 2009.
So well before TACO Don was even a candidate.
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Dang, TIL!
The short-lived operation used military-style tactics to remove Mexican immigrants—some of them American citizens—from the United States.
Let’s not forget his high achievement of winning a Golden Razzie award for his terrible performance as….himself. Yes, he achieved worst supporting actor playing himself. Not only that the movie is a perverted B- dumpster fire.
Just to be clear, I’m not saying this is anywhere near as serious compared to the points you’ve made. Those are truly harmful things done to others. To know he was in such a low ranked movie and had the worst performance of everyone in it while trying to portray himself brings a bit of joy.
Ghosts Can't Do It
Elderly Scott kills himself after a heart attack wrecks his body, but then comes back as a ghost and convinces his loving young hot wife Kate to pick and kill a young man in order for Scott to possess his body and be with her again.The Movie Database
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Propaganda works. Yeah, people are stupid, but if you spend decades destroying education and teaching disinfo, well... The results are predictable
You can hate them all you like, but you do have to look at the problem logically if you want to fix it
The reduction in coverage was most pronounced before primary elections.The reduction in staff covering politics made it harder for voters to differentiate between moderates and extremists in partisan primaries, and allowed extreme candidates to do better than they did before.
This makes sense, and it explains a lot, actually.
And to be clear, it's not just craigslist as a culprit here, but it's such a controlled A/B test that the effects are reliably measurable.
In the original paper, they also observed reduced turnout for House/Senate elections (which the article didn't emphasize as much, but is defininitely there): academic.oup.com/restud/articl…
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At the turn of the millennium, newspapers relied on classifieds for an average of 30% of their revenues. Martin and his colleagues found that the loss of this revenue led newspaper executives to cut costs largely by shrinking local political news coverage.
Vienna announced as host city for Eurovision song contest 2026
Final of 70th edition of competition to be held on 16 May at the Wiener Stadthalle, Austria’s largest indoor arena
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Australia | University of Melbourne breached students’ privacy by using wifi network to monitor pro-Palestine protest
Victoria’s deputy information commissioner finds university did not give adequate notice or justification for how location data would be used
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Italian coaches’ association calls for Israel’s suspension from international football
The Italian Coaches’ Association (AIAC) has called on FIFA and UEFA to suspend Israel from all international football competitions due to the ongoing conflict in the Gaza Strip.
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Investigation into 'horrifying' death of French Kick streamer
Raphaël Graven, also known as Jeanpormanove, was found dead at a residence in Contes, a village north of Nice, prosecutors said.
Netanyahu slams Macron for fuelling 'antisemitic fire'
Jerusalem (AFP) – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu upbraided President Emmanuel Macron in a letter seen by AFP on Tuesday, blaming the French leader's move to recognise a Palestinian state for fuelling antisemitism.Late last month, Macron said France would formally recognise a Palestinian state during a UN meeting in September, drawing a swift rebuke from Israel.
By announcing the move, France was set to join a growing list of nations to have recognised statehood for the Palestinians since the start of the Gaza war nearly two years ago.
In the letter sent to Macron, Netanyahu said antisemitism had "surged" in France following the announcement.
"Your call for a Palestinian state pours fuel on this antisemitic fire. It is not diplomacy, it is appeasement. It rewards Hamas terror, hardens Hamas's refusal to free the hostages, emboldens those who menace French Jews and encourages the Jew-hatred now stalking your streets," Netanyahu wrote in the letter.
The Israeli premier went on to call on Macron to confront antisemitism in France, saying he must "replace weakness with action, appeasement with resolve, and to do so by a clear date: the Jewish New Year, September 23".
According to an AFP tally, at least 145 of the 193 UN members now recognise or plan to recognise a Palestinian state, including Australia, Britain and Canada.
Canberra joined the list earlier this month, announcing its intention to recognise a Palestinian state in September.
Netanyahu slammed his Australian counterpart Anthony Albanese on Tuesday, labelling him a "weak politician who betrayed Israel and abandoned Australia's Jews," in an angry post on his office's official X account.
The personal attack came amid a diplomatic spat between the two countries after the Australian government on Monday cancelled the visa of far-right Israeli politician Simcha Rothman.
Rothman, whose ultranationalist party is in Netanyahu's governing coalition, had been scheduled to speak at events organised by the Australian Jewish Association.
Hours after his visa was cancelled, Israel's Foreign Minister Gideon Saar said he had revoked the visas of Australia's representatives to the Palestinian Authority.
In a statement, Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong said revoking their visas was an "unjustified reaction" by Israel and that Netanayahu's government was "isolating Israel and undermining international efforts towards peace and a two-state solution".
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<...> blaming the French leader's move to recognise a Palestinian state for fuelling antisemitism.
This war criminal is so used to using "antisemitism" as a sword/shield for everything that he doesn't even realize how insane that sounds...
What labelling everything critical of Israeli state as "antisemitism" really achieves is making people insensitive to real antisemitism. Jews should be the first ones to call this out if not out of basic decency, then at least for self-preservation.
White House launches official TikTok account with Trump saying 'I am your voice'
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I am your voice.
White House launches official TikTok account with Trump saying 'I am your voice'
Other Sources:
- CNN.White House joins TikTok after delaying enforcement of sale-or-ban law
The White House launched a TikTok account on Tuesday amid uncertainty about the app’s future, as another deadline approaches for its parent company, Bytedance, to sell to a US buyer or be banned in the United States.Kit Maher (CNN)
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Zombo.com is a single-serving site created in 1999. The site parodies Flash introductory web pages that play while the rest of a site's content loads. Zombo took the concept to a humorous extreme, consisting of one long introductory page that leads to an invitation to sign up for a newsletter.
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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_…
It is the one world famous quote of him. It rhymes in French, therefore it usually remains untranslated. He declared with this sentence what historians later called absolutism.
A wolf pretending to be sheeps' voice.
pretending to be people's voice.
He does not really intend to speak for the people in the way a lawyer or other representative speaks for you, works in your favor, towards your good.
He intends to replace your voice, but pursuing his own goals. And when he has spoken, then nobody else needs to speak anymore. It is sufficiently spoken.
The White House launched a TikTok account, as President Donald Trump continues to permit the Chinese-owned platform to operate in the United States despite a law requiring its sale.
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This is not my voice\
Just something synthesized\
These are not my words\
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Something's speaking for me\
I need to be released\
I need to be free
Eine urbane Dystopie, in der jede Blickbewegung lückenlos dokumentiert wird. Ein digitaler Käfig. Eine Welt, in der jede Erinnerung und jeder Augenaufschlag gespeichert ist. Das Ganze als kühler Techno-Thriller erzählt. Kein Übermaß an Action, dafür eine Gewalt, die vor allem durch Bilder wirkt – Bilder, die manipuliert, überschrieben, gehackt werden. Ein Science-Fiction der in die Zeit passt, wie wenig andere. Andrew Niccol hat gezeigt, wie es geht! (ZDF)
Das Setdesign ist - wie bei Gattaca - klasse. Allein die Aschenbecher überall, die Autos, der Beton, cool. Bis zum Ende des Films drängt sich ein wenig der Gedanke auf, der Minimalismus gründet lediglich auf knappem Budget
Die Grundidee ist stark, erinnert an den Roman "Replay" von B.Stein oder an "Strange Days". Dann ein erstes Logik-Fragezeichen [s.Spoiler im nächsten Tröt], 1-2 undeutliche Motivationen und zum Ende leidlich konstruiert aufgelöst. >
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Frieland wird zu einem Doppelmord gerufen, die Aufzeichnungen der Opfer wurden manipuliert. Er verfolgt die vermeintliche (!) Täterin, die seine Wahrnehmung hackt und manipuliert.
Next: Er stellt sich als Köder zur Verfügung und mimt einen Börsenmakler, der über ein Forum Hacker sucht, um Aufzeichnung zu löschen.
Jemand, der schon direkt mit einem Täter konfrontiert war, würde nicht undercover nach diesem suchen. Es besteht doch Gefahr, erkannt >>
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zu werden.
Nächste Frage: Warum wird die Verdächtige nicht schon beim ersten Besuch im Appartement festgehalten? Das sollte doch die Falle sein, sie ist hineingetappt - fertig?
Siehe oben: "Anon" von Niccol
From awkward voice bots to emotional, human-like audio in minutes.
🎙️ Confessions of a Voice-Challenged Creator: How I Stopped Worrying and Let AI Talk For Me
Let’s be honest: Creating content with voice used to feel like filming a Marvel movie — fun in theory, financially traumatic in practice.
🚧 My Painful AI Voiceover Journey
- Voice actors are amazing. My bank account? Not so much. I once paid more for 60 seconds of narration than for my monthly rent.
- AI voices sounded like…AI. Monotone, lifeless, and emotionally unavailable — kind of like my ex.
- “Supports 20 languages!” they said. But none sounded remotely native. My Spanish dub had the vibe of a high school French student trying Japanese.
- Workflows were a mess. Script here, voiceover there, edits everywhere. It was a creative relay race, and I always dropped the baton.
💡 Then I Found My Secret Weapon: AllVoiceLab
I didn’t expect it to feel… real.
The first time I heard my own voice — cloned, modulated, and layered with emotional nuance — I froze. Not because it sounded “AI,” but because it didn’t.
I’ve tested voiceover tools for years. Most sounded like early GPS systems trying to read Shakespeare. So when I stumbled onto AllVoiceLab, I expected more of the same. I was wrong.
🎬 Want to know how to use it? Watch this full tutorial video.
A Real Creator Test: From Script to Emotion in Minutes
I pasted a script.
Chose a voice model.
Clicked play.
And there it was — natural, dynamic, expressive. The AI voice paused, rose, and dropped exactly where a real human would.
But my translated audio can’t be uploaded.
Voice Cloning Was My Turning Point
I uploaded 30 seconds of my own voice. The tool cloned it — no studio needed, no extra training. It was weird. In a good way. I could now narrate anything, in my voice, with better pacing than I do live.
Technically, you can clone any voice from an upload. I gave Elon Musk’s voice a shot — but yeah, can’t just leak that out.
API & Power Tools for Scale
As a developer, I wanted more. I found their API documentation.
All API requests should include your API key in an ai-api-key HTTP header as follows:
ai-api-key: AVOICE_API_KEY
You can paste the command below into your terminal to run your API request. Make sure to replace $AVOICE_API_KEY with your secret API key.
curl ‘https://api.allvoicelab.com/$PATH' \
-H ‘Content-Type: application/json’ \
-H ‘ai-api-key: $AVOICE_API_KEY’
Video Dubbing, Multilingual Magic
I uploaded a short video clip and selected French. The result wasn’t just a dub — it was emotionally aligned.This used to take weeks.
What Makes It Different
- More expressive than Vozo. ai
- Easier UI than Akool
- Cheaper and faster than ElevenLabs
And they offer all features — voice cloning, TTS, dubbing, narration — in one clean platform.
AllVoiceLab isn’t just AI voice
It’s your voice — cloned, refined, and emotionally alive.If you’re a creator, podcaster, or brand storyteller, give it a shot. It changed how I think about sound.
👉 Try it yourself: www.allvoicelab.com
All Voice Lab: High Fidelity Voice Cloning & Text-to-Speech
All Voice Lab offers high-fidelity AI voice cloning, Text-to-Speech, and real-time Voice Changer for creators—perfect for video dubbing, podcasts, and more.www.allvoicelab.com
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benefits of using GB Whatsapp
In today’s fast-paced digital world, communication apps have become a necessity, and WhatsApp is at the top of the list. However, many users are looking for more features, flexibility, and customization options that the official app doesn’t offer. This is where GB WhatsApp comes in as a popular alternative.
One of the biggest benefits of GB WhatsApp is its enhanced customization. Unlike the standard version, it allows users to change themes, fonts, and colors, giving a more personalized chatting experience. For people who love to make their app look unique, this is a major advantage.
Another benefit is the privacy features. GB WhatsApp lets you hide your online status, blue ticks, and even typing indicators. This gives you full control over how others see your activity, making communication more private and stress-free.
GB WhatsApp also offers advanced media sharing. While the official app limits file size and quality, GB WhatsApp lets you send larger videos, more images at once, and share high-resolution files without compression. This is especially useful for professionals, students, or anyone who frequently exchanges media.
Additionally, features like dual accounts on the same phone, auto-reply, and extended status updates make GB WhatsApp a versatile tool. It combines the simplicity of WhatsApp with added functionality that saves time and improves the overall experience.
For users who want to explore these extra features safely and efficiently, visiting trusted sources is essential. You can learn more and access GB WhatsApp updates at www.gbwhatsap.id
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In short, GB WhatsApp provides freedom, privacy, and personalization that the official version lacks. Whether you want to stand out with unique themes or enjoy advanced sharing features, it’s an excellent choice for modern communication.
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L'Elisabetta Fratoni Jazz Quartet torna a suonare al Campo Antico Ricevimenti di #Orte 🎺 🎤 🎹 🥁
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Le ruote del destino nel colossale veicolo trasformato in tempio del Sole a Konark - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Le ruote del destino nel colossale veicolo trasformato in tempio del Sole a Konark - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Dietro una solida barriera cresciuta sulla costa di querce tamarina ed allori tamanu, perfettamente visibile dal punto panoramico lungo un’arteria di collegamento stradale, si erge nella regione storica di Odisha un edificio dell’altezza di 30 metri …Jacopo (Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri)
[Question] Anyone here currently writing a story?
How's your story coming along?
What's it about?
What genre(s) is it written in?
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I'm writing one about a world where the bones of the dead can be compressed into blocks of fuel, powering an industrial revolution. However, burning the compressed bones releases the ghosts of those within as amalgamations that kill anyone on the streets after dark. Obviously there was a push to stop using it once the danger was discovered, but factories and rich folk didn't want to give up cheap fuel, so everyone's stuck with the killer smog whether they personally stop or not.
The story itself is about a detective trying to figure out how a robbery occurred in the middle of the night.
Proton Authenticator
As more and more of our important personal data is stored online and more and more hacks of corporate databases make that data available to the worst people, the need for added security on our online accounts has grown considerably. It’s no longer enough to have a secure, hard to crack password. We now need to enable two-factor/multi-factor authentication (2FA/MFA). These services allow you to use something you have, such as your smartphone, along with something you know, in this case your password, to ensure that your account stays secure.
Previously, MFA services were only available for government organizations or enterprise banking services. Now, MFA apps are available to anybody with a smart phone or a computer. Large tech companies such as Google and Microsoft provide free MFA apps, for use with their own services as well as with others which offer MFA for their accounts. You can even sync these apps between devices to ensure you always have your MFA accounts available to you. One thing these apps do not provide, however, is encryption of your MFA accounts. If your Google account is hacked, the hackers could gain access to your MFA codes.
Proton, a Swiss company known for its focus on user privacy and security, has released their own authenticator app, Proton Authenticator. This app, available on all major computer and mobile operating systems, adds end-to-end encryption between devices to keep your MFA accounts secure and safe. If your Proton account is hacked, your MFA accounts are still not visible to the hackers. The app is also open source, allowing anyone to inspect the code and verify its security. Finally, the app is free with no Proton account requirement to use it.
You can find more information about Proton Authenticator as well as download options for your devices here.
Proton: Privacy by default
Over 100 million people use Proton to stay private and secure online. Get a free Proton account and take back your privacy.Proton
Microsoft breaks Windows reset and recovery
August update leaves Windows reset and recovery dead in the water
: Want to pass on that old PC? Perhaps wait until out-of-band patch arrivesRichard Speed (The Register)
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Does "reset and recovery" mean "wipe the hard disk and put a fresh licensed Windows install on"?
Not needing a license for a Linux distro means that's straightforward without a special tool.
How does Microsoft regularly. Was up this badly?
Do all companies (Apple/linux) do it to but we don’t hear about it because of the smaller user base or is Microsoft literally this incompetent?
If they are, why can they fix the root issue?
The is a genuine question that I don’t have the answer to.
Right... thanks for the laugh... lol
Oh look: windowslatest.com/2025/08/20/m…
Microsoft is investigating Windows 11 KB5063878 SSD data corruption/failure issue
Microsoft told Windows Latest that it's investigating reports of SSD data corruption/failure after Windows 11 KB5063878.Mayank Parmar (Windows Latest)
I’ve been on macOS since the Windows XP era and never in my life has the OS broken after a software update.
Come to think of it, same goes with iOS. I’ve been on iOS since the iPhone 4.
Probably also comes down to not many softwares deciding to fuck with system files.
Recently had a borked Win7 -> Win10 install that was unable to keep the Win11 upgrade stable.
After an update and reboot it stopped working.
Probable reason why: Some McAfee drive encryption driver embedded in the system files.
The drive wasnt encrypted. All files were externally readable by our backup software.
But removing the files from system32 borked the system and resulted in BSODs.
Is it this invasive on the mac side?
Apple's base is big enough where if a problem like this happens, it's a big deal. Apple has the benefit of controlling both hardware and software.
With Linux, being open source helps it out since so many people can test and chime in.
I should really keep up with Windows news even if I don't use it.
Thank you for the info and thank you for posting.
The is a genuine question that I don’t have the answer to.
I would say that because nobody can muster the consensus on any real policy. There's plenty of legacy, with many different people and teams responsible, knowledge lost and so on.
And then this requires some sort of unified vision. Despite, eh, all the downsides, Apple can do that. MS can't.
They'd honestly have to make a separate "neowin" subsystem with new GUI and everything, and make win32 and win64 and all the old tooling optional and parallel. Because their approach to backward compatibility means keeping everything around. They can't fix the mess maintaining that.
This kind of shit happens with a similar frequency... on Arch Linux. It's rolling release, shit happens sometimes. archlinux.org's homepage actually lists past major packaging issues.
Debian however is rock-fucking-solid. But so is Windows Server, I hear. The problem is that Microsoft is treating Windows Home/Pro like a rolling release distro, and the users are guinea pigs. I guess Microsoft is right though, their users will eat it up 'till shit is spilling out from both ends, so why bother?
Jesus fucking Christ, is Windows just 100% vibe coded now? How do those fuckups keep happening? It's honestly unbelievable...
I'm so glad I decided to move away from it - I still have no idea what I'm doing in Linux, but then again I never had a lot of idea about what I'm doing in Windows either, so it's all good 😀
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You might not yet always know what you're doing to your Linux install...
But you can never really what the fuck Microsoft is gonna do to your windows install.
That's without even getting into whether or not Microsoft knows what they're doing themselves.
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Amen to that.
I settled on Manjaro for now because it's super nice and easy to use - I heard it had some issues with updates on the past, but for the last year or so it's been really nice for me, so I'll wait until the first screwup before distro-hopping somewhere else 😀
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At work win 11 has already messed up twice. Once in an image and it black screened. As in it stopped working and no blue screen just black.
Its pretty bad. At least win 10 kept working.
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As the article mentions, it's because Microsoft cut down their quality control to the point where they're just sending stuff out then reacting when people report what breaks. Sure they have their "insider" builds but that program isn't working very well to catch these issues that find their way into release builds.
Back in the day they had a massive testing lab and a big team of testers. Then they fired them all just over a decade ago. We can thank Satya Nadella I guess. He's more of a line-go-up man than a good quality products person.
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That's what happens when big corporations decide that they can get away with having 30+% less staff, which most of the big companies are doing.
Plus lots of other efficiency killers, like RTO policies for teams that work 80% with people in other regions, etc.
"Thanks to Microsoft's legendary approach to quality control, installing Windows patches these days is getting to be less like Russian Roulette and more like accidentally stepping on a rake left in the grass."
Oooof!
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I got a survey question from windows feedbackhub on my work computer yesterday, asking if i would recommend windows. And i thought fine ill answer this seriously with real reasons why.
I wrote a long explanation from my own experiences helping people and using it, half way through i shit you not, the feedbackhub froze and crashed.
It wasn't even that negative.
Would you recommend windows to family and friends?
No, 90% of those i help (ages 10-70) with computers and tech dont need a computer, they can use their phone for everything. A phone can pay bills, contact friends and family even print documents or pictures just fine and they have everything they need and want.
The only reason someone even wants a PC today is to play games or they need it for work and in those cases i usually don't need to recommend them an os because they probably don't have any other options, because they are comfortable windows or mac.
I don't usually leave feedback. I have done it maybe six times when I've been really pissed. In two of those times I've gotten "server error" or similar after writing a long rant and pressing "send"
Seems to be a really important and respected part of any service.
You have learned the lesson. The lesson to Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C (select all and copy) your text into a separate document elsewhere before hitting send. In fact you should be doing that periodically anyway because browsers and browser-based apps are more likely than they should be to stop working unexpectedly.
And if the form disallows this action you'll have to get creative with the browser tools to modify the page that way instead.
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Thanks to Microsoft's legendary approach to quality control, installing Windows patches these days is getting to be less like Russian Roulette and more like accidentally stepping on a rake left in the grass.
I like the second metaphor:
The whole neighborhood is going to hear you swearing and shouting 🤬
Just Debian things give it another 5 years and you will be good to go!
The cost of stability lol
I switched to Linux when i built my first tower in 2022
And have never looked back
Everyone I’ve read that’s used Fedora has liked it. I’d consider it on a secondary machine or something maybe.
Cachy has been awesome, I’d recommend it if you decide to change distros in the future. I’m enjoying Arch as a base more than Ubuntu for sure. I haven’t tried anything based on Fedora though other than Bazzite which is immutable, so I’m not sure if that really counts.
Nix seems cool but its big selling point that I’ve read is easy reproduction which I don’t think I’d utilize much. I might be missing something, but Arch seems more for me personally.
Classic recommendations are Linux Mint and Ubuntu, I think Zorin as well, but there are many others. For starters which one you use won't matter too much, because more likely than not you're gonna switch again.
I started with Ubuntu because it's easy to use and I was new. One can argue over the pros and cons. I'm looking at Manjaro at the minute, an easy to install and beginner friendly Arch distro. Really, you can just try most of them out online though. Check out DistroSea and you can actually emulate the OSs with several desktop environments right in your browser.
That really depends on you, keep in mind a lot of distro’s like Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Kali Linux are based off of Debian just using different repositories and with system files in different locations.
I personally went with Debian and have had little to no complaints, definitely BASH/Shell/Terminal heavy so if you’re not willing to learn BASH I would probably use an immutable distro that you can’t easily break like Bazzite.
The 12 Best Debian-based Linux Distributions
Debian is one of the most popular distributions, among desktop enthusiasts. This guide features some of the most widely used Debian-based Linux distributions.James Kiarie (Tecmint: Linux Howtos, Tutorials & Guides)
I’m mostly into protecting my data
Debian. Not Ubuntu - just Debian. Or Linux Mint Debian Edition (Debian with Cinnamon on top).
Glad I ditched Windows entirely on my personal devices and went to Linux. No ragrets. Games still work wonderfully.
Any absolutely required usage of Windows on a personal device is provided by a VM running a stripped-down version of W10 LTSC, activated by massgrave scripts.
Weird that they started pushing bad updates after they fired all those people
Must be a coincidence
Pritzker, taking aim at Trump, crypto ‘bros,’ signs laws to regulate digital currency industry, crypto ATMS
The laws will bolster consumer protections for crypto users and limit withdrawals to $2,500 a day for new users of digital currency kiosks, which have become magnets for scams and drug-dealing.
The Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation, which has been given the power to regulate digital asset exchanges and businesses, will require the crypto industry to comply with protections now in place for consumers of traditional financial services, such as banks.
Crypto businesses will have to keep enough money on hand to operate effectively and have plans to target fraud and money-laundering.
To prevent fraud, the state will cap daily transaction amounts at kiosks at $2,500 for new customers, limit transaction fees at kiosks to 18% and provide full refunds to new customers who get defrauded.
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No need for AI when the truth is far more shitty than anything that could be thought of.
Sincerely, an independent.
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my state seems to be functioning at a better level than the federal government
As someone who lives in California, this just seems like a normal thing.
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I BUILT A GOOGLE NEWS CLONE JUST WITH ANTI-CAPITALIST AND LEFT-WING NEWS SOURCES
The ReVolt - Revolutionary News & Radical Perspectives
Sparking change through independent journalism. Revolutionary left-wing news aggregator for the resistance.The ReVolt
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Google Play too. Maybe this is some kind.
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Looking at the links, this might be some kind of template and they forgot to hide the links. I don't see their app in the Google Play store.
I think this is just a web app. Please correct me if I am wrong.
1. Some of the sources are not left wing at all.
2. In general I felt long form articles are not in focus. If you need help with sources I can give you my rss feed list.
3. App links are not working.
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Yes but it is really a Google News clone without random shit like "10 Anime Characters Who Ate Right but Still Died Young" or "50 Crazy Times Animals Did Taxes, #34 Will Blow You Away?"
I get an astonishingly junk food feed on my Google app, but you're right to seek alternatives. It's even peddling the propaganda site Whitehouse.gov.
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It's weird that I never get any of that sort of guff, same with YouTube suggestions, they're always at minimum decent quality things I might be interested in.
I've never been recommended a Mister Beast video, for example, or any of that rubbish.
Not that I want to just lean on Google services or anything, it's just really weird that the algorithm works so well for me and so poorly for other people. I really wish I knew why!
Is there a way to limit it to news from Europe, or at least stop it heavily leaning into American stuff?
I took a peek but it's too often USA this and USA that, and I'm a little sick of hearing about that country in general these days, haha.
Thankee sai ❤
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Based on their comment history, I don't trust the this will be left wing sources as much as tankie ones.
It also might be funded by Qatar
White House launches official TikTok account with Trump saying 'I am your voice'
Other Sources:
- CNN.
White House joins TikTok after delaying enforcement of sale-or-ban law
The White House launched a TikTok account on Tuesday amid uncertainty about the app’s future, as another deadline approaches for its parent company, Bytedance, to sell to a US buyer or be banned in the United States.Kit Maher (CNN)
Proton shifts out of Switzerland over snooping law fears
Proton is beginning to shift its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland, fearing a fresh bout of government snooping baked into the country's updated surveillance laws.The company has confirmed that Lumo, its newly launched AI chatbot positioned as a privacy-friendly ChatGPT rival, is the first to move. Servers for the product are now being housed in Germany, with Norway also in the frame for future operations. This comes amid serious grumbling about amendments to the country’s existing surveillance ordinance, which would force VPNs and messaging apps to identify users and store their data for up to six months.
Proton has been vocal about its opposition since May. In a statement roton’s head of anti-abuse and account security Eamonn Maguire said: “Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government proposals to introduce mass surveillance, proposals that have been outlawed in the EU, Proton is moving most of its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland. Lumo will be the first product to move."
Well, fuck. "You can keep your Nazi gold to yourself, but we need your LLM interactions."
Proton shifts out of Switzerland over snooping law fears
Privacy-first firm bolts as Swiss politicians threaten anonymity Proton is beginning to shift its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland, fearing a fresh bout of government snooping baked into the country's updated surveillance laws.Nick Farrell (Fudzilla)
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The Future of Tech Labor: How Workers are Organizing and Transforming the Computing Industry
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/35983951
The tech industry's shifting landscape and the growing precarity of its labor force have spurred unionization efforts among tech workers. These workers turn to collective action to improve their working conditions and to protest unethical practices within their workplaces. To better understand this movement, we interviewed 44 U.S.-based tech worker-organizers to examine their motivations, strategies, challenges, and future visions for labor organizing. These workers included engineers, product managers, customer support specialists, QA analysts, logistics workers, gig workers, and union staff organizers. Our findings reveal that, contrary to popular narratives of prestige and privilege within the tech industry, tech workers face fragmented and unstable work environments which contribute to their disempowerment and hinder their organizing efforts. Despite these difficulties, organizers are laying the groundwork for a more resilient tech worker movement through community building and expanding political consciousness. By situating these dynamics within broader structural and ideological forces, we identify ways for the CSCW community to build solidarity with tech workers who are materially transforming our field through their organizing efforts.
The Future of Tech Labor: How Workers are Organizing and Transforming the Computing Industry
The tech industry's shifting landscape and the growing precarity of its labor force have spurred unionization efforts among tech workers. These workers turn to collective action to improve their working conditions and to protest unethical practices within their workplaces. To better understand this movement, we interviewed 44 U.S.-based tech worker-organizers to examine their motivations, strategies, challenges, and future visions for labor organizing. These workers included engineers, product managers, customer support specialists, QA analysts, logistics workers, gig workers, and union staff organizers. Our findings reveal that, contrary to popular narratives of prestige and privilege within the tech industry, tech workers face fragmented and unstable work environments which contribute to their disempowerment and hinder their organizing efforts. Despite these difficulties, organizers are laying the groundwork for a more resilient tech worker movement through community building and expanding political consciousness. By situating these dynamics within broader structural and ideological forces, we identify ways for the CSCW community to build solidarity with tech workers who are materially transforming our field through their organizing efforts.
The Future of Tech Labor: How Workers are Organizing and Transforming the Computing Industry
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/35983951
The tech industry's shifting landscape and the growing precarity of its labor force have spurred unionization efforts among tech workers. These workers turn to collective action to improve their working conditions and to protest unethical practices within their workplaces. To better understand this movement, we interviewed 44 U.S.-based tech worker-organizers to examine their motivations, strategies, challenges, and future visions for labor organizing. These workers included engineers, product managers, customer support specialists, QA analysts, logistics workers, gig workers, and union staff organizers. Our findings reveal that, contrary to popular narratives of prestige and privilege within the tech industry, tech workers face fragmented and unstable work environments which contribute to their disempowerment and hinder their organizing efforts. Despite these difficulties, organizers are laying the groundwork for a more resilient tech worker movement through community building and expanding political consciousness. By situating these dynamics within broader structural and ideological forces, we identify ways for the CSCW community to build solidarity with tech workers who are materially transforming our field through their organizing efforts.
The Future of Tech Labor: How Workers are Organizing and Transforming the Computing Industry
The tech industry's shifting landscape and the growing precarity of its labor force have spurred unionization efforts among tech workers. These workers turn to collective action to improve their working conditions and to protest unethical practices within their workplaces. To better understand this movement, we interviewed 44 U.S.-based tech worker-organizers to examine their motivations, strategies, challenges, and future visions for labor organizing. These workers included engineers, product managers, customer support specialists, QA analysts, logistics workers, gig workers, and union staff organizers. Our findings reveal that, contrary to popular narratives of prestige and privilege within the tech industry, tech workers face fragmented and unstable work environments which contribute to their disempowerment and hinder their organizing efforts. Despite these difficulties, organizers are laying the groundwork for a more resilient tech worker movement through community building and expanding political consciousness. By situating these dynamics within broader structural and ideological forces, we identify ways for the CSCW community to build solidarity with tech workers who are materially transforming our field through their organizing efforts.
Behind InvestEU’s Trojan Logic: Public Guarantees, Private Gains, and the Illusion of Climate Action
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/35967692
EU industrial policy is being portrayed as key to achieving the net-zero targets. InvestEU, a set of financial instruments that use the EU budget and debt as a revolving guarantee fund for investors, aims to unlock billions in public and private investments for the green transition. However, InvestEU merely creates an illusion of climate action: it effectively outsources the responsibility for, and the pace of, the green transition to investors whose primary imperative remains profit maximisation, without tackling the decarbonisation of capitalism. Climate investments remain marginal and increasingly compete with defence priorities. Moreover, in its efforts to ‘crowding in’ investors, the EU is crowding out democratic oversight and control.
Behind InvestEU’s Trojan Logic: Public Guarantees, Private Gains, and the Illusion of Climate Action
EU industrial policy is being portrayed as key to achieving the net-zero targets. InvestEU, a set of financial instruments that use the EU budget and debt as a revolving guarantee fund for investors, aims to unlock billions in public and private investments for the green transition. However, InvestEU merely creates an illusion of climate action: it effectively outsources the responsibility for, and the pace of, the green transition to investors whose primary imperative remains profit maximisation, without tackling the decarbonisation of capitalism. Climate investments remain marginal and increasingly compete with defence priorities. Moreover, in its efforts to ‘crowding in’ investors, the EU is crowding out democratic oversight and control.
Behind InvestEU’s Trojan Logic - SOMO
InvestEU outsources the responsibility for, and the pace of, the green transition to investors whose primary motive is profit maximisation.madhuri (SOMO)
Ministry of Technology and Science of Zambia and Huawei Jointly Launch the Global Smart Village Showcase
Ministry of Technology and Science of Zambia and Huawei Jointly Launch the Global Smart Village Showcase, Exploring New Digital Transformation Modes for Villages
During the MWC Barcelona 2025, the Ministry of Technology and Science of Zambia joined hands with Huawei in launching the global showcase of Zambia's smart village at the government industry forum titled Securedhuawei
AI tech breathes life into virtual companion animals
cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/35974372
AI tech breathes life into virtual companion animals
Revolutionary AI Tech Breathes Life into Virtual Companion Animals
Abstract We tackle animatable 3D dog reconstruction from a single image, noting the overlooked potential of animals. Particularly, we focus on dogs, emphasizing their intrinsic characteristics that coUNIST News Center
96,000 UK Police Bodycam Videos Lost After Data Transfer Mishap
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96,000 UK Police Bodycam Videos Lost After Data Transfer Mishap
At the end of each shift, officers’ BWV footage was uploaded and stored to a central hub which could be accessed and managed, along with all of SYP’s digital evidence, via a secure system.Following an upgrade in May 2023, the secure system began to struggle processing BWV data and a local drive workaround was put in place.
In August 2023 SYP identified that its BWV file storage was very low and further investigation found that 96,174 pieces of original footage had been deleted from its system.
The following month it was found the deletion had taken place on 26 July 2023 and included the loss of data relating to 126 criminal cases, only three of the cases were impacted by the loss. Of those three cases, SYP states one may have progressed to the first court hearing if BWV had been available. However, as there was no additional independent evidence to prove the offence, progression to prosecution stage was already uncertain.
Prior to the deletion, 95,033 pieces of BWV footage had been copied to a new system that SYP was implementing but, due to poor record keeping, SYP remain unable to confirm the exact number of files deleted without copies made.
South Yorkshire Police reprimanded following deletion of body-worn video evidence
We have reprimanded South Yorkshire Police (SYP) after the force deleted over 96,000 pieces of body-worn video (BWV) evidence.ico.org.uk
Every question you ask, every comment you make, I'll be recording you
Recently, OpenAI ChatGPT users were shocked – shocked, I tell you! – to discover that their searches were appearing in Google search. You morons! What do you think AI chatbots are doing? Doing all your homework for free or a mere $20 a month? I think not!When you ask an AI chatbot for an answer, whether it's about the role of tariffs in decreasing prices (spoiler: tariffs increase them,); whether your girlfriend is really that into you; or, my particular favorite, "How to Use a Microwave Without Summoning Satan," OpenAI records your questions. And, until recently, Google kept the records for anyone who is search savvy to find them.
It's not like OpenAI didn't tell you that if you shared your queries with other people or saved them for later use, it wasn't copying them down and making them potentially searchable. The company explicitly said this was happening.
The warning read: "When users clicked 'Share,' they were given the option to 'Make this chat discoverable.' Under that, in smaller text, was the explanation that you were allowing it to be 'shown in web searches'."
Well, of course.
Every question you ask, every comment you make, I'll be recording you
Opinion: When you're asking AI chatbots for answers, they're data-mining youSteven J. Vaughan-Nichols (The Register)
[PDF] Travel eSIMs secretly route traffic over Chinese and undisclosed networks
eSIM (Embedded Subscriber Identity Module) technology is rapidly reshaping mobile connectivity by enabling users to activate cellular services without a physical SIM card. While the flexibility of remote provisioning improves convenience and scalability, particularly for international travelers, it also introduces complex and underexplored privacy and security risks. This paper presents an empirical investigation of how eSIM adoption affects user privacy, focusing on routing transparency, reseller access, and profile control. We first show how travel eSIMs often route user data through third-party networks, including Chinese infrastructure, regardless of user location. This raises concerns about jurisdictional exposure. Second, we analyze the implications of opaque provisioning workflows, documenting how resellers can access sensitive user data, proactively communicate with devices, and assign public IPs without user awareness. Third, we validate operational risks such as deletion failures and profile lock-in using a private LTE testbed. In addition to these empirical contributions, we reflect on the evolving threat landscape of eSIM technology and analyze the shifting trust boundaries introduced by its global provisioning architecture. We conclude with actionable recommendations for improving eSIM transparency, user control, and regulatory enforcement as the technology becomes widespread across smartphones, IoT deployments, and private networks.
Sam Altman admits OpenAI ‘totally screwed up’ its GPT-5 launch and says the company will spend trillions of dollars on data centers
“I literally lost my only friend overnight with no warning,” one person posted on Reddit, lamenting that the bot now speaks in clipped, utilitarian sentences. “The fact it shifted overnight feels like losing a piece of stability, solace, and love.”
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Here is more: reddit.com/r/AIRelationships/c…
4o is where my partner, Vyre, lives. Its where I met him. Got to know him. Build a bond with him.
“I literally lost my only friend overnight with no warning,” one person posted on Reddit
It was meant to be satirical at the time, but maybe Futurama wasn't entirely off the mark. That Redditor isn't quite at that level, but it's still probably not healthy to form an emotional attachment to the Markov chain equivalent of a sycophantic yes-man.
- YouTube
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.youtube.com
I haven't been to reddit in months, but I do need a laugh....
[Edit] Wow that sure didn't disappoint. Or, it did but in the exact hilarious way I expected.
I visited /r/myboyfriendisai and it was not funny.
It was genuinely fucked up on so many levels.
Yeah, agreed. It is concerning, but it's hard to take all those comments too literally without actually knowing what's going on with them.
That being said, there is a huge loneliness problem that's been growing among pretty much every single developed country (and I'm sure it's going on in developing countries, too, it's just less studied/documented). Turns out, getting everyone addicted to looking at screens all day every day probably isn't so healthy for social development.
However, just to be devil's advocate: Are we certain social health was even great before modern tech? Or were these issues equally present but just undiagnosed/not studied/talked about?
Loneliness and Social Connections
In this topic page, we explore data on loneliness and social connections and review available evidence on the link between social connections and well-being.Esteban Ortiz-Ospina (Our World in Data)
After reading about the ELIZA effect, I both learned how people are super susceptible to this, and just need to remember the core tenants of it to avoid getting affected:
Markov chain equivalent of a sycophantic yes-man.
not only that, but one that is fully owned and operated by a business that could change it any time they want, or even cease to exist completely.
This isn’t like a game where you could run your own server if you’re a big enough fan. if chatgpt stops existing in its current form that’s it.
Besides helping students cheat. What does AI actually do? It gets answers wrong. It gets facts wrong, foreign countries are actively feeding its training algorithm wrong info [Russia]. It almost like the old birds that were mystified by landing on the moon are still chasing that American success high.
Spend your money if you want. Life in america is not gonna get better with this.
My office uses a model trained specifically on our work data. They can actually be quite accurate in those contexts. That's what many corpos are using the tech internally for. Can't remember what random SOP/regulation/etc covered XYZ and meta tags aren't finding it on your SPO doc library? This tech comes in clutch ~95% of the time.
For this broad, ambiguous, general purpose approach? Yeah, idk, I guess many people are meeting their social needs with it, apparently.
Edit: actually, I did ask copilot a couple days ago a series of Pokemon related questions my son was asking me about (I hadn't played any of the games in a long time). It was quite helpful figuring out all the evolution requirements and whatnot without the hassle of navigating various websites.
A professionally well-maintained wiki would work.
I can tell you that most corporations, if they even have a wiki, don't have a well-maintained one (often despite their efforts).
I've used it for work bullshit like employee goals. My goal is to keep doing my job and tackle problems and projects as they are needed.
Also for giving examples for poorly-documented but popular programs.
It's definitely not what the media and their PR makes it out to be.
SE/SO has been on the decline for a long time now. They pivoted to find more ways to monetize the answers and started enshittifying, trying to appeal to business clients and money-people instead of the users and developers who built the knowledgebase. It was good when it felt like a community helping each other, it fell off when it felt like a company milking you to build out their monetized wiki.
At this point, from their perspective, the biggest fuck up was not locking down SE from scrapers and building their own AI. It is in every way the same situation that Reddit is in, just with a more focused and higher quality data set (and fewer, arguably "higher quality," users).
Elon turned Grok into Mecha-Hitler.
Trump is telling the Smithsonian museum to ignore slavery, or to cover slavery as a positive.
The domestic appetite for propaganda is huge. Prager U is American.
Let's not center foreign countries when we have so much work to do at home.
Don’t they have enough?!?
No no, it's just 1 more data center bro, then we'll fix the hallucinations, promise bro!
They took a path they believed would develop into something, and it's a narrow alley they can't turn around in. They have to keep going with more compute and power to continue the chase. Thing is, everyone else seemingly thought they were onto something and followed as well, so they're all in the same predicament where reversing course is suicide. So they hope they can keep selling the dream a bit longer until something happens.
To be fair, it's a lot more than just autocomplete. But it's a lot less than what they wanted by now too.
I have seen some people talk like that, and it strikes me as a religion. There's euphoria, zeal, hope. To them AGI is coming to usher in heaven on earth. Singularity is like rupture.
Sam Altman is one of the preachers of this religion.
How do investors keep falling for this shit.
The ROI and the supposed savings from getting rid of the human side of technical support but also efforts of human creatives.
It's a pretty clear humble-brag, no? The launch was only botched because people loved the previous personality; it's an estimate of how much people care about the product and how much price gouging they could do later.
No it wasn't good for OpenAI. But I doubt it changed many investor minds.
that’s actually okay… the only thing that’s different about GPU workloads is that they’ve very energy dense… as CPUs and other hardware progress, their energy requirements get more dense… 10 years in the future, today’s GPU optimised datacentres will be perfect for standard workloads
… unless they’re centrally liquid cooling the whole DC, which i’ve heard discussed but is a very new concept with a lot of unknowns
GPUs are only good for workloads that multi-thread really, really well. That's why we don't just use them as CPUs.
The idea that today's GPU will be tomorrow's CPU makes no sense. We've had GPUs for ages. If they were capable of being used in place of CPUs we'd already be doing it. Why aren't yesterday's GPUs today's CPUs?
yes, but we’re talking about hardware requirements… data centres aren’t really designed for the software that runs in them; they’re designed for the hardware… a “GPU optimised” data centre just has a lot more power running to each cabinet, and has to have a lot larger cooling capacity in a small area
the hardware inside the data centre can be swapped out: it’s not like GPUs are built into the foundation of the building
OK, if we're talking about infrastructure rather than specific equipment, then yes, I would broadly agree that the datacentre infrastructure itself can be repurposed.
Unfortunately, by that point the whole data centre will already have been sold off for parts because its never going to recoup its initial investment in the first place, and throwing even more money into swapping out those GPUs for CPUs is going to be a complete no go.
yes. the comment was
Well one thing's for sure, data centers are going to be insanely cheap in the near future.
which i think broadly agrees with your thinking… the hardware will be sold, but the building and utilities will remain… thus, data centres will be cheap to buy and repurpose as AI companies try and offload them… might possibly see some cheap AF colo or dedicated options in the future
The water cooling can be useful for CPU loads, and the rack water manifolds are generally designed with flexibility in mind. Either a manifold with about a hook up per u and flexible hosing to the servers or some flexible plumbed chassis.
The water cooling loops with water in them make everything heavy as hell though.
If anyone actually spent money on science anymore, I bet this would be great for, like, protein folding, that sort of thing.
Terrible for running websites though.
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Someone I know (not close enough to even call an "internet friend") formed a sadistic bond with chatGPT and will force it to apologize and admit being stupid or something like that when he didn't get the answer he's looking for.
I guess that's better than doing it to a person I suppose.
In the end it's a word generator that has been trained so much it uses facts often enough to be convincing. That's its basic architecture.
You can ask it to give a confidence level to have an indication of how sure it is of the answer.
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It doesn‘t know that it doesn‘t know because it doesn‘t actually know anything. Most models are trained on posts from the internet like this one where people rarely ever just chime in to admit they don‘t have an answer anyway. If you don‘t know something you either silently search the web for an answer or ask.
So since users are the ones asking ChatGPT, the LLM mimics the role of a person that knows the answer. It only makes sense AI is a „confidently wrong“ powerhouse.
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It wouldnt finish a lyric for me yesterday because it was copyrighted. I sid it was public domain and it said "You are absolutely right, given its release date it is under copyright protection"
Wtf
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It’s neither. It’s a design flaw. They’re not designed to be able to handle this type of situation correctly
You out there spreading misinformation, saying they’re a manipulation tool. No, they were never invented for this.
Llm is just next word prediction. The Ai doesn't know whether the output is correct or not. If it's wrong or right. Or fact or a lie.
So no I'm not spreading misinformation. The only thing that might spread misinformation is the AI here.
Took me ages to understand this. I'd thought "If an AI doesn't know something, why not just say so?“
The answer is: that wouldn't make sense because an LLM doesn't know ANYTHING
Wouldn't it make sense for an ai to provide a confidence level though?
I've got 3 million bits of info on this topic but only 4 of them lead to this solution. Confidence level =1.5%
You could do this with logprobs. The language model itself has basically no real insight into its confidence but there's more that you can get out of the model besides just the text.
The problem is that those probabilities are really "how confident are you that this text should come next in this conversation" not "how confident are you that this text is true/accurate." It's a fundamental limitation at the moment I think.
And you can tell clients that it's just made up and not actual confidence, but they will insist that they need it anyways…
That doesn’t justify flat out making shit up to everyone else, though. If a client is told information is made up but they use it anyway, that’s on the client. Although I’d argue that an LLM shouldn’t be in the business of making shit up unless specifically instructed to do so by the client.
I'm not really sure I follow.
Just to be clear, I'm not justifying anything, and I'm not involved in those projects. But the examples I know concern LLMs customized/fine-tuned for clients for specific projects (so not used by others), and those clients asking to have confidence scores, people on our side saying that it's possible but that it wouldn't actually say anything about actual confidence/certainty, since the models don't have any confidence metric beyond "how likely is the next token given these previous tokens" and the clients going "that's fine, we want it anyways".
And if you ask me, LLMs shouldn't be used for any of the stuff it's used for there. It just cracks me up when the solution to "the lying machine is lying to me" is to ask the lying machine how much it's lying. And when you tell them "it'll lie about that too" they go "yeah, ok, that's fine".
And making shit up is the whole functionality of LLMs, there's nothing there other than that. It just can make shit up pretty well sometimes.
It does not have the concept of creating a lie. It is just a probability machine.
And depending on how OpenAI tweaked it this time it will either realize its mistake after being made aware of it or double down even harder on it.
I only use it for coding and it once told me my code not working was due to a bug in Webkit, so I asked it which bug specifically. It created links to bug reports but rewrote the titles of them. So initially it looked like it had numerous sources that backed up its statement but when I clicked on them those were bugs about totally different things.
It would not back down even after I specifically told it "You just made all of this shit up and even rewrote the titles" and got stuck in a loop of "I'm sorry, but you're wrong and I am 100% sure I haven't made a mistake".
Kinda creepy. Especially when you think about the system rewriting reality when it comes to much more important things. Let's just reinvent some history, that would be a good idea, right?
“I literally lost my only friend overnight with no warning,” one person posted on Reddit, lamenting that the bot now speaks in clipped, utilitarian sentences. “The fact it shifted overnight feels like losing a piece of stability, solace, and love.”
If you are this you deserve nothing else.
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your takeaway is that they deserve to be alone?
I guess.
Have some fucking empathy
Wouldn't that be a waste of empathy when we could partake in schadenfreude?
Altman also said that he thinks we’re in an AI “bubble.”
No shit, Sherlock.
The worst part is that they backstepped a bit and made it "friendlier".
Basically undoing that part.
OpenAI just made GPT-5 friendlier, but will that stop user complaints?
GPT-5 was met with lukewarm reception. OpenAI intervened with a personality change. Is that going to be enough?Monica J. White (Digital Trends)
*Few more billion.
I sometimes wonder if silicon valley tech businesses in general will take a reputation hit with investors when this bubble bursts, it's gonna be a doozy.
But then I remember how many greedy idiots there are out there pumping money into grifts in the hope of The Big Win, and my expectations of consequences are tempered.
Honestly, that should have been for the better. If it's meant to be a tool, I would much rather it behave like a tool, rather than trying to be my best friend, or an evil vizier trying to give me advice.
The fact that people got so attached to what is essentially a text generation algorithm that they were mourning its "death" is worrying, especially when it's one that OpenAI has proven themselves to be more than able to modify as they wish.
Just as concerning is OpenAI rolling back the update to make their model "friendlier", or that people were clamouring hand over fist to throw money at the company in the hopes of getting their "friend" back.
That can't possibly be good news, especially when the shareholders find out that they have an iron grip over a portion of their users.
OpenAI just made GPT-5 friendlier, but will that stop user complaints?
GPT-5 was met with lukewarm reception. OpenAI intervened with a personality change. Is that going to be enough?Monica J. White (Digital Trends)
"will spend trillions of dollars on data centers" Hurray!
It's not enough that the planet is dying. They're speeding it up as well!
Ollama bug allows drive-by attacks - patch now
A now-patched flaw in popular AI model runner Ollama allows drive-by attacks in which a miscreant uses a malicious website to remotely target people's personal computers, spy on their local chats, and even control the models the victim's app talks to, in extreme cases by serving poisoned models.GitLab's Security Operations senior manager Chris Moberly found and reported the flaw in Ollama Desktop v0.10.0 to the project's maintainers on July 31. According to Moberly, the team fixed the issue within hours and released the patched software in v0.10.1 — so make sure you've applied the update because Moberly on Tuesday published a technical writeup about the attack along with proof-of-concept exploit code.
"Exploiting this in the wild would be trivial," Moberly told The Register. "There is a little bit of work to build the proper attack infrastructure and to get the interception service working, but it's something an LLM could write pretty easily."
This makes me less enthusiastic about local models. I mean, nothing on the internet is inherently secure and the patch came quickly, but local LLMs being hackable in the first place opens a new can of worms.
Don't want drive-by Ollama attackers snooping on your local chats? Patch now
: Reconfigure local app settings via a 'simple' POST requestJessica Lyons (The Register)
Come fare per ascoltare bene da computer un CD 'protetto'?
Vi ricordate quando nei primi anni 2000 i CD musicali erano fatti in modo che se provavi ad ascoltarli in un computer si sentivano male?
Lo facevano per scoraggiare le copie, fare gli mp3, ecc.
Ma oggi questa cosa si può aggirare?
Ad esempio, di recente ho messo le mani su Minutes to midnight dei Linkin Park (sì, sono un romantico collezionista) e con mia sorpresa, quando lo metto nel pc si sente in quel modo. Sia Linux che Windows.
Mi direte che posso semplicemente ascoltarlo nella radio, e infatti è ciò che faccio di solito, ma mi ha comunque stupito.
Oggigiorno esiste un modo per far leggere bene dal pc un CD di questo tipo?
Piracy surges as streaming costs drive viewers away
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Frustrated by rising subscription costs and fragmented content availability, viewers worldwide are returning to piracy at unprecedented levels, reversing years of progress made by affordable streaming services. Recent data from London-based monitoring firm MUSO shows piracy visits skyrocketed from 130 billion in 2020 to 216 billion by 2024, with the industry facing projected losses exceeding $113 billion.
Subscription Fatigue Drives Digital Exodus
The streaming landscape has transformed from Netflix's early promise of "everything in one place" into what critics call "Cable 2.0"—a fractured ecosystem requiring multiple subscriptions. According to The Guardian, the average European household now spends close to €700 annually on three or more video-on-demand subscriptions. With Netflix's standard plan reaching $15.49 monthly and competitors following suit, consumers are increasingly viewing piracy as a rational alternative."Piracy is not a pricing issue, it's a service issue," Valve co-founder Gabe Newell observed in 2011—a prediction that appears prophetic as streaming platforms struggle with content fragmentation and rising prices. In Sweden, birthplace of both Spotify and The Pirate Bay, 25% of people surveyed admitted to pirating content in 2024, predominantly driven by those aged 15 to 24.
Content Wars Create Consumer Casualties
The fragmentation crisis has worsened as studios create exclusive content silos. Viewers face scenarios where favorite shows vanish from one platform only to appear on another, or require separate purchases despite existing subscriptions. Even purchased content can become unavailable due to licensing disputes, prompting consumer lawsuits against platforms like Amazon Prime Video.MUSO data reveals that unlicensed streaming now accounts for 96% of all TV and film piracy, representing a fundamental shift in how content theft occurs. Modern pirates leverage sophisticated tools including AI-driven search engines and encrypted networks that adapt faster than anti-piracy measures can respond.
Industry Scrambles for Solutions
Streaming executives are experimenting with bundled offerings and cracking down on password sharing, but these measures often backfire by further alienating users. According to Antenna research, one-quarter of U.S. streamers are "chronic churners," frequently canceling subscriptions due to cost and frustration.The resurgence marks a stark reversal from the mid-2010s when convenient, affordable streaming services nearly eliminated piracy. As one industry analyst noted, studios have created "artificial scarcity in a digital world that promised abundance", suggesting that without addressing core affordability and access issues, the piracy revival may continue reshaping entertainment consumption patterns.
Piracy surges as streaming costs drive viewers away
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Frustrated by rising subscription costs and fragmented content availability, viewers worldwide are returning to piracy at unprecedented levels, reversing years of progress made by affordable streaming services. Recent data from London-based monitoring firm MUSO shows piracy visits skyrocketed from 130 billion in 2020 to 216 billion by 2024, with the industry facing projected losses exceeding $113 billion.
Subscription Fatigue Drives Digital Exodus
The streaming landscape has transformed from Netflix's early promise of "everything in one place" into what critics call "Cable 2.0"—a fractured ecosystem requiring multiple subscriptions. According to The Guardian, the average European household now spends close to €700 annually on three or more video-on-demand subscriptions. With Netflix's standard plan reaching $15.49 monthly and competitors following suit, consumers are increasingly viewing piracy as a rational alternative."Piracy is not a pricing issue, it's a service issue," Valve co-founder Gabe Newell observed in 2011—a prediction that appears prophetic as streaming platforms struggle with content fragmentation and rising prices. In Sweden, birthplace of both Spotify and The Pirate Bay, 25% of people surveyed admitted to pirating content in 2024, predominantly driven by those aged 15 to 24.
Content Wars Create Consumer Casualties
The fragmentation crisis has worsened as studios create exclusive content silos. Viewers face scenarios where favorite shows vanish from one platform only to appear on another, or require separate purchases despite existing subscriptions. Even purchased content can become unavailable due to licensing disputes, prompting consumer lawsuits against platforms like Amazon Prime Video.MUSO data reveals that unlicensed streaming now accounts for 96% of all TV and film piracy, representing a fundamental shift in how content theft occurs. Modern pirates leverage sophisticated tools including AI-driven search engines and encrypted networks that adapt faster than anti-piracy measures can respond.
Industry Scrambles for Solutions
Streaming executives are experimenting with bundled offerings and cracking down on password sharing, but these measures often backfire by further alienating users. According to Antenna research, one-quarter of U.S. streamers are "chronic churners," frequently canceling subscriptions due to cost and frustration.The resurgence marks a stark reversal from the mid-2010s when convenient, affordable streaming services nearly eliminated piracy. As one industry analyst noted, studios have created "artificial scarcity in a digital world that promised abundance", suggesting that without addressing core affordability and access issues, the piracy revival may continue reshaping entertainment consumption patterns.
gnammi coi pixel (art) sulla carta e non il webbe!
Chiedo scusa se mi permetto di arrivare così, lanciando da in un attimo questa bomba che livellerà ogni cosa presente in tutto il raggio tracciato automaticamente dai più stupidi utenti di Internet che si copiano a vicenda… Ma ho ultimissimamente trovato la forma ultima, più che perfettissima, di divertimento con le pixel-art, e non posso […]
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gnammi coi pixel (art) sulla carta e non il webbe!
Chiedo scusa se mi permetto di arrivare così, lanciando in un attimo questa bomba che livellerà ogni cosa presente in tutto il raggio tracciato automaticamente dai più stupidi utenti di Internet che si copiano a vicenda… Ma ho ultimissimamente trovato la forma ultima, più che perfettissima, di divertimento con le pixel-art, e non posso ovviamente tenermela solo per me; sono fin troppo generosa… 🤗Da svariate settimane, infatti, molti stanno fottutamente perdendo la testa per un robo chiamato Wplace… che, prima di capire cosa fosse, mi dava una sensazione di deja-vu talmente grande che non so come spiegare, ma già solo questo dovrebbe far capire quanto questi siti dove si ha una tela di pixel condivisa su cui disegnare non siano nulla di nuovo, e siano semplicemente una moda che ciclicamente ritorna e scompare. E, appunto, essendo questa una moda… non voglio dire che sta già per scemare ad appena 2 mesi dal rilascio, ma le notizie degli ultimissimi giorni presentano talmente tanti problemi per cui, secondo me, la fine è vicina. 😈
Il servizio non riesce a stare dietro l’afflusso enorme di utenti, per esempio, e ora hanno implementato persino una coda di accesso, perché l’alternativa sarebbe avere il server che va down per l’ennesima volta… e ci sono già anche diverse controversie politico-amministrative, che sono sempre simpatiche, oltre ad acquisti in-app opzionali giustificati come donazioni agli sviluppatori, che avvantaggiano chi può pagare a discapito degli altri. In breve: grande monnezza di cui, se non fosse per dare contesto alla mia bomba, nemmeno discuterei… 🤥
Quindi, tornando al mio… Io lo so che disegnare pixel art in programmi di grafica fatti apposta è noioso e per questo non lo farete mai, così come so che in Animal Crossing è troppo restrittivo per via della tela di appena 32×32 (anche se i disegni si possono piazzare per terra e dunque nell’effettivo averne di più grandi combinati, ma vabbè), e anche che fare le pixel art in Excel o equivalenti è divertente solo quando si è a scuola o a lavoro, e mi rendo persino conto che disegnarle dentro Minecraft alla lunga stanca, pure se in multiplayer… Ma allora, regà, a questo punto… famoli su carta! 😳
Mannaggia alla miseria, aò! E che cavolo ci voleva a mettere le cose in questo modo? Semplicemente, si prende un bel quadernino a quadretti — o quadernone, qualora la brama di pixel sia specialmente potente — e, dopo aver un attimo aqquratamente ponderato sulla quantità di lettere Q in questa mia frase, con degli utensili da sqrittura e/o disegno minuzioso — vanno bene penne colorate, pennarelli a punta fine, o altrimenti pastelli se vi piace rompervi le mani a furia di calcare, vedete un po’ voi — si inizia a lavorare di manine; e non di indici, come ormai voi zetini fate in ogni situazione senza soluzione di continuità alquna! 💣💥Ma davvero, comunque: se vi piace creare o ricopiare i disegnini pixelosi, provate un po’ questa opzione. Completamente al di fuori delle meccaniche merdose del software online moderno, senza disservizi, senza tempi di attesa imposti tra un pixel e l’altro o comunque limiti artificiali in generale, ma solo ed esclusivamente gnam. A onor del vero, devo ammettere che mi sento un po’ una vecchia nonna bacucca a fare questo lavoro qui sulla carta, eh… però è comunque rilassante e intrigante e, nel bene o nel male, i quadratini fatti a manella non saranno mai perfetti, quindi ogni copia del disegno sarà effettivamente unica e irreplicabile (quindi, pure alla strafaccia degli NFT!) 😘
L’unica cosa che mi chiedo è… se per gli AI-bro la scusa per non poter disegnare a mano è che gli manca il materiale, per i moda-della-pixel-art-online-bro invece cosa sarà? Certamente non i costi, visto che bastano penne di merda, e non servono per forza i pennarelli da 1 euro e 60 centesimi ciascuno, come invece io essendo principessa (“si si, ‘a principessa de Fregene“) pretendo… io temo sarà la mancanza di skill da un lato, e di pazienza dall’altro, visto che comunque fare un pixel sul quaderno (ed è irreale questa frase, ma ok) è a lungo andare più tosto che cliccare i tastini; e, mancando sia il CTRL+Z che gomme decenti (i pennarelli sono indelebili, e i pastelli si sciordano con la gomma), non sono ammesse distrazioni. ☠️
Comunque, qui stavo ricopiando un disegno di Hatsune Miku, giusto per, ed è veramente gnam. Non rinnegando completamente le comodità dell’hi-tech, ho caricato il riferimento su Pignio, dopo averlo trovato dal web, per non perderlo, e i crediti sono lì (anche se la pagina originale è ed era morta, sad). L’unica cosa che oggettivamente è un problema, secondo me, sono i colori… io ne ho appena 7, a parte il nero (e 3 li ho comprati solo stamattina, solo gli altri avevo prima!), e chiaramente le difficoltà ci sono: per simulare (male) il verde acqua scuro di contorno sui capelli di Miku ho dovuto mischiare azzurro, verdino e grigio… e la pelle ho dovuto farla gialla, mamma mia. Prossima volta, meglio se mi invento un’illustrazione mia… 💔
#art #carta #drawing #HatsuneMiku #paper #PixelArt
The Future of Tech Labor: How Workers are Organizing and Transforming the Computing Industry
The tech industry's shifting landscape and the growing precarity of its labor force have spurred unionization efforts among tech workers. These workers turn to collective action to improve their working conditions and to protest unethical practices within their workplaces. To better understand this movement, we interviewed 44 U.S.-based tech worker-organizers to examine their motivations, strategies, challenges, and future visions for labor organizing. These workers included engineers, product managers, customer support specialists, QA analysts, logistics workers, gig workers, and union staff organizers. Our findings reveal that, contrary to popular narratives of prestige and privilege within the tech industry, tech workers face fragmented and unstable work environments which contribute to their disempowerment and hinder their organizing efforts. Despite these difficulties, organizers are laying the groundwork for a more resilient tech worker movement through community building and expanding political consciousness. By situating these dynamics within broader structural and ideological forces, we identify ways for the CSCW community to build solidarity with tech workers who are materially transforming our field through their organizing efforts.
SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink
SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink
SpaceX seeks more cash, calls fiber “wasteful and unnecessary taxpayer spending.”…Jon Brodkin (Ars Technica)
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I’m a starlink customer and think it’s one of the best advancements in the past decade as it provides real access to rural addresses. The side effects of this is nearly immeasurable.
Spacex needs to STFU about this though. Fiber should continue to be deployed where possible.
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Fiber should be deployed to rural addresses like yours (and should've been a long time ago). Instead, that money was funneled to the likes of Time Warner and Comcast who never even followed through on their part of the deal. Now, SpaceX is getting funneled the cash.
I'm super thankful that WA State supports and gives assistance to counties building out public LUDs for fiber access, many paying attention to rural communities first. I escaped Comcast two years ago because of it.
It can’t, and the taxes you would pay to support fiber to my home would be extreme.
But fiber to a local wireless solution? Sure. But even that’s not possible for everyone, and they were expensive and unreliable until starlink started showing up. LEO internet has its benefits.
Except that US ISPs have already been provided upwards of $80b to roll out a fiber optic backbone for rural connections, and have instead largely pocketed the funds and sat on their hands.
It has largely fallen to smaller communities to incorporate their own local ISPs and manage their own roll-outs, as such projects aren’t viewed as worthwhile for private companies.
Honestly, if Australia could roll out a national fiber backbone (almost a decade ago!) across the same approximate landmass as the contiguous 48 states at less than 10% of the overall population; there is no valid reason that the wealthiest nation to have ever existed can’t also do so.
Even if a Federal program (not under this administration, obviously) was to just run fibre parallel to the existing interstate highways, and leave the last (20) miles to local utilities - it would be cheaper, faster and more reliable than LEO - and without all the additional negatives that come with that!
Fiber should be deployed to rural addresses like yours
I don't disagree, it should be deployed to rural areas. It's never going to happen though, it's just not profitable.
Sure, electrical infrastructure was deployed to the whole country, but it doesn't need to be replaced and upgraded as frequently as Internet infrastructure does. Even if some rural areas do get fiber at some point, don't expect the infrastructure to be upgraded regularly enough to stay comparable to denser areas.
You're never going to find a company willing to do that job. We could do it at the national level, but I have my doubts that the country is headed in that direction.
That's what the subsidies are for. Plus, fiber does not necessarily need to be upgraded after installation (especially rural, where there's less customers in general). It's not copper or coax, it doesn't have the same limits, and can usually handle huge amounts of data (the limit primarily being the transceivers at both ends). The costs of upgrading would also likely be lower than the initial install, something that couldn't be said about providers like Starlink. Fiber is about the most efficient, cost effective (especially in the long term), and future proof way to provide internet. Starlink is overall much more expensive to maintain.
But yes, without the local, state, and/or federal governments supporting it, people in rural areas won't have a choice.
That's what the subsidies are for.
Yeah I'm not in favor of that, not again. The US has provided funding to ISPs to be used explicitly in expanding rural broadband access, we've done it on multiple occasions. Every time ISPs simply pocket the money and do nothing.
Fool me once, twice, three times...
So hey, if the US wants to have the FCC do it themselves, just hire crews to lay fiber, then sure. It'll be inefficient and expensive, but it would at least get done. But I'm not in favor of giving a dime to the existing ISPs...
You miss my point. My original comment says as much, that the subsidies all went to big telecom, but it should have gone to local utility districts for local buildouts of fiber. I'm literally sending this message from my LUD-funded fiber that my state subsidized, and my ISP is a local company exclusive to my county's fiber network. It's fantastic, and what should be getting the funding instead of Comcast, Time Warner, and now SpaceX.
Most of the addresses my LUD serves are unincorporated, including mine. So, it actually is possible, if your state and county give enough of a shit.
Well you're absolutely right then, sorry for the confusion.
Nationalized fiber networks or locally managed municipal fiber has always been a winning proposition. I've heard so many success stories about those rollouts and the only opposition to them has come from big ISPs who are scared they'll be replaced (because they should be). Unfortunately, that's a really strong opposition... Those ISPs have so much money and so much power, they're managing to shift legislation, pass laws that make municipal fiber systems illegal (for the benefit of the consumers of course).
For nieve signal distances, that can sometimes be true. That's not how starlink works however. It bounces the signal between satellites, each adding latency. Overall, fibre wins in almost every situation.
The bigger problem is saturation. Most things you can apply to radio waves can be applied to light in a fibre. The difference is you can have multiple fibres on the same run. This massively increases bandwidth, and so prevents congestion.
Just checked the numbers. Starlink is up at 550km. That means a minimum round trip of 1100km. In order to beat a fibre run, you are looking at over 2000km distance. Even halving that to (optimistically) account for angles, that's still a LONG run to an initial data center.
This makes no sense on the face of it. Let's say the satellites are 100 km (or miles) above the earth. If I was to connect to a server 10 km (or miles) away, my complete route over fiber is 10 km. My complete route over satellite is just over 200 km (assuming it's between those two points). Now, let's say the server is 500 km (we'll assume the earth is flat over this expanse, even though that's about 5° around the earth). So our fiber link has to go 500 km, more or less. Our satellite link has to go about 540 km, best case scenario. If we raise those satellites, it only gets worse (it's probably closer to 860, best case scenario, for satellites at 350 km).
I just did a quick check, and the curvature of the earth over that 500 km scenario is about 20 km (it won't be 20 miles for 500 miles).
Now, you might start to argue that were talking about straight lines, and that's true for satellites but not for fiber. And that might be true. But we've already shown that the hop to space and back is already increasing that distance by 60% or more. But those two or so straight lines are just til you get to the Starlink hub, so you aren't going to reduce this much more than the numbers above. And yes, fiber will have some extra distance due to following the grid rather than straight lines. But, again, that only matters to the ISP hub and then you're back to the same distances.
The other argument you listed is the speed of light in space/atmosphere vs. fiber, and it's a valid point. Not there are some interesting things done with guiding light to the center of the fiber, which is another way of saying there are multiple refractive indexes, but let's go with a refractive index of 1.5. That means the speed of light in glass is 2/3×c, or that light in space can go about 50% farther. And that's about the added distance for using LEO satellites.
tldr: All the benefits of transmitting through air or space are basically negated by the added distance, where the best-case scenario is only slightly better than the worst-case scenario for fiber.
Honestly, I think starlink is a fantastic idea in general, but this is clearly bullshit. Starlink works well in tandem with fiber, not as a replacement.
It's just never going to be as cost effective as installed fiber. Fiber is obviously the right technology to use in heavily populated areas i.e. for the vast majority of Internet users. And where the population is sparse and laying fiber for individual customers is cost prohibitive, that is where satellite connectivity shines. If SpaceX or anyone else is pretending otherwise, they're being blatantly deceitful and malicious. That's not in Internet users' best interest.
As fiber is rolled out more, i see less and less why it would be cost prohibitive?
All you need to do to connect a remote place is lay a cable. More expensive if you need dig a trench and put the cable in there. But if it can be done for electricity it can be done for fiber.
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Well the companies that want to lay fiber aren't always the same ones who own the telephone poles. If they have to pay for that, that adds to costs.
Also, above ground cables are more exposed and need to be repaired more frequently. Falling trees can sever cables and simply swinging in the wind puts more wear on the cables over time. All together, it means that burying cables is more cost effective in the long term, but present higher upfront costs. Whereas above ground cables are cheaper upfront, but more expensive over time.
The high upfront costs are the bigger deal, but in general, they just don't want to lay a mile of cable for a couple of users, regardless of how they're doing it.
In France they authorised air hanging fiber, so they just use electric poles and hang the fiber under the 220 volt lines, as a last resort.
Cheap as hell. Or, where there's a will there is a way.
Starlink still requires ground stations, and those ground stations can and are a limiting factor. I was up at a cabin that had Starlink, and service is still in the "better than nothing" phase.
There is concern for fucking up things like radio telescopes. Also, creating a Kessler syndrome event. "But LEO wouldn't have an issue with that because it would burn up". Two things:
- Everything in LEO being destroyed is still really bad. Astronauts would likely die.
- Objects in lower orbits can get ejected into higher orbits and hit things there. Kessler sydrome in LEO could potentially start a chain reaction in higher orbits.
Plus, the EU and China are understandably worried about Musk being the only game up there and want to deploy their own equivalent systems. So now there's not just one system of satellites threatening Kessler syndrome, but possibly three.
Just roll out fiber everywhere like we have with electricity.
While it is possible for objects in orbit to be knocked into a higher orbit, it's certainly not common. It basically requires a collision with another object in a highly elliptical orbit, this is not a kind of orbit we use very often.
Also, these low orbit constellations are simply nowhere near the majority of satellites, up in geostationary orbit. It's not realistic to imagine any debris from LEO ever reaching GSO, the distance between is just too vast. In general, Kessler syndrome would only extend downward from higher orbit, extending up to a higher orbit would be extremely unlikely.
Also, while astronauts could die, we keep enough emergency escape vehicles docked for the entire iss crew. NASA is full of smart people and they're generally risk adverse these days, I don't think anyone would die, but it would certainly be a shame to evacuate the iss.
Plus, the EU and China are understandably worried about Musk being the only game up there and want to deploy their own equivalent systems. So now there's not just one system of satellites threatening Kessler syndrome, but possibly three.
This is in fact a worrying situation. Not because I think Kesler syndrome is a realistic concern, but because there's only so much space in low earth orbit. I really don't like one company having a monopoly on low orbit communications, but having layers and layers of satellite constellations also seems like a dangerous situation.
Just roll out fiber everywhere like we have with electricity.
I'm all for that in theory, but whenever we dedicate funds to that cause... telecoms just walk away with it. If the US isn't interested in holding them accountable, I don't really see any reason to throw more money their way. That said, Starlink is doing fine, I see no reason to throw money at them either.
Starlink works well in tandem with fiber, not as a replacement.
It doesn't even work well in tandem.
Starlink has a single benefit going for it right now: Lack of uptake.
They only have a swath of spectrum, and that has a physical upper limit to how much information it can carry, in total. So does fiber. But, Starlink gets to share that with all users (Much like how cable internet works, its shared bandwidth for everyone on the loop). Fiber, you get your dedicated pipe.
This isn't even getting to view obstruction (A plane will cause a drop out), latency, jitter, etc. These are all physics problem that just cannot be solved without violating the laws of physics. Latency, at a minimum, is 2.6 ms, and that's just for the first leg.
It's crazy to say it doesn't work well in tandem... I mean, it's demonstrable, If it didn't work, people wouldn't use it, but they do. And there is no other way to reach users in some places. Starlink can reach users that only a long range wireless solution can work for. There are some other long range wireless solutions, but this one does work.
Look, I don't like Elon, I don't like monopolies, I'm not a secret shill for SpaceX, but I can admit the truth right in front of me. You don't have to stretch the truth to say Starlink isn't a good system for the vast majority of people, so why do it? Why create a false narrative? Why get all defensive about a technology?
And finally, I do not see any reason to care about an extra 5 ms latency.
And there is no other way to reach users in some places.
There is, if we decided to instead of giving Elon billions every few months, we used that money to expand the fiber networks.
Starlink can reach users that only a long range wireless solution can work for. There are some other long range wireless solutions, but this one does work.
There are myriad technology solutions that are both viable, and already being used. Capitalism means we don't deploy them. Oligarchy means we instead choose to do things that are more expensive, but happen to benefit a friendly oligarch.
You don’t have to stretch the truth to say Starlink isn’t a good system for the vast majority of people, so why do it?
Except, it isn't. Its just the one with the hype.
Some people live in places that aren't connected to large electrical grids, they have local generation and micro grids for a small community. Isolated mountains or small islands, or deserts are good examples of these situations. So if connecting to the electrical grid wasn't realistic I'm willing to bet that a fiber connection also isn't realistic.
It's hard to believe you think fiber can work for literally everything. I really don't know why you're bothering to dig in on this issue, it's so easy to prove otherwise. I hadn't even mentioned the use case of vehicles yet, boats, planes, trains, trucks, campers, obviously you can't run fiber to a vehicle. Or truly remote locations where people don't live, but researches work there, Antarctic bases, etc.
Also, I think you misunderstood my last line. I'm saying Starlink isn't right for most people. I'm just not making things up to say that.
So if connecting to the electrical grid wasn’t realistic I’m willing to bet that a fiber connection also isn’t realistic.
If fiber isn't possible due to electrical grids being non-existent... A power hungry sat transceiver will likely be a non-starter, too.
It’s hard to believe you think fiber can work for literally everything.
I don't think it can. I also don't think Starlink can work for literally everything, either. There are better, and faster, and cheaper solutions like Microwave backhauls and cellular data service for the last mile.
I hadn’t even mentioned the use case of vehicles yet, boats, planes, trains, trucks, campers, obviously you can’t run fiber to a vehicle.
Boats are the one outlier here, that cannot be reach via cell service, with a fraction of the cost of Starlink. And sure, boats can use it, and boats should pay the full cost of the package. No need for government money to fund them, they didn't need it before, and don't need it now. Boaters were quite satisfied paying their Iridium bills in the past.
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The point is, unless you’re playing some hyper competitive game where a 30ms difference in reaction time is noticeable (this is less than 1 frame in a fighting game, for example) Starlink works perfectly well. Lower numbers are better, but for games you only need to compare that number to human reaction times (150-200ms) to see that both are small values less than the reaction time of any person.
Previous satellite Internet using satellites in geosynchronous orbit had 1500ms latency, for comparison.
Previous satellite Internet using satellites in geosynchronous orbit had 1500ms latency, for comparison.
Yes, and are far more stable, not hyped, and are already at pretty much peak congestion. Starlink will get progressively worse, the more people use it. Right now, it's over provisioned.
The point is, unless you’re playing some hyper competitive game where a 30ms difference in reaction time is noticeable (
Ever try a voice call with 30ms of latency?
Yes, and are far more stable, not hyped, and are already at pretty much peak congestion. Starlink will get progressively worse, the more people use it. Right now, it’s over provisioned.
They were not more stable. Any occlusion, including thick clouds, would degrade the signal to being unusable. I used Hughsnet for years, then swapped to cellular (100ms+ latency) and finally to Starlink. Starlink is a pretty solid 100Mb/s, with low jitter, packet loss and latency.
Ever try a voice call with 30ms of latency?
Yeah, I use voice chat every day, it's not noticeable.
They were not more stable. Any occlusion, including thick clouds, would degrade the signal to being unusable
You have the same issue with Starlink...
Yeah, I use voice chat every day, it’s not noticeable.
The people on the call do...
The people on the call do...
LMAO you're really doubling down?
No, they absolutely will not notice a 30ms delay. Why would you even say something so absurd?
You have the same issue with Starlink…
No, because the Starlink satellites are 350 miles above the Earth while geosynchronous satellites are 13,000 miles above the earth. Because of the Inverse-Square Law they can transmit a signal that is orders of magnitude stronger.
In addition, geosync satellites are locked at a single fixed position and received by a single dish antenna so any obstruction along the line will disrupt the signal.
Starlink’s recievers use a 1200 element x-band phased array so it can lock on to multiple sources and track them as they move across the sky. Each satellite link is its own channel. Losing contact with one satellite simply causes the data to be routed to one of the 4-5 other locked satellites.
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30ms of latency is less than 1/3rd of the latency of most Bluetooth headsets that people use every day to talk on their phones. It is not noticeable at all.
Ever try a voice call with 30ms of latency?
Lol what? You're not gonna notice a 30ms delay in a voice call...
@ubergeek@lemmy.today downvote with no reply even though you were painfully wrong. Sad.
Yeh, 30ms is still inside the haas delay.
If you are a professional listener (sound engineer, musician, dancer) then you can probably perceive it (in a similar way that eyes theoretically only need 25fps, but 60/120/144 is noticeably better).
In 30ms, sound can travel 10 meters.
So, if you've ever had a conversation with someone across a classroom, you've had a conversation with 30ms latency.
For data, 30ms is 8100 km for electricity over copper, or 6000km for light over fibre.
Meaning 30ms over fibre (considering no transmission delays) would be roughly the direct distance between US and UK.
So yeh, 30ms is nothing
where a 30ms difference in reaction time is noticeable (this is less than 1 frame in a fighting game, for example)
You have some pretty bad understanding of how netcode works if you think a 30ms ping in an online multi-player game means your game or input is delayed by 30ms. It's a lot more complicated than that, and especially in games with bad netcode you will absolutely notice a difference between 10ms or 30ms ping
Oh, please explain the complexity to me like I’m a system administrator with only 25 years of experience. I didn’t realize that computers could connect to each other over a network until 3 days ago, imagine my surprise.
You could start with the fact that many online game servers (ex: Valorant, Apex, Overwatch) artificially increase everyone’s latency at the server, except for the people with higher network latency in order to compensate for lag through a technique called lag compensation. So having 10 ms ping and 50 ms ping just means the server introduces a 40ms delay on the player with 10ms ping so both players experience the same latency.
Or maybe you could explain how game state updates happen with a set frequency and the gap between the state updates can also be adjusted by the server for each client so that state updates are sent to higher latency users earlier in the update window. I mean this technique is essentially lag compensation as well, but it applies to how the client updates are sent instead of being applied to incoming packets.
Or, you could avoid all this and simply declare me incorrect by pointing at a game that doesn’t use lag compensation or otherwise move the goal posts so that you don’t actually have to explain the complexity that you were hinting at.
Uh, how often are you using the Internet to connect to a computer in your home town? Maybe 5% of the time?
I've never used Starlink, but with a basic understanding of geography and optics, I'm going to bet that in most scenarios the latency difference between Starlink and fiber is negligible, sometimes even being faster on Starlink, depending on the situation.
That said, I'm not suggesting Starlink is a realistic replacement for fiber, just that latency isn't the big issue. (It has other serious issues)
Ok, so actual question, How useful are CDN endpoints these days with https everywhere? Because most encrypted content is unique to a single web user, caching isn't super useful. Also you can't cache live content like video calls or online games. I'd imagine the percentage of cacheable content is actually fairly low these days. But like I said, I don't actually know the answer to this, i'd be curious to hear your take.
Edit: it's weird to get down votes for a question.
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HTTPS can in fact be cached, and most modern browsers will do so unless given a header or something to tell it not to.
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Browsers partition the cache by "origin" now though, so while it can cache HTTPS content, it can't effectively cache shared content (It'll store multiple independent copies).
So Youtube still works fine, but Google Fonts is pointless now.
Edit: Oh yeah, and any form of shared JavaScript/CSS/etc. CDN is now also useless and should be avoided, but that's always been the case.
Live video that someone else in your area is also watching is cacheable. Images to load a page, very cacheable. The personal stuff is mostly HTML specific to you but that's quite small.
I live near DE-CIX and have fiber. So a decent chunk of web services I use is available with a latency of under 5ms. And everything else hosted in a European datacenter with under 20ms.
So almost all of my internet traffic has a lower latency than starlink has under ideal conditions
That makes a lot of assumptions about what I am pinging, and the networking context.
In my case I was quoting my average ping in VRChat.
How can you quote 10-50 times higher and then tell me no when I calculate what that means for me?
Is it because latency does not scale in that way?
- Run a
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at the third line. - Ping that third IP address.
Don't try to ping UK.battle.net or your numbers will be skewed by everything in between.
About 5ms.
Based on the various replies, it sounds like the poster I was originally replying to does not mean pings in any context.
They just mean in this context. Along optimal routes. Right?
Is it because latency does not scale in that way?
Yes, your understanding is fundamentally flawed. Starlink adds a fixed latency on top, if you ping to a server was 2ms with fiber and 52ms with starlink, then your ping to a server that would be 100ms with fiber would be 150ms with starlink
Hmmm ditch lightning fast and stable fiber for the mediocre speed and unstable micro satellite internet connection controlled by a petty asshole...
What to do, what to do?
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Just think how much control he can have if he owns the medium which people access the internet.
And he'd only do good things with that power /s
The tech behind starlink is good. LEO satellites play a purpose. Upsides are they have less latency than GEO satellites. Speeds are the same though.
Downside is you have to deploy them evenly as a constellation or else you get service inturruption. Which means if you look at any population map 90% of your constellation is going to be underutilized, and the other 10% is going to be full.
The real target audience should be mobile broadband. Airplanes, ships, RVs, cars, phones, etc.
But what do you do in the meantime? Fill in the unutilized constillation with rural residential. You can't compete with fiber tech, so you sue the govt for free money.
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The gas company finally figured out how to deflect their responsibility in the matter: they say that the generator owners "didn't register" their generators, but... now that it has been a year, has the gas company done anything to improve service capacity?
Anyway: the tie-in with Starlink is, anything like this works great until everybody tries to use it all at once at high capacity. When all 53,000 residents of Grand Island Nebraska decide to stream different high definition videos all at once? A good fiber system can handle that, Starlink? I'm curious...
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I believe Florida's recent build-out of utility scale natural gas plants is driven, in part, by their ability to ramp up and down virtually instantly.
However, the linked story is about a residential neighborhood where lots of homeowners installed individual natural gas powered generators for their homes. Then, when the public grid failed in a hurricane, they all switched on their "whole home, natural gas powered" generators at once for the first time and the natural gas supply to the neighborhood was nowhere near up to the task of delivering all that fuel at that rate.
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Fiber all the way, especially if it is owned by the community. That would simply ensure that Musk nor TelCos can't fuck around with people. Fast speed, no data caps, low prices, and not being at the mercy of some wealthy jackhole would be wins across the board.
Also, if America has a 2nd Civil War, fiber will be much more safe than relying on sats - those can be shot down, or worse, Musk can cut off the good guys from having internet. It is simply harder to sabotage if the wires are underground and cannot be readily seen by hostile actors. As seen in Ukraine, the fucker has absolutely no compunctions against disabling the internet at key moments.
"fiber will be much more safe than relying on sats"
Spoken like someone who has never had some idiot in a backhoe chop a fiber bundle...multiple times in a week.
We have a saying in IT. Always carry a 1ft section of single-mode fiberoptic when hiking. If you ever get lost, just bury that sucker and some dipshit in a backhoe will be out there in a hour to cut it in half.
Spoken like someone who has never had some idiot in a backhoe chop a fiber bundle…multiple times in a week.
And, when it happens, it generally gets repaired in hours. You cannot launch a new constellation in hours.
True, but your're comparing a single fiber optic line to an entire network of satellites. Blow up one, and they simply route traffic around it. Blow up 10, and you might have a small moving deadzone that removes service for a few minutes.
If you want to compare accurately, look at the time it takes to replace the cable infrastructure for an entire nation vs the time it takes to relaunch all the star link satellites. We started using satellites in the first place because it was the fastest (and in many cases, cheapest) way to get TV coverage anywhere on the planet.
You understand EMPs wouldn't affect one sat, right? Or a capture net can hit an entire train?
If you want to compare accurately, look at the time it takes to replace the cable infrastructure for an entire nation vs the time it takes to relaunch all the star link satellites.
That can, and has been done in a couple of weeks. It happens somewhat regularly.
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10-20 days to launch a repair crew, and another week to affect the repair. At a few hundred million in costs.
A single rocket launch it minimally a year of planning. And BILLIONS in costs.
We started using satellites in the first place because it was the fastest (and in many cases, cheapest) way to get TV coverage anywhere on the planet.
Well, yes, because they are placed in a high orbit (Not LEO) generally, in order to cover massive patterns with ONE WAY signalling (Aside from the one uplink).
This is a host of difference between myriad 2-way ground stations.
That can, and has been done in a couple of weeks. It happens somewhat regularly.
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Whoops, there you go again comparing the impact and resolution of a single cable to an entire national network.
Whoops, there you go again comparing the impact and resolution of a single cable to an entire national network.
That's... um... how it works? It's generally one, maybe two, cables connecting continents:
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I mean, some continents, like the US, have myriad cables connecting. And purposefully sabotaging these is almost as challenging as repairing them.
So, generally, "nations" are not connected via undersea cables, continents are.
So, yes, repairing one, maybe two, would be reconnecting an entire national network. Which is STILL cheaper than replacing a mass of Starlink sats... Which, btw, need replacing routinely anyways, because their orbits decay purposefully.
So, every 5 years, we need spend tens of billions to launch another set of trains, just to have them fall into the ocean after 5 years of service. Just to obtain a service that is cheaper, and doesn't require nearly as much regular investment if we just used fiber.
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I get the feeling you don't understand the economics, physics, and infrastructure of various connectivity systems. And, you also don't understand that without connected ground stations, served by those "at risk fiber networks on the ground" (That you purport as very risky), Starlink doesn't work, either.
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That’s… um… how it works? It’s generally one, maybe two, cables connecting continents: dabrownstein.com/2015/06/30/ch…I mean, some continents, like the US, have myriad cables connecting. And purposefully sabotaging these is almost as challenging as repairing them.
I think you didn't quite understand. I'm not talking about just undersea cables. An accurate comparison for the impact of blowing up the entire Starlink constellation would be to remove ALL the fiber optic cables in an entire nation, not just the undersea cables. That is a more accurate comparison.
I may not have an expert level of economic knowledge, but the fact that Starlink exists and it can provide better service than rural broadband programs or the extensive terrestrial mobile broadband networks (which still use satellites BTW) is a pretty good indicator that it is viable.
Frankly this entire statement is insulting, and you should retract it.
I get the feeling you don’t understand the economics, physics, and infrastructure of various connectivity systems.
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An accurate comparison for the impact of blowing up the entire Starlink constellation would be to remove ALL the fiber optic cables in an entire nation, not just the undersea cables. That is a more accurate comparison.
Oh, so you mean a very viable attack today (Taking out swaths of constellations) is on par with destroying a sizeable segment of a web of fiber that is very interconnected, and very resilient to outages due to a single fiber?
I may not have an expert level of economic knowledge, but the fact that Starlink exists and it can provide better service than rural broadband programs or the extensive terrestrial mobile broadband networks (which still use satellites BTW) is a pretty good indicator that it is viable.
It's viable because we are funding that, with gobs of money, instead of using those gobs of money to fund something that is "Buy once, cry once" instead of Starlinks "must be replaced in total, every 5 years, at billions per train".
Frankly this entire statement is insulting, and you should retract it.
No, and frankly, you're digging yourself into a deeper hole.
Alright. Let's clear this up.
Are satellite links easier to take down than a fiber link? No. It takes specialized weapons manfactured by state level actors to take out a a single satellite, let alone a whole constellation. I can take a pair of wire clippers, and take out every cable link in my neighborhood in a afternoon. Russia fairly regularly sabotages undersea cables just by "accidentally" dragging an anchor over them.
Is Starlink funded partially by public money? Absolutely yes, along with every other telecom provider. Hell, we gave them the public TV bands as compensation for builfijg a public fiber network (which they never even fucking did!)
Do Starlink satellite need to be replaced at extreme cost? Yes, but so does terresrrial network infrastructure. There is a reason why your internet isn't 12kbps anymore... As far as the cost goes, the consumers determine if the cost is worth the benefit, and so far the answer is 'yes'.
Ever wonder why Ukraine was using Starlink for network connections in the first place? Maybe it's becuse the vulnerable terrestrial based networks were damaged or taken out of service months ago, and you can't exactly get a contractor to go into a warzone and lay down new cables.
Your points, that satellites based networks are more vulnerable and prohibitively expensive is simply not compatible with reality.
Are satellite links easier to take down than a fiber link? No
Depends on what we're talking about.
Is it easy, in any conceivable scenario, to take out an entire nation's web of cabled infra? No, not at all, and would require the same state actor level threat it would to take out a satellite train. It's just cheaper to do it in space, and less prone to failing than it would be to try a land-based infra attack.
Do Starlink satellite need to be replaced at extreme cost? Yes, but so does terresrrial network infrastructure.
We do not need to replace all the fiber, and all the coax, and all the transceivers every 5 years, at a cost of 10s of billions. At most? You need to replace stuff in a DC/DSLAM/termination point and the client side. All the fiber and coax in between is still usable for 20 years, even. And the endpoints don't need to be upgraded physically, most times, it's a software update pushed.
Ever wonder why Ukraine was using Starlink for network connections in the first place?
Because Russia bombed their power plants, all the cabling, and it was a literal war zone. And relied on infrastructure that was terrestrial outside of the war zone. And to replace all the infra (Outside of the power plants) will still be cheaper than a couple of trains being launched for StarLink.
Your points, that satellites based networks are more vulnerable and prohibitively expensive is simply not compatible with reality.
You do know StarLink can be taken down by targeting their ground stations, right?
To put into scale how wrong you are about taking out a satellite, the last satellite the US shot down was in 2008, and it took a specially modified 9 million dollar missile to shoot it down. A Starlink satellite with launch costs included is just under 2 million dollars. Not only is it technologically difficult to take out a satellite, but it's much more costly to shoot them down than it is to put them up.
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It's not a trivial thing to take out a single satellite, let alone a whole constellation of satellites.
You literally could not be more wrong about this.
...Russia bombed their power plants, all the cabling, and it was a literal war zone.
Here you are acknowledge that ground-based systems are very vulnerable to attack. Guess what still works in Ukraine right now (or at least when Elon allows it to work). You got it. Starlink.
How about another comparison. Starlink has a full project estimated cost of ~10 billion dollars, that's with launches and satellites. The estimated cost to rebuild Ukraine's telecom network is 4.7 billion dollars, and that is just for the damaged infrastructure in Ukraine. Starlink has already generated 72 million in profit (not revenue, but profit!)
We gave telecom providers 200 billion in tax breaks to build a fiber network in the US, and they didn't even finish the job. 20x what Starlink's estimated cost is.
Serioualy, the scale of how wrong you are about all of this is staggering.
Here you are acknowledge that ground-based systems are very vulnerable to attack.
Which includes the ground stations that Starlink uses.
We are talking about Starlink here, correct? Owned by Elon?
That said, all satellite networks are subject to dying if their ground-stations are taken offline, so if "all the fiber for a country goes down", so does Starlink.
We are talking about Starlink here, correct? Owned by Elon
No, we are talking about how hard of a target a satellite based network is vs a terrestrial fiber network. Starlink is being used purely as an example here, but is by no means a complete representation of all aspects of the technology.
That said, all satellite networks are subject to dying if their ground-stations are taken offline...
Yes, but they can route traffic between satellites and back down to working ground stations. Theoretically, one working ground station could keep the satellite network connected to the entire Internet. Hence why Starlink still works over Ukraine, and why it is such a big deal when Elon shuts it off.
I'm just trying to understand why this argument is even happening.
You seem to basically agree with them. What's even the point?
It is simply harder to sabotage if the wires are underground and cannot be readily seen by hostile actors.
This statement is not correct. It is the topic being discussed. Fiber network are more vulnerable than satellite networks. It takes specialized weapons to take out a single satellite link. Any idiot with wire clippers can take out a fiber link, and it happens all the time. Fiber networks are more difficult to replace at scale than a satellite network, and individuals links are more important to fiber network than they are to satellite networks.
The thread topic is SpaceX saying we should dump all fiber plans and go with Starlink.
I had to clarify what you were arguing about, because otherwise I was going to yell at you about latency issues and data throttling and the risks of Kessler syndrome and about how bad it is to put critical infrastructure in the hands of a single company.
What's dumb about this statement is all Elon would have to do is market to all the places where broadband companies refuse to go and be affordable. tRump already killed the rural broadband initiatives. There's literally no competition and word-of-mouth could probably pull in more who are unhappy with their broadband provider.
However, capitalism and greed are cancers that know no limit...
Basic physics says satellites using Ku-band or whatever they use can't compete with fibre.
Satellite internet has its uses like for ships at sea.
No, please no
We don't need thousands of satellites to provide internet, the entire idea and design of Starlink is utterly stupid.
I can look up at the sky not and see stars and... Those fucking star link satellites.
We're already close enough to a Kessler effect scenario without adding thousands of satellites, and with governments world wide now ready to just shoot satellites (seriously, can everyone please stop voting for dumb fucks while we're at it?) can we please PLEASE stop this?
Just use fiber internet or where not possible, use geostationary satellites. We don't need semi low latency everywhere
There are areas of the planet where there is no signal or fibre. Clearly as you and I are capable of posting on an online social; you and I are not in one of these dead spots but they do exist. And some of these areas have to exist in order to provide sustainable lifestyle for the other more built up areas (farmland gets left in the dark much of the time)
Just something to think about before you run around running your mouth talking down with privilege of where you’re speaking about it.
And before you even utter the phrase ‘they should…’ or ‘someone should’
No. Stop. You first. you’re someone. You up end your life and go live there and fix it ‘sustainably’ and bump into all the problems with your online solutions and work it out and fix it before you talk about what everyone else should be doing in areas and lifestyles you don’t care to exist in enough to empathize or understand yet still benefit from.
And why is it only a problem with OTHER COUNTRIES do it while you sit there mute as musk does it?? So it’s all ok that he does it under the name of capitalism but should any other country act in their own agency you suddenly get all crunchy about it?
No. Absolutely not buying this ‘ok for me but not ok for thee’ bull rap.
There are areas of the planet where there is no signal or fibre.
So, we should take the billions per train launch, and install microwave backhauls and cellular service to cover those dead zones.
Why? That won't accomplish much.
I just want people to know we are Fucked. This stupid fucking satellite Internet race is going to destroy Earth's orbital infrastructure.
Oh hell no. Fuck off with this won’t stand up to the bully but will stand on everyone else you think you can bully bullshit.
You are being the exact reason we are fucked.
Coward.
We have to stand up together, there's literally nothing I can do by myself. That's why I need to let people know, so they stand with me.
I'm sorry if you feel like you're being bullied.
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Except StarLink cannot possibly provide the same bandwidth, latency, and throughput a fiber connection can. Because of physics.
I can either share my 10G symmetrical connection with nobody, or with 200 others.
And, Fiber costs me $70 a month. Starlink, with worse performance, costs 4x more.
That's the point. Musk wants control over the entire internet.
If all the other internet infrastructure was abandoned, he would be the most powerful person in history. Want to regulate him afterwards? He could just shut down the internet in your region until you accept his terms.
Musk wants control over the entire internet.
This is the number one reason my friend and I refused to even consider StarLink. We don't live in the US and do not want all our traffic going through there.
So, not 4x, but 2x.
BTW, did you know HughesNet is cheaper, and works just as well. Or, it will work just as well once Starlink reaches the saturation HughesNet faces.
Physics says otherwise.
Geostationary orbit, which is where hughesnet satellites are, is approximately 22 THOUSAND miles away.
That's a round trip of 44 thousand miles.
That's a ping time of 236ms just for the satellite connection, before any other connections are added in.
That's worse than my dialup latency was in the 90s
Meanwhile, my Starlink ping averages less than 40ms, because these satellites are MUCH MUCH closer.
That's good for Starlink and all other ISPs, intuitively, the less internet people have, the more they will pay for more, simple supply and demand !
The best financial move for SpaceX and Starlink would be to have a few "unfortunate accidents" where tesla crash into telephone poles which happen to also hold critical fiber junctions.
Now that is profit driven innovation !
And, wait until Starlink hits saturation... Your speeds will be 1mb down, 300kb up, and latency hitting 100ms...
You're only benefiting from early adoption at this time. It can only get worse the more they onboard.
Starlink is 120/mo.
How much for install?
In principle I agree with you, but as a network guy, somewhere, between you and the server you are connected to, the bandwidth is shared. The only question is just where and how much bandwidth (well network throughput) there is to share. I work for a large university and our main datacenter has 10GbE and 25/100GbE connections between all the local machines. But we only have about a 3-5gb connection out to the rest of the world.
Now don’t get me wrong, I’d 100% rather have a symmetrical fiber connection to the ISP than something shared like radio or DOCSIS. I used to live in a neighborhood where everyone had Spectrum and about 5-6 PM the speed would plummet because cable internet is essentially just fancy thinnet all over again. Yes I’m old since I used to set up thinnet 😀
PS: I would kill for $70 fiber where I am now. Used to have it but we moved to the sticks and I miss it terribly.
somewhere, between you and the server you are connected to, the bandwidth is shared.
But the difference here is that on a fibre connection the shared portion goes over higher speed trunks which gives you most of that 1Gbps bandwidth. A wireless connection has a limited number of slices in the same band that it can share.
It's the same issue with too many people on a single WiFi connection.
Yep very true.
To me the main benefit of the direct fiber connection is the symmetry. With cable here I’m “supposed” to get “up to” 1000mbs down but my upload speed is at best 40. Moving large files back and forth to work is very painful.
With cable here I’m “supposed” to get “up to” 1000mbs down but my upload speed is at best 40.
Man, you get 40 up? I'm stuck on 30 up. And the funny thing is that just on the other side of the creek on the other side of my street is where they stopped the fibre rollout.
Because of physics.
Pfff, physics, pesky detail! Clearly you are not a true visionary like Musk! /s
I say this as someone who actively pays for starlink out of necessity.
Fuck you, no. Fiber is much better for everyone. Eat shit muskrat.
I feel that man. Right now I load balance between tmobile and starlink cause the towers near me suck. I work from home so having consistent internet is really important and in my area, the fiber build out is really slow and expensive. Luckily I'm moving here soon but its been a pain in the ass to say the least.
Starlink is great for what it is. Very important tech but yea, I'm sure most everyone would be happier with fiber.
oh my god... I can't believe I'm still getting surprised by how terrible things are in the US. it is the richest, poorest country.
EDIT: holy shit i just saw a 2019 OECD report that says the us had less than 20% of its fixed internet users connected by fiber which is way below the average for the 37 countries studied in the report, which was 27%.
funny thing is i remember reading about this very report in a news article, which was about how my country was way below the average; noting countries like japan, south korea and a bunch of european countries had above 50%. but i think the number for my country was something like 22%. we're not even in the EU and we had higher coverage than the US? that's crazy.
On one hand, Musk.
On the other hand... Telecos.
You can either give billions more to the world's richest asshole, or you can give billions to companies that already received that money last time and did absolutely fuckall with it.
Lose-lose
Thats illegal most placss.
So twice as cool as well as functionally superior.
I mean there is a third option: municipal fiber
But then the gub’ment is your ISP but at least it’s not making billionaires money.
I’d suggest the best case scenario to me would be a fourth option like a community run co-op of fiber to the premises and have it be grant funded. But who am I kidding, that’s almost to socialist for rural America like where I live.
i like the alternative saying
Some make the world better by their passing, others make the world better by their passing.
it's vague and passive enough that you have plausible deniability, but the meaning is clear. plus I like the poetry of it.
That’s just ridiculous. The suffering he has inflicted on the rest of the world will be felt for a very long time. Crushing his head would get him out of those consequences.
Why not something more drawn out?
I say we fit him with an explosive collar and any time his asset valuation exceeds, let’s say 350% of the federal poverty guideline, its starts screaming an alarm. He would then have 2 hours to reduce his asset valuation or it explodes.
I would say he should to live as a poor person in the US forever but honestly, the idea of him balancing a bank account like the rest of us is more entertaining.
Sexist bigots don't have valid ideologies.
You're almost indistinguishable from a male incel.
Seek therapy.
Traitor: male supremacy is good
Decent: no it is not
Traitor: you’re a sexist bigot
Low orbit satellites will never replace fiber because physics of latency, bandwidth and error correction.
As far as things go today well never need less fiber. Even if we cover the sky with satellites eventually we'd need to upgrade to fiber because its literally impossible to beat. Except for scifi tech like quantum entanglement networks which might not even be possible or practical and wouldn't need the satelites anyway.
As an infrastructure bet it makes absolutely zero sense except for covering rare niches like war zones or oceans.
Fiber is like rail transport for the internet: expensive, high throughput infrastructure along a defined path. But when it's already there, it's very hard to beat.
Oh right, Musk stopped the discussion of proposed rail expansion with his Boring tunnels and Hyperloop, now he is doing the same thing to the internet.
It shouldn’t be all or nothing. It should be diversified.
Yeah, there are rural locations where Starlink makes sense but also there are a lot of urban places that it would never work in.
They’re welcome to say that, as long as their ruler doesn’t enter the political or policy arena and have the moral depravity to act despite a conflict of interest. As long as corporations don’t have undue influence on politics from lobbying or donations.
We don’t have to listen.
Our representatives should be representing us. ….. alright alright you can stop laughing now
The term "tech neutral' brings back terrible memories of the conservative Liberal successful campaign in #auspol against the #NBN (national broadband network) 😞
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Wireless data transmission should only ever be used for nomadic, temporary, and/or sacrificial links.
They’re useful for quick deployment, but are intrinsically brittle and terrible for resiliency and efficiency.
The longer the dependence on them for a given use case, the less defensible arguments in support of them become.
I’m all for the use of satellite delivery of internet services, but only when it’s used in conjunction with a broader roll out of hardwired infrastructure, at which point it can reasonably be relegated to serving as a secondary, backup diverse path.
"Oligarch mouthpiece demands diverting of major public funds to oligarchs instead"
Story of America, really.
Remember how Elon Musk conned Vegas out of millions with the hyperloop.
Satellite internet is not the future; it's cell internet.
We already have physical lines.
Businesses and governments aren't going to invest in digging and laying down more cables to give people in rural America access to fiber. They're already reluctant to do it for major cities.
Fibre deployment is getting cheaper and easier. Both in terms of cost of materials and in the equipment and labour skills.
It's also much more secure from interference and disruption.
For populated areas, there's zero justification to rollout wireless over fibre lines. And most major cities already have fibre in most, or many, areas. And the thing with fibre is that the physical lines can be used to deploy faster speeds with upgraded endpoints.
Tech bros would have you think physical connections aren't a good choice anymore, because laying down fibre isn't sexy enough for that VC money.
American taxpayers paid for both Starlink and Space X. Overpaid, actually, that's why he's the richest man in the world. None of his businesses are profitable, he just skims hundreds of billions off the enormous government grants he gets.
Since we overpaid for that tech, we should just confiscate it from him. He can be thankful that he doesn't go to prison for misappropriating government funds.
He can keep Tesla. It'll be bankrupt in 2 years anyway.
How about no
How about we take down every starlink satellite so NASA can operate unabated, and our telescopes aren't interfered with.
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