/e/ OS does a little trolling and sends all your Text to Voice data to OpenAI for processing and Speech generation.
First of all, to anyone downvoting my Comments about /e/ being a piece of shit, because...
- they advertise themselves as degoogled, but instead let you connect to Google/Microsoft/etc services
- replace all the propriatery not at all Secure Services from Google, with.... Drumroll please.... Propriatery and not at all Secure Services from themselves and actively encourage it.
- They are For-profit
- and being MORE out of date then even Fairphones stock roms.
... I told you so. Dm your Instance admin, pay them to send the DB entries of your Downvotes on a Thumb drive (or anything else from SSD to 3.5 inchHDD, depending on your preferences), and shove it up your rectum.
But a TL;DR:
/E/ is not Private. They just switch one bad comany to another one.
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
reality — an open, secure, de-Googled system is not open, not secure, and not a de-Googled system!? This is just a new anøm disguised as open source./e/OS community
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Australian ban on fish-shaped plastic soy sauce dispensers a world first
They have been a familiar sight at takeaway sushi shops around the world for decades but it could be the beginning of the end for fish-shaped soy sauce dispensers.
South Australia will be the first place in the world to ban them under a wider ban on single-use plastics that comes into force on 1 September.
Under South Australia’s new law, only pre-filled soy sauce containers with a lid, cap or stopper and containing less than 30ml of soy sauce will be banned. Plastic sachets will be allowed but the government hopes bulk bottles or dispensers will be used in sushi shops instead.
The South Australian environment minister, Dr Susan Close, said each plastic fish container was used for just seconds but “their small size means they’re easily dropped, blown away, or washed into drains, making them a frequent component of beach and street litter”.
Australian ban on fish-shaped plastic soy sauce dispensers a world first
South Australian law on single-use plastic packaging coming into force on 1 September will ban polyethylene containers known as shoyu-tai in JapanEelemarni Close-Brown (The Guardian)
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- calling not using small fish shaped plastic soy sauce containers a sacrifice is exaggerating to say the least
- some billionaire was making money selling these, so it will cause inconvenience for them
Chinese Pudu robots found open to hijacking
Researcher who found McDonald's free-food hack turns her attention to Chinese restaurant robots
: The controls were left wide open on Pudu's robotsIain Thomson (The Register)
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McDonald's not lovin' it when hacker exposes rotten security
McDonald's not lovin' it when hacker exposes nuggets of rotten security
: Burger slinger gets a McRibbing, reacts by firing staffer who helpedIain Thomson (The Register)
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That makes sense. But maybe there is something else... Hollywood exaggerated what could be done too soon.
Take the classic 1995 films The Net and Hackers. (I love hackers now in a bittersweet way because of just how sincerely positive they felt towards the future and the future of the internet. Genuinely believing that it will forever be a place of a freedom and ruled by wild west cowboy hackers who will not only do things out of curiosity, but also never sell out. To be fair, they were going by The Hacker Manifesto ).
In The Net, you have a terminally online cybersec specialist (a female cybersec specialist, and terminally online... in the mid-90s. The former is believable, the latter is not... there just wasn't THAT much to do online at the time) who gets her life torn apart when people erase her very existence using the internet. They state that 'everything is online now' meaning everything can be accessed and destroyed, thus rendering her a non-person with no records of who she because they purged all databases of her records.
In Hackers, you have somewhat the same thing play out... but it was done as a gag and clearly undone later. There is a US Secret Service agent causing the protagonists some trouble, so they make trouble for him by creating online dating profiles with his name and contacts (and putting extreme fetishes he does not have, thus having him be called by all manner of weirdos), cancelling his credit cards, and the funniest part: They have him declared legally dead somehow. All of this is undone of course, and the whole sequence played for laughs, but it greatly exaggerated what was and what wasn't online at the time.
One thing that absolutely COULD have happened that I didn't think was possible was in the 4th Die Hard movie, Live Free or Die Hard... in the movie the bad guys hack a city's traffic lights and make them all green all the time, thus causing numerous traffic accidents. I rolled my eyes when I saw and said 'nah, that can't happen'... only for me to read later that not only could such a thing happen, but it could happen in the stupidest way possible. Some hacker managed to find a clear-net website of some town that had their traffic light control on... and it was 100% unsecure. Meaning anyone with the URL could have just gone on and caused a lot of damage. The person who discovered it, thankfully, did not. But the fact that it COULD have happened was astonishing to me.
Now you have so much shit going on it isn't funny. I can't keep track of all the major hacks that just keep happening. From the Tea hack, to Las Vegas being compromised, to all sorts o shit. It is just incredible.
I have serious doubts about the traffic light thing, any even remotely well designed systems would have interlinks that don't allow green from multiple directions.
Shutting them down or changing the sequencing, sure, but not multiple greens at once.
Brain implants that read minds: a medical miracle raises new ethical questions
Brain implants that read minds: a medical miracle raises new ethical questions
For the first time, researchers have succeeded in translating silent thoughts in real time using a brain implant coupled with artificial intelligence. This technology promises to offer a new form of communication to paralysed people.Pauline ROUQUETTE (FRANCE 24)
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Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
A flotilla carrying humanitarian aid and activists, including Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, is due to leave from Barcelona on Sunday to try to “break the illegal siege of Gaza”, organisers said.
The vessels will set off from the Spanish port city to “open a humanitarian corridor and end the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people”, said the Global Sumud Flotilla.
They did not say how many ships would set sail or the exact time of departure. The flotilla is expected to arrive at the war-ravaged coastal enclave in mid-September.
“This will be the largest solidarity mission in history, with more people and more boats than all previous attempts combined,” Brazilian activist Thiago Ávila told journalists in Barcelona last week.
Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
Unspecified number of vessels due to depart Barcelona on Sunday, with dozens more expected to leave other Mediterranean ports on 4 SeptemberGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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She’s a true hero, risking her life for the cause not once but now for a second time!
She really puts her words into action.
Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
A flotilla carrying humanitarian aid and activists, including Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, is due to leave from Barcelona on Sunday to try to “break the illegal siege of Gaza”, organisers said.
The vessels will set off from the Spanish port city to “open a humanitarian corridor and end the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people”, said the Global Sumud Flotilla.
They did not say how many ships would set sail or the exact time of departure. The flotilla is expected to arrive at the war-ravaged coastal enclave in mid-September.
“This will be the largest solidarity mission in history, with more people and more boats than all previous attempts combined,” Brazilian activist Thiago Ávila told journalists in Barcelona last week.
Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
Unspecified number of vessels due to depart Barcelona on Sunday, with dozens more expected to leave other Mediterranean ports on 4 SeptemberGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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How to set permissions for flatpak vscodium?
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What kind of issues did/do you encounter?
The VS Code/Codium essentially provide a separate development environment within the flatpak container. All the tools there, and the shell are separate from your actual system. There are some ways to work around this (github.com/flathub/com.vscodiu…). I gave up on the Flatpak and installed a native package. Containers are nice, but they have their limitations.
com.vscodium.codium/README.md at master · flathub/com.vscodium.codium
Contribute to flathub/com.vscodium.codium development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
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Let's be honest, if Microsoft failed Linux Phones will fail
It's inevitable....you people are going to have your Android given the iPhone treatment and you are going to LIKE IT! 🫨
Seriously though, alternatives? Grapheneos Mastodon page is a dumpster fire at times. One minute they are as ferocious as lions claiming they will never surrender.....the next they are lamenting that Google won't feed them and they need a new hardware supplier
CalyxOS folded quicker than a wet paper bag at a simple management shift! GrapheneOS and it's days are numbered
So what's the real option going forward?
A phone is a surveillance device.
The networks it is able to connect to have been compromised by attackers using backdoors built into them for the use of law enforcement. The legality of collecting information transmitted across those networks has been enshrined in law. All hardware and software companies which work with phones are targeted for infiltration by multiple foreign and domestic intelligence agencies. Friendly nations exchange intelligence packages and techniques for bypassing phone security with each other as a matter of fact. Foreign intelligence services’ surveillance technology is integrated into local law enforcement.
You cannot privately or securely use a phone.
Adblocking is not privacy or security.
Playing Super Nintendo on your phone is not privacy or security.
No amount of open source software will save you from the global intelligence state who have targeted the linux kernel and various distributions.
You cannot privately or securely use a phone.
This is probably true of most devices, but people can still try to improve their security and privacy. Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good and so on...
It was a certain mod that took issue with it, idt it was really a site wide rule or particularly stringently enforced
Actual site wide stuff gets communicated by carcosa
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Remember, remember, the 4th of December,
The hostile takeover, the corporate scheme.
I know of no reason, the share-selling treason,
Should ever be forgot.
Luigi, Luigi, 'twas his intent,
To bring the boardroom's reign to an end.
With a Nintendo blaster, bright and so blue,
To show all the suits what a plumber can do.
Neural Privacy: EFF interviews Yuste and Genser of the Neurorights Foundation
"How to Fix the Internet" has an important interview with neuroscientist Rafael Yuste and human rights lawyer Jared Genser, who together established the Neurorights Foundation, focused on expanding human rights concepts to neurotechnologies —tools that can record, interpret, and even manipulate brain activity.
They have contributed to getting laws passed nearly unanimously in three states of the USA and also discuss reforms in Brazil and Chile. This is an important issue to understand, and now seems like a short-lived opportunity to get laws passed before wealthy companies become involved in these technologies and start lobbying for their own interests.
eff.org/deeplinks/2025/08/podc…
Podcast Episode: Protecting Privacy in Your Brain
The human brain might be the grandest computer of all, but in this episode, we talk to two experts who confirm that the ability for tech to decipher thoughts, and perhaps even manipulate them, isn't just around the corner – it's already here.Electronic Frontier Foundation
German cabinet passes bill for voluntary military service
The bill foresees certain annual recruitment targets for the new voluntary scheme: rising from 20,000 in 2026 to 38,000 in 2030.If these numbers are not achieved, the government could opt instead to reinstate conscription, subject to parliamentary approval, according to the latest draft of the bill.
Already the current bill contains some mandatory elements, with all young men required to fill an online questionnaire regarding their willingness and abilities for military service after turning 18, to gain a better overview of the potentially available personnel.
Yo yo! Help me choose some better private services!
Yo yo!
I’ve been working on making my life more private and need some assistance picking suitable replacement options. Please let me know what you think of my list of if there are any opportunities for improvement! Here’s where I’m at …
Apple Maps
-OSMandMaps. Seems like a good option, but it’s not ready out the box. I need to do more tweaking with it.
-Magic Earth. Haven’t tested it yet, seems good. But I’m looking for free options first before I dabble with paid stuff.
AI (ChatGPT)
-Lumo. Chat is really good. But I understand they are good because they syphon data illegally, so I’m ok “downgrading” when switching AIs. Lump seems pretty good so far. I can tell it’s not as advanced but it will do me fine for what I need. Also, i assume once I pay for lumo pro it will be more “powerful”.
-Maple AI. Seems dope, also I like the pay model, pay for what you use over “x” amount of inquiries. Does anyone know how I owledgable/powerful it is?
-local AI OR Ollama. These 2 are beyond my knowledge. I don’t understand how I run these on my own server? If you know anything about these please ELI5.
Google Docs
-OnlyOffice. Seems like it does everything I want.
-cryptpad. Just heard of this today, need to explore more. Seems dope, but it doesn’t have an app? From what I’ve seen definitely a strong contender.
Photo App (I haven’t looked into any of these yet)
-Protón Drive.
-ente photos.
-I’mmich.
Google Drive
-protón drive.
Maps: CoMaps all the way. Very nice, polished map app using OpenStreetMap
AI: Just use Ollama. It's dead simple to run it on your local machine. They have docs here: github.com/ollama/ollama/tree/…
Productivity suite: LibreOffice. If you want sync use Nextcloud (needs to be hosted) or syncthing (no hosting necessary).
Photo app: Nextcloud Photos app if you want cloud sync. I take it you use iOS given that you specify Apple Maps, in which case idk what foss photos apps there are on iOS, but Fossify Gallery on Android is good.
Cloud storage: Nextcloud. By definition, cloud storage needs to be hosted, so if you don't have a server, you can use something like Proton Drive or Cryptdrive, or find a public Nextcloud instance that lets you sign up (Disroot has one).
ollama/docs at main · ollama/ollama
Get up and running with OpenAI gpt-oss, DeepSeek-R1, Gemma 3 and other models. - ollama/ollamaGitHub
A Demonstrator’s Guide to Operational Security
A Demonstrator’s Guide to Operational Security
How do police identify and target those who participate in demonstrations? What countermeasures can we take to hinder repression?CrimethInc.
Take all this with a big grain of salt—it’s based on the oddly naïve assumption that the police are trying to catch the actual instigators, and that they need real evidence to get convictions.
In my experience, the objective of the police is to create a particular public narrative, with the least amount of effort or risk to themselves. The narrative (which they present to the media after the fact) is that they acted with restraint, respecting the peoples’ right to assemble, until a handful of agitators turned destructive and the demonstration threatened to escalate into a major riot—at which point they swiftly intervened, caught enough of the agitators to prevent an escalation, and saved (most of) the city’s businesses from destruction.
Now, they do want to intimidate the crowd to keep things from escalating too far, but they also want to allow for some destruction to legitimize their tactics and to support the argument that the police force needs more officers. So they let the actual instigators alone, because they’re useful to their narrative (to a point) and because the police don’t want to engage with the group most prepared to fight back. (What they really want to avoid is a large crowd seeing multiple people physically resisting the police without being immediately subdued.)
Instead, they target:
* Journalists, street medics, and legal observers, to remove the demonstrators’ sense of institutional support and legitimacy;
* Anyone unable to fight back (like the disabled, elderly, and children) for pure shock value and crowd intimidation via low-risk displays of violence;
* Those whose mug shots in the papers the next day will support their narrative—the homeless, minorities, and anyone whose face is vaguely weird or scary; and
* People who dressed in black bloc fashion, but are clearly by themselves, passive, and not part of an organized group.
These last are the only ones they will try to prosecute, and often their black bloc attire plus the testimony of cops who claim they saw them engaged in destructive activity just before grabbing them will be enough to get a conviction. In this case the anonymity of their dress backfires, because the cops can pin the actions of anyone with similar clothing and body type on them by claiming they saw the act first-hand and caught the suspect immediately afterward.
Meanwhile, the real instigators are convinced that they escaped due to the brilliance of their tactics and not because the cops had no interest in catching them.
That said, all this goes out the window when dealing with Trump’s federal agents: they’re working from different narratives that don’t involve protecting businesses, maintaining local support, or respecting anyone’s rights.
"some anarchists disabled 75+ flock cameras in oakland and sf'
Anarchy in the USA.
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Assassinated Ukrainian MP ‘directly ordered’ shelling of Donbass civilians – ex-diplomat (VIDEO)
Assassinated Ukrainian MP ‘directly ordered’ shelling of Donbass civilians – ex-diplomat (VIDEO)
Andrey Parubiy helped stoke the “civil war” that eventually led to the Ukraine conflict, Andrey Telizhenko has told RTRT
Nelson Mandela was a communist revolutionary, and he even thanked the USSR and Cuba on US television for their material support in their struggle against apartheid.
From the 60s onward, the USSR supported Palestine (and even fought a secret war week-long war against Israel), and the ANC, while the US supported Israel and the white south african ruling minority.
I highly recommend reading Losurdo - western Marxism, you would learn a lot from that.
there's so much to unpack that it would take years of deprogramming the western propaganda that we're all born with to understand it.
a tldr version is that the nordic countries are not very socialist, but regarded as such by the westerners due to a fundamental lack of undrestanding that socialism is.
- What about social democracy / democratic socialism / the Nordic model? Isn't Sweden socialist?
- On the unraveling of the Nordic welfare states: increasing inequality and forced austerity.
- Scandinavia's covert role in western imperialism
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Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.youtube.com
Nvidia driver issues...
Well guys! I did it! Linux mint on my desktop! Finally! Everything seemed like it was going swimmingly save for some minor issues. But then I ran into one: I did use stability matrix to make furry porn (very bad furry porn, don't ask) but when I tried to run it, it kept telling me it had issues with python and cuda and other stuff. I wondered if the problem was just python libraries or my nvidia drivers. I did manage to get a workaround, but it simply wouldn't use my GPU... in fact, I think I am having a super hard time seeing if I am even using it properly.
Speaking of drivers I tried to install the latest one, but that caused a problem. I use multiple monitors (because of course I do). Three in fact, but only one ended up working with the other two entirely unrecognized. And I still wasn't able to use my GPU to get stability matrix (or even stability forge without that) and my games still can't run on max graphics settings. I've been looking around for some help on this and trying to work on it all day, with limited success. It is basically the only major thing going wrong with my transition from windows to linux.
Any help here?
Ok. If ever you want to try Bazzite, here's the download link: bazzite.gg/#image-picker
Then choose: Desktop > Nvidia RTX Series > KDE > Traditional Desktop.
Bazzite - The next generation of Linux gaming
Bazzite makes gaming and everyday use smoother and simpler across desktop PCs, handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs.bazzite.gg
Install Nvidia Drivers on Linux Mint [Beginner's Guide]
Struggling with Nvidia and Linux Mint? Here's a detailed beginner's guide that explains plenty of things around installing Nvidia drivers on Linux Mint.Ankush Das (It's FOSS)
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I feel like you lose a lot of credibility when your geopolitical analysis hinges on boners. I think very few would disagree with you if you said that Putin were cynically pursuing his and the Russian state's interests in the region, with complete disregard for civilian life.
The point is not that there are 'a tiny number of Nazis' in Ukraine The point is that there are a large number of Nazi paramilitary forces who were committing mass murder in Donbas well before the Russian invasion, and the Ukrainian government was complicit in these crimes, in addition to crimes of their own, such as shelling civilian targets. By all means, let's talk about ending the conflict, because the suffering of the people of Ukraine has gone on long enough, but a necessary first step is acknowledging that the conflict had already begun long before Russia invaded.
Russia has Nazis fighting on its side as well, Wagner/Rusich Group.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_M…
Let's not pretend fucks like this aren't operating on the side of the Kremlin
We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that
- Hackernews.
:::
Your Phone Already Has Social Credit. We Just Lie About It.
Your credit score is social credit. Your LinkedIn endorsements are social credit. Your Uber passenger rating, Instagram engagement metrics, Amazon reviews, and Airbnb host status are all social credit systems that track you, score you, and reward you…Natalie Pang (The Nexus)
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What are some good shell tweaks?
A short while ago, I saw a blog post from someone about modernizing their shell. Unfortunately, I lost the blog post, but there was some really good stuff in there. Just mentioning this in case someone knows what I'm talking about.
One tweak I remember they mentioned was about fixing programs that have broken formatting. It prevents scenarios like
user@hostname:~$ echo "hi"
hiuser@hostname:-~$where the output and shell prompt get placed on the same line. I noticed this happens with bash with C programs that don't include a \n in the final printf statement.
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Either nushell or fish shell if you want a modern shell.
But honestly shell usage tends towards vim or emacs workflows.
New drug hailed as ‘gamechanger’ in tackling stubbornly high blood pressure
Doctors are hailing a new pill for patients with high blood pressure resistant to existing medication as a “gamechanger” and a “triumph of science”.
Globally, more than 1.3 billion people have hypertension. In half of them, their high blood pressure is uncontrolled or resistant to existing treatments. They face a much higher risk of heart attack, stroke, kidney disease and early death.
Now a blockbuster new drug – baxdrostat – has been shown in trials to significantly lower blood pressure in those people whose levels remain dangerously high despite taking several medicines.
The results of the BaxHTN study, which involved 796 patients from 214 clinics worldwide, showed that after 12 weeks, patients taking baxdrostat saw their blood pressure fall by about 9-10 mmHg (millimetres of mercury, the unit of measurement of blood pressure) more than placebo – a reduction large enough to cut cardiovascular risk.
New drug hailed as ‘gamechanger’ in tackling stubbornly high blood pressure
Trials of baxdrostat have produced ‘exciting’ results for people whose hypertension has proved difficult to controlAndrew Gregory (The Guardian)
SCO summit in China: Who’s attending, what’s at stake amid Trump tariffs?
As China prepares to host the annual SCO summit starting Sunday, it is expecting a fuller house than ever of leaders from the region and beyond. Modi will visit China for the first time since 2018, amid a rapprochement that began late last year but has been propelled further by United States President Donald Trump’s 50 percent tariffs on Indian goods, which have forced New Delhi to seek stronger partnerships with Beijing and other players in Eurasia.
At a time when much of the world is grappling with the chaos unleashed by Trump’s tariffs and threats, analysts expect the SCO conclave to serve as a platform for Xi to project his country as a stabilising force, capable of uniting the Global South to counterbalance the West, particularly the US.
China’s Assistant Foreign Minister Liu Bin told a news conference in Beijing last week that the summit would be “one of China’s most important head-of-state and home-court diplomatic events this year”.
SCO summit in China: Who’s attending, what’s at stake amid Trump tariffs?
China is the host of this year’s SCO Summit, which takes place in Tianjin from August 31 to September 1.Priyanka Shankar (Al Jazeera)
codenul
in reply to Luffy • • •Man, i really want to like Murena as I have been using e/os for about 3 years now. Even signed up and pay a yearly subsriction for their online ecosystem, albeit its more expensive, but i wanted to give my money to the underdog in this instance.
Going have to read more into this since last years failure doesnt help their image
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in reply to Luffy • • •Honestly, what's wrong wiþ þis? You'd raþer þey restrict a user's desire to do someþing? You want less choice?
Are þey forcing users to connect? Are þey connecting wiþout user's consent?
Þis is a legitimate complaint. Not all /e/ software is OSS, and you can't trust sourcecode you can't audit.
Þis is a silly þing to object to; you're posting to !privacy, not !communism. Noþing about privacy implies communism, or even þe "F" in FOSS.
birdwing
in reply to Ŝan • • •It is wrong, because if you have the "choice" to, they almost certainly will be put up as a preset. And it enables your privacy to be compromised. Think of it like this: instead of having less choice by not having an option to connect to Microsoft/Google/etc., you get more liberty, privacy, and that gives you more choice to say what you want. Remember the Github dev who got blocked by Microsoft for his criticism?
Exactly. It can happen to you too. And that's not something that will just happen to high profile people, but everyone, unless if we stand against it.
For-profit is not a silly thing to object to. When the software has profit as motive, they gain an incentive to still snoop on data and sell it.
And that is exactly why privacy is necessary for all. Oligarchs love privacy (except for others), so they can hide their tax avoidance, and steal people's hard work.
All who are not oligarchs, be they communist/socialist, christian democrat, liberal, or whatever else, would stand to benefit from privacy. And it is precisely for that reason that you calling out it as communist makes no sense.
thanksforallthefish
in reply to birdwing • • •It's funny, I do remember the story, but I can't find it across multiple search engines (obviously Bing are going to block it so DDG can't find it, but I also tried startpage, searx, ecosia as well)
Can you point me to any links or give me a few more search terms to help finding it ?
pirat
in reply to thanksforallthefish • • •How GitHub, Inc. abruptly banned my account, including all my repositories, without any notice
Nikolay (Medium)thanksforallthefish
in reply to pirat • • •Good find although not the article I was thinking OP was referring to. It was more recent, within the last 12 months I think.
My best recollection was that the person had a hotmail or outlook account which was suddenly terminated following criticism of microsoft (possibly their failure to address a security issue). That account was their login/access path to a high profile foss tool. I don't think the tool itself got taken down in this case.
Not sure how accurate the above is, it's my vague recollection.
Blisterexe
in reply to thanksforallthefish • • •Ŝan
in reply to birdwing • • •Þis sounds suspiciously like "you're too stupid to make decisions yourself." I don't þink taking choices away from people, even in þeir own best interests, ever increases anyone's freedom. It sounds like an argument of dictators.
muix
in reply to Ŝan • • •Gamma
in reply to muix • • •I þink þe point is þat þ makes a th sound, so þey just did a simple replacement of þe characters
It does look like þere’s a few capitals þough, so þat’s pretty cool!
If Only
in reply to muix • • •Ŝan
in reply to muix • • •muix
in reply to Ŝan • • •lad
in reply to muix • • •Better replace U with V, to dovble the confvsion
oscardejarjayes [comrade/them]
in reply to Ŝan • • •Being a non-profit instead of a For-profit isn't really about communism either. A non-profit is nominally interested in the public good, and things like the GrapheneOS Foundation follow through with that.
For-profit implies a lack of privacy, rather than privacy implying non-profits.
Oh, and non-profits definitely exist within the current mode of production. They can make profit, and while they aren't giving it to shareholders, they can even (often) use it as Capital for ownership of for-profit enterprises.
Danitos
in reply to oscardejarjayes [comrade/them] • • •Care to expand on how is this always the case?
oscardejarjayes [comrade/them]
in reply to Danitos • • •Privacy isn't particularly profitable. Convenience is a way bigger market than privacy, and data is valuable. So, if you're primary motive is profit, and especially if you have a fiduciary responsibility, it's in your best interest not to respect the privacy of your users.
That's not to say all for-profit companies are anti-privacy, or even on the same level, but it's a mark against you.
Danitos
in reply to oscardejarjayes [comrade/them] • • •davel
in reply to Ŝan • • •We know. Just downvote and move on.
s38b35M5
in reply to Luffy • • •Watching from the sidelines as a LOS ROM user, I'm disappointed by the replies from the devs. From mischaracterizing surprise, anger and generally negative feedback as positive praise to completely ignoring the two main asks of the community. For me, there are other red flags, but I'll leave it alone.
Ego seems to be coming into play here, and the repeated references to GrapheneOS seem to reinforce that. Handwaving new and unique criticism as if it is a continuation of an older conflict is pretty poor form.
The basic issue as I see it (as a non-user of their platform) is to market your OS the way they do while also adding this feature without notice or explanation. Their claim that they want to stay relevant and include popular features is a straw man. There are other ways to implement it, and other ways to introduce it to the community. But that's not relevant. Their explanation could be used to justify abandoning their stated objective of anti-big tech in any/all ways. Saying people want big corporate tech features is weak and obviously not in parity with the stated mission of privacy-first.
It's not always the poor choices that sink user trust; sometimes it's a tone deaf response or unexplained motives, or opaque financial incentive structure.
Sometimes it's all of the above. This seems to be one of those cases.
Ty @Luffy879 for sharing.
E: spelling
JamesBoeing737MAX
in reply to s38b35M5 • • •ZeDoTelhado
in reply to Luffy • • •Do not threaten them with a good time
DrDystopia
in reply to ZeDoTelhado • • •upstroke4448
in reply to Luffy • • •Luffy
in reply to upstroke4448 • • •Privacy is the Main point spoken of in both the websites.
And don't come up with some „but privacy means big tech and OpenAI isn't big tech” bullcrap.
The word comes up 3 times in /e/, and the whole paragraph in Calyx is all about being spied on by big entities
krolden
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Luffy
in reply to krolden • • •Ilandar
in reply to Luffy • • •...?
What are we supposed to be looking at here?
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in reply to ScoffingLizard • • •Usually, it's frameworks using JavaScript to render. Instead of the whole page coming down statically, they make a couple of database calls and render on templates.
It gives them a lot of options for dynamic content. But it really fucks up accessibility and security.
sunzu2
in reply to Luffy • • •GrapheneOS is fucking king a for a reason. The main dev was a cunt but he wasn't wrong.
Peoples need to learn to see through PR, good or bad, and focus on specs.
It seems after years of bullshit PR, we can safely say that GrapheneOS thesis stood the test of time.
Google took notice and now fighting us.
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in reply to bitwolf • • •Luis Rossman got into with the main dev... At the time it seemed like Luis was right
However due what happened recently with calyx guy and how him and Luis have business connection.
I am reconsidering what actually happened back then.
GOS dev is socially inept but he was right from technical perspective and looks like he was bullied. So the lashing out might have been justified.
But like I said, maybe it it is time for us to look at substance over form. Shiti PR has been weaponized against peasant class.
Elites will literally tell you what you want to hear on tv while robbing you and the normies larp that propaganda as if they came up within.
With that being futo makes good product too
But graphene is clearly superior to CalyxOS
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in reply to NotSteve_ • • •No tldr... I am just going off my memory as a shit poster
But to address your core request.
The degoogle privacy community has a running arguement regarding what's the best way to degoogle for privacy
Currently there are two options microg which spoofs GPS but still does some connections ie calyxOs approach among other RPMs
OR
Sandboxed GPS ie GrapheneOS approach. Where you just run the apps but gos limits what gps can track. You do need a Google account but it is easy to get a dummy.
As side note the best is gos with NO sandboxed gps but realistically normies joining the movement need GPS capabilities.
Either one is better than normie phone but if you care about privacy AND security, gos is king.
The improvements they made to android even gets upstreamed by Google creeps.
CalyxOS development is spotty. Obviously I support them two, extra options are good and they cover more phones.
Gos only does pixel, which is problematic but that's just what can be done currently.
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in reply to NotSteve_ • • •LineageOS covers a lot of devices but I can NOT recommend in good faith as a personal phone decide.
It is made in some weird development mode and can't lock the bootloader.
Both of these make very insecure if you lose physical control. It is a decent degoogle.
Sammy is going anti ROM and will prevent people from unlocking Bootloader going forward it seems.
On personal level, I would advise against focusing on hard ware. I used to be a hardware whore myself. But in 2025 privacy/security should be the defining factor in cell phone decision. I can't think of anything more personal.
alkaliv2
in reply to sunzu2 • • •This is the BEST write up I have ever seen on the topic. Had no idea it was out there and explained a lot about the inner workings for security I wasn't expecting.
reddit.com/r/LineageOS/comment…
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in reply to PortNull • • •This used to work for me but then they started forcing the play store too and account which then required an account. So I just stopped using GPS all together.
But thank you for pointing just goes to show experience can be different and people should play around for their set up.
For me now it is an ideological battle. Fuck Google
JamesBoeing737MAX
in reply to bitwolf • • •sunzu2
in reply to JamesBoeing737MAX • • •Rossman has joint financial interest with calyx guy who is now leaving calyx.
There is more to that story IMHO
Luffy
in reply to sunzu2 • • •I just dived into that rabbit hole, heres what I could understand until now:
Tbh, I just dont get ROMs, just because you cant beat Graphene dosent mean that everyone needs the kind of Security Graphene gives you. Just dont fuck up, no matter how hard it apparently is.
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in reply to Luffy • • •Ilandar
in reply to bitwolf • • •There was no bullying, this is a complete fabrication on the part of Daniel Micay (founder of GrapheneOS). Rossmann made several positive videos about GrapheneOS and encouraged his viewers to use it themselves. He later made where he explained why he was no longer comfortable using it after Micay went on an insanely unhinged Discord DMs rant accusing Rossmann of "attacking and abusing me and the project" after Rossman left a single comment on a Techlore video. What was this incredibly abusive and inflammatory comment?
"This is informative, and unfortunate."
Rossmann said he no longer felt comfortable having GrapheneOS on his phone, considering Micay was the one developing it and now clearly held a grudge. I think that's pretty reasonable and logical, but apparently it was so triggering for the GrapheneOS shills that to this day they continue to push these entirely fake narratives about Rossmann being a "bully" and an "abuser". All the DMs are in the video I linked, you can decide for yourself whether Micay is an unhinged lunatic or the Second Coming of Christ.
- YouTube
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in reply to Luffy • • •Matt
in reply to Luffy • • •ragas
in reply to Luffy • • •What the fuck are you talking about? You can find the source codr of the e/os apps here:
gitlab.e.foundation/e/os/
There is nothing proprietary about them.
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GitLabLuffy
in reply to ragas • • •I am talking about their backup services and such.
Afaik, their Photos and file Backup Servers are neither Open Source nor encrypted in any way
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in reply to Luffy • • •OboTheHobo
in reply to Luffy • • •Ok, the openAI thing is not great. However...
What the fuck are you talking about? Degoogled doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to connect to Google services. It just mean that it doesn't require Google services to function and that the default configuration shouldn't include any Google services. If the end user actively wants to use google/microsoft/etc services then they should be able to. It seems as though you are advocating for an open source operating system to lock itself down from allowing the end user to use certain features, which is against the FOSS ethos. Remember, "free" as in "freedom."
BlameTheAntifa
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in reply to Luffy • • •I am a right muppet. I recommended e/OS a few days ago.
heres me old 12 year old Samsung S4.
Its got the e/OS, recovery-e-2.2-r-20240719418592-dev-jfltexx running with android 11
Those were that days. 16gb with 2gb ram, a fucking powerhouse, and more importantly, no fucking ai shit
I should say its my kitchen timer.
No more udates.
Working like a charm, battery last a week.
looks like I wont be using anymore of e/OS roms.
Half my family have e/OS installed.
I will be busy removing e/OS, and that ai shit with it, over the next few days.
blackfire
in reply to Luffy • • •utopiah
in reply to Luffy • • •This is a FUD post. Honestly this is just doing a disservice to privacy in general.
Of course /e/OS is not perfect but the title is wrong (/e/OS didn't suddenly start sending data to OpenAI without user permission, they are relying on OpenAI for a service that is optional PLUS they are explicitly saying that they setup a proxy to anonymize content!) but the content is also wrong :
TL;DR: /e/OS is not perfect but it's damn well better than Google!
Also important clarification, the Murena services (backup, STT highlighted there, etc) are NOT MANDATORY! When you boot you can decide to use them, make an account, etc (yes, like other services, including Google) but you just as well refuse and use your device. There is NO account required. The goal is to help people who are not yet self-hosting everything have an alternative rather than... have nothing then give up and fallback to iOS or Googled Android.
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GitLabLuffy
in reply to utopiah • • •Let me stop you here.
Every phone /e/ supports, Lineage or calyx supports too. Lineage and Calyx are both non profit, implement an actually secure Backup system by default, and do not try to sell you a subscription.
So why should I be defending a company that's worse then the Alternative, that's obligated to extract the most possible profit from its costumers, that says it is Private, yet sends your backup and Photos unencrypted to murena servers?
And no, you can't jUsT uSe aNoThEr bAcKuP sErViCe. These require root access by default, so you can't just install Seedvault.
Also, I don't give a fuck if the data to OpenAI is proxied or not. OpenAI is still not Private, and Murena has other, on device, Open source Voice to text options. Yet they, the self proclaimed Private OS, rely on a non private service
utopiah
in reply to Luffy • • •You'd have benefited from not stopping there, at least reading the bold parts : nobody has to use Murena servers. You turn on the device, say no, use whatever alternative services you want, that's it. What Murena (not /e/OS) offers is buying a phone with a working deGoogled Android device. There is a market for that. You don't have to buy from them and it's enough. You can criticize it as much as you want, here and elsewhere, and honestly your criticism is welcomed so that they can improve, just don't make things up.
Source : I'm backing up my photos locally with Immich, no Murena account, no Murena services.
Edit: thanks for sharing github.com/seedvault-app/seedv… looks interesting.
GitHub - seedvault-app/seedvault: A backup application for the Android Open Source Project.
GitHubLuffy
in reply to utopiah • • •Im just saying, that Murena, with their current services, is in no way better than Google. Also, that can change at any time, since the one making the Services and the one making the OS is the same Murena, so theres nothing stopping them to vertically integrate their Services more and more, until it becomes the only real option
just like Google and Apple did it.
Google started as a company that gave extraordinary Services for cheap to people, and only once it got popular, they started selling user data and doing questionable shit as result of them not really caring about Data Security and storing data unencrypted on their Servers.
Murena is a company that is giving extraordinary Services for sometimes Cheaper than the non Privacy friendly option, and once it gets popular, they still will be reserving the right to start selling user data and do Questionable shit as a result of them not caring about Data Security and storing data unencrypted on their Servers.
Yes, they did not sell your data. Yet. They did not release your Data to authorities. Yet. Their Service, being unencrypted, baked deep into the OS (with their Backup) shows just how much they could go that route at any time, and by having a mostly noobie audience, they wont get much shit for it probably
For me, its just like the Mastodon vs. Bluesky thing
Yes, /e/ is currently better than Google, but /e/ can turn as bad as Google any time. Unlike something like Proton or other Backup systems, since they have the option to encrypt your Photos and therefore make them Availible only to the user.
utopiah
in reply to Luffy • • •Honestly you seem to understand the technical side of things but I don't think you fully grasp the economical scale of Google. Murena is literally nobody, like 10 guys in a small shop in Paris, the CEO walking around, few extra staff international, some contributions here and there, it's not symbolic and I don't want to diminish their effort but it's really tiny. Your local supermarket probably has more staff than they do!
Meanwhile... Alphabet who owns Google is nearly ~200k people on payrolls, thousands more outsourced via 3rd party services (e.g. data annotation, social network "cleaning", etc) and the 4th largest corporation in market capital.
Honestly the comparison is not even apple versus orange.
Same for Apple, 3rd market cap, ~150k employees.
Yet... maybe more importantly, Murena has 0 lock-in, none. Meanwhile Apple and Google literally own the mobile market. It's practically impossible to buy a phone without at some point using one of these 2.
So finding imperfections in /e/OS and Murena is fine, again hopefully helping them to grow out of those potential problems, but the comparison ... I don't even know why do it in the first place. Murena literally can not become Google.
Count042
in reply to utopiah • • •Google and Apple were once the 10 employee nobodies going against behemoths.
Google also used to have no lock in, as well. It's original selling point was an open ecosystem with no lock in, unlike Apple.
You're like a walking definition of 'those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it'
utopiah
in reply to Count042 • • •Check my post history, I often link to Information Rules: A Strategic Guide to the Network Economy by Carl Shapiro and Hal R. Varian that precisely has chapters on lock-in. If you are not aware who Hal Varian is he was Chief Economist at Google. I don't know how much you think you know about "history" but I'm sure you do not know what I did study or not on the topic.
PS: if one day Murena becomes the size of Google or Apple according to pretty much any metric, I'll buy you a bottle of Champagne and kiss your feet to apologize of my naivety. You can archive that post.
Count042
in reply to utopiah • • •Nothing you wrote was a response to what I wrote.
I also don't care what you 'studied'. I lived it. Google and Apple were literally, and this is a quantifiable fact and not an opinion as you seem to be treating it in your response, the 10 person startups that were going against industry behemoths.
Yahoo was, at the time, was a Juggernaut.
I.B.M., at the time, was a Juggernaut.
Luffy
in reply to utopiah • • •Google was just a comparison. Of course Murena will not become as strong globally, but if we look at it relatively to the Costum ROM community, they have quite a fair share already.
Don't take everything literally. I just said, that having the track record that /e/ has regarding actual Privacy and not relying on big tech, which dosent take much effort since they literally fork LinaegeOS, which already dosent rely on big tech, I don't think its a good idea to let them become any stronger than they need to be, since, like I just pointed out
Murena does not do any substancial Development of Costum Roms. They just take Linaege, remove all the Open source software like Seedvault, and instead implement their own security nightmares.
And no, tracker blocking is not a good reason to make your own Costum Rom. There are literal free apps on Fdroid which do it already, and better. Don't like it? Switch to the DNS server of adguard, they do that too. Or mullvad. Or whatever.
Murena as a company is literally a leech just like Iode, which Attach themselves to Linaege (which dosent say they are Private at all), add a fucking DNS blocker, call it a day, and act like they just made Linaege Private.
utopiah
in reply to Luffy • • •Murena or Iode aren't about development or customization, it's about being able to actually buy a phone and use it without Google services, no tinkering. You might not be the audience, you might have other criteria for what constitute privacy, but basically if you can AND want to install a custom ROM, you are not their market.
None of the actors you mentioned, e.g. LineageOS, AdGuard, MullVad, SeedVault, and all the other "OS" in the name, etc do that so it's not relevant. I'm not saying they are not important but it's a different product entirely.
Luffy
in reply to utopiah • • •There are 3rd Party stores for Those too.
Its just not plastered on the Main page of the project
But I wouldnt argue that if you already want a degoogled phone, you have researched enough to at least know where to Ask for such websites
MotoAsh
in reply to utopiah • • •There is ample validity to complaining about pushing for profit services, though. Just like we all hate MS for pushing an online account for Windows, we shouldn't be blanket accepting someone pushing a service here either.
Making it truly optional is great, but it's still promotion.
Autonomous User
in reply to utopiah • • •Say less. You do not fight efficiently.
Libre software. 'Open source' is a deliberately ambiguous phrase, engineered to derail libre software.
Selling libre software is good. Stay on target.
lemmy.world/post/35312231
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in reply to marcie (she/her) • • •Linaege and Calyx is OK too, since they actually develope software (Linaege does it from scratch, Calyx develops Seedvault etc). even though they are not as rigid as Graphene, they are still ok for normal ungoogled stuff, and to be honest, most people dont need the security Graphene provides them with.
My problem is with Roms like /E/ OS or Iode, which essentially add nothing of value, but instead Fork Linaege, remove Seedvault and everything what isn't essential, and sell what is essentially a DNS blocker (which you can just use on your VPN slot via apps like DNSnet, or Server side like Adguard or Mullvad DNS) as a new ROM, complete with Subscription Service and (in the case of E OS) even with non encrypted Backup, essentially begging someone to compromise their Servers and steal peoples Photos and Data.
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in reply to marcie (she/her) • • •WorldsDumbestMan
in reply to marcie (she/her) • • •marcie (she/her)
in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •Pretty ridiculous take I can wire sniff everything coming out of my house and Linux (I use fedora Atomic) and GrapheneOs solve any sort of tracking issues. Then you just have only your ISP to worry about, and that can be solved with appropriate vpn, vps, and/or tor setups
Edit oh you're a bit account
Autonomous User
in reply to marcie (she/her) • • •You're letting them troll you. It's far more simple. See part 4: lemmy.world/post/35312231
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Autonomous User
in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •Blatant lie, classic disinformation, who told you to read it alone?
When it bans us forking it, we do not control it, guaranteed. lmao
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in reply to Matt • • •I think I'll just use lineage, or install a real linux on it.
jsomae
in reply to Luffy • • •Reminder that FOSS is compatible with commercial licenses.
That is not to say /e/ is FOSS. But given the reality of the capitalist hellscape we live in, we should not shame developers (FOSS or not) for not opting to work for free.
Luffy
in reply to jsomae • • •Non profit dosent mean everyone who works there cant earn money.
It just means, that you as Shareholder cant just sit on your ass and collect the revenue from your company.
If you own a non profit, and you work as for example a Dev or the head of PR, you can still have a hefty 30$/hour salary.
And the other way around, having a For profit just tells me that you do so little, that you can't even justify employing yourself at a non profit and giving you an own salary that way, because a non profit has to disclose just how much money you give yourself while underpaying your workers
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in reply to Luffy • • •30$/hr
In 2025 america ain't really money for somebody with a skill set to do this type of work in the US at least.
Otherwise agree. But realistically Foss will need to outcompete corpos commercially and that requires normies to make these consumption choice while Foss gains mass market appeal.
Obviously fedi is pro FOSS but we are just a rounding error as of now.
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