Democrats "Bringing a Pencil to a Knife Fight," Top Dem Says
Most striking to me about Martin’s overall message is that Democrats need to stop getting into arguments with each other.
“We have to stop settling on winning arguments with each other; we have to win elections,” Martin said. The way to win, the Party leader says, is to unify behind “one single goal to stop Donald Trump … and put this country back on track.”
And how to put the country back on track? By my count, Martin uttered Trump’s name 19 times in his main address. Obviously, it makes sense that the opposition party would have some things to say about the sitting president. But he hardly mentioned major issues like housing, a word he didn’t mention at all, even though Zohran Mamdani just weeks ago campaigned to victory on it. He didn’t mention inflation either, and only said healthcare twice and inequality once.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz made this point even more explicitly in his speech, saying: “We do not have the luxury to fight amongst ourselves while that thing sits in the White House.”
(The irony here is that he leads a state in which the Democratic Party just days ago took the extraordinary step of withdrawing their endorsement of the Minneapolis mayoral candidate, state Senator Omar Fateh. Then there’s Mamdani, who still can’t get the endorsement of his own party’s leaders like Hakeem Jeffries, whose district Mamdani outperformed him in!)
The 2024 presidential ballot was shaped by Biden and the Party apparatus and not by the voters. Throughout the first half of the year, the White House and the Party tolerated no acknowledgment of the president’s frailty. In the name of not having any debate, the Party squashed any primary challenges to Biden and then left no time (or way) for a viable candidate to emerge, anointing Kamala Harris instead. The Democratic Party met this past week and emerged with an exact repeat, a strict adherence to where the puck was in a losing game.
Democrats "Bringing a Pencil to a Knife Fight," Top Dem Says
DNC Chair's unusual criticism delivered at party's first meeting since electionKen Klippenstein
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No. Originally it was a testing username for UNIX shell. I just hit the keys randomly for numbers. Well, somebody verified my account, giving it higher value and making it not temporary.
Then SDF also made a Lemmy instance, and not understanding that being a separate product, I re-used the same username.
Greta Thunberg speaks before departure of flotilla carrying aid to Gaza [video]
An estimated Twenty-seven ships to set sail for Gaza from multiple ports to break Israel’s siege on the enclave.
This will be activist Greta Thunberg’s second mission, having been taken captive by Israel earlier this year when her ship and fellow crew members were sprayed with illicit chemicals and boarded unlawfully in international waters. The Handala and her crew also suffered a similar fate earlier this summer.
Dozens of people gathered on Saturday at the port of Barcelona where a flotilla will set sail for Gaza on Sunday. Swedish activist Greta Thunberg is hoping to break… the naval blockade imposed by Israel along the coast of the Gaza Strip since 2007... (AP video and production by Hernan Munoz)
Additional information:
The Global Sumud Flotilla to Gaza: Everything you need to know
Largest flotilla for Gaza hopes to pressure Israel to end blockade
The Global Sumud Flotilla to Gaza: Everything you need to know
More than 50 ships are heading to Gaza to challenge Israel’s illegal blockade and deliver urgent humanitarian aid.Al Jazeera Staff (Al Jazeera)
/e/ OS does a little trolling and sends all your Text to Voice data to OpenAI for processing and Speech generation.
First of all, to anyone downvoting my Comments about /e/ being a piece of shit, because...
- they advertise themselves as degoogled, but instead let you connect to Google/Microsoft/etc services
- replace all the propriatery not at all Secure Services from Google, with.... Drumroll please.... Propriatery and not at all Secure Services from themselves and actively encourage it.
- They are For-profit
- and being MORE out of date then even Fairphones stock roms.
... I told you so. Dm your Instance admin, pay them to send the DB entries of your Downvotes on a Thumb drive (or anything else from SSD to 3.5 inchHDD, depending on your preferences), and shove it up your rectum.
But a TL;DR:
/E/ is not Private. They just switch one bad comany to another one.
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
reality — an open, secure, de-Googled system is not open, not secure, and not a de-Googled system!? This is just a new anøm disguised as open source./e/OS community
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Australian ban on fish-shaped plastic soy sauce dispensers a world first
They have been a familiar sight at takeaway sushi shops around the world for decades but it could be the beginning of the end for fish-shaped soy sauce dispensers.
South Australia will be the first place in the world to ban them under a wider ban on single-use plastics that comes into force on 1 September.
Under South Australia’s new law, only pre-filled soy sauce containers with a lid, cap or stopper and containing less than 30ml of soy sauce will be banned. Plastic sachets will be allowed but the government hopes bulk bottles or dispensers will be used in sushi shops instead.
The South Australian environment minister, Dr Susan Close, said each plastic fish container was used for just seconds but “their small size means they’re easily dropped, blown away, or washed into drains, making them a frequent component of beach and street litter”.
Australian ban on fish-shaped plastic soy sauce dispensers a world first
South Australian law on single-use plastic packaging coming into force on 1 September will ban polyethylene containers known as shoyu-tai in JapanEelemarni Close-Brown (The Guardian)
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- calling not using small fish shaped plastic soy sauce containers a sacrifice is exaggerating to say the least
- some billionaire was making money selling these, so it will cause inconvenience for them
Chinese Pudu robots found open to hijacking
Researcher who found McDonald's free-food hack turns her attention to Chinese restaurant robots
: The controls were left wide open on Pudu's robotsIain Thomson (The Register)
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McDonald's not lovin' it when hacker exposes rotten security
McDonald's not lovin' it when hacker exposes nuggets of rotten security
: Burger slinger gets a McRibbing, reacts by firing staffer who helpedIain Thomson (The Register)
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That makes sense. But maybe there is something else... Hollywood exaggerated what could be done too soon.
Take the classic 1995 films The Net and Hackers. (I love hackers now in a bittersweet way because of just how sincerely positive they felt towards the future and the future of the internet. Genuinely believing that it will forever be a place of a freedom and ruled by wild west cowboy hackers who will not only do things out of curiosity, but also never sell out. To be fair, they were going by The Hacker Manifesto ).
In The Net, you have a terminally online cybersec specialist (a female cybersec specialist, and terminally online... in the mid-90s. The former is believable, the latter is not... there just wasn't THAT much to do online at the time) who gets her life torn apart when people erase her very existence using the internet. They state that 'everything is online now' meaning everything can be accessed and destroyed, thus rendering her a non-person with no records of who she because they purged all databases of her records.
In Hackers, you have somewhat the same thing play out... but it was done as a gag and clearly undone later. There is a US Secret Service agent causing the protagonists some trouble, so they make trouble for him by creating online dating profiles with his name and contacts (and putting extreme fetishes he does not have, thus having him be called by all manner of weirdos), cancelling his credit cards, and the funniest part: They have him declared legally dead somehow. All of this is undone of course, and the whole sequence played for laughs, but it greatly exaggerated what was and what wasn't online at the time.
One thing that absolutely COULD have happened that I didn't think was possible was in the 4th Die Hard movie, Live Free or Die Hard... in the movie the bad guys hack a city's traffic lights and make them all green all the time, thus causing numerous traffic accidents. I rolled my eyes when I saw and said 'nah, that can't happen'... only for me to read later that not only could such a thing happen, but it could happen in the stupidest way possible. Some hacker managed to find a clear-net website of some town that had their traffic light control on... and it was 100% unsecure. Meaning anyone with the URL could have just gone on and caused a lot of damage. The person who discovered it, thankfully, did not. But the fact that it COULD have happened was astonishing to me.
Now you have so much shit going on it isn't funny. I can't keep track of all the major hacks that just keep happening. From the Tea hack, to Las Vegas being compromised, to all sorts o shit. It is just incredible.
I have serious doubts about the traffic light thing, any even remotely well designed systems would have interlinks that don't allow green from multiple directions.
Shutting them down or changing the sequencing, sure, but not multiple greens at once.
Brain implants that read minds: a medical miracle raises new ethical questions
Brain implants that read minds: a medical miracle raises new ethical questions
For the first time, researchers have succeeded in translating silent thoughts in real time using a brain implant coupled with artificial intelligence. This technology promises to offer a new form of communication to paralysed people.Pauline ROUQUETTE (FRANCE 24)
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Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
A flotilla carrying humanitarian aid and activists, including Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, is due to leave from Barcelona on Sunday to try to “break the illegal siege of Gaza”, organisers said.
The vessels will set off from the Spanish port city to “open a humanitarian corridor and end the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people”, said the Global Sumud Flotilla.
They did not say how many ships would set sail or the exact time of departure. The flotilla is expected to arrive at the war-ravaged coastal enclave in mid-September.
“This will be the largest solidarity mission in history, with more people and more boats than all previous attempts combined,” Brazilian activist Thiago Ávila told journalists in Barcelona last week.
Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
Unspecified number of vessels due to depart Barcelona on Sunday, with dozens more expected to leave other Mediterranean ports on 4 SeptemberGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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She’s a true hero, risking her life for the cause not once but now for a second time!
She really puts her words into action.
Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
A flotilla carrying humanitarian aid and activists, including Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg, is due to leave from Barcelona on Sunday to try to “break the illegal siege of Gaza”, organisers said.
The vessels will set off from the Spanish port city to “open a humanitarian corridor and end the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people”, said the Global Sumud Flotilla.
They did not say how many ships would set sail or the exact time of departure. The flotilla is expected to arrive at the war-ravaged coastal enclave in mid-September.
“This will be the largest solidarity mission in history, with more people and more boats than all previous attempts combined,” Brazilian activist Thiago Ávila told journalists in Barcelona last week.
Aid flotilla with Greta Thunberg set to sail for Gaza to ‘break illegal siege’
Unspecified number of vessels due to depart Barcelona on Sunday, with dozens more expected to leave other Mediterranean ports on 4 SeptemberGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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How to set permissions for flatpak vscodium?
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What kind of issues did/do you encounter?
The VS Code/Codium essentially provide a separate development environment within the flatpak container. All the tools there, and the shell are separate from your actual system. There are some ways to work around this (github.com/flathub/com.vscodiu…). I gave up on the Flatpak and installed a native package. Containers are nice, but they have their limitations.
com.vscodium.codium/README.md at master · flathub/com.vscodium.codium
Contribute to flathub/com.vscodium.codium development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
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Let's be honest, if Microsoft failed Linux Phones will fail
It's inevitable....you people are going to have your Android given the iPhone treatment and you are going to LIKE IT! 🫨
Seriously though, alternatives? Grapheneos Mastodon page is a dumpster fire at times. One minute they are as ferocious as lions claiming they will never surrender.....the next they are lamenting that Google won't feed them and they need a new hardware supplier
CalyxOS folded quicker than a wet paper bag at a simple management shift! GrapheneOS and it's days are numbered
So what's the real option going forward?
A phone is a surveillance device.
The networks it is able to connect to have been compromised by attackers using backdoors built into them for the use of law enforcement. The legality of collecting information transmitted across those networks has been enshrined in law. All hardware and software companies which work with phones are targeted for infiltration by multiple foreign and domestic intelligence agencies. Friendly nations exchange intelligence packages and techniques for bypassing phone security with each other as a matter of fact. Foreign intelligence services’ surveillance technology is integrated into local law enforcement.
You cannot privately or securely use a phone.
Adblocking is not privacy or security.
Playing Super Nintendo on your phone is not privacy or security.
No amount of open source software will save you from the global intelligence state who have targeted the linux kernel and various distributions.
You cannot privately or securely use a phone.
This is probably true of most devices, but people can still try to improve their security and privacy. Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good and so on...
It was a certain mod that took issue with it, idt it was really a site wide rule or particularly stringently enforced
Actual site wide stuff gets communicated by carcosa
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Remember, remember, the 4th of December,
The hostile takeover, the corporate scheme.
I know of no reason, the share-selling treason,
Should ever be forgot.
Luigi, Luigi, 'twas his intent,
To bring the boardroom's reign to an end.
With a Nintendo blaster, bright and so blue,
To show all the suits what a plumber can do.
Neural Privacy: EFF interviews Yuste and Genser of the Neurorights Foundation
"How to Fix the Internet" has an important interview with neuroscientist Rafael Yuste and human rights lawyer Jared Genser, who together established the Neurorights Foundation, focused on expanding human rights concepts to neurotechnologies —tools that can record, interpret, and even manipulate brain activity.
They have contributed to getting laws passed nearly unanimously in three states of the USA and also discuss reforms in Brazil and Chile. This is an important issue to understand, and now seems like a short-lived opportunity to get laws passed before wealthy companies become involved in these technologies and start lobbying for their own interests.
eff.org/deeplinks/2025/08/podc…
Podcast Episode: Protecting Privacy in Your Brain
The human brain might be the grandest computer of all, but in this episode, we talk to two experts who confirm that the ability for tech to decipher thoughts, and perhaps even manipulate them, isn't just around the corner – it's already here.Electronic Frontier Foundation
German cabinet passes bill for voluntary military service
The bill foresees certain annual recruitment targets for the new voluntary scheme: rising from 20,000 in 2026 to 38,000 in 2030.If these numbers are not achieved, the government could opt instead to reinstate conscription, subject to parliamentary approval, according to the latest draft of the bill.
Already the current bill contains some mandatory elements, with all young men required to fill an online questionnaire regarding their willingness and abilities for military service after turning 18, to gain a better overview of the potentially available personnel.
Yo yo! Help me choose some better private services!
Yo yo!
I’ve been working on making my life more private and need some assistance picking suitable replacement options. Please let me know what you think of my list of if there are any opportunities for improvement! Here’s where I’m at …
Apple Maps
-OSMandMaps. Seems like a good option, but it’s not ready out the box. I need to do more tweaking with it.
-Magic Earth. Haven’t tested it yet, seems good. But I’m looking for free options first before I dabble with paid stuff.
AI (ChatGPT)
-Lumo. Chat is really good. But I understand they are good because they syphon data illegally, so I’m ok “downgrading” when switching AIs. Lump seems pretty good so far. I can tell it’s not as advanced but it will do me fine for what I need. Also, i assume once I pay for lumo pro it will be more “powerful”.
-Maple AI. Seems dope, also I like the pay model, pay for what you use over “x” amount of inquiries. Does anyone know how I owledgable/powerful it is?
-local AI OR Ollama. These 2 are beyond my knowledge. I don’t understand how I run these on my own server? If you know anything about these please ELI5.
Google Docs
-OnlyOffice. Seems like it does everything I want.
-cryptpad. Just heard of this today, need to explore more. Seems dope, but it doesn’t have an app? From what I’ve seen definitely a strong contender.
Photo App (I haven’t looked into any of these yet)
-Protón Drive.
-ente photos.
-I’mmich.
Google Drive
-protón drive.
Maps: CoMaps all the way. Very nice, polished map app using OpenStreetMap
AI: Just use Ollama. It's dead simple to run it on your local machine. They have docs here: github.com/ollama/ollama/tree/…
Productivity suite: LibreOffice. If you want sync use Nextcloud (needs to be hosted) or syncthing (no hosting necessary).
Photo app: Nextcloud Photos app if you want cloud sync. I take it you use iOS given that you specify Apple Maps, in which case idk what foss photos apps there are on iOS, but Fossify Gallery on Android is good.
Cloud storage: Nextcloud. By definition, cloud storage needs to be hosted, so if you don't have a server, you can use something like Proton Drive or Cryptdrive, or find a public Nextcloud instance that lets you sign up (Disroot has one).
ollama/docs at main · ollama/ollama
Get up and running with OpenAI gpt-oss, DeepSeek-R1, Gemma 3 and other models. - ollama/ollamaGitHub
A Demonstrator’s Guide to Operational Security
A Demonstrator’s Guide to Operational Security
How do police identify and target those who participate in demonstrations? What countermeasures can we take to hinder repression?CrimethInc.
Take all this with a big grain of salt—it’s based on the oddly naïve assumption that the police are trying to catch the actual instigators, and that they need real evidence to get convictions.
In my experience, the objective of the police is to create a particular public narrative (which they present to the media after the fact): the police acted with restraint, respecting the peoples’ right to assemble, until a handful of agitators turned destructive and the demonstration threatened to escalate into a major riot—at which point they swiftly intervened, caught enough of the agitators to prevent an escalation, and saved (most of) the city’s businesses from destruction.
Now, they do want to intimidate the crowd to keep things from escalating too far, but they also want to allow for some destruction to legitimize their tactics and to support the argument that the police force needs more officers. So they leave the actual instigators alone, because they’re useful to their narrative (up to a point) and because the police don’t want to engage with a group prepared to fight back. (What they really want to avoid is a large crowd seeing the example of multiple people physically resisting the riot police without being immediately subdued.)
Instead, they target:
* Journalists, street medics, and legal observers, to remove the demonstrators’ sense of institutional support and legitimacy;
* Anyone whose mugshots will alienate public support—the homeless, minorities, and anyone whose face is vaguely weird or scary;
* Anyone unable to resist a violent beating (like the disabled, elderly, and children) for pure shock value and crowd intimidation; and
* People who came dressed in black bloc fashion, but are clearly by themselves, passive, and not part of an organized group.
These last are the only ones they will try to prosecute, and often their black bloc attire plus the testimony of cops who claim they saw them engaged in destructive activity will be enough to get a conviction. In this case the anonymity of their dress backfires, because the cops can pin the actions of anyone with similar clothing and body type on them by claiming they saw the act first-hand and caught the suspect immediately afterward.
Meanwhile, the real instigators are convinced that they escaped due to the brilliance of their tactics and not because the cops had no interest in catching them.
That said, all this goes out the window when dealing with Trump’s federal agents: they’re working from different narratives with no pretense of protecting businesses, maintaining local support, or respecting anyone’s rights.
"some anarchists disabled 75+ flock cameras in oakland and sf'
Anarchy in the USA.
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Assassinated Ukrainian MP ‘directly ordered’ shelling of Donbass civilians – ex-diplomat (VIDEO)
Assassinated Ukrainian MP ‘directly ordered’ shelling of Donbass civilians – ex-diplomat (VIDEO)
Andrey Parubiy helped stoke the “civil war” that eventually led to the Ukraine conflict, Andrey Telizhenko has told RTRT
Nelson Mandela was a communist revolutionary, and he even thanked the USSR and Cuba on US television for their material support in their struggle against apartheid.
From the 60s onward, the USSR supported Palestine (and even fought a secret war week-long war against Israel), and the ANC, while the US supported Israel and the white south african ruling minority.
I highly recommend reading Losurdo - western Marxism, you would learn a lot from that.
there's so much to unpack that it would take years of deprogramming the western propaganda that we're all born with to understand it.
a tldr version is that the nordic countries are not very socialist, but regarded as such by the westerners due to a fundamental lack of undrestanding that socialism is.
- What about social democracy / democratic socialism / the Nordic model? Isn't Sweden socialist?
- On the unraveling of the Nordic welfare states: increasing inequality and forced austerity.
- Scandinavia's covert role in western imperialism
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Nvidia driver issues...
Well guys! I did it! Linux mint on my desktop! Finally! Everything seemed like it was going swimmingly save for some minor issues. But then I ran into one: I did use stability matrix to make furry porn (very bad furry porn, don't ask) but when I tried to run it, it kept telling me it had issues with python and cuda and other stuff. I wondered if the problem was just python libraries or my nvidia drivers. I did manage to get a workaround, but it simply wouldn't use my GPU... in fact, I think I am having a super hard time seeing if I am even using it properly.
Speaking of drivers I tried to install the latest one, but that caused a problem. I use multiple monitors (because of course I do). Three in fact, but only one ended up working with the other two entirely unrecognized. And I still wasn't able to use my GPU to get stability matrix (or even stability forge without that) and my games still can't run on max graphics settings. I've been looking around for some help on this and trying to work on it all day, with limited success. It is basically the only major thing going wrong with my transition from windows to linux.
Any help here?
Ok. If ever you want to try Bazzite, here's the download link: bazzite.gg/#image-picker
Then choose: Desktop > Nvidia RTX Series > KDE > Traditional Desktop.
Bazzite - The next generation of Linux gaming
Bazzite makes gaming and everyday use smoother and simpler across desktop PCs, handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs.bazzite.gg
Install Nvidia Drivers on Linux Mint [Beginner's Guide]
Struggling with Nvidia and Linux Mint? Here's a detailed beginner's guide that explains plenty of things around installing Nvidia drivers on Linux Mint.Ankush Das (It's FOSS)
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I feel like you lose a lot of credibility when your geopolitical analysis hinges on boners. I think very few would disagree with you if you said that Putin were cynically pursuing his and the Russian state's interests in the region, with complete disregard for civilian life.
The point is not that there are 'a tiny number of Nazis' in Ukraine The point is that there are a large number of Nazi paramilitary forces who were committing mass murder in Donbas well before the Russian invasion, and the Ukrainian government was complicit in these crimes, in addition to crimes of their own, such as shelling civilian targets. By all means, let's talk about ending the conflict, because the suffering of the people of Ukraine has gone on long enough, but a necessary first step is acknowledging that the conflict had already begun long before Russia invaded.
There’s no evidence there was a Nazi parliamentary groups committing mass murder. Which is why the UN court ordered Russia to halt its invasion and did not accept genocide claims against Ukraine when Russia used that narrative as a pretext.
The war in Donbas began in 2014, long before the 2022 invasion, and by 31 December 2021 about 14,200 to 14,400 people had been killed, including at least 3,404 civilians; most civilian harm came in 2014 to 2015 and fell sharply after the Minsk ceasefire periods.
Some Ukrainian volunteer units with far right members existed, most notably Azov and Aidar; credible groups documented serious abuses by certain fighters from these units in 2014, and they urged Kyiv to investigate and bring them under firm command. Those findings support claims of abuses, not a claim of large scale Nazi formations carrying out mass murder
Kyiv moved to integrate volunteer battalions into formal structures and to prosecute rogues such as the Tornado unit; this shows problems were real, and also shows state action against them rather than official sponsorship of systematic killing of civilians.
Russia has Nazis fighting on its side as well, Wagner/Rusich Group.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_M…
Let's not pretend fucks like this aren't operating on the side of the Kremlin
We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that
- Hackernews.
:::
Your Phone Already Has Social Credit. We Just Lie About It.
Your credit score is social credit. Your LinkedIn endorsements are social credit. Your Uber passenger rating, Instagram engagement metrics, Amazon reviews, and Airbnb host status are all social credit systems that track you, score you, and reward you…Natalie Pang (The Nexus)
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What are some good shell tweaks?
A short while ago, I saw a blog post from someone about modernizing their shell. Unfortunately, I lost the blog post, but there was some really good stuff in there. Just mentioning this in case someone knows what I'm talking about.
One tweak I remember they mentioned was about fixing programs that have broken formatting. It prevents scenarios like
user@hostname:~$ echo "hi"
hiuser@hostname:-~$where the output and shell prompt get placed on the same line. I noticed this happens with bash with C programs that don't include a \n in the final printf statement.
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Here's my .zshrc:
gitlab.com/theshatterstone/dot…
and ~/.config/zsh:
gitlab.com/theshatterstone/dot…
This config uses Starship for a prompt (starship.rs/), Homebrew as an extra package manager, and my own custom fetch script at:
gitlab.com/theshatterstone/fet…
A lot of it was taken from Luke Smith's zsh config. Say what you will about him, he's got a good zsh config. Link:
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •I’ve said it a hundred times. Look at the last 40 years of history where the GOP sabotages the country to increase wealth for a minority. Then later the Dems fix up enough. Then this happens repeatedly.
Look at the polling issues and taletell signs of ballot manipulation in several states. Going back to the 1990s.
Think of the games con artists play as good cop, bad cop, designed to extract wealth from their victims . It takes two actors to play .
I really do expect the Democrats will be allowed to win the midterms next year, and do nothing productive. They will not do tactics a real opposition party would do.
Then a democratic president will be allowed to win again. That president will do nothing particularly helpful other than bandages, so the next iteration will extract more wealth.
When the Dems win, it will silence, yet again, the proponents for paper ballots only.
And the next iteration of the gop in the 2030s will be worse than now.
And that is the most optimistic take on the future I have.
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