Apps watch how we move/rotate devices to understand whether we’re walking, resting, lying down, etc., I assume? (The most popular apps I mean with large data teams)
Wish that stuff could be turned off unless it was e.g. a game that made legitimate use of the accelerometer.
GrapheneOS does allow you to turn it off. It has a permission switch for your phone sensors. I don't know if there are other versions of android that allow the same.
Suddenly your new dishwasher sends your health protocols to your doc. The fancy toilet helped with a consistency analysis and your smart lamps add a sleeping protocol.
I think it can also detect our neural frequencies, aka 'read our minds'. That's why we see ads for things we thought about but never even searched for.
We already live in a world with existing, functional mind-reading devices. There is even a device designed to help people that are suffering from ALS communicate by reading their thoughts, and has a privacy feature where the user can activate and deactivate the device by thinking a password in their mind, in order to allow them to still have private thoughts.
Android throttles the hell out of WiFi requests since (I think) Android 9. You need to manually allow WiFi request spamming in developer options to let apps do something like determining location from it.
They already can by putting your finger on the camera and lighting up your finger with the led light. Then it detects the rhythmic changes picked up by the camera... At least 10+ years ago. It was a good novelty feature, but turns out, for most healthy people, checking your heart rate gets old after a few runs.
Cool tech but I question it's usefulness. They focus on clinical in their language but anybody who's on telemetry orders needs waveforms not beats per minute. I care if they're suddenly in afib, not that they're a little tachy after getting up to go to the bathroom.
That's already the original use case. Cardiac signature biometrics, can install in a doorway and do identity verification and track/monitor every individual that passes through the threshold
In the last decades, researchers have shown the potential of using Electrocardiogram (ECG) as a biometric trait due to its uniqueness and hidden nature. However, despite the great number of approaches found in the literature, no agreement exists on .
The article you cite states that accuracy drops to 60% if the enrollment and testing data were collected at different sessions. I imagine the effects of coffee or walking on heart rate would make that even worse.
90 is damn near perfect for most adults. It's a little high for children, but even for most teens that would be right in the middle of "the green zone." My resting heart rate of 60 is way too low especially combined with my regular blood pressure of 100/50
This technology is being touted by the companies putting them in place to be a cost saving measure as staff no longer need to print new labels and manually replace them for products on the shelf. This is true in that it is a benefit of digital labelling, however there are many other usage options that could be implemented after installation.
alter prices around lunch hour for ready meals and snacks at retailers in walking distance to secondary schools
automatic increases for products being purchased more rapidly than historical averages to capitalize on a yet unknown trend
increases simply as stock begins running low
Imagine in a few years when this technology is combined with network snooping of phone identification, loyalty rewards card purchase histories, and automatic buying of customer information from data brokers, all to create a profile that predicts when a person would be likely to be menstruating and the moment they walk in the store, the hygienic products they buy every month raise in price by 30%.
Good point. A US department store chain -- Kohl's -- has been using electronic shelf labels that change several times per day. Not sure how they handle the discrepancies. How do I prove the product was prices $1 when I picked it up if the label now says $2? Is it my responsibility to notice the register price was different?
I more or less avoided Kohl's, so I'm not sure how that was handled.
The only solution for that which I see is taking photos of the labels for every product taken off the shelf, but that's quite the imposition obviously. Trouble is there are no laws guiding these practices, and the result is going to be quite the mess for customers to understand.
In my opinion, the best purchasing experience for this type of shopping is using a handheld device with which you both scan the product as you take it off the shelf, and also process payment on your way to the exit. No cashier lines, and even better, no more unloading and repacking of your items just to purchase them. From the shelf into your bag, only back out again in your kitchen.
On another note, it boggles my mind to see the square footage used by all these self checkout machines when these terminal systems exist. Sadly I've never used one in North America. This is an aspect of shopping that could make me loyal to a single vendor. I would actually install the vendor's phone app if they built in this functionality instead of having these terminals.
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I would actually install the vendor’s phone app if they built in this functionality instead of having these terminals. I think you’re right, but I dread it. I avoid installing apps. The thought of installing even more tracking for multiple vendors annoys me. Although I am resistant, your point about bagging once is a true benefit. One downside, that system doesn’t seem to support cash.
I didn't give the privacy concern much thought in the moment, mainly thinking how useless and poorly designed those apps usually are, but I do agree.
Considering it now, I do have loyalty cards in my company vehicle for certain things, primarily fuel, and those of course remain in that vehicle as they serve no other purpose. Perhaps keeping an old phone for purposes of doing this scanning thing might be ideal. Though ideally I'd imagine a few dedicated handheld terminals kept in store for redundancy purposes.
Speaking of redundancy, you're right about paying in cash. Perhaps as easy as a 'cash' button and it would send the purchase total to a customer service desk. Around here, all grocers have a 'cashier' desk where you get lottery tickets and gift cards and such.
Though it would be funny to see these handheld terminals have a compartment to accept notes and coins haha.
Perhaps keeping an old phone for purposes of doing this scanning thing might be ideal. That’s an excellent idea!
all grocers have a ‘cashier’ desk where you get lottery tickets. Ha! Great observation. There’s no way in hell stores are going to give up on gambling cash. 😀
Great if we can make MRI quality imaging eventually available, but being able to monitor where people are in their homes remotely and their health status in our world is fucking dangerous.
Innocuous radio signals are one thing but if my apartment is inundated with radio waves that can literally be used to track my movements and monitor my heartbeat, being forced to allow this is a perverse and sickening invasion of privacy.
the problem is that you don't need 20 people for this kind of thing. you can just kinda passively slurp the data up from every router and throw it into a machine learning model to be used by cops or sold to advertisers. you don't need a human in the loop anywhere and it's essentially impossible to opt out of
So if you don't want someone to measure your heartbeat and to physically know where you are at all times your only option is to cover your entire living area, including the windows, in aluminum foil?
I guess what I'm getting at here is that this situation is deeply, deeply fucked.
Your neighbors WIFI signals are too weak to matter in this case. Even if they were strong enough, this is a receiver-transmitter setup, so it would still be impossible to do unless you connect to their network. Even then, they’d have to assume you’re the only person present between the transmitter and the receiver.
Presence detection through WIFI was already garbage enough, this one is plain unusable.
You need more power than what regular people use. You would need the signal to go through walls into your home, and then read whatever comes back out through the same walls, so it’s a lot more attenuation than you typically expect.
Capitalism asks whether you are the kind of person harvesting people's health info without concent or selling aluminum mesh underwear with fearmongering campaign. No other choices.
Care to explain what you mean? Are you saying you can run fiber in your house? Doesn't that still require some form of equipment from an ISP to actually go out to the internet?
The fiber line into your house from the ISP is needed. What that fiber line connects to is up to you. The router your ISP provides isn't special. You can get your own equipment.
I'm not super familiar with fiber. There's no modem or anything needed? Don't they still track data usage? Are they able to do that without any intermediate equipment?
Fiber that runs into your house can work with any fiber-ready router. So, yes, it's a modem in a sense, but also does the router/wifi job as well.
However, if you have Verizon or Huawei device on the end of your fiber line, your ISP can likely connect to that device, specifically for things like seeing if anyone is home. They don't need to do that, as it's only data for them to collect to work out advertising profiles.
Once your data leaves your house and goes into their network, then it's just your data on their network. Yes, they can see the data being routed, unless you use a VPN. So your options are going from your ISP able to see when you're home, to not giving them access to anything and just paying the bill every month.
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This is very cool and useful, but at the same time very concerning. While I see a lot of good use cases for this ranging from hospitals to stress recognition in animals I Am also quite scared, that big corporations will use this to spy on us. Luckily currently it is only possible to measure the pulse at about 3m, but it should be possible to increase the range. It may fall short when multiple persons are in detection range, but as far as I have read from the paper they did not test this.
Health data is extremely valuable. You can use it to serve more personalised ads or even use it to, as example, define prices for health insurance. When you combine it with lots of other data it becomes even more valuable. Also never forget, big corporations track literally everything. Why not add your heart rate.
Does it describe the methodology of how they use the transmitter and receiver?
What specifically are they transmitting? Is it actually wifi signals within the 802.11 protocols, or is "wifi" just shorthand for emitting radio waves in the same spectrum bands as wifi?
Yeah sadly it is paywalled, but I have been lucky enough to get access to it through my university.
Heres what I found regarding your question in the article:
Fig 1 illustrates Pulse-Fi's system architecture which consists of three main components: data collection using commodity Wi-Fi devices, a CSI signal processing pipeline, and a custom lightweight Long Short Term Memory neural network for heart rate estimation.
Fig 1:
And this is the Setup they used to collect the ESP-HR-CSI Dataset (left site) and the one that other researchers used to collect the E-Health Dataset (right side):
The parts on how they collected the data:
A. ESP-HR-CSI Dataset We collected the ESP-HR-CSI dataset from seven participants (5 male, 2 female) in a room of a public indoor library. It was collected using two ESP32 devices, one as the transmitter and the other as the receiver. The sampling rate is 80 Hz, with a 20 MHz bandwidth with 64 subcarriers positioned at different distances. Each participant was measured at distances of 1,2 and 3 m for 5 minutes each. The participants sat in a chair between the devices and wore a pulse oximeter on their finger to collect ground-truth information as seen in
B. E-Health Dataset The E-Health dataset [20] contains CSI collected from 118 participants (88 men, 30 women) in a controlled indoor environment measuring 3 m×4 m (Fig 4). The setup consists of a router set in the 5 GHz band at 80 MHz bandwidth as a transmitter, a laptop as receiver and a single-antenna Raspberry Pi 4B with NEXMON firmware for CSI data collection (234 subcarriers). Participants wore a Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 for the ground truth.
Each participant performed 17 standardized positions or activities, with each position held for 60 seconds.
To me it sounds like, that they really just used standard WIFI to collect the data (this is especially true for the E-Health Dataset), since all the processing gets done on the Raspberry Pi.
B. E-Health Dataset\ The E-Health dataset [20] contains CSI collected from 118 participants (88 men, 30 women) in a controlled indoor environment measuring 3 m×4 m (Fig 4). The setup consists of a router set in the 5 GHz band at 80 MHz bandwidth as a transmitter, a laptop as receiver and a single-antenna Raspberry Pi 4B with NEXMON firmware for CSI data collection (234 subcarriers). Participants wore a Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 for the ground truth.
does that mean a passive observer can do all that observations? and that a raspberry pi, with its single average antenna is capable of this?
It may be possible, but I have no clue. It may also be, that the position of the router and the Laptop is important, but that's probably something you would have to test.
All these Wifi for tracking people methods use the channel state information (CSI) that is used to help decode the transmitted data. CSI is obtained from pilot signals that are transmitted as part of a regular transmission. This is done in basically all digital communication standards, so you could do this not just with Wifi but also with 4G or 5G or older mobile communication standards. This is all not very surprising, there is a lot of research in contactless radio based heart rate monitoring, they usually build on radar systems not communication systems though. The buzzword for 6G for all this is joint communication and sensing.
I am not surprised. Passive WiFi was introduced nearly a decade ago, so it makes sense that measurement systems based on WiFi have come a long way since. It's frightening, honestly.
This is really cool and will be useful. My second thought was oh great now my smart TV can see how excited I am watching their injected ads and how many people saw it too. One of the many reasons to never connect modern TVs to the Internet.
The problem is not sharing and accessing, but generating. If we had a system where people would be paid for generating knowledge, then they wouldn't have to charge for accessing knowledge.
That's why a lot more research should be paid for by the government. In exchange, government-funded research would be excluded from having patents and/or copyright.
Goverment funded research is paid for my public money via taxes but the research information is not publicly accessible, I can understand this if it's defense or other secretive research but there is no reason someone should have to pay for access to other research fields information when it is publicly funded
One can dream. For now though it's the one radio my phone doesn't use. Mobile network tunneling through Bluetooth baby! My atrial fibrillation when remain between me and my meth dealer! Shout out to Craig!
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I have a book in my Kobo library that I want to put in Calibre. When I try to download it on my computer or phone, all that downloads is a URLLink.acsm file. Anyone know what's going on?
There is also a Calibre plugin that's supposed to deal with .ascm files. I've never managed to get it to work personally but maybe someone else will have more luck.
You should try being the only source of revenue for media organizations if you want them to pay attention to you. I understand it works really well, especially if you have a complete monopoly.
The developer behind Revolution Wind, a large — and nearly complete — wind farm near Massachusetts and Rhode Island, is suing to overturn the Trump administration's stop-work order.
If you are currently running Mint 22.1, the upgrade will show up in the Update Manager > Edit menu.
Edit: I updated my machines this way. I'm guessing it isn't set to automatically move one from kernel 6.8 to 6.14? I can obviously change the kernel via the Kernels menu in Update Manager, I'm just wondering why this wasn't automatic.
To provide support for newer AMD processors, Linux Mint 22.2 ships HWE Kernel 6.14.
This kernel however has issues with:
Virtualbox Old Intel GPUs which use the i915 driver Old NVIDIA cards which use the 470 driver (this driver is no longer supported by NVIDIA and thus doesn't support newer kernels)
If you are affected by one of these issues, we recommend you install Linux Mint 22.1 instead, which ships with LTS kernel 6.8.
You can then perform an upgrade towards 22.2 without switching towards the HWE kernel.
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i ran lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display' and i confirmed i was running i915 but i'm also currently on 22.1 with kernel 6.8; so does that mean i can upgrade normally and not worry about the kernel?
I've been running Mint since 17.x and have only had one upgrade fail in all that time. You're very unlikely to have a problem, but backup your system just in case!
You got people like this guy and then you got me who had to reinstall mint 3 times because of upgrade and compatibility issues and then I eventually gave up on it 😭😭 And that happened in the span of one month too.
Eventually switched to Kubuntu and now I use Arch btw WITH BTRFS 🤤
Or use something like TimeShift and set it to automatically create backups.
Before I switched to the boringly stable Bazzite, TimeShift was a godsend. I was able to learn so much about Linux just by not having to worry about fucking up my install because whenever I did, it was trivial to rollback.
so far it's been so good! i think the only issue i've had with linux is that it will randomly freeze everything (usually if I try to load a tab in librewolf/chrome that's a chonky boi or if i'm in zoom) on my laptop and i have to hard reset and i can't figure out how to search for it because i really don't know what causes it 🙁
I'd post to the Linux community on Lemmy or the Linux Mint support forum and someone(s) will guide you. There's even a guide to help you gather information and ask effective questions. I'm a Linux newb so I'm not very helpful on the technical end, but let me know if I can assist.
You could try typing free or free -h in a terminal to see how much RAM you're using. If you see swap as 0, then it means you don't have it set up or enabled.
I don't want to waste time explaining swap space if that's not your issue, but if it is then you can probably figure it out with some searching or come back for help once you've confirmed that RAM is the problem.
oh thanks that does make sense since it happened on my laptop but not on my desktop; i only have 12gb of ram on the laptop and the swap was only 2gb so i upped it to 8gb but we'll see if that does anything if it happens again!
Cinnamon uses slightly more resources than the other two. But, it's lightweight enough I doubt you are going to have an issue, even with a computer of that era.
Yes, but a user would need to be experienced enough to know how to uninstall the previous desktop environment components they don't want, otherwise their application menu would have both DE's applications (2 file managers, photo viewer's, text editors, terminals, etc), which can feel a little cluttered.
I’d say RAM is going to be the largest performance bottle neck for a desktop environment on an older machine. 4gb of RAM? don’t bother with cinnamon, you’ll likely have a much better experience with Mate or XFCE. 8gb is about where I’d even bother to test out cinnamon.
Hard to say without specs. I'd go with XFCE and then MATE right behind it. With a lower end PC, I doubt it could handle the fanciness of Cinnamon and still run software
I ran Puppy off of a 4gb USB for almost 2 years when the hard drive crashed in my desktop years ago. As far as the "it just works" OS's go, it was fantastic.
Nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution that works well!
I ran it it remotely logging in from RustDesk while working. Jellyfin (caddy), Copyparty, and my Pihole all run on that machine and it finished and all continued working after it restarted.
It doesn't seem like that big of an update. Unless you need something listed in the release notes, you can stay where you are. I am running 21.3. It is good until 2026. My configuration is a bit complex and I hate spending the time to update.
That's weird, I haven't gotten the update yet but dark mode is working fine in FF for me. The place where it fails is ff-based webapps, which I use for YouTube music, Discord, and MS Teams.
Workaround For Mint 22.1: dconf write /org/gnome/desktop/interface/color-scheme "'prefer-dark'" source: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1978639#c24 If you need to automatically switch ...
After using Fedora for a few days I do not care for the desktop environment and hot keys
But holy fuck how have I been sleeping on toolboxes?
The dev environment is great, I’m loving it. I even installed fedora 43 in a container to test out some rocm features and I didn’t even need to reboot.
I thought Bazzite was just for gaming… o would rather a near immutable distribo, once it’s set up with VPN and stuff I want everything else in containers and running at user privileges.
I would use it for gaming but I have a Studio Display which my framework seems to not like (which I mostly name in Apple… the interop is awful but it’s a beautiful monitor).
When I figure things out more I’ll try and move it to my tv though.
Just installed it, it's much better, and actually works with my thunderbolt display.
Coming from almost 20 years of macos, I am not used to the taskbar + windowing layout, but I'll see if I can customize that a bit more. Hotkeys are better than Gnome though.
I updated last night and don't see much of a change in my experience other than my toolbar icon look different. I streamed fo 2.5 hours on Arma Refroger no issues
At the time of myhardware upgrade it was only arch and nix that supported 6.14.
I've got mixed feelings about Fedora. I spent 10 years using a mix of Fedora, Red Hat, CEntOS, and Red Hawk at work so I'm very used to it.
However some of the decisions Red Hat the company have been making make me hesitant about it's future. It also makes me feel like I'm at work when I use it at home.
It's not a bad linux family at all and if I was setting up a production server CEntOS would probably be my choice.
They also updated to kernel 6.14 and updated mesa to 25.0.7, which means for people like me with a Radeon 9060 XT, it's no longer necessary to use a PPA for updated mesa.
The right-wing think tank behind Project 2025 is now crafting new policy suggestions, including an incentive for married couples to have more children, according to a report.
Following its controversial 900-page blueprint for President Donald Trump’s second term, the Heritage Foundation is now drafting a new position paper that includes calls for a “Manhattan Project to restore the nuclear family,” referring to the program to develop the first nuclear weapons, the Washington Post reported.
The forthcoming paper, titled “We Must Save the American Family,” reportedly urges the government to pour funds into individual families rather than child care programs, like Head Start, according to the Post.
The Heritage Foundation is also urging the president to issue orders that require all proposed policies to “measure their positive or negative impacts on marriage and family.” If a program scores poorly, it should be revamped, according to the Post.
“For family policy to succeed, old orthodoxies must be re-examined and innovative approaches embraced, but more than that, we need to mobilize a nation to meet this moment,” the paper reportedly reads.
What could possibly spook The Heritage Foundation of all groups to make this tiny leftward shift just a few years after their big evil strategy was released? They’re still an evil organization, but they’re that last group I’d expect to say the government needs to spend more money on more people.
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3 out of 4 of the Palestinian detainees from Gaza held without trial as "unlawful combatants" by Israel are civilians, according to data from a classified Israeli military database.
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Jessica Montell, director of the Israeli human rights group HaMoked, said Israel's "unlawful combatants" law "has been used to facilitate the forced disappearance of hundreds and even thousands of people."
Three weeks ago, Hamas agreed to a U.S.-Israeli-drafted ceasefire, but its offer was ignored. Now, the movement says it will accept a comprehensive deal in a renewed bid to end the genocide.
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"Instead of catching real criminals and terrorists, we are arresting pensioners and disabled people calling for the saving of children's lives," said one Metropolitan Police officer.
"Instead of catching real criminals and terrorists, we are arresting pensioners and disabled people calling for the saving of children's lives," said one Metropolitan Police officer.
As a court in Fort Myers, Florida prepares to address the legal rights of immigrants detained at "Alligator Alcatraz," Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem announces a new prison in Louisiana to house arrested migrants. Will the notorious Angola facility perpetuate the abuse and repression seen at Alligator Alcatraz?
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in reply to RegularJoe • • •Damn. “TikTok would like to access WiFi”
We need new permissions for this shit. WiFi can do presence detection and now heart rate? What next? Eye tracking?
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in reply to Boomer Humor Doomergod • • •Apps watch how we move/rotate devices to understand whether we’re walking, resting, lying down, etc., I assume? (The most popular apps I mean with large data teams)
Wish that stuff could be turned off unless it was e.g. a game that made legitimate use of the accelerometer.
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in reply to paraphrand • • •I'm pretty sure applications can only send and receive data, with the finer details being handled by the OS.
But yes, there should be a specific permission to access biometric information.
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We already live in a world with existing, functional mind-reading devices. There is even a device designed to help people that are suffering from ALS communicate by reading their thoughts, and has a privacy feature where the user can activate and deactivate the device by thinking a password in their mind, in order to allow them to still have private thoughts.
scientificamerican.com/article…
Phones are not fMRIs though.
New Brain Device Is First to Read Out Inner Speech
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in reply to theunknownmuncher • • •People do not have that distinct cardiac ECG profiles, and it would be wrong after one coffee.
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I wouldn't be as sure about that as you are
Biometric Recognition: A Systematic Review on Electrocardiogram Data Acquisition Methods - PMC
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in reply to AngryCommieKender • • •Hm I'm not sure I'd say it's perfect? I thought 70-80 was?
My cardiologist said it isn't really "danger zone", but if it were like 100+ it might be concerning.
I have had all the scans done, including a close look at my hearteries, and everything came back (surprisingly) clean.
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in reply to sturger • • •I was referencing digital price labels that retailers are installing.
This technology is being touted by the companies putting them in place to be a cost saving measure as staff no longer need to print new labels and manually replace them for products on the shelf. This is true in that it is a benefit of digital labelling, however there are many other usage options that could be implemented after installation.
Imagine in a few years when this technology is combined with network snooping of phone identification, loyalty rewards card purchase histories, and automatic buying of customer information from data brokers, all to create a profile that predicts when a person would be likely to be menstruating and the moment they walk in the store, the hygienic products they buy every month raise in price by 30%.
It's a bleak future I'm afraid.
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in reply to JoshuaFalken • • •Good point. A US department store chain -- Kohl's -- has been using electronic shelf labels that change several times per day. Not sure how they handle the discrepancies.
How do I prove the product was prices $1 when I picked it up if the label now says $2? Is it my responsibility to notice the register price was different?
I more or less avoided Kohl's, so I'm not sure how that was handled.
JoshuaFalken
in reply to sturger • • •The only solution for that which I see is taking photos of the labels for every product taken off the shelf, but that's quite the imposition obviously. Trouble is there are no laws guiding these practices, and the result is going to be quite the mess for customers to understand.
In my opinion, the best purchasing experience for this type of shopping is using a handheld device with which you both scan the product as you take it off the shelf, and also process payment on your way to the exit. No cashier lines, and even better, no more unloading and repacking of your items just to purchase them. From the shelf into your bag, only back out again in your kitchen.
On another note, it boggles my mind to see the square footage used by all these self checkout machines when these terminal systems exist. Sadly I've never used one in North America. This is an aspect of shopping that could make me loyal to a single vendor. I would actually install the vendor's phone app if they built in this functionality instead of having these terminals.
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in reply to JoshuaFalken • • •JoshuaFalken
in reply to sturger • • •I didn't give the privacy concern much thought in the moment, mainly thinking how useless and poorly designed those apps usually are, but I do agree.
Considering it now, I do have loyalty cards in my company vehicle for certain things, primarily fuel, and those of course remain in that vehicle as they serve no other purpose. Perhaps keeping an old phone for purposes of doing this scanning thing might be ideal. Though ideally I'd imagine a few dedicated handheld terminals kept in store for redundancy purposes.
Speaking of redundancy, you're right about paying in cash. Perhaps as easy as a 'cash' button and it would send the purchase total to a customer service desk. Around here, all grocers have a 'cashier' desk where you get lottery tickets and gift cards and such.
Though it would be funny to see these handheld terminals have a compartment to accept notes and coins haha.
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in reply to JoshuaFalken • • •panda_abyss
in reply to RegularJoe • • •This tech scares the hell out of me.
Great if we can make MRI quality imaging eventually available, but being able to monitor where people are in their homes remotely and their health status in our world is fucking dangerous.
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in reply to panda_abyss • • •Real question: how do you stop this?
I don't use wifi at all in my home but I live in an apartment and all my neighbours obviously do.
How in the hell do I stop this from getting into my home?
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in reply to krunklom • • •Own the network. Run OSS.
That's about it.
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in reply to 0x0 • • •So if you don't want someone to measure your heartbeat and to physically know where you are at all times your only option is to cover your entire living area, including the windows, in aluminum foil?
I guess what I'm getting at here is that this situation is deeply, deeply fucked.
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in reply to krunklom • • •tekato
in reply to krunklom • • •Your neighbors WIFI signals are too weak to matter in this case. Even if they were strong enough, this is a receiver-transmitter setup, so it would still be impossible to do unless you connect to their network. Even then, they’d have to assume you’re the only person present between the transmitter and the receiver.
Presence detection through WIFI was already garbage enough, this one is plain unusable.
krunklom
in reply to tekato • • •Good to know.
The stuff I've read about recently tracking movements using wifi - would this need more powerful radio waves than most people use or no?
tekato
in reply to krunklom • • •alecbowles
in reply to panda_abyss • • •In a world where private health care is the norm, yes. It’s scary.
In a world where Public health care is the main provider of health it isn’t.
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in reply to welfare_wizard • • •Yeah I'm with you.
"Using this technological advancement to improve health care is good"
"Not in countries where health care is publicly run"
"What" is the correct response here.
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in reply to PlexSheep • • •If we think about the applications of the technology to the benefit of someone’s health I think it’s really cool.
Needless to say it does pose a risk to our privacy and data security if used with an intention to monitor ones health without their consent.
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in reply to CallMeMrFlipper • • •Fiber that runs into your house can work with any fiber-ready router. So, yes, it's a modem in a sense, but also does the router/wifi job as well.
However, if you have Verizon or Huawei device on the end of your fiber line, your ISP can likely connect to that device, specifically for things like seeing if anyone is home. They don't need to do that, as it's only data for them to collect to work out advertising profiles.
Once your data leaves your house and goes into their network, then it's just your data on their network. Yes, they can see the data being routed, unless you use a VPN. So your options are going from your ISP able to see when you're home, to not giving them access to anything and just paying the bill every month.
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in reply to RegularJoe • • •Inb4 the cops starts doing nonconsensual "polygraph tests" using wifi
Those 5G Conspiracy Theorists probably feel vindicated after reading this lol
jaemo
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •I rather think they will be let down, given we're on wifi 7, not 5G, and also no injected nanites were involved.
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in reply to RegularJoe • • •The Paper: ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/d…
This is very cool and useful, but at the same time very concerning. While I see a lot of good use cases for this ranging from hospitals to stress recognition in animals I Am also quite scared, that big corporations will use this to spy on us. Luckily currently it is only possible to measure the pulse at about 3m, but it should be possible to increase the range. It may fall short when multiple persons are in detection range, but as far as I have read from the paper they did not test this.
Pulse-Fi: A Low-Cost System for Accurate Heart Rate Monitoring Using Wi-Fi Channel State Information
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in reply to SaveTheTuaHawk • • •And there's a lot of someones.
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in reply to da_cow (she/her) • • •Article is paywalled for me.
Does it describe the methodology of how they use the transmitter and receiver?
What specifically are they transmitting? Is it actually wifi signals within the 802.11 protocols, or is "wifi" just shorthand for emitting radio waves in the same spectrum bands as wifi?
da_cow (she/her)
in reply to GamingChairModel • • •Yeah sadly it is paywalled, but I have been lucky enough to get access to it through my university.
Heres what I found regarding your question in the article:
Fig 1:
And this is the Setup they used to collect the ESP-HR-CSI Dataset (left site) and the one that other researchers used to collect the E-Health Dataset (right side):
The parts on how they collected the data:
To me it sounds like, that they really just used standard WIFI to collect the data (this is especially true for the E-Health Dataset), since all the processing gets done on the Raspberry Pi.
WhyJiffie
in reply to da_cow (she/her) • • •does that mean a passive observer can do all that observations? and that a raspberry pi, with its single average antenna is capable of this?
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in reply to RegularJoe • • •wi-fi using passive reflection
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in reply to Tlf • • •The problem is not sharing and accessing, but generating. If we had a system where people would be paid for generating knowledge, then they wouldn't have to charge for accessing knowledge.
That's why a lot more research should be paid for by the government. In exchange, government-funded research would be excluded from having patents and/or copyright.
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