Western troops in Ukraine would be ‘legitimate targets’, Putin says
Vladimir Putin has said any western troops placed in Ukraine would be “legitimate targets” for Russian strikes, upping the stakes as Kyiv’s allies scramble to come up with a convincing offer of postwar support to Ukraine.
Speaking a day after the French president, Emmanuel Macron, announced still-vague plans for a package of support for Ukraine backed by 26 nations, Putin on Friday said any guarantees that involved boots on the ground would violate Moscow’s longstanding objections to Nato troops in Ukraine.
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Western troops in Ukraine would be ‘legitimate targets’, Putin says
Russian president’s threat follows French proposal for postwar support for Kyiv that would include presence of Nato countries’ forcesShaun Walker (The Guardian)
Trump and Putin both agree: Blame falls on Europe as Ukraine peace effort languishes
Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are on the same page again.The US and Russian presidents are now both singling out Europe as stasis envelops efforts to end the Ukraine war three weeks after their high-profile but low-impact summit in Alaska.
Trump called on Europe to do more in a call with European leaders on Thursday — even though the only incremental diplomatic activity to do with the war is coming from US transatlantic allies as they try to work out security guarantees to protect Ukraine after any peace deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/05/politics/trump-putin-russia-ukraine-war-zelensky-china-analysis
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Pope feeds fish as he opens Vatican's ambitious model of sustainable farming and education
ROME (AP) — Pope Leo XIV fed fish in the fishpond, pet horses and visited organic vineyards Friday as he inaugurated the Vatican’s ambitious project to turn Pope Francis’ preaching about caring for the environment into practice.
Leo formally opened Borgo Laudato Si, a 55-acre utopian experiment in sustainable farming, vocational training and environmental education located on the grounds of the papal summer retreat in Castel Gandolfo. The Vatican hopes the center, open to student groups, CEOs and others, will be a model of ecological stewardship, education and spirituality for the Catholic Church and beyond.
Leo travelled by helicopter to Castel Gandolfo and then zoomed around the estate’s cypress-lined gardens in an electric golf cart to reach the center, which is named for Francis’ landmark 2015 encyclical “Laudato Si,” or Praised Be. The document, which inspired an entire church movement, cast care for the planet as an urgent and existential moral concern that was inherently tied to questions of human dignity and justice, especially for the poor.
Leo has strongly reaffirmed Francis’ focus on the need to care for God’s creation, and celebrated the first “green” Mass in the estate’s gardens earlier this summer, using a new set of prayers inspired by the encyclical that specifically invoke prayers for creation. On Friday, some 10 years after Laudato Si was published, Leo presided over a liturgy to bless the new center after touring its gardens, farm and classrooms.
Leo recalled that according to the Bible, human beings have a special place in the act of creation, created in the “image and likeness of God.”
“But this privilege comes with a great responsibility: that of caring for all other creatures, in accordance with the creator’s plan,” he said. “Care for creation, therefore, represents a true vocation for every human being, a commitment to be carried out within creation itself, without ever forgetting that we are creatures among creatures, and not creators.”
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I admit I dont follow religion centric news articles so excuse me if im way off base and that im basing this comment on the assumption a mjority of priests have stopped fucking kids. With that being said, i wish most governments put in the same efforts the Vatican seems to show in actively making changes to become more tolerant, progressive and modern. In the 15 to 20 years since the last catholic school kicked me out, I feel like the church has gone from the poster child for hating gays, hating safe sex, actively covering up all the kid fuckers, ignoring climate change and avoiding geopolitical conflicts; and has grown into a go earning body that acknowledges its past fuck ups, grew to include gays, seemingly stopped fucking kids, actively supports changes for climate control, and even calling out leaders for allowing a genocide to happen.
Im definitely not saying the people who follow the church are the dumbest most closed minded hateful fuckin people in the world. Im just commenting on the governing body I see for headlines of articles I have no interest in reading lol
Doesn't read beyond the headline
Hell yeah! Feed those fish, Pope Bob! Feed them good!
Belarus detains Polish Carmelite monk for alleged spying
TALLINN, Estonia (AP) — Belarus has detained a Polish monk on suspicion of espionage, the latest escalation in Minsk’s long-running standoff with its NATO member neighbor.
Belarusian authorities said Thursday that Grzegorz Gaweł, 27, was arrested in the town of Lepel, northwest of the Belarusian capital, after he allegedly obtained sensitive documents relating to military drills involving Russia. He faces up to 15 years in prison.
Belarus, Moscow’s close and dependent ally, allowed the Kremlin to use its territory to send troops into neighboring Ukraine in 2022, and has also hosted some of Russia’s tactical nuclear weapons. Its strongman President, Alexander Lukashenko, has ruled the country with an iron fist for more than 30 years, relying on subsidies and support from the Kremlin.
Belarusian state television on Thursday broadcast what it said was footage of Gaweł’s arrest. It shows the Pole handing to uniformed officers a copy of a document marked “secret.” The document’s heading suggests it pertains to joint Russian-Belarusian military exercises set to begin next Friday.
Belarusian security officers are shown pushing Gaweł to the ground, confiscating money and a SIM card registered in another name.
Israel strikes high-rise building and threatens to hit more in Gaza City offensive
DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israel struck a high-rise building in Gaza City on Friday after an evacuation warning, as the military stepped up operations aimed at seizing control of the famine-stricken city of some 1 million Palestinians. Strikes elsewhere in Gaza City killed at least 27 people, health officials said.
The military accused Hamas militants of using high-rises in the city for surveillance and planned ambushes, and said it would carry out “precise, targeted strikes” on militant infrastructure in the coming days.
Israel has begun mobilizing tens of thousands of reservists and is repeating evacuation warnings as part of its plan to widen its offensive, which has sparked opposition domestically and condemnation abroad.
Palestinians said Friday’s strike targeted the Mushtaha tower in Rimal, an upscale neighborhood before the war. Gaza City resident Ahmed al-Boari said people fleeing Israeli operations elsewhere in the city had sought shelter in and around the building. Satellite imagery showed a large number of tents nearby.
It was not immediately clear if anyone was wounded or killed in the strike.
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AP reporting calls into question why and how Israel attacked a Gaza hospital
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Associated Press reporting into an Israeli attack on a Gaza Strip hospital that killed 22 people, including five journalists, raises serious questions about Israel’s rationale for the strikes and the way they were carried out. Among those killed was Mariam Dagga, who worked for AP and other news organizations.
Israeli forces struck a position well known as a journalists’ gathering point, because — a military official said — they believed a camera on the roof was being used by Hamas to observe troops. The official cited “suspicious behavior” and unspecified intelligence, but the only detail given was that there was a towel on the camera and the person with it — which the army interpreted as an effort to avoid identification.
AP has gathered new evidence indicating the camera in question actually belonged to a Reuters video journalist who routinely covered his equipment with a white cloth to protect it from the scorching sun and dust. The journalist, Hussam al-Masri, was killed in the initial strike.
The evidence calls into question why Israeli forces went through with the strike. Witnesses say Israel frequently observed the position by drone, including about 40 minutes before the attack, giving an opportunity to correctly identify al-Masri.
AP’s findings also reveal other troubling decisions from the Aug. 25 attack:
— Soon after the first strike, Israeli forces hit the same position again, after medical and emergency workers had reached the scene to treat the injured, and as journalists including Dagga had rushed to cover the news. The strike has raised accusations of a “double tap” — a type of attack intended to kill those responding to casualties and which experts in international law say is a possible war crime.
— Troops used high-explosive tank shells to strike a hospital, instead of more precise guided weapons that might have resulted in fewer casualties.
— In all, Israel struck the hospital four times, the AP found, each time without warning.
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Why did Israel blow up another hospital? Lol, the fucking disgusting cunts target hospitals, that's why. What's the strategic value of blowing up a hospital? Israel is making sure that the fewest amount Palestinians exist as possible...aka a genocide.
edit: better words in better order
ByteDance chip design staff suddenly find out they report to Singapore unit, sources say
ByteDance chip design staff suddenly find out they report to Singapore unit, sources say
The employees made the discovery when they were moved into a new group on the company’s internal messaging platform Read more at straitstimes.com.ST
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New York Times: Unsuccessful 2019 Navy SEAL mission left unarmed North Koreans dead
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/05/politics/north-korea-navy-seal-mission-nyt
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any other president would be successfully impeached for shit like this
Trump was successfully impeached twice.
Trump was successfully impeached twice.
sorry, impeached and held accountable, and removed from office.
yeah forgot the GOP bent over backwards, twice, to save this idiot orange baboon of a traitor
We've had far more presidents deserving of impeachment than ever actually impeached and convicted.
This isn't a partisan problem nearly so much as it is a systematic one. Countries with Parliaments can oust a PM with a simple singular No Confidence vote. The American system of removing a president is functionally impossible.
This isn’t a partisan problem nearly so much as it is a systematic one.
can agree on everything up to here. the evidence presented for Trump's impeachment should have sealed any impartial judgement; it's a systematic problem when half the elected officials FEAR the power Trump would bring against them if they convicted him.
the evidence presented for Trump’s impeachment should have sealed any impartial judgement
Impeachments aren't impartial. Senators have to go back home to their states and explain their decision to voters.
when half the elected officials FEAR the power Trump would bring against them if they convicted him.
It's not the fear of Trump, but of the fascist donors and organizers who would quickly primary them out.
It’s not the fear of Trump, but of the fascist donors and organizers who would quickly primary them out.
they literally said they were afraid.
thehill.com/homenews/house/534…
mediaite.com/politics/trump/ho…
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House Republicans Reportedly Terrified of Crossing Trump on Impeachment: They ‘Fear For Their Lives& ...
Numerous reports are indicating that House Republicans are terrified of crossing President Donald Trump and voting for his impeachment.Joe DePaolo (Mediaite)
they literally said they were afraid
And I trust them unequivocally because they've been so trustworthy before now.
done with this convo
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A major investigation reports US Navy Seals killed North Korean civilians in botched 2019 mission
US Navy Seals killed North Korean civilians in botched 2019 mission, report says
New York Times says Trump authorized mission to plant listening device; team killed fishers who had come across themGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
In Britain, Criminalizing Dissent Is an Imperial Strategy
Turkey and Israel have long called on their ally Britain to crack down on solidarity groups that threaten their imperial domination. Keir Starmer’s government is increasingly playing along.
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the SEALs punctured the boat crew’s lungs with knives to make sure their bodies would sink.
These were trained monsters, one day they will retire and do something at home.
Everyone is focusing on trump (of course) or the "threat of nuclear war," but nobody seems to care that these were innocent people murdered by American soldiers.
North Korea isn't going to do anything. I'm sure they care less about their civilians than we do.
The fact we won't hold our government or military responsible for killing innocent people is disgusting.
MDB II – 2025.55 – O dia em que o Mendonça chamou o Careca pra porrada #podifusão
II – 2025.55 – O dia em que o Mendonça chamou o Careca pra porrada
Terrivelmente evangélico vs. Maridão de Dona ViviCastbox
US officials threaten Lebanon with ‘new Israeli war’ if Hezbollah stays armed: Report
US officials threaten Lebanon with ‘new Israeli war’ if Hezbollah stays armed: Report
A Lebanese government session will be held in the coming hours to discuss disarmament plansthecradle.co
Far-right AfD surges to 39% in German state, one year before election
cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/47959472
The far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) is far ahead in the polls in Saxony-Anhalt, a poll revealed on Thursday, just one year before the eastern state holds elections to its regional parliament.
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They still should immediately outlaw the AFD (NAZI) party, as per their constitution. While they're still the government, and before they're the ones fighting the new German Nazi state.
Billionaires are funding the new German nazis, like Musk the nazi, and Putin the nazi.
You have no idea, how the constitution works
Just because your Lobotomised Orange can do anything he wants over in Jesusland, there is still a working democracy here
So its time to leave jesusland for you and actually learn how it works
While yes, the Parlament has to initiate the Verfassungsschutz, the Verfassungsschutz already published a 500 or so page document about it, however, in order for them to be able to use it as evidence and therefore van the AfD, they first have to win the legal battle with them fighting the whole evidence that can get them banned in the first place.
- if they will even exist at that point, since 10 have already been killed off
More of their members should probably die. And perhaps a portion of their most zealous followers. Not the idiot randoms, but the ones that are really into their ideology.
Remember kids; fascist lives don't matter.
Lutnick predicts 'better' job number accuracy after Trump fired BLS chief
Lutnick predicts 'better' job number accuracy after Trump fired BLS chief
President Donald Trump, asked Thursday night if he could commit to saying that BLS' upcoming jobs data would be credible, declined to do so.Kevin Breuninger (CNBC)
The Fake News NEVER wanted you to know, but I’ll tell you: we have the GREATEST JOBS NUMBERS in the history of the world. Not just America—the ENTIRE PLANET. People can’t believe it! Biden couldn’t do it, Obama couldn’t do it, Lincoln never even tried (sad!), but I did it, and I did it BIG.I walk down the street—HARD HATS, STEEL WORKERS, TRUCKERS—big strong men, tears POURING down their faces, saying, “Sir, THANK YOU. I have THREE jobs now, and I’ve never been happier. My wife has two jobs, my kids have jobs, even my DOG has a job!” Tremendous spirit.
World leaders call me—Xi, Putin, Macron, even the King of England (nice guy, very weak)—all crying, literally sobbing on the phone: “Sir, we’ve never seen anything like this. How do you make so many jobs?” And I tell them: it’s called BEING TRUMP.
So true: we’re winning so much, America is working so much, and the FAKE Democrats are crying too—but not with joy, with jealousy. HISTORIC NUMBERS, FOLKS!!!
-@RealDonaldTrump
Tesla proposes new pay plan for Musk that would expand his voting power
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Tesla’s board is asking investors to approve yet another outsized pay plan for CEO Elon Musk, according to a financial filing out Friday.
The full award would give Musk more than 423 million additional shares.
The company will also ask shareholders to vote on whether the automaker should invest in Musk’s artificial intelligence company, xAI.
Tesla's nearly $1 trillion new pay plan for Musk would expand his voting power
Tesla will also ask shareholders to vote on whether the automaker should invest in Musk's artificial intelligence company, xAI.Lora Kolodny (CNBC)
Tesla’s board is asking investors to approve a new pay plan for CEO Elon Musk worth about $975 billion.
Insanity
Conor McGregor asks for help in bid to be president of Ireland
Conor McGregor's bid to be Ireland's president hits snag, UFC star asks for help
Irish MMA star Conor McGregor announced his bid to be the president of Ireland on social media. What to know about his quest to be on the ballot:, USA TODAY (USA TODAY)
EU-Mercosur trade deal angers farmers, environmentalists
EU-Mercosur trade deal angers farmers, environmentalists
Europe sees the trade deal with the South American regional trading bloc Mercosur as a chance to open new markets and strengthen is hand. But resistance to the deal is unlikely to let up anytime soon.Ferenc Gaál (Deutsche Welle)
India asks Germany for help in search for EU free trade deal
India asks Germany for help in search for EU free trade deal
Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul said in Delhi that while others, like the US, erected trade barriers, Germany and India should lower them. His Indian counterpart said "we're counting on your support" in EU trade talks.Mark Hallam (Deutsche Welle)
Two Venezuelan fighter jets fly over US warship in ‘show of force’
Two Venezuelan fighter jets fly over US warship in ‘show of force’
The Pentagon argues that the ‘highly provocative move was designed to interfere’ with its ‘counter narcoterrorism operations’Nicholas Dale Leal (Ediciones EL PAÍS S.L.)
‘Someone needs to answer for what happened’: Lisbon reacts to streetcar crash that killed 16
‘Someone needs to answer for what happened’: Lisbon reacts to streetcar crash that killed 16
Residents recall smoke, screams and a mountain of bodies at site of ‘one of the biggest tragedies in our recent history’Guardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
Anatomy of a coup plot: why former President Jair Bolsonaro is on trial
Anatomy of a coup plot: why Jair Bolsonaro is on trial
The former Brazilian president and seven close allies are awaiting judgment – and conviction is seen as highly likelyTiago Rogero (The Guardian)
European Commission set to launch restructure within months
The “large scale review” will look to streamline the 32,000-strong executive, a document seen by POLITICO reveals.
Plans to overhaul the EU’s executive arm will be brought forward by the start of next year at the latest, leaked documents reveal, with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen pushing for a restructure to make its labyrinthine civil service more efficient and cost-effective.
According to a document seen by POLITICO, the bloc’s budget and public administration chief Piotr Serafin has been tasked with “a large-scale review of the Commission’s organisation and operations, together with an external benchmarking exercise.”
together with an external benchmarking exercise
In other words, a few tens of millions of euros thrown at consulting firms, resulting in a few PowerPoint decks.
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Trump and Putin both agree: Blame falls on Europe as Ukraine peace effort languishes
Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are on the same page again.
The US and Russian presidents are now both singling out Europe as stasis envelops efforts to end the Ukraine war three weeks after their high-profile but low-impact summit in Alaska.
Trump called on Europe to do more in a call with European leaders on Thursday — even though the only incremental diplomatic activity to do with the war is coming from US transatlantic allies as they try to work out security guarantees to protect Ukraine after any peace deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/05/politics/trump-putin-russia-ukraine-war-zelensky-china-analysis
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Europe needs to put on their big boy pants and see Russia for what it is, a fucking monster than needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth.
I grew up under the constant threat of world-ending nuclear annihilation from those goddamned animals. Got a little better once the Soviet Union fell and the gangsters took over. And now we're almost back to square one.
Russia needs dismantled, with extreme violence. Anyway, that's why I got banned from reddit.
Most Russians are good people too. We've got to stop thinking in these kinds of terms or we'll never get along with each other long term.
We just need to stop all the violence and to mean it.
The problem is war is good for business and good for dictators. But even democratic nations talk a lot of shit. It's all dishonest.
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Colombian mercenaries join Rapid Support Forces fighting in Sudan
Colombian mercenaries join Rapid Support Forces fighting in Sudan
Colombian mercenaries, most of them army veterans, are recruited for their expertise gained from fighting the FARC guerrilla group.Judith Renoult (Le Monde)
Russian rocket attack kills two deminers from Danish Refugee Council in Ukraine
Russian rocket attack kills two deminers from Danish Refugee Council in Ukraine
The strike hit near the outskirts of the regional capital of Chernihiv, 125 kilometers north of Kyiv. The Danish Refugee Council (DRC) said Thursday that the Russian rocket had hit one of its demining sites.Le Monde with AFP (Le Monde)
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Russia is leader in prosthetic limbs thanks to Ukraine war, says Kremlin official
Russia is leader in prosthetic limbs thanks to Ukraine war, says Kremlin official
Deputy defence minister Anna Tsivilyova said those coming back from the battlefield had become a ‘driver’ in pushing Russia’s innovation in prostheticsGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
UK exit from European Convention of Human Rights ‘would remove foundations of Good Friday agreement’ says Irish deputy PM
UK exit from ECHR ‘would remove foundations of Good Friday agreement’
Peace deal cannot be ‘negotiated away’ by British political figures who want to quit ECHR, says Irish deputy PMLisa O’Carroll (The Guardian)
Putin rejects Western security in Ukraine, warning troops would be target
Putin rejects Western security in Ukraine, warning troops would be target
The Russian leader's refusal comes after 26 countries pledged to deploy troops to Ukraine in the event of a ceasefire.Paul Kirby (BBC News)
I don't think the BBC does a good enough job of connecting the dots here. This position only makes sense if you believe either:
1. that Europe is going to use this as a jumping-off point to invade Russia or her allies; or
2. that Ukraine is not a sovereign country.
1 is not credible given that Europe has been a pretty peaceful neighbour for 80 years, whereas Russia has invaded a bunch of countries.
So this really demonstrates Putin's belief that Ukraine should not have control over her own territory, that Ukraine can have some autonomy but at the end of the day needs to submit to Russia's will. Russia doesn't want to admit this to the West because it harms Russia's credibility, so this little argument really deserves to be made clearer.
New Māori queen brings hope for New Zealand in first speech: ‘Being Māori is forever’
New Māori queen brings hope for New Zealand in first speech: ‘Being Māori is forever’
In her first public address, Nga wai hono i te po spoke of unity and said Māori must ‘walk a new path’Eva Corlett (The Guardian)
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Nope. Maori deserve release from this nonsense too.
Also, lol at the very native, very traditional "koronahaiea ceremony". What a very coincidental word for it! About as Maori as, well, half the Kiwis claiming to be Maori actually.
Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra leaves Thailand days ahead of court ruling that could see him jailed
Former PM Thaksin Shinawatra leaves Thailand days ahead of court ruling that could see him jailed
After questions over whether the former prime minister was going back into exile, Thaksin said he would return no later than Monday to attend courtRebecca Ratcliffe (The Guardian)
Will Smith’s comeback has been a disaster – but does the punishment fit the crime?
I don't care for the slap. Like, I really, really don't care.
I don't see his failed comeback as punishment, it's just evidence he can't make anything good anymore.
He's not owed a comeback, and failing to comeback is not 'punishment'
Sweden accuses Russia of GPS jamming over Baltic Sea
Sweden says Russia behind surge in GPS jamming over Baltic Sea
Interferences to satellite navigational systems occur almost daily, aviation officials say.Aoife Walsh (BBC News)
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The STA report comes days after a plane carrying Ursula von der Leyen was hit by interference.The pilots of the European Commission president's plane reportedly had to land using paper maps, but did so safely.
Might be a otherwise well made video. But that intro instantly tingled my spidey senses?
Two spy satelites built in the 90s which gathered dust for 20 years and got handed down to NASA were more advanced then the hubble space telescope?
Yeah, but funding and work started on hubble in 70s and it launched in 1990. With that in mind its a lot less 'amazing'. Also i dont know what more advanced means in this case? Whats the qualifiers or the metrics? Like a space telescope which gathers light for days and weeks to get a picture is built to different specs than a spy satelite which has to take pictures in fractions of a second to get a clean picture.
Also the 'interesting feature' of having a short focal length isnt that interesting? They're spy satelites, what else are they supposed to focus on? The secret nazi base on the dark side of the moon?
Either he is just sloppy with his analogy for what is to come in the video or he deliberatly insults my intelligence to paint a picture which eases me in for his following takes. In both cases it doesnt give me any confidence to invest 2 hours of my life.
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It's such a minor part of the video that I didn't put too much thought into it, but ironically the point of the video is that we shouldn't overlook small 'glitches', so you're quite right to look into it critically I think!
The video is more focused on the history of Israel, and computation's role in that. With that in mind, I think you're right. It's almost definitely some sensationalism up top to warm the crowd.
Riddick3001
in reply to Riddick3001 • • •Overall, it seems Putin and Trump prefer to continue escalating the situation. Their rethoric mounts to something like this:
" Why can't Europe & Ukraine just behave, and do as they are told."
Seems again, both oligarchs don't want a peaceful solution. Unfortunately, we are running out of options here.
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takeda
in reply to n3m37h • • •Not in this setup. He makes issues even selling weapons to Ukraine.
He likely is getting personal money for sabotaging Ukraine (most likely by the shit coins he set up)
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in reply to takeda • • •takeda
in reply to n3m37h • • •What he did is to make Europe desperately look to produce as much weapons as they can to replace US ones.
Also MIC was huge during could war, but does it really matter today? Put Boeing or Lockheed Martin next to Apple, Google, Amazing etc It is no longer significant compared with tech industry.
Skiluros
in reply to n3m37h • • •A dumb take considering the imperialist (and genocidal) history of russia.
They weren't doing good in the 90s, didn't stop them for invading Moldova, Ichkeria and getting involved in the Caucasus with malicious intentions.
n3m37h
in reply to Skiluros • • •Russia economy is currently running off of war. If it ends Russia is fucked as the only other money maker they have is oil and it will be a good decadw before they can get back to pre war production.
Maybe ya should read General Smedley Buttlers 'War is a racket'
Skiluros
in reply to n3m37h • • •What does this have to do with russian imperialism?
Was the russian economy running off of war in the 90s too?
Does Smedly Buttlers speak russian? I am genuinely curious.
n3m37h
in reply to Skiluros • • •Read the damn speech
1990 ≠ 2025
It doesnt matter, he explains why war is a racket with in depth personal knowledge of why it is.
Putin is a power hungry goblin, in this world money is power.
If ya don't understand that then you shouldnt be replying
Skiluros
in reply to n3m37h • • •No, chances are I have more in-depth personal knowledge of war than that fellow (don't forget, the russians invaded in 2014).
To claim that all of war is based on cold war era "military industrial complex" polemics is ahistorical and doesn't align with reality.
If that speech is as relevant as you claim, you should have no problems with explaining in 3-5 sentences how it is relevant in the context of this discussion.
n3m37h
in reply to Skiluros • • •Well no point in going any further wirh this convo, you think you know more about war and what a military complex is than a general who had served in multiple wars, all while you dont know what a military industrial complex is. You have 0 interest in learning what it is. Also Smedley wrote the speech in 1934 before there was WWII, yet alone cold war. And the military industrial complex was alive then too.
No, it can not be summed up in 3-5 sentences, thag ia why he wrote the fucking speech, read the damn speech, ya wasted more time writing this than it would have taken to read the fucking thing.
mrdown
in reply to Skiluros • • •Skiluros
in reply to mrdown • • •No, this is incorrect.
Not all western countries sell weapons to Israel.
And you need to read up on russian history (at least 20th century).
One thing that I learned after moving to Lemmy is how vapid, trope-like and uninspired western "leftists" are in their thinking.
No wonder we have the rise of Donald Trump and significant gains among far right/pro-corruption forces.
There are of course other factors too (information age etc.), but I digress.
mrdown
in reply to Skiluros • • •The most powererful ones does sell weapons to israel though. Even buying from them allow israel to use thay money to reinvest in the genocide
When you read history you see how the other was as bad as russisn history of bloody especially the usa
Skiluros
in reply to mrdown • • •You clearly have no clue what you are talking if you think russia is anywhere close to the US.
It would be like if during the invasion of Iraq, the US annexed Basra, banned Islam, sent anyone caught speaking arabic into basement torture camps and sent hundreds of thousand Iraqi children to Texas and made them eat pork chops and read about how great US oligarchs are.
So you were wrong about all western countries selling weapons to Israel.
phutatorius
in reply to Skiluros • • •Leftist here. Those sockpuppets and fools have nothing to do with what I or anyone I know believes.
humanoidchaos
in reply to n3m37h • • •Not just the poors, but it's usually the meatheads that get sent to war. On both sides, you'll find some of the most deplorable people are the most entrenched in war culture. They don't value their lives and see themselves as having no better options.
I hope one day we understand some of the philosophy behind war, and whether or not it's necessary when there are "too many soldiers."
gravitas_deficiency
in reply to Riddick3001 • • •K
Then Russian troops in Ukraine would be legitimate targets for western troops
Your move
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in reply to kreskin • • •Does this mean that US will guarantee the backstop?
kreskin
in reply to Riddick3001 • • •Are we waiting on the US to approve or disapprove every political action in the world? Or after Ukraine has managed to hold Russia to almost no territorial gains for years are we pretending Russia is an unstoppable and well funded military force?
If citizens in other countries want to be slaves to the crazy US, I guess thats ok. Get me another latte.
hark
in reply to kreskin • • •Too late. The US already has a ton of influence here and is currently content with supplying Ukraine with just enough to hold off Russia but nothing more. If the other western countries increase their support, the US will just scale back an equal amount.
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in reply to kreskin • • •Ziggurat
in reply to kreskin • • •This assumes a full blown war. Not sending just mechanics to maintain the F16 given to Ukraine and a bunch of training officer.
Moreover, while I doubt Russia can win a conventional war, Russia is more than machine gun mounted a Toyota pick up trucks, 20year old kids will die, and not sure western government are ready for it, especially with the weight of pro Russian politicians. This is how you loose a war despite a "mathematical" advantage
kreskin
in reply to Ziggurat • • •mrdown
in reply to Riddick3001 • • •like this
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Echo Dot
in reply to Riddick3001 • • •What does that even mean? How do you violate someone else's standards that you didn't agree to, that's not "violating" anything, that's just them not liking it.
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GreenKnight23
in reply to Riddick3001 • • •all world leaders should be forced to have an explosive device surgically implanted into their chests to take office.
at any time the people of their country can take a vote to remove them from office, and if passed detonates the explosive at a random time in a 24 hour window after the vote has been validated.
Riddick3001
in reply to GreenKnight23 • • •Imagine that." The people have voted today...."
Well..they'll find out soon enough.
Also, most worldleaders aren't as extreme, but for sure " 100% democracy proof" implant would be an insurance/ h
Guilvareux
in reply to Riddick3001 • • •I would like it to be like in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.
“At the sound of the cann…” BOOM
Phoenixz
in reply to GreenKnight23 • • •Phoenixz
in reply to Riddick3001 • • •Give it a try, see how well that goes
The actual western troops will bring the actual western weapons and in a non nuclear war, Russia will fold, even with the somewhat limited amount of weapons that Europe currently has
Russia can barely keep up with Ukraine having very limited western support. If the real weapons are taken out, they will be fucked.
Doomsider
in reply to Phoenixz • • •humanoidchaos
in reply to Phoenixz • • •We've already seen mercenaries from the West get killed by Russians.
You believe a lot of bullshit.
HasturInYellow
in reply to humanoidchaos • • •According to governments and most citizens, mercenaries are different from the states own military. The results would be different.
I am still just pissed that they keep killing people in general but hey, I guess I'm the weird one.
GuGu
in reply to Riddick3001 • • •MonkderVierte
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