West Point cancels ceremony to honor Tom Hanks as ‘outstanding US citizen’
In addition to his storied acting career, Hanks served as national spokesperson for the World War II Memorial in Washington DC and supported the late Republican senator Bob Dole’s fundraiser to create the Dwight D Eisenhower Memorial, according to the alumni association’s original announcement.
It’s not clear how honoring Hanks conflicts with “preparing cadets”, but the actor has donated to Democrats; received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Barack Obama; and endorsed Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election.
Since taking office a second time, Donald Trump has taken a litany of actions against his perceived enemies. For example, he has revoked the security clearances and details of some people in the Biden administration and of people who served in his first administration whom he deemed “bad” or “disloyal”; blocked some news organizations from the Pentagon workspace and White House press pool; and revoked security clearances of – and investigated – law firms that were “very, very dishonest”.
West Point cancels ceremony to honor Tom Hanks as ‘outstanding US citizen’
Little known about decision, although Hanks, who has advocated for military memorials, also voted for BidenEric Berger (The Guardian)
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How Generative AI Video Works | Computerphile [27:32]
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Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.www.youtube.com
Some French publishers are giving AI revenue directly to journalists. Could that ever happen in the U.S.?
Some French publishers are giving AI revenue directly to journalists. Could that ever happen in the U.S.?
Le Monde agreed to give journalists 25% of revenue from licensing deals with OpenAI and Perplexity. Now, other French publishers are following suit.Nieman Lab
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Put down your phone and engage in boredom – how philosophy can help with digital overload
Put down your phone and engage in boredom – how philosophy can help with digital overload
Avoiding boredom means we are denying ourselves access to our whole selves.The Conversation
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We risk a deluge of AI-written ‘science’ pushing corporate interests – here’s what to do about it
We risk a deluge of AI-written ‘science’ pushing corporate interests – here’s what to do about it
We have to tighten up on what research policymakers rely on, and also the inner workings of peer review.The Conversation
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Trump’s Crypto Dealings Now Have the Perfect Cover
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The Trumps have never been known for their subtlety: They like to do things fast, big, and loud. This is especially so in the context of cryptocurrency, a noisy and chaotic industry by nature. Remember our president’s collection of NFTs? Among the depictions on these digital trading cards is a portrait of Donald Trump in an Iron Man–inspired suit, accompanied by the caption “SUPERTRUMP.” Or how about the $TRUMP meme coin and accompanying gamified gala dinner for its biggest investors
The Trump Crypto Empire Is Growing Up
In recent weeks, the family has dressed up its business dealings in the veneer of legitimacy.Will Gottsegen (The Atlantic)
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People who complain that crypto is a "pyramid scheme" or whatever are correct, but they fail to realize that capitalism is a pyramid scheme at best. I mean the biggest stock last year was a fascist surveillance company... And stuff like this is exactly why crypto will continue to succeed under capitalism.
It's a casino economy. Our lives have already been sold for chips. The branding of the chips doesn't actually matter but improved chip technology does. Casinos aren't actually using the same chips from the 1800s but the state is.
'Godfather of AI' says the technology will create massive unemployment and send profits soaring — 'that is the capitalist system'
‘Godfather of AI’ says the technology will create massive unemployment and send profits soaring — ‘that is the capitalist system’
"We are at a point in history where something amazing is happening, and it may be amazingly good, and it may be amazingly bad."Jason Ma (Fortune)
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He's very clearly saying it's the problem with the system by assigning fault:
“What’s actually going to happen is rich people are going to use AI to replace workers,” Hinton said. “It’s going to create massive unemployment and a huge rise in profits. It will make a few people much richer and most people poorer. That’s not AI’s fault, that is the capitalist system.”
ChatGPT struggles to answer whether a "seehorse" emoji exists.
ChatGPT Struggles to Answer Whether a "Seehorse" emoji exists.
Inside the Kimsuky Leak: How the “Kim” Dump Exposed North Korea’s Credential Theft Playbook
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A rare and revealing breach attributed to a North Korean-affiliated actor, known only as “Kim” as named by the hackers who dumped the data, has delivered a new insight into Kimsuky (APT43) tactics, techniques, and infrastructure. This actor’s operational profile showcases credential-focused intrusions targeting South Korean and Taiwanese networks, with a blending of Chinese-language tooling, infrastructure, and possible logistical support. The “Kim” dump, which includes bash histories, phishing domains, OCR workflows, compiled stagers, and rootkit evidence, reflects a hybrid operation situated between DPRK attribution and Chinese resource utilization.
This report is broken down into three parts:
- Technical Analysis of the dump materials
- Motivation and Goals of the APT actor (group)
- A CTI report compartment for analystsWhile this leak only gives a partial idea of what the Kimusky/PRC activities have been, the material provides insight into the expansion of activities, nature of the actor(s), and goals they have in their penetration of the South Korean governmental systems that would benefit not only DPRK, but also PRC.
Without a doubt, there will be more coming out from this dump in the future, particularly if the burned assets have not been taken offline and access is still available, or if others have cloned those assets for further analysis. We may revisit this in the future if additional novel information comes to light.
Inside the Kimsuky Leak: How the “Kim” Dump Exposed North Korea’s Credential Theft Playbook - DomainTools Investigations | DTI
A rare and revealing breach attributed to a North Korean-affiliated actor, known only as “Kim” as named by the hackers who dumped the data, has delivered a new insight into Kimsuky (APT43) tactics, techniques, and infrastructure.DomainTools Investigations | DTI
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More than 425 arrested as protesters defy ban on Palestine Action in London
More than 425 people have been arrested at the largest demonstration yet opposing the proscription of Palestine Action.
Defend Our Juries, who organised the demonstrations, said there were 1,500 sign-holders in Parliament Square on Saturday at a fresh protest in London against the ban. At the previous major demonstration last month, 532 people were arrested for taking part. Participants gathered in Parliament Square by 1pm, many holding signs that read: “I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action.”
At just after 9pm, the Metropolitan police said it had made more than 425 arrests. The Met’s deputy assistant commissioner, Claire Smart, who led the operation, said: “In carrying out their duties today, our officers have been punched, kicked, spat on and had objects thrown at them by protesters. It is intolerable that those whose job it is to enforce the law and keep people safe – in this case arresting individuals committing offences under the Terrorism Act – should be subject to this level of abuse.”
Police make arrests at London Palestine Action ban protest
More than 1,000 people have pledged to risk arrest in what is billed as the largest protest since group was proscribedSammy Gecsoyler (The Guardian)
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South Korea vows 'all-out efforts' to help hundreds detained in raid at Hyundai facility in Georgia
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/35547943
South Korea's Foreign Minister Cho Hyun said he was “deeply concerned” and felt “heavy responsibilities for the arrests of our citizens.”South Korean President Lee Jae-myung ordered “all-out efforts” to respond to the arrests of hundreds of its citizens in an immigration raid on a Hyundai facility in Georgia, as the key American ally and trading partner reeled from the news.
Federal and immigration agents arrested 475 people — mostly South Korean nationals — while executing a judicial search warrant as part of a criminal investigation into alleged unlawful employment at the facility.
At an emergency government meeting Saturday, South Korea’s Foreign Minister Cho Hyun said he was “deeply concerned” and felt “heavy responsibilities for the arrests of our citizens.”
The foreign ministry told NBC News that the government had set up a response team and that Cho was prepared to travel to Washington to meet officials if needed, while Cho reiterated earlier remarks made by Lee that the rights of South Koreans “must be not unjustly infringed.”
South Korea vows 'all-out efforts' to help hundreds detained in raid at Hyundai facility in Georgia
South Korean President Lee Jae-myung ordered all out efforts to respond to the arrests of its citizens in an immigration raid on a Hyundai facility in Georgia.Stella Kim (NBC News)
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Ah, so they were doing dodgy shit.
Arresting everyone is completely over the top, but it sounds like there were genuine issues to be resolved.
US Dept of Justice says names of two associates Jeffrey Epstein wired $100k and $250k to should stay secret
DOJ says names of two associates Epstein wired $100k and $250k to should stay secret
Justice Department says the names of two Jeffrey Epstein associates who he wired $100,000 and $250,000 and helped protect from prosecution should stay secret.Tom Winter (NBC News)
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Israel to bring influencers and officials in global PR campaign
As part of the war of awareness against the anti-Israel narrative worldwide, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs led by Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar is promoting an unprecedented move in its scope: By the end of December, approximately 400 delegations are expected to arrive in Israel, including over 5,000 participants who will help spread the Israeli narrative in the international media and to international audiences.
The delegations include a wide range of participants, including government officials and elected officials, journalists and influencers, academics, legal, religious, cultural and sports figures. For comparison, so far, in an average year, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has brought only 25 delegations to Israel.
The decision to "concentrate effort" on delegations, with an investment of approximately 135 million NIS, comes after studies that have shown the effectiveness of the tool in the war of consciousness, bringing public opinion multipliers to Israel, who, after their visit to Israel, spread the Israeli narrative on social media and in the communities in which they are active. A notable example of this was Caitlyn Jenner's visit, who was brought to Israel during Operation Rising Lion and her content from Israel were exposed to millions of people.
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Meta AI may be scanning your camera roll photos without your consent
Is Meta AI scanning your camera roll? Here's how to check | Proton
Remember giving Facebook access to your camera roll? Some users don't, so Meta AI could be scanning their photos right now. See how to check.Proton
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Wonderful decision.
Gambling businesses are loved by Oligarchs, thugs, and criminal scum. It's an activity incompatible with democracy.
One of the reason I think Australia is not a real democracy is because it's a nation of gambling addicts. To be honest, I have never been there, but everything I hear in the media about Australia is extremely negative in that regard.
Basically, Australians are completely addicted to gambling and it's now destroying their entire society. Even their Australian government prostitutes itself to gambling companies. Recently, rich gambling Australians created a streaming platform where a french streamer was violently beaten to death. That's alarming.
In recent years, the USA embraced massive online gambling. Americans love to buy the latest cryptoshitcoin and Musk meme stocks. No wonder the same US population embraced Trump.
Gambling is a cancer. Thank you India.
Belgian PM De Wever still supports reunification of Belgium and the Netherlands
Despite the fact that Bart De Wever (N-VA) is now the Prime Minister of Belgium, the Flemish nationalist still supports the idea of a reunification of Belgium and the Netherlands, he said on Dutch radio this week.
De Wever has been Prime Minister of Belgium since February 2025, but he is well-known for his outspoken views on greater autonomy for Flanders. Speaking on the Dutch radio programme Sven op 1, however, he stressed that he was not advocating for dividing Belgium, but for the reunification of the Low Countries.
"I am not talking about detaching Flanders, I am talking about the reunification of the entire Southern Netherlands. However, the enthusiasm in the south is perhaps somewhat less than in the north," he said.
Belgian PM De Wever still supports reunification of Belgium and the Netherlands
"I am convinced that the separation of the Netherlands in the 16th century is the greatest disaster that has ever befallen us."www.brusselstimes.com
Belgium always appeared to me as this weird mixture of people that more or less begrudgingly work together but threaten to go back home to their parents every now and then.
I remember during highschool some twenty odd years ago, giving a short presentation about then current political events in Belgium and how the country could split if the situation was not resolved.
“We [Don't] Care About Your Privacy”
"We [Don't] Care About Your Privacy" - Privacy Guides
Being able to distinguish facts from marketing lies is an essential skill in today's world. Despite all the privacy washing, there are clues we can look for to help.Privacy Guides
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More than 7,000 under-fives in Gaza put in malnutrition recovery in two-week period
More than 7,000 children under the age of five were put on recovery programmes for acute malnutrition at clinics run by Unicef in Gaza in just two weeks last month, figures reveal.
The overall total for August is being compiled by Unicef but is expected to exceed 15,000 new patients, more than seven times the total in February.
A famine was declared in Gaza City, in the north of the devastated territory, last month, but other towns farther south are “fast catching up”, officials from the agency said.
“On the ground, it is crystal clear that people are starving, that there is a famine unfolding in Gaza City, and Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis [two southern cities in Gaza] are not far behind,” said Tess Ingram, a spokesperson with Unicef who has spent recent days in Gaza City.
More than 7,000 under-fives in Gaza put in malnutrition recovery in two-week period
Unicef says it expects total for August to exceed 15,000 new patients, more than seven times February figureJason Burke (The Guardian)
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I dont get the need to compare suffering.
Imo you desecrate both Holacaust victims and the Palestine people in their identity, experience and pain.
Just keep it simple and call Israeli Gvement and especially Netanyahu fucking (genocidal) murderers and Fascist.
Trump threatens 'Apocalypse Now' style action against Chicago to boost deportations
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A goodbye to kbin ...
Like many others, when the reddit APIcalypse happened, I moved to the fediverse. Like many, I wasn't sure what it really consisted of, how it worked, or what instance to move to. Eventually I decided to sign up with kbin.social. Ernest was welcoming, the instance was friendly with a nice mix of topics, the community was great, having access to both threadiverse and microblogs was great, and I loved it.
And then Ernest started having health issues and the instance became unstable. Eventually I moved to fedia/mbin, which I enjoy a lot, but I just haven't quite felt that same sense of belonging - I don't know, maybe the new job just kept me away a bit too much, or I'm getting old, or just been through too many changes. But I've kept kbin on my launch page, and sometimes I find myself a bit wistful for it.
I poked at the internet, and the kbin.social domain expires in a few days, on 10 September, which I suppose will be a formal end to the project. In memory of kbin, I'd like thank Ernest: wherever you are, I hope you are well and enjoying your life. Thank you for the concepts behind and your work on kbin; I love the bridging of the microblogs and threadiverse. And thank you for making the transition to the fediverse less confusing to this old redditor. I wish you the best in life, and thank you again.
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I dunno, for me it's painfully obvious what the correct social media successors are.
Lemmy for reddit.
Friendica for facebook.
Pixelfed for instagram.
Mastodon for twitter.
Matrix for discord.
Peertube for youtube.
Scientists tap 'secret' fresh water under the ocean, raising hopes for a thirsty world
This summer, a first-of-its-kind global research expedition followed up on that surprise. Drilling for fresh water under the salt water off Cape Cod, Expedition 501 extracted thousands of samples from what is now thought to be a massive, hidden aquifer stretching from New Jersey as far north as Maine.
It's just one of many depositories of "secret fresh water" known to exist in shallow salt waters around the world that might some day be tapped to slake the planet's intensifying thirst, said Brandon Dugan, the expedition's co-chief scientist.
"We need to look for every possibility we have to find more water for society," Dugan, a geophysicist and hydrologist at the Colorado School of Mines, told Associated Press journalists who recently spent 12 hours on the drilling platform. The research teams looked in "one of the last places you would probably look for fresh water on Earth."
Scientists tap 'secret' fresh water under the ocean, raising hopes for a thirsty world
Deep in Earth's past, an icy landscape became a seascape as the ice melted and the oceans rose off what is now the northeastern United States. Nearly 50 years ago, a U.S.CALVIN WOODWARD (Phys.org)
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Study: There is less room to store carbon dioxide, driver of climate change, than previously thought
The study, published Wednesday in the journal Nature, found that global carbon storage capacity was 10 times less than previous estimates after ruling out geological formations where the gas could leak, trigger earthquakes or contaminate groundwater, or had other limitations. That means carbon capture and storage would only have the potential to reduce human-caused warming by 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.26 Fahrenheit)—far less than previous estimates of around 5-6 degrees Celsius (9-10.8 degrees Fahrenheit), researchers said.
"Carbon storage is often portrayed as a way out of the climate crisis. Our findings make clear that it is a limited tool" and reaffirms "the extreme importance of reducing emissions as fast and as soon as possible," said lead author Matthew Gidden, a research professor at the University Maryland's Center for Global Sustainability. The study was led by the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis, where Gidden also is a senior researcher in the energy, climate and environment program.
Study: There is less room to store carbon dioxide, driver of climate change, than previously thought
The world has far fewer places to securely store carbon dioxide deep underground than previously thought, steeply lowering its potential to help stem global warming, according to a new study that challenges long-held industry claims about the practic…Tammy Webber (Phys.org)
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GOP may finally succeed in unrelenting quest to kill two NASA climate satellites
GOP may finally succeed in unrelenting quest to kill two NASA climate satellites
One scientist says it’s like buying a car and running it into a tree to save on gas money.Stephen Clark (Ars Technica)
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US special forces killed N Korean civilians during botched mission: Report
US Navy SEALs killed several North Korean fishermen after encountering them by accident during a botched mission, US news outlet reports.
edit: Happened in 2019. Revealed recently.
US Navy SEALs killed North Korean civilians during botched mission: Report
US special forces killed several North Korean fishermen diving for shellfish after encountering them by accident.Al Jazeera
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Peru rejects creation of Amazon reserve to protect uncontacted tribes, drawing Indigenous outcry
BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — Peru’s Congress rejected Friday a proposal to create a long-delayed Amazon reserve meant to protect uncontacted Indigenous tribes living in voluntary isolation along the border with Brazil.
Advocates for the reserve say the decision leaves the remote forest vulnerable to logging, mining and other incursions, and deals a setback to a plan that has languished for more than two decades despite legal obligations to establish it.
Francisco Hernández Cayetano, president of the Federation of Ticuna and Yagua Communities of the Lower Amazon, said the commission’s rejection “shows its anti-Indigenous face in the 21st century” and signals it does not care about “the environment, the water, the culture and everything as a whole.”
He told The Associated Press that without Indigenous peoples, the Amazon and its tributaries “would already have been wiped out” and called the decision “a very hard blow from our own state, which should instead protect us.” He said his group plans to conduct additional studies and take further action before resubmitting the proposal to the Ministry of Culture, adding that the years of delay have only served to “promote more bills against Indigenous peoples to strip them of their territory.”
The 1.17 million-hectare (2.9 million-acre) Yavari Mirim Indigenous Reserve — roughly the size of Jamaica — would have protected five uncontacted tribes from outside encroachment for the first time. The Matses, Matis, Korubo, Kulina-Pano and Flecheiro, also known as Tavakina, live in voluntary isolation with no sustained contact with the outside world, leaving them highly vulnerable to disease and exploitation.
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South Korean President Escalates After Trump Summit, Vows to Target 'Far-Right' Critics, Including Americans
South Korean President Lee Jae Myung pledged this week to go after "far-right" critics both at home and abroad, following his recent White House summit with President Trump. The move has raised alarm among U.S. officials over potential infringement on free expression and transnational repression tactics.Lee met with Trump on Aug. 25 at the White House to discuss trade, defense, shipbuilding and other strategic issues. But tensions were visible — Lee stayed at a hotel instead of the traditional Blair House, was greeted by lower-level officials, and left without attending a formal state dinner.
South Korean President Escalates After Trump Summit, Vows to Target 'Far-Right' Critics, Including Americans
South Korean President Lee Jae Myung vowed to target "far-right" critics at home and abroad after his White House summit with Donald Trump, raising concerns over transnational repression and U.S.–ROK...Eric Hamilton (HNGN - Headlines & Global News)
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Good.
Honestly, I have a ton of respect for South Korea, especially after seeing how swiftly and decisively they handled their treasonous president.
(please take me, S. K.)
Prison time, fines and ostracisation: anti-gay law shocks community in African country seen as relatively safe
cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/48040109
Jail terms of up to five years for ‘promoting homosexuality’ in Burkina Faso latest in push for ‘family values’ sweeping the continentArchived version: archive.is/newest/theguardian.…
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Prison time, fines and ostracisation: anti-gay law shocks community in African country seen as relatively safe
Jail terms of up to five years for ‘promoting homosexuality’ in Burkina Faso latest in push for ‘family values’ sweeping the continent
Archived version: archive.is/newest/theguardian.…Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.
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This is only because the local religion decided that it's going to push it's LGBTQ hate agenda, as it exists in their religious hate book.
Religions are the cause of almost all LGBTQ hate. When they say they're about peace, love, and friendship - that's a LIE!
The US just sanctioned three leading Palestinian human rights NGOs over ICC support
cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/48040102
The US is further complicit in Israel's war crimes by providing political and legal cover for them, & we spoke to Amnesty about the sanctions.Archived version: archive.is/newest/thecanary.co…
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The US just sanctioned three leading Palestinian human rights NGOs over ICC support
The US is further complicit in Israel's war crimes by providing political and legal cover for them, & we spoke to Amnesty about the sanctions.
Archived version: archive.is/newest/thecanary.co…Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.
US sanctions three Palestinian human rights NGO for ICC support
The US is further complicit in Israel's war crimes by providing political and legal cover for them, & we spoke to Amnesty about the sanctions.Charlie Jaay (The Canary)
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Jamaica's Labour Party wins third term promising tax cuts
KINGSTON, Sept 4 (Reuters) - Jamaica's ruling Labour Party declared victory in general elections, ushering in a third consecutive term for Prime Minister Andrew Holness who ran on promises of tax cuts.
Preliminary figures gave 34 seats to his Jamaica Labour Party and 29 to the rival People's National Party, with a voter turnout of 39.5%, the Electoral Commission of Jamaica said on X.
"This was not an easy victory. Make no mistake about it, this was a fight," Holness said in a televised speech late on Wednesday after People's National Party leader Mark Golding conceded defeat.
Holness campaigned on his government's economic record, saying it had brought prosperity to the Caribbean country with a low unemployment rate of 3.3% and reductions in poverty and crime.
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Reform's Farage vows to start preparing for government to make UK 'great again'
- Populist leader offers clearer view of a possible Reform UK government
- Says it would end arrivals of illegal migrants by boat in two weeks
- Farage, a Brexit veteran and Trump ally, says main parties are in meltdown
- Reform UK riding high in opinion polls, though still behind major parties in donations
- Farage suggests next election might come earlier than 2029
BIRMINGHAM, England, Sept 5 (Reuters) - British populist leader Nigel Farage vowed on Friday to start preparing for government, saying the nation's two main parties were in meltdown and only his Reform UK could ease the anger and despair plaguing the country to "make Britain great again".
To a prolonged standing ovation by a crowd at the annual party conference, Farage for the first time offered a vision of how Britain would be under a Reform government: He pledged to end the arrival of illegal migrants in boats in two weeks, bring back "stop-and-search" policing and scrap net zero policies.
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Reuters withdraws Xi, Putin longevity video after China state TV pulls legal permission to use it
Sept 5 (Reuters) - Reuters News on Friday withdrew a four-minute video containing an exchange between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping discussing the possibility that humans can live to 150 years old, after China state TV demanded its removal and withdrew the legal permission to use it.
The footage, which included the open mic exchange from the military parade in Beijing marking the 80th anniversary of the end of World War Two, was licensed by the China state television network, China Central Television (CCTV).
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Statement on discourse about ActivityPub and AT Protocol by W3C SocialCG
Over the past few months in particular, the Social Web Community Group has seen an increase in heated discussions online that have been arguing protocol superiority and creating conflict between ActivityPub and AT Protocol, or trying to promote one over the other. These discussions have generally not been productive, created contention within the community that stands in the way of collaboration, and been a hotbed for conflict, disagreements, and misinformation. There has often been significant biases exhibited within these conversations.ActivtyPub in its current usage does make different design decisions to AT Protocol, but ActivityPub is not necessarily that different from AT Protocol: both are open social web protocols.
There is an entire section of the ActivityPub specification that isn't as well known or widely adopted but which, at a high level, provides fairly similar ideas to those emphasized within the AT Protocol community for separation between data, identity and applications. Recently, a taskforce within the Social Web Community Group has been established to advance what is now known as the ActivityPub API.
Whilst we may have our differences at present, over time those gaps will narrow, as we share a lot more in common than we have differences.
There does not have to be a “winning” protocol. We do not build a better open social web for everyone by fighting and arguing about protocol superiority. That is not how we achieve a better open social web. Instead, we must work together, cross-pollinate and share ideas, and participate within each other's communities with respect and mutual understanding. Arguing between us only emboldens those that seek to derail and destroy efforts to build an open social web.
The practice of collaboration outside of our own groups has a long history within the standards community, whether that is with competing companies working together on standards or protocols, or collaboration between different standards bodies like the W3C and IETF.
There has already been cross-pollination of ideas between the people working on ActivityPub and AT Protocol. For example, AT Protocol adopted an internet draft that was originally written to support the ActivityPub ecosystem, and projects within ActivityPub have adopted some ideas on content labeling and starter packs from the AT Protocol ecosystem.
Both ActivityPub and AT Protocol can and do co-exist. This co-existence is perhaps best emphasized by the outstanding work of Bridgy Fed project, which connects ActivityPub, AT Protocol, and other protocols together allowing for interoperability and community that crosses between protocols. If you wanted to summarise this letter on a t-shirt, it would be “People > Protocols > Platforms”.
This statement is a call for cooling the temperature of discussions and a reminder to be respectful of each other and the huge amount of work everyone is putting in to build a better open social web. We do not win by tearing each other down, which only emboldens and empowers those who do not want either protocol to succeed.
This statement was written following an initial discussion at this month's Social Web Community Group meeting, and has been reviewed by several members of the CG.
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General issue tracker for the group. Contribute to swicg/general development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
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People are arguing because ATProto is not open. And that couldn't be more clear in the simple fact that BSky hosts tens of millions of users, 99.95% of "the ATmosphere". While AP has <1% of the number of users and yet they're strewn across tens of thousands of servers.
We've already seen the implications of such closure in the silencing of users by foreign govts, silencing of users in an entire state, and enforcement of draconian ID laws on millions of users in the EU. Meanwhile AP is largely unaffected.
And BSky is still taking the Silicon Valley approach of "we'll figure out how to make money later", to which the answers are the same as every other social platform. They're not funded by donations, they're funded by investments from investors who expect to see a profit eventually.
ATProto is open. Bluesky is not.
What we currently see is similar to how ActivityPub looked when it was first drawn up as a protocol: when 99% of users were on Mastodon GmbH's server.
The ten thousands of servers came later. And in theory ATProto is defined open enough that it is possible to implement it independently from Bluesky.
ATProto is open. Bluesky is not.
Not a distinction worth making when 99+% are all on the same server.
when 99% of users were on Mastodon GmbH's server
99% of the 12 users? Again, BSky is tens of millions of users. Why is it you think they're all on the same server?
And in theory ATProto is defined open enough that it is possible to implement it independently from Bluesky.
Then why is no one doing it?
The statement has been... uh... updated. The URL now reads:
A statement was originally published here, however, we have since received an objections to its publication citing that proper processes were not followed, and therefore it has been taken down and republished on Emelia's website instead, whilst we seek community group consensus. When Emelia merged the pull request, she had been granted permission to do so by the co-chair of the Social Web CG, and given the number of signatories with various significant contributions to ActivityPub and ActivityStreams, Emelia believed that there was enough agreement to publish.
It was pretty bizarre how it was published in such a way that it seemed to come from w3c socialcg when really it was just Emelia.
Despite being an activitypub dev I have not seen any of the supposed "heated discussions" probably because I don't spend time on Mastodon trying to boost ATProto. It doesn't seem like a widespread problem to me.
It was signed by a number of people, including OG ActivityPub contributors. I guess you'd have to know what goes on in the mailing list.
Looking around here, there's a lot of ignorant hostility. I am always surprised by how tech-illiterate fediverse fans are. People who feel that that's their peer group probably have a hard time ignoring that background toxicity.
YouTuber 'Great Library' found dead at 47
YouTuber 'Great Library' found dead at 47
Na Dong-hyeon, a pioneering first-generation internet broadcaster better known by his online moniker “Great Library,” or Daedoseogwan, was found dead at his home in Seoul on Saturday.Korea JoongAng Daily
Teen girls are being used as hitwomen in Sweden's organized crime wars: "Young kids are thirsty for blood"
cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/48030154
"I had a case involving a 15-year-old girl recruited to shoot someone in the head," Stockholm prosecutor Ida Arnell told AFP. "She was able to choose the type of mission she wanted, in other words, to aim at the guy's door or his head. She chose the head."
Teen girls are being used as hitwomen in Sweden's organized crime wars: "Young kids are thirsty for blood"
Some 280 girls aged between 15 and 17 were charged with murder, manslaughter or other violent crimes last year in Sweden.CBS News
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