Police use batons as dozens arrested at Palestine Action protest
The London Metropolitan Police used batons to disperse peaceful protestors and arrested dozens of demonstrators calling on the UK government to reverse its decision to designate Palestine Action as a terrorist group.
Hundreds had gathered in Westminster's Parliament Square on Saturday, holding cardboard placards reading "I support Palestine Action" and flags in support of Palestine.
One protestor was seen with blood streaming down his face after they were arrested at the rally. While another protestor could be heard screaming that the police had hurt his back during their arrest.
Among the group of people detained by the police included scores of elderly protestors and families of Holocaust survivors who sat silently on the green in Parliament Square.
Police use batons as dozens arrested at Palestine Action protest
The London Metropolitan Police used batons to disperse peaceful protestors and arrested dozens of demonstrators calling on the UK government to reverse its decision to designate Palestine Action as a terrorist group.
Hundreds had gathered in Westminster's Parliament Square on Saturday, holding cardboard placards reading "I support Palestine Action" and flags in support of Palestine.
One protestor was seen with blood streaming down his face after they were arrested at the rally. While another protestor could be heard screaming that the police had hurt his back during their arrest.
Among the group of people detained by the police included scores of elderly protestors and families of Holocaust survivors who sat silently on the green in Parliament Square.
Americans are getting the economy they voted for
Americans are getting the economy they voted for - Asia Times
Noahpinion began as a macroeconomics blog. So every once in a while I feel like I ought to report on the macroeconomic situation. Fortunately, the headerNoah Smith (Asia Times)
LineageOS is apparently not private?
I'm planning on flashing LineageOS on my phone to debloat and to degoogle, and additionally to increase overall privacy but apparently from what I've heard here that it's not private enough or even at all?
I know about it being less secure because of the opened bootloader and the higher chances of you rooting to achieve what you want with a degoogled phone, but beyond that (especially privacy-wise) I don't know anything.
I've seen a video on how to degoogle it further, but surely it isn't all I need to do.
I need some education.
Unfortunately my phone is so obscure that it isn't supported by literally anything, but fortunately there's an unofficial port of LineageOS I found on Telegram, and that's the one I'll be using. So if you're thinking of suggesting another custom ROM, you're out of luck. Also you can't make me buy a Pixel - that thing ain't supported in my country (5G and others) and it's hella expensive as well.
itel P55 5G - Full phone specifications
itel P55 5G Android smartphone. Announced Sep 2023. Features 6.6″ display, Dimensity 6080 chipset, 5000 mAh battery, 128 GB storage, 6 GB RAM.gsmarena.com
Nothing will be private enough for some people.
There will always be people who will scoff and puff about what is working for you or what works best for you in your attempt to regain privacy. What's important is for you to assess your threat profile, what you want to accomplish, and if LineageOS helps you with that. Just the other day people were scoffing at people buying physical movies and not backing them up in 1-2-3 format. Like, who has the fucking time and energy for that? And it's stupid. It's like scoffing at people who buy books because eventually the binding may fail or the book could get wet so they should've scanned it into a PDF. Or when people scoff at Proton users instead of being glad people are weaning off Google. It never ends and it gets worse the further you go down the hole. Ignore them.
What other options do you have for your phone at the moment besides Lineage? Regular Android? Better off having Lineage.
to debloat and to degoogle, and additionally to increase overall privacy but apparently from what I’ve heard here that it’s not private enough or even at all?
So... there is what is theoretically possible, what's pragmatically feasible with your current skillset, what you believe you need and what you actually need.
If you rely on what is theoretically possible and what you believe you need you usually end up with burn out.
If you focus on what's pragmatically feasible with your current skillset and what you actually need instead you WILL disappoint strangers on the Internet but you might remain sane and surely will learn something in the process, thus both improve your skillset AND have a better understanding of what you actually need.
A New Interstellar Propulsion Method: T.A.R.S.
- YouTube
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.www.youtube.com
Wait is the title a typo and should say 28 million?
564 258 deaths per year for fifty years?
Where does the paper say 38 million?
Highly accurate protein structure prediction with AlphaFold
Highly accurate protein structure prediction with AlphaFold - Nature
AlphaFold predicts protein structures with an accuracy competitive with experimental structures in the majority of cases using a novel deep learning architecture.Nature
How cities will fossilise
How cities will fossilise
The grand metropolises of 21st Century civilisation will leave a geological legacy that will last for millennia, but some things will endure far longer than others.David Farrier (BBC)
"After The Last Sky", by Mahmoud Darwish
"The Earth is closing on us, pushing us through the last passage, and we tear off our limbs to pass through.
The Earth is squeezing us. I wish we were its wheat so we could die and live again.
I wish the Earth was our mother so she’d be kind to us.
I wish we were pictures on the rocks for our dreams to carry as mirrors.
We saw the faces of those who will throw our children out of the window of this last space. Our star will hang up mirrors.
Where should we go after the last frontiers ?
Where should the birds fly after the last sky ?
Where should the plants sleep after the last breath of air ?
We will write our names with scarlet steam. We will cut off the hand of the song, to be finished by our flesh.
We will die here, here in the last passage. Here and here our blood will plant its olive tree."
– Mahmoud Darwish
"Oh Rascal Children Of Gaza", by Khaled Juma
"Oh rascal children of Gaza,
You who constantly disturbed me with your screams under my window,
You who filled every morning with rush and chaos,
You who broke my vase and stole the lonely flower on my balcony,
Come back –
And scream as you want,
And break all the vases,
Steal all the flowers,
Come back,
Just come back…"
- Khaled Juma
Ukraine is on its own. Europe is all talk, no action
Ukraine is on its own. Europe is all talk, no action
Macron’s promise of boots on the ground is an empty show of solidarity that Putin will never allowOwen Matthews (The Telegraph)
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Trump says US has ‘lost India and Russia’
Trump says US has ‘lost India and Russia’
Hours earlier president Vladimir Putin offered joint investment projects with American firms, urging Washington to renew cooperationRT
The climate of fear is self-imposed
I am not generally in the habit of criticizing the editorial decisions of The Washington Post, my employer for 11 years and an institution that continues to good, important work in covering the unwinding of American democracy. But I think the paper’s assessment of the putative debate over Donald Trump’s signature on the note provided for Jeffrey Epstein’s 50th birthday demands some context.The article’s original headline was “No clear answers on whether Trump signed the Epstein birthday book,” a declaration that was eventually softened to “Is the signature Trump’s? Epstein birthday book feeds speculation.” The article first presents the denials of Trump’s staff and allies that he couldn’t have signed the bizarre, creepy, suggestive document. It then quotes handwriting experts, some of whom who indicated uncertainty about the signature’s provenance. A number of full signatures of Trump’s are shown in an apparent effort to demonstrate variation.
The use of full signatures doesn’t make sense because the signature in the book — created in 2003, before Epstein was on law enforcement’s radar — includes only Trump’s first name. The New York Times compared that signature to other examples of Trump signing only his first name, showing that they are nearly identical. In fact, the Wall Street Journal, which originally reported on the note, also published an article demonstrating why the note was almost certainly from Trump, including similar first-name-only signatures from the now-president.
The Journal did so, it’s safe to assume, because its initial report on the letter was rejected as invented or “fake news” by Trump et al. (Trump even sued, claiming, in part, that no such letter existed.) In other words, it probably assumed that publication of the note would trigger precisely the response that it did, an effort to move the goalposts of claimed fraudulence.
There is absolutely no reason to think that the note was not, in fact, from Trump and no reason to think that the signature is not his own. Even setting aside the obvious-to-any-layperson similarity to other signatures, the idea that someone would create a phony Trump letter as a private gift to someone Trump had praised publicly the year prior doesn’t make any sense.
So why treat the idea that the signature isn’t his seriously? Why treat the assertions of people with demonstrated track records of lying on Trump’s behalf — including Trump, his communications team and right-wing influencers — as offering sincere complaints on this particular issue? Why grant them the benefit of the doubt that they actually think the signature isn’t his?
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Recommended mini linux device for streaming to TV
Looking for a simple mini device that I can plug into TV for streaming stuff via browser/jellyfin and similar, with hdmi and control via bluetooth keyboard/mouse. What do you guys recommend?
Would this be powerful enough for example? komplett.no/product/1323029/pc…
EDIT: lemmy is awesome, thanks to you I'll save myself a ton of work and/or costly mistakes
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I use one of these which I got from AliExpress along with one of these, though of course it will work fine with mouse and keyboard.
(Please note that I haven't tested it specifically with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse).
I installed Lubuntu on it because it's a lighter distro (it will work fine with the full desktop Linux distros, but why waste computing power on fancy window managers for something that's just a TV Box that's always showing Kodi) and have it always turned on (the TDP of this is pretty low) with Kodi as interface and its runs perfectly.
It's sitting on my living room under the TV.
It's probably a little overpowered, but that means its fan almost never turns on (it's pretty quiet when it does, but silence is better), so I'm also running a bittorrent server on it with an always on VPN, plus it's my NAS. There's room for more if I wanted.
I don't really understand people advising the more powerful Mini-PCs: they're way overpowered for the job hence needlessly expensive plus the TDP of their processors is way more than the N100 in this one hence it both consumes more and is a lot less quiet because the fan has to be bigger and running a lot more often to cool that hotter processor down.
PS: Also the downside of using old PCs for this as some recommend is their higher power consumption, even for notebooks, plus they generally don't really look like a nice TV-Box to have in your living room, which this one does. If you're going to run it all the time, a low TDP mini-pc will probably quickly pay itself over using an old desktop, longer if versus an old notebook.
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If the thing is not meant to use as a Desktop, why load it with heavier applications that aren't delivering anything useful?
No matter how efficient a core is at most tasks, it can't beat the power savings of not actually running needless code.
My homemade TV Box isn't running a lightweight desktop because I had to "limit myself", it's running one because I'm not losing anything by not having that which I don't use and if that even just saves a few Watts a week, it still means I'm better off, which is satisfying as I like to design my systems to be efficient.
For fancy Linux Desktop things I have an actual Desktop PC with Linux - the homemade TV Box on my living room is only supposed to let me watch stuff on TV whilst I sit on my sofa.
Further, there are more than one form of efficiency - stuff like the N100 (and even more, the ARM stuff) are designed for power consumption efficiency, whilst desktop CPUs are designed for ops-per-cycle efficiency, which are not at all the same thing: being capable of doing more operations per cycle doesn't mean something will consume less power in doing so (in fact, generally in Engineering if you optimize in one axis you lose in another) it just means it can reach the end of the task in fewer cycles.
For a device that during peak use still runs at around 10% CPU usage, having the ability to do things a little faster doesn't really add any value.
Even the series 4000 Zen2 being more optimized for power consumption is only in the context of desktop computers, a whole different world from what the N100 (and even more things like ARM7) were designed to operate in, which is why the former has a TDP of 140W and the latter of 15W (and the ARMs are around 6W). Sure the TDP is a maximum and hence not a precise metric for a specific use case such as using something as a TV Box, but it's a pretty good indication of how much a core was optimized for power consumption, and 15W vs 140W is a pretty massive distance to expect that any error in using TDP to estimate how the power consumption of those two in everyday use as a TV Box compares would mean that the CPU with 140W TDP consumes less than the one with 15W.
PS: All that said, if the use case was "selfhosting" rather than "TV Box (with a handful of lightweight services on the side)", you suggestion makes more sense, IMHO.
I use "Beelink" brand mini PCs for this purpose. (They are the same form factor as your photo.) I have three, and they're all good. I've used multiple distros on them with no compatibility issues, but MX Linux is my daily driver.
They have fans built in, but the cases on the higher end ones are metal, which helps with heat dissipation. The only downside with that is that sometimes USB peripherals get super hot while plugged in, and I had a mouse dongle that would overheat and malfunction. A simple USB hub fixed this problem (the hub itself apparently didn't mind getting hot).
I use a "Mini Keyboard with touchpad" on the ones connected to TVs. I recommend those as well. Rii brand is decent.
Genocide by remote control: Israel's explosive robots devastate Gaza
Israeli forces deploy explosive robots at 'unprecedented pace', obliterating homes and displacing families
Genocide by remote control: Israel's explosive robots devastate Gaza
Hamza Shabaan woke up mid-air. A massive blast had hurled him off his mattress, leaving him disoriented and shocked.Mohammed al-Hajjar (Middle East Eye)
One year on, family of US citizen killed by Israel still seeking justice
Aysenur Ezgi Eygi’s loved ones say they will continue to pursue accountability for her 2024 killing in the occupied West Bank.
One year on, family of US citizen killed by Israel still seeking justice
Aysenur Ezgi Eygi’s loved ones say they will continue to pursue accountability for her 2024 killing in the West Bank.Ali Harb (Al Jazeera)
In the West, it is a crime to deny one Holocaust and dangerous to name another
The difference between Holocaust denial and Gaza Genocide denial is that Holocaust denial is illegal or a criminal offence in many countries, and is, for the most part, the preserve of marginalised kooks and conspiracy theorists.
No self-respecting journalist considers Holocaust denial a legitimate point of view, and no serious media organisation argues that impartiality requires it to provide Holocaust denial with a platform in any serious discussion about Germany's extermination of Europe's Jews during World War Two - let alone equal time, or beginning and ending every such discussion with "Germany said".
Gaza Genocide denial, by contrast, is a well-organised and orchestrated global campaign sponsored, funded, and avidly promoted - without any hindrance whatsoever - by the regime perpetrating the genocide.
In many states, Gaza Genocide denial counts among its champions elected and other senior officials, influential lobbies and powerful organisations. Its messages are amplified by an international network of conspiracy theorists, fanatic ideologues and hired hands.
Serious media organisations not only consider it a journalistic requirement to give Gaza Genocide denial a platform and equal time, but they also routinely communicate Israel's talking points to their audiences. The BBC's compulsive resort to "Israel says" is a case in point.
No, Russia isn’t ‘lost to China’ – it simply refuses to be owned
No, Russia isn’t ‘lost to China’ – it simply refuses to be owned
Moscow always keeps its diplomatic options open – as long as its sovereignty is respectedRT
Love that anyone who isn't a slavish puppet state of the US is automatically assigned as the slavish puppet state of the US's geopolitical enemy.
Goldfish brain foreign policy.
Israel has officially moved on from destroying Hamas to erasing Palestine
Israel has officially moved on from destroying Hamas to erasing Palestine
Despite objections from across the world, Netanyahu’s government is redrawing the map with tank tracksRT
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Manufactured Instability: Georgia and the Region, Shadow Networks Behind Hotspots
Manufactured Instability: Georgia and the Region, Shadow Networks Behind Hotspots
The shadowy career of U.S. operative Sam Patten highlights how foreign consultants, lobbyists, and NGO-linked actors fuel instability in Georgia andГенри Каменс (New Eastern Outlook)
Russia Supports China's Global Governance Initiative, Details to Come Later
Russia Supports China's Global Governance Initiative, Details to Come Later
It is unlikely that China's comprehensive and important initiative on global governance can be detailed in a few days, this is a task for subsequent periods, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in an interview with Sputnik at the Eastern Economic Fo…Sputnik International
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Putin Pitches ‘Real Peace,’ Sends Stark Warning Over NATO Boots in Ukraine
Putin Pitches ‘Real Peace,’ Sends Stark Warning Over NATO Boots in Ukraine
Vladimir Putin’s blunt message that NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine would be “legitimate targets” sent a sharp signal to the West, stressed Argentine political analyst Luciano Anzelini.Sputnik International
No shit...
Oil refiners make lots of products, gas, diesel, kerosene (aviation gas)
No refineries, none of these products, no vehicles to move troops no more war.
Also no income to fund said war.
Dumbass
No, the distinction is important. Russia mostly extracts petroleum and gas, and exports them. The processing happens in China or India. Then, the processed components, including petrol (gasoline), are resold by China and India.
Now I'm sure Russia would rather their refineries not be attacked, and these disruptions could very well cause local shortages or price fluctuations. But for the wider economy or overall supply chains, this won't matter much.
Wow, you're dumber than I initally thought...
energyandcleanair.org/june-202…
He first graphic here proves you wrong
Why would anyone sell cheap crude then buy back expensive gas??
Why have refiners if youre exportibg crude?
reuters.com/business/energy/pa…
I've come around after a journalist I trust (real journalist, got his house firebombed and his crew falsely arrested) explained the history of Russia that led up to this. I don't think NATO troops should be in Ukraine and I don't think Ukraine should've ever been floated as a NATO candidate (as insincerely and manipulatively as it was).
I think both Russia and Ukraine are serving as barriers to peace, in Ukraine's case mainly because of their stubborn insistence on American involvement in any post-war security arrangement.
Seoul voices regret after about 300 Koreans detained in US immigration raid at Hyundai-LG plant
South Korea voices regret over US immigration raid at Hyundai-LG battery plant in Georgia that detained 300 Koreans
The Korean government expressed regret on Friday over a U.S. immigration raid that is believed to have resulted in the detention of about 300 Korea...Lee Hyo-jin (The Korea Times)
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Debian 13.1 disponibile per il download
Debian 13.1 disponibile la nuova ISO con fix e aggiornamenti di sicurezza
I developer Debian hanno rilasciato la nuova 13.1 “Trixie” è disponibile con 71 correzioni di bug e 16 aggiornamenti di sicurezza.Ferramosca Roberto (Linux Easy)
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Debian 13.1 disponibile la nuova ISO
Debian 13.1 disponibile la nuova ISO con fix e aggiornamenti di sicurezza
I developer Debian hanno rilasciato la nuova 13.1 “Trixie” è disponibile con 71 correzioni di bug e 16 aggiornamenti di sicurezza.Ferramosca Roberto (Linux Easy)
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KDE releases alpha build of KDE Linux, an immutable arch linux distro
Now we have the immutable Exodia, VanillaOS for Debian, KDE Linux for Arch, Bazzite/Fedora Atomic for Fedora, NixOS for NixOS. What's great about this is KDE is zeroed in on developing for immutable distros now and will make their apps work better with them, this will help the whole ecosystem.
News article: pointieststick.com/2025/09/06/…
Just what the world needs, another Linux distro…A sentiment I have in the past expressed myself.
However, there’s a method to our madness. KDE is a huge producer of software. It’s awkward for us to not have our own method of distributing it. Yes, KDE produces source code that others distribute, but we self-distribute our apps on app stores like Flathub and the Snap and Microsoft stores, so I think it’s natural thing for us to have our own platform for doing that distribution too, and that’s an operating system. I think all the major producers of free software desktop environments should have their own OS, and many already do: Linux Mint and ElementaryOS spring to mind, and GNOME is working on one too.
Besides, this matter was settled 10 years ago with the creation of KDE neon, our first bite at the “in-house OS” apple. The sky did not fall; everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
Speaking of KDE neon, what’s going on with it? Is it canceled? If not, doesn’t this amount to unnecessary duplication?
KDE neon is not canceled. However it has shed most of its developers over the years, which is problematic, and it’s currently being held together by a heroic volunteer. KDE e.V. has been reaching out to stakeholders to see if we can help put in place a continuity or transition plan. No decision has yet been made about its future.
While neon continues to exist, KDE Linux therefore does represent duplication. As for unnecessary? That I’m less sure about that. Harald, myself, and others feel that KDE neon has somewhat reached its limit in terms of what we can do with it. It was a great first product for KDE to distribute our own software and prepare the world for the idea of KDE in that role, and it served admirably for a decade. But technological and conceptual issues limit how far we can continue to develop it.
Announcing the Alpha release of KDE Linux
Today I have something very exciting to share: the Alpha release of KDE Linux, KDE’s new operating system! Many of you may be familiar with KDE Linux already through Harald Sitter’s 202…Adventures in Linux and KDE
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With how KDE treats Plasma and their whole dev philosophy of "If we don't use/like something, than neither will you"
How does anyone confuse the KDE team for the Gnome foundation? How did you manage to pull that off?
𝐛𝐚𝐭: the tool to syntax highlight (almost) anything on Linux - Bread on Penguins
I was already using bat, but I only really scratched the surface of everything it could do. From the video description:
github.com/sharkdp/batwallpaper photo is mine, patreon.com/c/breadonpenguins
my music: unicornmasquerade.bandcamp.com…
- 0:00 command color outputs!
- 1:35 syntax highlighted manual page btw
- 1:57 supported languages
- 2:30 install bat, bat-extras
- 3:12 config options
- 3:46 style formats
- 4:30 custom colorschemes
- 4:59 integration for common tools
- 5:33 bat preview in fzf
- 6:28 colorized help menus
- 7:02 performance comparison?
- 8:36 syntax highlighting makes my brain perform faster
GitHub - sharkdp/bat: A cat(1) clone with wings.
A cat(1) clone with wings. Contribute to sharkdp/bat development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
If you enjoy bat, may I also recommend you try:
- eza as an alternative to ls
- zoxide as an alternative to cd
- fd as an alternative to find
- fzf paired with fd for enhanced reverse searching and more
- delta for syntax highlighting pager for git, diff, grep, blame output
I’ve been using these for probably around 5-10 years / daily, without issue.
Firefox integra Copilot l'AI di Microsoft
Firefox integra Copilot l'AI di Microsoft
Mozilla integra il chatbot Microsoft Copilot in Firefox Nightly, ampliando il supporto AI già presente con ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini e Mistral.Ferramosca Roberto (Linux Easy)
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Ho sfanculato Mozilla e Firefox 4 anni fa. Prima muoiono entrambi, meglio è.
transalation for you inglish:
I ditched Mozilla and Firefox four years ago. The sooner they both die, the better.
omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/09/firefo…
Try Librewolf, doesnt have ai
Firefox Adds CoPilot Chatbot, New Tab Widgets in Nightly Builds
Firefox Nightly builds add CoPilot to the chatbot sidebar, expanding the browser's range of third-party AI service integrations. Plus: new New Tab Page widgets.Joey Sneddon (OMG! Ubuntu!)
‘Lost the battle’: EU told to accept defeat against China’s solar power sector
Facing China’s solar power industry, EU advised to concede defeat
EU should pick its battles with the world’s second-largest economy and tie market access to technology sharing, economists say.Xiaofei Xu (South China Morning Post)
Linux distro for noob
I have a laptop from 2014 and I'm thinking of installing Kubuntu or Arch. I don't know much about linux but the computer is not important and is damaged so I can screw it What would you recommend? I'm thinking of something customizable (Arch) but easy to use (so Kubuntu is a good option)
If the English is not good, blame the translator 😃👍
I have the minimum requirements for both.
Edit: The computer isn't suposed for be a daily driver. And thanks for the replies.
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FreeAZ
in reply to Spectre • • •Spectre
in reply to FreeAZ • • •Una
in reply to Spectre • • •Spectre
in reply to Una • • •Una
in reply to Spectre • • •KimBongUn420
in reply to Una • • •Stalin was a captain of a team
cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-R…
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davel
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •RaivoKulli
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •What's the background for this report, who compiled it, what the sources were and so on?
It sounds pretty dubious since it has big ass text at the start saying
KimBongUn420
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •It's a top secret report created by the informational gathering apparatus of a global super power/nation state, with all the interest to get an accurate picture of their geopolitical rival, but also with the interest to keep their population not in the know (not it's like the only time in US history). The fact that it fits with other historical accounts of Stalin by e.g Domenico Losurdo.
Funny how you libs always pull out skepticism when it's against the western narrative. Even if it's unvaluated, it's not going to be significantly off. The CIA is pretty good at what they do
RaivoKulli
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •Can you point to any of CIA's metainfo about this file? Since I don't think we have anything more than this is some CIA file, but no info about who compiled this info, what they base it on, how has it been evalued (other than at the time it was apparently unevalued) and so on. You don't even know what the CIA thought of this document. We just know they have it.
Do we just take it as true because it's from CIA, even though we have no other information about it or what?
I mean are you against being sceptical of some random ass CIA document with big ass text on top of it about it being "unevaluated information"? Say it ain't so.
KimBongUn420
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •Might as well ask Snowden or a top ranking official
Why do you think they host it?
Do you even know what bias is?
RaivoKulli
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •It doesn't sound like you have any of the info that would make this a credible document. CIA hosts a shitload of documents and a lot of them are absolute bunk and directly contradictory. They've collected a lot of reports over all the decades they've been around, that's sorta their job and then they evaluate that information and based on that try to sus out the true information. Unfortunately we have no idea what the CIA itself thought of this info, at the time of release they haven't evalued it. It's almost like finding a book in a library and believing it to be credible because it's a well known library that has that book.
Let me ask it this way: what makes you think that this report is credible, factual and trustworthy?
KimBongUn420
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •I already answered above. It fits into the picture of historical accounts of Stalin and of how bias and interests work in regards to a nation state and it's geopolitical competitors.
You're convently ignoring the context in which this document exists and how its content relates to it.
Your try at abstracting something this complex fails. It's more akin having two libraries with two different accounts of history where some books are deliberately hidden (for various reasons, it exists and wasn't destroyed). This is a now a made-public book confirming the other libraries accunt history with their own source
Also:
RaivoKulli
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •It sounds like you consider this document good evidence because it already aligns with what you believe in and not on the merits of how the information was gathered, how it was verified or any sort of other merits you'd usually evaluate such information when you want to use it as evidence.
And I don't think CIA was sloppy. But this again hasn't been even evalued by them, as it says on big bold letters right at the start. We have no idea what CIA actually thought of this document since we have basically no info on it. Sorry to say.
KimBongUn420
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •We're discussing the account of Stalin and collective leadership vs top down and not the validity of this document. Good try on moving the goal post.
Also It's not good evidence, but a valueable piece of a larger puzzle, where one understands the dynamics of political economy and has to piece it together through these. If you'd read any theory at all, you know history is always written by the dominant class and one has to read through the lines with documents like this.
Sounds like you take the western account of history for granted, and don't engage with different views. It sounds like youre taking Information by diametrically opposed forces at face value. I too would like topics like feminism explained by anti-feminists, anarchism by an anti-anarchist, Marxism by a lib etc. I definitely never engage with what the other side says
RaivoKulli
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •You used this document as evidence to support your argument. Of course the credibility and validity of the document is a subject for discussion.
We have no idea who actually wrote this document. Just further pointing out how useless it really is. And believe me I'd be really interested to know the backstory of the document from a historical pov.
KimBongUn420
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •I used the document to highlight that even in the CIA there were people thinking Stalin is a captain of a team. I did however also point to Domenico Losurdos to underscore how its fits to existing historical accounts from a Marxist perspective
I agree, It's interesting to think about how a classified top secret document like this exists that basically could've been written by a leftie. To have this many points synthesized it required a bunch of fieldwork to come together like this, even if unevaluated.
Another interesting aspect to think about is how it relates to current dominant western narratives in regards to current geopolitical rivals
RaivoKulli
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •But it doesn't show that CIA thought that, as I've tried to explain. You're taking a random document we know barely anything about as some official or truly held position CIA had on the matter and that's just not what it shows.
I mean we don't know who wrote it, what they did to arrive to their conclusions, what was their goal, position, experience, anything really. For all we know they based it on random chatter someone heard from a friend of a friend's dog walker. That's what makes it worthless as any sort of evidence. We have a random quote or opinion, basically. To have any sort of weight, you'd need something at least, but now we have nothing.
Aria
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •I believe this is the page you're looking for. It's very minimal.
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freagle
in reply to Una • • •What are you talking about about? Go read a goddamned book about the political structure of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, its many voting structures, its multiple state entities, its levels of power of distribution, and THEN try to argue that 1 person had full power.
It's ridiculous to think that your level of ignorance counts as a political perspective on history.
HoopyFrood
in reply to Spectre • • •don't like this
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m532
in reply to HoopyFrood • • •HoopyFrood
in reply to m532 • • •And how does a dictatorship by a particular class meaningfully differentiate itself from a dictatorship by an individual? On a practical level, would the dictatorial class elect their own leaders democratically, have internal struggles to chose the dominant leader based on perceived merits and authority, or expect the collective of the class rule autonomously?
I can intuit this system working with democratic internal elections, but i would struggle to refer to such a system as a “doctatorship”. The proletariet don’t represent a homogeneous group with uniform needs and so would need robust democratic structures for the system to not break down into authoritarianism the first less than perfectly cool leader shows up.
Also, how do you keep the bourgeoisie from just claiming to be proletariat and gaining access to the leadership class over the immediate time frame without inducing cruelty that will earn retaliation? And then again how do you prevent infiltration over the course of generations without committing genocide? I can see maybe just wanting to strip all of the bourgeoisie of their wealth and attempting to integrate into the proletariat, but without strong democratic structures the formerly powerful would trivially coopt the whole system for their gain, or even sabatoge it to prevent others from “getting ahead” or even to exact revenge?
KumaSudosa
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in reply to Una • • •FreeAZ
in reply to Spectre • • •Yes, under a dictatorship, it's literally happened before. Are you being serious or is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha where you go "socialism can't exist without democracy so the label is pedantic"?
Socialism under one party governments have happened, that is not democracy, even if democratic elements exist within. You can't have democracy under one party, the people need the ability to form an opposition party if the need arises.
KimBongUn420
in reply to FreeAZ • • •On Authority
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freagle
in reply to FreeAZ • • •You don't understand party systems, so you imagine one-party systems are undemocratic. You are incorrect. In a multi-party systems, competing interests fight for power using the electoral system. That means you would have a capitalist party and a socialist party and they would fight for votes. Why in the world would you ever expect a communist country to have multiple parties?
Instead of that, communist parties have structures within them for different factions to have sub organizations within the party. These are all people who support communism but differ on the particulars. They fight for power within the party, ensuring that the country remains communist while still enabling democracy.
It is only in fully capitalist countries that have eliminated the power of their internal communist where you have multiple capitalist parties that actually collaborate and then spread propaganda that only multi-party states are truly democratic. It's transparent bullshit.
That's why we say that under capitalism you can change the party but the not the policies and under communism you can change the policies but not the party. Ever notice just how democratic the West is regarding war? No matter how much the people don't want war, no matter what party is in power, the leadership always chooses war. No matter how much we want profits to take a back seat to social issues, profit always wins. The policies of capitalism are unchangeable by the people. Is that democracy simply because you get to choose which team is oppressing you and killing foreigners?
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🍉 Albert 🍉
in reply to Spectre • • •Aria
in reply to 🍉 Albert 🍉 • • •It's not an oxymoron, the idea is that when there are forces with opposed interests, one has to win. Note that this is talking about opposed interests, not interests that are merely in conflict.
So no matter how much you try to make concessions for the other, you have to choose if you want a bourgeois dictatorship (liberal democracy) or a proletariat dictatorship (people's democracy) at the end of the day. Socialists just use less euphemism, and therefore accused of "admitting to dictatorship", but a liberal democracy is the exact same type of dictatorship. The bourgeoisie interests dictate, and they make concessions for the sake of the proletariat.
freagle
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frightful_hobgoblin
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in reply to davel • • •Pity he was banned. I was curious to see what his specific points were.
There's some interesting discussions to be had of Marx's writings on electoralism, revolution, and republics.
KimBongUn420
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theneverfox
in reply to Spectre • • •This is so dumb.
If you want change, you have to take power. Power is where the people think it is.
If people can't even realize their own power as workers and unionize, they're not about to rise up in some glorious revolution. And even if they did, the majority would just do capitalism again, because most people can't imagine anything else
But the economic system is collapsing. When it does, we need power. That's how this works. We take local, State, and federal positions and use them to do progressive things, to improve material conditions.
And then when we get to an inflection point, we need leaders who already have the support of the people. We need populist progressives in power
freagle
in reply to theneverfox • • •The reason it's dumb is because DemSocs don't actually have the ring of power to be able to cast it into the fire in the first place.
How many Bolsheviks were in positions of government? How much of the PLA was in power in China?
The sad reality is that nearly every successful socialist revolution was born through civil war.
ComradeSharkfucker
in reply to theneverfox • • •Ernst Thälmann tried that
Many others within germany were also trying that too. It did not work
We must build duel power, not power within the bourgeois system
Dessalines
in reply to Spectre • • •What about democracy? Can't voting fix our problems?
"Bourgeois Democracy": What Do Marxists Mean By This Term?
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in reply to Spectre • • •Marxist: Let me mock one of my closest ideological allies. That will help bring about revolution.
Democratic Socialist: The fuck did I do to you, bro?
ComradeSharkfucker
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