What do you guys think of when you think of capitalism?
Enthusiasts bond twelve 56K modems together to set dial-up broadband records — a dozen screeching boxes achieve record 668 kbps download speeds
Enthusiasts bond twelve 56K modems together to set dial-up broadband records — a dozen screeching boxes achieve record 668 kbps download speeds
Multilink PPP worked well on an era-appropriate Windows XP PC, after progress using an earlier Windows ME box stalled.Mark Tyson (Tom's Hardware)
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Here's the money shot:
youtu.be/LZ259Jx8MQY?t=1240
I wish they had used a better mic but that was like giving my soul a really good scratch.
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Linux Distribution "NixOS" drama: Moderation Team resigns in protest over Interference of Leadership; Elected Leader works for US Military Company, fearing alignment with US fascistic development
Short Summary of the Community Drama of the Linux Distribution "NixOS", so that you can get the big picture and form your own opinion with the provided sources.
Clarification of the "Steering Comittee" as Project Leadership
Moderation Team resigns in Protest
- Resignation Post, with examples of interference: discourse.nixos.org/t/a-statem…
- Conflict due different interests:
- the Moderation Team desires being independent. otherwise, they can't moderate the behavior of people in positions of power.
- the Moderation Team is currently accountable to the Steering Comittee: discourse.nixos.org/t/a-statem…
Technical Leadership works for Military Company, causing Fear of Alignment with Facism.
- Steering Committee works for Military Company discourse.nixos.org/t/sc-membe…
- People in the community feel uncomfortable with that, since the US and its military are heading towards facsism: mstdn.games/@KFears/1152756764…
- The Steering Committee made a public Post about that, explaining the Situation: discourse.nixos.org/t/statemen…
A statement from members of the moderation team
We resign, effective immediately, in protest of the Steering Committee’s ongoing pattern of attempting to interfere with moderation team operation, membership and specific moderation decisions.NixOS Discourse
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Can we avoid calling taking action against valid moral objections "drama"? It only serves to make the people doing the right thing sound like they're being immature, even when they're obviously right.
Objecting to a fascist government's influence over very powerful build infrastructure used around the world is the right thing to do.
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Most people when they hear "drama" they think things like the brain dead hissy fits on reality TV. The kind of pointless fighting we should avoid. Destigmatizing the word would legitimatize that stuff.
We really need a better word for this posts topic where there's very public back and forth but it's a much more valid moral disagreement.
I think I've been on the internet longer than you, and drama has always applied to any kind of spat between parties.
Look at the youtube channel DramaAlert for countless examples.
You would say that because that's how tribalism works.
Bunch of average people in here being average.
It’s The Nutshack memes
Aah meme history memory flashbang
valid moral objections
That's the thing, whether or not they're valid depends on the person you're asking.
I personally think this is a load of bullshit and just another instance of slacktivists trying to guilt people into doing their bidding.
Hopefully the leader in question doesn't change a single thing due to this pressure. He would be a helpless child if he didn't have the strength to resist this kind of peer pressure from online drama.
Are you joking? They're stepping down as mods for an extremely niche community.
That is prime slacktivism, but since it's for something you support you're going to lie and pretend it's not.
"Direct action" so many of you people love using vague language because you know the specifics make your argument look asinine.
"Direct action" doesn't mean anything specific. "They’re stepping down as mods for an extremely niche community" does.
Work on your reading comprehension.
You should probably just shut up.
Throw a tantrum harder as well.
2 day old account shilling for Nazis and calling calm replies explaining their positions “temper tantrums”
You fucking spineless shitbags are insufferable
shilling for Nazis
Yeah, this is my point about saying vague shit.
Of course I get censored due to the dogpile. Another reason not to take mods seriously.
That's the thing, whether or not they're valid depends on the person you're asking.
No it fucking doesn't! There are people who think that, but they're wrong.
Moral relativism is bullshit.
Steering Committee works for Military Company
It's only one SC member, and they switched jobs after being elected last year. I think the Nix community is generally very much against US MIC, and unlikely to actually elect someone working for them. Although it was well-known that tomberek (and johnringer) are US-military-aligned.
After reading a bit more into the modteam situation, I have to say I'm on the mod team's side here.
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For full independence, why not simply detach development from community?
You can even have multiple independent communities with multiple independent moderation teams all about the same software.
As a developer I've never needed to engage a particular community on a personal level in order to make a PR to a project.. if the technical maintainers want to accept the change, they will, if they won't then that's fine, they probably have their reasons. It's ok to communicate with communities to get feedback, but I'm not making contributions for the social approval, I'm making them when I believe they are useful, and most of the times I write them because I want to have that change myself. If it's rejected and enough other people are interested in the change, it can be forked. That doesn't mean I hate the maintainers or that I don't want the original to exist or anything, it's not personal.
But well, I understand that some communities wanna make software and they intertwine development and social relationships. However, if you do this then I don't see how can independence be a thing. Either separate them and don't intermix them or mix them and don't expect them to be separate.
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They're kind of welcoming and accomodating with that. I've sent some drive-by PRs towards NixOS and it was always very easy and productive interactions.
But I guess it's more complicated at that scale. You can't just do whatever like in smaller projects. Someone needs to be in charge of money and finances, there will be dissent that doesn't just go away on its own. And mid- to longterm decisions need to be made. Architecture decisions and sometimes that's not easy and might be contrary to what the community needs and wants right now. It's just a lot of overhead, but larger projects work quite differently from smaller ones.
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You have to look at the history of NixOS for it to make sense.
It started out small and there was a small group of people hacking away on a cool project in their free time. Of course they had shared interests and so would like to hang out together to discuss. That is how the community formed.
At first neither the community nor the distro were big, and so there wasn't much tensions. When something needed to be done/paid for, some member of the community just took it up and did it, doocracy-style.
Then as time went on and both the software world and Nixpkgs got more complex, the resource usage got outside the realm of "some dude just runs a build box in their basement" and "some other dude hosts a binary cache on their Uni's servers". There were commercial players willing to donate money and resources, but that needed some management, both financially and logistically. This is how the Foundation was formed, at first just by the project's founder and some trusted friends.
Simultaneously, as the community attracted more and more people, it started to feel less like a tight-knit group of friends and more like a town square: you know a couple folks well, kinda recognize most usernames, but can't say you're familiar with everyone. Some discussions got heated, and it became clear we would need moderation; that's how the moderation team formed.
Another aspect of community growing was that you could no longer just host a meetup at a local cafe and needed a dedicated space and such for everyone to fit it. This is how NixCon started, and since it costs money to rent a space, there were calls for sponsorship.
At some point, Anduril (a US MIC company with suspiciously fascist-like opinions and tech) started using Nix. Since they wanted to hire Nix engineers and in general wanted to do have sway in the Nix community, they sponsored a conference. People really didn't like that, there was a huge drama with open letters and maintainers leaving. The drama also uncovered some other rifts in the now quite massive community, e.g. contributors were unhappy with the direction Eelco (the project's founder) was taking Nix itself, and how many PRs into Nix, including crucial bugfixes, remained unreviewed for months.
This prompted a bunch of relatively trusted people in the community coming together and drafting up the constitution, which formed a new formal, elected governance body for the community, the Steering Committee, who had the final authority to manage all aspects of community governance (except finances). After the first SC election things calmed down a bit. Eelco semi-voluntarily left the Foundation and most other positions of power, the Nix maintainer team grew and that helped a bit with PR reviews, etc.
But it seems now Anduril has hired a member of the SC (after they were elected), once again prompting people to be rightfully upset about them trying to insert themselves in the community. There's also some mostly unrelated thing with SC trying to control the moderation team (the control which they do have according to constitution), to do some potentially shady things.
Hopefully this lets you see why NixOS needs a community, and community governance, in order for things to work at all. Someone has to host the binary cache, run the builders (which needs some entity to manage finances - the Foundation); review PRs (that needs discussions and those discussions need the moderation teem to keep them productive); and merge them (that needs committers, which requires deciding who's trustworthy enough to do that).
And yes, you can just make PRs or send patches without community participation. Most folks in the community are both super nice and technically knowledgeable, regardless of their political stances. But the community has to be there. I really hope that both theses things get resolved during the next SC election (which is in a month or so).
If it’s rejected and enough other people are interested in the change, it can be forked.
And actually both the Nix project (as in, the codebase) and the community had seen multiple notable "forks" over the years: GNU Guix started out as a Nix fork, there's also Tvix which is a Rust rewrite, Lix which is a code/community fork that happened after the first Anduril drama, etc. The latter two kind of rely on Nixpkgs and the associated build/cache infrastructure because maintaining that is expensive.
I see, thanks for the overview.
If NixOS really does need a community in order for things to work at all, and it cannot be independent from it, then it looks like the moderation team asking for independence is a hard ask. It'll require restructuring it.
However, with this context it looks to me that what they are asking is not really independence for the moderation team, but independence from Anduril.. which are 2 completely different things. The message is misleading.
Well, yes, there are two separate contentious points.
The Anduril thing actually happened a month or so ago. I feel like this will be resolved at the next election, since tomberek's term is ending and I don't think he will be reelected, knowing how much most people in the community hate US MIC.
The moderation team independence is more complicated. It looks like the Steering Committee tried to remove a member from the moderation team, and also tried to push a new member onto it. I don't know the exact details there. If we just read the constitution, the SC has that power, but the moderation team was very unhappy with what they see as meddling in their affairs for political reasons, and decided to quit out of protest. I feel like the new member was a right-wing (in the context of the kinda leftist Nix community anyway) political appointment (since the stated reason was "to balance things out politically" and the mod team was mostly leftist), but don't know for sure and this is pure speculation. In any case, I think the moderation team is special and should not be under complete control of the SC (unlike purely technical teams). I don't know how that would look like, and indeed as you say a restructuring is needed. Maybe the SC should only be able to veto people joining the team, but the candidates have to be chosen by the mod team themselves, and in order to disband the mod team the SC must disband themselves too. Otherwise the moderators will have no good way to moderate any discussion involving SC.
First things first: a simple search for "anduril nixos" shows that NixOS and Anduril Industries (defense technology) have been entangled for years.
So, pretty sure there's plenty history & dissent here, but I never dived into it.
In detail this looks like just another community drama, but when you zoom out a different picture emerges: commercial interest, a will to silence dissent (and I will give them the benefit of the doubt that it isn't for ideological reasons but simple worry about money). The Enshittification of a distro. With a military/fascist twist.
Here's an interesting detail:
Unfortunately, the Constitution does not provide a meaningful recourse to SC overreach
So they have a flawed "constitution" which - judging by its name - should supersede the steering committee. It's not like it's really a constitution though, with all that would entail. It sounds more like, hm, "communitywashing" to me. Still, I wonder if they're willing to take that colorful terminology one step further and make an amendment to said constitution.
So yeah, political bias and unilateral decisions.
I've always been leery of NixOS, and I mean since they started pushing it over a decade ago, always claiming it's revolutionary better than $STANDARD_LINUX_DISTRO.
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First things first: a simple search for “anduril nixos” shows that NixOS and Anduril Industries (defense technology) have been entangled for years.
It's more like Anduril using Nix{OS} and trying to insert themselves into the community. There's been a lot of opposition to that, including an open letter and maintainers quitting; this was a big part of the reason for Steering Committee formation in the first place. The SC has since voted on some based things, like banning Anduril from job posting on community forums and sponsoring conferences. I was hoping they would just ban any mention of Anduril anywhere, but that's going too far for them unforutenately; and banning technical contributions wouldn't make sense.
An SC member joining Anduril (after being elected, not before, mind you) is really bad, but I bet they will lose their seat in a month's time when there's a new election. The community is mostly antifascist and thus anti-MIC. It's like one of the most leftist technical communities I've seen, perhaps more so than Rust.
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It’s like one of the most leftist technical communities I’ve seen, perhaps more so than Rust
Rust is on the left? That's (cough) GNUs to me ;).
Rust is socially vaguely on the left/progressive side, yes. Not so much economically of course, because of all the corporate involvement.
GNU has some right-wing libertarian culture in it, but is also vaguely leftist and anti-corporate otherwise. I would actually say Rust is slightly more progressive than GNU on social issues, but not by much; and GNU is more anti-corporate, but also not by much.
I know there some other more certainly leftist FOSS projects out there (like the one we're chatting on right now 😉) but overall Nix is pretty good on that front.
How so? I feel like if we're making jokes based on the language itself it would be more like the "straightest" language because of how strict it's type system is. It seems like a sort of "there are two genders" sort of thing. Rust seems like the homophobic language.
(And to be clear, this is just a joke based on the language, not a commentary on the Rust community.)
The most ridiculous thing in the conversations I read was someone arguing that the fact that Anduril has a member at SC (Steering Committee) weakens their position. The mental gymnastic is so insane to me because it completely naively expect people who have a conflict of interest to do the right thing. What if they don't ?
There is real smart fascists out there. they won't kindly "recuse themselves" and weaken Anduril positions. Very suspicious that someone would argue that Anduril gets weaker at SC by having people there.
The most ridiculous thing in the conversations I read was someone arguing that the fact that Anduril has a member at SC (Steering Committee) weakens their position. The mental gymnastic is so insane to me because it completely naively expect people who have a conflict of interest to do the right thing. What if they don't ?
The argument there was that they would be excluded of any votes related to said company.
It reads as an "honor" system rather than any objective exclusionary mechanism. Steering committee members are expected, and to their credit, were considered to have done so, but it all seems like judgement calls.
It is fully possible that grey areas or instances where other SC members didn't personally care, were not met with recusal.
It would overall be better to not have those conflicts be likely or even possible.
Didn't this exact situation, for this exact same reason happen last year already?
The current political climate really is making people be stupid.
Endurance will determine who wins these battles.
The current political climate is really stupid making people unsure about what to do.
FTFY
I've been saying this for years: Just switch to Guix.
- An official GNU project;
- Herd instead of systemd;
- Uses Linux Libre and only 100% free software;
- Big, friendly, helpful community;
- Regular meetups, unconferences and other events;
- Config is done in an established language (Scheme) instead of an idiosyncratic DSL.
Quite trivial
Nonguix / nonguix · GitLab
Guix channel for packages that can't be included upstream. Please do NOT promote or refer to this repository on any official Guix communication channels.GitLab
Also, a fraction of packages, users and guides.
I think Guix is great, but as a NixOS enthusiast who genuinely wanted to try it out, I gave up in the face of the lack of docs for people who aren't working in lab or have a PhD in computing of some sort.
Also, how is shepherd better than systems? Genuinely curious.
Lastly, I agree Nix is not a very enjoyable language, but scheme doesn't look like a very beginner friendly option either. Could be wrong, I'm not a programmer.
If you are still trying to find the best guide, I recommend this one
thiscute.world/en/posts/my-exp…
OS as Code - My Experience of NixOS
It’s February 2024, exactly 10 months since I started using NixOS. The beginner notes I wrote initially have received a lot of positive feedback and some sponsorships, becoming one of the most popular entry-level tutorials in the entire community.Ryan Yin (ryan4yin)
How do you do Flakes with Guix? That's probably the most important feature Nix has.
Big, ... helpful community
Not sure I would agree with that lol
I was trying to package Typst for them once. The IRC barely gave me any help, nor did the mailing list, so I had to guess a lot of things on my own. I ended up spending several hours working on it and fine tuning it to what the documentation wanted as much as I could. Then I finally made the submission, which was ignored for an entire year, before finally being rejected. It's clear that the package repository has a severe lack of packages, but if there's no clear way to contribute, then idk how anyone can take the project seriously.
I've also encountered bugs that made the tools unusable on my laptop that similarly got no response on IRC and the mailing lists.
Meanwhile on Nix, if I submit an issue on Nixpkgs, it will usually get resolved by the maintainer in 24 hours, or at most a week if it's a larger change, and I don't even have to do anything, and things aren't constantly broken on aarch64.
I've been eyeing Guix for a while but haven't jumped in yet. Honestly, I feel like I'm finally getting comfortable with nixos and flakes over the years. There's quite a bit of un/relearning to do, and I can't tell if the flow of Guix's channels/inferiors would match the ease of composability that I like with flakes. The lock system really does it for me and I don't like the idea of hunting down refs to pin manually or maintaining my own frankenstein repo (other than my config).
That said, I do use emacs and actually like lisp, so I'm torn right now.
I'm not familiar with NixOS
However, short reminder that the internet was largely funded by the US military. It's not uncommon that the US military brings significant developments for the internet. This is nothing new. The latest outcry is solely because the US is sliding into fascism, not because of the involvement with the US military.
Can't the MIC just use any existing Linux distro?
I am trying to understand what the injury here is?
Is it mostly about reputational damage from association? Kinda like why are we eating the same food as MIC and at the same table? Is there an injury here beyond this that I am not seeing?
Couldn't the MIC shut down every FOSS project by declaring they love them and use them? I hope no FOSS dev is so simpleminded as to knee jerk like that.
We have to accept living in a dirty world with dirty people, to some extent. People we don't like will use our favorite projects sometimes. That's par for the course.
Where I would draw the line is implemeting some change into the distro that is either only or primarily useful for nefarious purposes, and is largely useless to 99% of normal/ethical use cases. Now THAT would be a real problem, and a real red line, imo.
And now DHH is getting involved in this shitshow. For those not chronically online enough, DHH is one of the developers of Rails, has a rap sheet of drama, and has his own dirty laundry full of racism, transphobia, and has managed to drive his own company into the shitter.
So really a bunch of winners are coming out of the woodwork for this one.
As a happy Debian user i'm not hearing any of it.
Breaking Camp
Basecamp announced it would ban “societal and political discussions” at work. But the hardest conversations at work were about the company itself. Platformer’s Casey Newton spoke with half a dozen employees about the controversy.Casey Newton (The Verge)
Sounds like interpersonal bullshit reframed as politics. Honestly impressed at the resignation letter being able to use so many words while avoiding actually directly explaining what they're upset about. Of course it would take something really egregious and extraordinary for me to give a shit, because..
The steering committee or board of trustees or whatever should be sitting the rules for the organization, up to an including adding or removing mods from a forum if they want. That's what they exist for. The idea that a mod team should be independent of the actual organizational structure of an institution is ridiculous.
Comet browser - why?
I have tried Comet from Perplexity and I don't get the hype.
Having used various AI tools for a while, I find them incredibly useful in my professional life. But packaging them into an environment that's supposed to overhaul my own decisions in my digital life seems to be excessive, unnecessary, and harmful.
There is a popular children's cartoon in Russia, from Soviet times. A boy gets transferred to a fairy tail land and wins himself two magical helpers that do everything for him. They make a lot of candies for him and then eat them. The kid was shocked: "So you're going to even eat everything yourself?! - Yuuup!"
I feel it's the same faulty system. I'd rather wish the generative toolkit being developed for the intended uses. Instead, it feels like the battles against unhelpful telephone bots that do everything except for answering your actual inquiry. But inside your own PC, for God's sake! Just why?.. it bugs me why companies invest money in something that I really, really can't understand the purpose of. My only guess it's to scam general public and use their usage data for training the actual usable models - who knows what for, but my inner conspiracy theorist screams "military".
Disclaimer: I'm a designer, not a tech specialist.
Scientists want to treat complex bone fractures with a bone-healing gun - Ars Technica
In more complex bone problems like severe, irregular fractures or resections done as part of bone cancer treatment, the bone won’t heal on its own. The most common means of stabilizing the injured site and making recovery possible is metal-based grafts, implants usually made with titanium alloys.The problem with such implants is that they are difficult and expensive to manufacture, and it’s very hard to make them patient-specific. “3D printing has been highlighted as a novel approach to make such personalized implants, but this also requires substantial time and money,” said Jung Seung Lee, a biomedical engineering researcher at the Sungkyunkwan University in Korea. So his team wanted to find a way to make bone implants that would be faster and cheaper than a 3D printer.
What they came up with was a modified glue gun. The idea was to make the implant right at the injured site during surgery. The surgeon would point the bone-healing gun at the fractured bone, pull the trigger, and create a stabilizing scaffold by extruding a filament that would solidify in the fracture and hold the bone together. “It was basically a tweaked commercially available hot glue gun. We modulated the temperature, and by adjusting the tip module, we could control the resolution of the extruded scaffold,” Lee said.
Coming up with the gun design, though, was the easy part. The hard part was figuring out the ammo.
Scientists want to treat complex bone fractures with a bone-healing gun
It’s a bit like a handheld 3D printer, with all the accuracy challenges that implies.Jacek Krywko (Ars Technica)
Réunion d'accueil en commun, organisée par Extinction Rebellion Montpellier et le comité local des Soulèvements De La Terre Montpellier
Envie de nous rencontrer et pourquoi pas de nous rejoindre ❓❗
Tu ne peux ou ne veux pas nous rejoindre sur le terrain ❓❗
Tu peux nous soutenir financièrement 💶😉
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Times of Israel also reported on it, in case you don't trust Al Jazeera for whatever reason.
Tens of thousands rally in Berlin against German support for Israel
More than 100,000 people protest in Berlin, urging a German policy change on Israel’s war on Gaza.Al Jazeera
Tens of thousands rally in Berlin against German support for Israel
More than 100,000 people protest in Berlin, urging a German policy change on Israel’s war on Gaza.Al Jazeera
Tens of thousands rally in Berlin against German support for Israel
More than 100,000 people protest in Berlin, urging a German policy change on Israel’s war on Gaza.Al Jazeera
Extremist positions and hate are held by actually only a few people, but with a lot of vested interests and power. Most people are decent and can't stand cruelty. But the few use bots and media control to spin their tale.
This is the reason why protesting works. Bots don't cancel their Disney Plus subscriptions, don't march on the streets, don't vote. Protesting sends those few a powerful message reminding them that the others are the majority.
I've been following this conflict for decades. The futility of all the outrage has always been a source of frustration for me.
I feel something changed now. Israel went too far this time. The tide has turned completely. I don't know if it's not too late for Palestine though. But things will never go back to the old status quo. And Israel has doomed itself on the long term but they're to stupid to see it. The US is on its way out on the world stage and Israel finds itself surrounded by hostile countries in the region, with no sympathy at all a cross the Mediterranean after all they've done.
Furry AI RP Cards
My dear furry friends!
For those who engage in a bit of furry-centric AI chat RP, where do you find your cards? I typically use Chub but I was hoping to find a new place for some interesting characters.
Edit: I genuinely don't understand the downvotes here. Is this is the wrong forum or something? I'm happy to remove it if needed.
I use Chub for this purpose too, so can't really help there
If you're using SillyTavern it also supports import from janitorai, so I take cards from there pretty often
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There was a wine company once that hired a new CEO and tied their bonus to how many more litres of wine he could move.
He cut the selling price in half (below cost) and walked away with a big bonus.
I dunno about the rest, but Lort means Shit in Danish.
the more you know...
Oh shit it's the same in Polish
Meat is a leading emissions source – but few outlets report on it, analysis finds
Meat is a leading emissions source – but few outlets report on it, analysis finds
Sentient Media reveals less than 4% of climate news stories mention animal agriculture as source of carbon emissionsJoe Fassler (The Guardian)
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About this article, one thing that I don't like is that once more the focus is on personal decisions. This shifts the focus from a systemic problem to personal problem. It's the industry that dictates regulations and policies through lobbying. Let's keep our eyes on the goal.
Edit: Of course boycotting the industry would be a great solution, and this doesn't even mean that someone needs to be vegan, or that they are loaded wth money. Or even avoiding bying these products would be great. Still, the most important thing imo is that industries stop doing what they do.
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I mean that's sort of the point of the article. Stopping climate change is going to require both systemic and personal change. Media likes to focus on the systemic parts:
mining, manufacturing, and energy production (55.9%); fossil fuels (47.9%); and transportation (34%)
And ignore the personal parts because people don't like to be told "this thing that brings you joy is killing the planet" and are more open to the idea that it's all just the big corporations faults and if we could just control/regulate them we can have a sustainable future without having to change our lifestyle.
We are going to have to change our lifestyle though and meat consumption is going to be a big part of that change. It's also a personal choice, it's not like cars where the system is basically forcing you to drive. You can become vegan or vegetarian tomorrow and the only cost would be to your taste. Sure there are some subsidies nudging you towards consuming meat, but rice and beans is still the cheapest diet there is and no amount of beef subsidies will make a burger the cheaper option.
It'd be able to pretty easily sustain the current population with more sustainable lifestyles and renewable infrastructure in the most polluting countries.
Industrial meat, consumerism, and fossil fuel use are all driven by capitalism. If we get rid of that and work on addressing those problems, we'd be chill.
This factually incorrect. Earth can sustain the current population easily - just not with our current death-spiral of capitalism.
It's also one of the core eco-fascist talking points.
Give me everything you've got!
I drank from a water hose as a kid, and I love to drink straight from the hose of knowledge.
Decent living for all: Can we meet basic needs and save the planet?
Modern life, with its many comforts and practicalities, relies on the extensive use of energy. While many places in the world need more energy to achieve higher standards of living, many countries still struggle to provide their populations with basi…Yale Environment Review
Malthus was a fascist and you're a fascist for repeating his bullshit.
Now back on topic: I'm pretty sure the couple companies that are mostly based on fossil fuels being responsible for around 90% of greenhouse gases are the main contributors to climate change, not meat production, even if it contributes too.
Someone who is "fairly certain" has done, I assume, their own research. If in the end they discover Malthusianism and found it so fitting that they ascribe to it, they have ascribed to fascist ideology.
I understand where you're coming from, but at some point we have to stop saying that people who have every information at their fingertips(the internet), and a world-vetted source if information (wikipedia) very accessible to them, it becomes a farcical ritual to keep defending them via ignorance, when it is, at best, learned incompetence and at worst full throated Nazi ideology.
in a world of anonymity, I like to judge people by their actions. And repeating fascist ideology makes someone fascist, in my eyes, especially when they double-down after it's pointed out.
Fascism is a far right ideology.
I'm very far left.
You seem to use "fascist" as an ad hominem fallacy.
you can claim whatever the shit you want. Doesn't change that you repeat fascist talking points, which makes you a fascist.
I am using fascist as a descriptor, not a repeat of claimed identity.
You're using it to attempt to discredit my statement.
That's the ad hominem logical fallacy.
If I'm wrong, show me data, and I'll retract my statement.
So you're telling me I could live in a world without meat but almost 10 times more people? Why would anyone want that?
I have to buy more steaks.
Beef industry groups take an active approach to messaging, including staffing a 24/7 “command center” in Denver that scans social media for negative stories and deploys counter-messaging.
Damn, as if watching out for Russia bots and Israel bots wasn't enough now we gotta watch out for beef bots.
I've gotten to 42% vegan, 42% lacto-vegetarian, and 14% omnivore, but I can and should do better.
But, I don't think individual action is the "right" solve for this. I think we have to cap emissions by regulation. We could do cap and trade if will had really good measures for removal and capture, but we can't depend on self-reporting for that.
Tradies leaving trucks running all day because they aren't paying for the fuel is an emissions source.
Buses idling at stops for tens of minutes at a time is an emissions source.
Target the people that are wilfully wasting resources.
If you look at the source of the data for emissions it's unclear that it's all from meat production: ourworldindata.org/greenhouse-…
Even if we take at face value that meat accounts for 60% of industrial agriculture emissions, as a proportion of total emissions that is still only 0.6 * 26% = ~16%. It's sizable, but perhaps we should be addressing the elephants in the room, in the "non-food" section, first.
How much of global greenhouse gas emissions come from food?
Estimates of food emissions can range from one-quarter to one-third. Where do these differences come from?Hannah Ritchie (Our World in Data)
As wasteful as our AI usage is it still has a function that couldn't be substituted. There's no other tool that could be used for, say, a certain subset of public health analysis or massive archival projects or image analysis.
Granted if we were using it in only those cases we'd need a fraction of the capacity. But the emissions we'd cut are much, much smaller than the savings from the meat industry. Last I checked all US datacenters (not just AI) were less than 3% of emissions. Building and running a computer isn't as disruptive as constantly moving millions of tons of meat + feed + equipment and minutae.
Commercial meat is a luxury because it can be entirely replaced by other calories + nutrients + supplements. And this is just a discussion on emissions but the other benefits of going meatless are just as notable (eg: agriculture is the #1 cause of ecosystem collapse; large public health benefits)
Commercial meat is a luxury
This is a take I've never heard before, it's not how I think luxury goods are defined, and I'm now genuinely curious as to what you consider a luxury product. Do you think that eating some chicken is the same as wearing a Hermes handbag, or driving a Lamborghini?
because it can be entirely replaced by other calories + nutrients + supplements.
This reads to me like it cannot be replaced without supplementation, which seems to be a critical flaw for people who are unable to supplement. I'm also of the opinion that calories are not a useful measure for nutrition, since our bodies are not bomb calorimeters.
A luxury is something pleasant or enjoyable but not strictly necessary. It's not a matter of how much more enjoyable it is but just that it can be functionally replaced (Lambo -> Toyota Corolla; Designer bag -> any other bag; Meat -> Plant proteins). Unless there's some rare medical condition that prevents eating anything but animal proteins, we have the means to replace it (as a massive commercial industry at the very least).
WRT alternative diets it really depends on what you replace it with. I believe there are technically some entirely vegan diets without supplements but if you're buying your meat from the store you could just as easily buy supplements from the same place and not worry about it.
I went meatless recently and even as an unabashed meat lover it really wasn't that bad. Vegan/vegetarian meat substitutes have advanced a ton in the past few years when I do get the craving, but I don't notice a day-to-day difference. The main annoyances have been limited restaurant menus and rebuilding my recipe catalog.
I see, so your definition of luxury good is "something that can be functionally replaced." I was thinking of the economic definition.
I don't think meat to be functionally replaceable with plant proteins. Heme-iron alone makes it very difficult to do, since iron from plants is far less bioavailable. What does a vegan diet do for Vitamin B12? Conspicuous consumption is not necessary for survival, but B12 very much is.
I don’t notice a day-to-day difference.
Changes from nutrition can take a long time to become manifest. I wish you longevity and good health.
IIRC there is exactly one variety of lentil that can supply B12, but otherwise it's mass produced via bacteria fermentation. At a certain age, most doctors recommend a daily vitamin supplement anyway so it's really a matter checking a few labels before you pick one to make sure your multivitamin matches your meatless diet.
I appreciate the well wishes, my doctor is already much happier with my visits 😂
The problematic nutrients are B12, D and Omega-3.
Food specifically for vegans such as plant milk is usually fortified with B12 and D. Vitamin D can also be gotten by touching grass. Linseed is a good Omega-3 source.
To quote my own comment on this post:
Animal farming is a waste of farmland, just grow human food directly without the mass murder and extreme inefficiency
It's strange how that same site, in a different article with the same author, lists a very different number of 18.4% for all Agriculture, of which livestock and manure makes up just 6%:
ourworldindata.org/ghg-emissio…
I suppose the difference depends on how things are defined and categorized.
Sector by sector: where do global greenhouse gas emissions come from?
Globally, we emit around 50 billion tonnes of greenhouse gases yearly. Where do these emissions come from? We take a look, sector-by-sector.Hannah Ritchie (Our World in Data)
That is misunderstanding the graph. That's only counting direct emissions. Feed production is a major source of emissions for animal agriculture
From the article:
“Livestock” emissions here include direct emissions from livestock only — they do not consider impacts of land use change for pasture or animal feed.
Yeah, because for the majority of the public it's a lost cause.
I haven't eaten meat in so long and I sincerely don't miss it but anytime I mention it to my friends it's unconscionable. I wasn't even pitching for them to be a vegetarian, I was pitching for them to eat smaller portions.
I brought up that we should stop subsidizing red meat so heavily so we can subsidize healthier foods, I might as well have been Judas himself.
The meat industry propaganda runs deep.
UN re-imposes sanctions once lifted under nuclear deal sabotaged by West
The UN Security Council re-imposes sanctions once lifted under a 2015 nuclear deal, in a move triggered by European states unfoundedly maligning Iran’s nuclear program, while disregarding the West’s own role in undermining the accord.
The council restored the bans on Sunday at 0000 GMT. They will again freeze Iranian assets abroad, halt arms deals with the Islamic Republic and target the country’s defensive missile program.
The move came nearly two days after the United States and its allies predictably vetoed a draft resolution submitted by China and Russia on delaying the so-called “snapback” mechanism inside the deal that would return the bans.
UN re-imposes sanctions once lifted under nuclear deal sabotaged by West
The UN Security Council re-imposes sanctions once lifted under a 2015 nuclear deal, in a move triggered by European states unfoundedly maligning Iran’s nuclear program.PressTV
Download Eden a Switch emulator as long as you can
**cross-posted from beehaw.org/post/22388618**
It's reported that the Google Play store entry of Eden emulator (a Switch emulator) is no longer available. We don't know the reason, but my educated guess is that Nintendo might have striked. I recommend to download current official clean builds and source code for backup, just in case you want to use it later.
- Homepage: eden-emu.dev/
- Downloads: github.com/eden-emulator/Relea…
- Source: git.eden-emu.dev/eden-emu/eden
I personally still use last official build of Yuzu, even today (playing Tears of the Kingdom). I never tried Eden, but it might be useful to archive it, so I do not need to download builds of others if I can't build it from source for any reason.
Here is a random article about this subject: androidauthority.com/play-stor…
Switch emulator Eden is now on the Play Store (Update: Confirmed)
One of the best Nintendo Switch emulators is now on the Google Play Store, becoming the first to accomplish the feat.Ryan McNeal (Android Authority)
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Push the code to radicle and they won't be able to take it down.
Never heard of this. Why use it over Torzu?
A google play store entry already leads me to believe the developers are morons.
Shein chiude e delocalizza in Polonia
Il colosso cinese SHEIN ha confermato la chiusura del polo logistico di Stradella ed il trasferimento delle attività in Polonia.
Centinaia di lavoratori il primo gennaio prossimo si troveranno senza impiego.
glistatigenerali.com/economia-…
SHEIN conferma: chiude l'hub di Stradella - Gli Stati Generali
“Tra i lavoratori serpeggia un mix di rabbia e depressione” mi racconta Sergio Antonini, segretario della Filt CGIL di Pavia. Fiege Logistik, gruppoMarco Veruggio (Gli Stati Generali)
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Nano Banana
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Ukraine nuclear plant enters fifth day on emergency power as Zelenskyy announces $90B arms deal
Ukraine’s Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant entered its fifth day running on emergency generators Saturday, creating mounting safety concerns at Europe’s largest nuclear facility.
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New Electricity Pricing Model Introduced in Europe to Cut Costs
From 1 October, you can buy electricity per quarter, not just per hour as now
uBlock Origin - Free, open-source ad content blocker.
uBlock Origin is not just an “ad blocker“, it's a wide-spectrum content blocker with CPU and memory efficiency as a primary feature. Developed by Raymond Hill.uBlock Origin
Polls open in decisive Moldova election plagued with Russian interference claims
Polls opened in Moldova on Sunday in parliamentary elections that could see the country swerve from its pro-European path towards Moscow, with the government and the EU accusing Russia of "deeply interfering". The results of the critical election are expected later on Sunday.
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Polls open in decisive Moldova election plagued with Russian interference claims
Polls opened in Moldova on Sunday in parliamentary elections that could see the country swerve from its pro-European path towards Moscow, with the government and the EU accusing Russia of "deeply interfering".FRANCE 24
Israeli strikes and gunfire kill 59 in Gaza as ceasefire pressure mounts
Health officials say Israeli strikes and gunfire have killed at least 59 people across Gaza. This comes as international pressure grows for a ceasefire, but Israel's leader remains defiant.
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Big Tech Dreams of Putting Data Centers in Space
A sci-fi idea is gaining supporters, from billionaires to city councils. Whether it’s feasible is another matter.
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Brazil's president has signed a ban on selling loot boxes to minors as part of a larger online child safety law
The loot box ban will go into effect in March.
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24 Pakistanis among 27 crew aboard LNG gas tanker attacked by Israel at Yemen port
Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi said on Saturday that an Israeli drone attacked a liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) tanker with 27 crew members, including 24 Pakistanis, while docked at a Yemeni port earlier this month, Anadolu reports.
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Warner Bros Joins Disney In Suing Sling TV For Making Streaming Video Cheaper And More Convenient
Earlier this month we noted how Disney and ESPN had sued Sling TV for the cardinal sin of actually trying to innovate. Sling TV’s offense: releasing new, more convenient day, weekend, or week-long shorter term streaming subscriptions that provided an affordable way to watch live television.
Warner Bros Joins Disney In Suing Sling TV For Making Streaming Video Cheaper And More Convenient
Earlier this month we noted how Disney and ESPN had sued Sling TV for the cardinal sin of actually trying to innovate. Sling TV’s offense: releasing new, more convenient day, weekend, or week…Techdirt
Americans think crime is increasing across U.S. – just not in their city, poll finds
Almost half of Americans said that crime, which was the third biggest concern behind inflation and political polarization, had increased across the whole country
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More Ships Join Greta Thunberg's Gaza Flotilla to Break Blockade
Further ten ships will join the fleet with Greta Thunberg and other activists who will sail towards Gaza to break Israel's blockade
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Reports: EA set to be sold to private investors for up to $50 billion
Saudi investment fund, Jared Kushner are reportedly among the interested buyers…
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Zelenskyy says he knows exact target of Hungarian spy drones in Ukraine
Hungary's drone surveillance of Ukrainian industrial facilities follows the 2025 discovery of a Hungarian military intelligence network in Zakarpattia.
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Switzerland votes on electronic identity cards for second time
The proposal was revised after voters rejected the idea in 2021 amid concerns over data protection.
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The US navy killed 17 in deadly strikes. Now Venezuela is giving civilians guns
Tensions between the two countries have increased after the US Navy targeted boats off the coast of Venezuela.
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Visual evidence upends Israel’s official story for deadly attack on Gaza hospital
The Israeli military had said they targeted a Hamas camera in an August strike, but a Reuters investigation found the device actually belonged to the news agency. An Israeli military official now says troops fired without required approval. Five journalists died in the attack. Their deaths are among some 200 journalist killings by Israel that it has yet to fully explain.
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Beyond Left and Right. Digital ID is Everyone’s Enemy
Beyond Left and Right. Digital ID is Everyone’s Enemy
The ruling class dresses up its schemes as progress. Every new mechanism of control is sold as convenience, safety, or efficiency. Digital ID is their latest trick. Governments and corporations cla…The Polar Bl@st
Wow, so many words but no real explination for the extreme stance this author takes against the e-ID other than "Class oppression" or whatever...
And then you need to accept 1000 cookies before you can read.
And then you need to accept 1000 cookies before you can read.
In my case I just had to click 2 buttons to disagree. Still annoying but not as infuriating as those checkboxes which you have to uncheck.
It sure would suck if the government had information on your driving license and passport already, so that they could identify you, or that you carry around a mini GPS beacon in your pocket, allowing you to be tracked as long as there is signal....
What a nightmare that would be
I've had to research digital ID backend architecture in depth, and I'll be honest, the digital ID itself isn't the problem. If anything it's more sane and efficient, and certainly doesn't add any more data than you've already given the government. What ELSE do expect there to be?
The issue with digital IDs is how they're used by vendors and websites, and what data from interactions is recorded. If a digital ID system used a third-party audited Zero Knowledge Proof system, it would actually be better than the unholy mess we have now with every service scrounging for your data and face.
But, the day a government does a tech thing right on the first try is the same day I sprout wings from my ass and fly away.
Oh that's a sexy form factor! It does fold and hold the card in place right?
I do have a card reader already but its cable isn't in top shape. Any reference?
i don't know if the current solution of sending a photo of a physical ID together with a selfie to facebook is any better in terms of control or privacy. while at the same time i believe more places will ask to ID you when a digital ID happens in a given country
and i don't think it's an "if" either. we do have reasons to ID people irl too and the more life happens online the more those reasons also appear online. the only thing to me that is realistic is to work to have those solutions implemented the right way with as little possibilities for surveillance as possible. otherwise we just keep sending selfies and pictures of IDs around forever
This Family Will Return Home After Helene. Their Onerous Journey to Rebuild Shows Why Many Others Won’t.
One North Carolina Family’s Journey to Rebuild After Hurricane Helene: Watch
One year after the hurricane’s devastation, the Hills are among the first in their community to almost finish rebuilding their home. They are the lucky ones who succeeded in navigating an arduous federal disaster aid system.ProPublica
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What Liberals Get Wrong About Trump’s Executive Order on Antifa
What Liberals Get Wrong About Trump’s Executive Order on Antifa
Liberals dismiss antifa as just an idea. That opens up the activists, researchers, and organizers to a real risk of persecution.Matthew Whitley (The Intercept)
I Am on Kirk’s “Professor Watchlist.” I Know How It Destroys Civil Debate.
I Am on Kirk’s “Professor Watchlist.” I Know How It Destroys Civil Debate. | Truthout
I deeply value free speech and debate. The watchlist created by Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA is anathema to both.Anton Woronczuk (Truthout)
Police drone tracks Walmart theft suspect in real time
A California police department's drone program helped officers track down and arrest a suspected repeat shoplifter who attempted to flee on a stolen bicycle Tuesday morning and might otherwise have gotten away, officials said.
The incident happed at a Walmart in Clovis, California, where police were called just after 8 a.m. for a known shoplifting suspect. The department's "Drone First Responder" (DFR) program proved crucial in the arrest, officials said.
"The suspect at Walmart stole a bicycle from inside the store, which the staff thought he would, and he took off on that bike," Clovis Police Public Information Officer Ty Wood told ABC News Fresno station.
The suspect, identified by police as 19-year-old Sean Baker, was tracked by the drone as he crossed a nearby street. He now faces charges including shoplifting, possession of burglary tools and obstructing an officer, according to police.
The police spokesperson told ABC News that the department's DFR program currently operates two drones, which can cover more than 90% of community. The department has already ordered a third drone for next year, the spokesperson said.
"We realize that drones are not going to be taking the place of a law enforcement helicopter, but with a city our size, we can't afford a helicopter. These drone first responders are definitely a game changer," the spokesperson told ABC News.
The drones, which typically fly at 200 feet, are equipped with advanced camera systems.
"These cameras are fantastic," Wood told ABC30. "We have the ability to see license plates and get physical descriptions of suspects."
A key advantage of the program is the drones' ability to arrive at scenes before officers. The spokesperson said responding officers can view live drone footage from their patrol car computers while en route to calls.
The suspect "went behind other retail businesses and he would have been lost if it weren't for the drone," Wood told ABC30.
The department, which serves a community of over 129,000 residents, launched its drone program in 2020, according to the spokesperson. The initiative has since become an important part of the department's Real Time Information Center (RTIC), which combines various surveillance systems used for public safety.
Police drone tracks Walmart theft suspect in real time: Police
A California police department's drone program helped officers track down and arrest a suspected repeat shoplifter, officials said.Doc Louallen (ABC News)
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The department, which serves a community of over 129,000 residents, launched its drone program in 2020,
no amount is too much for catching a bike thief /s
5 years of "drone program" for a community of 129000. They can sleep better now that the "suspected shop lifter" is at last arrested 🤷 those police toys must have been expensive, if they're making news about this
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My god, you people are insufferable.
I'm glad you're not in positions to make decisions that actually have an impact on the world.
These forums are you containment zones.
Of course, maintain the hierarchy of capital which sees most humans as serving the hierarchy and terminating those who defy "the order" for "their own good" of course, because as the central tenets of this religion asserts, exploitation of capital benefits "everyone". As in, this meritocracy structure allows anyone to become King Bezos through "hard work"(*).
Since anyone could become king meritocatically, therefore they all benefit from the equal and just potential, to receive "each according to their needs and from each according to their ability" anyone who opposes this system in fact opposes their own interests and those of other, therefore justifying the deployment of unlimited violence to neutralize the threat, for everyone's interests including the perpetrator.
can you pls explain what you mean in more depth?
your original post is sufficiently vague that tbh i don't blame people for assuming you were just bootlicking? [which probably says more about the state of the world than you as an individual, but honestly it's not clear what you're trying to say?]
we all know a random citizen/local business presenting an identical calibre of evidence of repeated crimes would be extremely unlikely to routinely receive this degree of resource allocation.
so if it's an idealised aspirational universal "order" you're talking about then obviously noone's buying it - and i don't think you are either. so what do you mean?
Personally, I don't care what the morons on these forums end up assuming. They're incorrect more often than they're right, and each mistake makes me value their input even less.
Law enforcement exists to maintain order. I made no arguments on whether or not that should be the case, but the tribalist morons took my "wavering loyalty" as treachery and the dogpile ensued with everyone trying to fit in with each other.
I'm glad I can recognize these people for who they are, since nobody else will.
Fight Chat Control - Protect Digital Privacy in the EU
Learn about the EU Chat Control proposal and contact your representatives to protect digital privacy and encryption.fightchatcontrol.eu
Or they can give up chat control right now, they can give up that BS a-n-y-t-i-m-e
But if not, then taking out Russia and mildly inconveniencing states that are developping an authoritarian bent in their digital space, that's a win-win
My point is that you're arguing that Russia (which is currently ruled by a genocidal, authoritarian regime and is trying to force all of its citizens onto state-controlled social media to monitor everyone) would be a good ally in the fight to keep E2EE alive.
The amount of cognitive dissonance in your comments is disturbing
The only counter we currently have to state power is leveraging other states, getting them to fight one another until they're so damage that they let go of their fascistic plans to enslave and tag the entire population. Russia isn't going to politely send delegate to advocate against total state surveillance, they're doing it, every state is turning fasch and doing it. They are to embolden, to empowered and they don't respect of fear the population.
The only way to counter this trend is by distracting them with an existential crisis. They need "something" to save us from, when we are too safe and they are too powerful, they start treating us, as the enemy, as their pets, as their farm animal, cattle, we can't stop them doing that but we can send them to clash against enemy states to dissipate their violent, dominating, malignant energy
Officers can view live drone footage from their patrol car computers..
Interesting. I wonder who else can view that live video stream.
Yes, "you can look at it while parked" but the spokesperson specifically said:
"responding officers can view live drone footage from their patrol car computers while en route to calls."
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