Linus Torvalds Removes The Bcachefs Code From The Linux Kernel
Linus Torvalds Removes The Bcachefs Code From The Linux Kernel
With Linux 6.17 was the decision by Linus Torvalds to mark Bcachefs as 'externally maintained' and not accept any new Bcachefs code into the mainline kernel but keeping the existing code within the treewww.phoronix.com
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Proposition 50: Authorizes Temporary Changes to Congressional District Maps in Response to Texas’ Partisan Redistricting. Legislative Constitutional Amendment. [NOV 05 2025 | California]
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/36665946
Proposition 50
Authorizes Temporary Changes to Congressional District Maps in Response to Texas’ Partisan Redistricting. Legislative Constitutional Amendment.ANALYSIS OF MEASURE
BACKGROUND
U.S. Congress
U.S. Congress. The U.S. Congress is the part of the federal government that makes laws. Congress has two parts: the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives (House). Each of the 50 states is represented by 2 senators, with 100 senators in total. The House has 435 members. The number of representatives in the House for each state depends on how many people live in that state. Each member in the House represents an area of the state called a congressional district. California currently has 52 congressional districts. Voters who live in each congressional district elect one member of the House every two years to represent them. The next election for all 435 representatives will be in 2026.U.S. Census Counts States’ Populations Every Ten Years. The number of people living in an area goes up and down over time. Every ten years, the U.S. Census counts the number of people who live in the U.S. The last census was in 2020, and the next census is in 2030. This count is used to determine how many people live in each state and how many representatives in the House each state gets for the next ten years.
Congressional Redistricting
Each State Draws Congressional District Maps Following the U.S. Census. Every ten years, after the U.S. Census is completed, states draw new congressional district maps to reflect their number of House representatives and where people live. This process is called “redistricting.” Each state decides what process to use to draw its new district maps. When drawing new maps, each state must follow federal laws. For example, each congressional district in the state must represent about the same number of people.
States Typically Do Not Redistrict Sooner Than Every Ten Years. States typically only draw congressional district maps every ten years, unless a court orders changes to comply with the law. In August 2025, however, the Texas Legislature passed a bill to adopt new maps for the 2026 elections without a court order. Several other states also are considering changes to their maps before the 2026 elections.
Congressional Redistricting in California. State legislatures draw congressional district maps in most states, but some states use commissions to do this job. Before 2010, the California Legislature drew the state’s congressional district maps. In 2010, California voters gave this job to an independent commission known as the California Citizens Redistricting Commission (Commission). The Commission includes 14 members: 5 Democratic members, 5 Republican members, and 4 members who are not registered with either of those political parties. When the Commission draws new congressional district maps, it must follow federal and state laws. For example, state law requires, among other things, the Commission to avoid splitting up neighborhoods or local communities of interest to the extent possible. State law also prohibits the Commission from considering political parties, current office holders, or people running for office when it draws the maps.
Current California Congressional Districts. The Commission drew the current maps for California’s 52 congressional districts. These maps were based on the 2020 U.S. Census and have been used since the 2022 congressional elections.
PROPOSAL
California’s Congressional District MapsUse Legislatively Drawn Congressional District Maps Until After the Next Census. Proposition 50 replaces California’s current congressional district maps with new, legislatively drawn maps. (The total number of districts would not change.) Proposition 50’s maps must follow federal law, but they are not required to follow the state requirements placed on the Commission. The state would use Proposition 50’s maps for congressional elections starting in 2026. The state would use these maps until the Commission draws new district maps, following the 2030 U.S. Census.
National Congressional Redistricting
Call for Change in Federal Law. Proposition 50 asks the U.S. Congress to change federal law and propose an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to require redistricting be done by “fair, independent, and nonpartisan redistricting commissions nationwide.” Proposition 50 expresses voter support for this idea, but does not change federal law or require any particular action of Congress or the California Legislature.
FISCAL EFFECTS
Minor One-Time Costs to County and State Elections Officials. Counties run elections, and the state oversees them. Because most congressional districts in California would change at least some under the new maps, county and state elections officials would need to update election materials. This would result in one-time costs to counties of up to a few million dollars statewide and one-time costs to the state of roughly $200,000. The state amount is much less than one-tenth of 1 percent (0.1 percent) of the state’s roughly $220 billion General Fund budget. (The General Fund is the account the state uses to pay for most public services, including education, health care, and prisons.)
CURRENT AND PROPOSED CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT MAPS
This section shows maps of the current and proposed congressional districts (1) statewide, as shown in Figures 1 and 2; (2) in the northern part of the state, as shown in Figures 3 and 4; and (3) in the southern part of the state, as shown in Figures 5 and 6. A description of the census blocks represented by each district in the proposed maps can be found at the following website: leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fac…
Figure 1 - Current Congressional Districts
Notice of Correction. Figure 2 in the analysis of Proposition 50 contained a typographical error. District 27, which is to the right of District 26, was incorrectly labeled as District 22. This typographical error has been corrected.
Figure 2 - Proposed Congressional Districts
Figure 3 - Current Northern Congressional Districts
Figure 4 - Proposed Northern Congressional Districts
Figure 5 - Current Southern Congressional Districts
Figure 6 - Proposed Southern Congressional Districts
YES/NO STATEMENT
A YES vote on this measure means: The state would use new, legislatively drawn congressional district maps starting in 2026. California’s new maps would be used until the California Citizens Redistricting Commission draws new maps following the 2030 U.S. Census.
A NO vote on this measure means: Current congressional district maps drawn by the California Citizens Redistricting Commission (Commission) would continue to be used in California until the Commission draws new maps following the 2030 U.S. Census.
SUMMARY OF LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S ESTIMATE OF NET STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT FISCAL IMPACT
- One-time costs to counties of up to a few million dollars statewide. County costs would be to update election materials to reflect new congressional district maps.
BALLOT LABEL
Fiscal Impact: One-time costs to counties of up to a few million dollars statewide to update election materials to reflect new congressional district maps.^[[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250918004136/https://lao.ca.gov/BallotAnalysis/Proposition?number=50&year=2025]
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- Fixed hyperlink for [1]
Proposition 50 | Official Voter Information Guide | California Secretary of State
Official Voter Information Guide, November 4, 2025, California Statewide Special Election.voterguide.sos.ca.gov
Insights from the 2025 FreeBSD Community Survey | FreeBSD Foundation
Insights from the 2025 FreeBSD Community Survey | FreeBSD Foundation
The survey also underscored the importance of growing the next generation of contributors. While experienced developers continue to share deep expertise that keeps FreeBSD strong, it’s equally important to welcome fresh perspectives.FreeBSD Foundation
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Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner purchase kernel-level root access to your computer via purchase of Electronics Arts and their kernel anti-cheat Removed by mod
The updated rootkit will be uploaded and installed to your computer kernel automatically upon closure of the deal.
Of course, immediately removed by mods of /c/news
Does anyone know how to Find and uninstall ALL steam games from my computer and ensure they are never accidentally installed again ?
Fortnite disables Peacemaker emote that might resemble a swastika
Epic will “inquire into our partner’s creative intentions” before making a final decision.
Trump’s NSPM-7 Alarms Law Firms While Congress Is Silent
Domestic terror watchlist to double, sources say
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Brave launches 'Ask Brave' feature to fuse AI with traditional search
Brave Software, the creator of the privacy-focused web browser and search engine, has introduced a new subsystem called Ask Brave that unifies search and AI chat into a single interface.
Harrods suffers new data breach exposing 430,000 customer records
UK retail giant Harrods has disclosed a new cybersecurity incident after hackers compromised a third-party supplier and stole 430,000 records with sensitive e-commerce customer information.
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[Announcement] Play the Path of Exile 2 Boss Rush Event at Brasil Game Show 2025
Next week, Path of Exile 2's Boss Rush Event will be available at Brasil Game Show 2025! If you're attending the expo, be sure to visit our booth and challenge yourself against 15 bosses. Check out this announcement to find out more about the event.
Brasil Game Show 2025 - Tickets are still available!
- When: 10 October -- 12 October 2025, from 1:00 PM to 9:00 PM
- Where: Booth PO02 - Distrito Anhembi Av. Olavo Fontoura, 1209 - Santana, São Paulo
Good luck, Exiles!
Early Access Announcements - Play the Path of Exile 2 Boss Rush Event at Brasil Game Show 2025 - Forum - Path of Exile
Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.Path of Exile
California Governor Newsom signs landmark AI safety bill SB 53
California Governor Newsom signs landmark AI safety bill SB 53 | TechCrunch
SB 53 requires large AI labs – including OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta, and Google DeepMind – to be transparent about safety protocols. It also ensures whistleblower protections for employees at those companies.Rebecca Bellan (TechCrunch)
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This is fluff. SB 243 is the real deal, which he already vetoed once.
The governor is also weighing another bill – SB 243 – that passed both the State Assembly and Senate with bipartisan support this month. The bill would regulate AI companion chatbots, requiring operators to implement safety protocols, and hold them legally accountable if their bots fail to meet those standards.
Disney reportedly lost 1.7 million paid subscribers in the week after suspending Kimmel
Disney reportedly lost 1.7 million paid subscribers in the week after suspending Kimmel
An independent reporter claims that more than 1.7 million paying subscribers canceled their plans to DIsney streaming services.Anna Washenko (Engadget)
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F-Droid says Google’s new sideloading restrictions will kill the project
F-Droid says Google’s new sideloading restrictions will kill the project
F-Droid sees Google’s plans as a threat to FOSS apps.Ryan Whitwam (Ars Technica)
[Feed] BSD-related users and communities
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Argentina’s soy exports to China soar, angering US
Argentina’s soy exports to China soar amid US bailout, fuelling tensions in Trump camp
China’s soybean buyers turn to Argentina after tax drop, leaving US farmers sidelined and Washington unhappy.Igor Patrick (South China Morning Post)
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My Thoughts on the Riyadh Comedy Festival | David Cross
My Thoughts on the Riyadh Comedy Festival
I’ve been asked for my opinion on the Riyadh Comedy Festival and rather than answer the same question 23 times, I’ll just put this out here.Official David Cross Online Store
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Democrats leave White House with no deal
With just over 24 hours before the government is set to shutdown, Donald Trump and congressional leaders from both parties emerged from a high-stakes White House meeting on Monday with no agreement, setting the stage for large swaths of the federal government to close after midnight Wednesday.
The impasse came after closed-door talks between the four top congressional leaders and Trump in the Oval Office, where lawmakers appeared to trade blame but make little progress towards a deal. “There are still large differences between us,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters after the meeting, claiming that Republicans refused to engage on their core demands around health care and restoring previous funding cuts.
“Their bill has not one iota of Democratic input,” he added, taking aim at a House-passed seven-week stopgap funding bill that Senate Democrats rejected last week. “That is never how we’ve done this before.”
https://time.com/7321745/government-shutdown-trump-meeting-democrats/
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China highlights achievements of water infrastructure during 14th Five-Year Plan period
China highlights achievements of water infrastructure during 14th Five-Year Plan period
China has built the world's largest, most comprehensive and most populous water infrastructure system, said officials from China's Ministry of Water Resources on Monday at a press conference about the achievements of the country's water conservancy d…CGTN
Over 40 percent of US citizens believe backing Israel ‘not in national interest’: Poll
cross-posted from: hexbear.net/post/6276729
Snip:A new poll released by Quinnipiac University on 24 September has revealed that support for Israel continues to drop significantly across the US.
Only 47 percent of US citizens believe that backing Israel is in Washington’s interest, the poll shows. Forty-one percent believe it is not, and 12 percent did not respond. This marks a drop from December 2023, when Quinnipiac polling showed that respondents supported Israel by a 69–23 margin.
The poll also found that 49 percent of US voters have a negative view of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Only 21 percent hold positive views on the premier.
It also found that 56 percent of US voters disapprove of US President Donald Trump’s handling of the Gaza war.
Over 40 percent of US citizens believe backing Israel ‘not in national interest’: Poll
The poll shows that half of US voters have a negative view of Netanyahu, while a majority believe Trump has ‘mishandled’ the situation in Gazathecradle.co
How the Supreme Court’s Affirmative Action Decision Legitimized Stephen Miller
Miller’s role, The Guardian notes, helps account for the shaky legal justification the administration has provided for the attacks: The Trump administration claims the president was using his authority under Article II of the Constitution, based on the notion that the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua is a foreign terrorist organization. This recalls Miller’s repeated assertions that TdA is “running Venezuela” in his argument for deporting Venezuelan immigrants under the Alien Enemies Act.
The revelation about Miller’s role also recalls reports that he mused about bombing unarmed immigrants in boats as an adviser in the first Trump administration.
Miles Taylor, a former Department of Homeland Security official who resigned in Trump’s first term and became a vocal critic of the president, recounted an exchange between Miller and the then-commandant of the Coast Guard—which Miller vehemently denies—in his book Blowback.
How the Supreme Court Gave Cover to Stephen Miller’s Racist Agenda
The high court basically provided conservatives the template for the war on DEI.Dahlia Lithwick (Slate)
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50 years on, has China left Europe behind in the race for a hi-tech future?
50 years on, has China left Europe behind in the race for a hi-tech future?
Chinese firms have caught up with and in some cases overtaken their European rivals, putting the EU on the defensive.Meredith Chen (South China Morning Post)
HarmonyOS 5 Devices Surpass 20 Million Units - Voila!News
September 29, 2025 – Huawei Executive Director and Head of the Terminal Business Group, Richard Yu (Yu Chengdong), officially announced today that the number of devices running HarmonyOS 5 has exceeded 20 million units.Richard YANG (Voila!News)
20M units in China is too small to count as a rounding error.
When one Chinese phone company hired an American CEO he talked in interviews about how experimentally selling 50M units of a test prototype suggested it might have potential.
In 10 months though and practically limited to the Chinese market? I think it is still an impressive figure.
The first device to feature HarmonyOS NEXT at sale was the Huawei Mate 70, which went on sale in China in November 2024.
Compare that with both Android and the iPhone which had global availability and took until 2010 to reach the same milestone.
China deployed alternatives to everything.
Alternatives to Nvidia AI chips, Volkswagen cars, TSMC chip foundries,
ASML lithography machines, ChatGPT AI software, F22 fighter jets.
And China has superior class solar panels, wind turbines, electric grids and batteries.
The EU has lithography machines that's dependent on the US
and electric cars that are inferior to Tesla and those are their crown jewels.
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Brazilians’ negative views of US double, China sees sharp rise in positives: poll
Brazilians’ negative views of US double, China sees sharp rise in positives: poll
Shift follows US President Donald Trump raising tariffs on Brazilian exports and tightening visa rules.Igor Patrick (South China Morning Post)
Germany’s Pistorius pours cold water on drone wall concept
Germany’s Pistorius pours cold water on drone wall concept
Repeated Russian incursions are increasing pressure on the EU and NATO to respond.Laura Kayali (POLITICO)
JB Pritzker Accuses ICE of ‘Harassing People for Not Being White’ Amid Chicago Immigration Crackdown
JB Pritzker Accuses ICE of ‘Harassing People for Not Being White’ Amid Chicago Immigration Cra ...
Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker slammed the Trump administration and U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement for the agency's presence in Chicago.Ahmad Austin Jr. (Mediaite)
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Netanyahu accepts Trump proposal to end war in Gaza
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/36860074
By Sean Mathews.
Published date: 29 September 2025 19:41 BST | Last update 430pm EDT
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Non starter, never give-up arms. It just gives the oppressor complete control and will only mean that Israel will fully take all the land and murder the people much much easier. Settlers will be able to swarm in and murder even more Palestinians. If your murder is going to happen anyway, then take as many of them as you possibly can.
OpenAI takes on Google, Amazon with new agentic shopping system | TechCrunch
OpenAI takes on Google, Amazon with new agentic shopping system | TechCrunch
This type of frictionless experience has the potential to spark a new movement in how people shop online – one that moves away from search engines like Google and e-commerce platforms like Amazon toward conversational agents with curated recommendati…Rebecca Bellan (TechCrunch)
Are you using a time machibe to access Amazon in the past? Because for me the experience looks more like this:
- I type in "amazon.com" in my browser
- I use the search bar and get a bunch of sponsored results that are not what I was searching for at all and all use the same garbage photoshopped photos
- I scroll through pages upon pages of irrelevant dropshipped garbage offered by companies like JHUVOY, BRILGOVA and other random letters.
- I finally find something that looks like it's not a cheap knockoff
- I add it to my shopping cart and click through offers for Amazon prime and offers for dropshipped garbage that I might want to add to my cart.
- I proceed to payment
Sigh, I really miss the old internet, I truly do...
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Netanyahu accepts Trump proposal to end war in Gaza
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/36860074
By Sean Mathews.
Published date: 29 September 2025 19:41 BST | Last update 430pm EDT
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Fallout without the bomb: Ukraine’s nuclear rhetoric is the real radioactive waste
Fallout without the bomb: Ukraine’s nuclear rhetoric is the real radioactive waste
Three decades after giving up the world’s third-largest arsenal, Kiev once again dangles the nuclear option – a move Russia will never allowRT
Netanyahu accepts Trump proposal to end war in Gaza
Published date: 29 September 2025 19:41 BST | Last update 430pm EDT
Netanyahu accepts Trump proposal to end war in Gaza
US President Donald Trump said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has agreed to end the war in Gaza, in a move he said would be the Israeli leader's "crowning achievement".Sean Mathews (Middle East Eye)
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Media and Medics Boat to Gaza to Launch Oct 1
NOTE 🚨: this is in addition to the current Global Sumud Flotilla coalition making its way to Gaza
The Freedom Flotilla Coalition (FFC) will launch a dedicated boat carrying international journalists and medical professionals to Gaza on October 1, 2025
The boat is scheduled to sail by October 1 and plans to join the other FFC and Thousand Madleens to Gaza boats on their journey.
For nearly two years, Israel has denied foreign journalists entry into Gaza, creating one of the most severe press blackouts in recent history… At the same time, Gaza’s health system has been systematically dismantled under Israel’s siege and bombardment.
In response, the FFC is assembling a boat of journalists and healthcare professionals to:
- Provide the international press an opportunity to report directly from Gaza
- Deliver urgently needed medical expertise and solidarity alongside Gaza’s decimated health workforce.
DNSNet: an open-source system wide ad and tracker blocker for Android (no root)
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/36657058
I'm just sharing here this app I use always on my phone, and I don't see many people talking about it.It's similar to DuckDuckGo app feature that block trackers across all the device, but this one is focused only on that, it also allows you to add your custom tracker URLs to block and monitor every request being made.
It's open source and available on F-Droid: f-droid.org/packages/dev.clomb…
GitHub: github.com/t895/DNSNetIt enables a VPN to intercept requests, so it can block URLs of trackers across all your apps. The app provides a list of URLs as you open it for the first time, you can choose a few options between less or more aggressive.
Obs.: The app don't tell, but when you add a custom URL you need to disable and enable it again.
DNSNet | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
Lightweight ad and content blockerf-droid.org
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Right-Wingers Melt Down Over Bad Bunny Headlining the Super Bowl Halftime Show
Right-Wingers Melt Down Over Bad Bunny Headlining Super Bowl
Bad Bunny is playing the Super Bowl Halftime Show, and right-wingers are not happy, railing against how the Latin artist has criticized Donald Trump.Nikki McCann Ramirez (Rolling Stone)
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The Man Behind Trump’s Push for an All-Powerful Presidency
Russell T. Vought spent years drawing up plans to expand presidential power and shrink federal bureaucracy. Now he is moving closer to making that vision a reality, threatening to erode checks and balances.
Buon Compleanno LibreOffice
LibreOffice compie 15 anni
LibreOffice celebra il suo quindicesimo anniversario come simbolo di libertà digitale, collaborazione globale e progresso tecnologico.Ferramosca Roberto (Linux Easy)
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Buon Compleanno LibreOffice
LibreOffice compie 15 anni
LibreOffice celebra il suo quindicesimo anniversario come simbolo di libertà digitale, collaborazione globale e progresso tecnologico.Ferramosca Roberto (Linux Easy)
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Thoughts on stremio? And more generally, when should I worry about trackers?
Hi,
I've seen stremio pop up a few times in my feed recently and decided to give a look. It's seems like I could use it with torrentio, but my concern is that the apps comes with a few trackers, amongst which 3 facebook trackers (share, login & analytics).
I don't know much about trackers, how they work, and what I should worry about, so I mostly try to avoid them, but could someone here tell me if I should worry about these facebook trackers (I don't use fb, but since it's pretty much the Devil itself...), and maybe suggest resources on how to get informed on trackers, what they do, and when to worry about it?
Thank you for your help.
Cheers,
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in reply to BombOmOm • • •The Ongoing BcacheFS Filesystem Stability Controversy
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in reply to BombOmOm • • •Agreed!
I don’t know what this is but it is a topic I am somewhat familiar with and it is somehow significant enough to be a headline.
Curious minds would like to know more.
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in reply to wurstgulasch3000 • • •The Ongoing BcacheFS Filesystem Stability Controversy
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in reply to just_another_person • • •nixon
in reply to just_another_person • • •It’s not lazy to ask someone who seems to know something about the topic within a discussion thread about said topic. You know more than I do on this.
I understand how you may not want to take the time to answer someone’s question but also you could have replied with the link you eventually did instead of saying “Seriously?” Within the context of calling others lazy you could also qualify under the same term since you took the time to respond but not with the answer.
With search being what it is nowadays I wouldn’t know if I am getting a good result to find out the answer since it is of a technical and specific nature I may or may not even know if I am familiar with to begin with. It could take me much longer to figure it out, or I will give up and not be interested in finding out more about a field you seem to have an interest and knowledge about and I am demonstrating I want to know more about.
I think it is fair to ask for more information from someone who shows more expertise in the topic before searching.
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in reply to just_another_person • • •There's no reason to be rude and insulting. It doesn't make the other person look lazy; it just makes you look bad, especially when you end up being wrong because you didn't do any research either. The article is garbage. It's obviously written by someone who wants to talk about why they don't like bcachefs, which would be fine, but they make it look like that's why Linus wanted to remove bcachefs, which is a blatant lie.
But if we click on the article's own source in the quote we see the message (emphasis mine):
Stability has absolutely nothing to do with it. On the contrary, bcachefs is explicitly expected to be unstable. The entire thing is about the developer, Kent Overstreet, refusing to follow the linux development schedule and pushing features during a period where strictly bug fixes are allowed. This point is reiterated in the rest of the thread if anyone is having doubts about whether it is stated clearly enough in the above message alone.
Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs fixes for 6.11-rc5 - Linus Torvalds
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in reply to just_another_person • • •No, comment is not true. You can use ZFS or BTFS, both of which are open source. ZFS just happens to be historically funded by Oracle, which is a good thing.
The reason is bcachefs has ~~major~~ stability problems (that don't allow it to meet kernel release schedules). hackaday.com/2025/06/10/the-on…
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The Ongoing BcacheFS Filesystem Stability Controversy
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in reply to fmstrat • • •fmstrat
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Everyone always says "Companies should fund FOSS instead of spending money on big corpos!", yet then this.
It's FOSS. It's auditable. Funding is a good thing.
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in reply to fmstrat • • •That's true, but we also know that funding can come with stipulations. Oracle is an especially sketchy company.
But that counts for all big tech I guess.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •LeFantome
in reply to fmstrat • • •“Major stability problems”. Hilarious. Get one person that actually uses bcachefs to confirm that. Good luck.
Kent has stability problems and drives me crazy but that is a baseless hit piece. Bcachefs is a solid fs.
Linus has not pushed back on the quality of bcachefs other than to say it is too unproven to rely on (too new). What Linus objected to was the process violations and the attitude of the lead developer.
Given how much Linus and the other LKML devs wanted to get rid of Kent, the fact that it took so long to dump him tells us that they really wanted to keep bcachefs (the technology).
There may have been more data loss bugs in btrfs and even OpenZFS than bcachefs since it was added to the kernel. I have many bcachefs systems. I have one btrfs system. Guess which one has caused me problems.
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in reply to LeFantome • • •My understanding is the stability risks come from active development additions vs "fixes" during that stage of the development cycle.
linuxiac.com/torvalds-expresse…
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YMMV, but my production systems will stick with ZFS since it's kernel release updates are clear when there are "upgrades" vs "updates", as you do those manually when it alerts you.
"Stable" in this context doesnt mean "your PC will definately crash and you will lose data!", bcachefs is well past that. It means that the development is too active to be considered production ready since the code changes are too large to confirm the scary bit won't happen (as much as can be).
Even JC threw in the towel on
bcachefs-toolsdue to this: phoronix.com/news/Debian-Orpha…Torvalds Expresses Regret Over Merging Bcachefs into Kernel
Bobby Borisov (Linuxiac)LeFantome
in reply to fmstrat • • •You certainly don’t have to use bcachefs. I love it but several of my systems will come off it Joe that it is out of the kernel. But not for technical reasons.
It is not that he changes were scary. Nobody had a problem with the changes. It was entirely process. It was “when” the changes were being submitted.
Kent always sent stuff in after the merge window. And when Linus rejected them, due to timing, Jent would throw a massive fit and start insulting everybody. Ironically he would complain about having to put up with “drama” from Linus.
So, Linus kicked him out.
Nothing to do with the code.
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in reply to interdimensionalmeme • • •whaleross
in reply to wurstgulasch3000 • • •eldavi
in reply to whaleross • • •what independently verifiable condition(s) will satisfy these requirements?
whaleross
in reply to eldavi • • •LeFantome
in reply to whaleross • • •That is a personality issue, not a code emergency.
There were two dozen patches submitted for 6.17 that were never merged. What has the fall-out been? Where are all the stories about data loss? I am sure they would hit the front page.
The file system can improve but it is already fine.
whaleross
in reply to LeFantome • • •The fallout for people knowingly risking their data beta testing a filesystem that is still in experimental and some users running into issues and possibly corruption?
There are no stories because it is not a story when a test environment for finding bugs fails and the bugs get fixed. Nobody with data they can not lose are putting it on bcachefs because why would they.
Thanks for running a test environment though. Please take backups of anything important, just in case.
gian
in reply to LeFantome • • •True, but it is an indication that the developer cannot follow a common rules. Simply Torvalds was tired of how he behaved.
And so ? A patch can be submitted but never merged, for whatever reason. Problem is: these two dozen patches were submitted during the -RC cycle ?
Good. Now it it the developer that need to improve his attitude to work in teams.
LeFantome
in reply to whaleross • • •I have been relying on the filesystem. It is excellent. It is mature enough.
Sadly, the lead dev for bcachefs is not mature enough.
jaxxed
in reply to LeFantome • • •I agree, on both statements.
It is easily stable enough for experimental use.
Phoenixz
in reply to jaxxed • • •jaxxed
in reply to Phoenixz • • •non_burglar
in reply to wurstgulasch3000 • • •The developer of bcachefs, Kent Overstreet, has repeatedly failed to abide by the expectations of kernel release schedules, particularly the rc (release candidate) stage, which is supposed to freeze new features until next release.
Kent has open-air arguments with Linus Torvalds about not being able to develop the way he wants to, Linus Torvalds does not like wasting time discussing it with Kent.
IMO, Kent created this situation himself. He'll be happier developing outside upstream anyway.
It should be noted that while some folks have commented that bcachefs was not ready for upstream, several kernel devs have a lot of respect for the technical quality of Kent's work, so I think the argument of whether bcachefs is good or not good is separate from Kent's behaviour as a kernel contributor.
jaxxed
in reply to non_burglar • • •buttnugget
in reply to jaxxed • • •jaxxed
in reply to buttnugget • • •To be more clear, before he got his code mainlined, you needed to run h8s full fork of the kernel, with changes made not just to the cache code itself, but also to other parts.
Not all of his changes went in though; but the differences got sorted out enough that the vast majority of his newer changes were driver only.
That said, he was still ruffling feathers about wanting some fast moving kernel changes.
buttnugget
in reply to jaxxed • • •jaxxed
in reply to buttnugget • • •buttnugget
in reply to jaxxed • • •Auli
in reply to non_burglar • • •erock
in reply to John • • •non_burglar
in reply to erock • • •daggermoon
in reply to erock • • •Tiuku
in reply to daggermoon • • •Matriks404
in reply to daggermoon • • •Jakeroxs
in reply to daggermoon • • •On top of being confusing, I had my whole proxmox node crash because the ZFS pool randomly crashed out multiple times 🤷♂️
Probably due to the consumer grade nvme I was using it on but... Still why?
Also used a lot of extra ram just to function
_stranger_
in reply to Jakeroxs • • •Jakeroxs
in reply to _stranger_ • • •Auli
in reply to daggermoon • • •enumerator4829
in reply to Auli • • •Friends don’t let friends run erasure coding on BTRFS.
Personally, I don’t run anything on BTRFS. I like having my data intact and I also want two parity drives in my pools.
jaxxed
in reply to John • • •xiwi
in reply to jaxxed • • •daggermoon
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