Based on current deployment rates, it is likely that solar will surpass wind as the third-largest source of electricity. And solar may soon topple coal in the number two spot.
Looking ahead, through July 2028, FERC expects no new coal capacity to come online based on its “high probability additions” forecast. Meanwhile 63 coal plants are expected to be retired, subtracting 25 GW from the 198 GW total, and landing at about 173 GW of coal capacity by 2028. Meanwhile, FERC forecasts 92.6 GW of “high probability additions” solar will come online through July 2028.
Solar and wind represent about 11% to 12% of the energy mix each, while coal sits just under 15%. Developers brought online 16 GW of solar out of a total 21.5 GW electric generation capacity cumula…
That's been the joke of Solar for a while. Engineers could have told you all the way back in the 1970s (really, the 1910s) that it costs less money to leave a big plate out in the bright sun than to drill a giant hole and hope there's enough spicy rocks at the bottom of it to justify the expense.
We should have crested this hill a lot sooner, but the heavy emphasis on subsidized fossil fuels during the 80s, 90s, and 00s kept these fuels artificially cheap. Meanwhile, fossil fuel firms actually did invest in Green Energy R&D but only for the purpose of erecting "patent thickets" that would hinder competitive growth of these alternatives.
This “patent thicket” can create barriers to innovative low-carbon technologies, particularly in markets requiring expensive licensing fees or with complex patent litigation (Cannuscio 2008). A strengthened IPRP can increase market concentration and reduce competition (Liu et al. 2018), with large corporations able to maintain market control in such environments through patents on key technologies. This control not only restricts the entry of emerging low-carbon technologies into the market but also perpetuates the reliance on existing high-carbon technologies.
This has lead to big surges in the development and deployment of Green Energy grids outside of the countries doing most of the cutting edge research. Americans are only now catching up.
You're really discounting that fossil fuels have hella bang for the buck, loads of power per gallon. tl;dr: Energy dense
I can run my little generator at camp all night long if there's as little as 3 gallons in there. Space heater or AC unit, lights, all that. I'd have to have many panels and batteries to compare to that output. My best battery is a huge LIPO4, trolling motor can't kill it, not even close. But leaving the LED lights on for a little over a day drained it dry.
We need way more solar infrastructure to get where we're going, and I'm all about it. But since since the GOP has decided to go back in time, China is going to smoke America, both in renewables and the associated economic benefits.
Did not know about the patent thing! Know any examples?
You’re really discounting that fossil fuels have hella bang for the buck, loads of power per gallon. tl;dr: Energy dense
Coal is generally the worst of the lot. Oil and gas burn cleaner and have more combustible by weight. Coal is energy dense but also heavy af and dirty as hell. It's also very common place and comparably safe to transport. And it is simpler to use.
Fine enough to warm your home or grill some meat. But you're not putting a rocket into orbit with coal.
My best battery is a huge LIPO4, trolling motor can’t kill it, not even close. But leaving the LED lights on for a little over a day drained it dry.
Sure. Broadly speaking you want to be hooked up to the grid to benefit from electricity. Anything portable is very ineffective for a litany of reasons.
Patents have a short life span. The patent wall keeps expiring and then everyone can use it no cost. the big improvements are long gone and all they can patent is small improvements you can do without (though you may not want to). They also run into those making things do their own r&d and have their own patents.
Years, depending on how it is used and renewed. But the point is that you've got a minefield of potential legal liabilities every time you try and launch a business. You don't know whether what you're doing is patented until you check. And if enough entrepreneurs have their businesses blown up early on, it delays how quickly alternative energy can be built out and deployed by at least as long as these patents survive.
When the government is in your corner, handing out subsidies, leaving environmental rules unenforced, securing new oil fields overseas through military force, and generally making your life as an energy tycoon easier, you're at a comparative advantage to the wind farm guy who has to argue with the Kennedys over hurting a bird or obstructing the Massachusetts Bay skyline.
It’s not actually cheap though, that’s the problem. Basically every country that is pushing “renewables” are having their power bills increase over and over and over with no sign of slowing down because it’s not cheap.
No one wants to build them without giant subsidies and guaranteed returns. Why do you think that is?
Solar panels crom China made it a lot cheaper than it used to be. There are also other major advatnages, such as increased independence. You just buy a bunch of solar panels and now you can indenepdently generate energy for the next 30 years.
The belief that Australia can decarbonise its economy by relying on the wind and the sun rests on a misplaced conviction about what the renewables rollout will entail.
This is an important point to consider. However, to me it seems somewhat separate from your previous comment.
Of course, no sane government should push for a country to rely solely on wind and solar. Ideally you have a mix of various energy sources, even potentially including some fossil fuels. Hitting that 20-30% sweetspot, as mentioned in the paper, looks to be fairly cheap and beneficial for everyone.
Solar panels are not the expensive part of using solar to power the country - the storage and transmission is.
Although having said that, the cost of regularly cleaning panels, replacing them, throwing them in landfill, and mining materials to make new ones every 15 years or so is also huge - and destructive to the planet. It’s just more of a slow burn cost that snowballs.
True, batteries are quite expensive and very much not environment-friendly when built on such a scale. Though it should be noted good solar panels last longer than 15 years. Even cheap panels can last 20 years.
They need regular cleaning otherwise they can very quickly drop to close to zero output, and storms - especially hail - can destroy entire solar farms at once.
Since I doubt you or anyone else will, I'll take some bits from it:
As you can see, as wind + solar generation share goes up, retail electricity prices go up. They never go down. They never even stay the same.
“As the proportion of weather-dependent energy in the grid grows, the costs and difficulties of integrating this energy also grow at an increasing rate.”
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The paper found (as per the graph):
• Countries with less than 21% wind and solar generation have electricity prices of around US $0.15/kWh on average.
• Countries with between 21% and 33% wind and solar generation have electricity prices of around US $0.24/kWh on average.
• Countries that exceed 33% wind and solar generation, have electricity prices of around US $0.37/kWh on average.
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The research notes, “No country has achieved penetrations higher than 60%, let alone 90%, without costs going up. A low-cost, wind-and-solar-dependent country simply does not exist.”
The belief that Australia can decarbonise its economy by relying on the wind and the sun rests on a misplaced conviction about what the renewables rollout will entail.
I'm not going to read propaganda from an Australian right wing think tank, you're right.
It’s not actually cheap though, that’s the problem. Basically every country that is pushing “renewables” are having their power bills increase over and over and over with no sign of slowing down because it’s not cheap.
I can't speak for every country, unlike you, but in Southern Europe the trend is exactly the opposite of what you're saying. bbvaresearch.com/en/publicacio…
The increased penetration of renewable energies in Spain, especially solar and wind, has reduced wholesale electricity prices by 20% in the last three years and could cut them by a further 20% by 2030 if the ambitious PNIEC targets are met.
“I’m not going to read your link cause it proves my ideology wrong. Here’s a link that proves mine right, and mine is much much much narrower in scope so as to not show the global trend”
All realistic plans for 100% renewable (or even 95% renewable, which is substantially easier) rely on a multipronged approach of wind, water, solar, and grid upgrades. Each one has upsides and downsides, but you can use the upsides of one to cover the downsides of another. Combined, you get a reliable grid based on intermittent but cheap sources.
Capitalism sees this plan and decides to deploy the one with the best immediate ROI. Which happens to be solar. Problem is that you can't just rely on solar. The grid is hitting limits where electrical production is sending prices to basically zero at certain times, but not able to provide enough the rest of the time. That will shift the economic incentives. Eventually.
It'll figure out what researchers have already written down, but it'll take too long to get there.
SoCal has a huge amount of wind and solar right now. Utility sized battery installations are going in to deal with the times those two aren't producing.
Even home battery solutions. We have solar panels & a Powerwall. Were part of a Virtual Power Plant along with around 1500 other Powerwall owners in the region. During peak usage in the summer all our PowerWalls feed back to the grid so that our utility provider doesn’t have to spin up expensive (and dirty) peaker plants. We get paid a premium for the power we provide during these events.
I saw articles here on Lemmy just a month or two ago that Tesla successfully tested a VPP in California that consisted of 100,000 PowerWalls.
The ones they've installed near us are Siemens and the only reason we even know they exist is we went by often during installation. The cabinets are now hidden behind a high wall. I'm guessing they're going in all over the place. Strange that I've never seen them mentioned in the news anywhere.
While your power company is taking your power from your battery, where does your power to power your house come from? How much do you pay for it, what are your daily charges etc?
Our house is still powered by the panels and/or battery as well. We typically use 1 to 5 kWh, and during these events the batteries are discharging up to 10 kWh. Whatever we don’t use goes to the grid. Last year we received a payout of $1450 for 45 hours worth of energy, probably in the neighborhood of 300-350 kWh.
Also not renewable, are incredibly environmentally destructive, and have short lifetimes - kinda the opposite of what the push for “renewables” is supposed to be about lol.
I think you are wrong then. First, even Li-ion batteries are recyclable to a huge amount, usually the problem is that different manufacturers pack them differently without any blueprint and then it's much harder to recycle them. Then there are a ton of different chemistries with ones really harmless (i.e. using sodium instead of lithium) but they come with less energy density. Which isn't that important when it comes to energy storage for the network purpose but it's important when it comes to cars and portable electronic devices. Also different chemistries have different lifetime, i.e. LFP batteries have better durability and are less fire prone than the standard li-ion.
Being “recyclable” doesn’t mean that they get recycled, because it’s often not economically feasible - like with solar panels. Are there lots and lots of recyclable materials in them? Absolutely. Does it cost more to extract them out than it does to buy a new one? Absolutely.
Most batteries, especially those used for home batteries, will never be recycled. They’ll end up in landfill, leaching toxic chemicals into the earth.
Also the materials used to make new batteries are not renewable. There are finite resources of them. They require mining. Mining equipment and trucks aren’t running on solar or batteries. As more and more are needed, more and more mining is needed.
The entire “renewables” push is based around endlessly manufacturing non recyclable things that end in landfill, using non-renewable materials, creating large amounts of toxic emissions - but the ones pushing it don’t care because the emissions happen somewhere else by someone else so they can claim to be carbon neutral.
You have some valid points. Yes, economical aspect is crap, countries should push laws demanding that producers guarantee recycling and/or state clear lifecycle of the battery (actually it should be applied to all products). Even still, there are companies that do recycle batteries for profit, so it's not that absurd. But you miss the whole other aspect with different chemistries, many even harmless to the environment. You are focused only on current li-ion it seems which are not very network storage friendly anyway.
I’m focused on current battery tech because that’s what we have. There is no grid storage level battery tech yet - entire countries are basing their economic livelihood on the promise that there will be soon. It’s looking like a bad bet. We still can’t make phones that last a week.
They can be distributed though. I Install solar, most of the systems we install with batteries end up selling back a significant portion of their charge to the grid (iirc our system wide average is 40% nightly resale)
So not only is each house with a battery not using grid power at night, its powering almost half of an equivalently sized house.
Granted, batteries are still on the expensive side, so these systems aren't coming enough ( I think we're at ~10% of our systems have a battery)
Yeah, that's a step in correct direction, but can you guarantee that everybody can be powered 24/7 through renewables/batteries, specially during winter? Unless that's the case you still need a shit-ton of non-renewable energy that's coming either from fossil fuels or nuclear. And if you want to avoid (co2) emissions, then you need nuclear to cover everybody, and if you have nuclear then it has to run 100% 24/7. OTOH if you don't have nuclear, you'll emit all sort or crap during those periods. And so on. Also, it's not just that batteries are sort of expensive, they are big. Also you are talking houses, but masses live in apartments where placing solar panels or batteries isn't possible (at least in quantity).
No one will ever have the idea of simply having more batteries right? It's all in capacity not quantity, because quantity would be to easy right? Got it.
Where do you have TWhs of batteries? As you said, both quantity and capacity matters, when lower capacity you need bigger battery which is harder to put somewhere.
Batteries are nice, but they're insanely expensive at this scale and ruin the entire point of helping the environment. Carbon emissions from huge batteries are unbelievable.
Wind turbines have to be constantly spinning due to inertia to get them started due to that they have big diesel engines that keep them going the minimum speed. I'm not trying to be inflammatory and am welcome to a fact check.
This is complete BS, I could find zero sources for that claim, and several debunking it.
The only tangentially related thing I could find was that in colder climates, they need heat to de-ice the wings, and at one point, the power supply to a Scottish wind farm was cut off, so they put in some temporary diesel generators on-site to power the de-icing system to get the turbines going again.
So, I do not believe that is a thing. Apparently there are some wind turbines with diesel generators attached somewhere, but it's not for that reason. Offshore wind seems to have them in case they get disconnected from the grid because they rely on some power to protect themselves from ocean air, and apparently a wind array in Scottland had some to keep the turbines from freezing over. Frankly though there just isn't room in the turbine's housing to keep a whole diesel engine, at least most of the time.
Edited my OG comment for future people. Thank you for correcting this Franky inexcusably ignorant miss comprehension. I appreciate your civilness in correct me.
I also always call him Dear Leader. We can't normalize these behaviors from a president, and using the "Dear Leader" title makes it unambiguously clear that his selfish actions are not presidential.
See, you can build coal plants in poor/black areas, so you don't have to see the pollution, nor your kids have to get cancer like those silly poors. And then you don't have to put up with woke shit like windmills. Sigh.
Hell. In Florida, FPL is the electric provider, and they are fighting tooth and nail to keep people from installing solar on houses.... In Florida, we would have almost free electric for everyone if all houses could install panels....
But FPL lobbied our GOP legislature and force anyone with solar to have a million dollar insurance policy payable to FPL in case something happens. Also got regulations passed to bar home windstorm insurance if any panels are bolted to the roof. So if you have panels, no hurricane insurance for you....and the mortgage holder gets to put their expensive policy on your home.
Bad phrasing. There are power walls for home use and FPL is still available.
My point is that Florida could use solar as 1 prong on the challenge to provide clean, green energy but FPL must deliver profit to it's shareholders and will fight that effort
As soon as solar panels and batteries are involved it’s not “clean, green energy” though. I have no idea how people ate that lie.
Solar panels don’t grow on trees. They’re not made from renewable sources. They require mass amounts of mining and coal/gas created energy to make, and they last 10-20 years max. They’re not recyclable either because it costs more to recycle them than it does to make a new one.
Widely distributed solar + nuclear produces a generation curve that matches demand better than any other combination, minimizing battery or dirty on-demand generation needs.
Nuclear + solar is the only way to truly make it work. Unfortunately the “nuclear bad” message that’s spread by the “renewables” people are going to put us trillions of dollars and decades behind in getting there.
My father ran a small construction company in Ontario, he was asked to manage building a few house for a client in Florida and at the time, the codes were a complete joke compared to Canada, closer to what we grade as seasonal cottages. This likely had recently changed, only because people can't even get storm insurance any more. Then there's the 5,400 trailer parks in Florida. Ontario has 14, seasonal use only.
Yes, FPL has done a lot to prevent rooftop solar, but calling it "almost free" is not correct. Rooftop solar still comes with significant upfront costs. The weather of Florida degrades panels quicker with non-trivial odds of hurricane damage. Finally, Southwestern states receive much more solar irradiance.
If you are willing to be pragmatic and want solar in Florida, FPL's solar together program is your best option. Like it or not, utility grade solar is 1/3 the LCOE.
Sodium-ion batteries are becoming more viable, which will be necessary to buffer the solar energy surge during the day and lack of energy production at night.
...AMD designs chips that are currently produced mostly by Taiwan’s TSMC, and Intel currently lacks the technology to produce AMD’s most advanced, profitable chips.
It’s unclear how much of their manufacturing would shift to Intel if the two companies reach a deal, or whether it would come with a direct investment by AMD, similar to the deals cut by other companies. It is possible that no agreement will be reached, the people said...
They're still talking about doing it if they can't raise enough money to make it through the next R&D cycle. The deals with Nvidia and USA's federal government gets them about half way there.
Gelsinger wanted to do it. Biden Admin shut it down, saying the federal money they were getting to build a fab was contingent on them staying together.
It's the fabs that the us gov cares about though. You could end up with ex intel fabs producing AMD chips, with intel bankrupt. (Amd would buy them to save the cross licensing)
We have just released v4.6.0 of NodeBB, containing fixes to our ActivityPub integration, minor fixes with SCSS, and some new functionality with topic templating.
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We have just released v4.6.0 of NodeBB, containing fixes to our ActivityPub integration, minor fixes with SCSS, and some new functionality with topic templating.
:globe_with_meridians: ActivityPub Fixes
WordPress blogs can be properly pulled into NodeBB (via their URL) now
Fixed an error when moving a remote topic to another category
This also fixed the issue where moved topics didn't update topic/post counters
Fixed bug where NodeBB could not properly process Link headers when it contained the standalone crossorigin directive
Notifications for replies to topics made in remote categories now show the appropriate user
Fixed bug where remote users were not able to post to a local category if registered-users privilege was removed (now checks fediverse pseudo-user)
Nested remote categories can now be removed from the ACP
Remote categories can be renamed for de-duplication purposes
Improved title generation for quote-posts
Core fixes
Persona theme now shows hidden (zero-character) links in post content
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A template can be provided in a category's settings. This template is auto-populated in the composer when a new topic is being authored.
Mr Law told The Straits Times that he was coming to Singapore for a closed-door, invitation-only event. He added that those attending the event were planning to “share insights on particular issues”, but he declined to give more details.
In a meeting dedicated to harnessing pro-Israel media energy on Friday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu alluded to a cohort of Israel’s influencers. “We have to fight back. How do we fight back? Our influencers. I think you should also talk to them if you have a chance, to that community, they are very important.”
Being paid by Israel to post on social media is also very lucrative. According to previously unreported recent documents, these influencers are likely being paid around $7,000 per post on social media such as Tik Tok and Instagram on behalf of Israel.
Bridges Partners, a firm working for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, sent a series of invoices for its “Influencer Campaign” to Havas Media Group Germany, an international media group working for Israel. The invoices detailed a sum of $900,000, starting in June and slated to end in November, for a cohort of 14-18 influencers to create content.
How much you want to bet this won't get added into Westerners' list of "countries that use paid shills for propaganda?" That's still only China. Ask them with no other context and watch as they conveniently miss Israel. Show them this article and watch them try to implicate China anyway and how they "pretend to be Israelis to further antisemitism."
this is like the only instance ever, was a business and not affiliated with the russian government, US republicans paid for an ad campaign in 2015 and it got completely shut down 2 years ago. And yet the phantasm of the russian bot that is spamming on lemmy lives on in the lore of libs.
In a meeting dedicated to harnessing pro-Israel media energy on Friday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu alluded to a cohort of Israel’s influencers. “We have to fight back. How do we fight back? Our influencers. I think you should also talk to them if you have a chance, to that community, they are very important.”
Being paid by Israel to post on social media is also very lucrative. According to previously unreported recent documents, these influencers are likely being paid around $7,000 per post on social media such as Tik Tok and Instagram on behalf of Israel.
Bridges Partners, a firm working for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, sent a series of invoices for its “Influencer Campaign” to Havas Media Group Germany, an international media group working for Israel. The invoices detailed a sum of $900,000, starting in June and slated to end in November, for a cohort of 14-18 influencers to create content.
In a meeting dedicated to harnessing pro-Israel media energy on Friday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu alluded to a cohort of Israel’s influencers. “We have to fight back. How do we fight back? Our influencers. I think you should also talk to them if you have a chance, to that community, they are very important.”
Being paid by Israel to post on social media is also very lucrative. According to previously unreported recent documents, these influencers are likely being paid around $7,000 per post on social media such as Tik Tok and Instagram on behalf of Israel.
Bridges Partners, a firm working for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, sent a series of invoices for its “Influencer Campaign” to Havas Media Group Germany, an international media group working for Israel. The invoices detailed a sum of $900,000, starting in June and slated to end in November, for a cohort of 14-18 influencers to create content.
The Texas senator blocked a bill that would have prevented data brokers from selling personal data on anyone in the United States, and not just federal lawmakers and government officials.
Cruz was the sole objecting senator, who claimed without evidence that Wyden’s bill could disrupt law enforcement, “such as knowing where sexual predators are living.”
No, not those sexual predators. Not the rich ones who fight to oppress the LGBTQ+ and dark-skinned people. The sexual predators who are struggling to make ends meet. Those sexual predators. The ones that no one will miss.
Those are the ones the GOP wants to go after. Not the ones in their own ranks.
That's the difference between the two parties. One will kick out perverts. The other embraces them, as long as their money's good.
~~Ted Cruz blocks bill that would extend privacy protections to all Americans~~
Real Headline: The American government is corrupt and compromised, top to bottom, side to side. No one gets a pass. Not from the current admin or any previous admin. You do not go into US politics on a mere government salary and exit politics a multi millionaire.
Cancelled. You can't be socially incorrect now, you can't say it like it is, you can't make stupid harmless jokes because you need to consider the feelings of those MAGA snowflakes.
/s fuck them. They love playing the bully, but then get bitchslapped and go running to mommy sobbing their eyes out "they're being mean to me".
In this edition, we spotlight who climate voters supported in the 2024 presidential election, exit polling data on fracking in Pennsylvania, and how voters in Ann Arbor, MI approved the creation of a local clean energy utility.
In the proxima series by Stephen Baxter, when people realize just how fucked they are and revolt, they have huge international trials sentencing the oligarchy and their extended families to death.
Similarly in The Ministry for the Future, a bunch of people take "more direct" actions against those who put them in the situation where thousands of people boil to death in peak summer heat in India and such. And I don't blame them, I'm sure that's going to happen much more when the general public experiences more and more negative extreme effects from climate change. Hence why many billionaires are building climate change proof compounds.
Not just clean energy. America's scientific advantage has always been underpinned by our ability to recruit exceptional foreign scientists. Now we're rounding them up and deporting them. And broadly cutting funding to the remaining scientists while half the country actively demonizing them. China is jumping all over the opportunity and recruiting every scientist they can. They aren't the only one but they are America's most significant single country rival and, currently, the best candidate to be able to build a new global hegemony as America destroys its own. As an American my current hope for the next world order is the rise of a strong unified Europe. Even then we're probably going to end up with a bipolar world order like with the US and USSR post WW2.
4º Encontro de Cidadania Digital em Carataeua – Belém-PA
Nesta edição, com o tema “Comunicação, Território e Apropriação Digital”, o encontro coloca na agenda local o debate sobre as Infovias Amazônicas, infraestrutura essencial para ampliar o acesso à internet e às tecnologias de informação nos territórios ribeirinhos e insulares. Ao discutir o papel das infovias, o encontro reforça a necessidade de que a conectividade esteja a serviço da vida comunitária, fortalecendo redes locais e garantindo o direito à comunicação como parte da cidadania plena.
Durante quatro dias, serão realizadas rodas de conversa, oficinas, vivências e atividades colaborativas, articulando saberes tradicionais e práticas digitais. A proposta é criar um ambiente inclusivo e plural, no qual a comunicação se consolide como um instrumento de transformação social, de defesa dos territórios e de fortalecimento das identidades amazônicas.
Datas: 01 a 04 de Outubro de 2025
Público: comunicadores populares, educadores, movimentos sociais e coletivos.
Parceiros: Casa Preta Amazônia, Comitê de Cultura do Pará (Ação Cultura É muita Onda), Laboratório de Cultura Digital (UFPR/MinC), Instituto Outeiro Verde, Irmãs da Horta, Recanto dos Orixás, Ninho do Colibri, Coração Verde, Tralhoto Leitor, Coletivo Digital, Produtoras Colaborativas, RedeSub, Aldeia FM, Sítio de Maré, Casa da Mestra Zula, Cosmotécnicas Amazônicas, AMP, Cordão de Pássaro Urubu, OBX (Observatório das Baixadas) e CEGAS.
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Nesta edição, com o tema “Comunicação, Território e Apropriação Digital”, o encontro coloca na agenda local o debate sobre as Infovias Amazônicas, infraestrutura essencial para ampliar o acesso à internet e às tecnologias de informação nos território…
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The Global Sumud Flotilla is just a day away from reaching the ‘orange zone’, 150 nautical miles off the coast of Gaza, where there is a high risk of interception by Israel.
Organisers say 42 boats and 532 participants began the final leg of their journey on Saturday evening after several days of delay. But the lead ship, Family, which suffered catastrophic engine failure off the coast of Greece on Thursday, had to be left behind.
Novara Media contributor Kieran Andrieu, who was on board, is now reporting from a different boat, which he said is making good progress through international waters.
He expects to reach the area where Israeli forces have previously illegally intercepted boats – including the Madleen and the Handala, earlier this year – in international waters by Tuesday night.
If the flotilla is not intercepted, it could reach Gaza by Thursday.
On Monday morning, a flotilla boat was evacuated by the Turkish Red Crescent after it started leaking, taking the total number sailing together down to 41, with four more hoping to catch up, including two that are on their way from Turkey.
Navy ships sent by Italy and Spain have been travelling with the flotilla since it left Greek waters. But when the leaking boat was evacuated, journalists sailing with the flotilla noticed a new frigate on the horizon. It was later reported that Turkey had sent its navy to facilitate a Red Crescent operation to distribute additional humanitarian aid to the flotilla boats, and then responded to a mayday call from the ship that was in trouble.
This comes after flight data revealed that Turkish military aircrafts have been monitoring the flotilla, and amid speculation that a joint naval exercise run by Egypt and Turkey in the Mediterranean sea last week was timed to send a message to Israel.
Italy and Spain have both stressed that they will not confront Israel if the flotilla is intercepted, but are there to protect their citizens on board. Turkish authorities said later on Monday that their boats had only provided temporary assistance and would not accompany the flotilla any further.
Yet the presence of several foreign navies already appears to have acted as a deterrent to attacks. After drone strikes last Tuesday night, the flotilla entered Greek waters for safety and stayed there until Saturday, with some organisers claiming they believed a more serious attack was imminent. Participants prepared to face regular drone strikes for the rest of the journey. But on Sunday, the flotilla spent a full night in international waters for the first time since the attacks, and it passed without incident.
Engine failure on Family.
Most of the 30 or so participants on board Family were reallocated to other boats on Friday and Saturday and are still sailing, but at least three left the mission entirely because no suitable alternative was offered, or they were unhappy with how the situation had been handled.
Organisers, meanwhile, moved on to Alma, the largest boat, which has Greta Thunberg and steering committee member Yasemin Acar on board.
Andrieu said his new boat, Adara, is a Spanish-flagged sailing yacht with 22 other people on board, including elected politicians from Argentina and Spain. Palestinian-French MEP Rima Hassan, who was also on Family, is now on a small boat called Captain Nikos, which is believed to have joined the flotilla at the weekend.
Some people moved off Alma to create space for others, including Irish comedian Tadhg Hickey, who is now on the Meteque, a boat which sailed from Tunisia.
The cause of the engine failure on Family, which had not previously had any serious mechanical issues and was operated by an experienced captain and crew, has not been identified. There are credible concerns that it may have been sabotaged, but initial investigations were inconclusive.
A Turkish engineer sent to determine the cause of the failure told Drop Site News that when he inspected the engine, he found that “all the oil was gone”, but he did not say what might have caused this.
Meanwhile, back in Tunisia, more concrete evidence of foul play has emerged. Authorities announced that a foreign national has been charged in relation to the drone strikes on boats Family and Alma earlier this month. Counter-terrorism police are investigating possible links to Mossad.
A new flotilla.
The Global Sumud Flotilla is no longer the only mission sailing through the Mediterranean to break Israel’s illegal blockade of Gaza; another flotilla left Italy at the weekend.
Comprised of eight boats carrying almost 70 people from more than 20 countries, the Thousand Madleens to Gaza X Freedom Flotilla mission is just a few days behind the first.
On board are elected politicians, including MPs and MEPs, from France, Belgium, Ireland, Spain, the United States and Denmark; Irish author Naoise Dolan, who initially tried to join the Global Sumud Flotilla mission but had to pull out after her boat was cancelled in Tunisia; and French-Malian racial justice activist Assa Traore.
“Every boat we launch is a direct challenge to the blockade and a declaration of solidarity,” organisers said in a statement. “We sail not as charity, but as part of the global struggle to end apartheid and affirm the right of the Palestinian people to live free.”
The Freedom Flotilla Coalition (FFC), which coordinated the Madleen and Handala missions earlier this year, has been sending boats to Gaza for 15 years, while Thousand Madleens to Gaza (TMTG) is a grassroots initiative inspired by the FFC.
Many of the boats, which can all be tracked online, are named after Palestinians, including Al Jazeera journalist Anas Al-Sharif, who was targeted and killed by Israel in August, and paediatrician Alaa Al Najjar, whose husband and nine children were killed in an Israeli airstrike while she was at work.
Perhaps in light of the logistical issues that have beset the Global Sumud Flotilla, the FFC stressed that it is drawing on “years of experience and grassroots organising”. It emphasised that it was foregrounding “maritime safety, legal defence, and communications” to have a “global impact” and to do what “governments, corporations and institutions” refuse to do – “to stop genocide, resist apartheid and demand accountability under international law.”
One boat has not sailed yet, but may catch up with the others: the Conscience, a large passenger ship that was attacked by drones off the coast of Malta in May, shortly before embarking for Gaza. It was too severely damaged to continue at the time, but it has now been repaired. Organisers plan for it to sail with 100 medics and journalists on board.
In a statement, the two organisations said: “For nearly two years, the illegal Israeli occupation has blocked international journalists from entering Gaza, creating one of the most dangerous press blackouts in modern history. During this time, hundreds of Palestinian journalists have been deliberately targeted and assassinated, while many more have been imprisoned or silenced. This boat is our challenge to that silence.”
Another boat has also been sailing separately to the Global Sumud Flotilla since last week. The Omar Al Mokhtar departed from Libya with former prime minister Omar al-Hassi on board, and British journalist Yvonne Ridley. The Global Sumud Flotilla would not let it join their fleet because organisers said it had not gone through the strict vetting and training protocols necessary for all participants.
The boat was then converted into a ‘hospital ship’, with Turkish news agency Anadolu reporting that it has been equipped with an intensive care unit. It is currently believed to be sailing just behind the Global Sumud Flotilla, and it is not on their tracker.
Despite delays, drone strikes and suspected sabotage, more than 40 boats and 500 people are now on the final leg of their journey to Gaza. Israel could illegally intercept them as soon as Tuesday night. Charlotte England reports.
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In states that do not use counting methods approved by the United Nations, voting provides legitimacy to ongoing multi-decade scams.
If the vote counting is illegitimate, should one vote for the better candidate anyway? This is an intensely debated thing over history in many countries.
Solving that, then voting is like you describe.
There are many layers to just how wrong voting is in the USA. And many of these scams, and the toleration of them, definitely affects reforms in unrelated areas other than the direct elections
Those states owning the means of production is exactly why bourgeois states call them authoritarian. The bourgeoisie are supposed to own the MoP, not the state.
"authoritarian" is a thought-terminating buzzword employed by spineless liberals too terrified of the idea of wielding power for good to actually do anything to help
Hi, anarchist here. What word should we use to differentiate y'all from us? Liberals use tankie to mean anyone further left than biden (and it obv has a strong negative connotation), and y'all define authoritarian and state in a way that makes those labels unhelpful. Without having to know someone's specific ideology, what word should be used if not authoritarian?
Idk I feel like that's not the kind of distinction I'm looking for, because I like anarcho-communism
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If anarcho-communism isn’t communism, why is “communism” in its name?
What? I didn't say it's not communism, I'm saying that calling y'all communists isn't necessarily a distinction from anarchists, bc there's an anarchist version of communism.
The entire "authoritarian" vs "anti-authoritarian" distinction doesn't correspond to reality, and isn't real. There is no history of any human society, that doesn't make rules, norms, and customs for their group, and enforce them.
"Authoritarianism", just like "Totalitarianism", are only used to demonize workers and working-class movements who dared to construct systems existing outside of capitalist authority. Even the historical anarchist experiments found that they needed to enforce rules if they didn't want to deconstruct within days, and were also labelled as "authoritarian" by opponents to their left and right.
Yeah, I'm familiar with this argument, I just don't agree with the way you're using the word (and tbh I don't think it's worth arguing over- I just want a better word to use to avoid having to avoid this argument)
I'm trying to find a word that I can use in contexts like, e.g., "As an anarchist, I don't agree with ____s." I can't do that with socialists and communists because I do jive with libertarian socialists and anarcho-communists. I suppose the only safe option is to just be specific and say Marxists/Maoists/etc, but I was hoping there'd be a word to describe the "archist" component of these ideologies that I don't vibe with without having to get so specific.
Can we just steal "archists" back? Lol (From Marsden, I mean)
To be fair, in common lingo, communist is pretty much 1 to 1 associated with Marxism. Socialism is more broad, and anarcho-communism is nearly always prefixed with anarcho-, due to communism being historically affixed to Marxist movements. I think if you use "archist," most won't understand what you mean.
In my eyes, the 2 most relevant umbrellas of leftist thought are Marxism and anarchism. "Libertarian socialism" is a bit of an odd one, it's closer to a non-commital anarchist than an actual coherent ideology with its own history and theory. Syndicalism is kind of its own thing, and mostly relegated to a specific historical period. Other, local ideologies like Zapatismo, or ideologies like Nkruhmahism-Touréism that are their own thing, don't quite fit in either.
So, I think the easiest answer is just "Marxist." Maoists consider themselves Marxists, Marxist-Leninists are Marxists, I think it makes the most sense that way. Crucially, what makes Marxism and anarchism the two real umbrellas is that Marxism essentially posits full collectivization of production and distribution in classless society, while anarchism posits full horizontalism and decentralized networks devoid of hierarchy within cells. These are pretty much opposite approaches, Marxism seeking liberation of the individual through liberating the collective, and anarchism seeling liberation of the collective through liberating the individual.
Hope that helps make the case for just using "Marxist." Easiest way to not be confrontational.
"Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is. It is the act by which one part of the population imposes its will on the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannons — by the most authoritarian means possible; and the victors, if they do not want to have fought in vain, must maintain this rule by means of the terror which their arms inspire in the reactionaries. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if the communards had not used the authority of the armed people against the bourgeoisie? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach them for not having used it enough?
Therefore, we must conclude one of two things: either the anti-authoritarians don’t know what they’re talking about, in which case they are only sowing confusion; or they do know, in which case they are betraying the proletarian movement. In either case, they serve reaction." - Frederick Engels.
Don't care, go back to your anti-communist safe spaces where they let you whine about the tankies / commies or whatever term you liberal witch-hunters are using.
Some more context for anyone wandering over from an anti-communist space:
Socialists view democracy under capitalism to be impossible. Most current-day systems are better labeled as Bourgeois Democracy, or democracy for the rich only, which socialists contrast with proletarian democracy. Under capitalism, political parties, representatives, infrastructure, and the media are controlled by capitalists, who place restrictions on the choices given to workers, limit their representative options to vetted capitalist puppets, and limit the scope of public debate to pro-capitalist views.
Bourgeois democracies are in reality Capitalist Dictatorships, resulting in legislation favorable to the wealthy, regardless of the population's actual preferences. The Princeton Study, conducted in the US in 2014, found that the preferences of the average US citizen exert a near-zero influence on legislation, making the US system of elections and campaigning little more than political theater. Multi-party, Parliamentary / representative democracy has proven to be the safest shell for capitalist rule, regardless of voting methods or differing political structures, for countries as diverse as Australia, Japan, Sweden, the UK, the US, South Korea, or Brazil.
Ancient Greek philosophers like Plato and Aristotle more accurately defined Democracy as rule by the poor, and they considered states based on elections to be anti-democratic Aristocracies, since only the wealthy and ruling families have the resources to finance elections. They contrasted this with random selection / sortition, and citizen's assemblies, as being the defining features of democracy, both of which are non-existent in the countries listed above. Today, liberal / parliamentary "democracies" are dominated by wealthy candidates, and entrenched political families, with Capitalists standing above political power.
This system of sham elections acts as a distracting theatre piece, giving the illusion of democracy, whilst in reality it serves to platform capitalist views, make them appear more popular than they are, and manufacture consent for the system itself.
“As an ex-Indian civil servant, it always makes me shout with laughter to hear, for instance, Gandhi named as an example of the success of non-violence. As long as twenty years ago it was cyn…
there is always a chance, no matter how small, that it will make things better.
Read my comment below, because it gets into this. It can't make things better, because it historically has never done so, only protests with the threat of violence from below (and completely outside of bourgeios democracy) have.
Except that it has historicaly made things better, sure, not in massive scale votes, but in smaller votes? In local elections? I fully agree that protests are necessary, and they are alot of what causes positive change, but that doesn't render voting completely useless. In the current systems that exist, capitalism does turn large votes into what is essentially a dick measuring contest. But in smaller scale, local votes there is less money being put into the system, so voting becomes more impactful.
Even locally, it would take some incredible magic for the capitalists who rule a given city or town's politics, to enact or enforce laws than go against their interests / profits, especially without a fight. Scale isn't relevant here, since local elites use the city/town police as goons to protect their property.
Unless you can give some examples, I don't believe it, and I certainly can't think of any time in my city's history where they've willingly allowed something against their interests.
My point is that the rulers of a city or town might not be capitalists. In smaller scale elections, people can actually have a real choice to vote for a socialist, or communist, or other similar left wing leader.
Off the top of my head (and without researching this further) simple things like minimum wage increases have happened, and while it took alot of fighting, that is accomplished by voting. As far as I know, those aren't typically financially very good for the rich who control the government. If I am incorrect about this, please correct me.
Also, I apologize, I am really not in the mood to do a bunch of research to find examples currently, if I remember about this in the future I will, but that is, unfortunately, far from a guarantee.
Off the top of my head (and without researching this further) simple things like minimum wage increases have happened, and while it took alot of fighting, that is accomplished by voting.
Minimum wage, the 5-day work week, and other workers gains took decades of violent struggle and organizing by socialists, communists, and anarchists in nearly every country.
My point is that the rulers of a city or town might not be capitalists.
That's not how it works in any capitalist country. Political power is subservient to economic power, and is toothless without it.
This is an extreme position. Yes, the cards are stacked, and yes, the thieves will fight tooth and nail to preserve their privileges, but there have definitely been examples of a certain election result making things better. My country got independence[1], and the British people got public healthcare, because they voted Labour in 1945. We kicked out a strongwoman in 1977, and reined in a strongman last year. These are just examples from my country.
[1] I'm aware that there were other causes as well, but Churchill would probably have tried to hold on even after the British position became logistically and economically unviable.
People should vote to gauge strength, show solidarity with their movement and demonstrate how to those unaware that the system isn't working and therefore requires replacing it with one that will.
There's a huge non-voter population because few people actually live in swing states, and neither party represents the people. It's far more effective to organize directly.
The Texas senator blocked a bill that would have prevented data brokers from selling personal data on anyone in the United States, and not just federal lawmakers and government officials.
The department also didn’t reappoint board members Stephanie White, a Pensacola adoption attorney, and Tina Vidal-Duart, executive vice president of major state contractor CDR Maguire. Both had asked for more information on the legality of the $10 million transfer during an April board meeting.
The announcement, made during the organization’s board meeting Monday, came as a surprise to observers and wasn’t mentioned in its agenda. But the foundation’s lawyer, Jeff Aaron, said the board members were originally appointed to serve two-year terms, which recently expired.
It fell under scrutiny this year when the Herald/Times began questioning why it held a secret board meeting last year in which it accepted $10 million from a state legal settlement with the Medicaid contractor Centene.
The foundation quickly gave $5 million each to two organizations, one of which was controlled by the Florida Chamber of Commerce.
U.S. companies shed 32,000 jobs in September, according to the payroll processing company ADP, a surprising decline that adds to growing concerns about the rapidly weakening labor market
Le mafie usano i social, si muovono nel dark web, investono in monete virtuali, sperimentano intelligenza artificiale, acquistano software avanzati e arruolano hacker. È il nuovo fronte della criminalità organizzata al centro della puntata di Lezioni di mafie, in prima serata su La7, con il procuratore di Napoli Nicola Gratteri, lo storico Antonio Nicaso e il giornalista Paolo Digiannantonio.
Nella terza puntata di Lezioni Di Mafie si parla di “cyberpadrini”: dark web, criptovalute e IA. In studio Gratteri, Nicaso, il capo della Polizia Postale e un hacker.
Possible illegal interception by Israel's naval commando unit of the Global Sumud Flotilla may be within the hour. GSF radars currently show a concentration of roughly 12 unidentified vessels, 5-15 miles from the flotilla. Contact has seemingly been disconnected with some GSF vessels, with some experiencing signal jamming. Keep your eyes on those onboard, contact your embassies, and demand your government ends their enabling of Israel's crimes!
The FFC is a grassroots solidarity movement of campaigns and activists across the world, working together to end the illegal Israeli blockade and siege of the Gaza Strip and for a free Palestine. https://linktr.ee/freedomflotillacoalition
To ensure the continued operations of the International Space Station and the safety of the crew, NASA and its spacesuit support contractor must ensure the
Google does not show AI search results for the query “does trump show signs of dementia” even though it will show AI search results for similar searches about other presidents.
I try, I really do, to use public transit whenever I can. But a large majority of the time it will cost over twice the cost of driving, take over twice as long, and the final stop will be over a mile from my destination. Two of those caveats I could probably live with; all three makes it a non starter.
Admittedly, I live in a car centered American city.
Thats exactly why so many people think EVs are the only solution. They have never actually experienced fast, efficient, convenient, and clean public transit. The vast majority of the US thinks public transit equals an hourly bus thats never on time and reeks of piss, and thats a fair view because for many thats all they have ever been offered.
President Trump on Tuesday announced a deal with Pfizer to sell its drugs directly to consumers at discounted prices. They'll be available through a website operated by the federal government called TrumpRx.gov. He said similar deals with other drugmakers are in the works.
The new website is part of a broader initiative the administration says is aimed at bringing prices paid by Americans, including Medicaid patients, more in line with those paid in other developed countries. The idea is sometimes called most-favored-nation pricing. Under the deal, Pfizer agreed to charge the same price for new drugs in developed countries and the U.S.
An investigation from Channel 4 News has found that the value of UK arms imported by Israel reached a record high in June of this year. That’s in spite of the government announcing in 2024 that they had halted 29 export licences to Israel. Instead, the investigation found that:
"Our analysis of Israel Tax Authority figures shows munitions worth around £400,000 arriving from the UK and passing through Israeli customs in June 2025 – the highest amount in a single month since available records began more than three years ago."
"The exact nature of the items isn’t specified in the records, but they were listed under a category that includes bombs, grenades, torpedoes, missiles and mines. It isn’t possible to identify the end user of the munitions from these statistics."
The so-called "peace deal" does not offer peace; it demands surrender. The Trump plan is the manifestation of a colonial logic that believes might makes right.
For context, I've dabbled in home brewing. I've made ~4 successful batches based on online recipes. I wouldn't call myself an expert, but also not a complete amateur.
So what happens if you don't rack your mead/wine? I suppose the notion I have is to let it set in primary (assuming there's no fruit/spices to remove after initial fermentation) until its fully clarified before going straight to bottling?
I guess I've assumed there is some problem in the clarification step if you don't "get rid of" the dead yeast that precipitates, but I've never seen anything exploring that as a method.
That's fine. The old advice for racking off the yeast is because that's what the big professional brewers/winemakers do. The difference being yeast sitting on the bottom of 5 gallons of beer/wine vs yeast sitting on the bottom of 100,000 bbls. The massive weight crushes the yeast and then lets some undesirable flavors into the beverage. At the homebrew scale this just doesn't happen.
The only thing to be wary of without racking off the yeast is that it's easy to stir a bunch of the sediment back up if your racking cane moves around during bottling.
Right, "professionals" care about autolisis, they filter the stuff afterwards anyway or sell musty immature stuff. Neither is cool for mead - but waiting is not cool for business.
I don't rack clear mead. It settles perfectly after a year or so, wait till laser beam goes through without any scattering, don't agitate the bottle and give it time, mead really gets better on the long run.
Also, the more yeast you have, better is precipitation. Any rush makes imperfectly clear mead that would seem clear but would just settle in bottle later. This is a bad shortcut, don't rake it.
Personally, I had beer sitting on its yeast cake for months (in the cooled keg though), without any issue. Also, when bottle conditioning, you'll have some yeast sediment at the bottom, which has never hurt the flavour in my experience, even a year or so of not always cool storage.
If you leave your beverage on the yeast for years, I suppose you risk autolysis, but I'd say you're safe for anything up to a year or so.
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in reply to AmidFuror • • •The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.
All we are is dust in the wind...
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in reply to ferret • • •That's been the joke of Solar for a while. Engineers could have told you all the way back in the 1970s (really, the 1910s) that it costs less money to leave a big plate out in the bright sun than to drill a giant hole and hope there's enough spicy rocks at the bottom of it to justify the expense.
We should have crested this hill a lot sooner, but the heavy emphasis on subsidized fossil fuels during the 80s, 90s, and 00s kept these fuels artificially cheap. Meanwhile, fossil fuel firms actually did invest in Green Energy R&D but only for the purpose of erecting "patent thickets" that would hinder competitive growth of these alternatives.
This has lead to big surges in the development and deployment of Green Energy grids outside of the countries doing most of the cutting edge research. Americans are only now catching up.
Does intellectual property rights protection help reduce carbon emissions? - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications
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in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •You're really discounting that fossil fuels have hella bang for the buck, loads of power per gallon. tl;dr: Energy dense
I can run my little generator at camp all night long if there's as little as 3 gallons in there. Space heater or AC unit, lights, all that. I'd have to have many panels and batteries to compare to that output. My best battery is a huge LIPO4, trolling motor can't kill it, not even close. But leaving the LED lights on for a little over a day drained it dry.
We need way more solar infrastructure to get where we're going, and I'm all about it. But since since the GOP has decided to go back in time, China is going to smoke America, both in renewables and the associated economic benefits.
Did not know about the patent thing! Know any examples?
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in reply to shalafi • • •Coal is generally the worst of the lot. Oil and gas burn cleaner and have more combustible by weight. Coal is energy dense but also heavy af and dirty as hell. It's also very common place and comparably safe to transport. And it is simpler to use.
Fine enough to warm your home or grill some meat. But you're not putting a rocket into orbit with coal.
Sure. Broadly speaking you want to be hooked up to the grid to benefit from electricity. Anything portable is very ineffective for a litany of reasons.
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in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •And you’re definitely not with wind and solar lol.
Coal is cheap, abundant in supply, and easy.
UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •Not anymore. Hasn't been cheap in decades
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in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •Coal cheap? Incorrect.
And it's only easy if you're fine burning brown coal and spewing shit everywhere.
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in reply to bluGill • • •Years, depending on how it is used and renewed. But the point is that you've got a minefield of potential legal liabilities every time you try and launch a business. You don't know whether what you're doing is patented until you check. And if enough entrepreneurs have their businesses blown up early on, it delays how quickly alternative energy can be built out and deployed by at least as long as these patents survive.
When the government is in your corner, handing out subsidies, leaving environmental rules unenforced, securing new oil fields overseas through military force, and generally making your life as an energy tycoon easier, you're at a comparative advantage to the wind farm guy who has to argue with the Kennedys over hurting a bird or obstructing the Massachusetts Bay skyline.
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in reply to ferret • • •It’s not actually cheap though, that’s the problem. Basically every country that is pushing “renewables” are having their power bills increase over and over and over with no sign of slowing down because it’s not cheap.
No one wants to build them without giant subsidies and guaranteed returns. Why do you think that is?
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The Renewable Energy Honeymoon: starting is easy, the rest is hard
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in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •This is an important point to consider. However, to me it seems somewhat separate from your previous comment.
Of course, no sane government should push for a country to rely solely on wind and solar. Ideally you have a mix of various energy sources, even potentially including some fossil fuels. Hitting that 20-30% sweetspot, as mentioned in the paper, looks to be fairly cheap and beneficial for everyone.
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in reply to DupaCycki • • •Solar panels are not the expensive part of using solar to power the country - the storage and transmission is.
Although having said that, the cost of regularly cleaning panels, replacing them, throwing them in landfill, and mining materials to make new ones every 15 years or so is also huge - and destructive to the planet. It’s just more of a slow burn cost that snowballs.
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in reply to sucius • • •Some reading for you, which I hope you'll read:
cis.org.au/publication/the-ren…
https://x.com/jnampijinpa/status/1973660876793368808
Since I doubt you or anyone else will, I'll take some bits from it:
As you can see, as wind + solar generation share goes up, retail electricity prices go up. They never go down. They never even stay the same.
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The Renewable Energy Honeymoon: starting is easy, the rest is hard
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in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •I'm not going to read propaganda from an Australian right wing think tank, you're right.
I can't speak for every country, unlike you, but in Southern Europe the trend is exactly the opposite of what you're saying.
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The increased penetration of renewable energies in Spain, especially solar and wind, has reduced wholesale…
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in reply to Jason2357 • • •Don’t need new coal plants.
Should be building nuclear anyway.
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in reply to spaghettiwestern • • •That's actually a problem.
All realistic plans for 100% renewable (or even 95% renewable, which is substantially easier) rely on a multipronged approach of wind, water, solar, and grid upgrades. Each one has upsides and downsides, but you can use the upsides of one to cover the downsides of another. Combined, you get a reliable grid based on intermittent but cheap sources.
Capitalism sees this plan and decides to deploy the one with the best immediate ROI. Which happens to be solar. Problem is that you can't just rely on solar. The grid is hitting limits where electrical production is sending prices to basically zero at certain times, but not able to provide enough the rest of the time. That will shift the economic incentives. Eventually.
It'll figure out what researchers have already written down, but it'll take too long to get there.
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Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
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in reply to spaghettiwestern • • •Even home battery solutions. We have solar panels & a Powerwall. Were part of a Virtual Power Plant along with around 1500 other Powerwall owners in the region. During peak usage in the summer all our PowerWalls feed back to the grid so that our utility provider doesn’t have to spin up expensive (and dirty) peaker plants. We get paid a premium for the power we provide during these events.
I saw articles here on Lemmy just a month or two ago that Tesla successfully tested a VPP in California that consisted of 100,000 PowerWalls.
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in reply to Mihies • • •Being “recyclable” doesn’t mean that they get recycled, because it’s often not economically feasible - like with solar panels. Are there lots and lots of recyclable materials in them? Absolutely. Does it cost more to extract them out than it does to buy a new one? Absolutely.
Most batteries, especially those used for home batteries, will never be recycled. They’ll end up in landfill, leaching toxic chemicals into the earth.
Also the materials used to make new batteries are not renewable. There are finite resources of them. They require mining. Mining equipment and trucks aren’t running on solar or batteries. As more and more are needed, more and more mining is needed.
The entire “renewables” push is based around endlessly manufacturing non recyclable things that end in landfill, using non-renewable materials, creating large amounts of toxic emissions - but the ones pushing it don’t care because the emissions happen somewhere else by someone else so they can claim to be carbon neutral.
Mihies
in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •But you miss the whole other aspect with different chemistries, many even harmless to the environment. You are focused only on current li-ion it seems which are not very network storage friendly anyway.
FreedomAdvocate
in reply to Mihies • • •AxExRx
in reply to Mihies • • •They can be distributed though. I
Install solar, most of the systems we install with batteries end up selling back a significant portion of their charge to the grid (iirc our system wide average is 40% nightly resale)
So not only is each house with a battery not using grid power at night, its powering almost half of an equivalently sized house.
Granted, batteries are still on the expensive side, so these systems aren't coming enough ( I think we're at ~10% of our systems have a battery)
Mihies
in reply to AxExRx • • •Also you are talking houses, but masses live in apartments where placing solar panels or batteries isn't possible (at least in quantity).
prole
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in reply to Fairgreen • • •whereyaaat
in reply to Frezik • • •It's not really a 'problem.'
If push came to shove, we could just wait before putting the panels online.
SocialMediaRefugee
in reply to spaghettiwestern • • •Freddyyeddy
in reply to spaghettiwestern • • •Aren't wind turbines mostly diesel generators in disguise?
-edited due to my ignorance:
No in fact what they are is in the name "WIND" turbines...
Armok_the_bunny
in reply to Freddyyeddy • • •Freddyyeddy
in reply to Armok_the_bunny • • •kalleboo
in reply to Freddyyeddy • • •This is complete BS, I could find zero sources for that claim, and several debunking it.
The only tangentially related thing I could find was that in colder climates, they need heat to de-ice the wings, and at one point, the power supply to a Scottish wind farm was cut off, so they put in some temporary diesel generators on-site to power the de-icing system to get the turbines going again.
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Armok_the_bunny
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in reply to BanMe • • •LordCrom
in reply to spaghettiwestern • • •Hell. In Florida, FPL is the electric provider, and they are fighting tooth and nail to keep people from installing solar on houses.... In Florida, we would have almost free electric for everyone if all houses could install panels....
But FPL lobbied our GOP legislature and force anyone with solar to have a million dollar insurance policy payable to FPL in case something happens. Also got regulations passed to bar home windstorm insurance if any panels are bolted to the roof. So if you have panels, no hurricane insurance for you....and the mortgage holder gets to put their expensive policy on your home.
Fuck FPL
FreedomAdvocate
in reply to LordCrom • • •LordCrom
in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •Bad phrasing. There are power walls for home use and FPL is still available.
My point is that Florida could use solar as 1 prong on the challenge to provide clean, green energy but FPL must deliver profit to it's shareholders and will fight that effort
FreedomAdvocate
in reply to LordCrom • • •As soon as solar panels and batteries are involved it’s not “clean, green energy” though. I have no idea how people ate that lie.
Solar panels don’t grow on trees. They’re not made from renewable sources. They require mass amounts of mining and coal/gas created energy to make, and they last 10-20 years max. They’re not recyclable either because it costs more to recycle them than it does to make a new one.
Batteries are even worse.
Natanael
in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •Jason2357
in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •FreedomAdvocate
in reply to Jason2357 • • •💯
Nuclear + solar is the only way to truly make it work. Unfortunately the “nuclear bad” message that’s spread by the “renewables” people are going to put us trillions of dollars and decades behind in getting there.
SaveTheTuaHawk
in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •SaveTheTuaHawk
in reply to FreedomAdvocate • • •only because we choose to use coal and gas. This circular argument is old.
FreedomAdvocate
in reply to SaveTheTuaHawk • • •SaveTheTuaHawk
in reply to LordCrom • • •Global_Liberty
in reply to SaveTheTuaHawk • • •Florida has some of the strictest building codes in the United States due to the hurricane and flooding risks.
May I ask the source of your comment?
SaveTheTuaHawk
in reply to Global_Liberty • • •Global_Liberty
in reply to LordCrom • • •Yes, FPL has done a lot to prevent rooftop solar, but calling it "almost free" is not correct. Rooftop solar still comes with significant upfront costs. The weather of Florida degrades panels quicker with non-trivial odds of hurricane damage. Finally, Southwestern states receive much more solar irradiance.
If you are willing to be pragmatic and want solar in Florida, FPL's solar together program is your best option. Like it or not, utility grade solar is 1/3 the LCOE.
Seth Taylor
in reply to spaghettiwestern • • •"Will pass wind"
Haha
Cool
answersplease77
in reply to Seth Taylor • • •my dylexic brain read it as "US soldier will pass wind in 2025 and leaves coal dust soon after.."
holycrap wtf did they feed them as part of military experiment or wtf is going on???
jmsy
in reply to spaghettiwestern • • •A recent article about the state of the coal industry in the usa....
Fossil Fuels and Fossilized Minds - Paul Krugman share.google/9gGFCB2MFShNzGJrp
jaykrown
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