Meta is exploiting the 'illusion of privacy' to sell you ads based on chatbot conversations, top AI ethics expert says—and you can't opt out
Meta is about to make your chats with its AI assistant part of its advertising machine, the company announced Wednesday. Beginning December 16, conversations with Meta AI — the company’s chatbot embedded across Facebook, Instagram, Messenger, and even its new Ray-Ban Display smart glasses — will be used to determine which ads and recommendations show up in your feed.The company will start formally notifying users of the change on October 7. There’s no opt-out: If you don’t want your chatbot conversations influencing your ads, the only option is not to use Meta AI at all.
Meta is exploiting the ‘illusion of privacy’ to sell you ads based on chatbot conversations, top AI ethics expert says—and you can’t opt out
Linguist and AI critic Emily Bender says the shift could incentivize Meta to design its AI to prod users into even more conversations.Eva Roytburg (Fortune)
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Update: Hedge Fund Billionaire Pressed Treasury Secretary For Argentina Bailout, Argentine Media Reports
Rob Citrone, whose hedge fund bet big on Argentina, reportedly asked his friend for a rescue package. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent delivered.
Judd Legum
Oct 02 2025
Previously from Legum:
Sept 29, 2025
Trump’s Argentina Bailout Enriches One Well-Connected US BillionaireA $20 billion US rescue package is a gift for a hedge fund manager with ties to Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent.
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UPDATE: Hedge fund billionaire pressed Treasury Secretary for Argentina bailout, Argentine media reports
Rob Citrone, whose hedge fund bet big on Argentina, reportedly asked his friend for a rescue package. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent delivered.Judd Legum (Popular Information)
Cable nostalgia persists as streaming gets more expensive, fragmented
Cable nostalgia persists as streaming gets more expensive, fragmented
Cord reviving isn’t common but points to discontent with today’s streaming options.Scharon Harding (Ars Technica)
Eiffel Tower closed as nationwide strikes held across France against austerity
Protesters have taken to the streets in Paris and over 200 other locations across France to denounce spending cuts and demand higher taxes on the wealthy.
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'Mainstream' media rush to provide cover for Israel's attack on flotilla
Mainstream media ignore the fact that Israel attacked in international waters as they rush to make the Zionist's actions acceptable
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Energy Department tries to stifle workers’ use of climate-related words
Employees are told to avoid terms like “decarbonization,” “sustainable,” “emissions,” and “green.”
Israel only allows 10% of required aid into Gaza as it starves Palestine
Israel lets in 1824 trucks - but approximately 18,000 are needed to address the siege the Zionists have unleashed on Gaza
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US Energy Dept. Cancels Hundreds of Clean-Energy Projects, Mostly in Blue States
cross-posted from: slrpnk.net/post/28307152
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The Sumud Flotilla Has Succeeded in Making Israel a Pariah
The Global Sumud Flotilla seemingly breached Israel’s blockade of Gaza while provoking an Israeli response that triggered anger and reprisals from various governments. It’s one of the most successful acts of civil disobedience in recent history.
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Private Equity Is Set to Profit From New School Vouchers
The school voucher provision in Donald Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill is expected to transfer billions of dollars to private schools and companies that contract with public school districts. That includes companies owned by private equity firms.
Tesla reverses sales decline in Q3, sells 50k more cars than it built
The end of the EV tax credit in the US on September 30 helped spur sales.
Public billed over £52k for slightly redder flags during Trump visit
At a time when food bank use is skyrocketing, it's an absolute disgrace that public funds has been spent on indulging Trump
EU Commission to slash fines on member states breaking fiscal rules
The EU Commission wants to slash threatened financial sanctions against member states that fail to cut their debt or budget deficits, as part of its economic and financial simplification package published on Thursday.
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EU Commission to slash fines on member states breaking fiscal rules
The EU Commission wants to slash threatened financial sanctions against member states that fail to cut their debt or budget deficits, as part of its economic and financial simplification package published on Thursday.Benjamin Fox (EUobserver)
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Israel bombs 'safe zone' communal kitchen killing three brothers who ran it, among others
Israel has within the last few hours bombed a communal kitchen in the so-called 'safe zone' of al-Mawasi, Khan Younis.
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'Surreal Moment for America': ICE Agents in Chicago Drag Children Out of Their Homes, Ransack Building
Federal law enforcement officials in Chicago conducted a controversial raid, dragging residents, including children, from their homes.
'Surreal Moment for America': ICE Agents in Chicago Drag Children Out of Their Homes, Ransack Building
"We're under siege," said one witness. "We're being invaded by our own military."brad-reed (Common Dreams)
Solar became the EU’s main source of electricity for the first time this June
For the first month in history, solar energy was the main source of electricity generated in the EU.
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One million Europeans demand Brussels fund safe abortions
This week, the pan-European platform My Voice, My Choice brought its demands directly to equality commissioner Hadja Lahbib, calling on the EU to set up a fund to guarantee safe and legal access to abortion as an essential aspect of women’s rights and healthcare across all member states.
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One million Europeans demand Brussels fund safe abortions
This week, the pan-European platform My Voice, My Choice brought its demands directly to equality commissioner Hadja Lahbib, calling on the EU to set up a fund to guarantee safe and legal access to abortion as an essential aspect of women’s rights an…EUobserver
Canada Warns Travelers With X Marker on Passports They May Face Obstacles in US
People with an X marker on their passports may “face entry restrictions” in the US, the Canadian government warned.
Flock’s Gunshot Detection Microphones Will Start Listening for Human Voices
Flock Safety, the police technology company most notable for their extensive network of automated license plate readers spread throughout the United States, is rolling out a new and troubling product that may create headaches for the cities that adopt it: detection of “human distress” via audio. As part of their suite of technologies, Flock has been pushing Raven, their version of acoustic gunshot detection. These devices capture sounds in public places and use machine learning to try to identify gunshots and then alert police—but EFF has long warned that they are also high powered microphones parked above densely-populated city streets. Cities now have one more reason to follow the lead of many other municipalities and cancel their Flock contracts, before this new feature causes civil liberties harms to residents and headaches for cities.
Flock’s Gunshot Detection Microphones Will Start Listening for Human Voices
Flock Safety, the police technology company most notable for their extensive network of automated license plate readers spread throughout the United States, is rolling out a new and troubling product that may create headaches for the cities that adop…Electronic Frontier Foundation
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Defend Our Juries just told the Met police where to go over postponing this Saturday’s protest
On Thursday 2 October, Defend Our Juries laid out to Met police in no uncertain terms that it would not cancel its long-planned protest this upcoming weekend.
Defend Our Juries defies Met Police hypocrisy
The letter was in response to a communication from assistant commissioner Ade Adelekan to the group earlier this afternoon, asking it to consider postponing the demonstration in the light of the Manchester attacks. However, Defend Our Juries, while condemning the atrocious attack, have stood firm in their determination to oppose Israel’s genocide and the unjust proscription of Palestine Action.
The letter from Adelekan highlighted something egregiously hypocritical about the repressive policing of peaceful protesters more broadly.
In his letter the Assistant Commissioner said:
as you know your previous large-scale protests and other concurrent protests, place a significant pressure on policing and draw officers away from communities they serve to be in central London. This means less neighbourhood and response officers in their communities and less officers focussing on police crimes.Your last three events in central London have required over 2500 to police including dedicated Counter Terrorism officers as a result of the Terrorism offences observed at your previous events.
Police failing to prevent real terrorism as they target peaceful protester
In reply, the group wrote:
First let us say that we utterly condemn the attack on the Jewish community in Manchester today.This is what genuine terrorism looks like and we join with others in condemning it unreservedly.
As we have pointed out in our, sadly unacknowledged and unanswered, letters to Met Commissioner Mark Rowley, it has always been the choice of the Metropolitan Police whether or not to make arrests at our protests. Amnesty International has advised Mark Rowley that these arrests fall foul of international law and our fundamental rights.
As you know we are making two demands of the government: that it reverse the ban on a domestic protest group that poses no risk to the public; and secondly that the government take action in line with its obligations to prevent genocide.
It is unfortunate that the Home Office has not decided to rescind the ban in the wake of the ever-growing defiance and has chosen instead to put an increasing and unnecessary strain on police resources.
It is unfortunate that the Home Office has not decided to rescind the ban in the wake of the ever-growing defiance and has chosen instead to put an increasing and unnecessary strain on police resources. According to your letter, it appears the political oversight in proscribing Palestine Action, which aimed to save lives in Palestine, is taking away from the police protecting the community from those who seek to take lives.
As I’m sure you will understand, the protection of our democracy and the prevention of countless deaths are critical issues. Therefore, our protest will go ahead as planned for this Saturday.
We urge you therefore to choose to prioritise protecting the community, rather than arresting those peacefully holding signs in opposition to the absurd and draconian ban of a domestic direct action group.
We hope you make the right choice to not arrest those taking part, and correctly deploy counter-terrorism resources this weekend.
Please understand that some 1,500 people have given deep consideration to committing to this nonviolent action which, as the Met has repeatedly pointed out, comes with serious risks. We hope you respect our fundamental right to peaceful protest and freedom of expression.
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Starmer claims that America under Donald Trump 'keeps us safe'
It's not like anybody expected Starmer to show some backbone and call Trump a racist, authoritarian , warmongering dick
With New U.S. Proposal to End Gaza War, a Rare Moment of Triumph for Netanyahu
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/36992025
archive.ph/nun8LIn President Trump’s plan, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got almost everything he hoped for in the end, despite mounting international isolation.
By David M. Halbfinger and Aaron Boxerman
Sept. 30, 2025
Ultimately, Mr. Netanyahu got almost everything he could have hoped from Mr. Trump’s proposal — a demand that Hamas release the hostages immediately and lay down its weapons, without which Israel would have carte blanche to keep pummeling Gaza.As for Israeli troops, they would get to remain in Gaza’s perimeter for the foreseeable future. There was such a stinting nod to the aspiration of statehood for Palestinians that the proposal all but suggested they just keep dreaming. And the Palestinian Authority would be left playing no role in Gaza anytime soon.
It was a rare moment of triumph that showed Mr. Netanyahu could still get much — if not all — of what he wanted despite Israel’s mounting international isolation. Just last week, several European countries recognized a Palestinian state over Israeli objections, while a diplomatic walkout left Mr. Netanyahu addressing a mostly empty room at the United Nations.
Larry Ellison Vetted Marco Rubio for Fealty to Israel, Hacked Emails Reveal
Everything is coming together for Larry Ellison. The billionaire co-founder of tech giant Oracle, on-and-off-again the richest man in the world and a staunch supporter of Israel, is set to take a lead role in reshaping TikTok in the United States. His son, David Ellison, is moving to take over large swaths of the media, including CBS News, CNN, Warner Brothers, and Paramount, reportedly bringing in the Free Press’s Bari Weiss to shape editorial direction.
As the nation’s top diplomat, Secretary of State Marco Rubio has also played a role in the TikTok talks that steered the company toward Ellison, after playing a lead role as a senator in demonizing the app; he was also closely involved in the rollout of Trump’s plan for Gaza’s future, which hands the enclave to Blair. Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner tasked the Blair Institute in the spring with coming up with a post-war plan for Gaza, which was recently completed, the Times of Israel reported.
That Rubio finds himself in such a central position is in part thanks to Ellison, who has been a major patron of the Cuban-American former senator from Florida. Ellison first vetted Rubio for his fealty toward Israel back in early 2015, according to previously unreported email correspondence reviewed by Drop Site.
Larry Ellison Vetted Marco Rubio for Fealty to Israel, Hacked Emails Reveal
The billionaire Oracle founder is on track to take control of the American media.Ryan Grim (Drop Site News)
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Larry Ellison Vetted Marco Rubio for Fealty to Israel, Hacked Emails Reveal
Everything is coming together for Larry Ellison. The billionaire co-founder of tech giant Oracle, on-and-off-again the richest man in the world and a staunch supporter of Israel, is set to take a lead role in reshaping TikTok in the United States. His son, David Ellison, is moving to take over large swaths of the media, including CBS News, CNN, Warner Brothers, and Paramount, reportedly bringing in the Free Press’s Bari Weiss to shape editorial direction.
As the nation’s top diplomat, Secretary of State Marco Rubio has also played a role in the TikTok talks that steered the company toward Ellison, after playing a lead role as a senator in demonizing the app; he was also closely involved in the rollout of Trump’s plan for Gaza’s future, which hands the enclave to Blair. Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner tasked the Blair Institute in the spring with coming up with a post-war plan for Gaza, which was recently completed, the Times of Israel reported.
That Rubio finds himself in such a central position is in part thanks to Ellison, who has been a major patron of the Cuban-American former senator from Florida. Ellison first vetted Rubio for his fealty toward Israel back in early 2015, according to previously unreported email correspondence reviewed by Drop Site.
Larry Ellison Vetted Marco Rubio for Fealty to Israel, Hacked Emails Reveal
The billionaire Oracle founder is on track to take control of the American media.Ryan Grim (Drop Site News)
With New U.S. Proposal to End Gaza War, a Rare Moment of Triumph for Netanyahu
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/36992025
archive.ph/nun8LIn President Trump’s plan, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got almost everything he hoped for in the end, despite mounting international isolation.
By David M. Halbfinger and Aaron Boxerman
Sept. 30, 2025
Ultimately, Mr. Netanyahu got almost everything he could have hoped from Mr. Trump’s proposal — a demand that Hamas release the hostages immediately and lay down its weapons, without which Israel would have carte blanche to keep pummeling Gaza.As for Israeli troops, they would get to remain in Gaza’s perimeter for the foreseeable future. There was such a stinting nod to the aspiration of statehood for Palestinians that the proposal all but suggested they just keep dreaming. And the Palestinian Authority would be left playing no role in Gaza anytime soon.
It was a rare moment of triumph that showed Mr. Netanyahu could still get much — if not all — of what he wanted despite Israel’s mounting international isolation. Just last week, several European countries recognized a Palestinian state over Israeli objections, while a diplomatic walkout left Mr. Netanyahu addressing a mostly empty room at the United Nations.
With New U.S. Proposal to End Gaza War, a Rare Moment of Triumph for Netanyahu
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/36992025
archive.ph/nun8LIn President Trump’s plan, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got almost everything he hoped for in the end, despite mounting international isolation.
By David M. Halbfinger and Aaron Boxerman
Sept. 30, 2025
Ultimately, Mr. Netanyahu got almost everything he could have hoped from Mr. Trump’s proposal — a demand that Hamas release the hostages immediately and lay down its weapons, without which Israel would have carte blanche to keep pummeling Gaza.As for Israeli troops, they would get to remain in Gaza’s perimeter for the foreseeable future. There was such a stinting nod to the aspiration of statehood for Palestinians that the proposal all but suggested they just keep dreaming. And the Palestinian Authority would be left playing no role in Gaza anytime soon.
It was a rare moment of triumph that showed Mr. Netanyahu could still get much — if not all — of what he wanted despite Israel’s mounting international isolation. Just last week, several European countries recognized a Palestinian state over Israeli objections, while a diplomatic walkout left Mr. Netanyahu addressing a mostly empty room at the United Nations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/30/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war.html
With New U.S. Proposal to End Gaza War, a Rare Moment of Triumph for Netanyahu
In President Trump’s plan, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got almost everything he hoped for in the end, despite mounting international isolation.
By David M. Halbfinger and Aaron Boxerman
Sept. 30, 2025
Ultimately, Mr. Netanyahu got almost everything he could have hoped from Mr. Trump’s proposal — a demand that Hamas release the hostages immediately and lay down its weapons, without which Israel would have carte blanche to keep pummeling Gaza.As for Israeli troops, they would get to remain in Gaza’s perimeter for the foreseeable future. There was such a stinting nod to the aspiration of statehood for Palestinians that the proposal all but suggested they just keep dreaming. And the Palestinian Authority would be left playing no role in Gaza anytime soon.
It was a rare moment of triumph that showed Mr. Netanyahu could still get much — if not all — of what he wanted despite Israel’s mounting international isolation. Just last week, several European countries recognized a Palestinian state over Israeli objections, while a diplomatic walkout left Mr. Netanyahu addressing a mostly empty room at the United Nations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/30/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war.html
UK | Six Just Stop Oil activists found guilty in a trial riddled with rampant climate denialism
Just Stop Oil supporters found guilty for M25 protest in skewed trial in which the prosecution denied the facts of the climate crisis.
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90 degrees in October: Dozens of heat records could be broken in the Midwest
Midwest could break heat records in spate of summery weather
Temperatures across the Midwest could be up to 30 degrees higher than normal on Friday and Saturday. Records could be set in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and the Dakotas.Denise Chow (NBC News)
Armed Queers group has communist ties to China, Cuba #communism #Cuba #fbi #socialism #china
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Trump Publishes Enemies List To White House Website, And It’s Just Democrats Speaking The Truth
God, what I wouldn’t give for another Nixon administration. Sure, it was corrupt and built from the ground up to punish the opposing party for being the opposing party. But that administration was limited and restrained by things like competent oversight, a functioning court system that wasn’t constantly undermined by five justices who want to do all of their work on the shadow docket where they’re not obliged to explain their reasoning to the public, and a president who actually knew enough to resign, rather than face impeachment.
Trump Publishes Enemies List To White House Website, And It’s Just Democrats Speaking The Truth
God, what I wouldn’t give for another Nixon administration. Sure, it was corrupt and built from the ground up to punish the opposing party for being the opposing party. But that administratio…Techdirt
Labour Party members just defected to Your Party en masse
Labour Party members have signed a mass resignation letter, calling out Starmer's rightward direction, with the majority joining Your Party
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Reminder that The Canary is run by frothy-mouthed moaners who spin everything negatively unless personally blessed by Corbyn. It is not balanced, fair, or independent reporting. It's clearly also nonsense, as "en masse" implies the entire group previously described, and I'm pretty sure a) the Labour Party still has members, b) Your Party can't even decide how it is you become a member.
A much better, less sensationalist article is the one they link to: walthamforestecho.co.uk/2025/0…
21 Leyton and Wanstead Labour Party members resign over 'right-wing' drift - Waltham Forest Echo
The former party members, who will largely join Jeremy Corbyn's new political outfit, accuse Labour of 'abandoning' its founding principlesWaltham Forest (Waltham Forest Echo)
It is not balanced, fair, or independent reporting.
- They don't claim to be balanced. Quite the opposite. They are very open about their beliefs. thecanary.co/about
 - Define what you mean by fair? Bothsidesing is the worst thing you can do as a news site. I'm happy that they are not trying to find the middle ground between fascism and socialism in their coverage.
 - As far as I know they are ad and reader funded without taking corporate or lobbyist money.
 
Jumping in here, they’re fond of distorting the facts to make better outrage bait. They still take every opportunity to claim Palestine Action were targeting planes that were refuelling Israeli jets, the problem with that being the British refuelling system is incompatible with the one Israel uses.
Take an angle, sure. But don’t lie to do so.
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They still take every opportunity to claim Palestine Action were targeting planes that were refuelling Israeli jets <...>
As far as I can see they never said that. They just quoted Palestine Action saying that.
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And the later article thecanary.co/skwawkbox/2025/09… said that about F35 which can be refueled by Airbus KC3 Voyager.
RAF refuelling plane circling over Doha during Israeli terror attack
The RAF sending a refuelling plane to Doha is active collaboration in an act of war on the sovereign territory of a nation hosting peace talksSkwawkbox (The Canary)
Bothsidesing is the worst thing you can do as a news site.
Bothsiding ? Oh we're turning it into a verb now are we? OK. Cool.
I have to disagree with that. Not pretending to world is simple and presenting a balanced view of a story is a mature aged responsible thing to do as a news site. Obviously people will disagree but to hide information or distort it is not news. It's dirty propaganda.
We need less of these kinds of site that amplify hate towards others and pretend the world is simpler than it is. No wonder we're so fucked and divided as a country. The exact same thing Farage is doing to right wingers, sites like these are doing to left wingers.
I have easy answers for you. Oh and by the way everyone that disagrees with me is some form of evil.
FFS.
It's a thing, though apparently I missed a hyphen. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/both-si…
Not pretending to world is simple and presenting a balanced view of a story is a mature aged responsible thing to do as a news site. <...> It's dirty propaganda.
So in other words become corporate news and support elite class agenda of class divide by doing "fair" reporting that prevents any meaningful reform as a matter of policy. Great idea.
There are facts and then there is perspective. Facts should be presented accurately. Not hiding your perspective in the reporting is not "propoganda". It's more honest reporting since everyone knows where you stand and can decide for themselves how they feel about it.
We need less of these kinds of site that amplify hate towards others and pretend the world is simpler than it is.
Can you source this? I'm not aware of them amplifying hate.
Protests erupt after Israeli attack on Global Sumud Flotilla
Tens of thousands mobilized within hours of Israel’s assault on the Global Sumud Flotilla, with demonstrations expected to grow in the coming days.
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Three-quarters of Europeans back corporate accountability amid EU rollback
Three-quarters of Europeans believe large companies should be held accountable for human rights and environmental violations across their global supply chains, even as the European Union moves to weaken corporate sustainability laws, according to new polling reported Thursday by Amnesty International.
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Three-quarters of Europeans back corporate accountability amid EU rollback
Three-quarters of Europeans believe large companies should be held accountable for human rights and environmental violations across their global supply chains, even as the European Union moves to weak...Salma Ben Mariem | Faculty of Law and Political Science of Sousse, TN (- JURIST - News)
					
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in reply to hdnclr • • •I am also looking for a linux smart phone at the moment. I have not found many that don't seem to be sold out, or aren't quite there yet.
If I find anything promising I will edit.
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in reply to Deifyed • • •eOS works great for me on my fairphone 5, I suspect the model 6 is similar. Just be VERY careful about the anti-rollback protection, read the install instructions carefully and follow them exactly. And don't use the easy installer, it can brick your phone.
doc.e.foundation/devices/FP6/i…
For everyone else, here are the supported devices:
doc.e.foundation/devices
Install /e/OS on a Fairphone The Fairphone (Gen. 6) - “FP6”
doc.e.foundationasudox
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in reply to asudox • • •Postmarket OS isn't? Oh whoa, I just checked for myself, I had no idea, thought it was aosp too!
Cool, thanks for the correction.
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in reply to quick_snail • • •muhyb
in reply to hdnclr • • •I wanted PinePhone to work decently so I could daily drive it but when I got it it was already far behind from my old phone hardware-wise. PostmarketOS had run roughly. It was kinda usable but I couldn't manage to use Signal on it (it was a desktop app that time). GPS wasn't working either. 2 most important things for me. Battery life was also abysmal.
This was years ago though, PostmarketOS is probably much much better now. I sold that PinePhone so I don't know its current state. I wouldn't expect more from what I tried.
If I'm gonna get a Linux phone now, I want to see a good Android app emulation. At least until we get real alternatives. I still need a couple apps from Aurora Store. F-Droid apps have a better chance to be ported to Linux from Google Play ones anyway.
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in reply to muhyb • • •Same boat here.
I still futz with my PinePhone but mostly as a portable music/video player.
Eagerly awaiting the rebirth of CalyxOS
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calyxos.orgMonkeMischief
in reply to muhyb • • •Really sad about the Pinephone, because you know what Pine did SO WELL? The PineTime. That device is still incredible and has lasted me a long time.
It shows time, and it shows messages, even a decent heartrate monitor! Built like a tank, too. I wish more of their products could be this awesome.
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in reply to hdnclr • • •I have a Xiaomi Mi A2 that I ran ubuntu touch on. The camera didn't work, and it was based on ubuntu 16.04. They've dropped support for it now. It was not ready to be a daily driver.
I should be getting a poco x3 nfc in the mail tomorrow. It should have excellent support on both postmarketos and ubuntu touch. I don't expect it to be a daily driver, but I can't get the idea out of my head. I don't like where iOS and Android are headed.
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in reply to hdnclr • • •Yes, running OnePlus 6 with Mobile NixOS (actually mostly just NixOS with a couple modules from mobile NixOS). I will try to make the config public when I get it into a less rough state. It's... useable as a daily phone, but you have to be really into it to do it.
It's not like desktop Linux where if you're a tech enthusiast you can ignore a few rough edges and just use it like you would a more mainstream OS.
I had to flash a specific old version of OxygenOS, using almost undocumented tools, which could easily brick the phone if something went wrong, just for GPS to work. I have to recompile my kernel every time it updates. I had to write my own scripts for the hardware slider thing to work (which has a nice benefit of letting me use it for whatever I want; I want to make it switch between NORMAL and INSERT in my editor just as a laugh).
Foot Pedal Ups Vim Productivity, Brings Ergonomic Benefits
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in reply to balsoft • • •I got a oneplus 6 to install nixos, but I'm currently using LineageOS as I kind of got stuck on the nixos install, and I needed a phone. I previously had nixos on a pinephone and it was cool but too slow to use seriously.
I have a second oneplus 6 with a wonky usb port, am going to try to fix that and maybe give nixos another go. Sounds like its even more hassly than I thought!
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in reply to balsoft • • •balsoft
in reply to jnod4 • • •Honestly, it's mostly just trying shit out, breaking your install and fixing it, and having fun. In the grand scheme of things doing all that stuff is not that difficult, mostly tedious; my day job involves more complex and often interesting problems. It's just gluing together things which other people wrote, looking at what breaks, and either fixing it properly or just hacking it together with perl.
Finally, I can confide to you that I've spent half a day getting wireguard working on that very phone a couple months ago, only to find out it was because I didn't poke the right holes in the firewall 😀
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in reply to jnod4 • • •flexacarn
in reply to S_H_K • • •It's accelerating now. I hang out on App subs and people say shit like 'it took me a whole month to develop this app', some even do it in 'days'.
I've just released and it took me three years. I'm sure their apps are Ai slop, but that's what I'm competing with.
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in reply to hdnclr • • •Yaky
in reply to MynameisAllen • • •Looks like BM818 in Librem5 supports VoLTE, but might have issues with some networks.
PinePhone's (and one of Mudita's phone's) EG25 modem technically supports VoLTE, but was very flaky for me (in a mid-low signal area)
FuriLabs (FLX1) seems to have VoLTE working.
Ubuntu Touch explicitly states that it does not support VoLTE.
uKale
in reply to Yaky • • •Crozekiel
in reply to Yaky • • •quick_snail
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in reply to quick_snail • • •Ŝan
in reply to hdnclr • • •I just fat-fingered myself into a need for a new phone. I'd really like to get away from Android, but I've yet to hear anyone say any smartphone running Linux is ready for daily driving.
😢
titanicx
in reply to Ŝan • • •pogmommy
in reply to titanicx • • •toynbee
in reply to Ŝan • • •Ŝan
in reply to toynbee • • •Sometimes, sentences come togeþer wiþ so many in a row I feel self-conscious. More rarely, I produce one, or none.
You become hyper-aware of how heavily English relies on "th" when you walk þis paþ.
toynbee
in reply to Ŝan • • •Blisterexe
in reply to toynbee • • •ClusterBomb
in reply to Blisterexe • • •Blisterexe
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in reply to Blisterexe • • •Blisterexe
in reply to ClusterBomb • • •toynbee
in reply to Blisterexe • • •I think you're making a joke I'm too oblivious to get, but in case I was wrong:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsby…
(Not to be confused with a similarly titled book that definitely uses the letter 'e')
novel by Ernest Vincent Wright
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Blisterexe
in reply to toynbee • • •Ŝan
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in reply to Ŝan • • •☂️-
in reply to Ŝan • • •apoisel
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in reply to apoisel • • •DeathByDenim
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in reply to DeathByDenim • • •robber
in reply to apoisel • • •mobile phone Linux distribution
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)apoisel
in reply to robber • • •Open Source
Sailfish OS Documentationapoisel
in reply to robber • • •Camera app available at Sailfish OS GitHub
Sailfish OS Forummagguzu
in reply to hdnclr • • •rhythmisaprancer
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in reply to magguzu • • •quick_snail
in reply to magguzu • • •This, but Pixel 4a. Nearly identical phones, except one has more RAM.
I just bought like five of them. Best Pixel on the market, imho.
SteleTrovilo
in reply to hdnclr • • •Sophienomenal
in reply to SteleTrovilo • • •thingsiplay
in reply to SteleTrovilo • • •Ubuntu Touch • Linux Phone
www.ubuntu-touch.ioquick_snail
in reply to SteleTrovilo • • •Better not to use Signal. It's intentionally made less secure by requiring a phone number.
Wire is better. Native Linux app. No phone number needed.
SteleTrovilo
in reply to quick_snail • • •hperrin
in reply to hdnclr • • •Nora
in reply to hperrin • • •The thing wouldn't sleep properly.
RheumatoidArthritis
in reply to Nora • • •DetachablePianist
in reply to hdnclr • • •Sarcasmo220
in reply to hdnclr • • •I daily drive a Librem 5. First thing to note is do not expect a well polished experience. Battery life is bad, only about 4 hours of light use, and 8 or so hours if left in suspend. It can do VoLTE, send SMS, use web apps and any apps coded with libadwaita or kirigami. Other desktop apps can be forced to scale on the display, but it won't be perfect.
I use Signal desktop as my main means of communication on the Librem 5. I have a spare normie phone for setup, but Waydroid is an option. I do use Waydroid for a few apps that have no web browser equivalent.
Idk, all I can say is, you have to really want it to live with it. I don't do gaming or heavy social media use or anything removed that, so it is just fine for me. But it's definitely not for everyone.
quick_snail
in reply to Sarcasmo220 • • •Sarcasmo220
in reply to quick_snail • • •glitching
in reply to hdnclr • • •oneplus 6T and poco F1 on mobian and postmarketOS. SDM845 devices with 8 GB RAM and fast storage, about the peak of performance you can have nowadays for about $50 apiece. I'd encourage anyone to get a cheap device, fun to play around with and prepare for the day when it becomes viable. ubuntu touch is also possible, but since it's halium (like android + linux VM) it wants me to downgrade to Android 9 which is virtually impossible for me; the former two run full linux kernels and don't have that limitation - spotty hardware support, though.
performance is acceptable, the power to do almost anything you want, access whatever and whenever you want. I run it without broadband, just wifi. the cameras are unusable. since I keep the modem off, GPS doesn't work either. so it's a linux laptop with touch, basically. the apps are a shitshow, rarely will you find one that supports touch and adapts to the vertical zoomed-in screen.
but it's getting better, shit's way better now than it was only a year ago and eventually it'll get there.
as long as you're aware it's not an android alternative, you'll have a good time.
Korhaka
in reply to hdnclr • • •smeg
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in reply to hdnclr • • •quick_snail
in reply to uKale • • •utopiah
in reply to hdnclr • • •I wish... and I did try. You can see my post history but basically PinePhone and PinePhone Pro sitting neatly on the shelf.
They work. Sure, but between battery life or rather power management, lack of camera on the Pro, lack of MIPS on the base model to use Android apps via Waydroid, I had a lot of fun tinkering, but for me these are not daily drives.
For now I'm stuck with deGoogle Android thanks to /e/OS pre-installed by Murena on a CMF Nothing 1. It's neat thanks to F-Droid, Termux, KDE Connect, GadgetBridge, etc but overall I'd much rather be on Linux proper. If there is a path please do share.
HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to hdnclr • • •Sony Xperia III with Sailfish OS flashed on it. Running Android emulation for a few apps like local public transport, K9 Mail. No Google.
Nice thing its easily programmable in Python / Guile / Rust. Plus has a FLOSS Linux app store.
I also have a Gemini PDA with a physical keyboard, which runs Sailfish as well. It's nice to use vim on it.
LaterRedditor
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to LaterRedditor • • •brachypelmide
in reply to hdnclr • • •A bit late to the party here, but today I flashed Ubuntu Touch onto a Xiaomi Poco X3, and it's... well, it's rough.
All the base functionality seems to be there, calls should work (not sure because I didn't test them extensively), sms works, location/gps works, nfc is supported, camera is.. passable, battery life is certainly, and noticeably worse but that's a given - when on standby, the battery goes down roughly 8% every 5 hours, so approx. 27% per day on standby.
While I'm really glad to see how much Linux phone development sped up, they are still nowhere near daily driver status - even the phones built with Linux support in mind are not faring well from what I've seen. Even then, I'm keeping this Poco X3 because Android's days seem to be numbered.
DarkAri
in reply to hdnclr • • •I just ordered a pinephone, haven't received it yet. The pinephone is the best native option in the U.S right now but you can get some unlocked smartphones with better hardware and install Linux it's just a bit of a headache.
The general consensus is that it's pretty low power, being one of the only chipsets that has publicly available design docs for it. It's a mid tier 2015 era chipset. It a bit slow but works as a phone. You can probably emulate android apps in it.
HubertManne
in reply to DarkAri • • •DarkAri
in reply to HubertManne • • •I haven't received it yet but apparently not good. It's a $200 phone. I mostly want it because it runs Linux natively, has a regular unlocked bootloader that isn't designed to be frustrating like android phones, and can send display over USB-C so it's like a regular computer. You can run anything like emulating windows apps, you could install steam on it technically by putting it in an emulation container, but the chipset is very old at this point, and so you aren't going to be emulating anything remotely modern on it. It is just a PC in your pocket though. You have a package manager, you can install many different Linux distros on it. You can get a LoRa radio mesh case for it, a physical keyboard/battery case, which I will probably get eventually. I think it's worth the 200 dollars. I really want to get away from android. It's hard because everything from Arm CPUs to the modems are completely proprietary. The only reason this device exists is because the design docs got leaked.
It does have phone, sms, and your standard phone stuff. You can get several different desktop environments like plasma mobile or gnome mobile and several others. It has 3 GBs of ram, and the OS usually takes up around 500 MB. It has dip switches to disable the hardware like the camera, cell modem, wifi, bt, etc. It would be a great device for taking to defcon.
HubertManne
in reply to DarkAri • • •DarkAri
in reply to HubertManne • • •folaht
in reply to hdnclr • • •I went from Sailfish, to Ubuntu phone, back to Sailfish,
then bought a Pinephone due to the war,
not knowing if the Finnish company would survive
before going back to Sailfish.
Pinephone, despite it being the most linux of phones, used up too much battery power.
Ubuntu phones were already miles better.
snikta
in reply to hdnclr • • •pineapple
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