Donald Trump orders Israel to ‘immediately’ stop bombing Gaza as Hamas agrees to free hostages
William Christou in Jerusalem
Fri 3 Oct 2025 19.37 EDT
Donald Trump ordered Israel to “immediately” stop bombing Gaza as he welcomed Hamas’s partial acceptance of his ultimatum to end the nearly two-year war.Hamas has agreed to release all hostages in return for Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails, as well as surrender governing power in the Gaza Strip, in accordance with Trump’s plan.
In a statement on Friday evening, the Palestinian militant group asked for further negotiations on other parts of the plan, and did not say whether it would lay down its arms – a key part of Trump’s proposal unveiled on Monday.
Despite the qualified response by Hamas, Trump said in a post on Truth Social: “Based on the Statement just issued by Hamas, I believe they are ready for a lasting PEACE."
Donald Trump orders Israel to ‘immediately’ stop bombing Gaza as Hamas agrees to free hostages
Palestinian militant group accepts part of US president’s plan but seeks further negotiations on many termsWilliam Christou (The Guardian)
‘No, You Cannot!’ Kristi Noem Denied Bathroom Access at Illinois Government Building
‘No, You Cannot!’ Kristi Noem Denied Bathroom Access at Illinois Government Building
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem was barred from entering the Village of Broadview Municipal Building in Illinois to use the bathroom on Friday.Kathryn Wilkens (Mediaite)
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California resident who tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh jailed for eight years
cross-posted from: ibbit.at/post/72199
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California resident who tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh jailed for eight years
Sophie Roske pleaded guilty in April to attempted assassination and faced potential sentence of life in prisonGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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I feel bad for him, it's hard not for the comments to be political - he didn't choose this life for himself.
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Hello! I’m Evan Asher, and welcome to my official YouTube channel! Step into the thrilling world of Gaming USA, where you’ll join me and my friends in creating original live-action adventures and movies.YouTube
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My parents suck! I can't wait for them to die! I pray for it.
I can't imagine what having Mrs. McCarthy as a Mom is like. It has to be a nightmare.
I'm happy he's gaming and is YouTubing. His YTs need to join the Fediverse!
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Are EBIL CHINESE Solar panels to blame for Pakistan's water crisis? The answer will shock you! (tl;dr: NO)
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Kansas special session on trans law would be 'more important than redistricting'
Top Kansas Republicans want the Legislature to hold a special session to amend a state law related to transgender people, which they say is "even more important than redistricting."The move comes after the Kansas Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from Attorney General Kris Kobach related to Senate Bill 180. That 2023 law is the subject of a legal dispute over whether it blocks trans people from changing their gender marker on their driver's license.
It also comes at a time when Republicans are moving toward calling a special session on redistricting with a goal of gerrymandering the congressional district maps.
Kansas special session on trans law would be 'more important than redistricting'
Top Kansas Republicans want a special session on SB 180, a law affecting transgender people, they say is "even more important than redistricting.", The Topeka Capital-Journal (The Topeka Capital-Journal)
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As Israeli Forces Seize Final Sumud Boat, Another Flotilla Sails Toward Gaza
As Israeli Forces Seize Final Sumud Boat, Another Flotilla Sails Toward Gaza
"As journalists and medical professionals, we carry the responsibility to speak truth and preserve life," said an Italian surgeon.jessica-corbett (Common Dreams)
Hamas agrees to release all Israeli hostages both living and dead
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MAGA’s “Voter Fraud” Watchdog Votes in a Swing State. He Doesn’t Live There.
MAGA’s “Voter Fraud” Watchdog Votes in a Swing State. He Doesn’t Live There.
A long paper trail shows that Jack Posobiec casts a ballot in one state and lives in another.Jacqueline Sweet (Slate)
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Breaking down the justification behind Alberta Premier Danielle Smith’s ‘pipeline to nowhere’
Breaking down the justification behind Danielle Smith’s ‘pipeline to nowhere’
Oil production in Canada hit record highs last year, the Trans Mountain expansion pipeline is in operation, and more fossil fuel infrastructure keeps getting built, yet in Alberta Premier Danielle Smith's new pipeline pitch, the oil industry is nothi…Canada's National Observer
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I'm wondering if there is a recommendation for a small camera to take hiking, or just for general convenience. I like to turn my phone off when I'm out so I can properly disconnect, plus I'm winding down my phone dependency in general.
Something to point and shoot would be nice, but I'm potentially interested in learning a bit about using some actual camera techniques.
Military Social Media Feels So Surreal Right Now
The Military Has No Idea What Its Place Is Right Now. You Can See That Online.
On Instagram, there’s a profound identity crisis unfolding.Syrus Solo Jin (Slate)
Dozens Arrested as 1,000+ Jews Demand Gaza Ceasefire at Rabbi-Led Yom Kippur Protest in NYC | Common Dreams
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/37043756
Brett Wilkins
Oct 03, 2025
Protesters then marched to the Brooklyn Bridge, where some sat down, locked their arms together, and sang while blocking traffic to the span. New York Police Department (NYPD) officers subsequently arrested at least 56 people, according to the New York Post.Many of the arrested protesters chanted, “Let Gaza Live!” as their hands were zip-tied and they were hauled off to an awaiting NYPD bus.
Asked why she was arrested, one keffiyeh-clad woman said, “Because I’m using this sacred holiday of Yom Kippur, as a Jewish person whose ancestors perished during the Holocaust, to protest against the genocide of the Palestinian people in my name.”
“And I say, not in my name,” she added.
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Dozens Arrested as 1,000+ Jews Demand Gaza Ceasefire at Rabbi-Led Yom Kippur Protest in NYC | Common Dreams
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/37043756
Brett Wilkins
Oct 03, 2025
Protesters then marched to the Brooklyn Bridge, where some sat down, locked their arms together, and sang while blocking traffic to the span. New York Police Department (NYPD) officers subsequently arrested at least 56 people, according to the New York Post.Many of the arrested protesters chanted, “Let Gaza Live!” as their hands were zip-tied and they were hauled off to an awaiting NYPD bus.
Asked why she was arrested, one keffiyeh-clad woman said, “Because I’m using this sacred holiday of Yom Kippur, as a Jewish person whose ancestors perished during the Holocaust, to protest against the genocide of the Palestinian people in my name.”
“And I say, not in my name,” she added.
Dozens Arrested as 1,000+ Jews Demand Gaza Ceasefire at Rabbi-Led Yom Kippur Protest in NYC | Common Dreams
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/37043756
Brett Wilkins
Oct 03, 2025
Protesters then marched to the Brooklyn Bridge, where some sat down, locked their arms together, and sang while blocking traffic to the span. New York Police Department (NYPD) officers subsequently arrested at least 56 people, according to the New York Post.Many of the arrested protesters chanted, “Let Gaza Live!” as their hands were zip-tied and they were hauled off to an awaiting NYPD bus.
Asked why she was arrested, one keffiyeh-clad woman said, “Because I’m using this sacred holiday of Yom Kippur, as a Jewish person whose ancestors perished during the Holocaust, to protest against the genocide of the Palestinian people in my name.”
“And I say, not in my name,” she added.
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Dozens Arrested as 1,000+ Jews Demand Gaza Ceasefire at Rabbi-Led Yom Kippur Protest in NYC | Common Dreams
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/37043756
Brett Wilkins
Oct 03, 2025
Protesters then marched to the Brooklyn Bridge, where some sat down, locked their arms together, and sang while blocking traffic to the span. New York Police Department (NYPD) officers subsequently arrested at least 56 people, according to the New York Post.Many of the arrested protesters chanted, “Let Gaza Live!” as their hands were zip-tied and they were hauled off to an awaiting NYPD bus.
Asked why she was arrested, one keffiyeh-clad woman said, “Because I’m using this sacred holiday of Yom Kippur, as a Jewish person whose ancestors perished during the Holocaust, to protest against the genocide of the Palestinian people in my name.”
“And I say, not in my name,” she added.
Dozens Arrested as 1,000+ Jews Demand Gaza Ceasefire at Rabbi-Led Yom Kippur Protest in NYC | Common Dreams
Brett Wilkins
Oct 03, 2025
Protesters then marched to the Brooklyn Bridge, where some sat down, locked their arms together, and sang while blocking traffic to the span. New York Police Department (NYPD) officers subsequently arrested at least 56 people, according to the New York Post.Many of the arrested protesters chanted, “Let Gaza Live!” as their hands were zip-tied and they were hauled off to an awaiting NYPD bus.
Asked why she was arrested, one keffiyeh-clad woman said, “Because I’m using this sacred holiday of Yom Kippur, as a Jewish person whose ancestors perished during the Holocaust, to protest against the genocide of the Palestinian people in my name.”
“And I say, not in my name,” she added.
Dozens Arrested as 1,000+ Jews Demand Gaza Ceasefire at Rabbi-Led Yom Kippur Protest in NYC
Protesters blocked traffic to the Brooklyn Bridge, embodying the ancient Jewish tenets of justice, righteousness, and saving life.brett-wilkins (Common Dreams)
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Bessent Unveils Illegal Plan to Put Trump’s Face on U.S. Coins
According to the United States Code, which has a special section for commemorative coins: “No coin issued under this subsection may bear the image of a living former or current President, or of any deceased former President during the 2-year period following the date of the death of that President.”
Archive article: archive.is/28sTn
Bessent Unveils Illegal Plan to Put Trump’s Face on U.S. Coins
Heads it’s Trump, tails it’s... Trump!Farrah Tomazin (The Daily Beast)
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casini palestrinesi e la rogna del popolo quando puzza di niente o di tutto
La giornata d’oggi è andata tutto ok, per me, senza incidenti costosi… motivo per cui è proprio il momento perfetto per fare la democristiana — come al solito, ma pericolosamente più del solito; si prega di godere a riguardo — parlando circa la più attuale attualità che ha visto il più sventurato resto del nostro […]
Megachurch pastor and ex-Trump (spiritual) adviser pleads guilty to child sexual abuse
cross-posted from: sh.itjust.works/post/47246639
Cindy Clemishire, 55, the woman who publicly identified herself as the victim of Morris’s sexual abuse, was present in the courtroom as he pleaded guilty. In a prepared statement she told him: “There is no such thing as consent from a 12-year-old child. We were never in an ‘inappropriate relationship.’ I was not a ‘young lady’ but a child. You committed a crime against me.”A leaked transcript of a phone call revealed that in 2005 Morris tried to bribe Clemishire into silence, telling her to “put a price on it”.
He also became a spiritual adviser to Donald Trump. He joined the White House spiritual advisory committee during the first Trump presidency and was part of a campaign to mobilize evangelical voters for him in last year’s presidential campaign.
Trump also visited Gateway church in 2020 where he praised Morris and his senior team as “great people with a great reputation”.
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Oil prices could soar past $200 without Russia, but experts dismiss scenario
Oil prices could soar past $200 without Russia, but experts dismiss scenario
When negotiating new export contracts, Russian companies still retain a strong bargaining position - consumers actively compete for supply volumes, Dmitry Kasatkin notedTASS
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Running a command only when resuming from the hibernation part of suspend-then-hibernate?
In the interest of maximizing battery life, I've set up suspend-then-hibernate on my laptop. Using a discrete window manager, so I have a systemd unit that locks the screen when I close the lid. After an hour, it automatically goes into hibernation.
All is well, until I have to boot up from hibernation. I'm prompted to unlock LUKS, then I'm hit with a redundant lock screen once resumed. I've tried setting up systemd units referencing suspend-then-hibernate.target and hibernate.target, but I can't get it to kill the screen locker when resuming from hibernation only, so I don't have to type in my password twice. Is there any way to have systemd discriminate between the suspend and hibernate parts of suspend-then-hibernate?
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You don't want anything like what you're attempting.
1) Bypassing either password challenge for simplicity's sake is just defeating the purpose of having LUKS on the full disk anyway. Just encrypt your home of that's a problem for you and simplify things.
2) Killing your lock screen from the session manager is going to cause all kinds of problems, so that's not going to help. It's not JUST a plain old process to kill, it's the session manager. You kill it, and it's going to ask you again anyway, and likely destroy your existing session.
Instead, look into Clevis. Pair it with your TPM, and set it to handle the lower level LUKS challenge. Learn about it to understand the tradeoffs in security, but it's going to be more secure than what you're attempting.
This is for a SeaBIOS system without functional TPM.
Bypassing either password challenge for simplicity’s sake is just defeating the purpose of having LUKS on the full disk anyway. Just encrypt your home of that’s a problem for you and simplify things.
Could you explain this? I do not see how it would compromise the security model since the lock screen would be dismissed only after the LUKS password is entered. The screenlocker is only relevant when suspended to RAM as the LUKS key is no longer in RAM once hibernated.
Killing your lock screen from the session manager is going to cause all kinds of problems, so that’s not going to help. It’s not JUST a plain old process to kill, it’s the session manager. You kill it, and it’s going to ask you again anyway, and likely destroy your existing session.
I am using slock, which is separate from my session manager (startx in ~/.profile), and in my testing, I was able to kill it without issue.
If killing your lock screen unlocks the system, that signals there is actually little protection. Killing a lock screen should kill the session and log you out, or at least render the session unusable.
If you still want to go that route, you could wrap your hibernation process in a script or use a slightly more complex service setup to kill it once, by inspecting system/service state and enqueued systemctl operations, you determine hibernation is done (not pending)
I'm focusing on the lock screen as having one single job to do well: protect the session from any access not granted exclusively through the password.
You posit this as if the attacker and the killing of the lock screen were connected: the attacker can only kill if they already have malware, so "it doesn't matter". But the point is, if the lock screen won't relinquish access upon receiving the kill signal, even if the attacker had compromised this vector, or if there were some other cause behind the lock screen dying, crashing, whatever, access would not be granted in the first place. It stops at that layer.
Thinking in terms of "if they already can access the system, whatever" is different from thinking about security in depth/layers. So its not so much about the cause of the problem, but where you can contain it. This threat (a physical access attacker) is pretty extreme, but if we are going there, then yes, it's not unfeasible to think that they could leverage this weakness to go from a possibly limited shell access to a fully unlocked physical session where you could have unrestricted access to e.g. a browser or unlocked password manager or other in-memory information.
But the two things don't really need to be connected. The lock screen having a secondary way to allow access that does not require the password is a weakness in itself, that the attacker could exploit, but that should not have been there in the first place.
Look into man 8 systemd-suspend.service
Immediately before entering system suspend and/or hibernation systemd-suspend.service (and the other mentioned units, respectively) will run all executables in /usr/lib/systemd/system-sleep/ and pass two arguments to them. The first argument will be "pre", the second either "suspend", "hibernate", "hybrid-sleep", or "suspend-then-hibernate" depending on the chosen action.
t. fellow suspend-then-hibernate user.
Treasury Department Has Plans To Mint Dollar Coin Featuring Donald Trump's Likeness
Treasury Department Has Plans To Mint Dollar Coin Featuring Donald Trump's Likeness | Defector
The United States Department of the Treasury has developed, to the brink of production, a dollar coin that features the face and likeness of President Donald Trump, according to a source within the Treasury who spoke with Defector, and as first repor…defector.com
When your ISP pays you
Holy shit I love my internet service provider said no one ever!
Except, some people do love their ISPs. Across America more than 400 community-owned fiber networks, serving more than 700 communities, bring joy and satisfaction to their customers:
communitynets.org/content/comm…
Many of these are in blood-red states, the kind of places where it's impossible to find a readable copy of Atlas Shrugged because every page of every copy is stuck together. Nevertheless, these publicly owned networks are wildly popular with their subscribers. What's more, there'd be a ton more of them but for the brutal ministration of ALEC, the far-right, dark money policy shop that convinced multiple state governments to ban community broadband, even in places where there was no commercial broadband service:
actions.eko.org/a/att-alec-lob…
One of the great predictors of whether your town will get fast, affordable, future-proof fiber is its history. Many of today's municipal broadband co-ops are descended from rural telephone co-ops, and those telephone co-ops were birthed by the New Deal's rural electrification co-ops. This is the incredibly long shadow that good public spending casts – a century of successful provision of amenities that substantially improve the quality of life of whole regions.
Take Jackson and Owlsley Counties, rural Kentucky counties in Appalachia, some of America's poorest places. Starting in 2009, the local telephone company, the Peoples Rural Telephone Cooperative, started pulling fiber to every home in both counties. To get that fiber over rugged mountain passes, they pulled it on the back of a mule named "Ole Bub." Soon, every subscriber had access to symmetrical fiber broadband at speeds of up to 10gb/s, and the region found itself at the center of an economic revival:
web.archive.org/web/2019121005…
The Peoples Rural Telephone Cooperative was founded in 1953, as an extension of the town's electrification co-op, itself founded in the 1930s after the passage of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936 (the REA was amended in 1949, allowing electrification co-ops to secure low-cost loans for telephone rollouts).
You don't need to live in rural Appalachia to reap the benefit of publicly backed broadband co-ops. In Minnesota's Beltrami County (pop 46,288; density 18.6 people/square mile, median income $33,392/household), the local co-op Paul Bunyan Communications offers symmetrical fiber at speeds up to 10gb/s. But that's just table-stakes: Paul Bunyan doesn't just offer reasonably priced, reliable, screamingly fast broadband – it also pays its members whenever too much cash builds up in its bank account. Paul Bunyan just paid out $3.6 million in refunds to its subscribers:
ilsr.org/article/community-bro…
The payouts are pro-rated based on how much you spend on broadband. Customers who were due $150 or less got a credit on their next bill, while customers owed more than $150 got a check in the mail.
Nice, huh? It gets nicer: in 2018, Paul Bunyan paid back its subscribers $2.2 million; in 2022, they paid back $6.3 million, and last year they paid back $3 million. Paul Bunyan employs 160 people in the county, at fair wages, with good benefits. Every dollar Paul Bunyan makes literally stays in the community.
99% of the county has access to fiber from the co-op. Local business growth has outperformed statewide performance. A local aerospace company owner said that the co-op fiber made the difference between running a business with $300,000 in annual revenue and a business making $3,000,000 per year.
All of this is even cooler when you learn about the kind of internet service the rest of Minnesota has had to cope with. A 2019 Minnesota Commerce Department investigation found that Frontier, the state's leading ISP, had unbelievably badly maintained infrastructure. We're talking about high-capacity long-haul wires draped over shrubs and tree-branches:
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/20…
Minnesotans on Fiber's "free market" service suffered from frequent outages. They paid higher costs for their unreliable, slow DSL lines than Paul Bunyan customers in Beltrami County paid for fiber that was literally thousands of times faster than Frontier's. Unlike Paul Bunyan's cheerful, local customer service, Frontier's service numbers went to "cost-efficient" (busied-out, distant) call centers where you could wait for hours to speak to someone who would either "accidentally" drop your call or simply refuse to help you. Customers frequently lost access to 911 service, and often saw spurious, sky-high charges on their bills that no one would explain or erase.
Frontier "strongly disagreed" with the report. But when Frontier went bankrupt (a year later!), we got a look at its internal operations and discovered just how much contempt the company had for its customers:
eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/fron…
By Frontier's own calculations, it could have made an extra $10 billion by investing in fiber rollouts, but it chose not to make that money, because the stock analysts at institutional investment funds would punish any telco that committed to capital expenditures with long-term payouts. Since Frontier's execs were mostly paid in stock, they decided not to risk a drop in their personal net worth, and so they left ten billion on the table and millions of customers stuck on 19th century copper-line infrastructure – technology that dated back to Samuel Morse and the telegraph.
Frontier was especially interested in customers who had no alternatives – no cable or fixed wireless companies that could offer competition for Frontier's own terrible service. These customers were booked as an "asset" and their connections were earmarked for substandard maintenance and slow upgrades. The old Lily Tomlin gag goes, "We don't care, we don't have to, we're the phone company." But Frontier really cared about the customers who had no alternative – they cared about royally fucking those customers.
Ladies and gentlemen, behold the marvel that is the efficient free market!
Municipal fiber is a godsend. It's fast, cheap and reliable, and it is an engine for economic development. Of course, the Trump administration is running away from municipal fiber – indeed, from all fiber – as fast as it can, because every fiber installation competes with Elon Musk's satellite based internet service, Skylink:
pluralistic.net/2025/07/24/geo…
The thing is, satellite internet makes sense in a few places – temporary encampments, ships at sea – but it is vastly more expensive than fiber to install and maintain, and it is millions of times slower than fiber. Nor is this something you can fix by filling the sky with more collision-prone, astronomer-demoralizing minisats – no matter how many satellites there are over your head, they're all in the same universe and have to share its single, fixed electromagnetic spectrum. Meanwhile, if you want more broadband in your fiber network, you just pull another bundle of fiber (principle ingredient: sand) through your conduit and you add dozens of new universes' worth of electromagnetic spectra that are each isolated from one another.
Smart politicians aren't being sucked in by Musk's claim that he can billionaire his way out of the intractable laws of physics. They're pulling fiber, and lots of it. In Utah, the aptly named UTOPIA network is serving publicly owned fiber to 21 cities, and private businesses can offer service over that public system, which means that Utahans have their choice of 18 carriers:
pluralistic.net/2024/05/16/sym…
Moreover, these are symmetrical connections, meaning that they are as fast for sending data as they are for receiving it:
pluralistic.net/2021/07/03/bea…
To put this in Information Superhighway terms from the 1990s, a symmetrical broadband connection is necessary for you to be a "netizen," while an asymmetrical connection that beams lots of data to you but isn't capable of letting you talk back is what makes you a "mouse potato."
It's grimly hilarious that the right has done so much damage to public fiber rollouts, given their oft-repeated grievances about being "shadowbanned" by dominant services. With symmetrical fiber, every crank could run their own server – a 4chan in every garage. And if that fiber is provided by the government, then your ISP will be bound by the First Amendment, and legally prohibited from discriminating against customers based on their political speech (something that commercial providers can do to their heart's content):
pluralistic.net/2021/01/17/tur…
The New Deal was a mere blip in the American project, but a century later, America's poorest, worst-served people are still reaping its benefits, with far faster, cheaper connections than you can get from the big telcos that have sewn up New York City and Los Angeles. And in some of those places, the public ISP doesn't just shower their subscribers with fast data – they shower them with millions of dollars.
Frontier letting its phone network fall apart, state investigation finds
State: Frontier has refused to issue refunds despite frequent, lengthy outages.Jon Brodkin (Ars Technica)
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Top Trump Aides Push for Ousting Maduro From Power in Venezuela
The push by top aides to President Trump to remove Nicolás Maduro as the leader of Venezuela has intensified in recent days, with administration officials discussing a broad campaign that would escalate military pressure to try to force him out, U.S. officials say.
It is being led by Marco Rubio, the secretary of state and national security adviser. Mr. Rubio argues that Mr. Maduro is an illegitimate leader who oversees the export of drugs to the United States, which he says poses an “imminent threat.”
An opposition movement whose figures have met with U.S. officials says it is communicating with Washington on plans to dismantle Nicolás Maduro’s “criminal structure.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/us/politics/maduro-venezuela-trump-rubio.html
Top Trump Aides Push for Ousting Maduro From Power in Venezuela
The push by top aides to President Trump to remove Nicolás Maduro as the leader of Venezuela has intensified in recent days, with administration officials discussing a broad campaign that would escalate military pressure to try to force him out, U.S. officials say.
It is being led by Marco Rubio, the secretary of state and national security adviser. Mr. Rubio argues that Mr. Maduro is an illegitimate leader who oversees the export of drugs to the United States, which he says poses an “imminent threat.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/us/politics/maduro-venezuela-trump-rubio.html
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