Could federated social media networks enhance cooperative behavior between everyone, relative to both insular and massively popular services?
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[Derek] When Watts dug deeper, he realized that the network structure did matter. In the more clustered networks, people were more likely
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to copy each other. So if by chance someone started out cooperating, then everyone would cooperate.
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But it was equally likely that someone would start out by defecting, in which case everyone else would defect.
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And over all the games they played, these two effects canceled each other out, which is why it seemed like
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the network structure didn't matter. - [Duncan] It's sort of on a knife edge, right? Where like one person does something selfish
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and everything goes south. In another world, everybody kind of holds it together
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and everything goes well. It's crazy that the world could be like on a knife edge like that, you know,
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could tip one way or the other, kind of just depends on how someone gets out of bed that day.
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But then Watts realized something. See, in real life, you can choose who you hang out with.
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So he reran the experiment allowing players to change who they were playing with. And this time he used the prisoner's dilemma
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so that players could easily identify the defectors. - [Derek] And the finding was clear, the more you allowed players
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Could federated social media networks enhance cooperative behavior between everyone, relative to both insular and massively popular services?
[Derek] When Watts dug deeper, he realized that the network structure did matter. In the more clustered networks, people were more likely
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to copy each other. So if by chance someone started out cooperating, then everyone would cooperate.
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But it was equally likely that someone would start out by defecting, in which case everyone else would defect.
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And over all the games they played, these two effects canceled each other out, which is why it seemed like
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the network structure didn't matter. - [Duncan] It's sort of on a knife edge, right? Where like one person does something selfish
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and everything goes south. In another world, everybody kind of holds it together
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and everything goes well. It's crazy that the world could be like on a knife edge like that, you know,
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could tip one way or the other, kind of just depends on how someone gets out of bed that day.
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But then Watts realized something. See, in real life, you can choose who you hang out with.
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So he reran the experiment allowing players to change who they were playing with. And this time he used the prisoner's dilemma
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so that players could easily identify the defectors. - [Derek] And the finding was clear, the more you allowed players
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to choose who they were playing with, the more likely they were to cooperate
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General strike against 13-hour day brings Greece to a halt
General strike against 13-hour work day brings Greece to a halt
Transport systems, hospitals and schools hit, as workers say laws kill hopes of work-life balanceHelena Smith (The Guardian)
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France investigates Russia-linked oil tanker suspected of launching drones
French military detain two after boarding Russia-linked oil tanker suspected of launching drones
Tanker, named on list of ‘shadow fleet’ vessels, may have been launchpad for drones that closed Denmark airportsDan Sabbagh (The Guardian)
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Afghans rejoice as internet returns after Taliban blackout
Afghans rejoice as internet returns after Taliban blackout
A 48-hour shutdown imposed by the Taliban government hit firms, flights and risked further isolating women.Dearbail Jordan (BBC News)
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South African firebrand MP Malema convicted of firing a gun in public
Julius Malema: South African firebrand MP convicted of firing a gun in public
Julius Malema, known for his incendiary rhetoric, was recently convicted of hate speech.Khanyisile Ngcobo (BBC News)
Terminal promiser Elon Musk says he'll make a great AI game in 2026
Known promiser Elon Musk says he'll make a great AI game in 2026
The innovator known for his impressive Thai cave rescue ideas and galaxy brain Elden Ring builds is intent on revolutionizing video games, he saysPatricia Hernandez (Polygon.com)
The 'peace deal' proposed is so bad on nearly every level and theyre only given 4 days to response and they've been threatened if they dont accept.
"Hamas would be forced to disarm and turn over power to a group of apolitical technocrats, supervised by an international body led by Trump and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair."
Yeah just want people want controlling them, right wing technocrats..
Ukraine conflict fuels ‘gold rush’ for Western weapons makers – NYT
Ukraine conflict fuels ‘gold rush’ for Western weapons makers – NYT
EU military startups are reportedly turning the country into a warfare testing lab in the race to arm KievRT
La cupa leggenda di Abashiri, carcere costruito sui gelidi confini del Giappone settentrionale - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
La cupa leggenda di Abashiri, carcere costruito sui gelidi confini del Giappone settentrionale - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Con il repentino ingresso del Giappone nell’epoca moderna, successivamente all’apertura forzata dalle navi nere del Commodoro Perry a partire dal 1853 e la conseguente serie di sconvolgimenti sociali, amministrativi e culturali che portarono alla cad…Jacopo (Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri)
While a drone defense system is of course a mandatory requirement of modern warfare, the real solution is to ramp-up Ukraine's ability to strike russia.
Additoanly the EU really needs to implement their own hybrid warfare methods against the russians.
For the first part at least. Though I must say I disagree that conducting hybrid “little green men” warfare outside of Ukraine is a good idea.
Chinese woman convicted after 'world's biggest' bitcoin seizure
Chinese woman convicted in UK after 'world's biggest' bitcoin seizure
UK police seized crypto worth over £5bn from Zhimin Qian, who was known as 'the goddess of wealth'.Osmond Chia (BBC News)
the significant rise in cryptocurrency values means there are more than sufficient funds available to repay their losses
Wtf. So they don't get the Bitcoin, but only the value it had 7 years ago?! That is not repaying losses...
Thunberg Confirms Abuse by Israeli Abductors, But Urges World to Focus on Gaza Genocide | Common Dreams
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/37180089
Brett Wilkins
Oct 06, 2025
"This genocide and other genocides are being enabled and fueled by our own governments, our institutions, our media, and companies. It is our responsibility to end that complicity... to use our privileges, our platforms, to take a stance against this, that is in every way unjustifiable,” Thunberg asserted.“I will never, ever comprehend how humans can be so evil that you would deliberately starve millions of people living trapped under an illegal siege as a continuation of decades and decades of suffocating oppression, apartheid, occupation,” she added.
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Denmark: New drone sightings over military infrastructure
New drone sightings were reported over Denmark's largest military base overnight, Danish security authorities said on Saturday.
Broadcaster DR cited the armed forces as saying unidentified drones were seen near military installations.
Denmark: New drone sightings over military infrastructure
Danish security authorities said drones were seen over the country's biggest military base overnight.Rana Taha (Deutsche Welle)
But it doesn't seem likely.
Germany news: Far-right AfD loses mayoral runoffs in NRW
Germany news: Far-right AfD loses mayoral runoffs in NRW
Chancellor Friedrich Merz's Christian Democrats emerged victorious in local elections in western Germany. Meanwhile, the German foreign minister is to visit Poland as tensions grow over Russia's aggression. DW has more.Timothy Jones (Deutsche Welle)
Yeah "unproven" except for a decade of international research. And there's nothing generic about it.
theconversation.com/i-investig…
"Uniformly happy and rich country like the US" ok lmao you're straight trolling with this one, good job.
"If the propaganda supports Trump, why didn't it support Hillary" because she's not fueling right-wing extremism. No one cares about Hillary Clinton or your outdated Windows, jeez. Hope you get well soon.
I investigated millions of tweets from the Kremlin’s ‘troll factory’ and discovered classic propaganda techniques reimagined for the social media age
Tailored messaging, repeated exposure, and false grassroots campaigns are classic propaganda techniques, now used widely by state-back trolls.The Conversation
China sentences 11 members of mafia family to death
China sentences 11 members of Ming mafia family to death
They were one of four families who turned a Myanmar town into a hub for gambling, drugs and scam centres.Jonathan Head (BBC News)
'State of calamity' as earthquake kills 69 in Philippines province
At least 69 people have been killed and dozens injured after a powerful 6.9 magnitude earthquake struck the central Philippines late on Tuesday.
The province of Cebu, which suffered the brunt of the damage, declared a state of calamity early on Wednesday, after thousands spent the night on the streets amid repeated aftershocks.
One Cebu resident told the BBC he was among them, adding that power and water supplies were cut off. He says the voices of crying children could be heard around him, adding that they were "traumatised".
'State of calamity' as earthquake kills 69 in Philippines province
The earthquake comes barely more than a week after the country was hit by back-to-back typhoons.Virma Simonette (BBC News)
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Orcas sink tourist yacht off Portugal’s coast in latest attack
Orcas sink tourist yacht off Portugal’s coast in latest attack
Five people were rescued following the incident near Fonte da Telha beachNatalie Wilson (The Independent)
Caribbean nations launch EU-style deal to let citizens work freely across borders
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This is the way.
I'm noticing pretty much all issues with trade are issues with the management. They want to restrict and interfere with as many steps as possible so they can skim just a little bit 🤏 more off the top every time.
25 Ottobre: Linux Day Milano
Linux Day Milano
Manifestazione italiana dedicata a GNU/Linux, al software libero, alla cultura aperta e alla condivisione.linuxdaymilano.org
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Spurious Correlations
Spurious Correlations
Correlation is not causation: thousands of charts of real data showing actual correlations between ridiculous variables.www.tylervigen.com
In New York, Belarusian Foreign Minister Maxim Ryzhenkov announced the deployment of Russian tactical nuclear weapons and Oreshnik missiles in the republic.
Speaking at a UN meeting on September 26 dedicated to the International Day for the Elimination of Nuclear Weapons, he noted that the world is once again facing a nuclear threat.: The Doomsday Clock shows less than one and a half minutes to midnight.
According to the minister, Western countries have violated previous security agreements and are arming themselves, ignoring the interests of Belarus. In response, the republic has deployed Russian nuclear weapons and is awaiting the arrival of the Oreshnik to ensure protection.
Ryzhenkov stressed that the measures are defensive in nature and comply with international law.
Google says adblockers caused YouTube views count to drop - this is what adblockers told us really happened
Google says adblockers caused YouTube views count to drop - this is what adblockers told us really happened
Adblockers claim that hidden filter rules are the major culpritEfosa Udinmwen (TechRadar)
ok i am so sorry i didn't comment right comment policeman are you going to give me a ticket
get a life
Israel to close last remaining route from southern Gaza to the north as it continues offensive on Gaza City – Middle East crisis live
The Israeli military said it will close on Wednesday the last remaining route for residents of southern Gaza to access the north, as it presses its offensive on Gaza City.
The military’s Arabic-language spokesperson Avichay Adraee said on X:
"Al-Rashid Street will be closed to traffic from the southern sector area at 12:00 (0900 GMT). Movement southward will be allowed for those who were unable to evacuate Gaza City. At this stage, the [Israeli military] permits free movement southward without inspection."
In figures reported less than two weeks ago, the UN said that more than a quarter of a million people had been displaced from Gaza City in the previous month. Tens of thousands more have been forced to flee makeshift homes and shelters daily in the face of a new Israeli offensive, it added.
Middle East crisis: Israeli minister says ‘last opportunity’ for Gaza City residents to flee – as it happened
Israeli offensive intensifies amid reports Hamas will seek amendments to Trump’s Gaza planAmy Sedghi (The Guardian)
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Israel has zero interest in ending this war until every Palestinian is emigrated or dead. October 7th gave them every excuse they need for this genocide and annexation. Embarrassing that any world leaders are talking peace when they know damned well what's going on.
The West either allows this to continue or bombs Tel Aviv into glass and ruble. There is no magical "in between" state where this levels out to an ante bellum status quo.
Network Rail mistakenly fells topiary in Surrey during repairs
Network Rail mistakenly fells topiary in Surrey during repairs
Network Rail apologised and says removing the memorial was a "genuine mistake".Cash Murphy (BBC News)
Did I read that article correctly that they accidentally did it on purpose?
Claims it was cut down in error, then a few paragraphs later talks about how it was removed because it was obstructing train drivers view of signal signs.
The error was that people made a stink about it.
As in "If we had known people cared about a man murdered by his work place, we wouldnt have cut it down"
They intentionally cut down a bush.
They accidentally cut down an important bush.
Taliban internet blackout has created an extreme scenario in Afghanistan with far-reaching consequences
Taliban internet blackout has created an extreme scenario in Afghanistan with far-reaching consequences
The Taliban government has rejected reports of a nationwide internet ban, saying old fibre optic cables are worn out and are being replaced.Cordelia Lynch (Sky News)
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Flights have been grounded
I didn't even think about that. They cannot turn the clock back, even in their own country. And what do they wish to accomplish anyhow? This is ultimately pointless and only bound to bring even more chaos and poverty. Personally I just hope they will get some sort of Nuremberg Trial in the end. Cruel perverts.
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Taiwan pressured to move 50% of chip production to US or lose protection
Taiwan pressured to move 50% of chip production to US or lose protection
Trump official plots “impossible” deal moving Taiwan’s chip supply chain into US.Ashley Belanger (Ars Technica)
Trump again floats Canada joining the U.S. as the 51st state
cross-posted from: lemmy.ca/post/52563091
Not going to happen.
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Yeah we shouldn't lie to ourselves. There's just no way we can match the US's military power in a conventional war, and the geography makes our cities, farmland and resources easily accessible to their forces.
But the guerrila warfare is what would get them leaving. It's just a question of being patient, like the Talibans were.
Elon Musk and Prince Andrew named in new Epstein files
Billionaire Elon Musk and Prince Andrew are named in new files released by Congressional Democrats that relate to the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
The files turned over to the House Oversight Committee by the Jeffrey Epstein Estate appear to show that Musk had been invited to the financier's island in December 2014.
Separately, a manifest for a flight from New Jersey to Florida in May 2000 names the Duke of York among the passengers.
Elon Musk and Prince Andrew named in new Epstein files
The documents by the estate of convicted paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein were released by Congressional Democrats.Jaroslav Lukiv (BBC News)
They will genuinely attempt to explain it away with this reasoning. I'm calling it now. Once he saw the light and was blessed by the republican party it washed away this filthy democrat urge...
I hope I'm wrong, but I sadly think I'm not.
Trump returns to '51st state' rhetoric in speech to U.S. military officials
"Canada called me a couple of weeks ago, they want to be part of it, to which I said, 'Well, why don't you just join our country. You become 51 — become the 51st state — and you get it for free,'" Trump told the assembled officials.
"So, I don't know if that made a big impact, but it does make a lot of sense."
Trump also claimed Canada is having "a hard time up there" because "as you know, with tariffs, everyone's coming into our country." The president then boasted about investment leaving Canada and other countries and going into the United States, pointing to automobile plants.
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How Would a New BRICS Currency Affect the US Dollar?
The BRICS nations, originally composed of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, have had many discussions about establishing a new reserve currency backed by a basket of their respective currencies.Melissa Pistilli (Investing News Network (INN))
UN security council approves new military force to fight Haiti gangs
UN security council approves new military force to fight Haiti gangs
Unit will have up to 5,500 soldiers and police officers who will tackle the violence that has overwhelmed the countryGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
Glad to see some cooperation among nations to help people from different countries.
Nobody is any-less human because of where they live.
It's not the first intervention in Haiti.
The reason that both a lot of Haitians and a lot of countries didn't want another international intervention was because the prior ones tended to wind up with everyone unhappy and complaining about the situation. The most recent one was UN aid after the earthquake. The UN force that was sent included some soldiers out of some country that had cholera, which started a cholera outbreak, which wound up with angry Haitians calling for reparations and countries who felt unappreciated for what they were doing.
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Looks like it was some soldiers from Nepal.
Italian navy to stop assisting Gaza flotilla despite fears of Israeli attack
Italy said it will stop accompanying the international flotilla trying to deliver aid to Gaza, despite concerns by activists that the fleet will be attacked within the coming hours. Italy and Spain deployed navy vessels to assist the boats after they were hit by drones armed with stun grenades last week.
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What a brave effort. How can the people be so brave while their governments are such cowards?
This is Israel vs Palaistine locally, but rich vs poor on an even larger scale.
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while their governments are such cowards?
It's worse than that; they're fascists. It took a fucking general strike in Italy to get them to deploy the naval forces to begin with, and their Mussolini fangirl prime minister called them off again as soon as she could bullshit an excuse.
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Fuck Meloni. She is a craven coward, and she's an asshole that needs to get MOVED OUT.
She should try being Palestinian. Let her see how bad it is and face the harsh consequences.
Europe's top central banker says economy holding up better than expected in face of Trump tariffs
FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) — Europe’s economy is holding up better than expected in the face of U.S. President Donald Trump’s new tariffs - in part because the European Union didn’t retaliate with self-defeating tariffs of its own, the head of the European Central Bank said Tuesday.
Christine Lagarde said the impact of Trump’s trade war on growth and inflation in the 20 countries that use the euro currency had also been softened by a stronger euro and by conclusion of a trade deal with Trump. The deal capped tariffs at 15% and took away uncertainty that threatened to delay or disrupt business investment.
https://apnews.com/article/ecb-lagarde-trump-tariffs-trade-b005c0c99547b6f3d08f4f6fa71d3cd2
Zelensky confirms Israel sent Patriot missile battery to Ukraine, says more coming in fall
Zelensky confirms Israel sent Patriot missile battery to Ukraine, says more coming in
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed for the first time that Israel delivered Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv, adding two more batteries will arrive in the fall after months of speculation and denialsReuters (ynetglobal)
Talk about a poisoned gift...
Nobody wants gifts from Israel, but Ukraine desperately needs the hardware.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't...
As a finn, I very much want "gifts" from Israel. Their air defence systems are amazing, and they have very nice looking defence capabilities against drones. Which seems to be a growing risk from Russia.
I hope nobody is surprised to hear that I value the people of Finland over the people of palestine.
Honestly I’d rather Ukraine have them than Israel. Am I supposed to be mad that they’ve micro-disarmed by doing this? Fuck no that’s a bit less firepower in Israel’s hands
Keep going! We love your charity Israel, give it ALL to Ukraine! 🥴
No, but I didn’t delude myself into thinking it matters either, and now somehow because Ukraine has weapons that Israel didn’t use in their genocide they’ve got cooties or something.
People in here like “Now Ukraine is guilty by association! Tainted morals! Blood on their hands!” - it doesn’t matter.
Now, what’s fucked up, who does have blood on their hands, is the United Ststes who are obviously going to resupply Israel.
But that doesn’t make Ukraine guilty.
Central Philippines hit by powerful 6.9-magnitude earthquake, dozens killed
A 6.9-magnitude earthquake struck the central Philippines late Tuesday, killing dozens of people at a sports arena and raising fears of major damage, officials said. The quake hit around 10 pm local time at a shallow depth near Palompon, close to Bogo city in Cebu province, the US Geological Survey reported.
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Taiwan becomes worldʼs largest importer of Russian naphtha, sending 1.7 bn in tax revenue to Putinʼs war chest
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privately owned company — increased its reliance on Russian naphtha from 9% before the
full-scale invasion to 90% in the first half of 2025, and has been responsible for importing 96% of
Taiwan’s total imports. "
They say naphtha is
an essential feedstock for the petrochemicals
used in Taiwanʼs semiconductor and electronic component manufacturing
but where in the manufacturing process is it used?
A DDG search turned up a naphtha cracking plant in Taiwan that was converted in the construction of a new plant, and a bunch of hits for renewable naphtha methods, but no mention of how it's used or why it's needed.
FBI boss Kash Patel gave New Zealand officials 3D-printed guns illegal to possess under local laws
WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — On a visit to New Zealand, FBI Director Kash Patel gave the country’s police and spy bosses gifts of inoperable pistols that were illegal to possess under local gun laws and had to be destroyed, New Zealand law enforcement agencies told The Associated Press.The plastic 3D-printed replica pistols formed part of display stands Patel presented to at least four senior New Zealand security officials in July. Patel, the most senior Trump administration official to visit the country so far, was in Wellington to open the FBI’s first standalone office in New Zealand.
Pistols are tightly restricted weapons under New Zealand law and possessing one requires an additional permit beyond a regular gun license. Law enforcement agencies didn’t specify whether the officials who met with Patel held such permits, but they couldn’t have legally kept the gifts if they didn’t.
It wasn’t clear what permissions Patel had sought to bring the weapons into the country. A spokesperson for Patel told the AP Tuesday that the FBI would not comment.
US FBI Director Kash Patel visits New Zealand, immediately provides local officials with 3d printed, potentially operable firearms...
... which is a crime, that could carry up to a 3 year prison/jail sentence in NZ...
... and would also potentially be somewhere between a misdemeanor and a felony depending on where you are in the US, as 3d printed firearms are generally without serial numbers and are thus 'ghost guns', which are often illegal if unregistered, if not outright banned, though this differs from state to state and city to city.
(Oh also, I guess he is so concerned about properly investigating the death of Charlie Kirk that he is uh, personally looking for leads in New Zealand, or something.)
https://apnews.com/article/kash-patel-guns-new-zealand-fbi-d5747377f957d61645d47324bfaa1114
Uhm... yes. Yeah.
I am also kind of confused by this.
The FBI has like... sub offices, attachés to consulates/embassies... but uh... thats for coordinating with local law enforcement and I guess handling US expats.
Yeah I don't know what the fuck Patel is doing here, unless he is kind of just publically admitting that all those other FBI sub offices and attachés just routinely handle Five Eyes / Nine Eyes / However many fucking Eyes type shit.
Which is, I mean, yeah, duh, but also, you're not supposed to just say that outloud, Patel.
You're supposed to be investigating the globalist deep state panopticon world controllers, not fucking building a new branch office for them...
Oh my god his brain must be the size of a walnut, he isn't even good at what he is trying to be good at, holy shit.
I'm almost inclined to believe that he just wants an excuse to holiday in NZ. Because if it's for spying... Good grief. Have they bungled it up badly.
...I mean, OPSEC IS CLEAN!
The FBI is who you call when you want to investigate (and prosecute) international gangs/drug cartels (which is why he was there in the first place)
The CIA is who you call when you want a country's leader shot with a shard of frozen pufferfish poison.
I mean, the CIA has frequently, with documentation, illegally operated on US soil... often by facilitating international gangs and drug cartels...
But yes, the ice gun with puffer fish poison is also a thing too lol.
Anyway uh, the article says:
News of Patel’s visit caused ripples in New Zealand at the time because the opening of the new FBI office in Wellington wasn’t divulged to news outlets or the public until it had already happened. An FBI statement in July said the move aligned New Zealand with FBI missions in other Five Eyes intelligence-sharing nations, which also include the United States, Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom.The office would provide a local mission for FBI staff who have operated with oversight from Canberra, Australia, since 2017, the statement said.
Where are you getting that Patel was there for intl. drug gang investigation?
Where are you getting that Patel was there for intl. drug gang investigation
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New Zealand ministers who met Patel, the highest-ranking Trump administration official to visit New Zealand, quietly dismissed his claims.A government statement on Thursday emphasised joint efforts against crimes such as online child exploitation and drug smuggling, with no mention of China.
"When we were talking, we never raised that issue," Foreign Minister Winston said Thursday.
Patel said what he said because he is a fucking moron. If Patel lied, he is a moron for creating diplomatic problems for an ally. if Patel didn't lie, he just brought a whole lot of unnecessary attention to a spy base in NZ.
FBI opens first office in New Zealand, sparking backlash in China
US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth said in June that China posed an imminent threat and urged Indo-Pacific countries to increase military spending to 5% of GDP.Gavin Blackburn (Euronews.com)
Ah, ok, I'd only seen the AP article.
Welp.
Yeah, yep, Patel is indeed a gigantic fucking bug eyed idiot, that tracks.
Unless somehow the NZ government is somehow now a state of the US
As a new zealander it sure fuckin feels like that sometimes
Eleven people arrested for placing pigs’ heads near French mosques and other hate crimes
Eleven arrested for placing pigs’ heads near French mosques and other hate crimes
Serbian nationals also accused by Serbian police of defacing Jewish sites, as French officials investigate foreign interferenceAshifa Kassam (The Guardian)
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Lol.
I actually side with the accused on this one.
French Muslims need to band together to make sure the culture that led to the Charlie Hebdo attacks and other beheadings doesn't continue.
Until that happens, they deserve to have pigs' heads outside of their mosques. Fuck'em.
Oh, and fuck religion in general. I'm just being nice by saying they should reign in their killers as a bare minimum.
And the way to do this is by putting pig heads in front of their mosques?
Yeah, buddy, that'll do it.
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It's literally worse than nothing.
"How do we make people less extreme and more open to our culture? Oh, I know! We harass and insult them! That's sure to make them want to join us!"
Nah, fuck that. I hate religion more than most, but this isn't how you create change. You change things by making them feel accepted and a part of the culture. French isn't a thing that came from nothing. It's a conglomeration of all cultures of the people before who joined as one into a fairly cohesive group. This is true everywhere.
Muslims aren't better or worse than these groups (in fact, they're part of it already). However, anyone who thinks they are worse is worse than them. You want them to be accepting of your culture, and you can't accept any of theirs? Yeah, fuck you. Maybe you're the extremist who doesn't deserve to be accepted.
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We Said “We Will Block Everything” and We Did: Inside Italy’s Strike for Gaza
We Said “We Will Block Everything” and We Did: Inside Italy’s Strike for Gaza | Truthout
Following a 24-hour general strike on September 22, the country is now gearing up for more national protests.Negin Owliaei (Truthout)
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in reply to MynameisAllen • • •Greece is one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. They don't respect driving laws. They openly throw trash in the streets. They smoke right in front of "Please don't smoke here" signs. The Greek politicians are completely corrupt. But these Greek politicians didn't fall from a sky. They are a reflection of Greek society.
Why do I say this ? Because my country faces similar issues.
Some cultures are just fucked.
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in reply to Severus_Snape • • •For pedantry's sake, these aren't examples of corruption. In order for it to be "corruption," there has to be someone in a position of power who is misusing their power.
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Swiss-American multinational pharmaceutical corporation
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in reply to Øπ3ŕ • • •Mate, I've lived and worked in several countries in Europe and come from a country - Portugal - which in many ways is culturally very similar to Greece, at least judging by conversations I had with Greek friends and colleagues over the years.
In my experience and view, Politics in general, including government, are definitelly the result of what a society considers "normal" and this doesn't apply to just the Southern European countries but also in my own experience to Western and Northern European ones.
Strictly speaking and as you say they are not the same, it's more of one being a reflection of the other: what politicians get away with reflects society's idea of "normal" and things like the cultural view on how strictly people should follow rules: in a country where the idea that "following rules is for suckers" is widespread, Politicians too will not tend to "stay within the rules" with the powers they've been entrusted with.
So for example, Corruption is Portugal is IMHO the natural reflection of a culture where Cronyism is widespread and pretty much standard all over the place (and, if you think about it, the Moral distance from "trading favours with paying strangers using the power entrusted to you" to "trading favours with friends using the power entrusted to you" is a lot less than the Moral distance to "thinking one has the responsability to not abuse power entrusted to oneself for one's own gain directly or indirectly") and the Law is seen as indicative rather than a set of boundaries that shouldn't be crossed (except when it comes to violence).
Interestingly and paradoxically, when things do start to change, acceptance of Corruption falls and and the fight against Corruption improves, the Perception of Corruption goes up because there are many more people being caught and convicted for Corruption and that ends up in the News, so it looks like there is more Corruption than before due to more News about it, when it's actually the opposite.
scarabic
in reply to davad • • •arendjr
in reply to davad • • •That’s not just pedantry, that’s unnecessarily narrow-minded. Ever heard of the corrupted heart? According to your definition, that’s an impossibility, unless the heart belongs to someone in authority, or something, I guess.
The point is, there is more than a single interpretation of things, and there is not a singular definition of corruption. Anyone can be corrupted, and giving examples that show that lawlessness permeates every level of society is a great way of showing that corruption is likely endemic in the culture.
scarabic
in reply to Severus_Snape • • •survirtual
in reply to MynameisAllen • • •Once "the people" seize the means of production, how will it be run & organized? We might need some people to coordinate between other people. What will these coordinators be called? And what if they abuse their positions? We might need some people that keep coordinators accountable, that audit their behavior, we can call them auditors....
If you aren't getting where I am going with this, I will just say that while your sentiment might make sense to you, this is a real problem for you to think about. Seizing the means of production is meaningless without a mechanism by which to run it. As soon as you trust other human beings with that ability, you create another class with authority, and thus, the road leads back to exactly where you are.
AI will not fix this because it is centralized compute trained on oppressive data. Perhaps if the data centers were publicly owned and the data was vetted, there would be a better chance, but more likely? It would be AI with human oversight....and yes, same problem again. If a human oversight committee exists, that is once again a human authority position that can be abused. And it doesn't matter because the planet has foolishly relinquished control of compute power to a tiny minority.
While I believe we are slated for doom (that isn't so bad, there are much better realities than this one anyway), I'd at least like to see a tiny fraction of intelligent resistance. This has got to be the most disappointing apocalypse I've ever witnessed. All the tools are clearly laid out and we've collectively chosen to be miserable instead.
Stop repeating the pattern. Find a new way.
Signtist
in reply to survirtual • • •I was with you for the first half, but then you went off the rails. Anyone who seriously brings up AI in the discussion for what to do after the revolution is completely deluded. You act like it's a viable strategy with some issues, but really it'd be immediately worse than even Trump. Day 1 it'd hallucinate a war and try to release nukes around the world. As for the "better realities," we only get 1 planet and 1 reality. To try to bury your head in the sand with some dream that an alternate reality version of us is doing okay is nothing but a cop out. Maybe another version of our planet is doing well, but we're responsible for this one - it's our duty to protect it.
Yes, when we overthrow the government, we'll need to enact a new government to replace it, and yes, eventually that government will become corrupt and need overthrowing, too. When there exists a position of authority over others, evil people will inevitably worm their way in, but nevertheless, authority is necessary to have a functioning society. Governments are like clothes - you have to change them out every once in a while, ideally before they start to reek of filth.
survirtual
in reply to Signtist • • •Did you read what I said about AI? I don't think so, given your response. To simplify, as I skipped some steps, I was addressing some people who've thought about the problem slightly more than an iota. Some think AI systems that govern over humans could help address the human corruptibility / hierarchy problem. It does not.
There are an infinite set of realities. You can see them for yourself, but something tells me you'll continue onward in your lovely little cage.
Have a nice 3-dimensional day 😀
doingthestuff
in reply to Severus_Snape • • •ripcord
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in reply to doingthestuff • • •Buffalox
in reply to Severus_Snape • • •So people were not allowed to work 13 hours in 1 day up until now?
The rule we have here (Denmark) is that we must have 11 hour rest period between 2 shifts.
The normal work week is 37.5 hours, but if you want you can work 13 hours per day, since that gives you 11 hours rest.
We have some of the highest wages in Europe, possibly in part because of flexible regulation, mostly negotiated directly between unions and employers.
Denmark is also one of the easiest countries to fire people in EU, but we have one of the lowest unemployment rates.
The fact that it's easy to fire, also makes it easy to make a decision to try to expand or start new projects. If it goes wrong, damage control can be relatively swift, and not break the company if it fails.
Hoimo
in reply to Buffalox • • •Buffalox
in reply to Hoimo • • •I know in USA it's normal to not be paid for overtime, but USA is not a civilized country, I thought Greece was.
Maybe people need to unionize more.
jimjam5
in reply to Buffalox • • •As a full time working US citizen this made me chuckle. It’s like a fairytale hearing about the kinds of protections and guarantees people in other countries get.
Buffalox
in reply to jimjam5 • • •It's really sad, because things were going really well, as in the right direction 50 years ago. And ironically MAGA is pulling even more in the opposite direction, pulling even further away from everything that was good about America in the 70's.
jaykrown
in reply to Severus_Snape • • •A 13 hour work day, what the fuck? You would no time for anything else.
Assuming a 1 hour commute time:
7am leave for work
8am start work
9pm leave work
10pm get home
9 hours until you have to leave for work again, ~7 hours needed for sleep, only 2 hours to do anything else.
I also just learned the word "roughshod", interesting.
winkerjadams
in reply to jaykrown • • •TBi
in reply to winkerjadams • • •1 hour should be enough for all that. Roll on 14 hour workday! 7 days a week.
Otherwise you’re just lazy.
/s
Evotech
in reply to winkerjadams • • •Honytawk
in reply to Evotech • • •Those are part of the chores.
Good way to limit population growth though, maybe too good.
mPony
in reply to Evotech • • •actually it's usually money that forbids you having kids.
so, yes.
TheThrillOfTime
in reply to Severus_Snape • • •vane
in reply to Severus_Snape • • •They can thank IMF and government.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece_a…
Greece and the International Monetary Fund - Wikipedia
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)sadfitzy
in reply to Severus_Snape • • •Some rulers really are getting too big for their britches.
The french know what to do about that.
And apparently, so do the Nepalese.
Hupf
in reply to Severus_Snape • • •28-Hour Day
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