Thursday's incident came as the community observed Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar
Police said they had shot a man suspected in a stabbing and car-ramming that injured four people at a synagogue Thursday in the northern English city of Manchester on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.
Greater Manchester Police said in a series of posts on X that a major incident was declared after a member of the public reported that they had "witnessed a car being driven toward members of the public" and that one "man had been stabbed" near the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue in Crumpsall, an area known for its large Jewish community.
Police declared a terrorist incident after two people were killed and three others were seriously injured when a man rammed a car into a crowd and stabbed people at an Orthodox synagogue.
I'm going to need to know the synagogues position on Zionism and genocide before I deign to give a shit.
And for the downvotes that are about to come, I know how awful that is. I feel gross even saying it.
But, it just shows you how effective the Israelis have been with their multi-billion dollar propaganda and lobbying efforts to conflate Zionism and Judaism.
They got me, now they are the same to me, until proven otherwise, and on a case-by-case basis.
Do you think this attack will help end the genocide? Or help the flotilla? Or help Palestine Action? It won't, adventurism doesn't work.
Synagogue attacks directly benefit Israel. It makes Jews afraid to live outside of Israel and encourages them to become settlers, it's used by Zionist-aligned governments to crack down on all opposition to Israel, and it creates martyrs when people get killed.
Once again, I never said that I supported violence, or endorsed this attack.
Because yes, I agree that this will result in a counterproductive backlash to my own desire to see the end of the genocide in Gaza.
But because of that genocide, and Israel's 's full-throated efforts to remove any separation between Zionism and Judaism, I find myself with a lack of emotional energy available to care about the in-group perpetrating that genocide.
That is very different from celebrating this attack.
I am very aware of how this will be leveraged to attack the people and groups who are opposed to genocide.
I was very specific about who my apathy was for.
Additionally, after a mod removed my first post, I revise and resubmitted it. This time doing a cursory glance at the the people who run that synagogue.
To the surprise of no one, they're pro-genocide, anti-Palestinian self-determination, and outspoken Zionist political activists.
And for 26th time, I am anti-violence and do not condone, support, or sanctify this attack. Furthermore, their beliefs do not justify violence, and if one's goals are to end the genocide, this type of violence makes that harder.
So far we don't have any information on the attacker's motive. Right-wing antisemitism is more commonly violent and isn't going to be impacted by a change of leadership in Israel.
Which is not necessarily related to this crime. Antisemitism is not a unified ideology where decreasing the prevalence of one form will impact the safety of Jewish people from another.
Mods removed my comment for saying I don't have the emotional energy left to care about attacks on pro-genocide groups.
Not that I supported killing them, or that I endorsed this attack, but that it's hard for me expend emotional energy caring about an in-group actively engaged in a genocide.
I also went out of my way to explain how Israel's role in conflating Judaism with Zionism is a key reason why I feel that way.
And let me be clear: this attack was wrong and it is 100% counterproductive to bringing an end to the genocide.
I do not support or condone this violence, but I will not be guilted into having a different emotional response just because others find it more acceptable
And while I strongly feel that my own background should have no bearing on the conversation, I will point out that I was raised in a Jewish Zionist household. So please don't tell me how I'm a self-hating Jew, anti-semitic, or otherwise racially prejudiced against myself.
With all of that out of the way, let's take a closer look at the target of this attack:
He has previously held a number of rabbinic and educational positions in Israel and the UK.
Rabbi Walker was educated at Manchester Jewish Grammar School and went on to study in yeshivas in the USA and Israel, where he received his ordination in 2003.
As an organisation, we are appalled by the motion passed by Labour delegates on the Middle East conflict. To agree to the text without referencing the atrocities committed by Hamas on 7th October 2023 when 1,200 innocent people were murdered or the fact they continue to hold 48 hostages means they have no credibility to comment on what is an extremely complex issue.
The fact a more moderate motion that did reference these key facts was defeated highlights how many seem unmotivated to work towards a peaceful solution to the conflict. The text is not binding and we will continue holding conversations with key stakeholders within government to advocate against taking divisive and deeply problematic positions.
During our time at Conference we have held a number of meetings with Ministers, MPs and the press focusing on our concerns around the record levels of antisemitic hate crime across society. We also reiterated our strong opposition to the unilateral recognition of Palestine, supported the Government’s position on proscribing Palestine Action, highlighted concerns around antisemitism in cultural spaces including the need to cancel events by those who incite hatred whilst emphasising the importance of holding the Iranian regime to account by enforcing snapback sanctions.
This is an Orthodox Zionist organization helmed by an yeshiva educated conservatives. They are explicitly against Palestinian self-determination and who don't express an ounce of sympathy or concern for the Palestinians being slaughtered.
For a final time, this attack was wrong. Violence is wrong. This should not be supported, celebrated, or sanctified.
But please don't censor people who are expressing valid feelings about how they emotionally process attacks against organizations of unashamedly racial supremacists, who are actively part of the in group currently perpetrating a genocide.
This is also relevant discussion to this topic because it speaks to a larger issue facing the Jewish community and public sentiment and opinions that are only getting worse, whether they express themselves through inexcusable violence like today, or by people having tragically apathetic emotional responses to violence.
For all I know a bunch of users reported my comment and a mod removed it accidentally because they're overworked or tired.
I'm not trying to denigrate the work they do, just highlighting a small issue that I personally had.
And to be fair, my original comment was less articulate and more to the point, so perhaps the fault was mine for not providing the proper disclaimers about my positions regarding the rejection of violence. I thought I had, but I can accept that others may have interpreted it in ways that I did not intend.
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Officials say 59 people, mostly young male students, remain trapped in collapsed school in Sidoarjo amid growing questions about the quality of its construction
The evacuation of the total 580 hikers who were stuck on Mount Everest's east side in Tibet is complete and the people have been taken to safety, reports the state Chinese media according to BBC.
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Russian leader Vladimir Putin has signed a decree for the 2025 autumn military draft, running from October 1 to December 31, according to a decree posted on the official Russian government legal portal on September 29.
The call-up will target 135,000 Russian citizens aged 18 to 30.
Vice Admiral Vladimir Tsimlyansky, deputy head of Russia’s Main Organizational and Mobilization Directorate, said draftees will serve only within Russia and will not participate in Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Previously, it was reported Russia is considering a major overhaul of its conscription system that would allow for continuous draft procedures year-round, as the country grapples with unprecedented military losses in Ukraine, according to the proposed legislative changes, introduced by the head of the Russian Parliament’s Defense Committee.
Last 1 MILLION, that's how much ruzies lost already (as casualties not deaths). Thats at least 5 times of what US lost during Vietnam war. Insanity and ruzi peasants sitting on their palms all subservient.
Austria's proposal to unfreeze €2bn of Russian assets has caused worry on creating a bad precedent, with Hungary and Slovakia also threatening to delay new EU sanctions.
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Leaked emails from former Israeli UN Ambassador Ron Prosor show David Frum, Douglas Murray offering to write his speeches and a CNN producer fundraising for Israel’s Iron Dome during Israel’s 2014 war
The document states that in the event of the external power lines to the plant being disconnected from Ukraine “a procedure for voltage transmission … from the unified power system of Russia” had “been developed”.
Considering that it's easier to find water on Mars than in Donetsk right now, and Pushilin's explanation as to why there's no water and sewage there was "Ukraine didn't repair the pipes" - I wouldn't really count on Russian infrastructural development to save the day, especially if that's not a propaganda project like Kerch bridge.
But he is extraordinarily smart. No doubt about it.
He called himself the Chief Engineer at Space X. In fact, he doesn't know shit about engineering. He has no engineering degree. He just hires young engineers, make them work like dogs, and constantly takes credit for anything they achieve. Once they burnout, he kicks them out and replaces them.
He uses his celebrity to attract more young engineers. He actually has an entire team that visits engineering schools and tells young graduates "You have the ability to work for a genius and go to Mars. Wanna join Elon ?". Again, he knows nothing about engineering. He has a financial degree from the Wharton School of Finance.
Elon Musk presents himself as the founder of Tesla. Tesla was actually created by Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard. He simply invested in their company, fired them both, and sued them both. Then, he called himself the original founder of the company.
In exchange of a confidential legal settlement ($$$), Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard must agree to stay silent. A lie repeated 50 times, 100 times, 1000 times, becomes reality. So, many outlets now call Musk the founder of Tesla. Perception shapes reality.
One of the reason he bought X is to shape the algorithm. He has urged millions of dumb people to buy Tesla stocks. And it's working. Dumb people regularly see random accounts on their X feed praising Elon Musk as a genius. And these dumb people actually believe it.
The same way, dumb americans on X constantly saw random accounts attacking Kamala Harris during the 2024 election campaign. At no point did they find it actually suspicious ("Why am I seeing this content ?"). And it played a key role in the election of Donald Trump.
Before the election, Musk was asked how much money DOGE might save. “We can do at least two trillion” he said. At the end of the day, he didn't save shit. But he successfully fired every regulator that was investigating SpaceX or Tesla. That was his real goal.
Reuters and the New York Times published two very good investigations about how Musk knowingly sold defective cars:
Look at his actual tangible successes and tell me how that could happen in a vacuum. Why no other person in history (at least recent history) has achieved these things.
He is a lying piece of shit. But I'm definitely not saying he is dumb.
I actually wrote "he is extraordinarily smart."
He is very good at hiring smart engineers and making them work like dogs.
He tells them BS about how sleeping at work will save the world and save humanity. He hires smart people then takes credit for whatever they produce.
A lot of these engineers are technically good but they have zero life experience. Musk love young people like this. It's exactly the kind of people he hired at DOGE.
Then what's needed is to organize smart engineers. This doesn't need anyone like Musk. It can happen in a nationalized company connected to state-funded universities; tends to be easier to do when you don't have a whole political party dedicated to sabotaging any attempt at this and then claiming it can't work. All Musk does is extract value from the process for himself, and then make sure that political party stays at the top.
Half a trillion in equity is so unfathomable in my reality.
$500,000,000,000
Let’s say I ask him for 0.001% of his wealth… I would get $5,000,000.
Now let’s put this into perspective of my reality. If I had $1000 and someone asked me for the same 0.001% of my wealth, I would be handing over $0.01.
One cent.
I understand that this wouldn’t be sustainable if I give everyone one cent from my pot of a thousand… but still. Have a trillion dollars makes me sick.
Sure, I think their point was just that this is different than cash. If you start selling a bunch of stock to buy things, this would impact the value of your remaining stock negatively. How negatively is pretty hard to predict, but I imagine trying to liquidate that would net far less than half a trillion.
SpaceX lifts more raw tonnage into orbit than all other agencies and private organizations combined iirc, and directly controls an ever-increasing proportion of US government space-based assets, to say nothing of Starlink. Tesla, while sales have dropped, has not really seen a corresponding sustained drop in stock price (where most of his corresponding net worth from Tesla is actually located) in the meantime, though we will see if that can be sustained long term (I, for one, hope it falls off a goddamn cliff). As for your other point, Twitter (now X) and Grok by extension are, frankly, not a major factor in his worth, when assessed next to those other factors.
It is not about product sales or healthy conditions for employees or customer value. It's about using property to get more property. And about financial speculation.
He could literally be a legend who is remembered forever for his philanthropy, but he chose to buy a president and fuck up a whole ass country with his techbros.
I hate people who say that online, but this time it's me: this would need to be much bigger news. Much much bigger. But compared to genocide and Trump destroying his country it doesn't even blip I guess.
KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 2 — Malaysia has to be realistic in navigating the current global economic landscape, given its position as a highly open economy with strong ties to both the...
The exact nature of the goods remains unclear. The ministry's response lists eight categories, including rockets, torpedoes, warships and naval equipment. But as the exports are not classified as weapons of war and the total value is relatively small, the shipments likely involve accessories or equipment.
I wouldn't call sending rockets and warships as "no weapons" just because the government says they're not.
And what rocket or torpedo would you get for 2.5 million? Deliberately using singular here, because that's about 5 IRIS-Ts or 2 Taurus missiles, which seems like a very unlikely order. Even more so when considering that the government went on record claiming that's not the case. Would you lie for such a tiny order?
If they did a delivery like that every week, I'd be suspicious
That's just it, I don't know. And the government is being deliberately vague instead of just saying what they are shipping to Israel, or sending auxiliary weapons that are still being used in direct combat.
I pulled that quote because I want to emphasize that it is not as transparent as your original comment is making it seem.
It is a “game-changer for Russia”, said one former Ukrainian official. With Kyiv also contending with slower deliveries of air defence interceptors from the US, the missile campaign has destroyed key military facilities and critical infrastructure ahead of winter.
Ukraine’s air force on Wednesday reported all four Iskander-M missiles fired overnight had eluded the country’s defences and hit their targets.
Israeli navy is moving to block a flotilla carrying aid toward Gaza. Activists onboard are demanding humanitarian access, calling the blockade illegal. Reports say the ships are being shadowed as they approach. Situation is still developing.
Is it just me, or are these ships pretty slow? There were around 100 nauts out this morning, so I've been following the story live all day, and now it's bedtime and they're still not there.
Besides being mostly sail boats and old yachts they can't sail at night because Israel has been drone attacking them at night; particularly trying to firebomb their sails.
Is it? Has this been confirmed? I see lots of western media claiming Russia but don’t see any objective evidence.
Edit: it’s quite surprising how even on Lemmy, how easy it is to push an unquestioned narrative. Not just me, but anyone even questioning from mainstream narrative gets downvoted to oblivion.
That's the point. They typically hire some useful idiot, either locally or in a neighbouring country. And after they've done their little act, they move back to another territory. But the Russians are never directly involved.
I would not be surprised to learn that Russia has plenty of sleeper agents with drones just waiting for a call from their handler to take it out and disrupt air traffic, or distract the security services while another operation takes place.
For Iran’s leadership, the West’s intransigence had given Israel the green light for another attack. But Pezeshkian noted that Iranian society was stronger following the 12-day war last June. “The last attack brought unity,” he insisted. “Iranians opposed regime change even if they disagreed with the revolution. Even people who criticize us, those people supported our military.”
Pointing to Israel’s brazen assault inside Qatar this September, where it tried and failed to assassinate the entire Hamas negotiating team, Pezeshkian predicted, “Cohesion will increase across the region because our neighbors recognize that nobody is safe now.”
During Israel’s assault on Iran, the president narrowly escaped an attempt on his life. “There are plans that if they take me out” when Israel attacks again, “we have prepared five to six steps down the line.
Despite incessant aggression from the Israeli occupation navy, 30 boats of the flotilla are still sailing strong, now just 46 nautical miles from Gaza.
I've been posting pictures here and there at the same time, but only the pictures I feel really confident with have ever actually been posted here. That's because my Pixelfed has my fans and they generally say positive stuff about my work, but...
you all are the general public, and good goddamn that's terrifying.
Reports coming in that the U.S. federal government has officially entered shutdown. Which services get hit first? How long does this drag out? Who blinks?
Saw a post with 14 replies, and almost all of them were you ragging on OP and OP apologizing. Not a fan. If you think they're a bot, just report it. What you're doing is more annoying than the cross-posting.
I agree, it will - it's blatantly breaking rule #1, but seeing all the comments gave the impression that there was a discussion happening. More of my time was wasted coming in here and seeing this than would have been if you weren't hashing it out with OP, and now you and I are just making the situation worse for anyone who comes afterwards.
“Houses burned. Neighbours killed. Hope vanishing.” With those stark words, General Assembly President Annalena Baerbock opened a high-level UN conference on Tuesday, as alarm rises over the impact of Myanmar’s deepening crisis which threatens to des…
It's almost as if "humanity" is a romanticised concept peddled by Hollywood and humans are actually just cancerous scum, with exceptions proving the rule.
The rush to blame video games for all the world’s ills is, of course, nothing new. While some of the more novel examples of this blame-game include current Speaker of the House Mike Johnson’s claim that video games are the reason the Medicaid is abused (yes, seriously), this nonsense is more commonly trotted out whenever violence is committed, typically for mass shootings. It’s irresponsible and not based on anything remotely resembling scientific data and it should stop.
The rush to blame video games for all the world’s ills is, of course, nothing new. While some of the more novel examples of this blame-game include current Speaker of the House Mike Johnson…
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Ukraine’s president says Kremlin checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies following new drone sightings
Vladimir Putin will expand his war in Ukraine by attacking another European country, Volodymyr Zelenskyy has predicted, and accused Russia of recent drone incursions that he said were an attempt to test Nato’s defences.
Speaking in Kyiv after his meeting with Donald Trump at the UN in New York, the Ukrainian president said Russia was preparing for a bigger conflict. “Putin will not wait to finish his war in Ukraine. He will open up some other direction. Nobody knows where. He wants that,” he said.
Ukraine’s president said the Kremlin was deliberately checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies, after drone sightings in Denmark, Poland and Romania and the violation of Estonian airspace by Russian fighter jets. More drones were spotted on Friday night above a Danish military base, and over a Norwegian base on Saturday.
Mass shooters don't care that they're going to die, so long as they butcher as many lives as they can: competitive nihilism.
Negative-sum game ( as opposed to competitive-narcissism, zero-sum game, or win-win-alliance/positive-sum game ).
Some "mass shooters" fire bullets at individual-lives, others fire legislations at entire-populations through legislative-authority.
The scale's different, but the "nobody is going to be alive after me: I'm the greatest & the last word" motivation is the same, between the 2 kinds.
Accelerationism is another variant of the same thing.
It is incompetent to presume that all others in the world are playing zero-sum game, just because moneyarchy pretends that that is the ONLY mode there is: that is just our cultural-brainwashing.
Negative-sum players, like Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, etc, are real, & are committed to making ABSOLUTELY certain that there's nobody significant after them: only butchery & carrion will remain, same as normal individual-scale mass-shooters, just through different means, is all..
( I believe that Hamas's unconscious strategy was to get Netanyahu to genocide the Palestinians, to "martyr" them, so that the total Islamic region would see Israel's psychopathic-sadism, & lose their being deterred by Israel's threat-of-violence, to the point that they simply wouldn't care anymore, how much Israel did, they'd have no choice but to annihilate it.
I believe that not only did Israel take the bait, but their shamelessness in attacking other countries, their impervious narcissism, is enforcing that the inevitable backlash happen.. possibly late this year, now.. .. much quicker than I'd been believing ( I'd thought it would be 3-ish more years, before the backlash annihilated Israel, .. but with Netanyahu willing to strike in any neighbouring-country, .. he moved the script up drastically ).
In the same week, perhaps a month ago, I read an Israeli Jew's article about how approximately 45% of the Palestinians they surveyed, wanted Israeli Jews exterminated.. but of course he never asked about Israeli Jews wanting the extermination of Palestinians..
& IN THE SAME WEEK, I'd come across an article by a Palestinian about how approximately 45% ( -/+2% or 3%, for both articles, btw: it was functionally identical ) of the Israeli Jews they surveyed, wanted Palestinians exterminated, but of course he never asked about his own people wanting the extermination of the Israeli Jews..
IOW, things are progressing from the considered-reasoning side of the spectrum to the only-prejudice-does-any-deciding side of the spectrum, exactly as prejudice wants. )
Putin's got less & less to lose, as he gets older, right?
Taking out more of the world & dying a little early, .. is looking better & better to him?
It was the nonfiction books of CIA-spook "John Braddock", btw, which identified that to understand the context's strategy one HAS TO understand which of the 3 categories-of-game that the players are playing, if you want to dig into that trilogy.
Aweful writing-style ( trance-induction-pushing can go eat rocks, in his books, & in "Ten Types of Human", too ), but important points.
IF you've got a competitive-nihilist running your country, THEN there are inevitable consequences of that.
IF the entire world has been willing to accommodate that competitive-nihilism & competitive-narcissism RULE THE WHOLE DAMN PLANET, then we aren't viable, species-wide, & this century may well be terminal for humankind.
The Great Filter, & no matter how many naive-idiots pretend "we already survived it!", until humankind has become coherent, AND has changed-in-nature to be coherently-proactive ( and that isn't a guaranteed-to-happen change ), then we haven't won yet.
I believe that no more than 1..1.5% of humankind will survive this century, IF humankind wins.
However, if the competitive-nihilists win .. then this world's future is complete silence/extinguishment of humankind.
As a ninja pointed out, in his book "Kenjutsu": all kenjutsu presumes that the opponent will immediately block your strikes, but if they don't care whether they survive, then your strike to get them to divert their strike .. won't divert their strike,
& then you both die.
If they don't care if they die, then all your training-reflexes are now wrong-game instincts.
Humankind's instincts are completely wrong-game, for dealing with the mechanisms & paradigms & people that humankind has allowed to rule the world.
The specific individual-players are not the problem: they are only the symptom.
Humankind allowed the wrong GAMES to rule the world, & is sooo entrenched in the cultural-brainwashing that it'll fight-to-the-death to protect its own anti-survival "function".
Yes, Putin is succeeding.
Not at gaining Russia anything, but at costing everybody-except-Putin as much as he can.
There's a Republican senator that's already put in a bill to get the US out of NATO, & Trump wants NATO gutted, so that's only a matter of time.. & the EU that won't obey Trump is going to be rampaged-on by Putin when Trump's rampaging-on Canada ( which is why he wants Greenland: Alaska, mainland US, Greenland, navy & airforce, & he can destroy Canada's independence MUCH quicker, than if we can still trade with the EU ).
Putin & Trump are both playing negative-sum games, same as mass-shooters are.
Only an insane person would accept Russian influence and occupation.
Where is even that thought coming from? Like, explain to me in proper arguments why everybody makes it their national sport to bash against Russia. I mean, yeah, they have a lot of problems, but so does every other country, more or less.
I have relatives who lived in the former DDR (East Germany). I travelled there and to Poland shortly after the wall fell. To sum it up, FUCK RUSSIA. They did absolutely nothing, but wreck the Warsaw Pact countries.
Easy for me to say, they should have kept rolling and forced the Israelis to get violent. I'm American, with a few reasons to fear these our fascists, made my choice. If it comes to it, I fight. Neither my government nor Israel has shown any quarter, no reason not to die with our boots on.
It's much more effective to do what they did than to intentionally instigate an attack. Don't give Israel any leeway to say "Well we were justified because..."
No, no they do not. They are cowards, only acting strong when they hugely outnumber everyone around them. But they don't outnumber us. They only do, if you sit in your house and tell people to do the same thing.
Then start assembling your army and go invade Israel.
No? Right. The flotilla didn't have the ability to muscle past the Israeli military; grassroots endeavours never will. The only way to win is to continue drawing attention to how awful they are until the people with real firepower do something.
If that never happens, then the fascists in charge of Israel win. It sucks, but talking tough on the internet won't change it. The Communists didn't prevent the Nazis rise to power by brawling with them in the street either.
This can have a massive impact on European politics, especially in Italy and especially if the response from the Italian dockworkers totally fucks up the operations of Italian ports for a couple of weeks.
Also I'm curious about the reaction in Spain given that the frigate they sent did fuck all.
I agree mostly, in this case, because they have the media attention. If they didn't then they aren't protected by everyone watching, and also going down fighting would bring attention to the situation, which is beneficial.
Would be even funnier if they sent out a ship loaded with bombs in international waters and then detonate it when the Zionists put their nose where it doesn't belong.
Tell me you've never been on a sailing yacht on the open seas deciding whether you're going to try and ram your way through some navy ships without telling me you've never been on a sailing yacht on the open seas deciding whether you're going to try and ram your way through some navy ships
Legality. Israel can't arrest someone in international waters. They can kidnap someone in international waters. But an arrest implies they have any legality to it. They do not. They're the ones committing a crime not her.
It's like saying the bank robber arrested their hostages.
Legality is a fiction created by the powerful. I’m saying the word arrest is a synonym for kidnapping. It’s only existence is to mislead people into accepting the violence of our rules against ordinary people.
This is a perfect example. The kidnapping of Greta is blatantly illegal. Yet the world will pretend otherwise. And not because of the law but because of power.
While most legal systems are far from ideal, a lot of people appreciate having some semblance of law and order.
An arrest is made when someone is believed to have committed a crime. A kidnapping is the unlawful capturing of an individual.
Enforcers of the legal system (police, ICE, and other 3 letter agencies) carry out both legal arrests and unlawful kidnappings, the latter of which is what's being discussed here.
The fact that "the world will pretend otherwise" is exactly why it is so important to emphasise the difference between the 2 words.
Nah it’s why we need to challenge this idea that violence done by the state is automatically legitimate. Such as by critiquing the words we’ve created to separate things that clearly aren’t very different in reality.
The use of specific vocabulary is important in how media normalizes the actions of "the powerful".
What you're saying is similar to how "died" could be a synonym for "killed". This was used constantly during the genocide. Israelis were "killed" or "slaughtered" on October 7th. Soldiers in tanks were "kidnapped" that day. But every day in Gaza children just "died". Like the news articles were describing some natural disaster event and not a genocide. The people spending decades in Israeli prisons camps with no trial were "prisoners" exchanged for "hostages".
Words matter. Especially when media is forming a narrative. Yes, legality is "fiction" but that doesn't mean the majority of the Western world doesn't believe that fiction. The entire idea of a justice system is "made up" it's power comes from the collective belief in that system and the use of "justified" violence it maintains a monopoly on. You may not believe it. But most people in the west still do.
It is important to call out the inconsistent and unfair use of the vocabulary the media uses to describe Israels actions. If we stop labeling their crimes because "it doesn't matter anymore, clearly no justice exists" but at the same time that language is still used to describe anyone's resistance to Israel then they have won the narrative.
I’m not saying don’t call it out. I wish more people would. But I’d like to go further to eliminate this type of propaganda as even an option whenever possible. Some words are too linguistically useful to eliminate but some things like kidnapped vs arrested are literally the same action just different context. There’s no need to ever use the word arrest and its elimination or undermining would weaken abusive authorities and their ability to spin the narrative in ways people don’t question.
Yeah. We just fundamentally disagree then. These words are not interchangeable. I would not say a pedophile was "kidnapped" by the state. The context matters. There is a difference between materialism and dialectical-materialism. You seem to be removing the tool of dialectics and saying only the material action is what matters. The way words are used to shape material actions (or lack thereof) and concent matters.
I mean you can think it’s good for people to be abducted under some circumstances. Maybe you are right, maybe not, but at least then you’d have to justify it. “Arrested” already means justified in most people’s minds. It’s a thought-terminating cliche, and as long as we make that distinction, it will be abused as in this case.
Using less savory words like kidnapping or abduction more accurately relays the severity and violence that’s happening. And yes, violence is sometimes necessary, but it’s still unsavory.
Abduction implies someone secretly being taken away and kept at an unknown location, their fate unknown and probably someone trying to ransom them to their family.
Here we have pictures of the IDF taking her, we know exactly where they're taking her and what's going to happen. They're not going to physically harm her, going to give her an inconsequential slap on the wrist, and put her on a plane back home.
It's ok to feel that's wrong, but trying to make it seem more horrible by using words invented for something else just seems petty.
the state kidnapping a pedophile and puting them in prison.
vs.
a pedophile kidnapping a child and putting them in their basement
are different beyond just the material action of forcefully taking someone against their will. There is context that matters. So we use different words to describe the different contextual relationships. This example is a clear difference. I really hope we don't have to debate that. It's why I'm using it as an example. So we can remove the moral ambiguity and agree to this distinction.
There are obviously less extreme examples of this. That is the why understanding how language is used is important. In reality we say "the child was kidnapped" and "the pedophile was arrested". It is vocabulary that describes the relationships of morality that we as a society assume to uphold.
By your reasoning they "are both acts of violence and taking someone against their will and imprisoning them". I get that mate. But the world you want to live in where we describe both these actions as "kidnapping" does not exist.
Like, in what reality is your opinion even useful to reality? We don't live in a world where language is used the way you want it to be. You need to understand the world you live in and the way language is used.
Understanding how and why the media uses words like "arrest" vs. "kidnap" to infer a false justification is significantly more helpful than saying "well we should simplify language". Human language isn't a programming language. It can't be. It needs to deal with significantly more ambiguity, emotions, and morals.
Like, how are you even trying to apply this type of reasoning to the world? It's useless for describing reality. Language isn't used the way you want it to. And it never will work that way. What you're trying to argue for isn't useful to describing reality.
Language is always subject to change and evolution. I can’t predict the future and neither can you. I think explaining that context verbally is less harmful than implying it with weasel words.
And even if my desired change doesn’t happen, I think it’s valuable to challenge the assumptions built into these words to make people think about them and the way they are used instead of just blindly accepting “the criminal was arrested”.
Weasel words? Kidnapped and arrested literally both have implied meanings related to innocence. What is a non weasel word for that to you? I feel like you're just arguing to argue at this point.
Legal systems are a necessity as long as there are people willing to do violence to others. Ideally, they'll constrain the use of violence on behalf of the collective to cases where it's the only way to stop violence being perpetrated by individuals: To arrest them.
Practically, any human creation will have flaws, and nearly all systems will be biased in favour of the powerful. That doesn't categorically make it useless for the people.
Arrest in international waters is actually legal during a naval blockade. If a ship has announced its intention to break a the naval blockade, continues to head for it, and doesn’t react to hails, then it’s legal. Look up maritime law on blockades.
Same as you can arrest a criminal just before committing a crime.
Wrong. Israels actions of blockade and starvation are illegal. Full stop. The law you're referring to does not apply to a nation in violation of these laws. Israel doesn't get to point to a law to protect them as they violate other international laws and genocide a population. You're just wrong. That's not how laws work. You can't just read one law and then say "welp, guess they can do this". They can't when the very blockade itself is illegal. The blockade itself has to be a legal blockade that does not starve a population of aid and committing acts of genocide.
Yup. But it's only been a few months since Trump started ruling like Kim Jung Un. I'm not ready to accept this as a new normal. How are we tolerating this?!
I suppose we're tolerating it one person at a time by simply being in shock and not doing anything at all. Just like I'm doing right now. Laying in bed shitposting all over the internet & making no effort to affect any changes.
This is how Hitler became a genocidal maniac in plain sight while everyone watched, brainwashed, speechless 😵💫
Oh phack! Again? Why can't they just let Gretta win? Its just a few truck loads of food. WTF. This world is just so evil. How can any god let any of this happen?
the IDF/benny cant have a PR campaign against him, her being so infamous internationally brings more attention to the matter. hes already in a tenous position, he wants to stay out of jail from his previous crimes.
I mean... They did, didn't they? It was never the goal to actually get there. The goal was obviously media attention (again) and we are now commenting under a news article...
Its just a few truck loads of food.
That's the point... Why let a few influencers enter a war zone with the risk of them getting killed when they could instead easily let a few trucks waiting in front of the boarder enter Gaza?
Gaza is under a siege designed to oppress and break the population so that they can't fight back, israel forces control everything that goes in and use it as a tool to displace people.
I am constantly surprised by how many people worshiping the thing haven't actually fucking read it. Or just heard some cherry picked platitudes from it in church.
The Epicurian Paradox. God claims to be omnipresent, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent. But the mere existence of evil overwhelmingly disproves this claim:
If god is able and willing to stop evil, but evil is able to hide from/fool god, god cannot be omnipresent.
If god is able to find all evil and willing to stop it, but unable to do so, god cannot be omnipotent.
If god is able to find evil and stop it, but unwilling to do so, god cannot be omnibenevolent.
In any of the three cases, if evil exists, god has been proven a liar in at least one of the three claims. Potentially two, or even all three. But at least one must be true if evil exists. And if at least one is true and god is a liar, why are we following him?
they did absolutely nothing, stopped following then when they reach the orange line, which is not gazan or Israeli territorial waters, but the heart of the Mediterranean where Israel likes to attack civilians.
For once, it doesn't have to be blackmail. The Zionists have Uncle Sam. Relations between the EU and the US are already not the strongest they've been. Risking the ire of a large power like that is not exactly smart diplomacy.
Would it have been the right thing to do? Absolutely.
Gaza aid flotilla in the title. Not Greta's flotilla. Her name is there because she's the most well known person there, probably and also because not everyone was arrested.
It says in the article
The Global Sumud Flotilla said most of its vessels were continuing their journey as of early Thursday morning, nearing the coast of the Gaza strip despite the interruptions.
Mind you, whilst you are totally right, The Guardian have long been "fucking Zionists" and even now that they toned down their overt support of the Genocide, still are "fucking Zionists" judging by their continued practices of framing both sides differently, such as how in their articles Israelis "are killed" whilst Palestinias merely "die".
I’m a Guardian reader and I would say in recent months they have taken a largely pro-Palestinian viewpoint. For example: theguardian.com/world/2025/oct…
Parts of Gaza are experiencing famine because of an Israeli blockade, while more than half a million people have been displaced south by bombing over the past six weeks. Israel insists there is no famine, contrary to the findings of most global aid bodies. Israel’s military campaign in Gaza has killed at least 66,200 Palestinians and wounded about 170,000, according to the Gaza health authority.
That doesn’t sound like Zionist propaganda to me, it sounds like an accurate tally of the suffering that Israel is causing.
Italian unions called a general strike for Friday in solidarity with the international aid flotilla for Gaza, while protests sprang up in a number of cities late on Wednesday after reports that the ships had been intercepted by military personnel. In the southern city of Naples, demonstrators got into the main railway station and halted train traffic, while police surrounded the Termini railway station in Rome after protesters gathered close to entrances.
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In the northwestern city of Genoa, the USB announced that it intended to block the port and called on all protesters to gather at 10 p.m. (2000 GMT) at one of the main entrances. Over the past two weeks, protesting Italian dockworkers have prevented various ships from docking and loading, targeting vessels they say were involved in trade with Israel.
They shot and killed a 19-year-old US citizen in international waters a decade or so ago, and the international community did this 🙈🙈🙈 because regional stability or some shit
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Considering how often Israel and bibi commit crimes without repercussions, I'm fearing for Greta. I mean, the USA doesn't even care when its own citizens die because of zionists - aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/18/h…
What, getting your cause in the news because you got arrested for supporting it, while also showing the wrongdoers doing wrongs, doesn't have a positive impact? Does getting in the news prevent a genocidal, journalist-killing regime from doing a little activist-unaliving on the side? Or is it that no one could possibly have motives less narcissistic and self-serving than our so-called "leaders"? What even are you saying?
Murder. You're allowed to say murder. This isn't YouTube or some other corporate entity that will silence and demonitize you for using the correct words to describe the violence committed by others.
Yes, murder in all cases. Not like I fully analyzed my word choice at the time, but I think I did have some intent behind calling it that so I'll see if I piece that back together: I think my overall stance was pretty well established at that point, so not risking confusion there. For "journalist-killing" vs "-murdering", my guess is that the former just rolled off the [mental] tongue better, and I would've been more concerned about ambiguous attribution, for which both are basically equal, than morality, so just went with that. I believe "unaliving" supported the more casual off-tone of that question ("doing a little ... on the side") as part of my facetious approach towards the other comment, using that discongruity with the subject matter to emphasize the absurdity I was alleging in the other comment. The frog might be completely unrecognizable at this point though, so YMMV, but yeah, the intent of that word choice wasn't to obscure the nature of that [potential] violence or avoid censorship or other automated tools, I do stand behind considering it kidnapping and murder.
If you're unable to explain something as basic as reading (and you clearly didn't bother practicing it either), I'm not sure if explanations are really the right thing for you, but I guess I'll try anyway: Even if those were her only motives (which I'd already have to stretch pretty far to accept), that would not refute the comment you replied to, nor would it support any other inferences one might make from your opposition. Thus, I questioned what meaning you had actually intended to contribute to the conversation, since I assumed that you were trying to communicate some coherent point and not just be a waste of space and energy. If this attempt at insulting me was all you could muster in response though, I don't have high hopes of every hearing that point, and I should probably rethink that assumption.
No doubt they'll do what they did last time and just force her to watch Oct 7th footage and go "...Are you... Are you convinced yet? Please be convinced... Please"
Idk what people here were expecting, but I thought it was obvious that countries like Italy and Spain only meant that they were going to protect the ships when they were in EU waters, specifically their respective national waters.
I'm not a big fan of theocratic countries myself, but if my choices for the state of the world tomorrow morning are two theocratic countries or one theocratic country next to a field of charred bones, I think I could pick the former pretty easily.
A two state solution is what was agreed with the UN. Although it is sort of stupid to assume that the hate from either side will die down anytime soon, there are workable solutions like not having a Palestine state be propped up by Hamas. A terrorist group that was propped up by Netanyahi and who alongside Israel eliminated people's ability to vote for new leadership, it's clear that Israel wanted to stoke hate and a boogeyman they could also easily defeat.
What are you confrontationally blabbing about? If you agree that most countries agrees to have a Palestinian state should be ruled by the PA and Israel and the USA refuse any state, then we have no disagreement.
How about you simply admit that what ticked you and other people downvoting my comment is the fact that I call out Hamas along with Israel? I realize there's a lot of opposition being promoted by pro-Hamas groups, but they really don't need to make it that obvious. Anyway, I'll let you get back at your next attempt to gaslight me.
Although I am surprised that you conceded to a two state solution. Now that there is consensus that Israel is performing genocide, there has been a change in the narrative towards a more of a "destroy Israel, our state is the rightful state" subtly, beginning by claiming that the two state solution is a Zionist lie along with the claim that a lot of people in Israel are discontented with Netanyahu, all to portray them as one great villain (sort of what Netanyahu and his far right buddiers are doing to Palestinians, too). Are you sure you've got the latest memo?
You are claiming that Hamas is the reason why there is no state, it is factually wrong. If you condemn hamas killing or attacking civilians , i eould havr no problem with that.
It is part of the reason there isn't. Most of it is due to Israel, but that's also why they propped up Hamas over the PA. Sorry not-sorry to have offended your pro-Hamas sensibilities.
It is part of the reason there isn't. Most of it is due to Israel, but that's also why they propped up Hamas over the PA
Everything is due to Israel because even if Hamas is destroyed they will refuse to end occupation. Netanyahu said it there will be no Palestinian state because the land is our.
If you was alive during Nat Turner revolt you would have talked about how Nat Turner was part of the reason why slavery existed for long time instead of saying the salve owner was the only one responsible for it. If you where alive during a bloody revolt from indigenous people against the settlers you would have talked about how indigenous people was part of the problem. You have no moral and should be ashamed of your BS
Sorry not-sorry to have offended your pro-Hamas sensibilities.
I am offended by hypocrites like you who give excuse to the occupier to continue the occupation.
The PA is the one who allows Palestinians to be attacked by the settler terrorists and continue to respect the oslo accords that israel is not respecting everyday
You can't refute everything i said so you rely on deflection. You think you are smart but everybody know all your BS. The only people i insult is people who defend genocide or the one who started the insults. At least i am not offended by people downvoting me unlike you
Netanyahu said there will never be a Palestinian state because the land is our so Israel is the only one who do not want peace
You aren't even responding rationally, or maybe I'm being too generous and you are just trying to continue to gaslight. Maybe you shouldn't get so passionate when you handle the language you are communicating in and its comprehension so poorly.
Is it in poor taste to observe that you certainly live up to your username?
I am rational. Israel believe the whole land belong to them so they will refuse a Palestinian state no matter what so just apply basic logic Israel who have all the power is the reason why there is no Palestinian state . Everybody understand what i am saying , it is always pro genocide that accuse me of that.
I am still waiting for counter argument but you don't so you just try to make the discussion about me
Got it so more gaslighting from Mr. Down. At this rate, you have to have a syndrome named after you.
Is this your strategy? Find anyone who criticizes Hamas and try to paint them as pro-Israel / pro-Hamas? Does it actually work in subs you don't control? You guys realize this isn't reddit, right?
More deflection. Prove me wrong. Netanyahu said there will never be a Palestinian state because the land is our. Explain how it is not 100% Israel fault that there is no Palestinian state
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Cool, blocking is the best thing you can do for me. It is a one side block so i can see your propaganda comments and reply to them without you knowing and deflecting
Oh, ew. The preservation of Palestine is about the preservation of people and culture that have every right to exist. Not religion first (which isn't wrong even if you are against it). This is a ghastly take.
Really? I wonder who Gazans and people from the west bank voted for in the last Israeli elections. Right, they're under the control of Israeli occupation but can't vote in the democracy, all millions of them. But you know, it's also the only country in the world that explicitly states that it's the country of all Jews in the world and not its citizens'. Remarkably democratic in fact, so democratic that it redefines democracy as ethno-supremacy.
They never had intention nor desire to have naval combat with Israel, they just wanted to send enough boats that it becomes more and more difficult for Israel to contain the press coverage and to create more international condemnation and pressure.
And it's working.
Whatever else everyone says, the plan is actually working. Not nearly fast enough for all of us to stop feeling daily physical illness for the countless lives being extinguished for no reason, but nothing politically ever happens fast enough. At least something is happening.
It's something but it's not enough. There needs to be an international coalition that imposes a no fly zone over Israel, and an embargo of their ports, and sends food aid to Gaza and military aid to the PLO
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LadyButterfly she/her
in reply to MicroWave • • •belastend
in reply to MicroWave • • •quackerjo
in reply to MicroWave • • •I'm going to need to know the synagogues position on Zionism and genocide before I deign to give a shit.
And for the downvotes that are about to come, I know how awful that is. I feel gross even saying it.
But, it just shows you how effective the Israelis have been with their multi-billion dollar propaganda and lobbying efforts to conflate Zionism and Judaism.
They got me, now they are the same to me, until proven otherwise, and on a case-by-case basis.
WhatAmLemmy
in reply to quackerjo • • •like this
AmidFuror likes this.
quackerjo
in reply to WhatAmLemmy • • •ThrowawayPermanente
in reply to quackerjo • • •quackerjo
in reply to ThrowawayPermanente • • •What the fuck..?
Dude, I am not celebrating this violence.
AmidFuror
in reply to quackerjo • • •queermunist she/her
in reply to quackerjo • • •Do you think this attack will help end the genocide? Or help the flotilla? Or help Palestine Action? It won't, adventurism doesn't work.
Synagogue attacks directly benefit Israel. It makes Jews afraid to live outside of Israel and encourages them to become settlers, it's used by Zionist-aligned governments to crack down on all opposition to Israel, and it creates martyrs when people get killed.
quackerjo
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •Once again, I never said that I supported violence, or endorsed this attack.
Because yes, I agree that this will result in a counterproductive backlash to my own desire to see the end of the genocide in Gaza.
But because of that genocide, and Israel's 's full-throated efforts to remove any separation between Zionism and Judaism, I find myself with a lack of
emotional energy available to care about the in-group perpetrating that genocide.
That is very different from celebrating this attack.
queermunist she/her
in reply to quackerjo • • •I didn't accuse you of celebrating this attack?
My concern is that you don't have the "emotional energy" to worry about how this is going to make everything worse.
quackerjo
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •I am very aware of how this will be leveraged to attack the people and groups who are opposed to genocide.
I was very specific about who my apathy was for.
Additionally, after a mod removed my first post, I revise and resubmitted it. This time doing a cursory glance at the the people who run that synagogue.
To the surprise of no one, they're pro-genocide, anti-Palestinian self-determination, and outspoken Zionist political activists.
And for 26th time, I am anti-violence and do not condone, support, or sanctify this attack. Furthermore, their beliefs do not justify violence, and if one's goals are to end the genocide, this type of violence makes that harder.
SoftestSapphic
in reply to MicroWave • • •Zaktor
in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •SoftestSapphic
in reply to Zaktor • • •Antisemitism has spiked globally as the Zionists have progressed their genocide.
There's a clear link.
Zaktor
in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •SoftestSapphic
in reply to Zaktor • • •Currently conflating antisemitism with antizionism is the only defense the Zionist party of Isreal has left to distract from their genicide.
So anyone continuing to push this narrative while trying to ignore the genocide is really suspicious IMO
As an Ashkenazi jew it makes me sick how my people are used as a political tool to protect genocidal fascist religious extremists.
quackerjo
in reply to MicroWave • • •Mods removed my comment for saying I don't have the emotional energy left to care about attacks on pro-genocide groups.
Not that I supported killing them, or that I endorsed this attack, but that it's hard for me expend emotional energy caring about an in-group actively engaged in a genocide.
I also went out of my way to explain how Israel's role in conflating Judaism with Zionism is a key reason why I feel that way.
And let me be clear: this attack was wrong and it is 100% counterproductive to bringing an end to the genocide.
I do not support or condone this violence, but I will not be guilted into having a different emotional response just because others find it more acceptable
And while I strongly feel that my own background should have no bearing on the conversation, I will point out that I was raised in a Jewish Zionist household. So please don't tell me how I'm a self-hating Jew, anti-semitic, or otherwise racially prejudiced against myself.
With all of that out of the way, let's take a closer look at the target of this attack:
Rabbi Daniel Walker serves as co-chair of the community and interfaith committees of the JRC and has been the Rabbi of the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation since 2008.
How does Rabbi Walkers JRC organization view the conflict? Would it shock to learn that oppose Palistinain self-determination, and do not consider the conflict to be a genocide?
This is an Orthodox Zionist organization helmed by an yeshiva educated conservatives. They are explicitly against Palestinian self-determination and who don't express an ounce of sympathy or concern for the Palestinians being slaughtered.
For a final time, this attack was wrong. Violence is wrong. This should not be supported, celebrated, or sanctified.
But please don't censor people who are expressing valid feelings about how they emotionally process attacks against organizations of unashamedly racial supremacists, who are actively part of the in group currently perpetrating a genocide.
This is also relevant discussion to this topic because it speaks to a larger issue facing the Jewish community and public sentiment and opinions that are only getting worse, whether they express themselves through inexcusable violence like today, or by people having tragically apathetic emotional responses to violence.
Rabbi Daniel Walker – Jewish Manchester
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in reply to quackerjo • • •Sorry you got censored.
In time, we'll have communities and instances that take moderation seriously and don't remove posts just because they feel like it.
quackerjo
in reply to sadfitzy • • •I can't speak to the motivations for its removal.
For all I know a bunch of users reported my comment and a mod removed it accidentally because they're overworked or tired.
I'm not trying to denigrate the work they do, just highlighting a small issue that I personally had.
And to be fair, my original comment was less articulate and more to the point, so perhaps the fault was mine for not providing the proper disclaimers about my positions regarding the rejection of violence. I thought I had, but I can accept that others may have interpreted it in ways that I did not intend.
sadfitzy
in reply to MicroWave • • •Interesting.
I wonder if anti-semitism is on the rise and what the Jewish community thinks they should do about it.
We might see more money getting spent in order to convince people that Zionists aren't getting away with genocide.