Salesforce CEO says National Guard should patrol San Francisco, stunning his own PR team
Salesforce CEO says National Guard should patrol San Francisco -- stunning his own PR team | TechCrunch
Though Benioff's shift mirrors Silicon Valley's broader accommodation of Trump, the exchange offered a rare glimpse of just how far that repositioning can go.Connie Loizos (TechCrunch)
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The War May Be Declared Over But Our Struggle Isn’t
Yesterday came the announcement of Trump’s 20 point proposal. People are saying the nightmare is finally over. We want to believe it. We hope this is the end. But is it really?
Tomorrow, we’ll try to return to our home. We don’t know if we’ll even be able to reach it. We don’t know if it’s still standing. We just pray it is.
After two years of surviving hell, we are exhausted physically, mentally, spiritually. These two years hold stories that will be told for decades.
To everyone who stood with us in any way, thank you. I say this on behalf of every man, woman, and child in Gaza.
I’m attaching photos I took throughout these years. They show only a fraction of what we endured. They will remain as a reminder of the hardship, of the sacrifices, of the ones we lost.
May our martyrs rest in peace. My beloved cousin Wade, my uncle Muin, you are not forgotten. We live carrying your memories.
And to everyone who amplified our voices, we will never forget you either.
Now a new chapter begins: rebuilding from zero. In fact, from below zero. So please don’t let any “agreement” make you think the suffering has ended.
Gaza still needs you. We still need you just as before.
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Il sistema di barriere sulla foce che conduce le speranze di Dublino verso il mare - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Il sistema di barriere sulla foce che conduce le speranze di Dublino verso il mare - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Città costiera che si affaccia sul Mare d’Irlanda, la capitale dell’Isola Verde avrebbe potuto costituire da molti punti di vista l’esempio di un porto perfetto.Jacopo (Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri)
Cair calls on Nobel Prize winner to renounce support for far-right, racist and fascist parties
An American civil rights group on Friday called on the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize winner to renounce her support for Zionism and fascism, including over her links to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s political party and right-wing groups in Europe.
Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Corina Machado was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (Cair) said that they “strongly disagree” with the Nobel Prize committee’s decision to award the prize to Maria Corina Machado, who they said “delivered remarks at a conference of European fascists, including Geert Wilders and Marie Le Pen, which openly called for a new Reconquista, referencing the ethnic cleansing of Spanish Muslims and Jews in the 1500s”.
Cair calls on Nobel Prize winner to renounce support for far-right, racist and fascist parties
An American civil rights group on Friday called on the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize winner to renounce her support for Zionism and fascism, including over her links to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s political party and right-wing groups in Eur…MEE staff (Middle East Eye)
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Cair calls on Nobel Prize winner to renounce support for far-right, racist and fascist parties
An American civil rights group on Friday called on the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize winner to renounce her support for Zionism and fascism, including over her links to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s political party and right-wing groups in Europe.
Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Corina Machado was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (Cair) said that they “strongly disagree” with the Nobel Prize committee’s decision to award the prize to Maria Corina Machado, who they said “delivered remarks at a conference of European fascists, including Geert Wilders and Marie Le Pen, which openly called for a new Reconquista, referencing the ethnic cleansing of Spanish Muslims and Jews in the 1500s”.
Cair calls on Nobel Prize winner to renounce support for far-right, racist and fascist parties
An American civil rights group on Friday called on the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize winner to renounce her support for Zionism and fascism, including over her links to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s political party and right-wing groups in Eur…MEE staff (Middle East Eye)
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Sweet lord, this was the best the opposition in Venezuela could do?
And this person won the Nobel Peace prize? It's disheartening.
Trump is putting his army in front of Venezuela because the US wants to steal the oil.
Give the US puppetet known for nothing noteworthy the last few years a 'nobel peace prize', then stage a coup in Venezuela and install the 'nobel peace prize winner'.
This has to be the most obvous psyop ever. At least it's clear now that the 'nobel peace prize' is basically a CIA endorsement.
Warpping Discord around a VPN
Try oniux for that, exactly what you need
Otherwise look into oniux and how to replace arti with wireguare/shadowsocks/xray/amneziawg
Do you have any tool to help with that? Ive set this up in the past, but it was pretty hands-on namespacing to get it to work rootless.
Edit: For completeness, here is a script similar to what I use.
A tiny script to run a VPN client and an app inside a network namespace
A tiny script to run a VPN client and an app inside a network namespace - wg-ns.shGist
networking.wireguard.interface.name.interfaceNamespace you can then move it into the container. For running applications I cannot really comment because I have only one service making use of the VPN which runs inside a NixOS container for which the namespace can be configured with --network-namespace-path=/run/netns/…
procustodibus.com/blog/2023/04…
volatilesystems.org/wireguard-…
ismailzai.com/blog/creating-wi…
On NixOS:
vtimofeenko.com/posts/wireguar…
One of these should work
GitHub - dadevel/wg-netns: WireGuard with Linux Network Namespaces
WireGuard with Linux Network Namespaces. Contribute to dadevel/wg-netns development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
i usually run wireproxy with cloudflare warp (wgcf) for this purpose
zapret might also work
ip route to route discord's IP addresses through a different interface like a VPN, alternatively you could launch discord with proxychains, there's many ways to do it
C-SPAN caller confronts House Speaker Mike Johnson about shutdown effects: 'My kids could die'
C-SPAN caller confronts House Speaker Mike Johnson about shutdown effects: 'My kids could die'
WASHINGTON — A C-SPAN caller made an emotional plea to House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., on Thursday to end the government shutdown, saying that “my kids could die” if she can’t afford their medicationMegan Lebowitz (NBC News)
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What a coincidence, life is already unpleasant!
Thanks for looking out for me when I am throughly uninterested in doing so myself. You are a gem. Don't change.
Hey, I'm not always taking the best care of myself either but I just know not all ways to go are equal and alcoholism is really unpleasant for the drinker in later stages, which is also when it's too late to change your mind and you just get long drawn out suffering compared to other morbidities.
That said, i do hope you can find some reasons to stick around a while even if it's just something as simple as making shitposts that make the rest of us chuckle and help brighten our days 😀
Server recommendations
Howdy folks,
I’ve come upon a solid amount of 4tb drives, 8 SAS drives for dirt cheap from a local biz. Never used. I saw a HP ProLiant DL385p Gen8 Server on eBay for $80 and thought it was a score since it had been the best deal. I’d been wanting to upgrade off my think center m710. Curious any recommendations for this? My current setup is as follows:
Main server:
Lenovo think center m710
16gb, gt 1030, 2 4tb HDD sata, one 500gb ssd sata
Ubuntu lts
Docker compose
- Arr stack
-Gluetun with open on proton in Germany
-qbittorrent
-sonarr
-radarr
-Overseer
-cleanuparr
-prowlarr
-plex
-navidrome
-audiobookshelf
-Minecraft server (modded: neoforge itzg)
-immich
-bunch of others that aren’t fully working like tatuli or plex wrapped
Secondary
Thinkpad x220 (loved this shit through college)
16gbRAM, 250ssd sata
Arch
Docker compose
-searxng
-pihole dns
I’m still looking in to some security system ideas as I’d like to use some storage and maybe do that with some of it. Or some cybersecurity projects or a banned book library or something. I’m open to any suggestions to help this go as smooth as I can make it and as fun as it can be.
I think the real question is going to be whether your power bill is going to be worth it. Running a large chassis server to power such old and small drives seems like kind of a bad trade considering how much more sense storage is now.
A RAID5 array with these will yield you 28TB usable, and then you'd have to worry about getting the same drive dimensions to replace one if it goes down in the coming years, which is going to be tricky.
Frigate is great, but it needs a lot of cpu/gpu or a corel TPU. OP has old hardware, so I'm guessing a slow CPU.
Zoneminder is a non-AI cctv system. Also free. Not as fun to play with as Frigate but solid.
Brendan Carr wants to let internet providers charge hidden fees again
Brendan Carr wants to let internet providers charge hidden fees again
Broadband customers may find themselves blighted by unexpected charges again, thanks to Federal Communications Commission chairman Brendan Carr.Jess Weatherbed (The Verge)
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You're on Hexbear. There's your problem.
I suggest creating another account on some other instance. Start with Lemmyverse to find a nice one. Once you find an interesting instance, check Fediseer for more details. Click the little (i) next to the instance name in the Lemmyverse results, and navigate to Fediseer endorsements. If the instance has been endorsed, censored or whatever, this is the place where you'll find some info about it.
For example, here's what it says about Hexbear. As you can see in the "censures received" section, that list is pretty long. BTW all the biggest instances attract attention, so disagreement and conflict naturally follow. However, the way the instance is run plays a role too. If you want to access more communities, make an account on one of the less conspicuous instances that hasn't been blocked by others.
My Laptop and Desktop have been windows free for years now. I Unfortunately have 1 box that it's only purpose is to run software for my Line 6 Helix and Power Amp, and my 8bitdo controllers for firmware updates. However, that box I debloated, and remote into it from a superior system.
USB pasthrough used to work, and I'd run a VM but I no longer am able to do this.
Tbf, a lot of versions of Windows sucked.
(I wonder if anyone wrote up one of these for MS-DOS back in the pre Win9X era. That'd be interesting just to see the roots of the copypasta, lol.)
Depends what it is. A sleeve of Oreos or binging half a pie one night is probably fine.
Meth? Maybe reconsider.
Video: Watch the good people of Chicago prevent a kidnapping by ICE Gestapo @ 63rd & Cicero last week!
CHICAGO REPORTBACK!Watch the good people of Chicago prevent a kidnapping by ICE Gestapo @ 63rd & Cicero last week!
#fuckice, #chingalamigra, #gestapo, #chicago, #nooneisillegal, #refugeeswelcome, #YourBordersKill, #weprotectus
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The Hwasong series of ICBMs has given North Korea the capacity to target anywhere on the U.S. mainland, but questions remain over the sophistication of its guidance system to reach a target, and the ability of a warhead it carries to withstand atmospheric re-entry.
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DeSantis calls on patriotic Floridians to fight back against ICE
Freshly after passing permitless open carry, Florida governor Ron DeSantis now calls upon patriotic Floridians to defend the state against invasion by Immigration and Customs Inforcement (ICE). "It's communism" he says, "we don't do communism here."
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Technology reshared this.
Maybe the NYT's headline writers' eyes weren't that great to begin with?
The tech could represent the end of visual fact — the idea that video could serve as an objective record of reality — as we know it.
We already declared that with the advent of photoshop. I don't want to downplay the possibility of serious harm being a result of misinformation carried through this medium. People can be dumb. I do want to say the sky isn't falling. As the slop tsunami hits us we are not required to stand still, throw our hands in the air, and take it. We will develop tools and sensibilities that will help us not to get duped by model mud. We will find ways and institutions to sieve for the nuggets of human content. Not all at once but we will get there.
This is fear mongering masquerading as balanced reporting. And it doesn't even touch on the precarious financial situations the whole so-called AI bubble economy is in.
You couldn't "trust" video before sora et al. We had all these sightings of aliens and flying saucers - which stopped conveniently having an impact when everybody started carrying cameras around.
There will be a need to verify authenticity and my prediction is that need will be met.
The tech could represent the end of visual fact — the idea that video could serve as an objective record of reality — as we know it.We already declared that with the advent of photoshop.
I think that this is "video" as in "moving images". Photoshop isn't a fantastic tool for fabricating video (though, given enough time and expense, I suppose that it'd be theoretically possible to do it, frame-by-frame). In the past, the limitations of software have made it much harder to doctor up --- not impossible, as Hollywood creates imaginary worlds, but much harder, more expensive, and requiring more expertise --- to falsify a video of someone than a single still image of them.
I don't think that this is the "end of truth". There was a world before photography and audio recordings. We had ways of dealing with that. Like, we'd have reputable organizations whose role it was to send someone to various events to attest to them, and place their reputation at stake. We can, if need be, return to that.
And it may very well be that we can create new forms of recording that are more-difficult to falsify. A while back, to help deal with widespread printing technology making counterfeiting easier, we rolled out holographic images, for example.
I can imagine an Internet-connected camera --- as on a cell phone --- that sends a hash of the image to a trusted server and obtains a timestamped, cryptographic signature. That doesn't stop before-the-fact forgeries, but it does deal with things that are fabricated after-the-fact, stuff like this:
The real danger is the failing trust in traditional news sources and the attack on the truth from the right.
People have been believing what they want regardless of if they see it for a long time and AI will fuel that but is not the root of the problem.
Traditional news sources became aggregators of actual news sources and open source Intel, and have made "embellishing" the norm. Stock/reused visuals, speculating minutes into events, etc etc
It is increasingly faked. The right just pretends that means they're lies that feel "good" are the truth
Videos are now basically have the same weights as words, no longer a "smoking gun". Videos basically become like eyewitness testimony, well... its slightly better as it protect against misremembering or people with inadequate lexicon and unable to clearly articulate what they saw. The process wil become: get the witness to testify they had posession of the camera, was recording at the time of incident, and they believe the video being presented in court is genuine and have not been altered, then its basically a video version of their eyewitness testimony. The credibility of the video is now tied to the witness/camera-person's own credibility, and should not be evaluated as an independent evidence, but the jury should treat the video as the witnese's own words, meaning, they should factor in the possibility the witness faked it.
A video you see on the internet is now just as good as just a bunch of text, both equally unreliable.
We live in a post-truth world now.
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And that's perfect, that's the world that made all the due process and similar things evolve.
There's never been such a thing as independent evidence. The medium has always mattered. And when people started believing this is no more true, we've almost gotten ourselves a new planetary fascist empire, I hope we're still in time to stop that.
Videos are now basically have the same weights as words...We live in a post-truth world now.
It's interesting that you start with a bold statement that is IMHO correct, namely that namely what was once taken as unquestionable truth now isn't, but also it's not new, just yet another media, but still conclude that it's different.
Arguably we were already in a post-truth World, always have been, it only extends to a medium we considered too costly to fake until now. The principle is still the same.
In the Middle Ages people believed in creatures nobody had ever seen. And the legal systems and the concepts of knowledge were not very good.
And still the latter evolved to become better long before people started recording sounds to wax cylinders and shooting photos.
In the Middle Ages people believed in creatures nobody had ever seen
FWIW even centuries later, during Linneaus time, people were actually looking for unicorns.
Meh we're not there yet. But the day is coming.
"The Running Man" predicted the future!
Everything is permitted
That’s not really feasible without phones doing this automatically.
Even then didn’t the first Trump admin already argue iPhone video can’t be trusted because it’s modified with AI filters?
Sign every video automatically? Sounds like chatcontrol all over.
Also, I could just generate a video on my computer and film it with my phone. Now it's signed, even has phone artifacts for added realism.
it means if you see a logo that shows CNN, and its signed by CNN, then you know for sure that CNN released it. As a news organisation they should have their own due diligence about sources etc, but they can at least be held to account at that point.
versus random ai generated video with a fake logo and fake attribution that is going viral and not being able to be discredited in time before it becomes truth.
then you know for sure that CNN released it.
Why not link to the original CNN source then, if you want to be trusted? You'd have to do that anyways if you want to use the CNN footage in your own video.
I don't think people who care about the validity of a news video will be helped much with this, and people who don't care about the truth can easily ignore it too.
As a news organisation they should have their own due diligence about sources etc
But what if they can't anymore? News orgs don't only show video that they recorded. They have videos from freelance reporters, people who were at an event, government orgs, other news orgs in other countries...
building a web of trust has to start somewhere.
currently we're in the "its all very difficult, we cant solve all the tricky things, so we're not even trying" stage.
hopefully we find a way to move forward, even if its not perfect.
also: if a pixel changes then it isn't the original source video, by definition. being able to determine that it has been altered is entirely the point.
The point was to sign AI footage so you know what's fake. NFTs can be used as a decentralized repository of signatures. You could realistically require the companies to participate, but the idea doesn't work because you can edit footage so it doesn't match the signature. More robust signatures exist, but none is good enough, especially since the repo would have to be public.
Signing real footage makes even less sense. You'd have to trust everybody and their uncle's signature.
A digital signature works with public/private keys and content hashes. This is a solved problem.
In fact, it's part of secure DNS.
How does that answer my question, how do NFTs help an organization prove that a key belongs to them?
NFTs and blockchains are an entirely virtual construct that can't affect the real world, or take trusted, non-key inputs from the real world. That's not 100% true, but it is mostly true.
So really, you need a way to tie or bind a key to an identity or organization. You could perhaps sign some data, such as a domain name with a key on a chain, but that doesn't prove anything. Anyone could sign anything with any key, so you need to approach the problem from the other direction.
You can install the key directly, or the hash of the key into DNS, verifiers can retrieve the key from DNS, then resolve it to the full key if necessary. You can then use the key to verify signatures of signed data.
Why DNS? Because that is currently the most standard way to identify organizations on the internet. Also, much of the security of the internet is directly bound to DNS. For example, getting certificates for websites often entails changing a DNS record at the request of an issuer to prove that you own the domain in question.
This is not an idea I invented just now, there are multiple DNS record types that have been defined for literally decades at this point which allow an organization to publish keys to DNS. Among the first is this: rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2535#sec… Not completely related, but it is a key of some kind published to DNS.
I don't think NFTs provide any useful functionality in helping organizations prove that a key is theirs, at least nothing much better than a simpler solution which already exists.
It's kind of besides the point. Yes they don't add anything unique and yes it was most likely because if hype, but NFTs is just what they used in the wip to store the signatures on, but the core principle is flawed no matter what you put it on.
Sorry I thought you suggested DNS to solve the core issues.
Cryptographic signatures are something we should have been normalizing for awhile now.
I remember during the LTT Linux challenge, at one point they were assigned the task "sign a PDF." Linus interpreted this as PGP sign the document, which apparently Okular can do but he didn't have any credentials set up. Luke used some online tool to photoshop an image of his handwriting into the document.
Is this going to kill Onlyfans?
Or is the market decidedly because Onlyfans is about personal creators and thus it's more meaningful than porn?
But when short AI videos become so good you can't tell if you're being catfished, will it feel the same?
O mito do Sul do Brasil conservador e sua função ideológica
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NEPAL - A história que não te contaram
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ClamAV 1.5 Open-Source Antivirus Engine Released with Major New Features
ClamAV 1.5 Open-Source Antivirus Engine Released with Major New Features - 9to5Linux
ClamAV 1.5 open-source antivirus engine is now available for download with major new features, improvements, and bug fixes.Marius Nestor (9to5Linux)
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Did western media ‘enable genocide’ in Gaza?
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Modern messaging: Running your own XMPP server
Modern messaging: Running your own XMPP server
Since a years we know, or might suspect, our chats are listend on, our uploaded files are sold for advertising or what purpose ever and the chance our social messengers leak our private data is incredibly high. It is about time to work against this.code and society | codedge
Canadian broadcaster tried to cover up Ukrainian fighter’s swastika tattoo (VIDEO)
Canadian broadcaster tried to cover up Ukrainian fighter’s swastika tattoo (VIDEO)
CBC news blurred the Nazi symbol in an aired report but left it visible in the video’s thumbnailRT
Fight Chat Control - Protect Digital Privacy in the EU
Fight Chat Control - Protect Digital Privacy in the EU
Learn about the EU Chat Control proposal and contact your representatives to protect digital privacy and encryption.fightchatcontrol.eu
Stephen Miller Accidentally Says “I” When Discussing Trump’s Powers
Stephen Miller may have just accidentally confirmed that he, not President Donald Trump, is the one calling the shots in regard to deportation raids and National Guard deployments.“Illinois governor says we’re provoking actions that are unlawful,” Miller said on CNN on Monday. “Why would the mere presence—just think about this for a second. If I put federal law enforcement and National Guard into a nice sleepy Southern town, is anyone gonna riot?”
Stephen Miller Accidentally Says “I” When Discussing Trump’s Powers
Miller’s slip of the tongue reveals who’s really in charge.The New Republic
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Taliban accuses Pakistan of bombing border town, Islamabad cites cross-border terrorist attacks
"Pakistan violated Afghanistan's airspace, bombing a civilian market in the Marghi area of Paktika near the Durand Line and also violating Kabul's sovereign territory," the defence ministry said in a post on social media."This is an unprecedented, violent, and heinous act in the history of Afghanistan and Pakistan," it added.
Taliban accuses Pakistan of bombing border town, Islamabad cites cross-border terrorist attacks
Pakistan says Afghan soil is being used to launch cross-border terrorist attacks.TRT World
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María Corina Machado Is Awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
🍄's gonna be so mad when he hears about this. 😁https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/10/10/world/nobel-peace-prize
Humanity is an organism. Humans are its cells. Some cells are malignant cancer. In absence of a cure, cancer gets chemotherapy.
For fuck sake, what isn't a scam nowadays?
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⚜︎ arsCynic: modernity ∝ nature | Angelino Desmet
A sentient stack of stardust's thoughts on nothing and everything, influenced by Cynicism, pursuing modernity in proportion to nature.www.arscyni.cc
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Maria's history is interesting, she's basically spent her entire career calling every Venezuelan election fraudulent.
Jimmy Carter himself decried her and her organisation as releasing "deliberately erroneous" information. I guess she's just more politically convenient now.
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Federal Employees Have Been Asked to Tell Their Bosses if They Get Fired
Multiple people at multiple agencies said their bosses have told them to email up the chain if they hear about RIFs, because, per one source, "they probably won't be told if people are fired."
The current claims of mas firing dont seem to be substantiated yet
Edit: looks like they're firing the computer security folks
New Mass Layoffs?
You’ve probably seen that Russ Vought went on Twitter today and said “the RIFS [government speak for permanent layoffs] have begun.” Obviously I can’t know…Josh Marshall (TPM - Talking Points Memo)
Trump, given an excuse to do what he's wanted to do ever since he got mad and fired my brother from another mother. Per the NY Post:WASHINGTON — The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) is among the offices being permanently downsized as a result of the ongoing partial government shutdown, The Post has learned.
The RIFs (reductions in force), which started Friday, will fire some of CISA’s 2,540 employees as well as thousands more within the federal bureaucracy — after President Trump repeatedly threatened to target offices cherished by Democrats if the party’s senators refused to reopen the government.
In an indication of the possible scale of the RIF, CISA had planned to keep just 889 employees on duty during a shutdown while furloughing 65% of its workforce.
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Cybersecurity agency that clashed with Trump one of the first hit with federal firings due to government shutdown
CISA plans to keep just 889 employees on duty during a shutdown while furloughing 65% of its workforce.Steven Nelson (New York Post)
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The World’s Most Powerful Zionist – Inside the Secret War to Control the Narrative
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VPN Comparison 2.0
After making a post about comparing VPN providers, I received a lot of requested feedback. I've implemented most of the ideas I received.
Providers
- AirVPN
- IVPN
- Mozilla VPN
- Mullvad VPN
- NordVPN
- NymVPN
- Private Internet Access (abbreviated PIA)
- Proton VPN
- Surfshark VPN
- Tor (technically not a VPN)
- Windscribe
Notes
- I'm human. I make mistakes. I made multiple mistakes in my last post, and there may be some here. I've tried my best.
- Pricing is sometimes weird. For example, a 1 year plan for Private Internet Access is 37.19€ first year and then auto-renews annually at 46.73€. By the way, they misspelled "annually". AirVPN has a 3 day pricing plan. For the instances when pricing is weird, I did what I felt was best on a case-by-case basis.
- Tor is not a VPN, but there are multiple apps that allow you to use it like a VPN. They've released an official Tor VPN app for Android, and there is a verified Flatpak called Carburetor which you can use to use Tor like a VPN on secureblue (Linux). It's not unreasonable to add this to the list.
- Some projects use different licenses for different platforms. For example, NordVPN has an open source Linux client. However, to call NordVPN open source would be like calling a meat sandwich vegan because the bread is vegan.
- The age of a VPN isn't a good indicator of how secure it is. There could be a trustworthy VPN that's been around for 10 years but uses insecure, outdated code, and a new VPN that's been around for 10 days but uses up-to-date, modern code.
- Some VPNs, like Surfshark VPN, operate in multiple countries. Legality may vary.
- All of the VPNs claim a "no log" policy, but there's some I trust more than others to actually uphold that.
- Tor is special in the port forwarding category, because it depends on what you're using port forwarding for. In some cases, Tor doesn't need port forwarding.
- Tor technically doesn't have a WireGuard profile, but you could (probably?) create one.
Takeaways
- If you don't mind the speed cost, Tor is a really good option to protect your IP address.
- If you're on a budget, NymVPN, Private Internet Access, and Surfshark VPN are generally the cheapest. If you're paying month-by-month, Mullvad VPN still can't be beat.
- If you want VPNs that go out of their way to collect as little information as possible, IVPN, Mullvad VPN, and NymVPN don't require any personal information to use. And Tor, of course.
ODS file: files.catbox.moe/cly0o6.ods
Private Internet Access: The Best VPN Service For 10+ Years
PIA VPN is 2025's top-rated VPN service – with ultra-fast speeds, worldwide streaming servers, and 100% open-source software. Try PIA risk free for 30 days.Private Internet Access
VPN Comparison
I made a spreadsheet comparing different open source VPN providers.
Part 2 here
Providers
Notes
- Please do not start a flame war about Proton.
- Please do not start a flame war about cryptocurrencies. Monero is the only cryptocurrency listed because of its privacy.
- The very left column is the category for each row, the middle section is the various VPN providers, and the right section is which VPNs are the best in each category.
- IVPN has two differing plans, which is why "Standard" and "Pro" are sometimes differentiated.
- For accounts, "Generated" means a random identifier is created for you to act as your account, "Required" means you must sign up yourself. Proton VPN allows guest use under specific conditions (e.g. installed from the Google Play Store), but otherwise requires an account.
- Switzerland is seen as more private than Sweden. Gibraltar is seen as privacy neutral.
- All prices are in United States Dollars. Tax is not included.
- Pricing is based on the price combination to achieve the exact time frame. For example, Proton VPN does not have a 3 year plan but you can achieve 3 years by combining a 2 year plan with a 1 year plan.
- The availability section is security based. Availability is framed around a GrapheneOS and secureblue setup.
- The Proton VPN Flatpak is unofficial, but based on the official code.
- Availability on secureblue is based on the
ujust install-vpncommand. Security features must be disabled on secureblue in order to use the GUI for IVPN and Mullvad VPN, but not for Proton VPN. Mozilla VPN and NymVPN are available as Flatpaks, which are safer than layering packages.- I wanted to include more categories, such as which programming languages they are written in, connection speed, and security, but that became far too difficult and complex, so I decided to omit those categories.
Takeaways
- NymVPN is very very new, but it's off to a strong start. It wins in almost every category. I actually hadn't heard of it until I started this project.
- If you want a free VPN, Proton VPN is the only one here that meets that requirement.
- If you want to pay week-by-week, IVPN is the only one that allows that.
- If you're paying month-by-month on a budget, Mullvad VPN is the cheapest option.
- NymVPN is the cheapest plan for anything past 1 month.
- If you want to use Accrescent as your main app store, IVPN is the only VPN available there for now.
- If you want to pay for a bundle of apps, including a VPN, Proton sells more than just a VPN.
- Mozilla VPN is terrible. The only thing it has going for it is a verified Flatpak, but NymVPN also has that so it doesn't even matter.
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This is the website
This is the source code
This is the Google Play Store link (just in case)
The Tor Project / Applications / vpn · GitLab
Tor VPN for Android. Everything is subject to change.GitLab
"Tor VPN is beta software. Do not rely on it for anything other than testing. It may leak information and should not be relied on for anything sensitive"
in case you did not read the disclaimer
Its available through FDroid, you have to enable the the guardian repo first:
support.torproject.org/tormobi…
Is Tor Browser available on F-Droid? | Tor Project | Support
Defend yourself against tracking and surveillance. Circumvent censorship. | Is Tor Browser available on F-Droid?support.torproject.org
I've been concerned about performance lately; after having been on Mullvad forever, performance dropped to "abysmal" on every server, so I tried ivpn and got much better speeds. Still, it's a fraction of my fiber capability, wiþ VPN off. I looked at Nym, but haven't tried it; it doesn't seem like þroughput is a primary selling point for þem.
If you do try it, could you report back on speed impact?
I get 8% of my raw þroughput on Mullvad's servers. I get 28% on ivpn. Neiþer seems like a reasonably cost for Wireguard, and should be better.
Yeah, please report back if you do.
I don't know what's up w/ Mullvad. Þey were great for years.
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It's more private, but you'll sacrifice speed as a result of having to go through at least 2 servers.
They even have a 5-hop mode, which I don't know, probably would be slower than tor xD
I appreciate the attempt to quantify availability, but don't most of these providers allow you to generate OpenVPN and Wireguard configs, which can be used practically anywhere?
Nevertheless, your work is appreciated.
I've been using one of these since forever and it just works. Should I look at the others?
I don't want this to be a "I use x and its the best" type comment so I won't say which one.
I only use wireguard and wouldn't touch openvpn just because it seems so complex in comparisson.
The price is fine, the speed is fine, wireguard makes it ubiquitous, never had a problem with reliability.
Very much appreciate this work, but I am again gonna ask if there is some way to include I2P, perhaps in its own thing, perhaps segregated by outproxies.
Yep, its super slow compared to basically all VPNs, and is a bit of struggle to set up compared to most VPNs.
But, it is also entirely free, and you can use I2P with outproxies to access the wider internet outside of I2P's... I2P-net... allows port forwarding, works very well for a slow but steady churn of uh, filesharing, etc.
I would also argue I2P is a better way that TOR to protect your IP and your actual net traffic, due to TOR nodes being known to be run as honeypots ...
Its possible an I2P outproxy could also be operated as a honeypot, but as I understand it, ... so long as you are not unlucky enough to just directly route through an outproxy without first bouncing through other I2P users/hosts... you're basically good.
And even in that scenario, its would be very difficult to reverse engineer all the packets and figure out which parts were going to who, as well as the actual contents of those packets.
Agreed, if OP is going to add Tor in a "VPN" list then may as well add I2P. I2P + outproxies are pretty much the same thing as Tor + Tor Exit Relay. It's not the best way to utilize I2P but the option does exist.
Then again neither Tor nor I2P should be in a "VPN" list, the whole thing seems more of a VPN provider topic.
Honestly i wish these kind of vpns had a different name.
Wireguard isnt even on the list and its entirely free, but also it doesn’t serve this same purpose.
Vpn stands for private personal network, selfhosted vpns do exactly that, i can use my
Phone to connect to all my home services which replace expensive subscriptions without actually exposing those services to the net or requiring a domain for them.
Vpns are amazing, but most people i know irl that use them barely understand what they are or what they can be used for.
Virtual private network,i know, i know, but i just wrote the wrong thing on accident.
Since its been up for so long feels dishonest to change it. I am owning up to my mistakes and my sentiment that the post is about providers only still stands.
PIA does not have WireGuard configs available. To get those, you have to use third-party tools to capture and generate the necessary info. Otherwise, you have to use their client, or else no WireGuard.
Users have been asking for years (since 2018, I think), and they've never provided them.
GitHub - pia-foss/manual-connections: Scripts for manual connections to Private Internet Access
Scripts for manual connections to Private Internet Access - pia-foss/manual-connectionsGitHub
PIA was also purchased by the Israeli company, Kape Technologies, which is tied to Unit 8200. If your concern is privacy, I would recommend do against it.
The very first CEO of Crossrider, Koby Menachemi, happened to be once a part of Unit 8200 which is an Israeli Intelligence Unit in their military and has also been dubbed as “Israel’s NSA “.
Private Internet Access VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by former Israeli spy
arccompute.com/blog The following article contains quotes and links meant to inform VPN consumers concerning the ownership, affiliations, and past business practices of Kape Technologies (formerly known as Crossrider) in light of their acquisition of…Telegraph
I have the same question about PureVPN.
Does Pure fly under the radar, or just not as well known?
I've been using it for years and never any problems.
Since September 2021, ExpressVPN has been a subsidiary of Kape Technologies, a company wholly owned by Israeli billionaire Teddy Sagi.
Teddy Sagi is an Israeli businessman and convicted criminal based in London and Dubai.
PIA is also owned by Sagi btw. Shouldn't even be on this list.
All VPNs are blocked on my university's network
I live off campus, thankfully, but it sucks that I can't have any privacy on my laptop while on campus.
it sucks that I can’t have any privacy on my laptop while on campus.
tunnel to your home connection then. unless you live an hour or two away from your campus, it's not gonna add a delay that's noticeable to you.
Mullvad on desktop has QUIC protocol encapsulation so that wireguard just looks like normal https traffic.
There's also shadowsocks protocol encapsulation to look like ssh traffic. And that's even available on mobile too.
If you care about privacy no.
If you just need to unlock regional content then it should be good.
Keyword being "free".
Could you suggest a better VPN that's free?
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First of all Mullvad isn't German.
Second, they have already proved they respect customers privacy.
Get your facts straight and don't cry if someone criticizes your favorite corporation.
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I agree.
Though, it's not that deep. I was saying how it's the best amongst the free ones. I'm not saying it's the best in general.
One thing you may want to update - listing Tor's logging policy as "No Logs" is a bit misleading, that's really more of a voluntary recommendation for individual Tor exit relay operators.
Tor exit relay operators absolutely can store logs of outgoing connections if they choose to. And technically they could even snoop on non-secure traffic if they choose, there's a reason you should be using HTTPS if you're going to use Tor for clearnet browsing.
Of course most Tor exit relay operators aren't going to do these things but it's all voluntary, seems incorrect to claim all exit relay operators follow no log principles.
EDIT: Also AFAIK you can't forward a port from the clearnet through a Tor exit relay's public IP address back to your own Tor client, Tor doesn't do port forwarding like that. It's definitely not needed to run Tor Browser (and Tor VPN I think) but that isn't needed for any of the other VPNs either, a bit confusing how you listed that one.
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Show me where he endorses Trump.
Oh, you can't? But you read it on Facebook or something so it must be true?
Common, show me your information.
This is bullshit based on some old tweet Andy Yen did about trump doing good going against big tech. You can read about it here or search for it elsewhere.
It always comes out when someone says something nice about ProtonVPN, who have an amazing track record IMO.
Does Proton really support Trump? A deeper analysis (and surprising findings)
Does Proton really support Trump? A deeper analysis (and surprising findings) Recently, allegations surfaced on Reddit that Proton (or at least Proton’s CEO) supports Trump. Hillary Keverenge from …ovenplayer (Medium)
Thank you!
And sorry if I came around a bit agressively. Kudos to you for checking the link and updating your view.
That write up does seem to ignore the doubling down here:
Calling out that JD Vance was the only one to answer is pretty troubling to me after reading about some of his new-right ties. It's way, way too close for my liking to a mouse telling everyone that will listen that the cat was amazing for inviting him and all his friends to his house in a week. ie. Playing into what just seems like an obvious strategy.
That said, I'm pretty ignorant about the CEO. I just remembered this lemmy comment and I didn't notice it included in the write up that was being linked.
The official @protonprivacy@[url=https://mastodon.social/actor]mastodon.social[/url] account replied and doubled down
protonprivacy@[url=https://mastodon.social/actor]mastodon.social[/url] - @[url=https://aragon.sh/users/jonah]Jonah[/url]Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.
Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.
At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.
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protonprivacy@[url=https://mastodon.social/actor]mastodon.social[/url] - @[url=https://aragon.sh/users/jonah]Jonah[/url] By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.
Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.
Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.
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(Less importantly, my response)Eric Gerlach (@egerlach@hachyderm.io)
@protonprivacy@mastodon.social @jonah@neat.computer Unfortunately, there's a line beyond which it's not okay to view a political party through one issue, and IMO the Republicans have crossed that line. Privacy is a human rights issue.Hachyderm.io
I do not use Windows and I do everything in my power to use non American phones.
The difference is that proton's founder voiced support whereas Microsoft has always had a relationship w my govt and it's dragnet for the Gazan genocide is quiet.
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Proton Mail Says It’s “Politically Neutral” While Praising Republican Party
The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.Nikita Mazurov (The Intercept)
The 'availability' is misleading. If they offer OpenVPN or Wireguard then they are available pretty much anywhere.
Using just plain Wireguard or OpenVPN configs would also be much better than installing random VPN provider apps.
cryptostorm - The VPN service provider for the truly paranoid
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I'd love to see them audited.
Back when they were in the US, they closed shop and moved to Iceland to avoid turning over data for a subpoena.
That's both admirable and an admission that they had longs to turn over.
But that they generate accounts on the fly like the best? Is promising in context.
The issue there AFAIK is that some app builds aren't fully reproducible, because if they were the developer signature would still apply and be used. In the reproducible case the security of the build infra wouldn't matter, because the same app would be produced the same regardless were they are build.
Without reproducible builds, you cannot really trust the software anyway, because the Dev could hook some hidden code only for the released binary app and sign that.
uhm no not really?
I mean reproducible builds are used to cross verfiy that it is the same binary in this case, but like android has no mechanism to do that, this is not how it works.
that a build should be reproducible is more about your second point and doesnt really have anything to do with fdroid, as far as i know
Edit: these links should explain it all:
discuss.grapheneos.org/d/21675…
Once it passes inspection, the F-Droid build service compiles and packages the app to make it ready for distribution. The package is then signed either with F-Droid’s cryptographic key, or, if the build is reproducible, enables distribution using the original developer’s private key. In this way, users can trust that any app distributed through F-Droid is the one that was built from the specified source code and has not been tampered with.
f-droid.org/en/2025/09/29/goog…
F-Droid and Google's Developer Registration Decree | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
For the past 15 years, F-Droidhas provided a safe and secure haven for Android users around the world tofind and install free and open source apps. When cont...f-droid.org
I haven't looked at all providers, merely Nymvpn as I was interested. Turns out they have a 2TB/month cap. Might not be an issue for some, but might be for others.
ProtonVPN: only 8 years old: RED FLAG!
Well reddish flag at least, is there a rationale behind this? I mean 8 years is quite a long time.
So you also think the choices were not that good?
I mean what you are saying is that if there had been a 50 year old one, all the others should be red?
I'm just explaining the reason why it's more reddish (but not as red as others). It's something most spreadsheet software (this was clearly MS Excel) can do automatically with numbers for visual indication so we can more easily see the distribution, it does not mean 8 years old is bad.
If there's a big unbalance in color it would just make it more visible that there's a big unbalance in ages. Probably if that had happened more colors could have been added to the gradient, maybe maroon->red->yellow->green->blue->white. But I think it was not seen as necessary in this case (or the author was lazy, since these are one of the defaults I believe).
Who cares about why it happened? I mean it's kind of obvious. No one questioned why excel shows a specific colour, but I did why the person making the spreadsheet did in fact use what you go to lengths to explaine, in a specific way. It's like saying sorry your paycheck was halved because we have this software and today it divided your salary in half. Not saying that's not ok or anything, but explaining how "dividing by 2 halves a number".
I feel you explain something, while correct, had nothing to do with what I said.
(this was clearly MS Excel)
LibreOffice Calc, actually. You are correct about the color grading.
(or the author was lazy, since these are one of the defaults I believe)
I changed the conditional colors from the default to match the colors that LibreOffice uses for "Good", "Neutral", and "Bad".
Calc | LibreOffice - Free and private office suite - Based on OpenOffice - Compatible with Microsoft
LibreOffice, Calc, spreadsheet, ODF, open standardswww.libreoffice.org
Edit: I so I thought. I had set it up and apparently not kept up with the times
For anyone who considers getting the tor vpn android app
"Tor VPN is beta software. Do not rely on it for anything other than testing. It may leak information and should not be relied on for anything sensitive" (it is a disclaimer from their website)
Thank you for adding the created date column and making sweden green
Yes. The owner/developer is Kape technologies, an Israeli spyware/adware company.
For maximum privacy, I recommend VPN providers with a jurisdiction outside of Five Eyes and other international intelligence-sharing agreements -- that is, one headquartered outside of the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. So it initially seems like a positive sign that, while CyberGhost has offices in Germany, it's headquartered in Romania. German entrepreneur Robert Knapp says he founded the $114,000 startup on the back of low-wage Bucharest labor before flipping it for $10.5 million in 2017.The issue is who he sold it to -- the notorious creator of some pernicious data-huffing ad-ware, Crossrider. The UK-based company was cofounded by an ex-Israeli surveillance agent and a billionaire previously convicted of insider trading who was later named in the Panama Papers. It produced software which previously allowed third-party developers to hijack users' browsers via malware injection, redirect traffic to advertisers and slurp up private data.
Crossrider was so successful it ultimately drew the gaze of Google and UC Berkeley, which identified the company in a damning 2015 study. (You can read the Web Archive version of that document.)
This practice, commonly called traffic manipulation, is condemned web-wide. And the only difference between it and one of the oldest forms of cyberattack, called man-in-the-middle (MitM), is that you clicked "agree" on the terms and conditions.
Whether or not PIA or ExpressVPN or the other providers owned by Kape fulfill this data scraping and ad-serving pipeline in my mind is irrelevant. Choosing to do business with them rewards bad actors when there are other VPN sellers who don't have such a tainted lineage.
Good work. Might be valuable to add a "allows port forwarding" row.
Edit: whoops, I'm a silly willy. It's right in front of me! My bad.
I see that Windscribe was included. Their price tier is always in promotion so I'd take that in consideration.
Also, they have app for Linux: windscribe.com/features/linux/
It is not in Electron like many others. It is native Linux.
Get the Fastest VPN for Linux | Windscribe
Get fast, secure & private browsing with Windscribe’s Linux VPN. Block ads, evade trackers & access global content from the command line. No credit card needed.windscribe.com
I think it's worth noting NYMVpn uses a quite advanced mixnet for security which is different from other VPNs and theoretically more secure than even TOR. I say theoretically because it hasn't yet been proven with large scale use.
What is a mixnet? Unparalleled online privacy with a VPN
Learn how a mixnet works and how it can power the world's most private VPNCasey Ford, PhD (Nym)
Checklists Are The Thief Of Joy - Dhole Moments
I have never seen security and privacy comparison tables (henceforth referred to simply as “checklists” for brevity) used for any other purpose but deception. After pondering this obser…Dhole Moments
C tor/little-t-tor/etc. is licensed under the "3-clause BSD" license
Tor technically doesn’t have a WireGuard profile, but you could (probably?) create one
I dont know a lot about wireguard, but of the cuff answer would be no.
Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 4.0 International but the actual license file is a different license.
Tor is distributed under the "3-clause BSD" license
The reason gitlab says it is, is because the LICENSE file contains all licenses for the codebase, including stuff like geoip which is destributed under CC BY-SA 4.0
This file contains the license for Tor,It also lists the licenses for other components used by Tor.
Last time I said it was hard to figure out if this was some kind of malice or just someone without much experience/knowledge.
I been thinking about what this post and the one before it actually are though. They’re not disinformation, I don’t think they’re misinformation although I think that argument could be made if there was actual intent (and a person could also make the argument that there is intent).
This just kind of seems like white noise or what would be called slop if it were generated by ai.
It’s not useful in making a decision.
A vpn is a tool and you use the right tool for the job. A chart comparing the various similarities and differences between a box and open end wrench, flare nut wrench, socket set, power drill, impact driver and torque wrench would be useless for decision making about what tool to buy because they’re for different jobs.
If you need to take the lug nuts off a truck the right tool is an impact, if you need to replace brake lines you’re gonna use a flare nut wrench.
It’s not useful to compare pia and mullvad. If all you need is a cheap way to reliably bypass geofencing then pia is the right tool. If you need deniability and trust then mullvad is the right tool.
It makes no sense to compare air and nord. If you need the cheapest per device service for bypassing content blocks then the tool is nord. If you need port forwarding for torrents, soulseek and usenet all at once then the tool is air.
The problem with posts like this is that they don’t really provide any useful understanding or decision making process and wouldn’t be useful from an educational perspective like the comparison between various wrenches made above (if it were in some kind of Tools for Dummies publication) because they’re not even contextualized as such.
A better start for this kind of post would be “here are some reasons to use a vpn service” or “here are some actual important differences between different vpn services apps”, not weather they’re available on Jim’s cut rate Secure I Promise (tm) alternative android App Store.
Last time I said it was hard to figure out if this was some kind of malice or just someone without much experience/knowledge.
Totally disagree with the first few paragraphs. Someone makes a post you feel has inadequate depth and you think they're the goddamned CIA? I don't see any basis for the hostile tone.
If you need port forwarding for torrents, soulseek and usenet all at once then the tool is air.
But like it's nice to be able to have a reference to quickly exclude certain options without having to wade through all their various websites. If you already know that you need port forwarding, then a chart like this will help you exclude several mainstream options. If there is some other criteria you already know about it could save you a lot of time.
A better start for this kind of post would be “here are some reasons to use a vpn service” or “here are some actual important differences between different vpn services apps”
Those do exist elsewhere and I don't think there is much wrong with summarizing the current state of things for an informed audience. We are on lemmy here! I wouldn't mail this chart out to the whole neighbourhood or anything, it's probably not a good very first intro for most people. Although even for a person just getting started, having the column of criteria on the left could be useful to point out "what are the things to consider". Like maybe you wouldn't even guess that the number of devices would be limited.
Long narrative comparisons can be hard to follow. They are good for understanding the differences but then once you are having an understanding how do you pick? It's very convenient if someone else goes to the trouble to sift through the information. On wikipedia there are some subjects that have tables comparing things and I find them very helpful. Otherwise I'd just have to spend hours making my own tables.
BTW wikipedia has a table comparing different kinds of wrenches so obviously someone thought it would be useful!!
The main issue is that the information could become out of date or erroneous in the first place so you need to verify for yourself whatever is key to your decisions. That's just the nature of third party info.
So like I said, I don’t think the post is malicious.
I tried to be careful not to take a hostile tone. It’s possible you’re correctly identifying a critical tone, because my comment was intended as criticism of the post.
There are ways of presenting factual information that are not helpful or useful and actually serve the opposite purpose. You certainly don’t need to use prose to present information in a useful way, but consider how much closer to the old car paint color versus mileage chart (or whatever example they used to teach you about uncorrelated data in school) the posters chart is than the Wikipedia wrench table you linked.
The Wikipedia wrench table is in the context of “tools for dummies” that I said might be appropriate for that type of presentation, just as an aside.
The whole point of using some kind of chart or table is to make understanding easier, not more difficult. The posted chart does the latter. I think its because the op doesn’t understand both what they’re trying to say or the information they’re trying to show to convey it and because they chose a really excessively dimensional way to do so. A flowchart, infographic or anything other than a three dimensional chart would be better but since it’s so unclear what they’re trying to express, except possibly how much they love nymvpn and how people should really take a look at that previously underrepresented option, I can’t really make a recommendation.
OK well then I should divulge to you full disclosure that I think you, like OP, are also probably not a hostile actor who is commenting to fuck with me specifically or ?lemmy users? in general. More likely someone who's got a bit spun up their head. But I can't say for sure......
As it happens, last time I was looking at different VPN vendors I had to spend a ton of time basically creating an abbreviated version of this chart that had the items most salient to my use case. To sift through the websites, forums, support sections etc, because the information isn't clearly presented was annoying. They are all trying to emphasize their strengths to make a sale based on their marketing strategy.
I can say that this chart, exactly as it is, would have saved me significant time had it been available. I found similar but they were old. And I looked at it to see if the conclusion I came to is still the right one for me--- it is. I can clearly see the required information.
Good! You’re on a public forum and people do that shit! Our instance is slightly better than the other Reddit offshoots but most of them haven’t kicked the social media curse and everything you read on lemmy needs to get the sidest of ways glances.
I have trouble taking your statement that you can see the required information seriously when the required information literally isn’t there. Important stuff like weather a service accepts cash anonymously, is owned by what company and what that company’s affiliations are (talking about kape and israel here, not the proton red herring) and how forwarded ports are allocated are not included in the chart.
Of course, that kind of information doesn’t fit neatly into a table so it’s another example of the format of the data being inadequate.
I can believe that a broad generalized table like this is useful in the context of learning the ropes of what’s out there in terms of vpn services, but it isn’t being presented in that way. If this kind of table were around years ago when I was getting my feet under me I would have made bad choices based on it.
My comments saying “hey, this is bad and not something to use” are not coming from my seat of power at the player haters annual dinner and awards ceremony but from clear recognition of misleading information based on experience.
Mozilla VPN is just Mullvad, so you are on a very good vpn service.
As long as you are happy, I don't see why you should swap.
(Going to mullvad directly could be slightly beneficial if you want a generated account that has no direct metadata to link to you, using a card to pay would negate that benefit, but theres other options.. in the end you are using a good service already)
Since you do not seem to list self-hosting options, e.g. WireGuard or OpenVPN, then IMHO it'd be good to at least have a line on each about what's the actual backend, e.g. does service X runs on WireGuard, OpenVPN, something else, something proprietary that has been audited by 3rd party if so whom and when.
Edit: suggested self-hosting (but not at home) WireGuard in the previous thread lemmy.ml/post/37270537/2153605…
It's not entirely a big deal to me.
I think I agree with the staff reply on this thread: airvpn.org/forums/topic/56799-…
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Also this post is from Lemmy, so I retooted a Lemmy post
Qatar Air Force facility to be built at USAF base in Idaho
Qatar Air Force facility to be built at USAF base in Idaho, Defense Secretary Hegseth says
Hegseth The Defense secretary made the announcement at a Pentagon press conference with Sheikh Saoud bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, Qatar's defense minister.Lillian Rizzo (CNBC)
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Anche quest'anno il GL-Como partecipa al Linux Day!
L'appuntamento annuale organizzato da ILS è nato nel 2001 per promuovere le idee del software libero e dell'open source, con un occhio di riguardo verso Linux. L'evento è costituito da una rete di eventi decentralizzati in tutta Italia organizzati autonomamente da gruppi volontari e appassionati.
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Fabio e Elena ``of Valhalla'' attend.
While Ripping Trump Authoritarianism, Over Half of Senate Dems Help GOP Pass $925 Billion Pentagon Bill
Senate Democrats are blasting President Donald Trump’s increasingly authoritarian behavior and congressional Republicans for shutting down the US government to preserve devastating healthcare cuts, but over half of them voted with the GOP late Thursday to give nearly $1 trillion to the Pentagon, which has never passed an audit.
The final vote on the Senate’s $925 billion version of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2026 was 77-20, with Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.), Ted Cruz (R-Texas), and Thom Tillis (R-NC) not voting. The passage tees up talks with leaders in the House of Representatives, where nearly all Republicans and 17 Democrats approved an NDAA last month.
“Yesterday, the Senate voted to give the Pentagon a trillion-dollar spending package while the Trump administration and MAGA Republicans play politics with troop pay and nuclear security and refuse to reopen the federal government,” Markey said in a Friday statement. “All the while, they are stealing healthcare from American families to fund tax breaks for CEO billionaires. This isn’t a budget that funds America’s real security needs.”
While Ripping Trump Authoritarianism, Over Half of Senate Dems Help GOP Pass $925 Billion Pentagon Bill
"Congress continues to expand military spending while denying investments in the programs that will truly build a safer, healthier future for working- and middle-class families," said Sen. Ed Markey, who voted no.jessica-corbett (Common Dreams)
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in reply to Evilsandwichman [none/use name] • • •It is just 5 Norwegian libs. They are pretty unremarkable outside of being on the committee.
The Nobel Peace Price is a constant reminder of why you shouldn't trust Norway to do anything. Most of the others are also kind of jokes (especially the literature one which is similarly a load of Swedish libs who are only remarkable for being on the committee) but the peace price is a borderline parody at this point.
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in reply to Ginny [they/she] • • •No kidding.
Plus, as much as others or I may not like it, the selection criteria does not include a morality clause.
Broadly speaking, they grant the award to people who have
“done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Or you know, they could just revoke the noble peace prize and just not give it out this year. That would send a better message at this point.
What’s the whole point of handing out these awards every year if they’re not deserved?
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