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I just found out my fiancee wants to switch to linux, lets start a distro war, what should be her first? + other questions
So i was surprised today when my fiancee told me she was thinking about switching over to linux. Surprised because she is absolutely not technically minded, but also because she was weary about having Microsoft AI slop forced on her PC every update. ( i'm so proud!)
Now i've used a little linux but i've always been a holdout. Won't stop me from moving someone else over but i have too much going on in my setup to deal with that right now. So i'm not super versed but i was able to give her the basic rundown of what distros are, concerns when switching, what may and may not be available, shes still on board so we're doing this! Knowing her she would like to not have to transition too much, whats something fairly hands off and easy to learn. I've heard some good things about mint from hanging around you nerds the past few years but also some not so good things, any suggestions?
next concern is what kind of transfer process is this going to be? i have some spare HDD's so we can try and get everything ported over but i'm so busy with school right now i can't quite allocate the time to really deep dive this.
Any help is appreciated, cheers!
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On atomic distros, you install stuff mostly via flatpak and distrobox. I'd even recommend using distrobox on traditional systems because you can just kill the box if you don't want it any longer. You can have multiple package managers at the same time installed without problems, e.g. yay, dnf and zypper. I guess you could even take your box with you when switching to a new distro (e.g. when switching from atomic fedora to opensuse as I did recently) but I have not yet done that.
Yes, management could be more end user friendly, but it'll get there
You can go with the Slowroll version which is Tumbleweed but with a week delayed updates which might prevent issues in updates you'd have on Tumbleweed. Personally, been with Tumbleweed for a year now and haven't had issues with updates.
You need to apply the update from time to time. You'll have to teach the user to do that. But you can create a simple alias in the terminal so they don't have to remember the update commands (system update and flatpak update cmds).
Mint.
No war. I don't use it, myself, but I've set up a couple family members and over þe past several years have gotten two tech support calls: one about connecting to a WiFi printer, which required only me telling þem how to get to system preferences; þe oþer because þey'd bought a new laptop which came wiþ Windows 11 and þey wanted help installing Linux (which þey were used to) on it instead.
Even as an EndeavourOS user, I concur: Mint. Why? Cinnamon is hands down the best desktop environment. Beginner friendly default without blasting features in one's face with configs all over the place, yet intuitively customizable for experienced Linux users.
This means she will be able to freely use it without your help, but you will be able to easily fine tune it to her preferences as well.
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I guess a good question would be what software you plan on using. If it's something more reliant on frequent updates and feature releases like gaming, the choice would be a bit different compared to something like office work or common browsing, where stability would be prioritized (at the cost of slower updates).
Mint, for example, is a great jumping off point for Windows users because of the familiar User Interface and a focus on stability and lack of prior knowledge required - but it lags behind when it comes to cutting edge stuff for things like gaming.
Curious what kind of real world use makes it a good choice?
It's declarative. Everything is (usually) configured via Nix itself, without requiring manual steps of running additional commands. This ends up being pretty useful when you have a fleet of devices that you want to configure.
Changing config is atomic. If you end up breaking your system when trying to tweak it, you can boot into the previous generation and try again with different settings.
As a general rule of thumb, I usually recommend Linux Mint to beginners. The installation and update processes are easy and intuitive, and there is a ton of software available, as well as good support if you know how to do web searches properly. The main trick is to try and remember that a paradigm shift needs to happen here. Linux is not Windows. It doesn't work like Windows, and it has different aims and priorities. She will also need to be prepared to learn a bit and be slightly more hands-on with her computing. The learning curve with Mint is comparatively gentle, but it does exist.
This is all very broad and general, but I hope it helps. Good luck to the both of you. I hope you are satisfied with whatever you decide on.
The right answer is,
Debian if they just use web browsers and basic office apps.
Fedora if they use do the same but also use recent hardware that needs a newer kernel
Bazzite if they are a casual gamer and you want to make sure her sims still work easily
Cachy if she's a nerd and plays a lot of higher end games.
All with kde of course
Three correct answers:
- Mint
- Fedora
- Pop
And a few incorrect answers:
- Ubuntu
- Arch
- Ubuntu again
- Really, don’t go with Ubuntu
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My advice would be to just give up on the dual boot (unless you still need it, and even then, maybe keep Windows on a different machine maybe?).
I think the best way to go is full Linux immersion.
Ubuntu has started going off the deep end. They've been heading in that direction for a while, but they recently (I guess like 5 years-ish ago) hit this corporatey, money-grabbing, mentality that's so completely opposite of what made Linux great.
The feel I get about it is 10 years ago, tutorials were written using Ubuntu because it was an easy distro to use and was a great platform for beginners, so people used that as their platform to teach. Now it feels like tutorials are written using Ubuntu because they're being sponsored to. A lot of how-tos I come accros have the same vibe as watching a video animation tutorial that uses adobe and oh gosh, it's also sponsored by adobe. Or a networking tutorial sponsored by Cisco. I've actually started just looking to see if another distro is acknowledged before I actually see what they have to say.
There's a very different feel if you're trying to set something up and a website has "if you're in this family of linux, here's what you do, or if you're in this one, do this" versus "so you want to set up x in linux? Here's how you do it in Ubuntu". It's as if no other distro exists.
Anyway, ignoring that rant. Linux is super stable these days, you can take pretty much any distro and you'll be fine. I tend to gravitate toward the base distros, like fedora, opensuse, and Debian over Rocky, mint, etc. I haven't come across one in the past five years that gave me any trouble, except when it came to updated nvidia drivers and wayland. In which case some distros were behind a month or two on getting those updated.
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Who even uses normal arch anymore.
All the cool kids use endeavour or cachy. Which is like calling Ubuntu, Debian.
While Mint is an Ubuntu-based distro, it tries to un-fuck the worst of Canonical. Other Ubuntu spins with a different desktop environment don't do this, like Xubuntu, Kubuntu, etc. They end up as just Ubuntu on a different DE, with all the decisions made by canonical.
Base Debian might work, but afaik, is "not as beginner friendly" compared to Mint.
Pop is such a cool project but it's been kinda broken for me both times I've tried it, and then add to that what happened with Linus tech tips where him being dumb combined with pop having not fixed a major and obvious packaging issue that completely broke his system has kinda just left me with the impression they're not super on top of the ball
I hope that's changed, I want them to be successful, especially with cosmic
Another incorrect answer: Manjaro
If you want Arch but a bit easier, just install EndeavourOS.
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It's dead simple. It is a meme. They may find that funny and humor and novelty help beginners ease into new environments.
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but you should install something else as the main OS
Just set this as the first thing to boot and then teach them to remove it
Fedora is pretty cool.
Linus Torvalds uses it, so you could say it’s the canonical distribution.
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I can recommend Debian or Fedora. They are both mature distros that are pretty easy to install and generally work well with minimal fuss and are easy to maintain. I often see Linux Mint recommend, including in this thread. I've never used it so I can't speak to it. But I have every reason to believe it's a solid choice.
As for transfer process, since you mention using spare disks, NTFS filesystems are supported and you may be able to just copy files off of them. I don't know if bitlocker is supported.
I would suggest whatever you pick, it should be a similar base to what you run or are most familiar with.
If you run something Debian based, you should recommend something Debian based. Fedora, Arch, etc.
The same is also true for desktop environments, if you use KDE, recommend KDE. If you run something not necessarily beginner friendly, recommend what you're familiar with.
At some point you're going to be asked questions, so the more familiar you are, the better for both of you.
The distro I find easiest to recommend to folk in my life looking to move to Linux is the distro that I'm using/most familiar with, because it makes it easier to help them out if they run in to an issue.
I use CachyOS, and previously, I was trying to support Mint etc, but having zero experience with the way the way Mint handles packages, with its default apps, update process etc, I found myself having to research an OS I don't use, and offer 2nd hand advice. I moved them over to CachyOS, and even though technically, it's not as beginner friendly, my day to day familiarity with it meant that it was easier to help out when troubles arose.
I loved Mint. It's still great. Recently I installed Linux on a family member's laptop which is not upgradeable to Windows 11. Hate to say it (and I may be a bit petty here): Mint looks dated, Cinnamon needs a facelift.
That was a reason I went with Zorin. It clearly tries to transition users that come from Windows with it's design (honestly, it's modded Gnome looks awesome). Even running .exe files is as simple as just opening them. Zorin will either just run them or suggest a Linux alternative. Had no issues with that OS so far.
That said, Mint or Ubuntu are solid choices for beginners (and pros alike).
Any of the large, easy to use distributions should work just fine. I'd recommend a popular distribution because it'll be easier to get help online. So consider Mint, Fedora, OpenSuse, Ubuntu and maybe Pop!_OS.
I think the main consideration should be which DE (desktop environment) she'd like to use. IMO the main contenders would be:
- KDE - Very configurable, nice looking, a bit heavy.
- Gnome - Simple and very opinionated, so not very configurable, a bit heavy.
- Cinnamon - Should feel familiar to Windows users, a bit faster than KDE and Gnome.
- Cosmic - A middle ground between Gnome's simplicity and KDE's configurability, pretty fast.
- XFCE - Very fast and light-weight, fairly configurable, but not very flashy.
Based on which DE she prefers, I'd suggest getting a distribution that comes with said DE by default, for the best possible integration. How do you figure out which DE she likes best? Put Ventoy on a USB stick along with a few different Linux ISOs. Ventoy wil let you choose which one to boot from a menu. You could get the following ISOs:
- Fedora or Ubuntu with Gnome
- OpenSUSE with KDE
- Linux Mint with Cinnamon
- Pop!_OS with Cosmic
- Mint or Ubuntu with XFCE
Download an ISO for each, install Ventoy on a USB stick and copy the ISOs to the stick. Boot into each ISO and play around with the desktop for a bit. When she's figured out which DE she prefers, install a distribution that comes with that desktop.
I'm on KDE as a former Windows and Mint user and it's really annoying. Especially the text editor Kate. All the hotkeys are different than Windows/Mint, there's no notepad equivalent and only a notepad++ equivalent, the GNOME text editor doesn't match the theming, and I had to settle on Mousepad for my replacement.
I had to do a lot of customization to get the system to behave like Windows, particularly the panel. Maybe with ZorinOS it's better.
there's no notepad equivalent and only a notepad++ equivalent
I believe you're looking for KWrite.
Thank you, that's exactly what I've been looking for. Wasn't bundled with Kubuntu (or maybe it was but I uninstalled it because I thought it was Wordpad) and didn't come up when searching for it in the Discover app, but after going to the official site and opening a link in the Discover app I got it installed. I then accidentally uninstalled it because uninstalling Kate does that.
Now to look up how to clean up the start menu so searching for a text editor doesn't give me the uninstalled Mousepad or it's separate settings app (I did it with a 5 second duckduckgo search).
Not really possible, because how a desktop feels or what can be configured it's hard to show on a website. Especially how you can visually adapt it. And what you can configure in general. Running it from a live USB takes like 5 minutes.
For example KDE is also very close to Windows, but can also be configured to behave more like a Mac. Visually most desktop environment can be themed. Cinnamon just got additions to be able to theme gnome apps globally I think? If you want to use a central dock like a Mac and have running apps at the top, that's just a master of setting that up on KDE.
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If older computer that works fine, I'd get a new 780m (Amd) mini pc. They support 3+ monitors, have 2 network ports allowing to "daisy chain" the old computer. No transfering of anything, or worrying about getting old stuff still working.
Deskflow is a mouse/keyboard sharing app. If you keep old computer in sleep mode you don't need extra keyboard/mouse, but power outages, mean that if you don't have a floor standing old pc you can stack old keyboard/mouse on top of, then you will need to occasionally plug in keyboard and mouse into old computer to get deskflow restarted (if you don't put it as autostart).
It's far more convenient than dual booting. Can use resources from both computers in network, and seemless mouse/keyboard focus. Switching 1 monitor for occasional use is better than dual booting, because rebooting on older computers especially is slow.
Deskflow needs a modern kernal linux distribution. Ubuntu 24.04 is recent enough. Linux mint has not upgraded kernel yet. AFAIU, the only difference between mint (recommended here) and Ubuntu is a slightly prettier version of kde.
If she's a Windows refugee, Linux Mint.
If she's a Mac refugee, fuck if I know.
If she's a IBM OS/2 refugee, please let me know how to get the drugs she's gotten. I want in.
Ubuntu for a Mac refugee. Definitely Mint for a Windows refugee.
I hate GNOME through and through, but it's a very polished interface and resembles Mac in a lot of ways.
Ubuntu is heresy. Canonical hath turned against the users.
Also, I'm genuinely curious: why do you hate GNOME?
Yeah...
See, I used to like Ubuntu, but then Canonical had to ruin it for me by betraying the principles that Linux stands for.
Ubuntu is a shadow of its former self, and it saddens me. 🙁
I hate GNOME because it feels like an iPhone.
I don't know much about what Ubuntu is doing but it surely can't be that bad.
I hate GNOME because it feels like an iPhone.
That's fair.
I don’t know much about what Ubuntu is doing but it surely can’t be that bad.
You would be surprised.
You know, I can see that.
Still, mac users use macs because they just want the computer to work.
And the Cosmic DE is rather new so can be a bit buggy from time to time. It might look mac-friendly, but its stability is still largely untested so caution may be advised before recommending it in my opinion.
If she's a Mac refugee, fuck if I know.
She could consider Linux Mint with KDE Plasma. KDE Plasma feels very like modern Mac, only nicer, to me.
KDE is not a Mint supported DE and the KDE files are not in the Mint repos.
This can be made to work if you're experienced but is definitely not a good idea for beginners. It will eventually break, and dependency hell is a thing.
For a KDE option suitable fir beginners, Fedora offers KDE as does Ubuntu, or there's KDE Neon
Is there a specific reason you are spamming the same single-line accusatory comment 7 times in this thread?
Combined with your account only being 10 days old if there's not more substance to a spammed accusation like that I'll just have to assume bad faith and block.
Tbf, my current laptop looks pretty similar, and I'm running Bazzite with KDE.
Lol Linux is awesome
Windows refugee: Linux Mint or Fedora KDE
Mac refugee: Linux Mint or Fedora KDE
PC gamer: Bazzite (or Linux Mint or Fedora KDE)
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The reason for this behavior in HTML is "because someone in the 90s said so", I'm afraid.
Mint Cinnamon. Just make sure to change the background before she sees it. The first impression is god awful with that stock background.
I think basically all the default backgrounds aren't great. There are a few passable ones but that's it.
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The one she likes... How about listening to her needs, and then show here some examples, and let her choose?
I'd present her with Mint and Ubuntu - and then what you know is her "style"...
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A lot of people are going to recommend you mint, I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite or aurora if you don't like gaming is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that bazzite and other immutables generate a new system for you on update and let you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lxqt is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
What exactly is easier about the installation than my suggestion?
the fedora community is just as large as the mint community, and just as well supported.
i'm not telling you to switch, I'm saying there's no reason to start with it if you haven't tried linux before. Switching is a much bigger choice because you are already comfortable.
Why would a beginner who isn't already comfortable choose mint?
Good points.
I will also add that Bazzite isn't just for beginners, it's just more friendly towards them. I've been running it for like a year now and it's just fantastic.
Almost boringly stable
Now hold on, everyone else is saying bazzite is built for gaming but did you just say it isn't or did I read that wrong?
She's definitely a gamer, currently working through AC shadows and horizon zero dawn I believe
I do believe her stuff should be immutable though, that would be a horrible experience for her and could make her want to run back to windows
I think Linux Mint would be a good first distro.
I recently learned about a project called Operese. It is a Windows to Linux migration tool that also sets up Kubuntu. Kubuntu is Ubuntu with the KDE desktop environment instead of the GNOME desktop environment. I don't know how well that tool works since I never tried it but it looks promising.
There is also a new project called Winboat that is meant to make it easier to install and use Windows software such as Adobe Photoshop
Why do you want to start a distro war?
Is this with the intent of trolling our community?
"Let many flowers blossom".
Linux Mint is the windows 7 experience of linux. It gets out of the way so you can work. It also has the best in-OS help tools. It's also a bit more conservative in terms of newest features, so it's a lot more reliable.
If she does PC gaming, you might want to look at Bazzite rather than Mint. It's a lot better equipped for non-technical people to start gaming. It's basically a preconfigured Fedora linux, so it's got a solid foundation. It's also something called an immutable distro, which basically means it's more difficult to break as the core OS is "read only" (to simplify).
In terms of migrating, best to avoid dual booting off a single disk. Microsoft keeps breaking Linux installs (probably on purpose). So best to install a second SSD.
Before you migrate, have her make a list of software she uses and the hardware she has. Best to post that on a forum like this to have more experienced people look for possible issues.
When it gets to migration day, if bitlocker is disabled, you can access your windows data from linux.
Also get her on Lemmy and asking questions directly. The best thing you can teach a low tech person is how to get help.
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Thx for the tip, will give it a try.
I got it from the protonup app that is pre installed.
Its both
It uses an atomic update system on an immutable base. They don't refer to the same thing, but you sort of need the one when you use the other for it to make sense.
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All the disteos With KDE Plasma
Mint for Windows refugees
Fedora for Mac Refugees
My choice:
Bazzite GNOME for Gamers, Children and Grandmas. It's pretty, is damn indestructible and has a speedy app store with loads of cool free apps.
I'd say Mint or Fedora KDE for windows converts. They're both good "just works" options, but KDE just by virtue of being more popular has excellent software and support that make it a great option.
Fedora w/ Gnome for Mac converts is a no brainer, and I'd add that you're probably going to want the Dash2Dock Lite or Dash2Dock Animated extension for a Mac convert.
Fedora w/ Gnome for Mac converts is a no brainer
I use Mac (I'll install Asahi Linux once it supports connecting a monitor) and hate GNOME and hate Aqua (the MacOS DE)
I personally prefer KDE
Fair. I think most people start with the assumption that users are coming from a workflow they preferred in the first place.
Out of curiosity, if you hate Aqua, why did you get a Mac? Is it an industry thing or a specific software?
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First, BACKUP EVERYTHING.
Then, the best distro is probably going to be the same you are currently using. You will not have to deal with issues that may be specific to one distro. There is enough difference from one computer to another to cause annoying issues, even on windows.
Fedora. I would not have said that two years, but I am blown away by how easy and up to date it is.
And I am normally an Arch person.
This really depends on her hardware specs and what applications she needs to use.
Without knowing any of that, I would suggest Linux Mint. It is desktop user focussed and a good general OS. It includes drivers and common software in their version of an app store.
Debian is my distro of choice, but is not ideal for a new Linux user.
I would suggest checking what apps she needs and making sure they are available on Linux, or that a close equivalent is. Any apps that will be replaced, try the replacement out on Windows first if available. For example Adobe Illustrator to Inkscape, or MS Office to Libre Office.
For data transfer:
- As others have said. Backup the current computer fully. This in probably best done on an external hard drive. Make sure you know how to reinstall windows and restore from the backup.
- Copy all her data onto a different external hard drive. This is not the backup. It is a separate drive.
- Make sure all the data is actually on the external hard drive and readable from a different machine. Ideally boot from a Lunx live USB and check that the data can be accessed from the external drive.
- Install her distro of choice.
- Copy her data from the external HDD to her user account's home folder of newly installed Linux.
I vastly prefer/recommend stable LTS distros. There are really 2 main families of distros for this:
- Linux Mint / Ubuntu LTS / Debian Stable (Ubuntu is based on Debian, Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS):
Basically endless amount of packages. Most people in the linux world have some familiarity with these so it shouldn't be hard to get help if you need it.
- Rocky linux / Almalinux / RHEL (Rocky and Alma aim to be compatible with RHEL software):
For desktop systems people usually opt for fedora, but that distro does not meet my own criteria. Biggest reason you'd use these is for professional VFX software support. For whatever reason a lot of that stuff only has official support for this family of distros. Not sure why!
Get good at 1 of these families of distros. If you aren't vibing with one its okay to switch to the other. Both have more cutting edge options if you desire them.
Linux Mint is a community favorite and very much is built with a desktop user in mind, but I don't think it's unreasonable to subject someone to learning any of the others even if they are more server focused. Everything I listed has atleast 5 years of support! If your fiancee isn't super tech literate, you'll probably be the one doing a lot of the system maintenance so keeping those major updates sparse is a very good thing. And of course, if you don't wanna learn 2 different sets of tools, try and keep in the same family of distros.
Also, for desktop environment don't choose anything crazy obscure. KDE & Gnome are most common, Cinnamon & XFCE are less common but IMO fine. Venture into others at your own peril.
Transfer process depends on what you mean. Transferring your files will probably just take time. I'm hopelessly unorganized so for me backing stuff up takes a few days of combing through a bunch of junk and copying to a flashdrive or cloud storage. Other people might have more efficient ways of dealing with this though.
If you mean software Libreoffice is great local office software, SMplayer is imo a good media player, GIMP, Inkscape, and Krita got art stuff covered. We're also at the point you can more or less run most windows software on linux with enough fiddling, but that obviously isn't ideal.
Your biggest hurdle moving to linux full time will be understanding commands when you inevitably do need to change configuration of something with the terminal. If you need help there are usually forums, IRC, matrix, etc.
Happy computing!
To add one more thing about Bazzite Gnome, as suggested above/below: next to it looking like Fedora, it comes with a thing built in called Distrobox, which is a way of quickly running different mini versions of Linux within Bazzite. This means you can run little Ubuntu/Mint/Fedora/Arch installations and use their package managers. If an app is missing on Bazzite, start up distrobox and install it there instead. It even works for GUI apps.
(This is more of a pro feature though- you don't explicitly need it, but it gives you massive flexibility, which is normally hidden away.)
Distro:
- First choice: Mint Cinnamon
- If the GPU is very shitty: Elementary OS (Mint Cinnamon expects a basic level of GPU performance)
- If Mint/Elementary are too simple: Fedora KDE
Process:
- For fully switching: Obtain an external hard drive, copy the contents of the Windows partition(s) to it and install your preferred distro so that it takes over the entire computer. This is the most stable way.
- For dual booting: Buy an SSD for Linux, disconnect the Windows drive and install your distro of choice so that it takes up the entire space. Reconnect the Windows drive afterwards and set boot priorities in UEFI.
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Don't frontload them with information, but teach them one thing: How search for and install packages through the GUI (Mint Software Manager/Elementary Store/KDE Discover). Tell them that it's more like a smartphone apps and downloading software from websites should be a last resort.
Mint has basically contained bad decision making by Ubuntu and individual versions are supported for 5 years. The average computer lasts 6 before replacement.
Mint is fairly future proof I think.
Oh, I agree, nothing wrong with mint. I just like the fact that the LMDE version is Debian based and works with everything I’ve thrown it at.
Figure proof of they ever decide to switch away from Ubuntu and mainline LMDE. Probably won’t happen, but makes me feel better anyway 😀.
Just straight up Bazzite to be honest.
Fedora by itself is too Puritan for stuff not fully foss in their default repos
Put Linux on one of those spare hard drives and simply mount the existing drive as a second drive in Linux.
This will give you access to all your current files from within Linux without having to do anything. Move over what you want and need as you use Linux. At some point, you will probably want to reformat the original Windows drive for extra space. You could consider mounting it as /home at that point.
Choosing a distro is a matter of taste. I can tell you though that I have moved a few Windows users to Linux Mint and they are all happy with it. My last one was LMDE (Mint with a Debian base).
Everyone hypes Mint but if you're working with newish hardware you might have a bad time due to the drivers taking a while to mature and filter down through all the distros. If her rig is a couple years old it should work just fine though. I would also suggest trying out Kubuntu, Pop!_OS, PikaOS, and Zorin if that is the case.
If she is on brand new hardware then something Arch based is the way to go IMO. CachyOS, Garuda, and EndeavorOS are all Arch based distros that make setup easy and they've all worked great for me out of the box. Honestly if you have snapshots configured with timeshift or something being on a rolling distro isn't as scary as it's made out to be. Fedora is an option too as they get updates every 6 months, but there is a little extra setup to do after install like media codecs and proprietary drivers etc.
Cachyos was my personal pick and it's working perfect for me so far.
Coming up on 10 years since I switched from windows to Linux. I tried Ubuntu and absolutely hated it, so much so that I switched back to windows at first. But I kept reading and tried ZorinOS, and that got me comfortable with Linux, it was a little buggy but I could understand it.
After a few months with ZorinOS I switched to Linux Mint and have been running Mint for 9 years. Recently my 76 year old mother who has trouble with some basic computer stuff said she'd like to try Linux and asked me to help her, I made a live USB of Mint for her to try and she told me "I can understand this, it's like windows 7!". If she can get Mint, I feel totally confident recommending it to new users.
1) Nice username, lol.
2) Agreed, I wasn't even looking for the Win 7 experience, I was just still getting the hang of Linux and Mint was repeatedly recommended everywhere I looked. At this point I'm just comfortable with Mint and so I stick with it, and since I value reliability of cutting edge, it gives me what I need in a computer.
Yup and it will never slow down with time or start to annoy you with ads or tracking like every windows version in existance.
If the general public understood how they should spend a few days learning a basic Linux distro.... That would be great.
Did this with my SO, they have mint like me. And they like it!
They wanted puppy linux though xD
I'm honestly astounded at how many people are suggesting Mint. I recently switched full time to linux and even as a software dev, Mint has to be one of the worst experiences I've had with a computer. Not only driver issues, but software issues and general buginess. Along with being butt-ugly, I do not think any windows user is going to confuse Mint for Windows.
I switched my wife to Bazzite (not necessarily recommending that) and she literally didn't notice it was a different operating system (even though I told her it was and walked her through it). Bazzite has a nice UI for installing pretty much anything a normie would be thinking to install. The only issue we've had so far is that Dropbox just outright does not work on it. I've filed a bug with them and have been awaiting a response from their dev team for like two months now. I'm sure they'll fix it eventually, but if you need the Dropbox UI (you can use rsync otherwise) then don't choose Bazzite.
As for myself, after trying out like 6 different OSes, I settled on CachyOS. There are still issues, but it's pretty dang stable and they're very fast to fix issues. It's not for a person not willing to touch a terminal at least once though.
Always great to see more people curious about Linux, especially when the motivation is escaping ms-bullshit..
If she wants something that just works but still feels polished and professional, I’d actually give openSUSE a look. Leap is rock-solid and perfect for people who want a stable system that behaves consistently and doesn’t demand much maintenance. Tumbleweed, on the other hand, is rolling release, so it’s always up to date but still surprisingly reliable thanks to openSUSE’s testing process.
Both use YaST, which is one of the best control panels in the Linux world. You can do a lot with YaST, like manage users, partitions, updates, drivers, and networking all from one place without ever touching the terminal.
Mint is also a fine choice as well....
Bazzite, i tried arch and then realized the whole wiki was like a uni level symposium and was burning through steps, kept doing instead of understanding, etc...
It's probably amazing, but since my only interaction with linux back then was being forced to use it at uni and windows, I really wanted a good experience of what linux could be. I needed it to work out of the box and be unbreakable, so I went with bazzite.
It's great, and I am digging the immutable aspect even if it broke my brain for any dev work, but once you learn how to use an immutable system (still figuring it out tbh) it's solid, easy, and works great.
Really wished there was more resources on immutable systems for newcomers though XD
I think you will eventually get tired of all the workarounds needed for immutable systems. Its a nice idea but full of pain when actually wanting to use the computer to do actual work.
But its ok! Everyone tries different things in the Linux world and we all just enjoy the ride.
Its not particularly crazy, most things can be installed via flathub. If something isnt there, install it through distrobox (you can install things through the AUR, packages like rpm and deb, etc). And if that doesn't work, install the app directly through rpm-ostree (only thing I did this with was a vpn app, you can point to a .rpm file for this). I use flathub for the vast majority of things, I think I only have two apps installed outside of it.
What's great is nothing ever breaks this way. Ever. It all works. Broken upgrades haven't happened to me after a year of using this, meanwhile I had plenty on debian and small distros like manjaro, mint, cachyos, nobara.
There are two “just works” distros I recommend to new users: Bazzite or Fedora.
Start with Bazzite. It is familiar and has lots of guardrails so it’s nearly impossible to break.
If you decide you want more control over your system later, switch to Fedora KDE.
If you decide you want even more control and flexibility, consider CachyOS or OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
You will see Mint recommended a lot, but I don’t like it. The default desktop — Cinnamon — is very Windows 95, and I much prefer KDE Plasma, which doesn’t work well on Mint. Mint also has driver issues with newer hardware. But if you like retro and your hardware is older, give it a try.
Avoid Pop_OS right now. It’ll probably be amazing in a year, but the new Cosmic desktop (currently a beta) has a lot of annoying bugs with common linux GUI packages.
Here are some tips once you have chosen:
You can change your desktop environment later.
If you do your install with seperate partitions for /home and others, leave 10% unallocated. Also make /bin about 15gb and /boot about 1.5gb. When you eventually run out of space, you can use KDE Partition manager to add the unallocated space to the partition you need, even if you set up encryption (gparted doesn't play well with encryption). You can install Partition manager as a package, you don't need to use KDE Plasma.
Using a drive mirror is a good idea. Maybe use it the second time you install.
If you want to use a cool filesys like zfs, just use btrfs for now (licensing issues). Ext4 will also work for desktop user needs.
If you go with Debian, you can add repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list file. But it is a one-way trip, so before adding sid, consider running your program in a vm. Non-free non-free-firmware and contrib are fine
I know, it sounds odd, but: Arch!
Once my best friend wanted to try linux. So he asked me, which distro to use. I gave him an honest answer: "I use Arch. But for beginners I would recommend Mint."
He don't gave a shit and installed Arch anyways 😅 - with success! That's when I noticed, that the Arch Wiki is actually SO GOOD, that even a newbie can install Arch without any help. It's just a bit more time expensive, compared to distros with an installer. However, there are some huge benefits, that made me switch to Arch:
- I used Ubuntu on my daily driver before. However "stable" packages means in this case "antique". A 3 years old version of Sway isn't more stable than the newest release version.
- I never survived a dist-upgrade. That's why i prefer a roling release linux today.
- Your system is slim, because you only install what you really need. Also you know your system this way.
- Especially for gaming it's good to have the newest kernel + drivers.
However, you should also notice the down sides. Sometimes an update breaks something. It doesn't happens often, but it happens. A few years ago the bluetooth stack was broken, so i wasn't able to use my headset during a meeting. However they released a fix like a few hours later, so I just needed to update. But still: That's something to consider too.
I don't know. With these weapons...
Kyle Reese meme from Terminator (1984)Listen. And understand. That LLM is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until they run out of money.
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How close are we to solid state batteries for electric vehicles? - Ars Technica
Every few weeks, it seems, yet another lab proclaims yet another breakthrough in the race to perfect solid-state batteries: next-generation power packs that promise to give us electric vehicles (EVs) so problem-free that we’ll have no reason left to buy gas-guzzlers.These new solid-state cells are designed to be lighter and more compact than the lithium-ion batteries used in today’s EVs. They should also be much safer, with nothing inside that can burn like those rare but hard-to-extinguish lithium-ion fires. They should hold a lot more energy, turning range anxiety into a distant memory with consumer EVs able to go four, five, six hundred miles on a single charge.
And forget about those “fast” recharges lasting half an hour or more: Solid-state batteries promise EV fill-ups in minutes—almost as fast as any standard car gets with gasoline.
This may all sound too good to be true—and it is, if you’re looking to buy a solid-state-powered EV this year or next. Look a bit further, though, and the promises start to sound more plausible. “If you look at what people are putting out as a road map from industry, they say they are going to try for actual prototype solid-state battery demonstrations in their vehicles by 2027 and try to do large-scale commercialization by 2030,” says University of Washington materials scientist Jun Liu, who directs a university-government-industry battery development collaboration known as the Innovation Center for Battery500 Consortium.
Indeed, the challenge is no longer to prove that solid-state batteries are feasible. That has long since been done in any number of labs around the world. The big challenge now is figuring out how to manufacture these devices at scale, and at an acceptable cost.
How close are we to solid state batteries for electric vehicles?
Superionic materials promise greater range, faster charges and more safety.Knowable Magazine (Ars Technica)
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How close are we to solid state batteries for electric vehicles? - Ars Technica
Every few weeks, it seems, yet another lab proclaims yet another breakthrough in the race to perfect solid-state batteries: next-generation power packs that promise to give us electric vehicles (EVs) so problem-free that we’ll have no reason left to buy gas-guzzlers.These new solid-state cells are designed to be lighter and more compact than the lithium-ion batteries used in today’s EVs. They should also be much safer, with nothing inside that can burn like those rare but hard-to-extinguish lithium-ion fires. They should hold a lot more energy, turning range anxiety into a distant memory with consumer EVs able to go four, five, six hundred miles on a single charge.
And forget about those “fast” recharges lasting half an hour or more: Solid-state batteries promise EV fill-ups in minutes—almost as fast as any standard car gets with gasoline.
This may all sound too good to be true—and it is, if you’re looking to buy a solid-state-powered EV this year or next. Look a bit further, though, and the promises start to sound more plausible. “If you look at what people are putting out as a road map from industry, they say they are going to try for actual prototype solid-state battery demonstrations in their vehicles by 2027 and try to do large-scale commercialization by 2030,” says University of Washington materials scientist Jun Liu, who directs a university-government-industry battery development collaboration known as the Innovation Center for Battery500 Consortium.
Indeed, the challenge is no longer to prove that solid-state batteries are feasible. That has long since been done in any number of labs around the world. The big challenge now is figuring out how to manufacture these devices at scale, and at an acceptable cost.
How close are we to solid state batteries for electric vehicles?
Superionic materials promise greater range, faster charges and more safety.Knowable Magazine (Ars Technica)
Some Texas National Guard troops replaced in Illinois after failing to meet standards
Some Texas National Guard troops replaced in Illinois after failing to meet standards
An unspecified amount of Texas National Guard troops were replaced in Chicago, shortly after photos of their appearance were mocked.Nicholas Slayton (Task & Purpose)
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eDEX-UI. Any other software like this?
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I mean...if you just want a text-based working environment, there are plenty, but nothing as a full DE that I'm aware for a number of reasons.
I think VTM is the one that is most like what you posted, but there are also other terminal environments that act similar to eDEX, but I would lump more in the IDE category.
Wow, that looks amazing! How does running a browser like Firefox work on this? Just runs a window regularly?
EDIT: never mind, just noticed that eDEX is not maintained since 2021 🙁
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GitHub - andreas-hartmann/xdex-ui: A cross-platform, customizable science fiction terminal emulator with advanced monitoring & touchscreen support.
A cross-platform, customizable science fiction terminal emulator with advanced monitoring & touchscreen support. - andreas-hartmann/xdex-uiGitHub
Its supposedly open source??
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GitHub - Wimberton/Palia-FENTRY: Palia FENTRY is the most powerful cheat available for Palia. It's completely free, and comes with tons of overpowered features like Instant Fishing, ESPs, Silent Aim, Teleport to entities, and more!
Palia FENTRY is the most powerful cheat available for Palia. It's completely free, and comes with tons of overpowered features like Instant Fishing, ESPs, Silent Aim, Teleport to entities, and ...GitHub
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Look like those are some sort of cheats? and cheats often work just like a virus would and therefore get flagged as potentially harmful. So it's not really surprising at all.
However, I can't confirm whether these particular ones are just false flagged or have actual malware.
Just like with any pirated apps and games, use cheats at your own risk.
GE-Proton10-18 Released
Proton (upstream):
- dxvk updated to latest git
- vkd3d-proton/vkd3d updated to latest git
- wine updated to latest bleeding-edge
- dxvk-nvapi updated to latest git
- proton script game fixes imported from upstream
- vrclient fixes imported from upstream
- wineopenxr fixes imported from upstream
- makefile.in build fixes imported from upstream
Proton(em-10/wine-wayland)
- imported fsr4 fixes/updates from em-10
- imported wine-wayland (and additional) patches from em-10
- imported imported ntsync ubisoft connect fix from em-10
- imported x11 locale enablement patches/files
- fixed issue with Wine-wayland driver causes the game screen to not fit the screen size when size chosen larger than screen size.
Proton(GE):
- enabled wine writecopy option for ea/ubisoft/battlenet launchers
Protonfixes:
- fixed issue with wine mono not getting removed fully (dotnet40+ should install now via winetricks)
- fixed protonfix issue where it would quit instead of trying to create parent directory for config if it doesnt exist.
- reverted a change that made vcrun2022 install instead of vcrun2019, which can lead to some games breaking
- added fix for blue protocol star resonance videos to work
- Fix Battle Engine Aquila overlapping sound
- Company of Heroes 2 and Company of Heroes 3 Mp Desync fix
Release GE-Proton10-18 Released · GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom
Proton (upstream): dxvk updated to latest git vkd3d-proton/vkd3d updated to latest git wine updated to latest bleeding-edge dxvk-nvapi updated to latest git proton script game fixes imported from ...GitHub
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50% of German physicians joined the Nazi Party, twice the proportion of any other profession
German Doctors’ Motives to Becoming Nazi’s
Introduction Human beings have a disturbingly great capacity for destruction, and when examining perpetrators in genocides and other atrocities, it is often surprising to note the participation of ...Willemot, Victoire
My social worker says I have to come out if I want them to use the correct name and pronouns.
Hi, so I'm a high school student and I happen to be trans FtM. I know I'm quite young, but I do believe in the importance of supporting trans people, even young people just in general.
I was born a girl (obviously) but now I'm a guy named Anthony. When I came out to my social worker "Mrs. A" (not her real name or initial), she said that she was proud of me for coming out, but that if I wanted teachers to refer to me as "male", "he/him", Anthony, etc. that I'd have to come out to my legal guardian.
The thing is my guardian isn't the most supportive of trans people. I came out to him a few years ago and he said I was just a confused girl and that "the left was just pushing their agenda onto me". He loves me, I'm sure he does, but he definitely wouldn't support me.
I told my therapist and a good friend of mine and both of them said that was breaking a rule of confidentiality. My sister told me that too. My therapist wonders if it's to get it changed on paperwork or something but says that if I want to be called Anthony at school, there should be no problem.
What do you all think?
I'm not sure if they're the same thing, but back in my day we had a "School Counselor". I told her all about how my mom was abusing us, which backfired on me when she straight up told my mom everything I had said.
Hopefully it's changed on the last couple decades, but back then school counselors weren't required to have any accreditations and had no restriction on privacy.
That was when I learned the employees of the school are there to protect the school, not the students. You should be careful what you share until you've determined what sort of confidentiality you're guaranteed and what training this person has. Outing you or requiring you to out yourself are both pretty messed up to recommend.
POV: The highest paid engineer at your company gets fired
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GitHub - Droogans/unmaintainable-code: A more maintainable, easier to share version of the infamous mindprod.com/jgloss/unmain.html
A more maintainable, easier to share version of the infamous http://mindprod.com/jgloss/unmain.html - Droogans/unmaintainable-codeGitHub
Prince Andrew told Jeffrey Epstein ‘we’re in this together’ in 2011 email
Prince Andrew told Jeffrey Epstein ‘we’re in this together’ in 2011 email
Royal sent email after Virginia Giuffre photo emerged but later claimed he had ceased contact with Epstein in 2010Robert Booth (The Guardian)
The Big Tech Walkout 2025 - full programme
The Big Tech Walkout 2025
Here is the full detailed programme for the Big Tech Walkout 2025.Patrick Leavy (The Rebel Blog)
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For the cookies, Consent-o-matic could help with that. It doesn’t work on all pages, but it speeds things up.
I've always wondered about cookie consent. After arriving at a website, are the cookies in suspended animation until you click 'reject' or 'accept'. It would seem that session cookies can't help but already be on your HDD, however, 3rd party cookies might not be until you click 'accept' or pick and choose which ones you want to keep. I've never really done in depth research on cookies on my HDD. I have 'Strict' and 'Max Protection' settings in Firefox, and I use Cookie AutoDelete set to delete all cookies after 1 sec. This might be an exercise to explore on my network.
This is meant for beginners in the privacy space, and as such, it tries to minimize complications and barriers to entry.
Installing Linux is a nuclear option for most people. Of they see that, they just...won't, and also won't complete the rest. Make it easy.
Also, the article mentions this is not the end. Next year may come with harder things, including - yes - Linux.
We will get to that in the Big Tech Walkout 2026 programme. This is for people who have no idea about tech, and struggle to know the difference between a search engine and a browser. Imagine them trying to install Linux 😂
Baby steps
I agree that baby steps are important. So many of the less techy people I know have become so accustomed to being annoyed at tech that they just suppress it, thinking that there is no alternative. I've been told a few times that my freely incandescent rage at technology is validating because "if even [I] are frustrated at things, then it's not just a problem of [them] being bad at tech".
Step one is acknowledging the problem
On my phone, this page has a black background and very dark gray text. It is a nightmare to read.
It appears to be because I'm running NoScript. Turning it off for the domain made the text white. I'm not sure why the site needs Javascript to be readable.
American politics has devolved into shitposting and aura farming
American politics has devolved into shitposting and aura farming
A viral man in a frog balloon suit facing off against ICE is the key to understanding how the internet-poisoned politics of the second Trump presidency work.Sarah Jeong (The Verge)
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‘Israel’s Reel Extremism’ - A Startling Documentary from Zeteo
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Use hashtags for greater visibility on Mastodon
I've followed all the frequent posters on piefed.social using my mastodon.social account so we should be seeing a lot more PieFed content showing up there now. But unless you use hashtags, I'll be the only one seeing it!
When making your post, put a few words into the Tags field below the Body field, separated by a comma. No need to include the # character.
I think Mint is using my CPU for rendering instead of my GPU, how do I fix that?
I have a Nvidia GPU, which I understand is problematic with Linux. I've heard this is something can happen, so I assume it's why the "Cinnamon" process is using around 20-40% CPU resources at all times. So, how do I switch to using GPU for that? I've installed Nvidia drivers through the driver manager already
Edit: I figured it out, SecureBoot was turned on on the UEFI-level. I disabled it and reinstalled Mint, and it seems to work now.
is nvidia-smi and lspci outputting the correct information about the gpu and the processes using it?
what happens when you try a game? i've had many issues with cinnamon+nvidia before even when everything else is working well, so its gonna be useful to narrow it down a bit.
The Debian docs were really useful for me in setting up my 3090 on Debian proper.
Since Mint is downstream, maybe they will help you.
Arab states expanded cooperation with Israeli military during Gaza war, files show
Even as key Arab states condemned the war in the Gaza Strip, they quietly expanded security cooperation with the Israeli military, leaked U.S. documents reveal. Those military ties were thrown into crisis after Israel’s September airstrike in Qatar, but could now play a key role in overseeing the nascent ceasefire in Gaza.
Over the past three years, facilitated by the United States, senior military officials from Israel and six Arab countries came together for planning meetings in Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan and Qatar.
Qatar, whose capital was struck on Sept. 9 by Israeli missiles targeting Hamas leaders, was one of the countries that had quietly strengthened ties with the Israeli military. In May 2024. A planning document for the event, written two days before it was set to begin, shows that the Israeli delegation was scheduled to fly directly to the air base, circumventing Qatar’s civilian points of entry that could have risked public exposure.
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Israel-backed gangs kill Palestinian journalist in Gaza City
Saleh Aljafarawi, a well-known Palestinian journalist, was fatally shot in Gaza City on Saturday, just days after a Gaza ceasefire agreement was announced.
Various media reports suggest that Aljafarawi was killed when Hamas security forces had surrounded members of an armed militia.
Aljafarawi was cornered by armed men and killed with seven gunshots to his body.
The New Arab reported that Aljafrawi was targeted and killed by Israel-backed armed collaborator gangs while documenting the extensive destruction in the Sabra neighbourhood following the withdrawal of Israeli troops.
Israel-backed gangs kill Palestinian journalist in Gaza City
Israel has killed over 250 journalists in Gaza since October 2023.TRT World
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Will the US Attack Venezuela?
- All the elements are in place for a strike inside Venezuela
- Diplomatic relations with Venezuela have been broken since 2019.
- In 2020, the US indicted President Maduro for narco-terrorism, placing a $15 million bounty on him, subsequently raised to $25m and now $50m.
- On January 20, Trump took office. Executive Order 14157 declared a “national emergency” and designated international drug-trafficking groups as “foreign terrorist organizations” (FTOs) and “specially designated global terrorists,” citing authority under the Alien Enemies Act.
- By February, Secretary of State Marco Rubio argued that FTOs posed an “existential threat” and laid the groundwork for treating cartels allegedly linked to President Maduro as enemy combatants.
- In May, the administration opened the path to use military force against FTOs.
- Then in July, a “secret directive” authorized military operations against FTOs at sea and on foreign soil.
- By August, the US launched a massive naval deployment off the coast of Venezuela. By October, troop deployment reportedly reached 10,000.
- On September 2, the US blew up the first of four or five alleged drug boats in international waters off of Venezuela, resulting in extrajudicial murders of the crews.
- By mid-September, the Pentagon notified Congress under the War Powers Resolution that US forces were engaged in a “non-international armed conflict” with drug cartels.
- This was followed on October 1 by the Defense Department’s “confidential memo” and more congressional briefings that the US was engaged in armed conflict.
- Trump then terminated the last back-channel diplomatic contacts with Venezuela.
Will the US Attack Venezuela?
By Roger D. Harris on October 10, 2025 Spoiler alert – it already has. This is not a glib answer but a comment on the nature of the conflict. The US mission to wrench Venezuela’s Bolivarian Revolut…Resumen LatinoAmericano English
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The most convincing argument of why nothing will happen is that an another forever war would basically sacrifice Taiwan, Ukraine and Iran project. US is peaceful when all the warhawks can't agree on what country they should coup or bomb next.
This Gaza seize fire could however mean that they want to give themselves some space to either go after Iran again or attempt to do Venezuela quickly.
I think it would look more like Iraq or Afghanistan than Vietnam. The USA would destroy the existing regime within days, but it isn't going to be able to snuff out the various post war factions to create a viable country for years to come.
The war would be won, but the occupation would be lost. Even if other countries don't fund the resistance, there is always cocaine and that funded FARC for decades.
You need boots on the ground if you want a change in regime.
They'll otherwise just move underground like Iran did, and keep hold of power through gangs (which they already control).
I'm sure the opposition won't live long in the country if the US attacked, so as to make sure no one's able to lead a revolution.
It won’t be as terrible as Vietnam since they’re a lot further from arms suppliers than Vietnam but Venezuela still has a significant military
What? It'll be worse than Vietnam because the enemy is even closer.
The US portion of the Vietnam war killed ~3 million Vietnamese, Lao, and Cambodian people. US bombings in Cambodia during the war lead to the fall of the neutral Cambodian government and the rise of the Khmer Rouge. Immediately before the US portion of the Vietnam war, the French killed hundreds of thousands more. Immediately before that was fighting against Japan and France during WW2. Immediately before that, fighting France for freedom. The Vietnam war was incredibly long and killed millions and set Cambodia towards a genocidal regime.
For Venezuela to be worse, millions would have to killed. Hundreds of thousands killed in neighboring countries. Chemical warfare employed that would lead to birth defects for decades to come. A neighboring country be bombed to civil war where a genocidal dictator rises power and commits a genocide. Venezuela then be successfully sanctioned to an extreme level of poverty for nearly 20+ years
The sanctioning power is already falling apart and non-US centric trade routes are a lot more mature than the 50-90s. The US military runs with extremely expensive equipment compared to the 60s/70s. Slow to build. War in Venezuela means it can't sustain a war in Europe, the west Pacific, or the Middle East. Russia-Ukraine, Iraq and Afghanistan, Ethiopia-Tigray civil war, Sudan civil war. Got to add up numerous wars to compare to just the US portion of the Vietnam war
Also the US lost like 60,000 people in Vietnami believe France lost a similar amount as the US in the post-WW2 portion of the war
Going back to the Korean war, that too was far more brutal than people bother to learn
The Internet and the large Latin American population in the US may also lead to far more unrest in the US compared to Vietnam war American unrest. Venezuelan immigrants are substantial in the US compared to Viet people in the US during the Vietnam war
The brutality of Vietnam and Korea is like taking the European portion of WW2 and putting them in single countries. Carpet bombing, fire bombing, massacre after massacre. There's been nothing comparable since. The wars in Africa have had way less difference in killing equipment between the factions compared to Vietnam and Korea and strategy has shifted from destroying everything to being more economical with military equipment. Recall that the US had major factions pushing to use nukes in both Korea and Vietnam. I doubt that'll be the case for Venezuela
European and by extension American, Australian, South African, etc colonialism were far more genocidal than people get taught. By the 50s it was a lot less genocidal and look how that went. The previous centuries, elimination and replacement of local populations weren't unpopular ideas, just impractical and not understood how to yet
"significant" can somewhat describe it yeah, but it somehow feels a little generous. taurus makes notoriously shit weapons and i doubt there is any political will from this admin to support venezuela on this.
for once we can hope our moguls get that greedy but they will do what they can to stop as much help from crossing that border as they possibly can.
i'm curious but i do NOT want to find out on this one.
Every day I wish for the ability to go back in time to stop the release of that idiotic movie Wag thr Dog. This is not a cohesive explanation. It's clear he will face no consequences for being a child rapist. Which should make sense considering he is overseeing the largest modern day rape and genocide opetation possible, why would his hogs draw a line there?
You follow my reasoning here? There's so much more to what producrs the jingoistic US leadership ideology than accomplishing petty personal goals. The US lives off of predating on poor countries like this, and their development is a fundamental threat to its way of life.
Not declined military, but there have been a real significant shift to special forces. I think these groups will still be utilized for foreign industry interest. It's pretty effective.
Ironically, assuming we don't destroy our own infrastructure, a modern police state might better fit for the lionshare of US military. Lack of infrastructure and basic services were a huge part of the reconstruction or whatever failing in both states. Plus air superiority just comes free.
Anti-insurgency and occupation are really the only thing the military at large has proved itself capable of supporting.
I don't think we have the capacity to invade hold, and strip mine Venezuela, but with Europe looking East, I guess we could shift to a wartime economy and make it a project.
I like the optimism, but they have been manufacturing consent for a war against Venezuela for a long time now, even here in south america. they have also been preparing the opposition for a long time. Honestly, Venezuela is probably happening in a way closer to the customary coups in latin america.
I also doubt they would let their military decline so much when it's one of the only things they have an upper hand on these days. I guess we will see how they do in a full blown direct invasion like this in a country that can defend itself.
Why Signal over Jabber/XMPP?
Over the past few years I have gone through a bunch of different apps and protocols to find the best one for "securely" communicating with my family and friends.
I ended up with the amazing XMPP protocol and my family/friends frequently use its clients to contact me.
Monal for IOS and Cheogram/Conversations/Quicksy for Android. The android app I install depends on if I can get F-Droid on their phone or not.
It's been great with OMEMO encryption and the clients/apps available for XMPP. But sometimes I have issues introducing people to it.
Jabber (friendly name for xmpp) sounds silly to say. The clients all have weird names. And after trying the Signal mobile app it feels more focused than what anyone in the XMPP community has whipped up.
But the capabilities of XMPP makes it better.
Signal Cons (immediete)
- Centralized
- Single app
- Phone numbers
XMPP/Jabber Cons
- Picking server
- Apps are sort of less friendly
What really scares me about Signal is the centralization. Any nerd can easily host an XMPP server these days. But Signal from what I've heard really wants us to use their server.
If XMPP gets more attention I'm sure we can get people supporting projects and creating better apps.
I keep seeing people recommended Signal instead.
This is a bit of a tired ramble. What I wanna know is why anyone is preferring Signal over XMPP apps. I assume it might be not knowing about it. Tell me what you use to message people.
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Signal is the best intersection of genuine security and ease-of-use that I've ever seen. No choosing a server, no making an account. Just install the app, get a confirmation SMS, and now you can communicate with future-proof encryption and authentication right away.
For more technical people, who aren't going to be intimidated by things like making accounts and secure passwords and choosing servers, Signal is not the best. But when I need to communicate securely with non-technical people, it's a wonderful quick go-to solution.
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I'm in two large groups and quite a number of smaller ones.
For the most part, I have notifications muted on most things, except for a couple of very small groups that don't get chats often.
I'm not sure exactly what notification style I'm using because I can't remember, but I do know that I do not have Google Play Services or Google Apps of any sort.
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Well I seached for "jabber" and found Trillian as fourth or so hit. Dunno how good it's on Apple, but I seem to remember using a PC build somewhen with no negative memories. It's free.
Your concerns till now seem like rambling. Or general, as in: How do I make people leave WA, which is, admittedly, complicated.
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You cant make anyone do anything, you can entice them over.
To do that they need to be simple and easy to use, what you're describing is already more complicated than downloading signal or WhatsApp, signing up, and starting.
Android's bullshit made me quit XMPP. We needed instant messages to be instant but Android kept making that harder and harder until it was impossible.
With Signal we're still fighting but it works a little bit better due to integration with the messenger service or whatever it's called. Dunno, maybe XMPP can work with that as well by now.
Sigh, I want my Linux phone where I can control battery life vs availability myself.
I'm not going to push anyone who uses a secure decentralized FOSS chat already to signal, but someone who uses telegram/viber/whatsapp is easier to get gradually on signal, which is super low effort compared to the ones you mentioned.
I've tried. I'm happy that I got friends and family to move from SMS and WhatsApp to Signal. Some I got to move to e.g. matrix but that's only a few.
Just my two cents since you asked. I agree with you but I don't want perfect to be the enemy of good.
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There's nothing wrong with Signal's centralization model in a worrying sense. It acts only as a clueless message relay, and it has near-zero information on any of its users, even as it delivers messages from person to person. The only information Signal knows is if a phone number is registered and the last time it connected to the server. There is great care taken to make sure everything else is completely end-to-end encrypted and unknowable, even by subpoena.
The only real issue with Signal's centralization is that if Signal the company goes down, then all clients can no longer work until someone stands up a new server to act as a relay again. Signal isn't the endgame of privacy, but it's the best we have right now for a lot of usecases, and it's the only one I've had any luck converting normies to as it's very polished and has a lot of features. IMO, by the time the central Signal server turns into an actual problem we'll hopefully have excellent options available to migrate to.
Also TMK, the only reason you still need a phone number for Signal is to combat spam. You can disable your phone number being shown to anyone else in the app and only use temporary invite codes to connect with people, so I don't count the phone number as a huge problem, though the requirement does still annoy me as it makes having multiple accounts more difficult and asserts a certain level of privilege.
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Government Communication
When legally forced to provide information to government or law enforcement agencies, we'll disclose the transcripts of that communication here.Signal Messenger
No, and in fact they have fought to unseal and publish the articles they have. The point is that if you read the subpoenas, they request a lot of data from Signal and Signal can only ever return the phone number, account creation date, and last connected timestamp. So either Signal is consistently lying to various governments or they actually don't have any of that data. Signal's client is also open-source and has been audited, and they have published many blogposts about how the technology works.
I'd strongly recommend digging deeper into this and trusting the auditors and experts instead of dismissing it based on lazy and cynical guesses. If you don't trust anyone you're welcome to read the source code of the client yourself. Soatok recently posted an 8-part series going through Signal's encryption that you can read as a primer: soatok.blog/2025/02/18/reviewi…
Reviewing the Cryptography Used by Signal - Dhole Moments
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I'm not the one that is not listening. I don't care about the ones they post. I care about the ones they don't. I trust they client code. I don't trust ANYONES server side code. Their encryption is top of the line and an industry standard. But is DOES NOT hide your IP, the time of the day you send messages
ONCE AGAIN (this is the third time I'm saying this) I like and recommend signal. I have no evil motives nor I'm trying to be paranoid. But let's not pretend they are perfect.
If you are hurt because I said mean things about a company you base your personality on, that is not my problem.
From the blog you provided. Next time. Read your sources
In the absolute worst case, a totally malicious Signal Server can perform traffic analysis to correlate the IP address assigned to the messages arriving with the delivery token for a recipient.
And
Sealed Sender cannot totally hide the recipient (else the server wouldn’t know where to route the messages).
Edit: removed the word "moron". I'm not a native English speaker and I thought it meant something else. It seems its like "retard" which I wouldn't use as an insult. I've used it so much...
Signal is really simple and has a sizable userbase now. I've worked with people in non-tech companies and they'll have signal installed because theres someone in management that cares for security to a degree and does official nonofficial team communication with signal
Element/Matrix I think has a chance. The newest Element X app looks a lot better on the phone and on desktop. It's progressing to good user experience
I’ve used XMPP since shortly after it was developed. I still use it today.
HOWEVER, while the clients are relatively good, as long as they support the extensions you want to use, I’ve found maintaining the server to be a royal headache. Between protocol and extension improvements, security updates and general server instability, I find that it’s a constant struggle to have it running and compatible with whatever client someone is using, when someone actually uses it.
Signal, on the other hand, pretty much always works, has a single client, and nobody has to worry about managing the server except Signal. So as infrastructure, it makes a lot more sense.
I use Telegram. Eek? It's just my wife and I though. All these things I've heard about Telegram? Never actually seen them in mine. I have looked at groups, but I've only seen memes, crypto crap, and what look like scams ("post this in 5 Reddit threads to get invited to the actual group"). There's nothing of value out there that I've seen. So I just use it to message my wife, because texting wasn't good enough when we started using it (both our phones have RCS now) and I don't use Facebook, and she doesn't have an iPhone (so, no iMessage).
I completely reject this notion that you have to pick one and stay with it. My messaging apps include iMessage, Session, Signal, and Telegram. I also have a fork of Telegram that lets me use it from my watch (as in, it has a watch companion; official Telegram does not). I also have Discord (need it for a couple things).
I totally agree with you. But!
But Signal from what I've heard really wants us to use their server.
Signal doesn't have their own servers. Instead, they rent servers from 4 companies, 3 of them is Google, Amazon, and Microsoft. So Signal is relying on Big Tech and if Big Tech decides that enough is enough, they can easily shut Signal down.
THAT is what I find most terrifying. And why not use their own server? Not enough money, but they are working on it (good).
And to make it a little bit worst: Signal depends on a third party company for sending out SMS. Your phone number is therefore handled by not Signal, but by yet another company, highly likey an American company. And they are against privacy invading companies at the same time they are one. Oh, the irony.
You want sources? Sure.
- signal.org/legal/ (below "Information we may share")
- signal.org/blog/signal-is-expe…
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the idea of Signal. But there is flaws that makes Signal more privacy invading than privacy friendly.
Terms of Service & Privacy Policy
Signal is designed to never collect or store any sensitive information. Signal messages and calls cannot be accessed by us or other third parties because they are always end-to-end encrypted, private, and secure.Signal Messenger
Yeah. Let say Signal goes down because of Big Tech and lets say that 50% of their users use Signal as their only messaging app. What will happen then? Hysteria!
No, XMPP all the way for me until Signal becomes decentralized with zero external connections and when they also have removed the phone number requirement.
Because it's nearly impossible to convince friends and family to use anything other than iMessage or "the text app" on their phone. The process you've described is basically akin to swimming the English Channel for the general public. I'd do it. But expecting anyone else to is just a pipe dream.
I'm already a social outcast and second class citizen for not using imessage. Asking my friends and family to install a whole separate app just to communicate with me puts me firmly in weirdo territory.
It can be tough trying to stick to good privacy and staying social. I can do it because I've set boundaries and have a passion for what I believe in.
If somebosy actually wants to contact me, they join a privacy friendly platform, or just take my email. Most people my generation do not use email for instant communication, and neither do I.
I've gotten myself to be someone people want to reach out to, almost entirely in an effort to promote/market FOSS. To be a likable, knowledgeable, and friendly resource. That's how I managed to convert a lot of people. If I say anymore I really bet I could be identified from my post. 😆
Tough pursuits will never be a pipe dream. It just takes enough time and grit. And a little mojo.
I think the slightly more charitable division is "nerds who want to work on the tool" vs "nerds who want to use the tool to work on something else"
Some people want their discord chat to work with little effort or errors because what they're actually interested in is some video editor, or something. And if the chat is broken, it prevents then from getting to what they really want.
I personally use XMPP, so this isn't just to clear my own name, or anything.
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Signal is a much better recommendation when leaving Telegram. And the OMEMO implementation concerns are something I need to consider. That unprofessional response from one of the devs is not a good look at all.
Though as a comment pointed out, control of servers is like the one main checkbox that I really need filled.
On the point about clients not being OMEMO by default or enforced. This isn't the biggest issue for me. I'm not doing crimes, but I still wouldn't want my saucy messages to be read by server admins or third parties. Whenever I message somebody, I confirm that they are the proper recipient and are using OMEMO. And the clients I found myself comfortable with all support PGP key use instead. (That would be Cheogram & Gajim if anyone was interested.)
This was a great read though, at least to me. It gave me some thoughts to consider.
I'm gonna look into what kind of threats these improper dependency versions and such might pose. Hopefully by now most of these issues have been resolved.
The biggest thing is getting people into the loop of "secure apps" before they really need it.
First of all, thank you for your recommendation. I was on the fence between Siskin IM and Monal, so I went with Monal to replace AstraChat.
I’ve used Signal before and it was fine but I prefer not to give a phone number to open an account; there are other services that don’t require it.
Speaking of services, I use Simple X, Session, Matrix and Delta Chat (occasionally). Most of my eccentric mix of family, friends and colleagues are happy to try something new or switch as long as it doesn’t require a phone number to sign up. They’re slowly leaving Signal, WhatsApp, Telegram and limiting access to their iMessage.
In my experience, Session syncs very well between my devices which makes it my favorite. I chose FluffyChat over Element because of the App Privacy in iOS.
Speaking of wacky hole in the wall messagers!
Its tectonically a network stack but theres a few apps, to use it.
And MAAAN is it decentralized
to answer your question - if you wanna eventually talk to normies. like cute boy/girl you meet at a bar or a business contact from a random meet. even Signal has dogshit penetration compared to the big players, so XMPP/Matrix/Briar/etc aren't even a blip on the dradis.
also, you sorta sidestepped the UX. if you're coming off the hyper-polished world of Telelgram and iMessage, all those things have dogshit UX. yes, you'll eventually find your way around them but you have to be motivated to endure them ugly and slow and unrealiable apps (comparatively speaking); you got that shit covered, your contacts do not.
the situation is kinda like with The Linux Desktop - it's competing with gargantuan corpos with unlimited resources, and to add to that the miniscule dev teams aren't working together, they're competing, pulling in different direction (Gnome, Plasma, Cinnamon, etc.) with duplicated efforts and tons of abandoned paths. can you imagine where we'd be if all that dev effort went towards one goal?
same thing with the messenger space, it's doubtful any of them will become mainstream, but they have their uses.
It does, but that kind of thing defeats a lot of the purpose of leaving these apps in the first place. Same with bridges that work in a hacky way. I usually sandbox these apps and hope for the best.
I consider FOSS third party clients an improvement (but not a solution) in most of these cases btw, so i'm very open to alternatives that are practical while keeping my semblance of a social life.
til about ayugram, thanks for the rec, ill try it out.
do you happen to know of anything similar for whatsapp?
I try to get people to add me on musicbrainz and link up music services to it. It's cool bc you can funnel music player program listens, funkwhale (which is activitypub!), scloud, spotify, yt music, apple, all of their ʜᴏᴛ ɢᴀʀʙᴀɢᴇ right, but it still works with open source shit. It can absorb lastfm which a lot of ppl have hanging around. None of this solves the reality of being at an information disadvantage vs someone who plays weird games with IG likes. But are people like that worth the stress anyways??
But if you get each other's music recs and can dm realistically what else do you need? Am i boring? Lol
It's not elitist, it's realist. They don't want to install Signal just as much as I don't want to install Facebook messenger.
Yes you can nag people but it will more often than not have the same effect as when people try to convince me to install Facebook messenger.
I find this resistance weird. (From the "normies", not the Signal users)
Most of them have phones filled with all sorts of crap that they download willy nilly, yet they only seem to put the walls up for Signal.
They can say the same about me, right? I have so many communication apps on my phone, why do I draw the line on Facebook Messenger?
Most likely you're the only person they know on Signal and it makes more sense to them that you move to Facebook rather than moving their entire friend-sphere into Signal.
speaking of "normies" is elitist, because the term is used usually people privileged/experienced with knowledge about technology to describe people who don't have this privilege/experience. It is implying that there would be a class of (sub-)humans who are not capable of taking the same path as the person who employs this term. I stand by the term "elitist". In a world of diverse people, life-paths and needs, in my own experience everybody is capable of understanding the political reasons to use a piece of software over another one (because one company sucks, because their model of centralization is detrimental to freedom, because they got shady funding, because they pretend to be something else but bar free software authors to modify their software, because they're from the USA, etc.). Everyone has their own way of understanding these things. Everyone has some arguments that will resonate better than others. Pretty much the same way you probably decided to not install Facebook messenger. Well the good news is: everybody is capable of understanding these things. It may take time and effort, it may make elitist people realize it is not as easy as they first thought it would be, and require to fail and try again. It requires efforts and a humble approach as to listen to these people and take them where they are and walk a bit along the way with them.
My personal experience is that most people are capable of understanding such things. It may take time, but everyone is capable.
I also saw tons of elitist tech-enthusiasts and other tech-savvies "bros" not even addressing who they call "normies" out of pure lazyness, to avoid to speak outside of their own comfort zone and question their own status, and to avoid sharing their elitist knowledge.
-> "'normies' won't do that" = "i am too lazy to engage meaningfully with people who do not know the same things as i know."
That's a major part of the problem. Elitist feedback loop...
First of all normie not an insult or a derogatory term. The term "normies" is often used in many niche communities to refer to someone outside the community. It has nothing to do with being smart, privileged or experienced. It means more like "the average user" or "the typical person". Example: a person in the boardgaming community may refer to you as a normie, not because you're dumb but because you don't play hobby boardgames (check out Brass: Birmingham, what a game).
The problem isn't about comprehending the problem, most people understand that Facebook is selling their data. They just don't care. They would rather have their data sold than to have the trouble to move to yet another communication app. WhatsApp is working just fine, Facebook is sparking joy. They don't care.
"Normies won't do X" is a perfectly acceptable way to express that the hurdles are too high for the average user. The average user wants a sleek UI, a user friendly experience and most of all they want to be in the place everyone is already at. The average Joe doesn't want to be the first guy on Simple X, they actually really want the hassle free platform everyone is already at.
Also, the next great communication app is constantly changing. It used to be IRC, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Instagram, Telegram, Signal, Matrix, Simple X, Session. I'm sorry to say that the average person is not willing to migrate that often. Facebook works, their friends are already there, they stick to it. This isn't elitism, it's just stating what I see.
Normies isn't an elitist term it is a counter culture term for people outside the norm to refer to the general opinion. It is the not like us statement or the fact that there is experience that one would not understand fully unless they are in a subset group.
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was first used in its original meaning of "ordinary, normal" in English in the 1950s.[6] According to Merriam-Webster, the term "normie" appeared in the late 1980s in the United States. It was used ironically by people with disabilities in reference to the rest of the population.[2] In the late 1990s, the term was used in Alcoholics Anonymous literature to refer to individuals who were not addicted to any substances.
[7]Since the early 2000s it has been spreading on the Internet.[2][4] In the Russian-language sphere, popularization was promoted by the use of the imageboard Dvach, whose users consider themselves representatives of informal culture, which is expressed in controversial publications, non-standard political views, black humor, involvement in various subcultures.[8]
Don't forget that OMEMO on XMPP has no backward decryption - all messages are lost with every new client. Massive dealbreaker for me, as I value message history between those I love.
I've gone for Matrix. Signal doesn't interest me until they get rid of the requirement for phone numbers.
Others have noted that XMPP servers hold user contacts (and maybe other parts) wholly unencrypted, and if the server isn't yours, that's a trust risk.
Signal may not be the best in a technical sense, but it is good enough and it has the network effect. I've been pleasantly surprised when in the span of a few months I met two different people actually in real life, who happened to already be using Signal.
Signal is also just as usable as the big tech alternatives, which makes it not a very hard sell to friends and family. For quite a few years now I have managed to convince everyone I communicate with to do so over Signal. There is no chance I would be as successful with something else.
I love the irony of the name. It's probably the best thing about the app.
One of the things I'm curious about and the website doesn't explain: how are the message queues not identifiers?
They are local identifiers, not global ones. Each one exists only for a single pair of users so they don't function as stable or traceable identities. "Pairwise anonymous addresses".
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SimpleX Chat: private and secure messenger without any user IDs (not even random)
SimpleX Chat - a private and encrypted messenger without any user IDs (not even random ones)! Make a private connection via link / QR code to send messages and make calls.simplex.chat
But those are still identifiers linked to you and in a global space because it says multiple servers need to know how to route data.
Nvmd: seemingly if the server hosting your queues shuts down you lose all contact, so your UIDs are shared but only to a specific set of servers you choose with the drawback of fragility. Seems like someone else shutting down a server kills your contact list?
I didn't compare it to signal. I just asked if that was the facts of the situation.
If I were to compare it might be to the topic of this thread which I can self host and thus control.
However, since you opened the door on signal I'd comment that the entire signal org would have to go down for that to happen, not just a few servers. Is simplex managed by a large well funded entity that is unlikely to fail or are the servers more mom & pop setups? What happens if Kurt Cobain wakes up one morning and shuts down his server?
Jami is a mess, when i tried it first it starting calling as it were to receive a phone call. The second time i tried it on 3 devices, out of which 2 could contact each other lol. My last attempt was when I needed to send a few strings from a (internet connected) VM to its host machine*, installed Jami on both and the 2 instances couldn't talk to each other. Joke of a program, really.
- i know i could do it much easier
I use XMPP, and the original idea was for it to be a family chat and a way to securely ask for things on Jellyfin.
No one uses it. (XMPP, not JF)
What's better?
No one cares. They know it's a hassle to ask for media. They know they can only ask me in person if they don't use it. They just won't bother installing a client. Can't be bothered.
Oh well, I can't be asked, then. So we sit in this perpetual state of tug of war. I can't be contacted, it's complained about, the situation is explained again, they complain again, and still never resolve the situation.
Going on three years now.
I use xmpp for notifications a lot, its close integration with the server its on allows for using it kinda like ntfy.
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in reply to ChurchChase • • •Your timescale is skewed. You're either young, pushing a narrative, or both, so let me describe how things look historically from a sample size that actually matters. 2 presidents is not a big sample size.
Starting in the 80s, the American economy began to decline and the national debt began to rise under Reagan and politicians like him - trickle down economics had begun. In the late 90s, a president balanced the budget and actually began reducing the national debt (by cutting funding to social security and other less than stellar actions). That would be Clinton. And then along came Bush Jr and the post 9/11 forever war in the Middle East. Ever since the start of the Iraq war, the national debt has risen like an ICBM. I remember when news channels talked with disbelief about Bush possibly doubling the national debt within a year.
So it's 2008, Bush just finished up his second term, and hundreds of thousands of people have lost everything in the 2008 depression (except for Bush's rich friends. They got government bailouts and made bank buying up all the poor people's houses). So, what now? Now, a black man who runs on a campaign of changing things for the better wins the election in a landslide, and tries to do most of what he promised. The economy sees large amounts of growth and jobs added, and the spiraling of the national debt slows down. However, Republicans vow to never let a black man do anything in the White House and the Democrats capitulate before the fight ever starts, so Obama is hamstrung and despite trying, ends up being forced by Republicans shutting down the government to not fulfill any of his campaign promises in his two terms (except for installing a healthcare system that Republicans fought tooth and nail against because it makes it illegal for health insurance companies to kick cancer patients off their health insurance and then refuse to cover them for having a preexisting condition: cancer).
Now it's 2016 and a man who ran on a campaign of undoing everything the black man before him did and the promise of kicking out all the politicians that he's been friends with since his big business days in the 80s has been elected. And what does he do? He spends the first 2 years largely going line by line and undoing every single thing that the black man did while in office, and then spends the next 2 years mostly giving tax breaks and government money to the friends he said he would kick out and "drain the swamp" while the national debt once again rises like a tide in a swamp and the economy stagnates. Then 2019 hits and the economy collapses again under a worldwide pandemic, just a month after he got rid of the office the black man set up to prevent a pandemic.
So now it's 2020 and the country has just elected the old guy who was the black guy's right hand man. He campaigned on not rocking the boat and keeping the course. Nothing exciting, but we'll see what happens. True to form, 4 years of stabilization happen. The debt slows down, the economy sees jobs come back, and things are looking a little more calm.
Then, in 2025 the old guy who was so upset about the black guy comes back and his swampy friends are right behind him. The debt begins to balloon and the economy starts to shudder under the weight of global tariffs and worldwide uncertainty of a possible trade war against friend and foe alike. And that's just in the first 3 months of the year.
Tl;dr: the economy consistently grows under democrat presidents and the national debt slows down. Under Republicans, the economy shrinks and the debt skyrockets. This stays fairly consistent the farther back you go, but Reagan is an important point in this because he started trickle down economics and showed the Republicans that big government can be good for them, too, so long as they hold the purse strings, and Bush is the other important point because he's the tipping point for when the debt went from manageable to using a sink to try to put out a burning building.
Cowbee [he/they]
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •I never said otherwise. I said that the economy does better under Dems than Republicans. That doesn't mean that it's the way things should be done, just that under Dems jobs are added to the economy rather than lost and the national debt grows at a slower rate than under Republicans. Between the two, the economy objectively does better under Dems.
I simply was saying that the "Biden bad because brown people and the economy broke because woke" narrative is a farce no matter how you look at it.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to EldritchFemininity • • •ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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in reply to ChurchChase • • •Uriel238 [all pronouns]
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •We've been in an oligarchy for a while, according to an Oxford study of US history and the policy voting behaviors of elected representatives. It's only gotten spicy since Reagan, when the Republican party decided it had enough power to take all the cake (and is trying to do so).
The Federalists tried this before, which caused the party to die out and the Democratic Republicans to split. (Source: Helen Cox Richardson) It'll be exciting to see how this all plays out.
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in reply to Uriel238 [all pronouns] • • •Democracy for the Few : Michael Parenti : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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