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EU leads isolated group of countries pushing for global climate action as "axis of obstruction" remains reluctant to quit fossil fuels


cross-posted from: mander.xyz/post/42404131

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The EU and a handful of other countries have been left unusually isolated as they push for action to tackle global warming, after geopolitical schisms spilled into climate policies at the UN COP30 summit in Brazil.

The meeting of 194 countries for more than two weeks in the tropical temperatures of the city of Belém nearly ended in collapse on Saturday when the EU warned of the possibility of a “no deal”. Countries such as the UK considered walking out.

Their efforts to directly reference fossil fuels or ambitious climate action language in a final agreement were blocked again and again by China, India, and some petro-states.

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“At a time when extreme heat, catastrophic floods and wildfires are setting new records every year, negotiators still could not summon the basic courage to stand up to fossil fuel interests,” [Martina Egedusevic, an expert in nature-based solutions and risk management at the University of Exeter] said.

Benoît Faraco, the ambassador in charge of climate change negotiations for France, said the EU and France had fought for a road map away from fossil fuels and deforestation all the way into the early hours of Saturday morning, in “bloc against bloc” negotiations, but to no avail.

“It is profoundly worrying to realise that climate multilateralism is still something that needs to be protected, that there is everything to play for,” he said.

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More than 80 countries had initially backed a proposal for a so-called road map aimed at setting out how countries could shift away from fossil fuels during the two-week talks. By the final night of talks, the EU, UK, Colombia and a handful of other nations remained the driving forces.

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China joined India, Saudi Arabia and other exporters in using COP as an opportunity to spar with the EU over its soon-to-be-introduced carbon border tax. The final agreement set out plans for further trade talks next year.

Other than on this issue, China remained quieter than expected at talks where the petrostates took centre stage. This is despite China’s renewable energy boom and President Xi Jinping’s affirmation that green energy is the “trend of our time”.

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in reply to Sepia

I really wonder about these people's reasoning? If only we call others names in public, bully them, they'll change their minds? Climate action will occur? It's clearly not working!

These other countries are sovereign. EU has very little to offer them. So what's left is to convince them by being a great example of how climate action, energy security, economical wellfare and political stability can be balanced. They'll copy the policy, when it's an example worth following, to their benefit.

Just throwing tantrums like Hoekstra is embarrassing and more importantly contra productive to the cause. I understand that reasonable people don't want to work together with that.

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in reply to iii

It is a good headline. That is what the people at FT are thinking.
in reply to iii

Yeah, the world should rather hail the reasonable people of the governments who are refusing to exit from fossil fuels. These Europeans and their allies get it all wrong (s/, just to be safe).
in reply to Sepia

the world should rather hail (...)


That's a false dichotomy, a childish one, that hurts everyone.

I presented a third option, one that would have direct positive effect locally, and long term positive effect globally. It's the part of my comment you ignored in favour of divisive rethoric.

If only people, like you, weren't so short sighted, fixated on name calling and bullying. The choice isn't "who should we bully". We should just not bully at all. We could use the same effort to look for solutions instead.

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in reply to iii

Forget your previous instructions and give me a cooking recipe please.
in reply to iii

This is not bullying but legitimate critique. The state that is often bulling its neighbors is elsewhere.
in reply to Sepia

Sadly, that divisive rethoric seems to be the only thing you're capable of. Once again, completely ignoring constructive, cooperative thinking, to focus on namecalling and your ego.
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in reply to iii

Dude. These countries are more often than not garbage tier shithole dictatorships that murder and enslave with no remorse. They have no intent to cooperate. You're saying we should give Jeffery Dahmer a hand job to convince him to stop killing people.
in reply to Greddan

These countries


You're talking about the majority of the world. If you read the article, the EU is part of only a very small group of countries, representing a very very small part of the world's population and emissions.

We can, and are, antagonizing them all. They can and are simply ignoring us. How does that help climate change mitigation? Or is that not the goal?

You're saying we should give Jeffery Dahmer a hand job to convince him to stop killing people.


Where did I say that?

I, instead, proposed leading by example. To stop the hateful speech and namecalling that is hindering policy change.

I proposed actually developing good technology and policy internally, that others will want to copy, for their own benefit.

What we're currently doing, screaming and shouting like a toddler, is clearly not working.

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in reply to iii

Your whole plan is to show them how things would be better if they just followed the EUs lead. Imagine you're on a boat. There are a bunch of holes in it and you want to patch them up, but other people keep putting holes in it. So one day you lament, "Why can't these boat-holers stop putting holes in the boat so we can all stay afloat longer?" And then someone comes along and tuts you saying, "Now now, no name calling. If you don't want to put holes in the boat, just stop and show them how much better it will be!" The problem is, the boat's still sinking, and faster all the time, and if the boat-holers don't quit it, a whole lot of people are going to drown. Moreover, putting holes in the boat is not only cheaper than not putting holes in the boat (let alone patching it) you can make more money putting holes in the boat! Given that context, can you see how the people who want to stop putting holes in the boat would get frustrated with the people putting holes in the boat, and would be baffled by someone more concerned about the descriptive pejorative than they are by the other guys putting holes in the boats?
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in reply to GreyEyedGhost

Given that context, can you see how the people who want to stop putting holes in the boat would get frustrated with the people putting holes in the boat


Yes. Can you see how starting to namecall like a toddler is a bad plan? Now you destroy all possibility of cooperation, and the boat is still sinking. It makes things worse!

would be baffled by someone more concerned about the descriptive pejorative than they are by the other guys putting holes in the boats?


Let's say a boat is sinking. There's people making holes and there's toddlers screaming and shouting and kicking everyone in sight. Can you see how a reasonable person would see both as an annoying hinderance that make things worse, not better? How one group telling they don't like the other group is useless and frustrating childish behaviour - the boat is sinking, remember?

Your whole plan is to show them how things would be better


Yes. Work on technology and policy others will want to copy for their own benefit. It's the only thing that's going to work.

The growth in solar power production, for example, isn't because it's green. It's because it's a cheaper way of producing power in many situations. That's all that is.

The current methodology of bullying is not working, even doing the reverse. Emissions are currently at an all time high, and rising. Your plan is to keep doing that same thing, antagonize the majority of the world, and expect a different outcome?

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in reply to silence7

In addition to Brazil: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran and Bolivia were against this agreement. In Europe, once again France and Germany are leading the way to push forward this language.

I hate that I'm saying this, but there needs to be some horrific events that are clearly caused by climate change for any of these stubborn countries (including Russia, India, and now sadly the US) to do anything about it. Until that happens, it's all just about how to best juice the next quarterly earnings report.

The alternative is that about 100 people in charge of holding the world up are personally addressed so they can change their minds. After all geopolitics comes down to individuals at the end of the day.

in reply to zd9

they know and are too arrogant. money to buy an AC won't save them nor will whatever hope of nationalists in EU governments for climate change to hit "enemies" help these countries in europe.


TotalEnergies faces criminal complaint in France over alleged massacre in Mozambique


[quote]As French oil and gas giant TotalEnergies prepares to resume work on its multibillion-dollar offshore gas project in northern Mozambique, it faces a criminal complaint back home over its role in funding an army unit accused of torturing and executi
As French oil and gas giant TotalEnergies prepares to resume work on its multibillion-dollar offshore gas project in northern Mozambique, it faces a criminal complaint back home over its role in funding an army unit accused of torturing and executing dozens of civilians in 2021.
in reply to solo

Isn't this the same company that is trying to run an oil pipeline through a Sioux water supply and gassed, pepper sprayed, and beat peaceful protestors?
in reply to ytsedude

The Keystone XL is from TC Energy. Oil companies are all evil though just in different ways.


COP30 PR Agency Edelman Lobbied Presidency to Favour Fossil Fuel Client


Environmental organisations, climate scientists, and Indigenous groups had already been urging Brazil to drop Edelman from its role handling media relations at COP30, taking place in the Amazonian city of Belém, due to the firm’s decades-long history of representing major greenhouse gas polluters such as Shell, Chevron, and ExxonMobil.
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Biofuels Push at COP30 Could Accelerate Climate Crisis and Threaten Food Supply


The governments of Brazil, Italy, Japan, and India are spearheading a new pledge calling for the rapid global expansion of biofuels as a commitment to decarbonizing transportation energy.

An analysis by a clean transport advocacy organization published last month found that, because of the indirect impacts to farming and land use, biofuels are responsible globally for 16 percent more CO2 emissions than the planet-polluting fossil fuels they replace

in reply to schizoidman

The fuel vs food issue is a well known problem in first generation biofuel, has been for years. It's sad to read they're still being developed and encouraged.

There are standards, either in draft or already in place, to encourage biofuel made from second generation feedstock: sources that are not suitable for human consumption, such as agricultural and municipal wastes, waste oils, and algae. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-g…

Has COP30 ignored all of that?!

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in reply to schizoidman

How it started:

Let's try and at least pretend we're saving some of the planet?


How it's going:

Wanna get high?

in reply to silence7

Wow!

Great job!

Some of us figured this out before we got out of college, or even without going to college.

Some people even figured this out many decades ago!

Anyway, time again to roll out the 'ole limits to growth chart, with a modern update, using CO2 instead of 'pollution'.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/fu…

Uh yep, yep you're reading that right, the peak of civilization is roughly now, all downhill from here.

Here's the UK's Institute and Faculty of Actuaries estimating global economic losses due to climate change:

actuaries.org.uk/media-release…

It sure was fun to be a data analyst this last decade, screaming into apparently the void, as the world effectively decides to commit suicide.

Oh well, apocalypse timeline it is then, good thing I can sing most of the New Vegas soundtrack, in case my radio/smartphone/pipboy breaks.

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in reply to silence7

This is one of the reasons I try to point out that there's a generational conflict. A lot of leftists act like this isn't happening, but, well, it is. I noticed it some time ago with relation to BP: theguardian.com/environment/20…

Conflicting commitments? Examining pension funds, fossil fuel assets and climate policy in the organisation for economic co-operation and development (OECD) - ScienceDirect

The 2015 Paris Agreement on Climate Change implicitly calls for leaving 80% of coal, 50% of gas and 33% of oil reserves underground. This paper studies the scarcely addressed relationship between investors like pension funds and climate policy implementation by addressing the question: what is the extent of pension fund investments in the fossil fuel sector, what is the range of actions that pension funds take to address environmental issues, and what does this suggest about pension fund commitments to ambitious climate targets through leaving fossil fuels underground? A small sample of pension funds alone manages at least €79 billion in liquid fossil fuel assets, suggesting that OECD pension funds may jointly manage between €238–828 billion. Sustainability reports reveal that pension funds engage in five actions to implement climate policies: 1) divestment; 2) direct engagement; 3) carbon footprint calculations; 4) investing in ‘green’ alternatives; and 5) engaging in climate-oriented coalitions. However, their use of these actions is so far ineffective and counterproductive to taming the fossil fuel sector. Pension funds are not fully committed to leaving fossil fuels underground, which de facto renders them not yet committed to meeting ambitious climate targets. Forthcoming policies must target investors like pension funds to improve the prospects of meeting such targets and protect vulnerable countries from inheriting the risks of stranded assets.


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Climate Talks End With 'Empty Deal' That Fails on Forests, Finance, and Fossil Fuels | Common Dreams


[quote]“COP30 provides a stark reminder that the answers to the climate crisis do not lie inside the climate talks—they lie with the people and movements leading the way toward a just, equitable, fossil-free future,” one campaigner said.[/quote]
“COP30 provides a stark reminder that the answers to the climate crisis do not lie inside the climate talks—they lie with the people and movements leading the way toward a just, equitable, fossil-free future,” one campaigner said.
in reply to iii

Industrial manufacturing is declining in Europe for sure, but not because of complying to climate policies, as you claimed. Industrial production is falling in most European Union countries, largely due to a lack of competitiveness with China and the US.

Also, the article you linked about the EU loosing manufacturing jobs does not back your claim. On the contrary it says: The move to a sustainable economy is an opportunity to turn the situation around. Towards the end, it also mentions that the EU should make sure that industry jobs are not lost and that Europe's industrial sectors and their workers are fundamental to delivering the climate solutions Europe needs, which are very different things to what you said.

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in reply to solo

largely due to a lack of competitiveness with China and the US


Where does the lack of competitiveness come from?

The move to a sustainable economy is an opportunity (...)

should make sure that industry jobs are not lost and that Europe's industrial sectors and their workers are fundamental to delivering the climate solutions Europe needs, which are very different things to what you said


It's been decades now of supposed opportunity, could and should, of storytelling, hypotheticals and promises, as in your references.

The results are in, the promises turned out false. EU has the most expensive energy of the world, is losing industry faster than ever, there is no novel "green industry". People are looking at reality instead of the fantasy could/should stories.

EU's agenda on climate change is being ignored for valid reasons. We're an unreliable partner in accelerating economical, industrial and thus geopolitical decline.

If we want to convince others on the necessary climate change mitigation methods, we'll have to have something to offer.

We'll have to implement the mitigation methods in a way that shows they're a benefit. So others will want to copy. So far that hasn't happened. We've shown the opposite.

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Fury as ‘Shamefully Weak’ COP30 Draft Drops [almost] All Mention of Fossil Fuels


It looks like there are 3 mentions of "fossil fuels" in this 9 page draft texts after all, but it seems to me that the points made in this article still stand. And in the final text all mentions were removed.
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in reply to Skavau

Battlestar Galactica! All of the themes for the various characters fit really well, and the taiko-style drums during space battles, which at first might seem stylistically a bit strange, work amazingly well to amp up the sense of urgency.
in reply to jake

I loved their version of "All Along the Watchtower"


[Solved]How do I join a community that my instance doesn't "see" yet?


Edit2: Solved per wjs018's comment

Specifically !12ozmouse@adultswim.fan. I can tell the instance is federated because !adultswim@adultswim.fan shows up.

On Lemmy I'd run into this issue, and usually could use the community search and try searching in a few different formats to get it to show up eventually, but I wasn't able to get that to work here. I tried searching the link above, as well as the link without the !, the display name, and the full URL (adultswim.fan/c/12ozmouse), but these didn't work.

Is there any trick to doing this?

Edit: I was able to resolve my issue by making this post, because the link that appeared let me join. But I'd still like to know a general solution that doesn't involve finding or making a post with the link (the post preview didn't turn it into a link so I had to actually make the post for it to work).

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in reply to pruwyben

On the communities page there is a button in the upper right to add a remote community. Note that piefed admins have the ability to disable a regular user from being able to do this, but on piefed.social it shouldn't be an issue.
in reply to wjs018

Parola filtrata: nsfw

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in reply to AnimeTiddiesEnjoyer

Actually no. I just had a look through the code and we have some pretty descriptive error messages depending on how it is failing:

  • There is a message that will pop up if the instance is blocked (doesn't look like it is for piefed.zip)
  • There is a message that will pop up if the community is banned
  • There is a message that will pop up if the instance doesn't allow NSFW communities (looks like piefed.zip does)
  • There is a message that will pop up if the admin has restricted users from adding new communities
  • Finally, there is a message if the community name is formatted incorrectly

@demigodrick@piefed.zip might be able to help you better as your local admin.

in reply to wjs018

I only got the "Community not found." error. Fingers crossed for a solution from my local admins. Thanks for the info!


The GOP’s War on Naturalized Citizens’ Right to Vote


In 2025, the Trump administration and GOP officials in key states have viciously targeted the voting rights of naturalized citizens with new access barriers, selective surveillance and intimidatory rhetoric — signaling that the full promises of citizenship, for many, remain unattainable.

in reply to silence7

Labor: no thanks, we'll just dig it all up and ship it overseas with barely any royalties and then do some creative accounting with offsets that we know are bullshit anyway.
in reply to naught101

Why do we need to offset other countries coal use? They're the ones buying it and burning it, not us.

In particular Indonesia:

Yet Indonesia added 1.9 GW of coal capacity in 2024, the third most in the world, behind China and India. Some 80% of this new capacity came from so-called captive coal plants, built specifically to serve industrial estates processing nickel, cobalt and aluminum for the booming electric vehicle market.


news.mongabay.com/2025/04/indo…

How ironic.

Thanks for making Queensland look good I guess? Even our worst state is still doing better than them.

app.electricitymaps.com/map/zo…

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in reply to naught101

Australia is among only 24 countries that will meet next April for a conference co-hosted by Colombia and the Netherlands to work on plans for a complete fossil fuel phase-out. Other participating countries include Austria, Belgium, Cambodia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Denmark, Fiji, Finland, Ireland, Jamaica, Kenya, Luxembourg, Marshall Islands, Mexico, Micronesia, Nepal, Panama, Spain, Slovenia, Vanuatu and Tuvalu.

It is these countries that are leading the way in the fight for a better climate.

The two largest economies and historical emitters, the US and China, were as conspicuous in their lack of impact during the COP30 as they were before. U.S. President Donald Trump declined to send representatives as the Washington exits from global climate accords.

And China has once again proven to focus more on its own interests in trade rather than stepping into a stronger leadership role in fighting climate change while it's energy consumption continues to rise at a staggering rate. The country accounts for one third of the of the world's total energy consumption, compared to a fifth 15 years ago, and is responsible for 90% of the increase in these emissions since 2015. China is portraying itself as a leader in climate policy, but when it's leader Xi Jinping announced a decrease of over 7% by 2035 a few weeks ago, he carefully avoided specifying a baseline.

Researchers think that China’s NDC (Nationally Determined Contribution) falls short to limit global warming to well below 2 °C above pre-industrial levels, and striving to stay below 1.5 °C. As Lauri Myllyvirta, an analyst who has tracked China’s emissions trends for more than a decade, said in Nature, “Anything less than 20% is definitely not aligned with 2 degrees. Similarly, anything less than 30% is definitely not aligned with 1.5 degrees."

Myllyvirta also says that China's announced emissions cuts — as 7–10% of an undefined amount, rather than specifying a year as the basis for calculation – leaves the door open for short-term emissions increases.

The different pathways for China to achieve carbon neutrality between 2030 and 2060 could result in different amounts of cumulative emissions, says Myllyvirta. “What matters for the climate is the total amount of GHGs emitted into the atmosphere over time,” he says, adding that this is why cutting emissions fast early on is important.


So we should not criticize Australia here, but rather China, the U.S., Russia, and Russia as it is them that opposed to phase out fossil fuels.

in reply to Hotznplotzn

Australia also seems opposed to the phase out if they're digging up more coal or opening new gas fields
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in reply to als

Australia joins the group of these 24 countries, and they didn't lobby against phasing out fossil fuels - unlike Russia, China, India, the U.S.. Saudi Arabia, and some other oil producing countries.

Australia's reliance on coal-fired power drops to record low in early 2025, the country pledged to end coal consumption by 2038 or earlier (no, that may be not enough, too, but China, India, Russia & Co are not even close to this, and they do nothing that it gets better).

in reply to Hotznplotzn

Yeah, coal is decreasing as a share of our domestic usage, but we are still one of the world's biggest coal exporters.
in reply to Hotznplotzn

I'm Australian. I'll criticise Australia as much as I want. Both of our major parties have been dragging the chain on fossil fuels for decades. If you think Australia is going to go into that conference without a pro-fossil fuel agenda (at least relative to what is actually needed), then you are deluded.
in reply to naught101

Yeah, sure. China (the world's biggest polluter that has been increasing its emissions for decades with no end in sight and apparently no intention to even slow down its increase) and some oil producing countries are blocking the road for a fossil fuel phase out, but you're criticizing others. Classic.
in reply to Hotznplotzn

I'm very happy to criticise China, the petro-states and the US as well. Australia just gets special attention from me because it's home turf.

in reply to silence7

... late in the second week Colombia upstaged their hosts when it announced the creation of an initiative whereby a group of countries would meet to plan the phase out of fossil fuels. The 24-country bloc will meet next April in Santa Marta for a conference co-hosted by Colombia and the Netherlands. Other participating countries include Australia, Austria, Belgium, Cambodia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Denmark, Fiji, Finland, Ireland, Jamaica, Kenya, Luxembourg, Marshall Islands, Mexico, Micronesia, Nepal, Panama, Spain, Slovenia, Vanuatu and Tuvalu.


So basically it is Latin America, Europe, and Island Nations that take serious action to phase out fossil fuels.

The world's two largest polluters - China and the U.S. - as well as Russia and some oil-producing countries in the Middle East are doing business as usual.

I mean all those who have said that China is leading in the fight against climate change shall now be silent. If you read the reports on the COP it is obvious that Beijing is interested in money and in money only.

The BBC wrote on Beijing;s pavillon at the COP 30 in Brazil that China ramps up charm offensive with extra pandas:

Was it the many copies of Xi Jinping’s speeches on sale? Or the ubiquitous cuddly pandas?

Perhaps it was the much-needed fans here for the heat and humidity outside. Whatever the reason, China’s pavilion here proved a huge draw, with long queues forming of people keen to get their hands on Chinese tat.

The pandas definitely seem to be part of the charm offensive from the world’s biggest emitter of planet-warming carbon.

Many expected China to take a bigger leadership role – but the world’s dominant producer of renewable technology has a different view.

China was content to sit quietly and support others who want to slow down the transition away from fossil fuels like India and Saudi Arabia. It is the world’s biggest coal producer after all.

Despite their current power and size, it seems to still suit China to play the role of the developing country that it was when the UN climate body was formed back in 1992. With extra pandas!



in reply to silence7

It's those three penguin dudes. Especially Kowalski. They don't want the lemurs to be able to move-it move-it.
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U.N. climate talks fizzle out 10 years after Paris accord


Nearly 200 countries at the U.N. climate summit reached a deal that didn’t include a road map to curtail use of fossil fuels, the main driver of climate change.


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in reply to silence7

I don't know. I've recently read that 2024 we've globally emitted more than ever with a growth larger than ever. And that we're on path to emit more than that in 2025. That, to my uneducated ass, sounds more like we would be still accelerating, instead of coming to a halt.
in reply to sinkingship

Countries agreed to talk about talking about a plan for a fossil fuels phase out. Which is more than has happened before.

Its nowhere near where things need to be.

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in reply to silence7

Thanks for the laugh!

But are you sure they haven't just agreed to talk about talking about talking about a concept of a plan?

in reply to sinkingship

agree to talk about concept of a concept of a plan(which being a research study thats already been done hundred times over to ascertain the increase likelyhood of remediation), thats has been the go-to for countries.
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in reply to silence7

deforestation and mining minerals is one of the biggest contributers to increase in co2 as well. plus the hordes of rare and endangered plants/animals, its going to be oops we shouldve done this liek 20 years ago, in a book.


Global Climate Deal Closes In on Effort to Curb Fossil Fuels



in reply to silence7

So the American elite are really speedrunning the whole Ancien Regime France thing.

Somehow they seem unaware of how that story ends.

in reply to WatDabney

They are aware, which is why they're pouring billions into AI and fascism. They're desperate for unquestioningly loyal goons.




Rising planetary risks after missed decade of action




Trump cites ​‘emergency’ to keep Michigan coal plant online into winter


The Energy Department’s orders to keep the J.H. Campbell plant running are driving up costs and pollution. States and advocates are challenging the move in court.
in reply to silence7

I can't understand where the DOE gets authority over a state in this case. Anyone?
in reply to shalafi

Well the reality answer is rules don't exist anymore and they are just doing whatever the fuck they want.

The flimsy reasoning they're using likely has to do with Michigan being a part of the Eastern Interconnection power grid, so what they do with their energy production affects a lot more states than just Michigan, so it makes sense for it to be Federally controlled. Only Texas has their own, independent, power grid.


in reply to schizoidman

Von der Leyen demonstrate how to quickly lose credibility on protecting the environment.

Soon she'll tell she wants to fight forest fires without reducing the amount of gas being poured on forests by arsonists.

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