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Edit: And I like paying for osmand because it is open source.
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Recommendations for after installing Linux (Mint) coming from Windows for best practices for a casual user ?
I finally bit the bullet and I'm giving Linux a second try, installed with dual boot a few days ago and making Linux Mint my default from now on.
There are a lot of guides and tips about the before and during the transition but not for after, so I was hoping to find some here.
Some example questions but I would like to hear any other things that come to mind:
I read that with Mint if you have a decent computer you don't need to do a swap partition? So I skipped that, but I'm not sure if I'd want to modify that swap file to make it bigger, is that just for giving extra ram if my hardware one is full? Because I have 48GB of ram and if I look into my System Monitor it says Swap is not available.
Was looking at this other post, and the article shared (about Linux security) seems so daunting, it's a lot. How much of it do I have to learn as a casual user that's not interested in meddling with the system much? Is the default firewall good enough to protect me from my own self to at least some degree? I was fine with just Windows Defender and not being too stupid about what I download and what links I click.
I was also reading about how where you install your programs or save your data matters, like in particular partitions or folders, is that just like hardcore min-maxing that's unnecessary for the average user that doesn't care to wait half a second extra or is it actually relevant? I'm just putting stuff in my Home folder.
Connected to the last two points: in that Linux Hardening Guide lemmy post I shared the TL;DR includes "Move as much activity outside the core maximum privilege OS as possible"... how do I do that? is that why people have separate partitions?
Downloaded the App Center (Snap Store) and I was surprised there was even a file saying to not allow it... why is that? Is it not recommended? Is it better to download stuff directly from their websites instead?
What I suggest. Dont look at hardening yet. Only do so if you feel like your ready to touch the Internal workings of the OS. I do suggest using full disk encryption if this is a laptop.
Saving your files in your home folder just like how you did on windows is fine. Nothing wrong their.
Personally I would familiar your self with the terminal. It is not scary at all. sudo apt install program is how I would install software on mint (or any Debian based system).
Oh and above all. Use the system and try to do your normal task. See what you run in to and ask help where needed. We are here to help you along the way if needed.
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I've got a desktop but I think I ticked on the drive encryption while installing anyway
With "files" you also mean programs, right? The ones that I download and don't install with the terminal or an app store?
I'm not scared of the terminal myself, I'm scared of accidentally overwriting stuff or downloading something I didn't intend to because of a typo, etc... I'm careful but there's only so much one can fight the adhd. Plus I just really prefer visual interfaces
Thank you! 😀
you can always add eg. a swap file later if needed - apparently not as good as a swap partition, but it is more flexible. With 48 GB of ram I hardly think you're going to have issues, but that depends entirely on what do you do with the system.
Firewall isn't really helping the system against you, it's to block ousiders getting in - more or less.
install locations: if you just use what's in mint's repositories, you don't really need to think about it. Out-of-repository stuff like steam games etc generally live in ~/.steam or so. Or in some dedicated path you configure in steam/whatever.
As for snap/flatpaks/whatever, haven't used a single one. But in general: I'd favor the distribution's repos, if at all possible for installs. If the app isn't there, but is in snap... fine, I guess? As long as it's managed by some kind of package manager for easy install/update/uninstall. But having to manually download and install from a website? Rather not, that's when the maintenance becomes manual.
And of course, opinions are opionated. Your system, your rules. 😛
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oh with the firewall saving me from myself I meant if I download something thinking it's safe but isn't
Thank you! 😀 @Malix@sopuli.xyz
oh with the firewall saving me from myself I meant if I download something thinking it's safe but isn't
A firewall would not save you from that.
A firewall stops random incoming connections. But if you download and run something bad, that'd be an outgoing connection, since the malicious program is then already on your system.
Defender is antimalware/antivirus. There at least used to be a separate firewall in windows, but not sure if it's a part of defender or not.
Either way, "firewall" is traffic control, antimalware/virus is the execution guardian.
The only things I download online are things I can't find in that store, things made by individuals and individually published... like Material Maker for example.
Well, not really po-tay-toh/po-tah-toh. They’re 2 different utilities that do 2 different things. If you ask the wrong question, you’re not going to get the answer you’re looking for.
What you’re asking about is an antivirus. It’s been awhile since I messed with this on my Linux systems, but last I looked, ClamAV was most commonly recommended. You can probably search for “Linux antivirus” and find some recommendations.
Generally speaking, the earlier recommendations to stick with official repos is excellent. When you venture outside of that, you increase your administrative overhead because those manually installed apps won’t stay patched with a simple “apt upgrade.” That said, a well written cron job could keep them up to date for you.
As for where to install things, it’s personal preference. I prefer using my home directory. If that doesn’t work, my fallback in /usr/local, which is either its own partition or symlinked to the /home partition). I mention the partitions because having separate /home and possibly /usr/local makes it easy for these customizations you install to survive a reinstall. Backups will also help with this.
You have to ask yourself what this system will be used for. If it’s a daily driver that you want to “just work” I would stick to official repos, and minimize customizations. Windows makes a lot of choices for you. Linux expects you to know what you want to do.
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Yeah but it seems like some people (not you) take it personal geez...
Of course a "casual" will mix firewall with anti-virus, like...? I am literally saying I don't know shit.
Thank you for actually explaining things in a helpful and chill manner without getting so stuck about one word I use wrong while still being an understandable question.
And I'm telling you a firewall won't do that.
It won't have anything to say at all about something you download and run.
It's a completely different security feature. It handles potentially malicious network activity. Not software on your computer.
and I'm telling you I didn't mean just firewall... I wasn't trying to be accurate or right, I was just asking a broad general question with a term that would get other people understand what it is that I want to know, not that I know exactly what a firewall does or does not do...
You understood what the question was about, did you not? That was my whole goal
Yes. But you didn't.
Knowing what something does is important.
If you install a piece of software expecting it to do something it actually doesn't, that can leave a security gap.
I wasn't just correcting you. I was making sure you knew that if you install a "firewall" it won't do the thing you're looking for.
As for an actual answer, most distros will already ask you to confirm if you try to run a random appimage you downloaded.
But you shouldn't need to do that in the first place. On linux, there's not really any need to go running random programs downloaded using your web browser, since you can just download software from trusted reposotories that aren't going to host malware to begin with.
Unlike on windows... You don't need to risk it in the first place.
Yeah the problem is that I understood the first time it was explained, no need to keep circling it over without answering the actual question I was asking about.. what you quoted from my comment was just me clarifying what I was asking about, not clarifying my (lack of) knowledge about firewalls.
Thank you for the actual answer!
I do have occasional need to download random programs from random websites because of my hobbies and profession, the first case being Material Maker from itch.io - that one is clearly safe with all those reviews and the public git, but it is a random program from the internet nevertheless, and the reason why I was asking about the placing of programs that I download manually.
Material Maker is on Flathub, the AUR, and on Snapcraft (not up to date, but you shouldn't use snap anyway).
No need for a manual install.
You'll find a lot of software is available via package managers. Linux people don't like installing anything without it being managed by a package manager so the installation and subsequent updates are automatic and occur alongside system updates. So when people find software they like, they'll go out of their way to package and distribute it for others as well
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oh... I hadn't heard about any of those, thank you! Installing Flathub
Why would Flathub not be included with Mint?
And how did you find it was in those three places? Did you look for it manually on each or is there a place that tells you where it's distributed? Because on their website the only thing I found was the Download link that takes you to itch.io or their github page that doesn't give any linux alternatives
edit: reviews in flathub say that there are some features that don't work and it's better to download from their itch.io page haha - it's not the first review I see saying that about flatpaks, so there are valid reasons to just download them manually like one would in windows anyway
Flathub and the AUR are by far the most comprehensive, and flatpaks works on a lot of distros. So I checked those.
They've also been getting their kinks worked out over the last few years and work much better than they used to.
That review you found is two years old and was for version 1.1. Current version is 1.4. Try it out today, if it's been fixed leave another review letting people know. It seems to work just fine for me, but I haven't used it before.
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Best practices?
Don't copy paste commands into the terminal you don't understand.
RTFM
Use the computer like a computer. Linux is not a lifestyle; it's a tool you use to shitpost, watch videos, play games, etc.
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TFM is best found in the form of the man (manual) files, which you can see for any given program by running:
$ man program_name
Archwiki is good too, even of you don't run Arch
You can use "extreme" distros but as long as there'y no need, stick to a "normal" distro first. You can switch whenever you want.
One of the forums regulars, Pjotr, made this website exactly for questions like that: easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.…
--> see "B. Right after the installation of Linux Mint"
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Almost everything you do on desktop linux is already "outside the core os".
This is mostly relevant for server software configuration, where you should run services with as few system privileges as possible. Preferably you isolate them entirely with a separate user with access to only the bare minimum it needs.
This way, if a service is compromised, it can't be used to access the core system, because it never had such access in the first place. Only what it needed to do its own thing.
By default, nothing you run (web browser, steam, spotify, whatever) should be "running as admin".
The only time you'll do that on desktop linux, is when doing stuff that requires it. Such as installing a new app, or updating the system. Stuff that modifies the core os and hence needs access.
Basically, unless you needed to enter you password to run something, then it's already "outside" the core os.
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EDIT:
Just saw that Malik already did mention this more succinctly. Please feel free to ignore me.
ORIGINAL COMMENT:
The comments here already cover a good bit, esp. with the link to Piotr's blog post.
However I don't see anyone reacting to your mention of the snap store.
If you want some details about that, you can read here: linuxmint-user-guide.readthedo…
But in a few words, distributing software is kinda of a mess in Linux at first glance, for various technical reasons.
To caricature, you used to only install the packages from your distribution (mint for you) repositories, and if a program wasn't in it, you had to either compile it or jump through other hoops.
Then came other formats which made distributing software across Linux distros easier, with some caveats. Two notable ones are Snap and Flatpak.
Snap was made by the guys behind Ubuntu and mint is an offshoot of Ubuntu that made the willful decision to not do snaps by default after a number of fiascos.
My advice would be: try installing software through the normal mint repositories, ideally the non Flatpak version. If it does not exist there or is buggy or whatever, consider the Flatpak. Only failing that should you look into snap IMO.
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I would say Flatpak is a good choice if you want or need features in the latest version of a package that isn't in the version Mint runs, which is typically based on the current Ubuntu LTS version (or whichever one was current for the Mint version you're on).
The main drawbacks are size on disk and the ability to work with other apps and the system, but neither issue is as bad as they're typically made out to be... If you're only installing one or two Flatpaks, they'll seem massive compared to installing the version from apt repos, but that's because they need to bring in supporting packages which are used by other Flatpaks, so if you use several of them, the space for each is a lot closer to the apt/direct installed version.
And the permissions, which can be annoying if you run into an issue with them, are typically defaulted to something that works correctly for each package, so you likely won't need to worry about that hardly ever.
But otherwise... Yeah, if you don't know why you'd want the Flatpak version and it's in the Mint apt repos/system install, go with system install. Switch to Flatpak if you're finding features you want missing that are in newer versions.
But they're shouldn't really be any reason to use Snaps on Mint.
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There are plenty of reasons why one would use Snaps on Mint... I've been using it for like 2 days and so far I got: Blender, Godot, and Signal. Blender has an older version, Godot has a super old version, and Signal isn't included in Software Manager. Outside of snap I manually downloaded Material Maker.
People keep telling me snaps are not needed and that I should find everything in the official repo and whatnot but that's just wrong generalized assumptions from what I see, neither of those 3 programs are too niche either. There are plenty of people out there that do things outside of web browsing and file management in their computers, I'm so confused why Linux out of all communities would ignore hobbies with specialized software exist, game dev even
For signal, you can add their PPA As explained here
For Godot, their website has an AppImage. This is a case where I'd say it makes sense not to have it being automatically updated, because if you work on a video game for the kind of time frame that they usually require, you want to decide when to upgrade your game engine (or not to at all) as it may break your current project. But you know your needs, just thought I'd explain the rationale for that particular one.
For Blender... Yeah if the version is outdated and you want automatic upgrades then Snap works. Maybe someone could chime in with another recommendation but that sounds sensible to me.
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I mean to be fair, I am making a conscious effort to stay open minded when I give advice to people, but I also personally would avoid snaps (and Flatpak, but for different reasons) altogether.
But this is more me being opinionated and strongly disagreeing with canonical practices. I don't mind sacrificing some of the convenience because of that, but wouldn't push it on anyone.
All this to say, I don't know the reasons why people tell you to avoid snaps, but I can imagine at least a dozen that would be valid opinions from technically minded open source people, so I would not jump to conclusions.
The snap thing has spanned a whole drama since the beginning so there's a heavy context behind you might not be aware of. Or maybe you are and don't care that's totally fine too.
Signal is included as Flatpak. You have to enable "untrusted Flatpaks" (or whatever the wording is) in the Software Manager settings.
It was a controversial thing Mint added not long ago. Discussing this in detail would derail the post though.
For the swap space, yes that's for when you run out of RAM. 48GiB is plenty of RAM, so you should be fine without it. I have 32GiB of RAM on my system and have been running without swap for ages without issue.
Hardening guides like that are mostly designed for things like web servers which are connected to the public internet and need higher scrutiny. The default configuration for distros like Mint should be secure enough for the average user.
However, don't feel invincible and run random code from random sites. Both Windows and Linux can't protect you against malicious code you run yourself.
Having organised partitions is the kind of thing that people obsessed with organisation do. For most people, the default partitioning scheme is fine. However, as always, remember to keep backups of important data.
For installing software, Mint has a Software Centre (which is distinct from the Snap Store). I'd recommend installing software using that for the average user.
In Mint, there are three main types of packages:
* Debian/APT packages, which are provided by Mint (well, technically by the Debian distro and they trickle down to Mint, but technicalities). Not all software is available from Mint's repos and they may be out of date.
* Flatpak packages, which are provided either by developers themselves or dedicated fans. They are usually more up to date and have a degree of sandboxing.
* Snap packages, which are controlled by a company named Canonical. As of late, Canonical has been a bit "ehhhh", so there's pushback against Snap. Mint has it disabled and has their reasoning explained here: linuxmint-user-guide.readthedo…
Mint's software centre is able to install both Debian and Flatpak packages. I'd recommend using it where possible since it allows automatic upgrades and easier installation/uninstallation.
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I would also add that the more you modify the system (PPAs, packages not installed via the package manager, nonstandard partition layouts) decreases the stability of your system and makes it harder to get back to your current system state if something goes wrong. I like to think about it like balancing a tower of blocks as a kid. Mint is the first block, and is very stable, but each additional block makes the system less and less stable. Mint itself is really stable, but if you do weird stuff the Mint devs can't do anything about it, which puts you in a bad position until you really know what you're doing.
The Snap store is intentionally left out by Mint, because they don't like how Ubuntu manages it. This means that even though the Ubuntu version Mint is based on supports Snap, there's no guarantee that snaps will work with the same stability which .deb/apt and flatpak packages will, because it hasn't been tested in Mint. I would advise against using it.
I tried installing a windows software with wine and it didn't work. Shrug.
Have also dualbooted for ages with no problem. The one thing I had to do was set windows to the UTC timezone so it would stop fucking up the Linux clock.
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Dual boot for sure, with the caveat that you will have to deal with the complexity and problems this may give you.
For me the only perennial problem is the system clock but ymmv
Yeah that is the reverse for me. VMs and wine have been nothing but trouble and dual booting just works.
It is annoying to have two OSes but it is literally the lowest-stress option for me lol.
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Who says I'm not a professional that needs windows for specific tasks? haha
There are many reasons why one would benefit from dual-boot, regardless of being a professional or not. You're assuming a lot of things by saying "you don't need dual boot".
But I appreciate the warning of win updates being capable of breaking my linux partition, I'll keep it in mind. I don't intend to keep the dual-boot forever but for now I'll keep it.
Thanks for asking this question, it's really amazing and helpful for us old Linux people to see the experience of somebody who's coming over fresh. I think you are asking the right kinds of questions and I wish you the best of luck.
Specifically about Windows Defender, I haven't seen any tool like that on Linux, but I am curious to see what you find out.
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Thank you, I just wish people weren't so critical about how I word my questions when it's still clear what the core question is anyway, man it's like being a casual is not welcome or something x_x
Some people are really welcoming and some others are so.... unnecessarily strict? Condescending? Harsh?
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Don’t worry about swap, you’ll be fine unless you’re usually working with huge chunks of data like big 4k video files or something.
The firewall built into mint is the kernels included nftables the same one built into Debian and Ubuntu (I think, I don’t fw Ubuntu). It’s fine. Don’t touch it. When you need to mess with it you can figure out how to open ports or split routes or whatever really easy because there’s lots of documentation out there.
Putting everything in your home folder is fine. Programs will install automatically to /bin or /usr/bin or something like that and if you want them in your home directory you could make a ~/.bin/ directory and add it to your path and have your private programs there, but:
Stop using flatpaks or snaps unless it’s your only choice! You have a built in package manager with decades of testing and development behind it and a very capable team of maintainers who watch over the packages, use that instead! That’s why they say not to use the snap store, it’s a vector for using Joes Weird Program that no one has tried before and requires Joes Special Version of a normal system library.
Use your package manager.
You’re not at the point where you understand enough to do the stuff in the linux hardening guide without making decisions that unexpectedly cause you pain somehow. That’s not an insult, sometimes you just don’t recognize the “universal” symbols for engine oil as opposed to coolant and ruin your car by the side of the road because you just don’t know. You can learn that stuff later, but it’s best not to mess with it yet. Speaking of:
If you don’t have a backup solution setup and you haven’t recovered using it and aren’t periodically checking to make sure it’s still running right, turn off disk encryption. It’s much harder, sometimes impossible, to recover data off an encrypted disk. If you don’t have a backup and you don’t know how you’d access the files on the disk without booting the computer then turn disk encryption off.
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If you have 48GB you don't need a swapfile. To min-max you could lower the "swappiness" so it uses swapfiles way less. It's just bonus memory that lives on the SSD. Swap files and swap partitions behave the same unless you run out of SSD space.
Linux system has better architecture than Windows so your system is safe unless you install a virus (of which there are way fewer).
Where you install programs? Just use the app store or terminal, the location doesn't matter.
The "hardening" is interesting though, you can go really far into security if you want. If things are installed in user-space it can't fuck with your computer on a fundamental level so it's preferred. You don't have to worry about it though unless your installing some niche programs from someone you know nothing about.
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Don't. Not yet at least, since you've picked a distro.
Remember when you first started using Windows? All that new learning?
Remember that this is new learning again. Take your time to understand things, and like another poster said, d don't blindly copy and paste.
Since you've picked Mint, utilize their community as there may be "Mint specific" solutions to many problems.
Good hunting!
Downloaded the App Center (Snap Store) and I was surprised there was even a file saying to not allow it... why is that? Is it not recommended?
Use the inbuilt Flatpack '"store". Install what you jeed from there. occasionally you wont and you'll need to dable with the comand line. Installingng .Signal springs to mind
Dual booting with W ? W will fuck up GRUB (your dual booting sysyem) eventually. Run a Windows VM inside Mint instead
I swapped 2 years ago (moved to LMDE eventually from Mint though), and luckly i have no idea wtf I am doing.
Half a dozen people said so already but I'll repeat :
backup your stuff.
You are like a tightrope walker on a high line without security. Sure the view is amazing, yes you feel free... but a misstep and that's it.
How? Well depends what your data is but start simple, copy your most important files, e.g. family photos, personal notes, etc (NOT HD movies from the Internet... not anything you can get elsewhere) on a USB stick you go stuffed in a drawer.
Once you DO have your stuff saved though, please, pretty please DO go crazy! Have fun, try weird stuff, bork your installation... and restart from a neat safe place. It's honestly amazing to learn, so deeply empowering for yourself and those around you. Just make sure your data don't suffer from it.
Microsoft is quietly walking back its diversity efforts
Microsoft has dropped its diversity and inclusion report
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Path of Exile 2: The Last of the Druids has shapeshifters, dungeon crafting, and more
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The LLMs are just somewhere between an averaging and a lossy compression of everything on GitHub. There's nothing about the current paradigm of "AI" that is going to somehow do better than just rehashing that training set but with the inclusion of various classes of errors.
I think it's better to view it as spicy search rather than any form of intelligence.
As I'm slowly evolving my own flavour of spec driven development, I'm starting to think about the generated code as a secondary artefact where main quality criteria is that it's doing what it needs to and it's covered with tests.
I guess my current analogy is that I don't care about how readable or dry is the assembly code generated by compiler.
I have the specifications and the working code with tests. I can always regenerate it if I need to.
But. I still read the produced code, steer the design and correct the obvious blunders. No vibes.
AI code will likely get to the point where it is just a higher level language
AI Coding
In my old age I’ve mostly given up trying to convince anyone of anything. Most people do not care to find the truth, they care about what pumps their bags.the singularity is nearer
Yep, it is a poor choice today.
Like all things, it will likely improve. I see a world where a pseudo-code format and some standard start to form.
Until then, it is the wild west, and I fear some people may die from the misuse of these vibe coding tools. But they aren’t necessarily useless.
main quality criteria is that it’s doing what it needs to and it’s covered with tests.
Might want to read on TDD, it's been around since last the last millennium (OK 1999 according to Wikipedia, point is, it's not new).
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Israel emptied half of Gaza: What’s next?
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/39791607
from +972’s Sunday Recap
+972Magazine [published in Israel]
Nov. 30, 2025Gazan analyst Muhammad Shehada examines how Israel is using the ‘Yellow Line’ to re-engineer its control over the Strip even after the ceasefire. [Podcast]
Also:
* Why the death penalty would cement the Israeli radical right’s ascendancy
* At settlers’ bidding, Israel arrests prominent Palestinian activist
* Israel is set to destroy our guesthouse. But Masafer Yatta still welcomes all who resist
* AI-powered surveillance firms are gunning for a share of the Gaza spoils
Israel emptied half of Gaza: What’s next?
from +972’s Sunday Recap
+972Magazine [published in Israel]
Nov. 30, 2025Gazan analyst Muhammad Shehada examines how Israel is using the ‘Yellow Line’ to re-engineer its control over the Strip even after the ceasefire. [Podcast]
Also:
* Why the death penalty would cement the Israeli radical right’s ascendancy
* At settlers’ bidding, Israel arrests prominent Palestinian activist
* Israel is set to destroy our guesthouse. But Masafer Yatta still welcomes all who resist
* AI-powered surveillance firms are gunning for a share of the Gaza spoilshttps://www.972mag.com/wp-content/themes/rgb/newsletter.php?page_id=8§ion_id=188727
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Looks Like We Can Finally Kiss the Metaverse Goodbye
It appears Meta's Horizon Worlds may literally and figuratively not have legs after all.
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Honduras Vote Stuns Libre with Return of Traditional Parties as Trump’s Endorsement Reshapes Election
José Luis Granados Ceja
Dec 02, 2025
Hondurans, particularly those from the country’s social movements, expressed a prevailing sense of disappointment in Libre.“We found that, in the short time they had, they generated a lot of frustration among the population because there was no clear government plan—no clear roadmap for where they were going to lead us—especially in seeking structural solutions to the major conflicts affecting the population,” Juana Esquivel, a member of the coordinating committee of the Tocoa Municipal Committee, which has been heavily involved in campesino land struggles in the department of Colón, told Drop Site News.
Honduras Vote Stuns Libre with Return of Traditional Parties as Trump’s Endorsement Reshapes Election
Hondurans delivered an upset vote that sidelined the ruling Libre Party, boosted traditional elites, and underscored the impact of Donald Trump’s unprecedented interventionJosé Luis Granados Ceja (Drop Site News)
Nearly 2 Months Into 'Ceasefire,' IDF Kills 2 More Palestinian Children as Gaza Death Toll Passes 70,000
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The Palestinian Health Ministry reported Saturday that nearly two months after Israel and Hamas reached a ceasefire agreement, the death toll in Israel's war on Gaza has passed 70,000 as the Israel Defense Forces have continued to claim they are targeting only Hamas fighters—while killing civilians including two children who were gathering firewood for their father on Saturday.
Fadi Abu Assi, 11, and Goma Abu Assi, eight, were close to a school sheltering displaced Palestinians near Beni Suhaila in southern Gaza when the IDF fired a drone in the area, killing both boys.
"They are children...what did they do? They do not have missiles or bombs, they went to gather wood for their father so he can start a fire," the boys' uncle, Mohamed Abu Assi, told Sky News.
Breaking the Silence, an IDF veterans' group whose members speak out against Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories, condemned the military for a statement it released on the killing, which the group said amounted to "a pile of words meant only to keep justifying endless killing under insane and ruthless rules of engagement."
The IDF told Sky News that troops had "identified two suspects who crossed the yellow line," the point to which the IDF withdrew as part of the ceasefire deal in October.
The military said the two boys had "conducted suspicious activities on the ground, and approached IDF troops operating in the southern Gaza Strip, posing an immediate threat to them."
The IDF claimed it identified the eight- and 11-year-old boys and "eliminated the suspects in order to remove the threat."
Despite the ceasefire, said Kenneth Roth, former executive director of Human Rights Watch, "the Israeli military is still killing children."
— (@)Drop Site News condemned the New York Times' coverage of the boys' killing, with the newspaper writing in a headline that "Gazans say" Fadi and Goma Abu Assi were killed by Israeli forces.
"The boys’ bodies, their ages, and their identities are fully documented—including videos of their lifeless shrouds and their wheelchair-bound father weeping over them—backed by eyewitness accounts and hospital confirmation," said Drop Site.
⭕️ Israeli Troops Murder Two Gaza Boys, 11 and 8, as They Collected Firewood for Their Wheelchair-Bound Father — IDF Says “Suspects” were “Posing an Immediate Threat.”Two Palestinian brothers — Fadi, 11, and Goma Abu Assi, 8 — were killed by an Israeli drone strike near a… t.co/VKCHVKnIaa pic.twitter.com/vNeIoapKjk
— Drop Site (@DropSiteNews) November 29, 2025The Times also reduced "the 350+ Palestinians killed since the October 10 ceasefire to 'persistent violence,'" said the outlet.
The health ministry, whose statistics the World Health Organization and other international agencies have long viewed as credible, said 356 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces since the first phase of the truce began.
The Times' framing, said Drop Site, "hides the truth that the violence is one-directional, systematic, and directed at civilians who pose no threat to Israelis."
On Sunday, the outlet reported that the IDF was "boasting about breaking the ceasefire" as it announced troops had killed four Palestinian fighters as they emerged from underground tunnels in eastern Rafah.
"It remains unclear whether today’s casualties were fighters or civilians or children," said Drop Site.
Hossam Badran, a member of Hamas' political bureau, told Al Jazeera Sunday that the group is searching for the two remaining bodies of deceased Israeli captives, to be returned to Israel in accordance with the ceasefire deal, and accused Israeli officials of "using these bodies as a pretext to delay movement to the second phase of the ceasefire."
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Updates: Gaza death toll rises as Israel intensifies West Bank attacks
Health Ministry says 356 killed by Israel since October ceasefire as army ramps up detentions, arrests in West Bank.Tim Hume (Al Jazeera)
Maduro Vows Venezuela Will Be a 'Colony Never Again' as Trump Intensifies Threats
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Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro remained defiant on Monday as US President Donald Trump plotted "next steps" against the South American nation with top national security brass.
Before thousands of Venezuelans at a rally in Caracas, the nation’s embattled president said he would not accept peace on US terms unless it came “with sovereignty, equality, and freedom.”
“We do not want a slave’s peace, nor the peace of colonies! Colony, never! Slaves, never!” he said.
The speech came days after Trump announced that the US would close Venezuelan airspace, which many interpreted as a final step before a series of strikes on the mainland.
The US has framed its military buildup in the Southern Caribbean as part of a campaign to stop drug smuggling, the same justification it has used to carry out the extrajudicial bombings of more than 20 boats in the region—which have killed at least 83 people—while disclosing zero proof of the victims' involvement with drug trafficking.
Trump has also accused Maduro of being the leader of the so-called "Cartel de los Soles," which he slapped with the label of “Foreign Terrorist Organization” last month, even though it is not an "organization" at all, but a media shorthand to refer to alleged connections between Venezuelan leaders and the drug trade.
Meanwhile, both US and international assessments have found that Venezuela is but a minor player in the global drug trade.
The US has amassed more than 15,000 troops outside Venezuela, the most it's sent to the region since 1989, when the administration of former President George H.W. Bush launched a land invasion of Panama to overthrow its drug-running dictator Manuel Noriega. Documents obtained by *T**he* *Intercept* last week suggested that the US seeks to maintain "a massive military presence in the Caribbean" for years to come.
"By a factor of at least 10, the US presence is too great for even an intensified anti-drug operation," wrote US national editor Edward Luce in the Financial Timeson Tuesday.
Trump's motive for stopping drug trafficking was further called into question after he pardoned former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández, a onetime US ally who was sentenced last year to 45 years in prison for helping to traffic at least 400 tons of cocaine to the US. The pardon was issued as part of Trump's efforts to influence Honduras' upcoming election to secure the victory of right-wing candidate Nasry “Tito” Asfura.
The goal of regime change was essentially confirmed on Monday when Reutersreported that Trump had offered Maduro safe passage out of Venezuela if he were willing to abdicate power during a phone call on November 21.
“You can save yourself and those closest to you, but you must leave the country now,” Trump reportedly told Maduro.
Maduro reportedly said he'd be willing to accept the offer if his family members were granted complete amnesty and the US removed sanctions against them, as well as over 100 other Venezuelan officials. He also asked for the case against him before the International Criminal Court (ICC) to be dropped.
Trump rejected that deal, and his offer of safe passage expired on Friday, the day before the US announced it had closed Venezuelan airspace. Trump confirmed to the press on Sunday that the talks had happened, but provided few additional details.
Maduro has categorically denied involvement with drug trafficking and has portrayed the White House's sabre-rattling as a "colonial threat." Last week, while brandishing the sword of South American anticolonial hero Simón Bolívar, he pledged that Venezuela would be a "colony never again."
On Sunday, he accused Trump of trying to "seize" the nation's oil reserves. He has called for the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) to step in to help the country counter what he said were “growing and illegal threats” from Trump.
Venezuela has the world’s largest proven oil reserves—about a fifth of the Earth’s total, and more than Iraq had at the time of the George W. Bush administration's 2003 invasion. However, US sanctions against Venezuela largely block American oil companies from accessing the reserves, which are controlled by the nation’s state-owned oil company Petróleos de Venezuela. These sanctions, which have limited Venezuela's ability to export its most valuable natural resource, are considered one of the primary reasons for the nation's economic instability in recent years.
While at a rally in 2023, Trump said he regretted not having "taken [Venezuela] over" during his first term. "We would have gotten to all that oil; it would have been right next door,” he said.
"We’ve seen this tragic play before," wrote Richard Steiner, a former marine professor with the University of Alaska, this weekend in Common Dreams. "The Bush administration justified its disastrous 2003 invasion of Iraq with the pretext that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, which, as it turned out, it didn’t. And as US Central Command commander General John Abizaid admitted about the Iraq war at the time: 'Of course it’s about oil, it’s very much about oil, and we can’t really deny that.'"
"A similar pretext—this time 'drug interdiction'—is being used to justify a potential US invasion and regime change in Venezuela," he continued. "But this is not about stopping the flow of dangerous drugs, it is about actually increasing the flow of the dangerous drug some pushers want to keep us all hooked on—oil."
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Trump's Threat to Invade Venezuela Is Indeed About Drugs–Oil, That Is
This is not about stopping the flow of dangerous drugs, it is about actually increasing the flow of the dangerous drug some pushers want to keep us all hooked on.richard-steiner (Common Dreams)
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Radar revelation stokes fears Caribbean could be drawn into US-Venezuela crisis
After being pressed by reporters, Persad-Bissessar admitted on Friday that at least 100 marines were in the country, along with a military-grade radar, believed to be a long-range, high-performance AN/TPS-80 G/ATOR, which the US defence company Northrop Grumman said was used for air surveillance, defence and counter-fire.The prime minister claimed the radar installation in the country, which is only seven miles away from Venezuela at its closest point, is part of a counter-drug trafficking strategy, and that she had withheld details in the interest of national security and to avoid alerting drug traffickers.
Radar revelation stokes fears Caribbean could be drawn into US-Venezuela crisis
Trinidad PM rejects claims installation is in support of US campaign but opposition says ‘they have sold soul of nation’Natricia Duncan (The Guardian)
Which private (no cloud requirement) wireless home security cameras save footage locally without monthly subscription?
I tried wyze and find it silly how video clips are limited to 5 seconds unless you give them money every month. I want something where the footage is saved on a local sdcard/hdd without any cloud reliance.
Even better if I don't have to be locked into using the manufacturer's app, but I'm flexible on that.
I hope someone here shows up with good modern options.
For OP. Reolink has a DVR and wireless type cameras.
However be careful on which cameras you get as not all the wireless versions work with the DVR. Think this is mostly the battery powered ones. Also not sure if this has changed since original purchase a few years back.
ZoneMinder - Home
A full-featured, open source, state-of-the-art video surveillance software system.zoneminder.com
I use TP Link C100 cameras in local network mode and a Reolink doorbell in a similar manner. Standard RTSP feeds and an internal mini web server, plus plenty of privacy controls.
Both of these products are pretty cheap considering their configurability — they do both provide the option to do the whole cloud subscription thing, but work fine for me without it. I have Home Assistant on the back end to manage live streams, but find I usually just read data off the internal SD card instead.
I would recommend PoE security cameras. You probably want support for RTSP / ONVIF.
I have some Amcrest cameras talking to Frigate. It is completely local---cameras on a separate VLAN that can't talk to the Internet, footage is recorded on a server running Frigate. Works very well for me. No vendor lock-in is also nice!
Cameras can be battery powered only, or use a solar panel for continual recharging or the battery.
The only flaw is the flaw with any wireless camera, that there is a delay from activity recognition to the record time. So you might miss something depending on your camera positioning.
If you don't already have device powerful enough to run frigate, I would advise to look for a mini pc with n100 or n150 processors, they are not very expensive (around 150€) and don't consume much electricity (close to raspberry pi 5 while being more powerful).
I have multiple Reolink cameras at this point and just have them recording to a SD card and blocked from the internet.
They have local ML models for human, animal and vehicle detection, so something like Frigate isn’t strictly necessary, though I haven’t bothered setting them up with Home Assistant yet and mainly use them with the Reolink app and VLC with RTSP. Sometimes, I unblock them from the internet temporarily if I’m going to need to access them remotely.
Since nobody else has mentioned it yet, you can install a version of the firmware that enabled RTSP streaming, which you could point at a Linux server with an NVR application on it, or any consumer/commercial NVR with RTSP streaming enabled
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There might be a better one out there. This one sometimes displays the text wonky.
Yeah I'm lucky I made my account lemmy.ml and stay in local.
Hold on...it's always you
On a similar note, the UFO sightings from yesteryear are the drone sightings of today.
It was ~~Aliens~~ Putin
Kiev will have to make ‘painful concessions’ to achieve peace – German foreign minister
Kiev will have to make ‘painful concessions’ to achieve peace – German foreign minister
Now is a good time to settle the Ukraine conflict, but Kiev must make “painful concessions,” Germany’s foreign minister has saidRT
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Well if we're not going to bother helping them win, then yeah, I guess they should surrender for now until Russia's recovered enough that they can finish the job.
Fuck Ukraine, not our problem, there's nothing we can do anyway and none of this is ever going to affect any of us. /s
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Well if we’re not going to bother helping them win
We've been happy to lard them up with debt and sell them overpriced military surplus. Idk if that counts as "helping them win" but we've made a handsome profit off it.
Fuck Ukraine, not our problem
Hey now. Don't look at Ukraine as a problem. Look at Ukraine as a big play for recently vacated real estate. Jared Kushner is going to make so much fucking money leasing Ukraine's land back to its residents.
Now Ukrainians? They're going to get fucked.
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I don’t know why they can’t single-handedly win a war against a country 10x their size using only our obsolete overpriced leftovers
I mean, ask Afghanistan, Vietnam, or Korea.
But also ask why these wars popped off to begin with and why they dragged on long after any foreign country had a material interest in continuing the fight.
Also maybe look into the UON and question why the Canadian Parliament was applauding an elderly SS Officer who described WW2 as the best years of his life.
Tons of profit in war mongering.
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you’re bringing in other entities into the discussion
No mate, that was you.
Russia already took over Georgia
Yeah? Really?
"No investigation, no write to speak" really should be enforced policy.
they’d do so with votes or formal agreements.
Donbas and Crimea tried, Ukraine forbid it.
When foreign tanks roll across borders, any claim of a peaceful integration is a fucking lie, and is in fact a bullying, aggressive act of war.
Local liberal condemns D-Day landings.
I keep mentioning just Russia and Ukraine, no one else
Well that's just straight up false:
I hate that my country isn’t doing more. Russia already took over Georgia . That just shows the world .Ummm, you’re saying DDay was the same as Russia invading Ukraine?
You said:
When foreign tanks roll across borders, any claim of a peaceful integration is a fucking lie, and is in fact a bullying, aggressive act of war.Seems France wasn’t operating at that time as an autonomous power.
Unlike Donbas and Crimea....
Once again, you went off track and I was fool enough to follow. Smh.
Local liberal furious that someone actually responded to the words that they wrote.
Don't get your hopes up yet. The EU is interested in prolonging this war as long as possible. Else betting on war economy is even worse than it already is. Germany simply likes to pretend that they love peace (we aren't Nazis anymore pls we promise OK?). In the meanwhile we will supply weapons like the killing machines we always wanted to be. And when the world is ready for our peace....
...pls let someone else be the pos this time
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German officials hint that Ukraine may face "painful concessions" ending in referendum
Before any lib confusion, pravda.com.ua is the Ukrayinska Pravda, a Ukrainian online newspaper.
German officials hint that Ukraine may face "painful concessions" ending in referendum
МЗС Німеччини: Україна може погодитися на поступки для миру з Росією та провести референдум.Ivanna Kostina (Ukrainska Pravda)
How many Z's does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Well we've verified about 152,000 attempts - some even say as much as a million - but Ukraine is still stacking the bodies to find out.
Also, how's Putin's boots taste like?
No argument that Ukraine isn't run by nazis, just immediate childish defensiveness. That's how you know you're on the right side
You are a nazi supporter. Allow this fact to permeate your awareness
Trump administration says it will withhold SNAP from Democrat-led states if they don't provide data
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump’s administration said Tuesday that it will move to withhold SNAP food aid from recipients in most Democratic-controlled states starting next week unless they provide information about those receiving the assistance.
Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins said at a Cabinet meeting Tuesday that the action is in the works because those states are refusing to provide data the department requested such as the names and immigration status of the aid recipients.
She said the cooperation is necessary in order to root out fraud in the program. Democratic states have sued to block the requirement.
About 42 million lower-income Americans, or 1 in 8, rely on SNAP to help buy groceries. The average monthly benefit is about $190 per person, or a little over $6 a day. The program is not normally in the political spotlight, but it has been this year.
https://apnews.com/article/food-aid-snap-rollins-blue-states-edf7a10ab409fe471ae81a13823484ab
Bazzite just delivered over a petabyte of ISOs in a single month
Bazzite is seeing an insane amount of growth right now
One of the best gaming Linux OSes just shifted 1,000,000 GB of ISOs in a single month
That's a lot of downloading.Simon Batt (XDA)
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Yes but they force you to use GTK apps by default for the core apps.
They even replaced Discover with Bazaar where you can't see certain package types (like mangohud) and have to install them manually, can't browse by category and just get "selected" games shoved in your phase, as well as getting no update notifications and it will silently fail sometimes in the background with no notifications or messages.
Bazaar has the best search by far, try them all, youll actually find stuff using bazaar, like fps will actually show all the fps, the rest wont, tried them all trying to find the best appstore
The first thing I noticed was how bad the search was on kde and gnome for the software stores.
(Tried cosmic, appcenter, etc. also)
By "core apps", you mean literally only two applications.
The terminal is replaced with one that has a container workflow because that is the recommended and expected workflow for anyone working in a terminal.
The store is replaced with Bazaar because it is the only one that is even trying to provide a good flathub experience.
That's it. Everything else is stock KDE.
My understanding is that one of the upsides to Bazzite is that Nvidia drivers are pretty easy to install and manage. That was the thing that turned me off of Fedora when I tried making the switch to that a couple years ago.
Is that easy to do in Kinoite? This is the first I’ve heard of it, and it sounds like exactly what I would want out of Bazzite.
What about steamOS for a steam machine that has all AMD hardware so Nvidia drivers will not be an issue.
I'm building an htpc that will never be used in desktop mode just couch gaming used by kids too. Still trying to decide which os to go with.
Just want to know what the downsides if any of installing SteamOS if I just want valve to handle it for me.
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Should be manageable and it is probably less than you would imagine. Just checked real quick: the isos load from download.bazzite.gg, which is a Cloudflare IP. So they are either using it as CDN or even more likely use Cloudflares R2 storage for isos - which would mean they pay for storage (~15$/TB) and operations, but not for egress. This is seems ideal for few but huge files.
So for a single iso (~7 GB) they would pay 0,105$ for storage monthly and additionally 0,36$ per million of class B operations (reads/downloads). Of course they host more than one ISO, but for this example it would have been downloaded about ~150000 times to reach the petabyte.
So yeah, the ISO download is probably less of a problem. (Disclaimer: lot of assumptions, check in with a bazzite dev for clarity)
Bazzite ($) - Open Collective
Bazzite is an operating system for gamers: latest drivers, unbeatable stability, great game support.opencollective.com
Founder here, we have a sponsorship deal with Cloudflare that thankfully covers the vast majority of this. Our hosting costs right now for everything, including the GitHub runners, are $65, with the domain being another $100/yr.
The intention with the donations is to pay for those costs, travel for Linux conventions, and for us to have a fund for additional higher cost items like eventually doing proper secure boot support. At no point will myself or others be collecting a paycheck out of those funds, and I've been paying our bills for the last 3 years or so. I'm privileged to be able to do this as a hobby and not as a job.
Thank you for thinking about us! I appreciate the sentiment
Eh costs likely basically nothing. They appear to use cloud flare CDN which has unlimited bandwidth.
So really all they're doing is getting their money's worth from their subscription. Lol
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There's a link with the time appended.
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Gamer's Nexus has heard a lot of interest in their community about gaming on linux. So they've been working with Wendell from Level1Techs to put together a Linux benchmarking workflow. They chose Bazzite for those efforts.
Gamer's Nexus likes to make frequent use of a clip from an Intel presentation where one of the presenters says "Thanks Steve," because the main personality on Gamers Nexus is Stephen Burke.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4vr4reTN8&t=6s
Yes... ha ha ha... YES!
(i dont even use bazzite but love that for them)
I'm doing my part.
I set up bazzite in a VM and passed my GPU thru it.
Now I've got a nuc clone in my office with bazzite on it as well and it's just a moonlight client. But it's silent. Or damn close. The GPU is two floors away, I hear nothing!
That was two separate downloads, too...Nvidia-gnone and gnome-standard.
I was on Nobara a couple months ago and liked it...but a colleague piqued my interest on immutable distros and now here I am.
Aurora sitting down there at the bottom of the desktop OSs. I'd love to some of the Bazzite users migrate to Bluefin or Aurora.
If you're not aware, switching between different Universal Blue OSs is super easy, with one caveat. Switching from a GNOME OS to a KDE OS or vice versa is problematic.
Bluefin comaintainer here. The metrics are flathub and app developer donations, not the base image. You spread the love when you install a flatpak or buy a linux game and make those numbers go up.
The idea that the base OS is important isn't a thing, the only way to fix the economics of the linux desktop is to focus on applications, not distros.
Switching from a GNOME OS to a KDE OS or vice versa is problematic.
I did that a few times already on different installs and never had any problems, besides the window decorations/ theming being off and needing to set them again.
What issues could be expected?
That's not how these OSs work. You're thinking in terms of traditional distros.
Think of it like this. With an image-based OS like Bazzite, whenever you do an update or you switch between different flavors, it's like completely wiping the system directories and reinstalling them fresh, while leaving the user directories alone.
So you're not removing GNOME or KDE. It's like they were never installed in the first place.
Cosmic is subjectively the best DE out there. Popos 24 is scheduled for release in a week, it’s awesome.
It’s a Ubuntu fork so it’s easy to follow Ubuntu based guides. Starting with 24 they’re going to stay much more in sync with Ubuntu LTS.
Besides that, modern kernel, out of the box nvidia and disk encryption. Oh and pop is maintained by system76 that ships actual hardware (laptops and desktops) so it’s in their own best interest to have good modern hardware support. It’s a fantastic distro
If you want a console like experience on your PC then use bazzite. If you want the same experience but with out the console lock down use cachyOS.
Depends on how much you do with your PC really. Like bazzite has one of the best out-of-box experiences there is. Basically everything is preset up. But if you need to say, leave the steam ecosystem. Things become infinitely more complicated than any other distro to do anything with that is both the benefit in downfall of an immutable distro. It makes sure you can't f*** anything up but it also means you can't f*** anything up if you get what I mean.
While cachyOS has the exact same out-of-box experience with the sole exception of you have to push one button and type in your password. And if you do need to leave the steam ecosystem, it's at the end of the day a normal distribution so you can just do whatever you want.
The downside is you can do whatever you want so you can break s***.
Basically comes down to bazzite is basically old Windows. You are not allowed to do anything really without a lot of jumping through hoops. It means you're going to get a consistent experience and it's going to be reliable, but only within the operating parameters set out by the distribution.
While cachyOS is basically all of the same upsides but without any of the guardrails. So if you want just a good out of box experience it's there. All the compatibility is the same if not generally better in the real world. But again, if you're stupid or unable to read basic instructions there's a good chance that you break something and you'll have no idea how to fix it. Short of a reinstall.
I would give a child bazzite 100% of the time. Immutable this shows work is a fantastic form of parental control. Because while the barrier exists and will prevent most kids from doing something stupid with their computer, it's not insurmountable and you still can do whatever you want with your computer. It's just not easy.
But in either case, I would choose literally shooting myself in the foot before using anything in the debian or Ubuntu family if my primary goal is gaming. I love Debian but it in its family of distros are so out of date and require so much f****** to actually bring in newer packages and make sure that they actually compete even half as well as a fedora or arch-based option that it's not worth the hassle. You're far more prone to breaking a Debian mint popos install. Trying to make it equivalent to bazzite or cachy for gaming. Than you are breaking an arch install by just randomly installing packages from the aur without reading anything.
I‘m one of them. I already only used Windows for gaming and seeing where this OS is going, made me try Linux again and this time might be the first time I might stick with it, thanks to Bazzite.
Games run incredibly well and compatibility is surprisingly good at this point. The only exception are games with invasive anti-cheat like the new Battlefield. But I guess it’s just a pro that I won’t buy a game that essentially has malware included with it.
Problem generally is that the moment you do have to leave steam. It's infinitely worse and basically impossible to use for a low skilled or new user compared to other gamer distros that do the exact same thing as bazzite but arnt immutable.
Immutability is great till you need to actually do anything at all. It's such a catch 22. To a new user, it means you can't accidentally f*** anything up, but also to a new user basically means your computer is a glorified console and you can't do anything with it because you lack the skill set in knowledge to actually do anything in looking. Anything up basically isn't going to be helpful for you cuz basically every guide and written account anywhere you find isn't going to be geared towards an immutable distro.
The immutable gimmick that's currently going on right now is still way too flavor of the month for new users who are trying to learn from a ground set of nothing.
If I was giving a computer to like a kid who I didn't want to be able to do anything I would give it to them as a form of parental control more than anything.
The immutable gimmick that’s currently going on right now is still way too flavor of the month for new users who are trying to learn from a ground set of nothing.
New users aren't going to administer their computers either. there's no "flavor of the month" it's just teaching new users how to administer linux systems properly. And of course directions on the internet are going to be incorrect, the only correct solution is to follow the documentation, not random guides on the internet.
What exactly do you think someone is going to have to do that isn't easily done on Bazzite? Bazzite isn't based around Steam. 99% of users will install everything they need from Flathub and be perfectly fine.
Also, you can do anything you want with an "immutable" distro, it's just done differently. Immutable is a bad and unclear descriptor, which is why Bazzite uses atomic.
As I understand it, it's atomic Fedora with virtually everything you might need to game on Linux baked in (no need for layering) and more or less preconfigured. Off the top of my head, proprietary Nvidia drivers, Steam, Lutris, Hero launcher, support for Xbox One wireless controller dongle, plus a number of useful tools like Tailscale. An app with a catered list of gaming-oriented flatpacks, one click updating. Also a lot of effort into replicating the Steam Deck experience for handheld devices or devices connected to a TV.
I believe they also do Aurora, which is similarly geared toward workstations with a ton of container-related tools like distro box readily available to easily use containers instead of layering where possible. The same tools may be available in Bazzite but I never checked. I have Aurora on my laptop and use a dedicated gaming device with Bazzite.
I'm not a Linux veteran by any means but I was hopping distros looking for something I could install on my family's computers I tried atomic Fedora. When using it for myself, I became frustrated with the number of tools I use that needed to be layered or run in a container and eventually found myself on Bazzite and Aurora. So far so good.
Immutable distros are currently the flavor of the month and it's basically just that. Bazzite is just a worse cachyOS. But because it's immutable it's the flavor of the month and therefore it's the hype new thing.
Everyone loves the hype new thing. Even though in all realistic aspects, it's more overly complicated. It's more prone to causing issues for new users. It's less proven.
There's a good argument to be made that the project might just end up imploding in a year or two and dying out and f****** over all these new users who are flocking to it because of rampant suggestions.
Is also the general issue of Fedora and its family being prone to breaking itself from early adoption of new ideas. People love to give Arch s*** but Fedora tends to be the one that actually implodes itself for low-skilled users.
Got to love flavor of the month
There's a good argument to be made that the project might just end up imploding in a year or two and dying out
Could you make this argument?
No they can't, they can only say "flavor of the month" nonstop until another parrot catches it and repeats it
I can counter argument their non-existing argument, if bazzite dies tomorrow you are free to rebase to any other Fedora Atomic distro
It's nonsense you can just use one command to swap from bazzite to kinoite if it does, it's very easy and low effort to distro hop on fedora atomic based distros
And half of the project is mostly just automated package update pulls and compiling them into images
A lot of things are built into it to be easily installable with less user effort. Has nice defaults. I use cachyos on my pc but on my handheld a lot of stuff wasn't working by default, like the handhelds buttons/joystick. On bazzite everything works by default. (Think it's one terminal command to install what is needed for controls in cachyos, but it didn't work by default) You can still download whatever using rpm ostree, as a user idr know the difference. Grabbed gparted that way. Bazzite has the ujust command which gives you a lot of options for modifying and installing stuff easily like waydroid, emudeck, plugins, etc.
Also prefer gnome with extensions on touchscreens and handhelds, while everything else comes with kde and it's apps by default. Kde isn't bad at all and only 1 extension on pc (window thumbnails to pip any window) has me staying on gnome, but gnome works so much better for touchscreens and smaller devices.
Kinda makes linux look like a weird old windows clone, while other desktops can be very modern and way prettier than Windows
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Booting Gnome for the first time is such a baffling experience. Then you discover extensions and it feels pretty good.
I don't like that I'm beholden to extensions that may break after an update to get what I want out of it, but I still use it on my laptop cause it's the best touchscreen experience I've had (after tweaks)
Why is Mint wasting their spot as the recommendation for Windows users? Is it simply no longer developed or are the devs set in their ways of the UI having to look like Windows7?
Also it's getting confusing with Zorin and Bazzite and even Aurora which is a Bazzite desktop spinoff as a recommendation.
I spent years running Ubuntu. I've typed 'sudo apt-get install' so many times I got carpel fingernail from doing it. 'sudo dnf install' is less typing and could have saved my fingernails. Now I use Kinonite and have all updates set to automatic and I very seldom even need to do anything at all.
Yes, I'm old, lazy, and can't be bothered anymore. Why do you ask? ;)
How about
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Even more simple, and now guess the update command
Yea, it is just
yay
Damn I love endeavourOS (Arch for lazy people)
Edit: ohh, automatically, yea, for that I use opensuse TW as it updates automatically prior shutdown
Mint is great! It taught me the basics of linux.
Meanwhile SteamOS bewildered me with no printing support
It suffers from the same problem all Debian/Ubuntu family distros suffer from.
Being horribly out of date. It's a very slow moving family of distros. Which can be a good thing if your work load doesn't involve new hardware and software along with a focus on stability and reliability. Since if things don't update they can't break.
This can result in support for hardware and software being upwards of two to three YEARS out of date. Which for gamers for example is unacceptable and causes issues more often then not.
It's the why fedora or arch based distros are generally speaking the better option to suggest to people. Depending on their level of intelligence, education and willingness to learn.
Bazzite and cachyOS for example are both fantastic for gamers.
Fedora or endeavour for your run of the mill office PC.
There is a serious argument to be made that the mass adoption of bazzite and the general flavor of the month affection for immutable distros is very likely going to cause issues for loads of users down the road.
So bazzite being overly popular is somewhat concerning. Flavor of the month distros have a bad tendency to implode randomly.
This can result in support for hardware and software being upwards of two to three YEARS out of date. Which for gamers for example is unacceptable and causes issues more often then not.
I think your perspective might be a bit biased towards your own bubble here. People are still buying Nintendo Switch's. People are still buying Steam Decks.
I am getting close to 600 games in my Steam Library, but only 2 were released this year. Both were Indie games (Fragrance Point and Tower Wizard).
Ram is costing hundreds of dollars. GPU's are costing thousands. Desktop gaming, heck desktop ownership in general, has been falling off. If people are still on x86, they are more likely to be on laptops.
For the average person, the idea that you need your OS to be updated every couple of weeks so that you can check your email and play Minecraft with your kids is insane.
I feel like this might come down to more people building their own towers vs buying them outright, whereas those who wouldn't be inclined to build their own PC are instead defaulting to laptops.
I'd be curious what it looked like during Covid, because a lot of non-PC gamers I knew all of a sudden were interested in building their own rigs.
I had issues daily and each time I looked it was actually fixed but not available in the distro.
It was especially amnoying for development where I had to manually compile newer versions.
Snap being forced while being outdated as well was also part of it.
So bazzite being overly popular is somewhat concerning. Flavor of the month distros have a bad tendency to implode randomly.
If it implodes you can just rebase to kinoite with a single command without needing to backup anything
if you're running a pc with no major components newer than ~2-3 years old then mint is fine
the idea that it's "bad for gaming" is nonsense unless you're running near-bleeding edge hardware or are exceptionally sweaty about eking out an additional couple of frames per second
Absolutely nothing. If you're vibin' with Mint, 3 Huzzahs for you! If you get curious to try something else later, that's great too!
It's not the distro you use that matters in the story of Life, it's the fact you use Linux that matters.
If you have 0 issues and aren't bored with it either, keep using it. It's completely fine.
People often have various reasons for not using it. E.g they want more up-to-date packages so they go with a rolling release distro, or they want to use a different package manager, or they want an immutable distro. Mint is just a generalist distro that works fine for most people, but doesn't excel at any particular thing. Same as Ubuntu LTS, but with a nicer UI and less commercialization, so I see it as a great alternative to Ubuntu LTS. Ubuntu non-LTS may be more up to date though.
There's nothing wrong with Mint, it's solid. If it works for you don't stress about it
The only thing is that it's based on Ubuntu LTS so it's packages can be a bit old. Doesn't really matter much unless you have very new hardware and need the hardware support. Then something Fedora based like Bazzite would be better.
For getting newer software you can use flatpak/Flathub.
Bazzite is also "immutable" which makes it harder to break on a system level, but also harder to tinker on a system level. Mint is a "normal" distribution in that regard. Mint does have Timeshift for taking system level snapshots, on the off chance that an update or your tinkering breaks something. Its worth checking that Timeshift is set up for automatic snapshots
If you're looking for the immutable Plasma experience, Kinonite IS the best choice. Bazzite, Aurora, and I think Zoran, are reliant on whatever their foundation distro is doing. Other than having some presets you might like, they offer little else.
But if you like one of them, more power to you, use it and enjoy!
besides all its desktops not supporting Wayland (ig X11 is better for beginners??)
Why? me and SO have been on mint only for a year now and love it.
Couple other pcs have popos which is OK but a bit buggy for me
I'm perfectly fine with Mint as a recommendation. It's not what I would choose, but it does work for a large portion of people without issues.
I am very glad that I hardly ever see Manjaro recommended to new comers anymore though - that's a curse/trap. There are so much better "Arch but easier" distros now that are rock solid.
Why though? I don't like it personally but it's my #1 recommendation usually. (can't recommend slackware to noobs)
If they have issues they're gonna ask me for tech support, and I don't know how to use immutable distros (lol)
Mint's mouse acceleration was what killed it for me. Setting acceleration to "constant" still felt rubber-bandy and fucked up, and there's no obvious "Off" option. That was a hard stop. It never felt like I was using my PC but instead a rubber-bandy immitation. I immediately switched. It's frustrating considering that the rest of the OS seemed OK, I could have seen myself using it if not for that.
Bazzite immediately felt "good" to use right out of the box. No baked in acceleration weirdness. Kudos to the team for really putting in the effort to make this old gamer feel right at home in it. Now going on over a year of it and still loving it.
podman works well, docker is a little finicky due to some systemd weirdness and the whole immutability of it all.
it mainly tries to get you to use distroboxes which are awesome. you can even install something in a distrobox and expose it to the host.
they're all containerization programs yes. I believe they differ in some minor details but thanks to the OCI standards a image built with docker will run in podman or vice versa.
distrobox is a little more feature rich for development, meant for exposing services and are interactive by default, vs dockers run and forget methodology.
Distrobox is more like running an entire other Linux distro to run your program, so like before my laptop died completely I had Bazzite and needed to install something locally that was way easier to do in an Ubuntu Distrobox, any time I wanted to run that program I open up my distrobox and run it, felt very native and the app and its files were still in my normal home directory yet ran with dependencies and such I had in the distrobox only.
Definitely nifty but different from the goal of podman/docker imo
Yes, but the beauty of it is that it plugs in Steam immediately. If you're installing it on a machine that uses Steam and sometimes browses it is a one-stop shop.
I offloaded Windows 10 entirely, installed bazzite, and played Hollow Knight and the entire Dark Souls trilogy from the same installation on the same harddrive I'd had them on Windows. Didnt even need to reinstall.
To me that's impressive. I only had a few crashes overall too.
If you've got actual work to do, don't.
I've got Bazzite on my TV PC, and it's pretty cromulent for that, but Flatpak alone doesn't have everything I need to do actual work.
I had such a good experience switching to bazzite (from arch btw) that I put Aurora on my wife's Ryzen 2500u laptop when windows 10 was taken out to a nice farm.
That went well until she said her friend's kids couldn't play games anymore. I quickly and flawlessly rebased it to bazzite and set up games.
A few hiccups with lacking Microsoft Office and having to learn the alternatives was the only issue she has had but that only took a few days for her to get down.
Plasma/KDE as a first class citizen.
KDE is second-class to GNOME on Fedora.
KDE is second-class to GNOME on Fedora.
It is? I ask because I've always used Fedora KDE and honesty it's been the best KDE experience I've had. Now I'm curious how much better the Fedora GNOME experience might be if it's prioritized so much more, but I've never seriously used GNOME so I don't think I can make a fair assessment. In what ways is KDE deprioritized?
They should use this technology we used purely for uh... "Linux ISOs' back is the day.
BitTorrent.
Inside Israel's shadow campaign to win over American media
Back in March 2011, the Israeli consulate in New York City had a problem. A group of soldiers from the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were coming to the U.S. on a PR trip, and Israeli officials needed help persuading influential media outlets to interview the delegation.
Luckily for the consulate, a new organization called Act For Israel, led by Israeli-American actor Noa Tishby, was prepared to swing into action. “[I]n mid March 2011, the New York Consulate requested our assistance,” Tishby’s organization wrote in a document revealed in a recent trove of leaked emails.
“Act For Israel quickly arranged seven interviews with the top ranks of U.S. blogs and radio shows,” the document explained, highlighting that their efforts helped promote “Israel’s narrative” in Red State, which it described as the “most read blog by US Senators and Congress representatives.”
The previously unreported campaign appears to have violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act, which mandates that American citizens and organizations publicly disclose any work that seeks to influence American politics on behalf of a foreign power. “That sounds like a slam-dunk case of activities that should have required FARA registration,” said Ben Freeman, a FARA expert at the Quincy Institute, which publishes RS.
The leak provides a rare window into how some pro-Israel activists have skirted rules aimed at providing transparency about foreign influence over American politics — a practice that has helped obscure the scale of Israeli propaganda efforts in the United States. In public, Act For Israel appeared to be no more than a group of pro-Israel Americans advocating for a stronger U.S.-Israel relationship. But the leaked emails and documents show that representatives of the organization sought to shape U.S. public opinion while boasting privately of their intimate collaboration with the Israeli government.
Inside Israel's shadow campaign to win over American media
Leaked emails show how Act for Israel, led by Noa Tishby, worked on behalf of Israel to advance its interests in the United StatesConnor Echols (Responsible Statecraft)
Inside Israel's shadow campaign to win over American media
Back in March 2011, the Israeli consulate in New York City had a problem. A group of soldiers from the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were coming to the U.S. on a PR trip, and Israeli officials needed help persuading influential media outlets to interview the delegation.
Luckily for the consulate, a new organization called Act For Israel, led by Israeli-American actor Noa Tishby, was prepared to swing into action. “[I]n mid March 2011, the New York Consulate requested our assistance,” Tishby’s organization wrote in a document revealed in a recent trove of leaked emails.
“Act For Israel quickly arranged seven interviews with the top ranks of U.S. blogs and radio shows,” the document explained, highlighting that their efforts helped promote “Israel’s narrative” in Red State, which it described as the “most read blog by US Senators and Congress representatives.”
The previously unreported campaign appears to have violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act, which mandates that American citizens and organizations publicly disclose any work that seeks to influence American politics on behalf of a foreign power. “That sounds like a slam-dunk case of activities that should have required FARA registration,” said Ben Freeman, a FARA expert at the Quincy Institute, which publishes RS.
The leak provides a rare window into how some pro-Israel activists have skirted rules aimed at providing transparency about foreign influence over American politics — a practice that has helped obscure the scale of Israeli propaganda efforts in the United States. In public, Act For Israel appeared to be no more than a group of pro-Israel Americans advocating for a stronger U.S.-Israel relationship. But the leaked emails and documents show that representatives of the organization sought to shape U.S. public opinion while boasting privately of their intimate collaboration with the Israeli government.
Inside Israel's shadow campaign to win over American media
Leaked emails show how Act for Israel, led by Noa Tishby, worked on behalf of Israel to advance its interests in the United StatesConnor Echols (Responsible Statecraft)
Trump Frees Ex-President of Honduras, Right-Wing "Narco-Dictator" Convicted of Drug Trafficking
In a 26th floor courtroom overlooking Manhattan’s frigid winter skyline, dozens of immigrants sat in on the trial of their former president, the once untouchable symbol of a “narco-dictatorship” that reorganized of the government’s judicial, police, and military leadership to collude with drug traffickers.
It wasn’t Nicolás Maduro — though the Venezuelan president had likewise been indicted in the Southern District of New York. It was Juan Orlando Hernández, the former Honduran president who, as U.S. prosecutors said in their closing arguments in 2024, “paved a cocaine superhighway” to the United States. In a monthlong trial we covered from New York that winter, Hernández was convicted of three counts of drug trafficking and weapons charges, earning him a 45-year prison sentence.
Now, as B-52s plow the skies near Caracas and U.S. President Donald Trump announces the closure of Venezuelan airspace via social media, Hernández is poised to have his conviction erased. A key asset likely working in his favor is something Maduro pointedly lacks: a long-running allyship with the United States. Before his prosecution, Hernández spent years promoting Washington’s goals of militarization and migrant crackdowns as a friend of Barack Obama, Marco Rubio, and Trump.
Trump Frees Ex-President of Honduras, Right-Wing “Narco-Dictator” Convicted of Drug Trafficking
The pardon of Juan Orlando Hernández, who served less than two years of a 45-year sentence for drug trafficking, comes as Trump threatens war on Venezuela over “narcoterrorism.”Jared Olson (The Intercept)
Nas Daily claims biggest threat facing Palestinians is 'fellow countrymen' in bizarre rant on LBC
Vlogger Nuseir Yassin, a Palestinian citizen of Israel commonly known as Nas Daily, has drawn widespread criticism after saying that “the worst thing for a Palestinian is not Israel, it is our fellow countrymen”, and describing the term genocide as “a very emotional, non-scientific word”.
When asked by Swarbrick whether he had experienced apartheid growing up in Israel, Yassin similarly dismissed the term as "bullshit", saying it "is not like South Africa".
He went on to claim that the UK is receiving "some of the most dangerous immigrants in the world". "They’re coming in the UK, setting up as a base to create essentially media to destabilise the Middle East," he continued.
Nas Daily claims biggest threat facing Palestinians is 'fellow countrymen' in bizarre rant on LBC
Vlogger Nuseir Yassin, a Palestinian citizen of Israel commonly known as Nas Daily, has drawn widespread criticism after saying that “the worst thing for a Palestinian is not Israel, it is our fellow countrymen”, and describing the term genocide as “…Ayah El-Khaldi (Middle East Eye)
My cat won't talk to the police.
My dog won't shut up about how he's a free canine on the land and the postman refused to make joinder.
If Cats Could Talk to Cops Sticker
These "If Cats Could Talk to Cops They Wouldn't" stickers, featuring original artwork by Teev, are so popular we just keep reprinting them. They measure 4.25" wide by 2.75" tall and are available in different color options.Burning Books
Karkitoo
in reply to illusionist • • •I like Organic Maps. UI is clear and simple-ish to use.
However, it lacks quite a lot compared to the (cluttered UI of) OSMand.
Edit: great mentality there. You could at least tell me the pros of your favorite solution and the cons of organic map before Downvoting me.
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Kami
in reply to Karkitoo • • •Organic maps is shit.
Use CoMaps instead.
theorangeninja
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in reply to Kami • • •esaru
in reply to DSN9 • • •OrganicMaps refused to rule out selling to venture capitalists in the future. They expect volunteers to contribute while keeping the option of capitalizing on free work later.
That's why it has been forked to what is called CoMaps. So CoMaps is the true, reliable FOSS project now.
DSN9
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in reply to DSN9 • • •Sure, here are a number of sources that explain what happened and why:
Organic Maps Forked Over Governance Concerns: CoMaps is Born
Sourav Rudra (It's FOSS)barcaxavi
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Organic Maps Fork Spurs Governance Debate
Middle East North Africa Financial NetworkKarkitoo
in reply to barcaxavi • • •Ah, thank you for this article !
Indeed, not a good project governance and not an project I should recommend.
Uninstalled Organic Maps, and I will try CoMaps (or default back to OSMand)
stupid_asshole69 [none/use name]
in reply to Karkitoo • • •Everyone, make sure to reply to this person instead of just downvoting their comments.
It’s your responsibility to manage their feelings, not their responsibility to use an instance without downvotes, or even turn off downvotes in their own control panel.
checkfit
in reply to Karkitoo • • •I switched to organic maps too.
Also, until comaps have bike layer I am not switching
monovergent
in reply to Karkitoo • • •esaru
in reply to monovergent • • •I did move last week and it's such a difference. A clean refreshing interface without all the clutter,
also much snappier, maps don't take time to refresh.
You can download maps while having WiFi connection and, for a start, focus on the maps of the country you are staying in at the moment.
CoMaps has optional 3D view of buildings and surprised me with how few features it has, yet exactly the features one needs. That way the interface is clean while I'm not missing anything.
It even has quick access to Wikipedia articles built in so you get directly information of points you click on.
Object information is down to what you need, like floor level, pbone number, opening times.
Import/Export for all location data.
illusionist
in reply to Karkitoo • • •Hubi
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in reply to illusionist • • •Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I think I used an apk from way before and now after updating it I see their new beautiful UI. Pretty nice.
I'm also all for OSS, but in this case, for me, there's no OSS alternative for navigation. Both CoMaps and OsmAnd can be used for it, but not tailored to do it.
As a frequent and satisfied user, I'm happy to contribute to their development. 15 EUR annually doesn't seem far fetched, but you can actually get the Premium package on their site for 6 EUR (link to the pricing page). That's like 3-4 can of beers kind of money.
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in reply to barcaxavi • • •Thanks!
6€ per year would be reasonable for me. I'm just a casual user. I may need it only once every other month.
barcaxavi
in reply to illusionist • • •Also happy to read you'd like to contribute, sometimes I get mixed feedback when it's about giving back somehow to these devs.
illusionist
in reply to barcaxavi • • •Danitos
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in reply to Danitos • • •So is €3.5 around 3-4 cans of beer in Colombia?
Danitos
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in reply to illusionist • • •In case anyone else out there is unaware, the "paid" tier for Osmand is unlockable for free to OSM contributors, meaning if you make a habit of contributing edits to OSM, then all you'd have to do is link to your OSM account within Osmand settings. Not to dissuade anyone from contributing financially, just sayin' b/c I think that is a nice little perk for editors from the Osmand team.
I personally prefer CoMaps (forked from Organic Maps), the UI is a little more intuitive to me than Osmand.
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in reply to HereIAm • • •HereIAm
in reply to Basilisa • • •Pretty much the entire OSM sphere is developed and populated by volunteers. And they you come along and say they should take their heads out of their ass. Yes, the burden is on the users, because the developers are users themselves. No, not everyone has programming skills, but even nontechnical people can still contribute to the dataset with bus station locations and bus routes.
It's completely okay to not use a piece of software, and if you have some feedback to give that might sway you, great! But don't insult the developers because they have limited time and resources.
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