This is a general complaint about vehicles, not necessarily EVs

Yes, that's like the whole point of my post, being E doesn't fix 90% of the issues caused by individual motorised transport vehicles. And city planning can't do anything about these inherent issues either, they can merely decide to make good, sustainable cities or car friendly cities. Good city planning policies stand in direct contrast to the amount of cars expected to be driven.

And I'm saying this not to shit on EVs, they must clearly replace ICE vehicles as soon as possible, but to warn that they will not fix the unsustainable state of affairs in transportation. Loads of people appear to actually believe they do and that's sort of dangerous. We're not gonna fix jack shit if we just transition these vehicles to being electric while further increasing car dependency and sprawl. We're gonna make it even worse.

My comment is not about what people claim about EVs but how they actually are.

youtu.be/CTV-wwszGw8?t=797

I'm not going to claim that EVs are loud.

I'm going to state it as a fact: EVs are loud. About as loud as ICE cars. I live on a busy street, so I know that this is beyond dispute. The tire noise and wind resistance dominate the noise produced above about 30 kph. ICE vehicles these days have efficient engines and good soundproofing. Many are virtually silent if they go past my house slowly.

Unexpectedly, the hybrid-electric city buses that go past are among the quietest vehicles. They must use tires designed for a quiet, comfortable ride, because all I hear is a slight whoosh, even when they pass by in the quiet, wee hours of the morning.

(To be fair, EVs with quiet tires and moving <30kph are virtually silent, too.)

source is polestar and rivian, as noted in the graphic.

solid-state batteries are not yet viable at vehicle scale.

lightyear went bankrupt in 2023.

Oh, nice....

That's what I get for forgetting we live in Warhammer 2k

I wanted to double-check my numbers so i found a reddit thread asking people how often they charge their cars, and tried to extract info from it using mistral (so take it with a grain of salt. it gave sources but i managed to close the page after screenshotting).
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User: how many times a week do people in this reddit thread charge their cars on average? old.reddit.com/r/electriccars/…

Mistral: In the Reddit thread you linked, most EV owners report charging their cars about 2–3 times per week on average. Many users mentioned plugging in their EVs at home whenever convenient, often overnight, rather than waiting for the battery to run low. Some charge daily out of habit, while others charge every few days depending on their driving needs and battery range. The majority have access to home charging, which makes frequent top-ups easy and convenient.

Charging Frequency (from user comments):

• About 30–40% of users charge daily, often overnight at home, regardless of battery level.
• Another 30–40% charge 2–3 times per week, usually when their battery drops below a certain range (e.g., 100 miles or 50%).
• The remaining 20–30% charge less frequently, such as once a week or only when needed for longer trips.

Typical Charging Behavior:

• Many users set their charge limit to 60–80% for daily use to preserve battery health.
• Some Tesla owners (especially with LFP batteries) keep their cars plugged in most of the time, charging to 100% without issue.
• Users with shorter commutes (e.g., <50 miles/day) often charge every 2–3 days, while those with longer commutes or less efficient EVs charge daily.

Range Added per Charge:

• Short Commutes (<50 miles/day): Many users add 50–100 miles per charge, often charging every 2–3 days.
• Moderate Use (50–150 miles/day): Users in this group typically add 100–200 miles per session, charging daily or every other day.
• Longer Trips or Less Frequent Charging: Some users add 150–300 miles, charging once a week or as needed.

Summary Table (Based on Thread Comments)

Inference: Most home chargers add enough range to cover their daily driving, rarely letting the battery drop below 20–30%. The data is sufficient to infer that 50–150 miles per charge is the norm for regular use.

User: how about car models? are there enough mentions of which model people drive that we can figure out the average number of kWhs used per capita from the added range and the size of the battery of the mentioned models?

Mistral: The Reddit thread does mention several specific EV models, and we can use their battery sizes and the reported range added per charge to estimate average kWh used per person. Here’s what we know:

Commonly Mentioned Models & Battery Sizes

From the thread, the most frequently mentioned models include:

• Tesla Model 3 (Standard/Long Range): ~50–82 kWh
• Tesla Model Y (Standard/Long Range): ~60–81 kWh
• Hyundai Kona Electric: ~39–64 kWh
• Chevy Bolt: ~65 kWh
• Ford Mustang Mach-E: ~68–98 kWh
• Nissan Leaf: ~40–62 kWh