@cstross @qlaras This variation on solarpunk, under the solarpunk name, has been pretty prominent for a decade or so (though it’s being brilliantly summed up and illustrated here in my absolute favorite iteration of itself.) Most the major citations date to the early twenty-teens.
Hey @cstross - first, let me thank you for your books, Accelerando inspired me to be who I am today!
I'm one of the writers of the @SolarpunkPrompts podcast @the_lemonaut mentions and wrote quite a few essays on the movement.
Solarpunk doesn't claim to be anything new, it's just a label people are rallying around to imagine how a future could look like if we are to become a sustainable civilization.
@alxd @cwicseolfor @qlaras @cstross @SolarpunkPrompts I would propose: (and this may be controversial, I’m open to being told I’m wrong) that if solarpunk is to be worth an ounce it cannot be only an artistic movement. It must be something that is, as @the_lemonaut proposes, a behavior or a design that materially impacts the world. Otherwise it’s just another demonstration of what Vonnegut said about Vietnam.
@Jetengineweasel @cwicseolfor @qlaras @cstross @SolarpunkPrompts Or maybe it already is a movement, one which couldn't find a name before, all these technologies from the Global South, open source and open culture values from Wikipedia to Appropedia, Safecasts and more? ;)
Round Mirror by Ethan Sees Last year I published a lengthy videoessay on Solarpunk as a part of collaboration with a philosophical YouTube channel "Myśleć Głębiej" (Think That Through in English).
My exposure to solarpunk has been a) a yogurt commercial, b) thanks to super-technology, cats are enthusiastic partcipants in the weekly commune meetings*
In theory I liked the genre but I didn't see anything I really identified with. Subbing to the pod for more.
Hard-solarpunk? Though "hard" has the wrong connotations
* Extremely unrealistic, obviously the cats would skip them
@neilk I'm one of the proponents of such hard solarpunk - and while I don't know if we have a label, together with @the_lemonaut and a dozen other artists we created storyseedlibrary.org/ to promote more grounded climate future art! 😀
@alxd I tried listening to this but I realized it’s intended for writers
I’m not sure I approve of this tbh. There are two independent premises that are assumed true: that there is an optimistic future, and that it has the solarpunk aesthetic. Then we’re supposed to construct rationalizations for it
I could understand the prompt to be optimistic xor to write about future communitarianism but both simultaneously? idk. Le Guin would never.
@neilk, not sure what the problem is in this situation, or whether you're being serious at all (apologies if you are). Why is a suggestion to write speculative fiction that combines multiple premises bad? Is giving a prompt "write a story set in a world where robots have gained sentience AND where humanity has colonized Mars" automatically unviable? Why? 🤔 These premises don't exist to divine the future. Also...the podcast is called Solarpunk Prompts. What else could the premises be?
Perhaps I should not have said anything. You have a project and it gives you hope. There is lots of undiscovered country even within the parameters you have set
In my defense. I’m very suspicious of anything that constrains the artist to affirm a vision of the future. Been there done that. My reference to Le Guin was that she could only offer “ambiguous” utopias because she understood people all too well
@neilk, it's is A version of A future, and also nobody is forcing anyone to fit the stated parameters. If they feel like it too limiting they can just...not follow them 🤷 And they don't have to follow them forever in every piece they make
Creative prompts specifically suggest frames within which people can create, if they find the idea interesting or compelling. There is also the concept of creative limitation.
I am very curious to know what you had expected to see from this podcast instead
@neilk Out of curiosity - if I told you about a (possibly utopian) country, would you believe that it's achievable within the next few decades?
It's powered by 80-90% renewable energy. 65+% of people work in co-ops, which generate at least 33% of the GDP. The transport is not even public, it's communal - local co-ops own it. Public healthcare. Every child speaks 2-4 languages from the very beginning. Three major religions exist there without big tensions.
You’re pushing on an open door. I am not the person you need to convince that ways of living, other than what white suburbanites in the US know about, are possible and even exist today
I just don’t believe that writing narratives with the overarching purpose of prefiguring some desired political or economic end state makes for good art. That’s just reverse Ayn Rand.
@neilk and I'm trying to show you something else here. Because I am not trying to write art.
I am trying to write reporting.
What I described in the message above is just modern day Kenya. With its own share of problems, but a lot of _good_ things we don't notice.
I started looking into Solarpunk because I needed to have a new language for describing the reality around me that people wouldn't notice, wouldn't listen to normally!
Round Mirror by Ethan Sees Last year I published a lengthy videoessay on Solarpunk as a part of collaboration with a philosophical YouTube channel "Myśleć Głębiej" (Think That Through in English).
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Hey @cstross - first, let me thank you for your books, Accelerando inspired me to be who I am today!
I'm one of the writers of the @SolarpunkPrompts podcast @the_lemonaut mentions and wrote quite a few essays on the movement.
Solarpunk doesn't claim to be anything new, it's just a label people are rallying around to imagine how a future could look like if we are to become a sustainable civilization.
Something which is still way too hard to imagine.
Leather Daddy but Straight 🏴
in reply to alxd of the Story Seed Library • • •@alxd @cwicseolfor @qlaras @cstross @SolarpunkPrompts I would propose: (and this may be controversial, I’m open to being told I’m wrong) that if solarpunk is to be worth an ounce it cannot be only an artistic movement. It must be something that is, as @the_lemonaut proposes, a behavior or a design that materially impacts the world. Otherwise it’s just another demonstration of what Vonnegut said about Vietnam.
Maybe I’m full of shit
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Or maybe it already is a movement, one which couldn't find a name before, all these technologies from the Global South, open source and open culture values from Wikipedia to Appropedia, Safecasts and more? ;)
I wrote about it extensively at lenses.alxd.org/ !
I came to Solarpunk because I had no other language to tell the real stories I saw.
Solarpunk: lenses and foundations
alxd - solarpunk hackerNeil Kandalgaonkar
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My exposure to solarpunk has been a) a yogurt commercial, b) thanks to super-technology, cats are enthusiastic partcipants in the weekly commune meetings*
In theory I liked the genre but I didn't see anything I really identified with. Subbing to the pod for more.
Hard-solarpunk? Though "hard" has the wrong connotations
* Extremely unrealistic, obviously the cats would skip them
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in reply to alxd of the Story Seed Library • • •@alxd I tried listening to this but I realized it’s intended for writers
I’m not sure I approve of this tbh. There are two independent premises that are assumed true: that there is an optimistic future, and that it has the solarpunk aesthetic. Then we’re supposed to construct rationalizations for it
I could understand the prompt to be optimistic xor to write about future communitarianism but both simultaneously? idk. Le Guin would never.
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in reply to Lemon • • •Perhaps I should not have said anything. You have a project and it gives you hope. There is lots of undiscovered country even within the parameters you have set
In my defense. I’m very suspicious of anything that constrains the artist to affirm a vision of the future. Been there done that. My reference to Le Guin was that she could only offer “ambiguous” utopias because she understood people all too well
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in reply to Neil Kandalgaonkar • • •@neilk, it's is A version of A future, and also nobody is forcing anyone to fit the stated parameters. If they feel like it too limiting they can just...not follow them 🤷 And they don't have to follow them forever in every piece they make
Creative prompts specifically suggest frames within which people can create, if they find the idea interesting or compelling. There is also the concept of creative limitation.
I am very curious to know what you had expected to see from this podcast instead
Neil Kandalgaonkar
in reply to Lemon • • •It’s what I expected but it raised some other things in me
I think it’s just not for me. I should have let it alone
alxd of the Story Seed Library
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Out of curiosity - if I told you about a (possibly utopian) country, would you believe that it's achievable within the next few decades?
It's powered by 80-90% renewable energy. 65+% of people work in co-ops, which generate at least 33% of the GDP. The transport is not even public, it's communal - local co-ops own it. Public healthcare. Every child speaks 2-4 languages from the very beginning. Three major religions exist there without big tensions.
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*sigh*
You’re pushing on an open door. I am not the person you need to convince that ways of living, other than what white suburbanites in the US know about, are possible and even exist today
I just don’t believe that writing narratives with the overarching purpose of prefiguring some desired political or economic end state makes for good art. That’s just reverse Ayn Rand.
alxd of the Story Seed Library
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and I'm trying to show you something else here. Because I am not trying to write art.
I am trying to write reporting.
What I described in the message above is just modern day Kenya. With its own share of problems, but a lot of _good_ things we don't notice.
I started looking into Solarpunk because I needed to have a new language for describing the reality around me that people wouldn't notice, wouldn't listen to normally!
lenses.alxd.org/
Solarpunk: lenses and foundations
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