yeah it is not solely about decentralization but being able to have your own server to be independent is one of the "things" you need nonetheless,

same as not eating meat is just "one of the things" of veganism, and you can NOT skip that one and just say "it doesn't drink milk or honey, good enough" ;)

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@adbenitez I find that thinking about independence as a binary (as a lot of people seem to be doing) is flawed. Nothing is ever truely independent, we all rely on things built and controlled by others and this will always be the case, so this is why I think it's misplaced. You don't need your own servers to be independent because true independence is not achievable.

Words like need imply that there is a recipe to follow to achieve "independence" (boolean). I don't think this is a fair way to frame it. Using Signal means that your chat platform is more independent than if you were using facebook Messenger. In the same way, using Matrix or some other decentralized protocol makes it more independant than using Signal

@res260 buddy, if you (and by you I mean goverment/countries) don't have control over the server there is zero independence, yes it is an expectrum but you are in the near zero zone, that it could be even worse by using Facebook messenger and you feel content by that is sad and just hints at how bad is your "independence" at this point

@collectifission

@adbenitez This is getting a bit silly. You too draw a line somewhere on this spectrum. After all, you are relying on existing infrastructure. At least, I haven't seen you arguing yet for moving completely off the internet and on to MeshCore (although MeshCore is a really great project).

We should be encouraging people that want to take more power in their digital lives, not scold them for not achieving a line you decided to draw somewhere.

@res260

I think you (or perhaps me?) are misunderstanding, when I was talking about "digital independence" I was not talking on an individual level but on a national level, as I understood from your post the day was a German gov iniciative, as such if a gov is relaying on a central service of other country that is the exact opposite of digital independence

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