Wikipedia loses UK Safety Act challenge, worries it will have to verify user IDs
Wikipedia loses UK Safety Act challenge, worries it will have to verify user IDs
Judge tossed claim but said UK must not “significantly impede” Wikipedia operations.Jon Brodkin (Ars Technica)
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shortwavesurfer
in reply to schizoidman • • •Here's one way to fix this that might even overturn the law. Turn off Wikipedia in the UK. Put a big banner up on the homepage that says, we have turned off Wikipedia in your country because of your government. Here's how to use a VPN to access our content.
Edit: Make it apologetic and conciliatory. Like, we're sorry, we've had to disable Wikipedia in your region because of your government's draconian policies. If you would like to visit our content, please use a VPN. If you need help learning to use a VPN and then link to a here's how page
MrSoup
in reply to shortwavesurfer • • •Tenderizer78
in reply to shortwavesurfer • • •Morganica
in reply to Tenderizer78 • • •halcyoncmdr
in reply to Tenderizer78 • • •then_three_more
in reply to Tenderizer78 • • •brrt
in reply to Tenderizer78 • • •TheChargedCreeper864
in reply to Tenderizer78 • • •Cethin
in reply to shortwavesurfer • • •ddh
in reply to Cethin • • •Cethin
in reply to ddh • • •shortwavesurfer
in reply to Cethin • • •I read from another comment somewhere that the law or whatever said that they should not promote a VPN, not that they could not promote a VPN. Those are two totally different words.
However, your way is probably safer and not reliant on language.
als
in reply to schizoidman • • •lIlIlIlIlIlIl
in reply to als • • •TheTechnician27
in reply to als • • •Wikipedia:IP block exemption - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.orgerrer
in reply to TheTechnician27 • • •TheTechnician27
in reply to errer • • •enbipanic
in reply to TheTechnician27 • • •TheTechnician27
in reply to enbipanic • • •Correct, as it has to. In addition to behavior, CheckUsers use IP addresses to help identify sockpuppets. If you could bypass the exemption by just saying "here's a new account; pls exempt", it would quickly become common knowledge among sockmasters that all they need is to quickly ask and be accepted days later.
At that point, the block on proxy editing near-completely fails at one of its main functions.
enbipanic
in reply to TheTechnician27 • • •lunatic_lobster
in reply to TheTechnician27 • • •I'd disagree with the notion "it has to". The chilling effect on a large number of new wiki contributors could be considered more detrimental than weakening sock puppet protection. (IE if a huge country suddenly started jailing people who make edits not considered state-approved)
I suspect there are plenty of ways to allow new accounts to make edits on a smaller subset of articles until they have passed some threshold of trust which could minimize the sock puppet abuse.
Point is everything is a give and take.
Bobby Turkalino
in reply to schizoidman • • •estutweh
in reply to schizoidman • • •Zexks
in reply to estutweh • • •iglou
in reply to Zexks • • •I don't know where you live, but I have never seen a library having age verification for consulting anything.
Only age verification was for a membership card, which is rarely mandatory to consult.
Zexks
in reply to iglou • • •I live in reality and actually pay attention to the shit around me. I also look shit up when people are talking out thwir ass and it obvious they never set foot in a library.
brent.gov.uk/libraries-arts-an…
library.ed.ac.uk/using-library…
bristol.gov.uk/files/documents…
libraries.merton.gov.uk/digita…
hillingdon.gov.uk/article/4100…
surreycc.gov.uk/libraries/your…
milton-keynes.gov.uk/libraries…
walthamforest.gov.uk/libraries…
Policy for child access to the University Library | Library | Library
LibraryTheCoralReefsAreDying69
in reply to Zexks • • •Did you even read the conversation you're replying to???
Only the Surrey County Council indicates anything about restricting access to the library on the basis of age, and that is on the basis of not allowing unaccompanied children under 11 into the library
No other link mentions anything about restricting access to nonfiction materials because of age...
iglou
in reply to TheCoralReefsAreDying69 • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to iglou • • •Zexks
in reply to TheCoralReefsAreDying69 • • •So this is the level of edication and reading comprehension in here. Pathetic
brent.gov.uk/libraries-arts-an…
If you are under 16, you will need your parent or guardian to sign a membership form for you.
Books and other materials may be borrowed by:
anyone aged 16 and over.
children and young people under the age of 16 on the recommendation of a parent or guardian.
parents or carers of children aged 12 – 15 will need to sign a consent form before they can borrow
DVDs.
library.ed.ac.uk/using-library…
• Risk assessments have been carried for children under 16. For the safety of children, the University Regulations do not permit a child to use any library equipment, including computing equipment, nor to use any device on the University wireless network.
• School pupils aged 14 to 16 may, under special circumstances and by arrangement with the library, obtain a Library Reference Card allowing independent access. Young persons aged 16 over are entitled to obtain a Library Reference Card by meeting the registration requirements.
bristol.gov.uk/files/documents…
Subject to the General Provisions of these Regulations books may be borrowed by any person of the
age of 14 years or over who completes and signs the appropriate form of application provided by the
Library Authority and who furnishes such proof of identity as the Librarian may require. Books may be
borrowed by children aged 13 years and below on completion of the appropriate form of application
signed by the parent or guardian.
Library or Reading Room and when so required shall sign the book provided for the purpose.
libraries.merton.gov.uk/digita…
A parent or guardian must counter-sign the membership card for new members that are under the age of 16.
All children under the age of 15 must be accompanied by an adult.Please note children aged 11-15 may enter Libraries Plus unaccompanied but with parental consent.
A parent or guardian must supervise any child under the age of 11. Parents and/or guardians are required to take responsibility for the materials used and borrowed by members under the age of 16.
(straight up call the law on your ass)
Library staff will not take responsibility for children of any age left unattended in the library. Staff may contact Children’s Social Care if a child under eleven is left alone or if there are concerns over a child’s wellbeing.
Adult restrictions:
Adults are not permitted to work or be situated in the children’s library if they are not utilising the children’s services or looking after a child/young person. Lone adults will be directed by staff to alternative seating and facilities in the main library.
hillingdon.gov.uk/article/4100…
Under-16s must bring a valid membership card each time they visit a library if they want to use a computer.
Children's computers are available at all libraries and can be used by children aged 11 and under with a valid membership library card.
Under-11s cannot use our express PC express service.
Under-11s may only use the internet under the adult supervision of a parent or guardian.
Our library service offers free wifi to anyone aged 11 and over.
Under-11s attending an event in the library will need to be accompanied by a parent/carer (unless otherwise stated).
Under-5s must never be left unsupervised at any time.
Children need to be at least 14-years-old in order to look after children ages 8 and over.
Children under 8 must be with a parent or responsible adult (aged 18 or over).
We try our best to make our libraries safe and welcoming. However, as a public service, we can never fully guarantee child safety. Therefore, no child under the age of 11 can visit without parent/carer supervision.
If a child under the age of 11 visits the library unsupervised, staff will follow the relevant safeguarding procedures, which include contacting the parent/carer, and alerting the police, social services or their school.
(the only one you were able to comprehend and it's the LEAST restrictive, misdirection much)
surreycc.gov.uk/libraries/your…
If you are under 16 years of age you will need the written permission of your parent or guardian to use library computers.
milton-keynes.gov.uk/libraries…
In order to access the IT facilities, children and young people under the age of 16 must be registered library members.
A parent or legal guardian must be present for children under 16 to join the library and by joining a child to the library they agree to the child having access to IT facilities including the Internet.
Children and young people under the age of 16 will have access to the computers in our libraries with their library card.
walthamforest.gov.uk/libraries…
A parent or guardian must counter-sign the membership card for new members that are under the age of 16.
Children under the age of 8 must be supervised at all times by their parent or guardian who must also monitor any use by children of public access computers.
Parents and/or guardians are required to be responsible for the materials used and borrowed by members under the age of 16.
Deleting the truth wont make it go away.
Policy for child access to the University Library | Library | Library
Library9bananas
in reply to Zexks • • •are you dumb?
none of the links you posted talk about restrictions on certain materials within libraries, e.g. all of them allow you access any information at any time.
ALL of the links you posted talk about restrictions on the membership registration process, not what you can and can't borrow from the library.
this isn't about censorship, it's just about establishing who you call when a kid misbehaves on library grounds or damages something the library owns.
that's why a guardian is required to co-sign memberships: kids break shit. like, all the time!
Zexks
in reply to 9bananas • • •Yes every single one of them does. do you not know how access fucking works. You cant even be in there until certain ages. Youre not allowed to access material until a registered known adult approves. Theyre not allowed on computers without approval or oversight. Tjeyre not allowed into certain areas of the libraries without approval and access.
If this is the reading comorehension level over there they really need to reconsider some these.
swelter_spark
in reply to iglou • • •NauticalNoodle
in reply to schizoidman • • •CrowyTech
in reply to NauticalNoodle • • •bl4kers
in reply to CrowyTech • • •The EU approach to age verification
Shaping Europe’s digital futureayyy
in reply to NauticalNoodle • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to ayyy • • •I'm generally more annoyed at how the early enthusiasm of participation on the site has died out in the face of paranoia and moderator mania. There are so many gaps in both the modern and historical backlog of citations and categorizations. But do I want to invest dozens of hours contributing to a site where a few admins are just going to tear all my work back out again on a bureaucratic technicality?
It is a site that's alternatively being strangled to death by admins fearful of malicious actors and tore apart by wave after wave of sinister propagandists and hostile agents.
ayyy
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •And yet I’m sure you read it pretty regularly, and it’s a net good in your life. It’s easy to focus on the negatives and miss what an absolute treasure it still is.
Edit: and it seems it’s been a while since you were a young student and have forgotten what that experience is like. You know many things now, but you didn’t start that way.
UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to ayyy • • •I've found it less and less capable of keeping up with current events. Enshittification truly comes for us all.
As a historical artifact and a demonstration of the potential for open-sourced editing, it's a milestone. But we're clearly in the twilight of the Wikipedia era.
ayyy
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to ayyy • • •Broadly speaking, everything was a current event at some point. As Wikipedia calcifies, it loses the ability to capture and collate new information as it is produced.
In the same way as any dated encyclopedia, sure. I've got a copy of my dad's childhood encyclopedia, dated to 1954. Lots of interesting factoids in there, assuming your interest in the world is satisfied by an English speaking editor's ability to consolidate the information available to his firm at their publishing deadline.
Mulligrubs
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to NauticalNoodle • • •On its face... maybe? Until the Foundation falls into the hands of malicious management, anyway.
But do I trust that a public website can't have their security breached by malicious actors? Of course not.
Zerush
in reply to schizoidman • • •surph_ninja
in reply to Zerush • • •Zerush
in reply to surph_ninja • • •But with the need of an ID to access the fucking Wikipedia, UK is on the best way to emulate NC in the near future.
KOREA CENTRAL TV (LIVESTREAM) | KCNA Watch
KCNA Watchsurph_ninja
in reply to Zerush • • •The west is literally helping identify and kill journalists who are reporting on their genocide.
And it’s not even a new thing. Julian Assange was targeted by the US for exposing their assassination of journalists. No consequences for the assassins. And the UK & EU enthusiastically participated in helping the US in this.
freebee
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in reply to freebee • • •curious_dolphin
in reply to monovergent 🛠️ • • •ulterno
in reply to curious_dolphin • • •Usually worth around a few million characters.
katy ✨
in reply to schizoidman • • •kingthrillgore
in reply to schizoidman • • •like this
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UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to kingthrillgore • • •Anas
in reply to kingthrillgore • • •curious_dolphin
in reply to Anas • • •TemplaerDude
in reply to Anas • • •Anas
in reply to TemplaerDude • • •YiddishMcSquidish
in reply to Anas • • •drspawndisaster
in reply to Anas • • •madcaesar
in reply to Anas • • •Wtf are you being downvoted, you're absolutely right.
The fact that people are so powerless that only corps can fight this shit is maddening.
I've said it before, the UK populace has lost all privileges to make fun of Americans, they are as batshit as the trumpets here.
Paddy66
in reply to kingthrillgore • • •WorldsDumbestMan
in reply to schizoidman • • •That Weird Vegan
in reply to WorldsDumbestMan • • •Matt
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in reply to schizoidman • • •InFerNo
in reply to schizoidman • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to InFerNo • • •You mean Wikipedia will bow down to a Western government and obey their every command?
Do you think Wikipedia would make special exceptions for China or Russia?
InFerNo
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience doesn't like this.
geneva_convenience
in reply to InFerNo • • •JaggedRobotPubes
in reply to schizoidman • • •Wikipedia doesn't have to do shit.
Let them break their internet until they fix it.
Meatwagon
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