He was not allowed to enter switzerland because Fedpol feared that he calls for violence and actively promotes Hamas (which Switzerland considers a terror organisation). As he crossed the border anyway, he got arrested and deported.
You can’t enter a country without a visa and wonder why you get arrested…
Ali Abunimah hatte unter anderem Raketenangriffe Irans gegen Israel als «humanitären Akt» bezeichnet. Gegen den Amerikaner war eine Einreisesperre verhängt worden.
I have not enough knowledge about him to say if it was reasonable to not let him in, but his post on X seemed to celebrate destruction and murder.
I think it is in the manner of “better safe than sorry” it is reasonable to not give this man a visa. And I very much hope that a person celebrating Israel’s attacks would neither.
Then why does you answer to my comment have nothing to do with the point of my comment.
Maybe it have to spell it out: My point was that western media use the word "islamist" utterly arbitrary to attack brown people of any ideology, thus rendering the term useless. And that is discustingly racist. This is especially true for far right media like the NZZ that you cited.
Your point was that you apparently presume that I defend him, which I didn't. He blocked me ten years ago in Twitter after a heated discussion. I don't like him.
I now presume that your are discussing with bad intentions.
You ask me how it makes him an islamist after I commented regional context, i answer that I and the article never stated that he is a “islamist” (what that even mean, isn’t that just the same as saying someone is Jude/Christian??), and then you said I missed the point
But isn’t it understandable that Switzerland does not want foreign political organisations to interfere with the political landscape in Switzerland?
As told above already, I just hope (and fear that is not) that similar extremists supporting attacks from Isreal, are banned from entering our country as well.
But isn’t it understandable that Switzerland does not want foreign political organisations to interfere with the political landscape in Switzerland?
Is Switzerland banning everyone who's expressed support for a foreign political organization? No? Ok then, guess that's not what this is about.
As told above already, I just hope (and fear that is not) that similar extremists supporting attacks from Isreal, are banned from entering our country as well.
They aren't and won't be though. You know that, and you know why. They also won't be banning people supporting attacks by the USA, or Ukraine, or any NATO power. Because that's not what it's about.
Yea, Supporting Hamas does, if you actually try convincing other people to do the same, since Switzerland officially sees Hamas as Terror organisation. Fedpol has only acted based on that, but not decided it.
Just supporting Palestine does not make you extremist
Yea, anyone who supports military to invade other countries is in my eyes an extremist. But I have to investigate how the definition of extremist is officially in swiss government.
Yea, Supporting Hamas does, if you actually try convincing other people to do the same, since Switzerland officially sees Hamas as Terror organisation. Fedpol has only acted based on that, but not decided it.
The idea that the government can unilaterally and arbitrarily declare that it's illegal to support a resistance group is the most anti-free speech thing I can possibly imagine. This is seriously the most extremist view possible. You would have supported criminalizing support for Nelson Mandela.
Just supporting Palestine does not make you extremist
Apparently it would if the government told you it did.
Yea, anyone who supports military to invade other countries is in my eyes an extremist.
Not in the eyes of Fedpol though, quite the opposite: they claim supporting people opposing invasion is extremism. You also would have supported criminalizing support for the allies invading the Nazis. Again, that's not a question, that's what you believe.
Joining an organisation is not speech, it is more. Talking that you think they have a right to attack Israel, that you think they should kill all xxx, they believe the government is lying to you, etc. that is free speech and is allowed.
Apparently it would if the government told you it did.
Sorry did not get what you trying to say here
Fedpol is not opinionated, they have a list of terror groups that are not written by frdpol and they have the order to not let anyone in trying to find more people joining that terror group
Please finally learn that our government is not homogenous and not a dictatorship. We have many devisions that do different stuff and oh boy they are never in consensus, there are people of any opinion in the swiss government. It is not a single entity like Trump, Putin, Xi, etc. Who have or think they have absolute power.
Right to defend is not equal celebrating death and destruction like it was some sort of a fucking party…
I agree with you, that Israel did not handle the situation like they should have. But I agree with Fedpol as well, to not let any extremist disturb the cultural peace we currently have in Switzerland.
Really? So no popular supporter of Israels genocide has ever been to Switzerland? No supporter of the Iraq War? No popular person who has celebrated murder or destruction by a western power has ever been to Switzerland?
I'm going to let you in on a secret: Switzerland? It's actually in Europe.
And by "doesn't always make the right decision" you mean it makes its decision based on whether or not it agrees with the particular instance of murder and destruction being celebrated.
Yes, I gathered you agree with banning free speech you disagree with.
I need more evidence than a single entity that was bot let in and is in my opinion ok to not let in to conclude that we have a systemic problem in fedPol
I hope there are some good quality investigation reports about that
Supporter and extremist is not the same
My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country
If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.
I support free speech and I am thankful for al the crical thinking in this comment thread. We don’t solve problems by ignoring each other.
With that definition, I would be an extremist as well, lol
Not gonna leave a country where we have a working mechanism to make changes in the constitution based on the will of it’s people
If that is the case, I will donate to organisations who make a proper investigation about it and use its results to issue an initiative changing that. I do that via the party that I am a member of (swiss pirate party)
😆how do you get to that conclusion, I am all in for free speech, as long as it don’t celebrate violence
With that definition, I would be an extremist as well, lol
Yes, correct. Sounds like you're finally starting to understand my point.
Not gonna leave a country where we have a working mechanism to make changes in the constitution based on the will of it’s people
Oh sorry, I thought you said you don't want extremists in your country.
I am all in for free speech, as long as it don’t celebrate violence
So you are, in fact, not for free speech. Given you apparently don't think people should be allowed to openly celebrate things like the defeat of the Nazis
Though I notice you yourself support the violent act of expelling a person from a part of our shared planet.
*extremist because I do support Palestine, and have the opinion that the Israel government has fucked up hard / is to be considered a terror organisation as well.
I do not see myself as extremist
I support celebrating defence but I do not support invasion
And attack a neighbour directly with 1000x power as answer of an event is not only defending
To nuance my sentence above
I am ok with “i think we need violence to achieve this” etc as opinion
But “these dogs need all to be hanged and killed like they were no humans” is not ok.
*extremist because I do support Palestine, and have the opinion that the Israel government has fucked up hard / is to be considered a terror organisation as well.
You're so close.
I do not see myself as extremist
And I don't see Hamas supporters as extremist. I do see you as extremist though.
I support celebrating defence but I do not support invasion
Hamas has never invaded anyone.
And attack a neighbour directly with 1000x power as answer of an event is not only defending
Ok, and you would have also condemned the allies for invading the Nazis. That's not a question by the way, that's just what you believe.
But “these dogs need all to be hanged and killed like they were no humans” is not ok.
Actually it is, and I consider you an extremist to believe you can claim otherwise.
I am an extremist because I am not shouting “kill all Israel people?” Or is because I don’t say “kill all Judes” or what exactly makes me an extremist?!
I never told that Hamas invaded anyone, I just told that I don’t approve the ways they handle stuff. And that swiss government has but Hamas on the list of terrorist groups.
This means that fedPol has no choice but to not let Hamas supporters in, if they get wind of it.
Well, if a country gets invaded and freed after, that is not an invasion. At least if the invasion did happen in the last decade. I don’t support keeping old conflicts alive. Else everybody could invade anybody since any country invaded at least once since the concept of countries.
But yea, in my opinion, the takeover of germany by the end of WW2, where de big border through Berlin was build, was an invasion and I don’t approve that invasion (you still see the scars from that invasion)
And hear you the difference between you and me. I would never wish anyone to have to die if they don’t want to. Not even the worst child raping serial killer. I would prefer to analyse this person’s psychology and find reasons that has led to that outcome and do anything to prevent others people from getting on the same path.
As I heard from the 7. October, where the party was slain by Hamas (I say Hamas not Palestine on purpose here) it hit me hard, as I myself am a Person enjoying exactly this style of music. But never did I wish death to the shooters there. I would prefer to talk and find a way how we can forgive each other.
But if this wish makes me an extremist in your eyes, I really don’t know what is wrong with you..
If that's the conclusion you've arrived at after reading nazi-friendly content, then you're probably a nazi too.
Ali Abunimah was born and raised in the U.S., so we can safely assume he possesses the U.S. citizenship and passport. What does Switzerland's official immigration website have to say about U.S. citizens? Oh yeah, that's right, you get full-on red carpet drawn for you:
And if the state designates an organization as a terrorist group, then that's that right? We can just throw away our critical thinking (assuming we had any in the first place) and let the state known for rubbing elbows with nazis do the thinking for us, right? Piss off with that racist bullshit.
Note that while entering the Schengen area does not require a visa for USA citizens, you do have to get a visa waiver which is subject to limitations. See this document.
That's true, starting from this year. I couldn't find more information about this through primary sources of how tedious it is compared to your average long-and-arduous visa procedures that Global South countries are subjected to, but it appears to be a relatively quick non-process: axa-schengen.com/en/visa/visit…
The reason for his deportation wasn't because "he didn't have a visa" like the original comment purported as one of the points, or a lack of a visa-waiver for that matter. It was clear-cut "he's too brown for our liking" but with glitter all over.
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So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.
A simple guide to help you apply for a Switzerland Schengen Visa. Follow the steps with detailed explanations for each stage to make the Swiss visa application process easy to understand.
So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.
A simple guide to help you apply for a Switzerland Schengen Visa. Follow the steps with detailed explanations for each stage to make the Swiss visa application process easy to understand.
So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.
A simple guide to help you apply for a Switzerland Schengen Visa. Follow the steps with detailed explanations for each stage to make the Swiss visa application process easy to understand.
What is clear however, is that the Swiss authorities look like pants-on-head morons, as well as fascists, for letting him in at the border and then arresting him 1930s-style less than 36 hours later.
And by the way, so do you. You look like a pants-on-head moron and a fascist for defending them.
Hamas is a political organ engaging in fully legal resistance against their occupiers.
Not that I give a single fuck about Western "international law", but even by their standards, they're not doing a single thing wrong, and if anything have shown great restraint.
More than 25000 children in Palestine are now orphans, and that's with the wildly outdated numbers. This campaign of settler genocide has been going on since the Nakba. I'll give you one guess as to what orphaned them and who is left to take them in.
If you're talking about October 7, Hamas was restrained beyond belief, given that they have the right to resist their occupiers and torturers by any means necessary.
Reminder: Palestine was liberated once before from the Crusaders and not by convincing the European invaders of human rights or any other value but through force.
No one should be delusional that a western colonial project backed by western powers will someday recognize the humanity of Palestinians. The only principle that the west understands is might makes right. That is the principle they have applied towards colonized peoples. Everything they say above human rights is a thin veneer over that brutal truth.
100%. They are so delusional that 48,000+ innocent deaths are meaning nothing, but their argument starts from October 7th. When Palestinians have been facing this for 75 years.
I come to your house, steal your stuff, tell you to fuj off. Obviously, you’re gonna fight back. Seems like minds in the West are so full of hatred towards Muslims, Arabs, and brown people that they’ve lost their humanity.
MajorMajormajormajor
in reply to land • • •War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
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sunzu2
in reply to MajorMajormajormajor • • •Evil_Shrubbery
in reply to MajorMajormajormajor • • •War is peas.
Freedom is celery.
Ignorance is spinach.
Steve
in reply to land • • •Here's a followup article with more details.
Switzerland deports EI’s Ali Abunimah
The Electronic IntifadaPetter1
in reply to land • • •Regional context
nzz.ch/zuerich/radikaler-islam…
He was not allowed to enter switzerland because Fedpol feared that he calls for violence and actively promotes Hamas (which Switzerland considers a terror organisation). As he crossed the border anyway, he got arrested and deported.
You can’t enter a country without a visa and wonder why you get arrested…
Islamist sollte in Zürich auftreten - verhaftet
Zeno Geisseler (zge) (Neue Zürcher Zeitung)menemen
in reply to Petter1 • • •The words "islamist" or "islamism" are so utterly meaningless nowadays. Basically means "brown person whose opinion we don't like".
I mean, there are things to critizise about him. But anyone who calls him an islamist juts shows his bigotry or utter stupidity.
(US citizens also don't need a visa to enter Switzerland, but that is a technicality.)
Petter1
in reply to menemen • • •I have not enough knowledge about him to say if it was reasonable to not let him in, but his post on X seemed to celebrate destruction and murder.
I think it is in the manner of “better safe than sorry” it is reasonable to not give this man a visa. And I very much hope that a person celebrating Israel’s attacks would neither.
menemen
in reply to Petter1 • • •And how does this make him an islamist?
You've just involuntarily proven my point that the word "islamist" is just utterly arbitrary and mostly just used to hide racism at this point.
Petter1
in reply to menemen • • •Umm, in the article I posted is nowhere written islamist. Only extremist supporting for palestine (and hamas as it seems).
Fedpol will ban any too popular person it thinks has connections to hamas from entering Switzerland
menemen
in reply to Petter1 • • •Then why does you answer to my comment have nothing to do with the point of my comment.
Maybe it have to spell it out: My point was that western media use the word "islamist" utterly arbitrary to attack brown people of any ideology, thus rendering the term useless. And that is discustingly racist. This is especially true for far right media like the NZZ that you cited.
Your point was that you apparently presume that I defend him, which I didn't. He blocked me ten years ago in Twitter after a heated discussion. I don't like him.
I now presume that your are discussing with bad intentions.
Petter1
in reply to menemen • • •You ask me how it makes him an islamist after I commented regional context, i answer that I and the article never stated that he is a “islamist” (what that even mean, isn’t that just the same as saying someone is Jude/Christian??), and then you said I missed the point
🙉WTF
menemen
in reply to Petter1 • • •Lol, I have to check out if I can block you. I despice right wing trolls. But this is the headline of the article you cited and on which I commented:
Und "Islamist" heißt auf english halt "islamist". Versuch nicht meinen Kommentar zu verdrehen. Unglaublich, AFD-Taktiken...
My whole comment was about the use of the word islamist and you act like I defended him. I call this "ill faith".
Petter1
in reply to menemen • • •Of course you can block me, but what is it worth? It limits you to see other opinions..
😆damn, and yea you are right, i have overseen that.
How to you call people who believe in the islamistic religion, if islamist is wrong?
BrainInABox
in reply to Petter1 • • •Yes, that's the point. That's the thing we're calling out.
Petter1
in reply to BrainInABox • • •But isn’t it understandable that Switzerland does not want foreign political organisations to interfere with the political landscape in Switzerland?
As told above already, I just hope (and fear that is not) that similar extremists supporting attacks from Isreal, are banned from entering our country as well.
BrainInABox
in reply to Petter1 • • •Is Switzerland banning everyone who's expressed support for a foreign political organization? No? Ok then, guess that's not what this is about.
They aren't and won't be though. You know that, and you know why. They also won't be banning people supporting attacks by the USA, or Ukraine, or any NATO power. Because that's not what it's about.
Petter1
in reply to BrainInABox • • •Supporter and Extremist is not the same.
I don’t know this person not well enough to decide where to place him, but seeing his post on X, I strongly assume, that he advocated violence.
BrainInABox
in reply to Petter1 • • •Given that merely supporting Hamas apparently makes you an extremist, they sure seem to be.
So anyone who supports the military is an extremist?
Petter1
in reply to BrainInABox • • •Yea, Supporting Hamas does, if you actually try convincing other people to do the same, since Switzerland officially sees Hamas as Terror organisation. Fedpol has only acted based on that, but not decided it.
Just supporting Palestine does not make you extremist
Yea, anyone who supports military to invade other countries is in my eyes an extremist. But I have to investigate how the definition of extremist is officially in swiss government.
BrainInABox
in reply to Petter1 • • •The idea that the government can unilaterally and arbitrarily declare that it's illegal to support a resistance group is the most anti-free speech thing I can possibly imagine. This is seriously the most extremist view possible. You would have supported criminalizing support for Nelson Mandela.
Apparently it would if the government told you it did.
Not in the eyes of Fedpol though, quite the opposite: they claim supporting people opposing invasion is extremism. You also would have supported criminalizing support for the allies invading the Nazis. Again, that's not a question, that's what you believe.
Petter1
in reply to BrainInABox • • •Joining an organisation is not speech, it is more. Talking that you think they have a right to attack Israel, that you think they should kill all xxx, they believe the government is lying to you, etc. that is free speech and is allowed.
Sorry did not get what you trying to say here
Fedpol is not opinionated, they have a list of terror groups that are not written by frdpol and they have the order to not let anyone in trying to find more people joining that terror group
Please finally learn that our government is not homogenous and not a dictatorship. We have many devisions that do different stuff and oh boy they are never in consensus, there are people of any opinion in the swiss government. It is not a single entity like Trump, Putin, Xi, etc. Who have or think they have absolute power.
تحريرها كلها ممكن
in reply to Petter1 • • •aljazeera.com/opinions/2017/7/…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestin…
concept in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Petter1
in reply to تحريرها كلها ممكن • • •Right to defend is not equal celebrating death and destruction like it was some sort of a fucking party…
I agree with you, that Israel did not handle the situation like they should have. But I agree with Fedpol as well, to not let any extremist disturb the cultural peace we currently have in Switzerland.
BrainInABox
in reply to Petter1 • • •Lol, if Switzerland kicked out every European who generically celebrated destruction or murder, it would be an empty country.
Petter1
in reply to BrainInABox • • •Only popular people get onto the radar of Fedpol.
And Switzerland has swiss citizens, there are not only European people in Switzerland.
And yea, I agree, that Fedpol does not always do the right decision, meaning false positives and false negatives.
But with this guy, I agree with fedpol, at least with that little information I have, hope this X posts are really from him and mot a smear campaign.
BrainInABox
in reply to Petter1 • • •Really? So no popular supporter of Israels genocide has ever been to Switzerland? No supporter of the Iraq War? No popular person who has celebrated murder or destruction by a western power has ever been to Switzerland?
I'm going to let you in on a secret: Switzerland? It's actually in Europe.
And by "doesn't always make the right decision" you mean it makes its decision based on whether or not it agrees with the particular instance of murder and destruction being celebrated.
Yes, I gathered you agree with banning free speech you disagree with.
Petter1
in reply to BrainInABox • • •I need more evidence than a single entity that was bot let in and is in my opinion ok to not let in to conclude that we have a systemic problem in fedPol
I hope there are some good quality investigation reports about that
Supporter and extremist is not the same
My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country
If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.
I support free speech and I am thankful for al the crical thinking in this comment thread. We don’t solve problems by ignoring each other.
BrainInABox
in reply to Petter1 • • •Yes, actually, it is.
Great, when are you going to be leaving?
You're not going to though. You will continue to persecute opposition to it though.
No. You don't. You support speech that is not too far from what you believe, but nothing too different.
Petter1
in reply to BrainInABox • • •With that definition, I would be an extremist as well, lol
Not gonna leave a country where we have a working mechanism to make changes in the constitution based on the will of it’s people
If that is the case, I will donate to organisations who make a proper investigation about it and use its results to issue an initiative changing that. I do that via the party that I am a member of (swiss pirate party)
😆how do you get to that conclusion, I am all in for free speech, as long as it don’t celebrate violence
BrainInABox
in reply to Petter1 • • •Yes, correct. Sounds like you're finally starting to understand my point.
Oh sorry, I thought you said you don't want extremists in your country.
So you are, in fact, not for free speech. Given you apparently don't think people should be allowed to openly celebrate things like the defeat of the Nazis
Though I notice you yourself support the violent act of expelling a person from a part of our shared planet.
Petter1
in reply to BrainInABox • • •*extremist because I do support Palestine, and have the opinion that the Israel government has fucked up hard / is to be considered a terror organisation as well.
I do not see myself as extremist
I support celebrating defence but I do not support invasion
And attack a neighbour directly with 1000x power as answer of an event is not only defending
To nuance my sentence above
I am ok with “i think we need violence to achieve this” etc as opinion
But “these dogs need all to be hanged and killed like they were no humans” is not ok.
BrainInABox
in reply to Petter1 • • •You're so close.
And I don't see Hamas supporters as extremist. I do see you as extremist though.
Hamas has never invaded anyone.
Ok, and you would have also condemned the allies for invading the Nazis. That's not a question by the way, that's just what you believe.
Actually it is, and I consider you an extremist to believe you can claim otherwise.
Petter1
in reply to BrainInABox • • •I am an extremist because I am not shouting “kill all Israel people?” Or is because I don’t say “kill all Judes” or what exactly makes me an extremist?!
I never told that Hamas invaded anyone, I just told that I don’t approve the ways they handle stuff. And that swiss government has but Hamas on the list of terrorist groups.
This means that fedPol has no choice but to not let Hamas supporters in, if they get wind of it.
Well, if a country gets invaded and freed after, that is not an invasion. At least if the invasion did happen in the last decade. I don’t support keeping old conflicts alive. Else everybody could invade anybody since any country invaded at least once since the concept of countries.
But yea, in my opinion, the takeover of germany by the end of WW2, where de big border through Berlin was build, was an invasion and I don’t approve that invasion (you still see the scars from that invasion)
And hear you the difference between you and me. I would never wish anyone to have to die if they don’t want to. Not even the worst child raping serial killer. I would prefer to analyse this person’s psychology and find reasons that has led to that outcome and do anything to prevent others people from getting on the same path.
As I heard from the 7. October, where the party was slain by Hamas (I say Hamas not Palestine on purpose here) it hit me hard, as I myself am a Person enjoying exactly this style of music. But never did I wish death to the shooters there. I would prefer to talk and find a way how we can forgive each other.
But if this wish makes me an extremist in your eyes, I really don’t know what is wrong with you..
Samsuma
in reply to Petter1 • • •If that's the conclusion you've arrived at after reading nazi-friendly content, then you're probably a nazi too.
Ali Abunimah was born and raised in the U.S., so we can safely assume he possesses the U.S. citizenship and passport. What does Switzerland's official immigration website have to say about U.S. citizens? Oh yeah, that's right, you get full-on red carpet drawn for you:
eda.admin.ch/countries/usa/en/…
And if the state designates an organization as a terrorist group, then that's that right? We can just throw away our critical thinking (assuming we had any in the first place) and let the state known for rubbing elbows with nazis do the thinking for us, right? Piss off with that racist bullshit.
American journalist
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)8uurg
in reply to Samsuma • • •Samsuma
in reply to 8uurg • • •That's true, starting from this year. I couldn't find more information about this through primary sources of how tedious it is compared to your average long-and-arduous visa procedures that Global South countries are subjected to, but it appears to be a relatively quick non-process:
axa-schengen.com/en/visa/visit…
The reason for his deportation wasn't because "he didn't have a visa" like the original comment purported as one of the points, or a lack of a visa-waiver for that matter. It was clear-cut "he's too brown for our liking" but with glitter all over.
Schengen Visa Guide for U.S. Travelers: Requirements & Tips
AXA SchengenPetter1
in reply to Samsuma • • •endofline
in reply to Petter1 • • •Petter1
in reply to endofline • • •Apparently since 2024, according to this
schengenvisainfo.com/switzerla…
Missed that…
So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.
Edit: shengen was joined at 2008!
Switzerland Visa - Applying for a Schengen Visa to Switzerland
SchengenVisaInfoporous_grey_matter
in reply to Petter1 • • •Stop spreading misinformation, Switzerland is fully in Schengen since 2008.
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conten…
Decision - 2008/903 - EN - EUR-Lex
eur-lex.europa.euPetter1
in reply to porous_grey_matter • • •Thank you for correcting! 🙏🏻
I got confused somehow, was not intentional
ThisIsNotHim
in reply to Petter1 • • •Petter1
in reply to ThisIsNotHim • • •Apparently since 2024, according to this
schengenvisainfo.com/switzerla…
Missed that…
So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.
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SchengenVisaInfotobogganablaze
in reply to Petter1 • • •Petter1
in reply to tobogganablaze • • •😆 so many different years
But yea, you are absolutely right
Samsuma
in reply to Petter1 • • •Petter1
in reply to Samsuma • • •Thank you!
Apparently since 2024, according to this
schengenvisainfo.com/switzerla…
Missed that…
So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.
Switzerland Visa - Applying for a Schengen Visa to Switzerland
SchengenVisaInforedline
in reply to Petter1 • • •They questioned him at the airport on arrival and then let him in initially.
I'm sorry but the NZZ are full blown fascists and disgusting liars.
Petter1
in reply to redline • • •redline
in reply to Petter1 • • •Apologies again, but that is nonsense.
The NZZ ran a defamatory hit piece and then this journalist, a 53 year old man mind you, was suddenly plucked off the street by plainclothes cops.
Petter1
in reply to redline • • •🤣🤣🤣
You think NZZ has enough power to convince fedpol to ban any too popular individual from entering the country?
redline
in reply to Petter1 • • •I have no idea what went on behind the scenes.
What is clear however, is that the Swiss authorities look like pants-on-head morons, as well as fascists, for letting him in at the border and then arresting him 1930s-style less than 36 hours later.
And by the way, so do you. You look like a pants-on-head moron and a fascist for defending them.
Petter1
in reply to redline • • •😆 I guess I am one of the least racist people you’re know, like a literal hippie.
I definitely see swiss police incompetent enough that they let him through because of a high-roll persuasion action of the guy wanting to come in.
Vendetta9076
in reply to land • • •Oh wait people are upset that Switzerland didn't want a terrorist sympathizer in their country?
Thats like being upset that countries don't allow Tommy Robinson in.
land
in reply to Vendetta9076 • • •PorcupineSlippers
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in reply to PorcupineSlippers • • •Xavienth
in reply to Vendetta9076 • • •land
in reply to Vendetta9076 • • •Vendetta9076
in reply to land • • •تحريرها كلها ممكن
in reply to Vendetta9076 • • •Grapho
in reply to Vendetta9076 • • •Hamas is a political organ engaging in fully legal resistance against their occupiers.
Not that I give a single fuck about Western "international law", but even by their standards, they're not doing a single thing wrong, and if anything have shown great restraint.
More than 25000 children in Palestine are now orphans, and that's with the wildly outdated numbers. This campaign of settler genocide has been going on since the Nakba. I'll give you one guess as to what orphaned them and who is left to take them in.
BrainInABox
in reply to PorcupineSlippers • • •Count042
in reply to Vendetta9076 • • •Vendetta9076
in reply to Count042 • • •Mossad and the IDF are 100% terrorist organizations so I'd be fine with that yeah.
What, did you think that was a gotcha moment?
تحريرها كلها ممكن
in reply to Vendetta9076 • • •UnfortunateShort
in reply to land • • •تحريرها كلها ممكن
in reply to UnfortunateShort • • •Matt
in reply to land • • •تحريرها كلها ممكن
in reply to Matt • • •Grapho
in reply to Matt • • •I don't recall him supporting Israeli occupation.
If you're talking about October 7, Hamas was restrained beyond belief, given that they have the right to resist their occupiers and torturers by any means necessary.
Ignotum
in reply to Matt • • •I live in europe and i will not be silenced, certain crimes are not just permissible they're a moral good!
Adobe is evil, if you need their products then pirate it!
BrainInABox
in reply to Matt • • •تحريرها كلها ممكن
in reply to land • • •TachyonTele
in reply to تحريرها كلها ممكن • • •communism
in reply to TachyonTele • • •تحريرها كلها ممكن
in reply to land • • •Reminder: Palestine was liberated once before from the Crusaders and not by convincing the European invaders of human rights or any other value but through force.
No one should be delusional that a western colonial project backed by western powers will someday recognize the humanity of Palestinians. The only principle that the west understands is might makes right. That is the principle they have applied towards colonized peoples. Everything they say above human rights is a thin veneer over that brutal truth.
land
in reply to تحريرها كلها ممكن • • •100%. They are so delusional that 48,000+ innocent deaths are meaning nothing, but their argument starts from October 7th. When Palestinians have been facing this for 75 years.
I come to your house, steal your stuff, tell you to fuj off. Obviously, you’re gonna fight back. Seems like minds in the West are so full of hatred towards Muslims, Arabs, and brown people that they’ve lost their humanity.
Nursery2787
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