Reporting for what, exactly? Which part is misinformation, that Palestinians are fighting a national liberation movement against genocide, or that Ukraine has a non-trivial amount of Nazi brigades like Azov?
That depends. Name another Nazi brigade. I've literally only ever heard Azov when people call Ukrainians Nazis. Where are the rest? What are there names? One brigade does not a political problem make. So where are the rest of the Nazis? What is their influence in government? What laws are they pushing? What do they control? Where are the Nazis?
The OUN is a good example, there's Azov, left-wing parties have been banned by the government, there is rising antisemitism, glorification of Stepan Bandera, demonization of the Soviets, and rising Nationalism. Azov is mentioned often because it's one of the loudest and proudest Neo-Nazi elements within Ukraine, but Ukraine itself has had a long-running Nationalist strain that has pulled from Stepan Bandera, who aided in the Holocaust and fought against the Red Army.
Yup. That one's on me. I should have been more specific. I asked for an example of Nazis with power in Ukraine and you gave it to me.
Let me try again, what Nazis, specifically named, are in power today? Because what you linked mentioned one politician who is still active today who is vaguely linked to the OUN and it didn't even tell me what that link was. Similarly "Rising antisemitism" and "rising nationalism" are meaningless in this day and age. I need you to show me what you mean when you say those things. I asked for evidence, not more claims.
Stepan Bandera isn't active today, he was a Nazi collaborating fascist that the nationalists in Ukraine that make up the majority of the current political climate generally uphold as good. This leads me to believe that you aren't really familiar at all with Ukraine's history, at which point you're better off not trying to get it drip fed from me, but instead read up on it and then come to your own analysis before engaging online.
That being said, because you did directly ask, there have been many far-right celebrations of Bandera and have been happening for decades. I even deliberately avoided Israeli sources, because the Zionists in control of Israel often label pro-Palestinian protestors as anti-semetic, but the Ukrainian neo-nazis are the real deal.
The article also mentions that in 2014, Azov was incorporated into its armed forces in an official capacity. This wasn't a brigade that became Neo-Nazi later, it was added after. The government deliberately and knowingly incorporated them.
I really do recommend you do your own research on this, though, as it's clear that you don't have a firm grasp of Ukraine's history, or what has gradually led up to the Russo-Ukrainian war.
the comments and the downvotes would be fascinating if it weren't so clear that they come from a place of deeply ingrained willful ignorance.
even the american liberal media is starting to admit that this is true, yet american liberals clutch onto it for whatever reason and i wish i could understand why.
My guess is that their thinking is based on the sunk cost fallacy. The Western ruling class has been wasting everybody’s tax dollars on this conflict for several years now and nobody wants to see all of that dosh go to waste by letting Kiev and Moscow sign a peace treaty that inhibits NATO expansion.
What I find upsetting is how so many people can dismiss the antisemites in the Ukrainian military and other institutions with half-baked excuses like ‘it’s okay because the neo-Nazis are all gone now’ (whichthey aren’t), ‘it’s okay because they have a Jewish president’ (who isn’t fixing the problem), and ‘it’s okay because Russia’s got neo-Nazis too’ (which is irrelevant; they aren’t the ones benefitting from our tax dollars). I know that it doesn’t bother neoclassical liberals to keep beating their war drums, but that they can gloss over Ukrainian antisemitism as a nonissue and an open and shut case… just astonishes me.
'Our victory is the victory of our ideas.' Escalating the memory war 'to support the enslaved peoples.' The 'Bandera Lobby' and a 'dangerously dumb delusion.'
Maybe we have a basic understanding of geopolitics and the facts. Like Ukraine never had a Nazi problem. How could you compare a dictatorship to a free democracy and call the democracy Nazis like hello?
Why do you always think it's Russian trolls? Is there really nothing criticizable anymore about this war romance y'all got going for Ukraine? Any critical minds just have to be 'Putin's puppies'? I'm so fucking tired of this simplistic ass Marvel heroes viewpoint.
Right, because it's always the Lemmy.ml occult that's at fault and not your fault for glamorizing nazism and straight-up denying historical material reality:
I’m pretty new to Lemmy, but I start to understand how these places works, and jezz, lemmy.ml seems a spin off of RT.
Lemmy does not have the bot farms curating pro-western opinions. If you adopted those opinions via osmosis (happens to the best of us, that's why those bots exist.), their abscence is bound to weird you out.
Unsure if alzheimers or troll. But a reason to be suspended for sure.
EDIT: If things are still unclear. You copied his comment like a child who uses the same words like the enemy to win. Just being a mirror doesnt make you win an argument.
in this circlejerk called lemmy.ml, people has very shaky legs
Lemmy is not Reddit. Instances are administered by administrators who dictate the general rules and each community is managed by moderators who dictate specific rules. In this case, you are posting provocative comments, forcing the rules of the community in which this discussion is developing and going against the common feeling of that community (= more briefly, you are trolling). If you do not agree with the tone that is developing in a certain community, you can mute it. Not only is no one forcing you to comment, but it is not advisable to do so, because here people do not want to argue, but to discuss. In particular, you are doing something very incorrect: you are criticizing the methods and environment of a community that resides in an instance other than the one you are registered in. This is not acceptable! As far as I am concerned, no one should be allowed to give lessons to those who manage instances other than the one you are registered in. This way of doing things leads to a worsening of the climate of the discussion, to tensions between administrators and above all to the fact that I, as administrator of Poliverso, have to receive mountains of reports.
The Fediverso is beautiful because everyone can go to the places where they can feel better, but it should not be used to ruin the discussion environment for those who do not think like you.
It's precisely what I'm trying to get you to understand my dear, the world isn't black and white. But as soon as I criticize anything about Ukraine and the EU, I get called a Russian troll.
So what am I missing about Palestine? Why shouldn't we send them some weapons and tanks?
I just pointed out those conflicts are quite different and that comparison is biased and wrong.
You didn't say why, what is your reasoning behind that (because there is none) so you might as well have said pink microwave
It's a very poor argument
You, on the other hand, have no argument and no knowledge to defend it. Or you don't understand what I wrote and have simply lapped up EU propaganda, so you don't know how to debate.
I just said the meme does a wrong comparison, you labeled me and now you pretend I've to explain my opinions?
Well, you should've asked before attacking me, hoe old are you? You are not interested in what I think about this meme, you're a child who cares about winning an argument (like pretty much anybody in this instance when they find someone they disagree with).
It was you who replied to my comment calling it 'childish argument' without stating a single reason for it. When I asked you a question you're like "hey hey I didn't wanna talk about weapons" and keep on calling me a child.
I guess you can't really see who attacked who.
Don't reply to anyone calling them childish or whatever on lemmy.ml or anywhere for that matter if you're not prepared to have a discussion, if you're not willing to at the very least defend what you say intellectually, because then you're just someone who wants to say a catchy phrase and leave. And that would indeed be childish, don't you think?
Dude is gender neutral. You literally just wantto fight and are a troll.
EDIT: But you seem less like a troll after confirming you aren't lying about your gender. Still, touch some grass and dont get involved in stressful internet fights to be right somewhere.
The correct answer when someone tells you that you misgendered them is "oh, sorry, thanks for letting me know, I'll use the correct pronouns in the future," not "actually, a historically male-oriented word is gender-neutral and I am absolved of all guilt." It's likely not a big deal, so there's no need to defend yourself over it, acknowledge it and move on.
Well you see, as you increasingly slip into McCarthyist paranoia, your definition of "Russian troll" is going to grow ever more expansive as it approaches "everyone who disagrees with me". As a result, it's going to seem like there's more of them to you
To be clear, Lemmy is developed and maintained by Communists, there are going to be many Communists on Lemmy in general. Going around and calling Communists McCarthyian terms like "commie" is just stoking rage, I don't see what that fixes.
Love how in the first image you show the best part of the Palestinian people (which I do think is very much in the majority), but then in the second image you show the worst part of the Ukrainian people (which are very much in the minority).
The ultimate lib move: exaggerating the villainy of their political opponents (or just straight up lying) and downplaying anything that's inconvenient to their "chivalrous" and "noble" narrative, namely their naked imperialism:
Whoever doesn't obey USA's commands, USA calls a dictator, and then starts a vilifying campaign to justify intervening and getting rid of him/them. The EU always plays along and certainly Ukraine will not be an exception because it's all business to them (Putin included) and war is the most profitable of all businesses.
Are you saying I am doing that here? The only thing I said was saying that the image is a little bit weird. Or do you think the majority of ukraine are nazi’s?
I don't see how my comment could be interpreted as claiming "majority". The point is, you're downplaying the rampant Nazi problem and its effects within Ukraine, which is ingrained in many aspects (see the sources) and practically institutionalized. the fact that you want to contest this speaks volume to your character.
Not sure why it's difficult to understand: saying "they're just in the minority" diminishes the actual reality and effects of their allowed existence in the first place, minority or otherwise. So protected they are, that they receive state-funding to be kept alive. Otherwise, what's the point of your comment?
Translations:English (UK)Русский (Россия)Authored and researched by Oleksiy Kuzmenko, Michael Colborne Ahead of Ukrainian parliamentary elections on July 21, it is clear from polling data that Ukraine’s far-right groups and their ideas enjoy little …
The point of my comment, which I thought was pretty clear, was to say the image is a little bit bias by only showing the worst people of Ukraine, but showing the best part of the palastinian people (Where hamas has a ~44% approval rating). Shall we continue putting random sources to prove some kind of point, or?
I don’t know if it’s normal to end your message with the ideology you have grouped your “opponent” into, but if that is the case I choose upper-left of the political compass for you (:
And the point remains that libs like you like to say stupid shit and downplay the severity of an allowed "minority" group (which by the way, is more than just one group) that committed the bulk of war crimes in the past 3 or so years before and during the invasion, all while enjoying continued state-wide support as they continue to appear as this "minority" moniker, since Western media refuses to shed light into what they've done and what they continue to do: globalresearch.ca/one-less-tra…
In the West Bank, support for Hamas today stands at 44% (compared to 12% three months ago), and for Fatah at 16% (compared to 26% three months ago). In the Gaza Strip, support for Hamas today stands at 42% (compared to 38% three months ago)
When asked which political party or political trend they support, the largest percentage selected Hamas (43%), followed by Fatah (17%), while 12% selected other or third-party groups, and 28% said none of them or did not know.
Vote for Hamas in the Gaza Strip stands today at 52% (compared to 44% three months ago) and for Fateh at 21% (compared to 32% three months ago). In the West Bank, vote for Hamas stands at 50% (compared to 24% three months ago) and Fatah at 18% (compared to 40% three months ago).
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I feel like you've built two straw-men and conflated them together. I haven't seen anybody arguing either case on the left side of the meme in response to the images depicted (or similar) on the right side of the meme. People wanting to send weapons to Ukraine generally tend to also say it doesn't have a Nazi problem (and may compare Russia with Nazis), and people wanting pacifism in Palestine also don't like weapons and support sent to Israel.
I don't want weapons sent to Nazis in Ukraine that are going to be Europe's new flavor of domestic terrorist when the funding and weapons run dry because Europe thinks cutting all their social services is enough to do a "Slava Ukraini!" 😁
Surely this wont spawn a new generation of right-wing domestic terrorists in Europe that have an easily antagonized base already susceptible to right-wing propaganda. Not at all. Then again, the west truly sows what it reaps.
It's good, I would have thought the same if I were to stumble on it now. Somebody must have provided an extremely quick downvote, because I hadn't downvoted you
hmm... And why would you say supporting Russia and Palestine count has "understanding geopolitics"? I say this as someone who does not know too much about it.
Both Palestine and Russia are on the western "to be conquered"-list. The difference that Russia can muster enough military power to directly oppose those plans. Palestine is in amuch worse position. Both however, are support worthy because of their place on that list.
Question: If Trump reverses the direction of US foreign policy, and starts openly seeking for Ukraine to be conquered and have its resources and land taken by Russia and the US, would it become support worthy because of its place on that list?
How about Canada? If he starts trying to conquer Canada (not that I think he would, I think it is pure posturing) would it then start needing Lemmygrad's support?
That would make both states just two more puppet states the US eventually shot in the head. At no point did these states oppose the US empire, they were just good lapdogs until daddy US took them behind the shed and put a bullet to their head.
I want to ask about how strongly Russia's economy is doing, and how they are rising and NATO is falling apart and the EU is going to all crumble and freeze in the dark with no fossil fuels while Russia stands strong, and how that all ties in with this whole theory, but I have lost interest.
I wish you luck with your geopolitical theories. Y'all are weird.
Well, you deserve an answer regarding your economic question for the way. Russias economy is doing pretty well, its government used the time from 2014 onwards to create alternatives to western markets. For example gas and oil go to India(who resells some to the EU) and China now. And the US who, of course, does not comply with the sanctions. Another factor of Russias resilience to western sanctions is the historical fact that the west sanctions non-western countries all the time. This created a situation in which most of the world is under western sanctions of varous kinds, the sanctioned countries are less inclined to follow western dictates regarding Russia. So Russia still can trade with most of the world.
Meanwhile Europe did expect to get cheap gas as always no matter how much it antagonized Russia. Unfortunately for them, Russia did not renew the delivery contract it had with the EU countries(which would guarantee delivery for a pre-settled price). Leading to the EU having to buy Russian gas on the spot market (highly variable prices). Some EU countries did not antagonize Russia as much, and thus had their contract renewed, thney got fucked another way by big daddy Washington. With the US blowing up Northstream 2 and Ukraine stopping transit over its territory, the EU is physically cut off from Russian gas and and has to find alternatives fast.
One adress was Qatar, who can not cover the demand. Another was the US, who can but wants multiple times what Russia demanded. Furthermore, in either case the delivery would happen in liquified form. Which is ecologically problematic to say the least.
Liquidification requires lots of energie and produces a shitload of CO2 emissions. Driving it over by special ships (of which not enough exist) again pumps lots of CO2 out and poisons the oceans because the large ship machines are using the absolute worst for fuel. That stuff then has to get on land, sufficient terminals only existed in Spain, in Germany they had to be built ignoring safety standards, because they were needed asap. The US gas is extracted from shale, as a side effect of shale oil extraction. This process poisons the land and water, leading to tab water being flamable in many parts of the US.
Overall this means rising energy costs in the west, which means less favourable conditions of energy intensive companies. The US solves that way by pulling all restrictions regarding shale oil extraction, digging up Alaska and so on and providing tax incentives for companies moving to the US - in short: They loot their vassal states in Europe.
Europe is fucked. Which, of course, leads to tensions within NATO. Especially as the US wants the euros to shoulder the cost of their occupation now, too. Teh EU countries have already been weakened by austerity and neoliberal politics, now have to pump billions into their militaries. Said money is created via debt on one side, via further cuts on social services on the other, creating internal tensions. Said tensions can be observed by the rise of the far right in every EU country.
Another reason for inter NATO and EU tensions is the fact that the countries in the Eu who did not antagonize Russia, now also are fucked. Because the US and it's ukranian dog blocked direct pipelines.
So put together the situation, the EU got fucked by the US and its own stupidity, Ukraine got fucked by NATO, EU, US and its own stupidity, Russia got away cleanly, the US got away cleanly at the cost of its imperial periphery. Climate Change won big. Humanity lost big.
"To be an enemy of the United States is risky, to be an ally is fatal."
Both work against US Imperial Hegemony. Palestinian liberation is fully supported as it's a national liberation movement for people subjected to settler-colonial genocide, critical support for Russia is due to it currently working against US dominance, which is the primary obstacle for Humanity to progress economically into a more equitable global system.
If you're describing Marxist-Leninists as being interchangeable with "tankies," and MLs are by far the most common form of Marxist and Socialist world-wide, what's the point in denoting the top-left quadrant as "Socialist/Anarchist?" Moreover, Anarchists are not a monolith, many don't support continuing the war.
I think the original is more generous, anti-war-ism is genuinely a relatively positive way of putting it even if critical support for Russia is deemed to be "fully knowledgeable." The original fully acknowledges the principles of never striking first millitarily as a viewpoint with understandable moral basis, while also suggesting that that isn't the complete picture.
I didn't intend to make them interchangeable any more than I meant to make socialist and anarchist interchangeable, they're just in the same quadrant of this graph. Although that being said, if they support Russia they're at least tankie-adjacent. This is exactly the problem I have with campism in general - "critical support" for a fascist-imperialist autocracy that invades its' neighbors for the purpose of subjugating them is unhinged for someone who ostensibly believes in socialism and the liberation of the working class. I despise the way it makes people view geopolitics as a game to be won without regard for actual people on the ground.
I don't think you're accurately describing the reasons Russia invaded Ukraine, the material reality points more towards Russia wanting to thoroughly demillitarize Ukraine by any means necessary and certify Ukrainian neutrality with NATO, rather than joining it.
As for standing for Socialism and the liberation of the working class, the majority of Marxists believe that the current largest obstacle in that path globally is the US Empire, and US Hegemony. Russia poses less of a threat to Socialism worldwide than the US by virtue of not having nearly the power of the US. I have no doubt that the Russian Federation would be just as exploitative of the Global South if they were in the same position as the US Empire, but they aren't, and instead their path to further profits relies on dethroning the US. This dethroning of the US is also necessary for Socialists, hence critical support insofar as it appears to be working against the US Empire.
Let's consider the opposite viewpoint, though. What happens if Ukraine, against all odds, succeeds in beating back Russia, maintains millitarization, and joins NATO? Russia further weakens, and becomes folded into subjugation under the US Empire. This likely results in opening up of some of Russia's assets to foreign plundering, strengthens NATO (the US Empire's millitary wing, essentially), and thus also weakens the position of the Global South.
What most Marxists support is a quick end to the war, via peace deals. The US continuing the war in order to shackle Ukraine with massive IMF loans and secure ownership of key resources and minerals stands in the way of that, and wishes to prolong the war so they can carve out as much value out of Ukraine as they can. Increasingly, Ukrainians themselves want the war to end, rather than sacrificing themselves for US profits, even if it means Russian victory. There is no actual path to victory for Ukraine without NATO full-on joining in, causing a catastrophic level of death and destruction.
What should a Socialist side with, in this situation? Where is the path to the best possible outcome, in your opinion?
I am genuinely happy to see that the Russian web brigades think the Fediverse is a good attack vector. Just means we're growing; delete this shit though.
We can look back on the history of the two nations, and we can look on the history of Israel's genocide of Palestinians. The major difference is that Israel was formed as a genocidal ethnostate on Palestinian land, whereas the invasion of Ukraine seems to be a proxy war for the US to carve out as many IMF loans as possible while Russia tries to thoroughly demillitarize Ukraine.
Why did Palestine strike back against Israel on October 7th? Why did Russia invade Ukraine?
Ah yes the great nato sob story. Because land barriers matter to a country with nuclear deterrence.
The changes made to appease Russia after the invasion of Georgia in 2008 are missing from your lists there… I guess because it goes against your narrative and exposes this idea as insane.
Because land barriers matter to a country with nuclear deterrence.
If that were true, then why did the Cuban missile crisis happen? And didn’t the Kursk incursion disprove the theory that nuclear weapons guarantee deterrence? This is as much about NATO placing nuclear weapons to within minutes of Moscow and other major civilian centers and strategic locations as it is about the three times that Russia was invaded via Ukraine in the last two hundred or so years.
The nukes sent to Cuba through Operation Anadyr were because
The Soviets were responding to nuclear Jupiter missiles the US placed in Turkey (right on the USSR's doorstep, and which Kruschev managed to negotiate a withdrawal of alongside the nukes sent to Cuba as a deal on the condition that this withdrawal remain secret so Kennedy could protect his image)
As a response to West Germany violating the agreed upon borders and placing a NATO base in East German territory, and
To prevent a full-scale invasion of Cuba that the US was preparing for.
No, lmao. The Russian Federation is nowhere near powerful enough for that, nor do they have an actual material nor ideological reason for that. It's pretty clear that the Russian Federation simply hates NATO being on its border, especially Ukraine, and is thus trying to demillitarize Ukraine by any means necessary so that it can no longer consider it a potential threat.
There aren't grand delusions of world conquest, nor is there any evidence of a larger plan. If they wanted World Domination, then they would have expanded beyond Ukraine by now in the Russo-Ukrainian war. They haven't, and instead we are seeing pushes for peace talks now that it looks like such talks will be clearly in Russia's favor. If they wanted global conquest, why stop before taking all of Ukraine? Why Ukraine specifically?
I understand detesting the invasion on moral grounds, but inventing reasons just because they sound more scary doesn't get you any closer to solving the problem and ending the war.
Hi, welcome to universe A. We have a thing here called temporal causality. The 1940s existed before 2023, therefore, the incident in 2023 cannot be the cause of a war started in the 1940s.
We hope you have a nice stay in this universe, but do be aware that fascist propaganda like you're trying to spread can and will get you killed, as it should.
Saying 'palestine started the war' is repeating propaganda from the fascist state of israel. Fascists always get killed in this universe, it's a natural law that eventually they fuck up so severely they end up dead. So repeating fascist propaganda like 2000 beheaded babies or twenty eleventy billion murdered teens or palestine (not even gaza, palestine as a whole) started a war is dangerous. Someone might mistake you for a child murdering piece of shit like every single idf soldier is.
Israel has controlled the USG for decades now. We support Israel because they have been intricately and impressively spying on us since at least the 1980s and bought and paid for most of our politicians. It's just that simple, they own our politicians, and therefore: when they do heinous evil, our politicians look away.
Ukraine was invaded by our largest rival on the world stage as a power grab, and NATO decided to help.
The two situations are not comparable in the slightest.
Other way around, the US supports Israel because it secures the US Empire's interests in the region. Israel does not have nearly the power necessary to control the US, this line of thinking fails to analyze the real standings of the two countries. Presumably unintentionally on your part, the "Israel controls the US" narrative is actually pushed heavily by anti-semites, it perpetuates the notion that Jewish people control the world in a manner that recognizes the genocide of Palestinians. This is why correct analysis is important, as false conclusions aid the fascists. Anti-Zionism is correct, as is Palestinian liberation, but the US is not a victim here but is intentionally perpetuating it.
As for NATO and Ukraine, NATO countries are "helping out" not out of any moral reason, but to make hefty profits off of IMF loans and resource/mineral contracts. Additionally, Russia is not the US Empire's largest rival on the world stage, China is. It's true that Russia goes against the US, but it hasn't been a world power since the dissolution of the USSR, when the reintroduction of Capitalism obliterated Russia's economy.
There will be violence in Ukraine regardless of whether weapons are sent there or not. The second option will make it so there's noone to police the russians. Pretty much like palestinians can't do much about israelis slaughtering them.
NATO had buit the largest of any European armies there and they were slaughtering the ethnic Russians, nobody was crying about policing them were they?
No one knowing what you're saying is a problem, but that's a you problem. Everyone who reads what you wrote is confused because what you're saying sounds like the ravings of a lunatic. No one knows what you're talking about. We've never heard of these events you're alluding to. So either show proof of them or we're going to write you off as another propaganda shill
But you knew all of this because it's 2025 and no one on lemmy doesn't understand how the Internet works. Which means you're lying for a purpose. You're a propagandist.
LOL 8 YEARS is hard to ignore. Couldn't look that up with all your interwebs knowledge? I don't know who your WE is that doesn't see this but that's probably part of your crappy propaganda outfit. Anyone with a brain knows what happened and is going on. The reality is catching up with you and you're embarrassing, nothing more. Propaganda only goes so far, especially if you're on the wrong side. So enjoy what is coming, you deserve it fully.
Yah, nope. Still completely fucking lost. You suck at writing my dude. Maybe take a class? Idk, but your teachers failed you hard. I said we because I'm not op supergenius.
LOL the eloquent "nope" and "dude" guy doesn't know his limitations and thinks he can criticize his betters. TF are you talking about even? You know nothing about the world you live in and are a tool parroting the BS that is fed to you. Not smart enough to shut up and realise he's out of his depth. So go away, you people bring nothing to the table, boring and unoriginal. Invariably throwing personal insults since they know nothing about the subject matter and have only that as a last resort. Sad little boy.
Ugh, the crying about NATO armies. "They were about to get too strong to attack, so Russia had to attack before they got completely too strong to attack." Yeah, okay vlad
yawn you people are always sooo original. Besides their viewpoints they also need to parrot the insults for lack of any independent thought Not much of a challenge Let me just block you before you kill me with boredom.
NATO had buit the largest of any European armies there and they were slaughtering the ethnic Russians, nobody was crying about policing them were they?
But I have no sources other than my thoughts to support this view."
I'm saying this is not some secret and verifiable fact. They had 600K and a few100k reserves. Far more than England, France or whoever. Also the most tanks and everything else except navy. Even with all the nATO help and training it didn't go too well so they used the Minsk accords to arm even further. Merkel admitted this, it is clear they never intended to honor it. Reports from the OCSE show how they continuously broke the ceasefire. Just before Russia intervened they reported 100's of bombings. 98% on the ukro site. Maybe learn to look something up, or don't and keep making snooty remarks bcs you don't want to see the truth.
This is so far from each other and also not helping the people in palestine in their horrible Situation. You are actually harming them by softening their role in this crisis. Its not Israel against Palestrina. Its the Israeligovermentt and Hamas against the people of Israel and Palestine.
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in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Yup. That one's on me. I should have been more specific. I asked for an example of Nazis with power in Ukraine and you gave it to me.
Let me try again, what Nazis, specifically named, are in power today? Because what you linked mentioned one politician who is still active today who is vaguely linked to the OUN and it didn't even tell me what that link was. Similarly "Rising antisemitism" and "rising nationalism" are meaningless in this day and age. I need you to show me what you mean when you say those things. I asked for evidence, not more claims.
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in reply to BoulevardBlvd • • •Stepan Bandera isn't active today, he was a Nazi collaborating fascist that the nationalists in Ukraine that make up the majority of the current political climate generally uphold as good. This leads me to believe that you aren't really familiar at all with Ukraine's history, at which point you're better off not trying to get it drip fed from me, but instead read up on it and then come to your own analysis before engaging online.
That being said, because you did directly ask, there have been many far-right celebrations of Bandera and have been happening for decades. I even deliberately avoided Israeli sources, because the Zionists in control of Israel often label pro-Palestinian protestors as anti-semetic, but the Ukrainian neo-nazis are the real deal.
The article also mentions that in 2014, Azov was incorporated into its armed forces in an official capacity. This wasn't a brigade that became Neo-Nazi later, it was added after. The government deliberately and knowingly incorporated them.
I really do recommend you do your own research on this, though, as it's clear that you don't have a firm grasp of Ukraine's history, or what has gradually led up to the Russo-Ukrainian war.
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in reply to Spectre • • •the comments and the downvotes would be fascinating if it weren't so clear that they come from a place of deeply ingrained willful ignorance.
even the american liberal media is starting to admit that this is true, yet american liberals clutch onto it for whatever reason and i wish i could understand why.
Anarcho-Bolshevik
in reply to eldavi • • •My guess is that their thinking is based on the sunk cost fallacy. The Western ruling class has been wasting everybody’s tax dollars on this conflict for several years now and nobody wants to see all of that dosh go to waste by letting Kiev and Moscow sign a peace treaty that inhibits NATO expansion.
What I find upsetting is how so many people can dismiss the antisemites in the Ukrainian military and other institutions with half-baked excuses like ‘it’s okay because the neo-Nazis are all gone now’ (which they aren’t), ‘it’s okay because they have a Jewish president’ (who isn’t fixing the problem), and ‘it’s okay because Russia’s got neo-Nazis too’ (which is irrelevant; they aren’t the ones benefitting from our tax dollars). I know that it doesn’t bother neoclassical liberals to keep beating their war drums, but that they can gloss over Ukrainian antisemitism as a nonissue and an open and shut case… just astonishes me.
Visions of Greater Ukraine*
Moss Robeson (Bandera Lobby Blog)silverlose
in reply to Anarcho-Bolshevik • • •Anarcho-Bolshevik
in reply to silverlose • • •…wow.
silverlose
in reply to Anarcho-Bolshevik • • •FelixCress
in reply to Spectre • • •Pherenike
in reply to FelixCress • • •Is there really nothing criticizable anymore about this war romance y'all got going for Ukraine?
Any critical minds just have to be 'Putin's puppies'?
I'm so fucking tired of this simplistic ass Marvel heroes viewpoint.
FelixCress
in reply to Pherenike • • •Can also be Putin's useful idiots. Take your pick.
Pherenike
in reply to FelixCress • • •No really, tell me why. Let me pick your brain.
Or are you simply repeating the same shit others say?
FelixCress
in reply to Pherenike • • •Pherenike
in reply to FelixCress • • •You have definitely changed my view! It's all Putin!
Now go back to playing pokemon.
Samsuma
in reply to Pherenike • • •brainpower is when putler, soypower is when western media literally admitting that russian trolls barely exist
get it right smh...
PotatoLibre
in reply to Pherenike • • •Pherenike
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •PotatoLibre
in reply to Pherenike • • •Don't you feel a bit ashame with that childish argument?
Ever heard about nuances? World isn't just white and black. Grow up.
Samsuma
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •PotatoLibre
in reply to Samsuma • • •I feel it will be kinda wasted time, my comments always got cowardly banned in this circlejerk called lemmy.ml, people has very shaky legs.
I'm pretty new to Lemmy, but I start ti undertstand how these places works, and jezz, lemmy.ml seems a spin off of RT.
Samsuma
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •Right, because it's always the Lemmy.ml occult that's at fault and not your fault for glamorizing nazism and straight-up denying historical material reality:
lemmy.ml/modlog?commentId=1747…
lemmy.ml/modlog?commentId=1715…
Turn the other way and right off you go. You can keep clutching them pearls while you're at it, westoid.
REEEEvolution
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •Lemmy does not have the bot farms curating pro-western opinions. If you adopted those opinions via osmosis (happens to the best of us, that's why those bots exist.), their abscence is bound to weird you out.
BrainInABox
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •Don’t you feel a bit ashame with that childish argument?
Ever heard about nuances? World isn’t just white and black. Grow up.
ReakDuck
in reply to BrainInABox • • •BrainInABox
in reply to ReakDuck • • •ReakDuck
in reply to BrainInABox • • •Sorry, but just copy paste an entire comment where someone put a good point, to the same Person, makes no sense.
Its like crying about the fact and just trying to repeat what other Person said to himself again, in hopes to look good again.
BrainInABox
in reply to ReakDuck • • •ReakDuck
in reply to BrainInABox • • •feddit.it/comment/12451838
Unsure if alzheimers or troll. But a reason to be suspended for sure.
EDIT: If things are still unclear. You copied his comment like a child who uses the same words like the enemy to win. Just being a mirror doesnt make you win an argument.
PotatoLibre
2025-03-24 12:53:37
Poliverso
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •Lemmy is not Reddit. Instances are administered by administrators who dictate the general rules and each community is managed by moderators who dictate specific rules.
In this case, you are posting provocative comments, forcing the rules of the community in which this discussion is developing and going against the common feeling of that community (= more briefly, you are trolling).
If you do not agree with the tone that is developing in a certain community, you can mute it. Not only is no one forcing you to comment, but it is not advisable to do so, because here people do not want to argue, but to discuss.
In particular, you are doing something very incorrect: you are criticizing the methods and environment of a community that resides in an instance other than the one you are registered in. This is not acceptable! As far as I am concerned, no one should be allowed to give lessons to those who manage instances other than the one you are registered in.
This way of doing things leads to a worsening of the climate of the discussion, to tensions between administrators and above all to the fact that I, as administrator of Poliverso, have to receive mountains of reports.
The Fediverso is beautiful because everyone can go to the places where they can feel better, but it should not be used to ruin the discussion environment for those who do not think like you.
Pherenike
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •It's precisely what I'm trying to get you to understand my dear, the world isn't black and white. But as soon as I criticize anything about Ukraine and the EU, I get called a Russian troll.
So what am I missing about Palestine? Why shouldn't we send them some weapons and tanks?
PotatoLibre
in reply to Pherenike • • •Dude, you talked about weapons, not me. I just pointed out those conflicts are quite different and that comparison is biased and wrong.
It's a very poor argument.
Pherenike
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •I am a woman
It's what the meme above is about
You didn't say why, what is your reasoning behind that (because there is none) so you might as well have said pink microwave
You, on the other hand, have no argument and no knowledge to defend it. Or you don't understand what I wrote and have simply lapped up EU propaganda, so you don't know how to debate.
Don't attack if you plan on running afterwards
PotatoLibre
in reply to Pherenike • • •I just said the meme does a wrong comparison, you labeled me and now you pretend I've to explain my opinions?
Well, you should've asked before attacking me, hoe old are you? You are not interested in what I think about this meme, you're a child who cares about winning an argument (like pretty much anybody in this instance when they find someone they disagree with).
Pherenike
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •It was you who replied to my comment calling it 'childish argument' without stating a single reason for it. When I asked you a question you're like "hey hey I didn't wanna talk about weapons" and keep on calling me a child.
I guess you can't really see who attacked who.
Don't reply to anyone calling them childish or whatever on lemmy.ml or anywhere for that matter if you're not prepared to have a discussion, if you're not willing to at the very least defend what you say intellectually, because then you're just someone who wants to say a catchy phrase and leave. And that would indeed be childish, don't you think?
JohnDClay
in reply to Pherenike • • •ReakDuck
in reply to Pherenike • • •Dude is gender neutral. You literally just wantto fight and are a troll.
EDIT: But you seem less like a troll after confirming you aren't lying about your gender. Still, touch some grass and dont get involved in stressful internet fights to be right somewhere.
m532
in reply to ReakDuck • • •ReakDuck
in reply to m532 • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to ReakDuck • • •ReakDuck
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •m532
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •JohnDClay
in reply to Pherenike • • •silverlose
in reply to Pherenike • • •BrainInABox
in reply to FelixCress • • •PotatoLibre
in reply to FelixCress • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •Sleepless One
in reply to PotatoLibre • • •softcat
in reply to Spectre • • •remotelove
in reply to softcat • • •softcat
in reply to remotelove • • •remotelove
in reply to softcat • • •Anarcho-Bolshevik
in reply to softcat • • •Russian National Union - Wikipedia
wikiless.northboot.xyzAnarcho-Bolshevik
in reply to softcat • • •PolandIsAStateOfMind
in reply to Anarcho-Bolshevik • • •silverlose
in reply to softcat • • •Disprove what?
Palestine started their war, Ukraine was invaded. One is fighting for democracy, the other is fighting under terrorists.
They are not the even close to the same.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to silverlose • • •dodo 🇨🇦🇺🇦
in reply to Spectre • • •🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕠𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖
in reply to Spectre • • •Samsuma
in reply to 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕠𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖 • • •Thekingoflorda
in reply to Spectre • • •Samsuma
in reply to Thekingoflorda • • •The ultimate lib move: exaggerating the villainy of their political opponents (or just straight up lying) and downplaying anything that's inconvenient to their "chivalrous" and "noble" narrative, namely their naked imperialism:
lemmy.ml/post/25116459/1626449…
lemmy.ml/post/26387945/1692895…
lemmy.ml/post/25619954/1732354…
Pherenike
in reply to Samsuma • • •The EU always plays along and certainly Ukraine will not be an exception because it's all business to them (Putin included) and war is the most profitable of all businesses.
Thekingoflorda
in reply to Samsuma • • •Samsuma
in reply to Thekingoflorda • • •To be precise, mostly the latter of my comment applies, yes.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what I think, see the linked posts for details, feel free to challenge any of the sources while providing your own.
Thekingoflorda
in reply to Samsuma • • •Samsuma
in reply to Thekingoflorda • • •Thekingoflorda
in reply to Samsuma • • •Samsuma
in reply to Thekingoflorda • • •Not sure why it's difficult to understand: saying "they're just in the minority" diminishes the actual reality and effects of their allowed existence in the first place, minority or otherwise. So protected they are, that they receive state-funding to be kept alive. Otherwise, what's the point of your comment?
Glad I could clear the confusion though, lib.
Ukrainian Far-Right Extremists Receive State Funds to Teach "Patriotism" - bellingcat
Bellingcat Anti-Equality Monitoring (bellingcat)Thekingoflorda
in reply to Samsuma • • •The point of my comment, which I thought was pretty clear, was to say the image is a little bit bias by only showing the worst people of Ukraine, but showing the best part of the palastinian people (Where hamas has a ~44% approval rating). Shall we continue putting random sources to prove some kind of point, or?
I don’t know if it’s normal to end your message with the ideology you have grouped your “opponent” into, but if that is the case I choose upper-left of the political compass for you (:
Samsuma
in reply to Thekingoflorda • • •And the point remains that libs like you like to say stupid shit and downplay the severity of an allowed "minority" group (which by the way, is more than just one group) that committed the bulk of war crimes in the past 3 or so years before and during the invasion, all while enjoying continued state-wide support as they continue to appear as this "minority" moniker, since Western media refuses to shed light into what they've done and what they continue to do: globalresearch.ca/one-less-tra…
Is Hamas the "worst of Palestine"? That there is according to an old article run by the Empire Press, which states 44% of Palestinians in the West Bank, not 44% of Palestinians. The article also omits the fact that Hamas was the overall favored party, of those who participated in the polls at the time. The source that they're referring to, published in Dec 2nd of 2023, (which they also conveniently omit and one which you are oblivious to) is this, which mentions the following:
It has decreased since then, as a result of undecided voters, no surprise there since there's literally other things to prioritize than to participate in polls or elections during a fucking genocide..
This "intellectual oversight" is beyond disingenuous, disgusting and bad-faith: it's just plain liberal.
“One Less Traitor”: Zelensky Oversees Campaign of Assassination, Kidnapping and Torture of Political Opposition - Global Research
Global ResearchArthur Besse
in reply to Thekingoflorda • • •i'm curious, where do you place yourself on that compass? if you've got 20 minutes I highly recommend about it.
- YouTube
www.youtube.comdnick
in reply to Samsuma • • •yistdaj
in reply to Spectre • • •-6-6-6-
in reply to yistdaj • • •I don't want weapons sent to Nazis in Ukraine that are going to be Europe's new flavor of domestic terrorist when the funding and weapons run dry because Europe thinks cutting all their social services is enough to do a "Slava Ukraini!" 😁
Surely this wont spawn a new generation of right-wing domestic terrorists in Europe that have an easily antagonized base already susceptible to right-wing propaganda. Not at all. Then again, the west truly sows what it reaps.
silverlose
in reply to -6-6-6- • • •-6-6-6-
in reply to silverlose • • •branch of service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)thePicard
in reply to yistdaj • • •yistdaj
in reply to thePicard • • •thePicard
in reply to yistdaj • • •yistdaj
in reply to thePicard • • •Somebody must have provided an extremely quick downvote, because I hadn't downvoted you
androidul
in reply to Spectre • • •Dessalines
in reply to Spectre • • •prototype_g2
in reply to Dessalines • • •Dessalines
in reply to prototype_g2 • • •JohnDClay
in reply to Dessalines • • •-6-6-6-
in reply to JohnDClay • • •Dessalines
in reply to JohnDClay • • •REEEEvolution
in reply to prototype_g2 • • •PhilipTheBucket
in reply to REEEEvolution • • •Question: If Trump reverses the direction of US foreign policy, and starts openly seeking for Ukraine to be conquered and have its resources and land taken by Russia and the US, would it become support worthy because of its place on that list?
How about Canada? If he starts trying to conquer Canada (not that I think he would, I think it is pure posturing) would it then start needing Lemmygrad's support?
REEEEvolution
in reply to PhilipTheBucket • • •PhilipTheBucket
in reply to REEEEvolution • • •I want to ask about how strongly Russia's economy is doing, and how they are rising and NATO is falling apart and the EU is going to all crumble and freeze in the dark with no fossil fuels while Russia stands strong, and how that all ties in with this whole theory, but I have lost interest.
I wish you luck with your geopolitical theories. Y'all are weird.
REEEEvolution
in reply to PhilipTheBucket • • •Well, you deserve an answer regarding your economic question for the way. Russias economy is doing pretty well, its government used the time from 2014 onwards to create alternatives to western markets. For example gas and oil go to India(who resells some to the EU) and China now. And the US who, of course, does not comply with the sanctions.
Another factor of Russias resilience to western sanctions is the historical fact that the west sanctions non-western countries all the time. This created a situation in which most of the world is under western sanctions of varous kinds, the sanctioned countries are less inclined to follow western dictates regarding Russia. So Russia still can trade with most of the world.
Meanwhile Europe did expect to get cheap gas as always no matter how much it antagonized Russia. Unfortunately for them, Russia did not renew the delivery contract it had with the EU countries(which would guarantee delivery for a pre-settled price). Leading to the EU having to buy Russian gas on the spot market (highly variable prices). Some EU countries did not antagonize Russia as much, and thus had their contract renewed, thney got fucked another way by big daddy Washington. With the US blowing up Northstream 2 and Ukraine stopping transit over its territory, the EU is physically cut off from Russian gas and and has to find alternatives fast.
One adress was Qatar, who can not cover the demand. Another was the US, who can but wants multiple times what Russia demanded. Furthermore, in either case the delivery would happen in liquified form. Which is ecologically problematic to say the least.
Liquidification requires lots of energie and produces a shitload of CO2 emissions. Driving it over by special ships (of which not enough exist) again pumps lots of CO2 out and poisons the oceans because the large ship machines are using the absolute worst for fuel. That stuff then has to get on land, sufficient terminals only existed in Spain, in Germany they had to be built ignoring safety standards, because they were needed asap. The US gas is extracted from shale, as a side effect of shale oil extraction. This process poisons the land and water, leading to tab water being flamable in many parts of the US.
Overall this means rising energy costs in the west, which means less favourable conditions of energy intensive companies. The US solves that way by pulling all restrictions regarding shale oil extraction, digging up Alaska and so on and providing tax incentives for companies moving to the US - in short: They loot their vassal states in Europe.
Europe is fucked. Which, of course, leads to tensions within NATO. Especially as the US wants the euros to shoulder the cost of their occupation now, too. Teh EU countries have already been weakened by austerity and neoliberal politics, now have to pump billions into their militaries. Said money is created via debt on one side, via further cuts on social services on the other, creating internal tensions. Said tensions can be observed by the rise of the far right in every EU country.
Another reason for inter NATO and EU tensions is the fact that the countries in the Eu who did not antagonize Russia, now also are fucked. Because the US and it's ukranian dog blocked direct pipelines.
So put together the situation, the EU got fucked by the US and its own stupidity, Ukraine got fucked by NATO, EU, US and its own stupidity, Russia got away cleanly, the US got away cleanly at the cost of its imperial periphery. Climate Change won big. Humanity lost big.
"To be an enemy of the United States is risky, to be an ally is fatal."
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to prototype_g2 • • •Schmoo
in reply to Dessalines • • •-6-6-6-
in reply to Schmoo • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to Schmoo • • •If you're describing Marxist-Leninists as being interchangeable with "tankies," and MLs are by far the most common form of Marxist and Socialist world-wide, what's the point in denoting the top-left quadrant as "Socialist/Anarchist?" Moreover, Anarchists are not a monolith, many don't support continuing the war.
I think the original is more generous, anti-war-ism is genuinely a relatively positive way of putting it even if critical support for Russia is deemed to be "fully knowledgeable." The original fully acknowledges the principles of never striking first millitarily as a viewpoint with understandable moral basis, while also suggesting that that isn't the complete picture.
Schmoo
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to Schmoo • • •I don't think you're accurately describing the reasons Russia invaded Ukraine, the material reality points more towards Russia wanting to thoroughly demillitarize Ukraine by any means necessary and certify Ukrainian neutrality with NATO, rather than joining it.
As for standing for Socialism and the liberation of the working class, the majority of Marxists believe that the current largest obstacle in that path globally is the US Empire, and US Hegemony. Russia poses less of a threat to Socialism worldwide than the US by virtue of not having nearly the power of the US. I have no doubt that the Russian Federation would be just as exploitative of the Global South if they were in the same position as the US Empire, but they aren't, and instead their path to further profits relies on dethroning the US. This dethroning of the US is also necessary for Socialists, hence critical support insofar as it appears to be working against the US Empire.
Let's consider the opposite viewpoint, though. What happens if Ukraine, against all odds, succeeds in beating back Russia, maintains millitarization, and joins NATO? Russia further weakens, and becomes folded into subjugation under the US Empire. This likely results in opening up of some of Russia's assets to foreign plundering, strengthens NATO (the US Empire's millitary wing, essentially), and thus also weakens the position of the Global South.
What most Marxists support is a quick end to the war, via peace deals. The US continuing the war in order to shackle Ukraine with massive IMF loans and secure ownership of key resources and minerals stands in the way of that, and wishes to prolong the war so they can carve out as much value out of Ukraine as they can. Increasingly, Ukrainians themselves want the war to end, rather than sacrificing themselves for US profits, even if it means Russian victory. There is no actual path to victory for Ukraine without NATO full-on joining in, causing a catastrophic level of death and destruction.
What should a Socialist side with, in this situation? Where is the path to the best possible outcome, in your opinion?
ZkhqrD5o
in reply to Spectre • • •teagrrl
in reply to Spectre • • •silverlose
in reply to Spectre • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to silverlose • • •silverlose
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Why the Palestinian group Hamas launched an attack on Israel? All to know
Al JazeeraCowbee [he/they]
in reply to silverlose • • •silverlose
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to silverlose • • •We can look back on the history of the two nations, and we can look on the history of Israel's genocide of Palestinians. The major difference is that Israel was formed as a genocidal ethnostate on Palestinian land, whereas the invasion of Ukraine seems to be a proxy war for the US to carve out as many IMF loans as possible while Russia tries to thoroughly demillitarize Ukraine.
Why did Palestine strike back against Israel on October 7th? Why did Russia invade Ukraine?
thePicard
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •davel
in reply to thePicard • • •It’s “obvious” only if history began on Feb. 24, 2022.
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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NATO in general:
- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023:
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
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The Maidan coup and fascist paramilitary attacks on eastern & southern Ukraine:
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
Ivan Nechepurenko (The New York Times)thePicard
in reply to davel • • •Ah yes the great nato sob story. Because land barriers matter to a country with nuclear deterrence.
The changes made to appease Russia after the invasion of Georgia in 2008 are missing from your lists there… I guess because it goes against your narrative and exposes this idea as insane.
davel
in reply to thePicard • • •If that were true, then why did the Cuban missile crisis happen? And didn’t the Kursk incursion disprove the theory that nuclear weapons guarantee deterrence? This is as much about NATO placing nuclear weapons to within minutes of Moscow and other major civilian centers and strategic locations as it is about the three times that Russia was invaded via Ukraine in the last two hundred or so years.
October 1962 confrontation between the Soviet Union, Cuba and the United States
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)thePicard
in reply to davel • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to thePicard • • •The nukes sent to Cuba through Operation Anadyr were because
thePicard
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to thePicard • • •No, lmao. The Russian Federation is nowhere near powerful enough for that, nor do they have an actual material nor ideological reason for that. It's pretty clear that the Russian Federation simply hates NATO being on its border, especially Ukraine, and is thus trying to demillitarize Ukraine by any means necessary so that it can no longer consider it a potential threat.
There aren't grand delusions of world conquest, nor is there any evidence of a larger plan. If they wanted World Domination, then they would have expanded beyond Ukraine by now in the Russo-Ukrainian war. They haven't, and instead we are seeing pushes for peace talks now that it looks like such talks will be clearly in Russia's favor. If they wanted global conquest, why stop before taking all of Ukraine? Why Ukraine specifically?
I understand detesting the invasion on moral grounds, but inventing reasons just because they sound more scary doesn't get you any closer to solving the problem and ending the war.
Bloomcole
in reply to thePicard • • •yunxiaoli
in reply to silverlose • • •Hi, welcome to universe A. We have a thing here called temporal causality. The 1940s existed before 2023, therefore, the incident in 2023 cannot be the cause of a war started in the 1940s.
We hope you have a nice stay in this universe, but do be aware that fascist propaganda like you're trying to spread can and will get you killed, as it should.
silverlose
in reply to yunxiaoli • • •yunxiaoli
in reply to silverlose • • •tory
in reply to Spectre • • •Israel has controlled the USG for decades now. We support Israel because they have been intricately and impressively spying on us since at least the 1980s and bought and paid for most of our politicians. It's just that simple, they own our politicians, and therefore: when they do heinous evil, our politicians look away.
Ukraine was invaded by our largest rival on the world stage as a power grab, and NATO decided to help.
The two situations are not comparable in the slightest.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to tory • • •Other way around, the US supports Israel because it secures the US Empire's interests in the region. Israel does not have nearly the power necessary to control the US, this line of thinking fails to analyze the real standings of the two countries. Presumably unintentionally on your part, the "Israel controls the US" narrative is actually pushed heavily by anti-semites, it perpetuates the notion that Jewish people control the world in a manner that recognizes the genocide of Palestinians. This is why correct analysis is important, as false conclusions aid the fascists. Anti-Zionism is correct, as is Palestinian liberation, but the US is not a victim here but is intentionally perpetuating it.
As for NATO and Ukraine, NATO countries are "helping out" not out of any moral reason, but to make hefty profits off of IMF loans and resource/mineral contracts. Additionally, Russia is not the US Empire's largest rival on the world stage, China is. It's true that Russia goes against the US, but it hasn't been a world power since the dissolution of the USSR, when the reintroduction of Capitalism obliterated Russia's economy.
Soolonkivi
in reply to Spectre • • •Bloomcole
in reply to Soolonkivi • • •Soolonkivi
in reply to Bloomcole • • •Bloomcole
in reply to Soolonkivi • • •Soolonkivi
in reply to Bloomcole • • •Bloomcole
in reply to Soolonkivi • • •BoulevardBlvd
in reply to Bloomcole • • •No. Propagandist is.
No one knowing what you're saying is a problem, but that's a you problem. Everyone who reads what you wrote is confused because what you're saying sounds like the ravings of a lunatic. No one knows what you're talking about. We've never heard of these events you're alluding to. So either show proof of them or we're going to write you off as another propaganda shill
But you knew all of this because it's 2025 and no one on lemmy doesn't understand how the Internet works. Which means you're lying for a purpose. You're a propagandist.
Bloomcole
in reply to BoulevardBlvd • • •I don't know who your WE is that doesn't see this but that's probably part of your crappy propaganda outfit.
Anyone with a brain knows what happened and is going on.
The reality is catching up with you and you're embarrassing, nothing more.
Propaganda only goes so far, especially if you're on the wrong side.
So enjoy what is coming, you deserve it fully.
BoulevardBlvd
in reply to Bloomcole • • •Bloomcole
in reply to BoulevardBlvd • • •TF are you talking about even?
You know nothing about the world you live in and are a tool parroting the BS that is fed to you.
Not smart enough to shut up and realise he's out of his depth.
So go away, you people bring nothing to the table, boring and unoriginal.
Invariably throwing personal insults since they know nothing about the subject matter and have only that as a last resort.
Sad little boy.
Reddfugee42
in reply to Bloomcole • • •Bloomcole
in reply to Reddfugee42 • • •Reddfugee42
in reply to Bloomcole • • •Bloomcole
in reply to Reddfugee42 • • •you people are always sooo original.
Besides their viewpoints they also need to parrot the insults for lack of any independent thought
Not much of a challenge
Let me just block you before you kill me with boredom.
Reddfugee42
in reply to Bloomcole • • •m532
in reply to Reddfugee42 • • •Soolonkivi
in reply to Bloomcole • • •So what you meant to say is:
"I think
But I have no sources other than my thoughts to support this view."
Bloomcole
in reply to Soolonkivi • • •They had 600K and a few100k reserves.
Far more than England, France or whoever.
Also the most tanks and everything else except navy.
Even with all the nATO help and training it didn't go too well so they used the Minsk accords to arm even further.
Merkel admitted this, it is clear they never intended to honor it.
Reports from the OCSE show how they continuously broke the ceasefire.
Just before Russia intervened they reported 100's of bombings.
98% on the ukro site.
Maybe learn to look something up, or don't and keep making snooty remarks bcs you don't want to see the truth.
bane_killgrind
in reply to Spectre • • •Violence is always the answer. The questions are simple:
How do we gain a political advantage? How do we gain an economic advantage? How do we gain a social advantage?
Anyone that says violence is not the answer doesn't understand the tools that marginalize them and the people they care about.
Rumo161
in reply to Spectre • • •