Israel Invades Jenin Days After Signing Gaza “Ceasefire”
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/25049986
Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Mariam Barghouti
Jan 21, 2025from Drop Site News
[you may get a request to sign up for free subscription]"Israel launched a major military operation on Jenin in the occupied West Bank on Tuesday, raiding the city with troops, military vehicles, and bulldozers backed by airstrikes, drones, and Apache helicopters. At least nine Palestinians have been killed and more than 40 wounded in the ongoing operation, according to the Ramallah-based Palestinian health ministry, which Israel has dubbed “Operation Iron Wall.”"
Israel Invades Jenin Days After Signing Gaza “Ceasefire”
Israeli leaders suggest the operation was plotted during a backroom deal made during Gaza ceasefire voteSharif Abdel Kouddous (Drop Site News)
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in reply to Shezzagrad • • •Nope, I remove misinformed comments and temp ban repeat violators.
You are correct, Israel is engaging in Genocide, Biden was not. His opinions on Israel were naive and outdated, but not genocidal.
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •Nope, I fully acknowledge the genocides being commited, but in order to do that, you have to blame the correct parties.
See my post here:
lemmy.world/post/24563168
Blaming the wrong people won't end the genocide.
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •My position on the Israeli genocide has been 100% clear from the start:
lemmy.world/comment/14643153
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in reply to jordanlund • • •"Naive and outdated" that's one way to describe sending $30B in arms to a genocide. Others would call it "complicity in genocide". Like, experts in international law.
Been on lemmy.world for the last month or so you guys, I fucking hate it. Arguing with "we had to vote for Harris"ers until some vigilante mod decides my angry response to their support for genocide isn't "civil" enough.
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in reply to dx1 • • •Experts in international law, the ICC, correctly blame Israel, not Biden.
icc-cpi.int/news/situation-sta…
The reason I say "naive" is that Biden persists in this mentality that Israel is just some poor victim surrounded by hostile Arab states and Israel hasn't been a legit victim since... what? The 1972 Olympics?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich…
If you look at what Israel has been doing to Gaza since the 90s, it's a slow motion version of the ghettoization of the Jews in Nazi Germany.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocka…
2000 ongoing blockade of the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •No, I'm commited to blaming the people actually committing genocide:
lemmy.world/comment/14643153
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in reply to jordanlund • • •Lol, what absolute nonsense; the US isn't some naive UWU smol bean full of good will that Israel is abusing; that's completely fucking absurd.
You're a genocide apologist, fuck off. You might as well say that the guards at Auschwitz were manipulating poor naive Hitler and the blood is only on their hands, no one else.
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in reply to jordanlund • • •The link you put does not excuse Biden. Why lie?
Meanwhile, back in reality:
amnestyusa.org/press-releases/…
ccrjustice.org/home/press-cent…
Please study the Nakba, you're not just embarrassing yourself but whitewashing a history of genocide.
Rights Lawyers Release Legal Analysis of U.S. Complicity in Israel’s Unfolding Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza
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in reply to dx1 • • •“I took the White House’s rhetoric at its word and found it to be naïve, and therefore the United States is not complicit in genocide.”
Are you still removing comments refuting Western disinformation about Xinjiang for being “genocide denial”?
It’s never to late to develop real media literacy or to understand how the US incessantly prosecutes regime change operations globally, but I’m not holding my breath.
The blueprint of regime change operations
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in reply to dx1 • • •Show me where the ICC charged Biden the way they did Netanyahu or Putin, it's cool. I can wait.
In fact, show me which of the 5 definitions of Genocide Biden meets under article II of the UN charter.
Pro tip - You can't, because they didn't.
I'm all for blaming Israel for the Genocide, they are 100% doing it and will not stop unless someone invades and makes them stop.
That doesn't mean Biden was doing it.
dx1
in reply to jordanlund • • •The absence of legal proceedings against someone for a crime does not mean they didn't commit the crime. Are you serious?
Another red flag, you're confusing the UN Charter with the UN Genocide Convention, which is what has an "Article II" that defines genocide. Imagine making these kinds of mistakes and posting publicly with the kind of confidence you have. What a dick.
Re: the UN Genocide Convention (not the UN Charter), if you bothered to read Article THREE, it outlines conspiracy to commit genocide as a crime independent of genocide itself, as well as direct and public incitement to commit genocide, and complicity in genocide. By any sane metric he's guilty of multiple of these - even if we ignore the diplomatic, logistical, military, and economic support Biden gave to "Israel" for its genocide, he is also guilty of spreading genocidal incitement propaganda, namely atrocity propaganda about Oct. 7 meant to dehumanize Palestinians.
The ICC, by the way, does not enforce the UN Genocide Convention - rather, the ICJ, a different body, would issue a ruling, if a lawsuit was brought against a state party by another state party, and the UN Security Council - which the US has veto power over - would decide on any enforcement of that ruling.
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in reply to dx1 • • •No, I'm saying when the ICC went to lay blame, they correctly blamed Israel, NOT Biden.
They had every opportunity to charge Biden. Clearly they aren't shy about charging major players after charging Putin.
They correctly blame Netanyahu. At no point has Biden ever said "Sure, please, kill as many Palestinians as you want" because that was never the purpose of the aid sent to Israel.
It's all cited in the thread. Biden supports the defense of Israel, not their offensive actions. The genocide is not defense.
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in reply to jordanlund • • •The ICJ’s Provisional Orders Measures and the Responsibility of Third States
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in reply to jordanlund • • •“I took the White House’s rhetoric at its word and found it to be naïve, and therefore the United States is not complicit in genocide.”
Are you still removing comments refuting Western disinformation about Xinjiang for being “genocide denial”?
It’s never to late to develop real media literacy or to understand how the US incessantly prosecutes regime change operations globally, but I’m not holding my breath.
The blueprint of regime change operations
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in reply to davel • • •Same challenge I gave the other guy:
Show me where the ICC charged Biden the way they did Netanyahu or Putin, it's cool. I can wait.
In fact, show me which of the 5 definitions of Genocide Biden meets under article II of the UN charter.
Pro tip - You can't, because they didn't.
I'm all for blaming Israel for the Genocide, they are 100% doing it and will not stop unless someone invades and makes them stop.
That doesn't mean Biden was doing it.
davel
in reply to jordanlund • • •I see, you’re speaking of genocide only in strictly a legal terms, as if that is the only meaning of the term “genocide.” Got it, Slippin’ Jimmy.
This is precisely why the US’s rhetoric is the way it is, because if they were honest about their mens rea then they would be legally complicit. The US pretends to be naïve to provide legal & rhetorical cover for itself.
Whether you are naïve, or only pretending to be, is an exercise for the reader.
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in reply to davel • • •Legal terms are the only terms that are factual and avoid what people feel about the issue.
Was Biden charged with war crimes the way Netanyahu was? No? Were US forces pulling the triggers? No? Not our dance. Blame the appropriate parties if you want to see something happen.
Further... and I said this in the run up to the election, Israel doesn't need our help to commit genocide. Sniper bullets are cheap and depending on who's counting, Israel is between the #8 and #10 arms supplier in the world.
All aid could be cut off today and the genocide would continue, because it's Israel doing it.
The US is not doing this, Israel is:
theguardian.com/world/2024/apr…
dci-palestine.org/israeli_forc…
Even after the cease fire...
truthout.org/articles/israeli-…
Israeli Sniper Killed Child in Gaza 1 Day After Ceasefire Went Into Effect
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in reply to jordanlund • • •Pure ideology. What a joke. The institutions of the state do not exist as divine arbiter of truth.
Biden is a genocider because he did everything in his power to provide arms to a state engaged in genocide. Given the level of dependence the idf has on us arms, if Biden made the decision to stop arming Israel, the genocide in Palestine couldn't have been sustained for more than a few weeks at best.
It is just blatantly counterfactual to state that Israel has the military means to continue the genocide without us military aid.
Some stats on us-israel military cooperation
Israel not only received 22 billion* dollars in aid (the second biggest military spender china spends 140 billion per year ), but also buys almost all it's military equipment from the us. Israel's airforce for instance is fitted with us produced planes.
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How the US made Israel's military what it is today
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in reply to jordanlund • • •The USA says they will kill everyone who works at the ICC if they charge Biden. I imagine you're no fan of the ISIL caliph, but you wouldn't tell him to his face. Biden laps his kill-count during his morning coffee.
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U.S.: 'Hague Invasion Act' Becomes Law
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in reply to jordanlund • • •So do you apply this standard consistently? Do you ban anybody who accuses China of genocide, for example?
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •No, the ICC has no authority in China as they aren't a member state, for them use you Article II of the UN Genocide convention, for which they meet the definition quite aptly:
worldwithoutgenocide.org/genoc…
"Article II of the convention defines genocide as ANY of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group. ✅
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. ✅
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. ✅
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. ✅
(e) Forcibly transferring children of one group to another group." ✅
This doesn't apply to Biden and Gaza as it's ISRAEL committing acts A-E, not the United States.
United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide « World Without Genocide - Making It Our Legacy
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in reply to jordanlund • • •The USA ALSO ISN'T A MEMBER STATE you hypocritical fucking dipshit. No fucking surprise that there comes the post-hoc modifications to your bullshit criteria.
And guess what, the USA also meets that criteria (well I shouldn't say 'also', because China does not), but I'm sure you'll just change your standard against to keep defending your genociders of choice
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •Correct, the ICC has jurisdiction over crimes committed in member states, so when Israel commits war crimes in the State of Palestine, they get charged. Similarly when Russia commits war crimes in Ukraine, they also get charged.
icc-cpi.int/palestine
icc-cpi.int/situations/ukraine
However if Putin commits atrocities in Russia, the ICC has no jurisdiction. Same for China.
BrainInABox
in reply to jordanlund • • •Ah OK, you're just willingly being disingenuous to defend genocides.
Know this, as someone who has lost family is Gaza to your beloved Biden's genocide, I find you infinity more loathsome than the outright fascists in your and Israels governments. At least they're honest and outright, they don't commit this repulsive linguistic gymnastics, torturing logic, language, and law in the most absurd ways to pretend you don't believe what you believe. You are the lowest kind of scum on Earth, and not only should your death go unmourned, it should be actively celebrated. I pray that one day your home and neighborhood looks like Gaza, and that you and people like you are reduced to corpses rotting in the rubble. And if that happens, I'll make sure to say of the people responsible: "they didn't do anything wrong, they were just uwu smol beans who meant well!"
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in reply to jordanlund • • •(a) Show me the Uyghur bodies
(b) Show me the serious bodily or mental harm
(c) Show me the conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part
(d) Show me the measures intended to prevent births within the group
(e) Show me the forcible transfer of children from one group to another group
All you have are a couple of photos of prisons, which proves nothing, and some garbage testimonies that we’ve debunked a thousand fucking times already.
If the terrorism that the CIA-backed religious extremists brought down on Xinjiang happened in America, the US government would have come down on them a thousand times worse than how China handled them. This is obvious by simply looking at how the US handled 9/11, or by looking at US incarceration rates compared to China, or any other country in the world for that matter.
This was a failed attempt by the US government to balkanize/peel off Western China, and now the US is trying to make lemonade out of their lemon by accusing China of genocide.
No one seems to be interested in your Council on Foreign Relations hasbara.
World Incarceration Rates If Every U.S. State Were A Country
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