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A tale of two online spaces.

One: by the people for the people, with chronological feeds.

The other: funded by crypto bros and with pick-your-algorithm feeds.

I shared the exact same content.

Genuine interactions in the first place.

A grand total of ZERO reactions in the other - even if I have real life friends and contacts there.

Is the second place hiding my posts to 1100+ followers? It feels like I'm screaming into the void.

Guess which place I like best & which one I plan to abandon?

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in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

This is my experience as well. Mastodon has far more people interacting with posts than either Bluesky or Threads combined!

I cross-post a lot via Fedica, and the amount of interactions I get on either of the two tech-bro platforms are nearly non-existant compared to here 😁

Not to say Mastodon doesn't have issues - one glaring one is .social starting to centralise Mastodon on 1 server due to it's sheer size, and the refusal of the gmbh to vary the sign-up server on joinmastodon.com.

in reply to Sar

Currently around 30% of the entire population of the fediverse is on one single server, which is a problem now and will become even more of a problem as time goes on.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

No need to guess Elena… we know.
But perhaps the federated revolution will take a little more time to unseat the #TechBros dominant position…
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mastodon - Collegamento all'originale
Sar

Yep, precisely. I'll carry on posting to Bsky & threads as it's no different to just posting here when using fedica, but 99% of my time spent posting replies, or boosting posts is done now on Mastodon.

And I'm quite happy about that, because Mastodon, despite its issues, is the vastly superior platform of the three 😀

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mastodon - Collegamento all'originale
Sar

Yep, that's another massive plus in the Mastodon column for me - self-hosting.

I don't host my own instance, but I *love* the fact that the option is there should I ever want/need it.

I just worry that over time .social is going to get over 50% of that total figure, at which point the Fediverse effectively isn't decentralised, it'll be largely centralised with satellite instances, and be too large to de-federate from, compounding the issue further.

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

contrarian here, but I really like Bluesky and get substantial interaction there as well as find far more content that is of interest.
I love the community on Mastodon, but it’s much more niche and I also prefer the format on Bluesky. Then again, I loved Twitter and built a huge part of my network in Spain via that platform back in the day (I am not on it now).
Also, I do chronological feed on every platform that has it enabled.
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cwicseolfor
@tanavit Yep, I think corp socials are starting to feel the threat. I very rarely post on Facebook and only log on once in many months, mostly to verify there’s no impersonation happening, but because of that I usually get quite a lot of activity on those rare posts… until I used one to encourage people to check out the fediverse. Suddenly it was crickets.
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mastodon - Collegamento all'originale
Kat O’Brien
that’s interesting, Elena. Do they seem to be using Bluesky a lot or maybe they aren’t active so aren’t seeing your posts? Could you ask a couple of them if they do chronological or algorithmic?
I share tooooons of links to external sites on it, so my experience doesn’t indicate throttling of links but obviously it’s anecdotal.
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Kat O’Brien
@liaizon @stefan that is interesting. Most of what I post about/interact with is related to the U.S. crashing out of democracy, sometimes journalism or news or Spain or NYC or my home state of Iowa or an event I went to/am organizing. With a little bit of personal like running or pretty pictures.
I’ve got ~2.5K followers but prob more influential is that a decent minority of those have large followings and frequently interact with my posts.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I dont post that much as for finding content like both chronological and custom feeds and wish fedi services had them built in.

I like the argument that corporate feeds are like an addictive poisonous drink & chronological is like drinking water. Drinking water alone is the healthiest option but sometimes you want something else and that where custom feeds come in

I got that argument from this fedihost video: video.fedihost.co/w/kVoS82WGtn…


We Have An Algorithm Problem


The Fediverse has a different problem with algorithms: They're not very good.

Interviews:
Dawn Walker: @dawn@cosocial.ca
Julian Lam: @julian@community.nodebb.org
Anuj Ahooja: @quillmatiq@mastodon.social
Johannes Ernst: @j12t@j12t.social
Daniel Supernault: @dansup@mastodon.social


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Mr. V
@obrien_kat this is exactly the point. We don't know and will never know why, because the algo is a black box that we don't control, by design.
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hypothesis for part of the X and/or BS algorithms:
if( post.contains("federate", MatchOptions.IncludeInflectedForms)){ post.shadowMute(); }
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mastodon - Collegamento all'originale
Stefan Bohacek

@obrien_kat @angel Yes, plus there is also the challenge of being on a smaller server. If you care about reach on social media, you might be better off moving to a larger server, like mastodon.social.

Still, this is often about luck. In the past, I'd submit a project to Reddit or Hacker News, got no traction. Then months later someone else would, and that would get people talking.

Similarly, I'd think an account like @dedication_bot would be more popular than @roots. You just never know what people will find interesting, and unless you want to dedicate yourself 100% to playing the social media game, you're better off learning not to worry too much.

@_elena @liaizon

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Kat O’Brien
@angel @stefan thanks for sharing your experience. I believe a lot depends on what type of content one shares and its subject matter, which platforms get most engagement. I also think - with greater or smaller impact depending on platform - having some prominent accounts that interact with you can be influential.
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Ángel

on the other hand, and from my personal experience, I find the lack of interaction in the Fediverse appaling. I have [let me see...] 134 followers, which is much more that what I've had in any of the privative social networks (back when I had accounts there), and I usually have less than 10 likes or boosts with my best received posts. Most of the time is 0 interactions. I've just opened an Instagram account last month (because, well, I write fiction, and I was fed up of meeting people in writer gatherings asking me "what is your Insta Id" and telling them that I have none) and, with an order of magnitude less followers and much less posts, I get as much interactions.

Of course, there is the possibility that what I write here is not interesting, at least for those listening.

CC: @obrien_kat@mastodon.world @liaizon@wake.st @stefan@stefanbohacek.online