Signal is not decentralized. Do it right this time, go to a truly decentralized messenger, like Matrix. With Matrix you can set up your own instance, and all these instances work beautifully together. Don’t like “your” instance or the country where its server is placed? Then you just take another host. Signal is centralized and vulnerable for the same things as Whatsapp. Government can compromise it because there is just a single host, and eventually the whole thing can fall into the wrong hands. You can compare Matrix with the fediverse. Nobody owns it, everybody can set up an instance, and everybody can write an app for it.
is there a simplified implementation of #matrix that could feel almost identical to #signal? maybe follow the: > WordPress dot com > WordPress dot org model where we help people move to something easier but better than signal first instead of asking so much from them. maybe the way to think of it is mastodon dot social and their app before trying other fedi options.
@wjmaggos with the new authentication service in place i would say this is done. together with elementX i would say its easy as others and fast like the unencrypted one i deleted years ago ;)
Element X brings you both sovereign & seamless collaboration built on Matrix.
The collaboration capabilities include chat & video calls with the modern set of features such as:
• public & private channels
• room moderation & access control
• replie…
Not sure how people are not getting it, after all these years. If they CAN COLLECT the data, they WILL, and they will GIVE IT AWAY.
Signal is a centralised service, with the ability to collect data on phone numbers, who talks with who, how much, and when. It's no more secure than WhatsApp, it only has somewhat better branding (right now).
@andymouse I mean, the US government has sued, many many *many* times, to try to get all of the info Signal has on someone and they...just don't have it (if you don't believe them, try lying in response to a suit by the USG and see how well it goes).
Like, this isn't theoretical - it's been tested tons and tons of times by the US and other governments without any real success - Signal just doesn't collect info.
@andymouse Signal publishes the legal requests they get from governments as well as their responses (example: signal.org/bigbrother/santa-cl…). They collect none of the information you claim. They have spent a great deal of time making sure they don't like designing signal.org/blog/private-contac….
There are things you can criticise Signal about but collecting your personal data is not one of them.
Because everything in Signal is end-to-end encrypted by default, the broad set of personal information that is typically easy to retrieve in other apps simply doesn’t exist on Signal’s servers.
There’s also Matrix and XMPP. Honestly Signal isn’t my favorite because it requires a smartphone. I don’t think any chat protocol should require a specific type of computer.
Walled garden apps which work only with a single service provider that can be owned by anybody, even some well-intended foundation, should not be recommended or used.
Instant messaging providers and apps should be federated and compatible with existing internet standards such as #XMPP for interoperability.
I ditched Whatsapp many years ago. Maybe even before it was bought by Meta. I was peer pressured to install it (at the times that it was totally unencrypted). I never liked using Whatsapp.
When the #opensource #SignalApp (#TextSecure at the time) became available I moved to Signal. Nearly all my contacts installed it as well.
What I not do like about Signal is its centralized approach. Slowly using more #matrix nowadays.
I have at least 150+ Signal contacts. Deleting WhatsApp resulted in many of my contacts installing Signal when they want to contact me. If I contact someone without Signal, I use SMS. After a few messages being exchanged, I send a Signal invite.
Frans Veldman
in reply to Kees van der Leun • • •Signal is not decentralized. Do it right this time, go to a truly decentralized messenger, like Matrix. With Matrix you can set up your own instance, and all these instances work beautifully together. Don’t like “your” instance or the country where its server is placed? Then you just take another host. Signal is centralized and vulnerable for the same things as Whatsapp. Government can compromise it because there is just a single host, and eventually the whole thing can fall into the wrong hands. You can compare Matrix with the fediverse. Nobody owns it, everybody can set up an instance, and everybody can write an app for it.
Let’s do it right this time.
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in reply to Kees van der Leun • • •william.maggos
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in reply to william.maggos • • •ralf tauscher
in reply to ralf tauscher • • •Rémi du Nord
in reply to william.maggos • • •william.maggos
in reply to Rémi du Nord • • •I tried it. Preferring #ElementX rn.
z3r0 ~ ❯❯❯
in reply to ralf tauscher • • •ralf tauscher
in reply to z3r0 ~ ❯❯❯ • • •@z3r0 yes, or #deltachat its all together a strong signal that:
"We have a choice." ;)
Eugenus Optimus 🇺🇦
in reply to ralf tauscher • • •@stereo I noticed that there no active accounts and discussions about Element / Matrix in mastodon fediverse.
Is there are any reason for this?
ralf tauscher
in reply to Eugenus Optimus 🇺🇦 • • •accidentally enabled a filter?
there is @josh 👋 and @thibaultamartin 👋 for example. i haven't created a list, but there are a lot of active accounts.
and you can meet everyone at the next #fosdem ;)
Eugenus Optimus 🇺🇦
in reply to ralf tauscher • • •@stereo @josh @thibaultamartin
meh) seems mastodon search is not perfect yet
Thank you
charlybrown
in reply to ralf tauscher • • •ralf tauscher
in reply to charlybrown • • •Element X - Secure Chat & Call
App Storestux⚡
in reply to Kees van der Leun • • •Andy Mouse
in reply to Kees van der Leun • • •Ugh not Signal AGAIN.
Not sure how people are not getting it, after all these years. If they CAN COLLECT the data, they WILL, and they will GIVE IT AWAY.
Signal is a centralised service, with the ability to collect data on phone numbers, who talks with who, how much, and when. It's no more secure than WhatsApp, it only has somewhat better branding (right now).
ಚಿರಾಗ್ 🌹✊🏾Ⓥ🌱🇵🇸 (he/him)
in reply to Andy Mouse • • •@andymouse I mean, the US government has sued, many many *many* times, to try to get all of the info Signal has on someone and they...just don't have it (if you don't believe them, try lying in response to a suit by the USG and see how well it goes).
Like, this isn't theoretical - it's been tested tons and tons of times by the US and other governments without any real success - Signal just doesn't collect info.
It's not just branding.
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in reply to Andy Mouse • • •@andymouse Signal publishes the legal requests they get from governments as well as their responses (example: signal.org/bigbrother/santa-cl…). They collect none of the information you claim. They have spent a great deal of time making sure they don't like designing signal.org/blog/private-contac….
There are things you can criticise Signal about but collecting your personal data is not one of them.
Search warrants for Signal user data, Santa Clara County
Signal MessengerKiff
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in reply to Kees van der Leun • • •Snaill Shell
in reply to Kees van der Leun • • •uexo
in reply to Kees van der Leun • • •Walled garden apps which work only with a single service provider that can be owned by anybody, even some well-intended foundation, should not be recommended or used.
Instant messaging providers and apps should be federated and compatible with existing internet standards such as #XMPP for interoperability.
Jan Vlug
in reply to Kees van der Leun • • •I ditched Whatsapp many years ago. Maybe even before it was bought by Meta. I was peer pressured to install it (at the times that it was totally unencrypted). I never liked using Whatsapp.
When the #opensource #SignalApp (#TextSecure at the time) became available I moved to Signal. Nearly all my contacts installed it as well.
What I not do like about Signal is its centralized approach. Slowly using more #matrix nowadays.
community.signalusers.org/t/fi…
#FOSS
Finally! 100 users on Signal app (Android)
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