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in reply to kinther

Statistically it is very unlikely this would happen given the votes for other Democrats down ticket. It would be like betting on an old horse to win a race and somehow winning.
in reply to kinther

Other irregularities are down ballot Dwmocrat votes. That somehow selected trump he presidents. Such a statistically improbable result
in reply to kinther

Also from a technical and logistics perspective, Russia already hacked into a variety of polling stations over the last few years and did seemingly nothing but gather information and plan. Technically this isn't hard or even expensive.
in reply to kinther

I wonder if this is Musks "you wouldnt have won the election without me" quote.
in reply to TropicalDingdong

Trump said months before the election that he's got it covered and he isn't worried about it. Why would that be? He told us what he was doing at the time, his people were rigging it.
in reply to pelespirit

I also strongly believe in their use of projecting as a preemptive defensive strategy.

They say "you cheated you cheated you cheated!" so we reply "you're nuts there's no evidence, it's all a conspiracy theory" so then they can cheat later on and turn it around on you when you go to investigate. "Oh now it's true because you lost? Yeah yeah yeah..."

They're always playing psychological warfare with the population... 🙁

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in reply to Asafum

They’re always playing psychological warfare with the population… 🙁


Why can't we do psychological warfare on them? I thought they were so much dumber than us.

in reply to in4apenny

They already believe it's happening to them which is why they refuse to listen to any source of information that isn't from their preferred brand.

There are plenty of intelligent MAGA that just have an innate bias that they want to have confimed so they allow themselves to be convinced by mis/disinformation. To admit you were wrong, or to accept that you misunderstood actually creates a "pain" type response that people are very adverse to, there are also the types that have so entrenched themselves in their political beliefs that it becomes their identity. This form of physiological warfare I mentioned is just one way of allowing these people to maintain their identity and to give them a "valid" defense against inconvenient information.

Over time a person can be chipped away at, but if you always give them an answer then they never have to suffer the thought that they were ever wrong about anything so they can remain on "your side."

in reply to pelespirit

A strongmen is elected for seeming strong. Of course he will say beforehand that he is certain that he will win. Saying anything else would harm is brand and make less people vote for him. Trump claiming to be successful at anything and everything also isn't something new for him. He did that his entire (adult) life.

This is evidence for Trump being a narcissist and liar, but with the amount of lies, delusional and nonsensical claims he makes, this can be hardly taken as evidence for election fraud.

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in reply to pelespirit

And even:

Yes, Trump said Musk knows vote-counting computers 'better than anybody'

He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide.

— trump, on stage at a victory rally in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 19, 2025


The idiot can’t keep his mouth shut and basically blabbed exactly what they were doing, yet nobody really listened.

It will never cease to astound me.

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in reply to TropicalDingdong

It definitively is, he similar to trump dies not have a filter. He just counts on things being ambiguous enough that won't affect him.
in reply to takeda

You might wanna call a hospital, pretty sure you were in the middle of a stroke when writing that.
in reply to kinther

Oops forgot to make the lie a little more believable.
in reply to kryptonianCodeMonkey

They fully believed nobody would call them on it, partly because of the path they’d laid with the media. And they were right.
in reply to kinther

I will point out that this cannot change the result of the presidential election, since Trump didn't win the state in question anyway.
in reply to Armok_the_bunny

The point is that it all needs to be looked at and reverified
in reply to Armok_the_bunny

It depends on who did the cheating and how prolific it is in other states and counties.
in reply to Armok_the_bunny

It might open an investigation into other places.
in reply to LillyPip

Or Michigan and Wisconsin where the machines are easily audited
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in reply to redsand

Casual dismissal of statistically relevant recount and largest recount ever in Wisconsin, even including compared to 2020.

Local elections officials in 336 randomly selected municipalities across the state hand-counted 327,230 ballots as part of the 2024 audit. That is nearly 10% of all Wisconsin ballots cast in the 2024 election and the largest post-election audit ever undertaken in the state.

The only errors found during the audit were made by people, not the vote-counting machines. And only five human errors were detected, resulting in an error rate of just 0.0000009%, according to the report.

in reply to xyzzy

Yes. I read that. I'm also familiar with the voting village at defcon. They had years to plan and do recon. Half measures don't cut it.
in reply to Armok_the_bunny

I will point out that if they did it in a state they weren't going to win and that would be too suspicious for them to actually win in the first place, why wouldn't they replicate it in a state they actually needed and on which his election actually hinged? Just means New York was a control/test case
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in reply to Armok_the_bunny

Frankly after election there are two things that bugged me in California. There was a proposition that removed mandatory work requirement for inmates comparing it to a modern day slavery. There was no one who was willing to endorse vote against it (I suppose due to optics) yet the proposition failed.

When he visited CA after fires were already put down and made that spectacle with water dam, he also mentioned that he had a good feeling about next election.

I have a feeling that maybe CA voting is also compromised and this was a test for California, as trump winning here would be extremely suspicious, but no one will care about this proposition.

in reply to takeda

That one isn't suspicious to me. US public opinion has always had very little regard for anyone who's incarcerated. Hence, once the system gets ahold of you, you're fucked whether you're guilty or not (unless you're wealthy).
in reply to kinther

If a result like this was found in a swing state, I'd be sure it was malicious. In New York, that seems improbable. Someone clever enough to conduct the attack is unlikely to be stupid enough to employ it in a way that creates an obvious anomaly without changing the result.
in reply to Zak

When exploiting a vulnerability you don't always have precise control over what you are doing.
in reply to Zak

From what I understand about the issue that I read about in a different article it was about software changes made to a program that many states use, PA was one of them.

I think NY is the only place where it is currently being investigated, but if it happened here I don't doubt it happened elsewhere.

in reply to kinther

our election was, literally, stolen. Trump and his fascists have spent years calling his loss to Biden “stolen” which ultimately harmed any real attempts at calling out future election results. many statisticians are sounding the alarm bells—something is wrong. the data doesn’t lie and the voting heavily implies manipulation. there is a group investigating our election results and making their findings public. they are very concerned with what they are uncovering.
in reply to kinther

Genuinely curious why time is being wasted on this?
Is there any other evidence that suggests a good reason for even trying?
in reply to tisktisk

Look for example at Ramapo 58 district:

app.enhancedvoting.com/results…

Harris only got a single vote in a district that historically votes for Democrats. What are the odds. But maybe Democrats just lost popularity.

But then look at Senate

app.enhancedvoting.com/results…

Now democratic candidate wins by 94.12% what are the odds?

And this is not a single district, there are many others like that.

in reply to takeda

odds and probability are unimportant to me. I'm only concerned with the reasons these investigations are continuing. What does justice look like in best and worst case scenarios?
in reply to tisktisk

Honestly? More scrutiny on the next votes would be a win.
in reply to Tolookah

win for whom? Democracy? For the people? For the future generations or just the wealthy?
in reply to kinther

In Volusia County, Florida during the 2000 election Al Gore received negative votes, and I'm sure we all remember how that turned out because everyone on this site is old as fuck so let's temper our excitement this time around.
in reply to kinther

Some algorithm probably takes votes away from a canadiate but you can't have negative votes. Someone forgot to insert the threshold killing the program.

Sounds musky.

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in reply to kinther

Let's just say there was fraud, and Kamala did actually win:

Now what? This administration has been blatantly breaking the law, ignoring the constitution and court orders since day fucking 1 without consequence. Will someone with authority finally grow some fucking nuts and arrest the felon(s) over this, even though they could and should have already for numerous other reasons?

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in reply to 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮

It really leads to the question of does winning an election make you the president or is having the power transferred to you all it takes?

I should ask Gerald Ford.

in reply to SatansMaggotyCumFart

Winning a majority of the electorial votes is what's required to be elected president. There is no federal requirement that the electors of the electorial college vote in accordance with the popular vote of the state they represent. If enough fraud is proven that Harris should have ~~one~~ won it doesn't change the outcome of the electorial vote. According to the laws as they currently are Trump would still be president.
in reply to kinther

I do believe people were calling me alarmist for noticing strange patterns.

Like winning all 7 swing states? Your fucking kidding me right?

in reply to peoplebeproblems

Considering how much of a strangle the right has over most media, I didn't consider it surprising. I wouldn't be surprised if it was rigged though.
in reply to peoplebeproblems

If Trump had been blowing people out like Reagan did Mondale, ok, but the races were close.
in reply to peoplebeproblems

Also not surprising that investigations weren’t pushed harder after election and before new administration. Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election. Did they? No. Surprised? Not at all.

Transitions shouldn’t necessarily be smooth if an election was potentially fraudulent — peaceful, yes.

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in reply to santa

Don't EVER mention that piece of shit quisling coward Merrick Garland without also cursing him ever again.
in reply to santa

Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election.


For that matter, Obama should have conducted an investigation into the 2016 election when he still had the power to do so.

in reply to kinther

how the fuck is this "result" just now coming to light?

not that it'll amount to anything

in reply to solsangraal

Analysis takes a long time especially if you want it to be able to withstand scrutiny
in reply to kinther

Why didn't the democrats demand hand recounts when the election was initially called? It felt like they all just rolled over and accepted defeat.
in reply to jjjalljs

No fuckin idea. Didn't make sense then, either. We were so afraid to look like the crazy MAGAs. Their tactic worked.
in reply to Lukas Murch

"Accuse your enemy of what you intend to do"

Not actually a quite from Goebbels or Marx, but the Republican guiding principle nonetheless.

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in reply to DragonTypeWyvern

Accuse your enemy of what you intend to do


It's ironic that Hitler's "Night of the Long Knives" (when the Nazis arrested and eventually murdered numerous brownshirts and their leader, Ernst Roehm) acquired that name because Hitler himself used the expression in a speech that he gave immediately after the event. In the speech, he accused Roehm of having been planning a "NIght of the Long Knives" himself, directed at Hitler and the other Nazi leaders. Quite unintentionally, the phrase came to describe Hitler's actions.

in reply to goferking (he/him)

That was the acceleration point of the downward slide we'd been on since Reagan.
in reply to goferking (he/him)

They didn't give up. The supreme Court decided Bush won Florida, without a recount.
in reply to 13igTyme

Gore then conceded without continuing to fight, to help the county heal. Because actual fighting to win would be bad
in reply to goferking (he/him)

Yes, but then he un-conceded. How do you think it got to the Supreme Court unless he fought?

He brought it to the Florida circuit court, and when he lost he appealed to the Florida Supreme Court, who ruled in his favor. Then Bush appealed to the US Supreme Court.

The problem was a coordinated effort to steal the election by the bitch queen Katherine Harris, Florida Secretary of State and Bush's Florida campaign co-chair, a fake riot by Republican operatives to disrupt a recount, and a collaborating Supreme Court. It was all tied up nicely in a bow and there wasn't much Gore could have done, although he should have requested a statewide recount right from the start instead of just cherry picking solidly Democratic-leaning counties like Miami-Dade.

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in reply to goferking (he/him)

He initially called Bush to concede and then called him back to un-concede, which really pissed off Bush. That's what I was referring to. It wasn't public, though.
in reply to 13igTyme

As Trump has shown us quite clearly, it doesn't really matter what the Supreme Court says.
in reply to jjjalljs

because that’s what the left does unless it’s against their own. it’s infuriating to watch the party fight itself harder than it’ll fight the opposition
in reply to Veedems

To be clear, the DNC is fighting against its constituents. This is Washington politicians and funders vs. the people. Sad to say, Washington is winning.
in reply to jjjalljs

Because they were following their billionaire overlord's orders? Because they are controlled opposition?
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in reply to jjjalljs

Others clearly have their pitch forks ready to go but the real reason here is because they won NY. I'd be shocked if any presidential candidate in the history of the US demanded a recount in a state they won.

Is 0 votes suspicious? Absolutely. Is the recount process the right way to uncover something happening at a scale to compromise an entire district's election process? Probably not.

According to Balletpedia, it's unclear who in NY even pays for a voluntary recount (NY has mandatory recounts in close elections).

However suspicious this district is, it's not justification for a recount in another district in a completely different state.

If there is interference at a meaningful scale, it's not going to be uncovered by volunteers working without sleep to deliver election results as quickly as humanly possible. The wheels of justice turn far top slowly.

A lawsuit is a good first step.

in reply to jjjalljs

Because they didn't want to be perceived as doing the same thing as the Republicans after the 2020 election. After complaining about the Republicans not having a "peaceful transfer of power," Dems thought it was important to demonstrate how that works, and be smug about it.

Unfortunately, this was precisely the wrong election to make that point, since this election truly was rat fucked by MAGA.

in reply to barneypiccolo

I've thought about that. But that seems like a terrible strategy, because it lets the Republicans do anything. The Republicans do a bad thing, or accuse you of doing a bad thing, and now you're incapable of responding to it?
in reply to jjjalljs

But that seems like a terrible strategy...


I mean.... we are talking about the Democrats. That's almost their motto.

in reply to piefood

Yes, it's a terrible strategy, but it's the easiest one to default to if you are a cowardly spineless weenie Democrat who is afraid to confront serious treason and corruption, like Chuck Schumer. Traditional Dems are satisfied with losing, as long as they can feel smug about being morally superior while doing it, even if it means watching the Reps systematically dismantle America on behalf of the Russians.

We need elected representatives at every level who aren't afraid to go to battle to defend our country from treasonous criminals and Sociopathic Oligarchs.

in reply to kinther

I always had a feeling that the election was a bit too quickly decided. I’ve said before that in the coming months and years after the 2024 election we would find out something fishy was happening.
in reply to wanderwisley

That’s honestly what got me too. Like it took a week for them to get all of the results from 2020, and sure, that could’ve been all the mail in ballots, but then you have Rogan saying elongated muskrat had called the election the night OF voting?

I don’t know man. I’ve seen a few elections now and don’t remember that happening.

in reply to LucidNightmare

Agreed it’s very fishy I don’t wanna sound like a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist but if it quacks like a duck then it’s a duck.
in reply to wanderwisley

If you have a few hours to kill, this podcast had the guy from election truth alliance on. It is the most tolerable of the few podcasts he's appeared on because this guy is data heavy, and quite frankly it can be boring with how much he talks about data and graphs, but the data is there. They are very data driven. Part 2 has most of the data, but essentially votes went way up for Republicans as time went on. Statistically speaking, there should be a similar distribution of votes throughout, but what we see is any time Kamala gets close, a flood of red votes come in. The theory is a vote switching algorithm. Imo Elon saying that without him the Dems get the presidency and the house is not hyperbole. I'm pretty sure they were flipping votes and/ or using data from the super PAC $100 giveaway to file fake votes. There are a bunch of submitted ballots that were down ballot dem, but president and house / Senate (the ones that mattered the most) went to Republicans. The only way to find out is to do audits. And even if (and imo when) we do find out it was stolen, I don't think we have any recourse to remove him, but it would be nice to know that we didn't choose this, and the states can beef up their election security and politicians can stop being so spineless thinking that he's so popular and they are powerless.

The guy was dancing around like a crazy person to Ave Maria at his last rally and yelling about people eating cats and dogs on the debate. There's no way anyone saw that and wanted that running the country save the maybe 8% of the population that are Trump Simps.

His rallies were empty and Harris had the momentum with a packed house everywhere she went. She mopped the floor with him in the debate. The fact that she accepted the results and didn't push for a single recount was asinine imo. With Trump, everything is projection. There's evidence they tried to steal '20 and we're just overwhelmed by the sheer volume of people who voted by mail to oust him. Vote by mail is typically hand counted and harder to alter.

youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs

youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0

in reply to Raiderkev

The guy was dancing around like a crazy person to Ave Maria at his last rally and yelling about people eating cats and dogs on the debate. There’s no way anyone saw that and wanted that running the country save the maybe 8% of the population that are Trump Simps.


You overestimate this country.

in reply to wanderwisley

Sure but Harris already win NY, so it doesn’t affect anything
in reply to AA5B

It doesn't change anything in New York....... And ... In before the flood of other like cases.
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in reply to this_1_is_mine

Yep, if the machines were tampered with in NY, a relatively liberal bastion, what the fuck does that mean for the swing states?
in reply to DragonTypeWyvern

What did Trump say about Elon's computer knowledge winning the election again?
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in reply to boonhet

He always admits the truth if you know how to look for it. (Trump that is)
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in reply to wanderwisley

I'm tired of going high when they go low.

If the new standard is for Republicans to cast doubt on the legitimacy of every election, except for the ones they win, then we should, at the very least, be scrutinizing every single aspect of the election. Refuse to concede, demand recounts, hand tally the electronic ballots, search up and down and under every rock for evidence that the other side is guilty of some foul play.

Because if they had done that in the first place, they might have uncovered shit like this before it was too late to stop the wrong candidate from getting inaugurated. If they had bothered to put up a fight instead of maintaining decorum that the Republicans never bother to show, maybe they would have discovered what many of us already suspected - that Elon Musk somehow tampered with the voting machines to swing the election in Donald Trump's favor in key swing states. They practically admitted as much on stage, and nobody batted an eye at it.

I don't expect to ever live to see another fair election for the rest of my life.

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in reply to kinther

I remember asking a few weeks after the election if anyone at all was talking about it being rigged. It seemed at the time everyone just accepted the result. Only in the past month or so have I started seeing talk of it.
in reply to ssfckdt

I hate to bring up that site, but reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024 has been all over it since November.
in reply to ssfckdt

Leading up to the election all we were talking about is how trump got ahold of documents through court filings that would show exactly how the voting machines worked. Crazy how thst talking point just fell away.

At this point we know the who, the why, the what, and the how. We need to figure out the where and when.

in reply to kinther

I'm very much against conspiracy theories, especially concerning our elections which are administered by many many independent entities. I was very concerned as I watched electronic voting machines - especially without paper trails - become more and more popular over the past 30 years. Even more as the industry consolidated and it came down to a handful of private, for-profit manufacturers.

The thing I've read about that is keeping the door of conspiracy open in my mind is the "drop off" rate, which has to do with the number of "President only" ballots, where only the President is chosen, and no down ballot votes are cast.

Apparently Trump's ballots have an unusually high - like statistically unlikely - drop off. And it's either only in or mostly in/more pronounced in swing states.

Even Chris Titus picked it up (3 hrs total, sorry)

youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs - Part 1
youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0 - Part 2

in reply to kinther

So on one hand: Harris won NY State by a 10% margin.

On the other hand: if vote machines were tampered with then it likely doesn't stop there.

in reply to finitebanjo

Yeah, this isn’t really about that one specific district. It’s about all the other districts that were also likely tampered with.
in reply to mic_check_one_two

Trump didn't even try to get elected. Total fuck it all pill during his running like he knew he was going to win, then he wins by a huge margin electorally and the popular vote. It was surreal.
in reply to tinkling4938

If only there was a give movement of Democrat voters telling you loudly WE WON'T VOTE FOR HARRIS...

You guys usually love to blame us for Trump, even though we promised you he would win if you didn't give us an electable candidate, but hey if you now want to change stories again to follow whatever dem narrative is being spun today, then yeah her winning NY so bigly is obviously evidence of a stolen election...

Or she wasn't electable. No no no, it's everyone else's fault.

in reply to 3abas

yup, they kicked out Hogg because of the threat to their lifelong tenures and disrupt their ability to put their thumbs on the scale for the most disappointing republican lite candidates the isreali money wants the dnc to run
in reply to Upgrayedd1776

This enraged me. Totally enraged me. I am surprised he's not running again just to shove it down their corrupt throats.
in reply to Jumpingspiderman

they only people that the dems are good at fighting are their popular names trying to promote change
in reply to Bytemeister

Maybe if we had a primary, we might have found one, don't you think?
in reply to Jumpingspiderman

Sure.

But the Democrats decided not to hold a primary that late, and I don't recall any Democrats running a meaningful challenge to her candidacy...

So, let me ask again. Who was an electable candidate in 2024?

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in reply to 3abas

Sometimes you have to just suck it up and act/vote to reduce harm. That's called reality. It's like taking chemo if you have a fatal cancer. Chemo SUCKS and you might die of cancer anyway, but if you don't go through it, you will certainly die.
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in reply to finitebanjo

Felon practically admitted this last week.

The guy said the Democrats would control the House and even gave numbers for the Republicans in the Senate. What more do people need?

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in reply to kinther

I think the stupidity of the electorate is being vastly underestimated here.
in reply to PugJesus

Most likely a mix of everything. I am sure that Republicans tried to win with illegal (vote tampering) and legal (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc...) methods. Combined with a dumbass population, everything is possible.
in reply to kinther

This stuff has been going on for a loooong time:

Interview with Stephen Spoonamore on of the electronic voting issues that have been raised for a while now:

youtube.com/watch?v=BRW3Bh8HQi…

if you want to jump right to his explanation/comparison to his work with securing credit card transactions against "man in the middle" attacks:

youtube.com/watch?feature=play…

The filing also includes the revealing deposition of the late Michael Connell. Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove. Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system that transferred Ohio's vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush's unexpected victory. Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash.

Additionally, the filing contains the contract signed between then-Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell and Connell's company, GovTech Solutions. Also included that contract a graphic architectural map of the Secretary of State's election night server layout system.

Cliff Arnebeck, lead attorney in the King Lincoln case, exchanged emails with IT security expert Stephen Spoonamore. Arnebeck asked Spoonamore whether or not SmarTech had the capability to "input data" and thus alter the results of Ohio's 2004 election. Spoonamore responded: "Yes. They would have had data input capacities. The system might have been set up to log which source generated the data but probably did not."

Spoonamore explained that "they [SmarTech] have full access and could change things when and if they want."

Arnebeck specifically asked "Could this be done using whatever bypass techniques Connell developed for the web hosting function." Spoonamore replied "Yes."


truth-out.org/news/item/2319:n…

Breakdown of why Electronic voting in general is incredibly insecure:

Documentary going into Clint Curtis's story:

(the guy from this video):

Fractional Voting:

blackboxvoting.org/fraction-ma…

HBO documentary Hacking Democracy:

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in reply to Gates9

In the 2000 election cycle, electronic voting machines manufactured by Diebold used Microsoft Access as the underlying database for storing vote counts. Only techie oldheads will remember this, but in the world of electronic data storage Access was basically a toy. Access databases did have an audit table (which tracks every change made to the data), but the audit table was hand-editable.
in reply to kinther

Which county?

Edit: Rockland. Which is very much a possibility there.

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in reply to kinther

Leftists and liberals all think they're somehow immune to conspiracy theories, but here we are. Nearly everyone commenting or voting in this thread has an opinion based on feelings, and they're looking for evidence to justify their beliefs. "I'm not one to believe conspiracy theories, but..." That's a load-bearing "but" there.

No really: stop for ten seconds and think about why you believe this. Be honest.

Yes, I'm aware of the video that's been linked repeatedly where they can't explain how a small percentage of Trump cultists only voted for Trump and no one else. Imagine that: voters who think the entire system is corrupt and Trump is their savior don't vote for anyone else.

Here's an actual recount in a swing state, and it found nothing.

And as korendian has been trying to tell you, New Square in Ramapo, NY is a tiny, 100% Hasidic village and votes as a monolithic bloc.

There is a strong expectation that residents of New Square will conform to community norms... Those who have not conformed voluntarily have faced vigilante justice, as exemplified by the New Square arson attack and other incidents.


I'm not saying the election was clean. It never is. Red states purge voters they shouldn't, they enact laws to discourage voters and make it more difficult, etc. And sometimes it actually is a conspiracy: 2000 is one example where it really was rigged for Bush through coordinated efforts.

But there's zero persuasive evidence for 2024. If I see some, I'll charge my mind. But not until then.

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in reply to kinther

To paraphrase Bush v Gore over negative votes in Florida after the SC sent the case to a lower court and it was appealed back to them

it’s been so long since the election that it would be unfair to change the outcome now
in reply to kinther

After HitlerPig's 2025 State of the Union speech, new Democratic senator Elissa Slotkin gave the Democratic response, and tried to sell the idea that millions of people in her state voted for her for Senator, but Trump for president.

This past weekend, Amy Klobuchar tried to sell that same fantasy on Meet The Press - that millions in her state voted for her, but also voted for HitlerPig.

I'm sure there are a few people who split their vote, but they have to be as rare as white squirrels. There are supposed to be millions of them, so many that HitlerPig even won EVERY battleground state (an exceptionally unlikely outcome), but I've never heard one actual voter claim they voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig for president. It sounds ridiculous when you actually say it.

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in reply to barneypiccolo

For the uninitiated:

"Treat the situation like it's fair... because that's what they should have done when it actually was"
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in reply to barneypiccolo

There are supposed to be millions of them, so many that HitlerPig even won EVERY battleground state (an exceptionally unlikely outcome), but I’ve never heard one actual voter claim they voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig for president.


If you look at the actual vote counts

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Uni…

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_U…

Trump | 2,816,636

Harris | 2,736,533

Slotkin | 2,712,686

Rogers | 2,693,680


Harris and Slotkin net out almost perfectly. Trump outran Rogers by over 3% of the vote, which suggests people were showing up to support Mr Cheeto and then leaving the rest of the ballot blank.

That is... not unbelievable. The Trump Cult is strong, while the GOP as a party lags Trump's personality cult substantially.

Polling gets even worse in other Midwestern states, with Harris outright underwater to her down ballot Dems. But there's nobody in the GOP Trump doesn't outpace. The idea that people are voting Trump + Dem is far less likely than voting Trump + Nobody.

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in reply to UnderpantsWeevil

Citing the vote counts to prove the point that the election was "fair & square" is like using the Bible to prove that God is real. Of course they prove HitlerPig won, they're rigged! We're supposed to believe he won EVERY swing state? No Republican has won the popular vote since 1988, but we're supposed to believe the least popular Republican president in decades, one who actually LOST his reelection by a wide margin, is the guy to break that streak? Ridiculous.

What makes more sense to me, and is supported by the evidence and personal statements by the players themselves, is that they rigged the election, especially in the swing states, assisted by the richest man in the world (and his army of some of the best tech experts in the world), and Putin, who we know has been actively pursuing cyber-espionage for years.

When will people internalize that the two biggest FOREIGN Sociopathic Oligarchs, one with a government superpower at his disposal, another with the largest fortune on the planet, neither with any loyalty or patriotism toward America, have partnered up with the most prolific traitor in American history, to exploit our country in every way possible? None of them care about history or legacy or reputation, they see America as a rich, fat, lazy target, ripe for exploitation and looting.

in reply to kinther

This is why manual hand counted votes still happen to this day in Canada and Australia. They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.

Yes it takes longer. And sometimes results will take weeks to resolve but at least they don’t end up in a situation like this where the entire system is so corrupt 4 months later it’s near impossible to fix it.

in reply to Smoogs

Oh I can think of one way to fix it.. might be the only way left to us now
in reply to Smoogs

They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.


Largely thanks to the local public backlash to Trump tariffs. If Kamala had prevailed in November, both countries would likely have MAGA governments today.

in reply to UnderpantsWeevil

Yeah, it's weird to be an American and hope the silver lining of trump is that the rest of the world keeps making better choices in response to how bad this is.
in reply to lapping6596

Part of the Trump brand is "Fuck you, I've got mine" which isn't condusive to international coalitions.

Hell, just look at the Ukraine/Russia conflict. As soon as Trump got Zelensky to sign a bunch of Western Ukrainian real estate over to his cronies, he unleashed a large traunch of weapons to fuck over Putin. As soon as he got another Perfect Phone Call from Xi, and secured some unspecified promise, the Chinese tariffs evaporated.

My man stands for nothing that won't fit into his pocket.

in reply to UnderpantsWeevil

We can’t say that. We don’t know what would’ve happened in Canada if Trump lost.

If Trump lost:

  • Trudeau might not have resigned
  • if he did, Carney might not have became liberal leader
  • The election probably wouldn’t have even happened yet, and the campaign likely would’ve been longer when it was.
  • Every party would have run very different campaigns since the top issues wouldn’t have been US relations

A lot of things could’ve been different, but most notably:

  • PP might not have run a Trump-esk populist attack campaign.

For all we know PP wouldn’t be seen as “the same MAGA threat”

in reply to Smoogs

Note to mention that not only are they harder to scale attacks against, manual vote counts are easier to trust, As anyone can understand the process and how it ensured that their vote counted.

No matter how well they are protected it's hard to explain to the average person how a computer ensures their vote was counted correctly.

in reply to kinther

So wait a minute here guys, you're telling me that the man who was convicted by a unanimous jury of fraud (cheating) in the 2016 election, the same guy who called the governors of various states and asked them to 'find him some votes' in 2020, did not run a clean honest campaign in 2024???

Get the EFF out of here!!

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