Proton CEO embraces Trump for "standing up for the little guys"
Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"
Update: position got backed up by an official Proton post on Mastodon, it's an official Proton statement now. mastodon.social/@protonprivacy…
Update 2, plot-twist: they removed this response from Mastodon - seems they realize it exploded into their face!
Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.
At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.
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in reply to 7112 • • •I don't understand how everyone can be so blind to the surveillance that already exists.
Literally all your communications or purchase or browsing history, 90% of people's photos and contacts, everything you ever say near your phone/smart devices, your health data with devices like fitbit, cm resolution spy satelites, 4D maps of the entire globe being created via services like Pokemon Go, phones create and store in the cloud high resolution 3D maps of your face, mesh networked devices like Alexa now surveil without you even having internet access, your home and your exact location down to a meter are already being live spied on. Not to mention full remote access to all your devices.
Sometimes with a thin veneer of privacy on top of it, like Apple pretends to have.
Basically the only part of you that the surveillance state doesn't constantly surveil already is your butthole.
Even avoiding just 10% of this surveillance in your daily life is almost impossible.
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in reply to Chronographs • • •Right. I thought they were talking more about the recent insane inflation of used car prices and maybe they knew something to explain it that I'd missed.
Edit: looking back at their original comment, yeah, nm, you're right.
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Can't you both be right?
One it is a very narrow complement and also it be very concerning that the "small tech" is also bowing harder than big tech.
But this may be the price for not donating?
ExtremeDullard
in reply to JubilantJaguar • • •The only thing I want to hear from you is that you actively disavow Trump, or if you feel this is going to hurt your business, at least say nothing at all. Anything other than that marks you as a shameless suck-up, and I want nothing to do with you or your business.
Ergo, I want nothing to do with Proton. It's time suck-ups pay the price and see their bottom lines drop because of their dubious choices.
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in reply to JubilantJaguar • • •The truth comes out. You think this is a "both sides" thing, and you agree with it.
No, what's being said ITT is that he's praising trump prematurely and people don't want to support a business run by people who do that. Incredibly simple, and might I add, logical.
JubilantJaguar
in reply to TrickDacy • • •I don't. I'm not American (as if it wasn't already clear) but if I were then I would have voted for anyone but Trump and done it with both hands. He's a literal insurrectionist, an obvious criminal, a complete charlatan, a nasty bully, and generally an all-round terrible human being. I'm a pretty phlegmatic person so these are big words and I mean it.
But I still won't judge a whole company based on the personal opinions of one of its employees.
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in reply to JubilantJaguar • • •I would probably agree with you to some degree within other contexts, but I do not see anything like that here. It's easy, vote with your wallet. Don't like something a company or its executives do? Don't give them money, done, easy.
Praising trump for something he hasn't even done yet seems like a no brainer to me. It's indicative of an attitude held by the person that can make sweeping changes to Proton as a company. I don't see how it's controversial honestly. If this post also showed a campaign of people demanding everyone stop using proton over this opinion, maybe you'd have a point. Spreading it for awareness is a good thing, not "hysteria".
Edit: One last thing, can you provide evidence that any of this originated in America? "You are on the inside and don't see it" is not evidence.
JubilantJaguar
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in reply to JubilantJaguar • • •It's not a personal opinion:
Notice how it says "here is our official response"
fadelkon
in reply to JubilantJaguar • • •This. Also, in Europe you can get internet, electricity, email from coops. There are even some "ethical banks" and some survivors from the 2008 (at least in Sapin) as "small savings rural banks" (cajas de ahorros).
And if you aren't a rich progressist and can't afford some expensive eco-bio-coop consume, there are 2d hand options, food recicling, stealing is easy enough (and nobody will shoot a bullet to you for this) and so on. So, yeah, off-the-grid is a legit option, but on-the-grid stealing electricity from huge power corps is super legit also. No need to go to the caves.
Even in case of no alternative (say, I must have an id and a cellphone number), this doesn't justify anything from CEOs. Fun fact is, in the case of Proton, there is PLENTY of alternatives. So, let's use all the colorful gradients instead of accepting to remain in a dark-gray scale
Today
in reply to JubilantJaguar • • •JubilantJaguar
in reply to Today • • •Absolutely, yes. Great example. Great music. I guarantee you that almost everyone outside of the US-centric bit of the anglosphere agrees with me here.
Well, assuming they actually like music, of course.
gaael
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in reply to gaael • • •Ulrich
in reply to JubilantJaguar • • •I mean for most people there are lots of variables here. You have to pick and choose your battles. This is the entire concept of The Good Place TV show.
The only people that are 100% "good" are living in a fuckin yurt.
originalucifer
in reply to ExtremeDullard • • •if you disavow every company contributing to the republican party/trump you might as well sell all your belongs, and learn to live off grid. no internet access, no power, no retail.
we just dont live in a black and white world. its lovely shades of depressing grey gradients.
ExtremeDullard
in reply to originalucifer • • •As much as possible, I will take my business to companies that aren't openly terrible.
Tell that to the orange utan. He sure is about to turn the word from RGB to 1-pixel color space.
Do you really think I want to split people into people I can talk to vs. people I want to avoid at all costs? Trump is doing that. He's forcing shitty choices on everybody. I'd rather have constructive and peaceful interaction with my fellow man. But can you honestly shake hands with a magard and not feel sick to your stomach? I can't.
originalucifer
in reply to ExtremeDullard • • •right, i agree the idea is revolting... but the old man at the dog park who only watches fox news isnt inherently evil. hes brainwashed. hes a fellow human who if shown the light would absolutely change his tune. to abandon those people is to abandon civilization.
sure thats not everyone, but its enough. we just need to show them the truth.. that theyve been lied to and actually do have a choice.
treating every conservative voter as you would trump himself is absolutely painting in black and white.
ExtremeDullard
in reply to originalucifer • • •I'm sorry but no.
You have the die-hard racist MAGAs with the flags and the red cap. Those can fuck right off obviously.
But you also have all the ordinary folks who are NOT die-hard MAGA, but who decided that it was okay to vote for a convicted felon who tried to overthrow the government. And guess what: in a sense, they're even worse.
Voting for Trump is crossing a line. If you voted for Trump, I really don't want anything to do with you because you have proved to me that your sense of morality and your respect for the institutions of this country are compromised.
gimmemahlulz
in reply to ExtremeDullard • • •originalucifer
in reply to gimmemahlulz • • •remember that 88 million people who can vote, dont.
many of those that did vote are under a veil of propaganda. theyre not all rabid maga racists. its been proven that one-on-one interaction with adversaries can often change their minds. its just a slow, painful process.
EldritchFemininity
in reply to originalucifer • • •The Dems have been "reaching across the aisle" since before I was born. How's that working out? 20 years ago, racism was couched under the guise of "it's just a joke." 10 years ago, the racists and transphobes were screaming about how they were getting canceled for their views on their TV specials. Today, members of the incoming administration have openly called for the genocide of trans people (their words, not mine).
America has always been deeply bigoted. It's just out in the open now. And with my life on the line, the only thing I'm reaching across the aisle with is a loaded gun. The time for reconciliation is past. It's time to make Nazis afraid again.
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in reply to originalucifer • • •Thats not always true... That old man stuck on Fox News would likely rather shoot a bunch of brown people than admit he was wrong.
voracitude
in reply to originalucifer • • •I once read this on lemmy and it stuck with me. I think it applies here:
True for me, and worse, I never seem to learn.
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in reply to voracitude • • •Fuck, that's just exactly me. It's an autism trait??
More and more, I approach wishing everyone was autistic lmao
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in reply to originalucifer • • •Does this actually sound like a utopia to anyone else or just me?
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in reply to LandedGentry • • •I think the big difference is what the companies stand for.
If the CEO of The Anti-Spyware Company comes out in support of Spyware, is that not significantly worse than the CEO of The Spyware Company doing the same?
I supported The Anti-Spyware companies because of what they believed in. Now that is in question.
FWIW I don't use Proton but switching to it was in my 2025 plans. Not so sure about that anymore..
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in reply to LandedGentry • • •Spyware was just an example? Proton is all about privacy and this board member is saying good things about a guy who doesn't think us peasants should have any.
I agree that this isn't the worst thing to ever happen. But I also agree with the people saying he shouldn't have said anything.
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in reply to LandedGentry • • •NextCloud is almost an "out of the box" experience for all of these.
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in reply to JubilantJaguar • • •You mean that traitorous piece of shit who sold us out to DRM on the Web?
Tim Berners-Lee approves Web DRM, but W3C member organizations have two weeks to appeal | Defective by Design
www.defectivebydesign.orgJubilantJaguar
in reply to grue • • •Actually I ended up coming round to his view on this. If Firefox has stuck to its principles on DRM, then it would have been goodbye Firefox. And then you would have had no decent options at all, and neither would I. The setting is still opt-in.
Sometimes we have to compromise.
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in reply to akilou • • •They've been cooperating with law enforcement and handing data to the cops proactively since 2021.
Pay attention.
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in reply to huginn • • •Auf Anordnung von Europol: ProtonMail gab IP-Adressen von Nutzer:innen heraus
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in reply to huginn • • •Xamrica
in reply to akilou • • •I wouldn't call it "writing on the wall," but they have done some not-so-good things over the last few years:
1. Handing over data for their email services (which was legally required) (ref).
2. Releasing a Bitcoin wallet. The problem for me is that Bitcoin is inherently not private.
3. Lying in marketing. Proton claims "no data or speed limits" for their free VPN (ref), which is just plain wrong. If you download a few gigs, it will slow you down to a few Mbit (if I remember correctly). I even contacted their support about this, and they just said, "They are balancing the servers for the free VPN." But then why was it fast in the beginning, and if I reconnected to the same server, would it be fast again. Just to be clear: I have no problem with the speed limit/balancing itself, just that they are lying about it.
4. Proton incentivizing free email accounts to connect to a Gmail account to get 500 MB more storage. (You need to go through the "tutorial" steps to get the 500 MB extra, and one of them is to have a Google Mail account send all their emails to your new Proton inbox.)
This is why I personally decided against Proton.
Auf Anordnung von Europol: ProtonMail gab IP-Adressen von Nutzer:innen heraus
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in reply to Xamrica • • •These are useful data for making decisions about using their service, but not exactly indicative of support for a right wing authoritarian leader who lies more in one day than he has hairs on his entire body.
Edit: typo
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in reply to Xamrica • • •Damn; you're right. My bad. I somehow missed your opener saying exactly the opposite of what you were saying.
Everything you said is true and verifiable, and worth considering when you decide which service to use. It's a lot of reasons to favor the .onion/tor version of their service to limit what they have access to depending on your privacy stance.
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in reply to jaybone • • •Of all three, only Mullvad is police-raid-proven to not store logs or other PII.
The most important thing for me personally would be that the VPN company is not owned by a larger parent company, which in turn owns multiple different VPN providers. This alone excludes a lot of the heavily advertised providers (Private Internet Access, NordVPN, Surfshark, ExpressVPN, CyberGhost, OVPN, and probably a few more).
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in reply to Xamrica • • •Woah... an actually rock-solid account of problems with Proton! Nicely done.
This contrasts with the incoherent conspiracy theory spaghetti that has sometimes been trotted out to make the case against them.
Stowaway
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in reply to Stowaway • • •Drive - Selfhosted Nextcloud
Email - Posteo/Tuta
VPN - Cryptostorm (IVPN/Mullvad are more user friendly)
Passwords - Keepass (Sync over my Nextcloud.)
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in reply to ThirdWorldOrder • • •If it's between fascism and communism, the answer is pretty fucking simple imo. Only one of those ideologies considers all people to be equal.
And no, I am not a communist, and I would not choose communism unless it was the only alternative to fascism.
ThirdWorldOrder
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in reply to ThirdWorldOrder • • •Glances at the child gambling enabled by the steam marketplace, an issue being blatantly ignored by Valve leadership.
Buddy, I don't know how to tell you this. I love Valve for all the good they do, but they got some serious skeletons, too.
Valve representatives were asked point blank if the third party gambling sites have a positive influence on their bottom line, and the dude replying sweated bullets for several seconds before nervously going "we.... don't have any data on that" while the rest stared daggers at him.
Coffeezilla has a recent video on the situation.
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in reply to krolden • • •The timestamp in the coffeezilla video.
Watch the whole thing for more detail.
- YouTube
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Ah yes, Fox News. The company that is simultaneously 'news' or 'entertainment', depending on which description serves them better at the time. These are perfect representatives for the era where billionaires are supposedly 'anti-establishment' and book burners that police other people's identities and force their religion onto others are supposedly all for free speech and freedom of expression.
I just don't know anymore. How do you deal with people who will point at a fly and tell you that it's a bird, while sincerely believing it?
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in reply to lambalicious • • •🚀 Hébergement Web, Cloud Computing, Serveur Cloud, Nom de domaine, Messagerie, Streaming Radio et plus encore !
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Proton Mail --> Mail-In-A-Box
Proton Calender --> Mail-In-A-Box
Proton Drive --> Mail-In-A-Box
Proton VPN --> Mullvad VPN
Proton Pass --> Bitwarden/KeePass+Mail-In-A-Box
Proton Wallet --> Stick with your cryptos base wallet app. Never give your private keys to any service.
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •What?? „Stands for the Little guys“
Are you fucking tripping?!
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Oh damn. I was hoping proton had another good 20 years before some limp-dick ceo started with this shit.
I guess that makes tuta the company to beat?
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in reply to m-p{3} • • •merde alors
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •the rich got so unbelievably rich and the poor became so insignificant / invisible that these few people in the middle think they're the "little guys"
wake the fuck up
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Standing up for the little guy. Huh. Is that why billionaires and CEO are throwing literal tens of millions at Trump? Why he staffed his cabinet with billionaires? Why the center of his policy is tax cuts for the giga wealthy, at the expense of everyone else and the national debt, at a time where wealth inequality is literally tearing the country apart?
axios.com/2025/01/15/trump-win…
axios.com/2024/12/09/trump-wea…
These are objective, public facts. Like, I'm way more conservative than Lemmy’s center and willing acknowledge any good Trump does, but what reality is this guy living in? Who is this statement for? Who the heck does he think is using Proton services? He just pissed off his employees and customers for… What?
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in reply to brucethemoose • • •Probably doesn't want to get banned in the US... Or so my copium tells me.
Silver lining is that Proton is owned by a non-profit.
fishos
in reply to UnfortunateShort • • •I was thinking this for a second, but is this really plausible? Normally when we talk about corporations we talk about how powerful they are and how they use different nations to locate headquarters and offices in order to mitigate legal and tax obligations. We regularly talk about how governments can't reign them in and how they act with impunity.
But now? "They HAVE to capitulate. They are just doing it to survive." Really? Do we really believe that? Or is it more likely that this is what they want and if they didn't, they'd be fighting tooth and nail to stop it? I'm with the second option honestly.
brucethemoose
in reply to fishos • • •That’s what I don't get. If the proton CEO was actually raging MAGA, the last thing he should do, strategically, is stoke fires by stirring this up. That’s business 101.
…He must want conservative’s ears for some kind of policy issue, maybe to the detriment of Proton’s competitors. But what?
Ulrich
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in reply to brucethemoose • • •orca
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and that applies to tech. I pay for Proton and this is disappointing af but not shocking. Corporations and wannabe billionaires always fold to fascism.
Gonna start looking around at alternative email services to consider but I use my Proton email everywhere, so switching away is going to suck.
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in reply to UnfortunateShort • • •Yep... But CEOs bootlicking daddy trump is pathetic non the less...
What people define should not be doing is using Proton as one stop shop like they did with Google.
Got to stay nimble
nepenthes
in reply to sunzu2 • • •Nonetheless is one word 😀
I cannot think of a free VPN that doesn't suck; does anyone has suggestions outside of Proton for that, please?
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in reply to nepenthes • • •It is the spell check, trust me bro haha
Mullvad is is considered the gold standard but there is another that people recommend. Anybody can drop the other one?
John
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in reply to orca • • •I agree with this as much as the next guy, but this is also kinda cope.
orca
in reply to MonkCanatella • • •muix
in reply to orca • • •When you register a domain, you own the whole name-space of that domain:
On your domain, you are also free to choose the linked services such as web, email calendar etc. If you are not satisfied with one provider, you are free to switch to another one at your own convenience.
migadu.com/freedom/
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Glad I changed my stack over a few months ago:
I'd also recommend KeePassXC in place of Proton Pass, and Cake Wallet in place of Proton Wallet. However, these were both Proton services I never used anyway.
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Large corporations like google have grown and thrived in Silicon Valley, supported by the politicians of California. So by extension they are partially responsible for enabling these companies to be the giants they are.
According to this article Google has funded 40 elected officials and spent $10.7 million in lobbying California's legislature and Governor this year alone.
If a president (even a shitty one) was considering putting a damper on companies like google, I would not be against that. We'll see if anything actually happens.
I'm not ditching Proton over one fucking tweet
Google spends big to influence California media bill - CalMatters
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •One thing I saw was lacking in the comments here are some alternatives (Some were named, more self-hosted options, which can be good for a person, but not always)...
RiseUp.net and Disroot.org both are ran by collectives, and both protect your privacy. RiseUp has a log of how they've done so, as well.
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •God. Fucking. Dam. It.
I use too many of their services right now to get everything switched over to something else before trump takes power.
The swiss better fucking jail this guy if he hands over data to the us government without swiss court approval, per swiss law.
Now I have to find a new password manager, VPN, and email provider. Open to suggestions, but I want to find services that aren't hosed in the us or by trump friendly countries/companies, and ideally use open source software and zero access encryption.
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in reply to this • • •But I have SO MANY aliases in proton pass.
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in reply to simpliston • • •Mail I have sorted it out with Tuta and passwords with bitwarden.
Now I need a Drive alternative. Any suggestions?
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Unknown parent • • •I'm surprised this went unnoticed until now. The tweet is from December!
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in reply to Ballissle • • •frozenspinach
in reply to Olgratin_Magmatoe • • •It was intended to kind of be my new primary universe for personal communications, leaving behind Google for work/biz.
But......... maybe the water is warmer at Tutanota?
Ballissle
in reply to frozenspinach • • •I was considering tutanota but it felt too small and lacking some features that proton seemed better for. I may look at it again.
I cannot move from simple login though. I bought a lifetime plan which also includes proton pass and i use simple login extensively now.
I do use a custom domain but not for most things which i use simple login domains. My custom domain uses my full name and i dont want that associated with some random newsletter or game company etc. But important services are on my custom domain so not the end of the world and can change them all. I dont know who could replace simple login though.
enbyecho
in reply to Ballissle • • •ShotDonkey
in reply to Ballissle • • •No, unfortunately not: lemmy.ca/comment/13913116
egerlach
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •MonkCanatella
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Rentlar
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Biden's pick Lina Khan deserves all the credit for aggressively prosecuting anti-competitive practices. However, Gina Slater looks like someone capable of continuing that work and a legitimate admirer of Lina Khan. Yes there are ties to Vance and the FTC office is likely to end up beholden to the egomaniac in chief. So the whole "little man" thing aside (that's baloney), that's one person that's not a shit stain out of all the shit stains in the incoming cabinet.
Look Lemmy, you're welcome to choose what you want in your life and what you don't. But being too rigid with letting stupid opinions of a project's founder cause you to reject everything, would have you miss the big-picture benefits of having such a project exist. If you look at this Lemmy development co-leader's opinions on transgenderism, are you going to stop using this software that lets you converse on an LGBTQ+ safe-space instance with no involvement on a social level from said developer/founder?
Who is Gail Slater? Meet the Dubliner who's taking key role in Donald Trump’s administration
Garreth Murphy (Extra.ie)eldavi
in reply to Rentlar • • •A CEO or any kind of leader gets to determine the path that their organization takes. Slater may seem good now; but we won't know until the proof shows up in the pudding, so you can only try to guess based on whom she take orders from. (Fwiw: I hope you're right)
Bourgeoisie liberals do indeed use the transgendered in the same way that they used gays back in the 1990's, as little more than a virtue signal and now (just like back then) they retreat from that virtue signal when it no longer suites their purposes.
Unlike the Democrats & other liberals; there is plenty proof in Lemmy's pudding of its creators' intentions. The generations long reconciliations that LGBTQIA people had to struggle & die to force acceptance in the western world; despite the Democrats; is now falsely appropriated to pink wash anyone/anything who disagrees like it is here.
Rentlar
in reply to eldavi • • •I get you. It's important to remember there is nuance on topics/people you agree and disagree with, rather than jumping to "is against transgenderism", or "agrees with Republicans on everything".
Like you say, actions will speak louder than words. The further the Proton team can put their product and governance away from these opinions the better. The transition to non-profit structure is a positive step in that regard.
edit: forgot an important word in my comment
eldavi
in reply to Rentlar • • •Rentlar
in reply to eldavi • • •Can you elaborate on what you mean by my pinkwashing attempt?
note: I clarified my previous comment that was missing a word.
eldavi
in reply to Rentlar • • •this one:
Proton CEO embraces Trump for "standing up for the little guys" - Lemmy
lemmy.mlRentlar
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in reply to Rentlar • • •No, it's not only one person in the board. They confirmed their stance via their official Mastodon account.
lemmy.ca/comment/13913116
egerlach
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Sentau
in reply to Rentlar • • •Reading this confuses me greatly because republicans, especially Jim Jordan from what I remember, have been harassing and preventing Lina Khan and the FTC from taking action against big corporations.
Hell if she is doing such a great job, why fire her and replace her with a snake whose views are the antitheses of Khan's outlook.
zqps
in reply to Sentau • • •renzev
in reply to Rentlar • • •That's the truth. The reason online "communities" constantly argue and never get anything done is because everyone is focused on not doing the wrong things that they forget about doing the right things. A while ago I saw a post making fun of some chuds who compiled a list of "woke" video games that they wanted to boycott. The people in this thread deciding to leave proton because its ceo said something positive about trump once don't strike me as much different.
archchan
in reply to Rentlar • • •At risk of going slightly off topic, trans people aren't an -ism. It's not an ideology, though transphobes love to frame it that way (not saying you are).
Rentlar
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •The official @protonprivacy@mastodon.social account replied and doubled down
(Less importantly, my response)
Eric Gerlach (@egerlach@hachyderm.io)
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in reply to egerlach • • •So sounds like their main concern is addressing the abuses of the FAANG monopolies, and only a Republican has talked to them about it.
I guess that is understandable in that very narrow lens, but it's a bit laughable considering how all the big tech companies are also cozying up to the Trump administration. All this has done for me is make me wary of anything Proton does now.
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frozenspinach
in reply to dance_ninja • • •sudneo
in reply to dance_ninja • • •Actually I disagree on the latest part. I actually questioned, why google and Facebook had to go kiss the ring and pay some bucks to Trump, and didn't have to do that before? This for me is a sign of a disalignment between big tech and the administration.
That said, it's very much possible (I would say likely) trump won't do shit and he just happens to have the "correct" position on this particular issue because it can be used to attack the Californian elite (I.e. dem elite). But it's a matter of fact that it's auspicable he will follow up with action on his words on this, even if for the wrong reasons.
vatlark
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in reply to sudneo • • •frozenspinach
in reply to piccolo • • •Exactly this. It's not necessarily that he's like a better enforcer, but he's just a different type of enforcer that plays by different rules, which is to say compromised ethics, transactional exchanges, and so on. Tech companies absolutely had a difficult time under Biden, but the way they played that game was with legal filings, with negotiations where they attempt to offer something they hope will improve the perception of competitive balance.
It's just a difference in channeling these things through rule of law on the one hand and through transactional exchanges and gestures of fealty on the other.
And I think if you think the Trump style reflects a more effective approach to handling antitrust, it's kind of telling on yourself in terms of being able to comprehend the value of one type of transaction, but not the other.
italics2
in reply to sudneo • • •sudneo
in reply to italics2 • • •Yeah but why they wanted to please him? What's the benefit for them? Why they wouldn't want to please previous administrations? The other user mentioned that Trump is very transactional, and that sounds quite right too.
Either way, look at Facebook, literally went through a shitstorm to align, that is a sign of weakness in my opinion.
refalo
in reply to sudneo • • •Not being targeted by a President.
cnn.com/2024/10/29/business/ce…
cnn.com/2024/06/05/politics/tr…
Those administrations weren't targeting them.
I think it's always about the money, plain and simple. If there is a threat to their gravy train, they will bend over backwards to keep it going. Otherwise, they don't care about you.
sudneo
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in reply to sudneo • • •winterayars
in reply to refalo • • •The Biden government was targeting them, though. Kind of. Various companies were facing challenges from the administration. I think the difference is: If they suck Trump's dick enough he'll leave them alone. Biden was less likely to do that. Or probably that's their view of it, anyway. Somehow big business seems to view Trump as a "rational actor" while they view Biden as the opposite.
Something something TOS Mirror Universe episode...
ShotDonkey
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in reply to Ulrich • • •frozenspinach
in reply to egerlach • • •By my lights your response is quite effective, and while I appreciate the modesty I think it's appropriate to bring it over here:
sudneo
in reply to frozenspinach • • •The election already happened. Therefore it's not a matter of picking.
With regards of antitrust and big tech, Trump can do nothing, worse or better. In case of "better" there are indirect privacy wins. Everything else is completely unrelated, it's not like the Trump administration will break up a monopoly every 3 other human rights he violates.
So what does it mean
If "big tech is not restrained" it's going to be the same or worse, so why we wouldn't be happy at least if that happens?
I didn't read a celebration of Trump as a win for human rights tout court, which could have prompted this response (I.e., hey, might be a win for privacy, but it's a loss for x, y, z).
frozenspinach
in reply to sudneo • • •I'm having a lot of trouble parsing any of this.
In what sense does the election being over render it not a matter of picking? Slater's selection is a nomination, you could select one person at the expense of another, to better or worse ends, so in any ordinary english language sense, there is indeed a pick.
By contrast, Lori Chavez-DeRemer was selected for labor secretary, which has been celebrated by people who are normally Trump critics. Because there are such things as better or worse picks.
Again: what? Trump gets to appoint the DoJ's Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General, Associate Attorney General, Solicitor General, 93 DoJ Attorneys, heads of a bunch of individual departments in the DoJ which each have hundreds of staff, and will likely appoint hundreds of new judges. Not only can Trump do something, his actions will be the single most dominating force determining the trajectory of anti-trust environment.
What's more, as a commenter above noted, Lina Kahn is a perfect example of how influential these appointments can be, as we've seen some of the most ambitious anti-trust action in decades.
They're probably not even right, in the first instance, that big tech will be better restrained. The elephant in the room rendering this whole line of thinking preposterous, is Lina Khan's extremely aggressive record on this won't be matched even by a "good" Trump appointee, and in fact has been vehemently opposed by R's through her whole tenure.
Right, but that's the point. Nobody would credit Trump as a champion of human rights, which reveals why it's so short-sighted to uphold him or R's as leading lights on a topic such as privacy, which falls under the umbrella of a subject matter that we're all agreeing he doesn't care about.
It's precisely because of the absence of consistent commitments on every other front that also belongs in the same category, that of human rights writ large, that it's silly to celebrate the one exception to an otherwise negative record. And it's hard to take statements seriously that treat that totality as if it embodies a pure commitment to virtues of an ideal, free and open internet.
The One Trump Pick Democrats Actually Like
Russell Berman (The Atlantic)sudneo
in reply to frozenspinach • • •Maybe I was too cryptic. The election being over means that we are not choosing trump for antitrust policy (or better, what he says he will do) and ignore the human rights violation. He is already going to be president, and those human rights violation will anyway happen. So why can't we talk about the antitrust bit in isolation? It's a separate area AND, we are not in election campaign, nobody will vote Trump because of his antitrust posture today, at the expense of the human rights.
With regards to the pick itself, I have no opinion. But I didn't read a single piece that criticized the pick itself (which appeared to be OK?), almost every critique just highlighted that this pick happens in a specific context of shitty policies (project 2025 etc.). Which again, true, but in my opinion is forcing to expand the context. Once again, we are not in election campaign, nobody is proposing to be a single-issue voter on antitrust.
Sorry, I think my sentence was not clear. What I mean is that he can do "nothing", " something good" (better) or "something bad" (worse).
If his actions (or words) for now fall into the "something good" - this is anyway fully independent from all the "something bad" that he will surely do in many other areas, why can't be discussed independently? Why it's not possible to talk about this single issue? The rest is going to happen independently from what he does in the antitrust area, so isn't still a net positive if here he does "something good"?
But this also didn't happen, and it's also not logically true anyway. You could be a champion for privacy and at the same time - say - enact completely terrible policy on prisoners conditions (human rights). So in general it's an absolutely arbitrary statement that gravitate towards a platitude. Specifically anyway, he has not been praised to be a champion for privacy, the benefit to privacy is indirect, and stems from a (possible) harder posture on tech monopolies. It was not even said that Trump does it for privacy as the end goal. Fully indirect effect. In fact, it's also possible that trump might be harsher on monopolies and indirectly benefiting privacy of people by providing a fairer market where privacy companies can thrive, and at the same time a point some idiot that wants to backdoor encryption anywhere in some other position (another user mentioned this - which is a very good argument).
I disagree with this based on the above (nobody said oh look what good champion of human rights Trump is because he will do something that indirectly may benefit privacy for everyone).
In fact, I believe a few reasons of a previous record IN THIS AREA were cited by the guy (and later by the proton account). how good or solid examples I don't know, but it was not all based just on a tweet with some propaganda.
booly
in reply to egerlach • • •These fuckers act like they've never heard of Lina Khan. Let's see if Republicans try to replace her with someone with a stronger track record. Or, if they're so serious about tech competition maybe they'll get on board with net neutrality.
And look, I actually like Gail Slater (the Trump nominee that kicked off this thread). She's got some bona fides, and I welcome Republicans taking antitrust more seriously, and rolling back the damage done by Robert Bork and his adherents (including and probably most significantly Ronald Reagan).
But to pretend that Democrats are less serious about antitrust than Republicans ignores the huge moves that the Biden administration have made in this area, including outside of big tech.
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in reply to egerlach • • •Insane that an official company account posted this.
Seems like they have deleted it now. Link is dead. Has there been any further comment?
golden_zealot
in reply to egerlach • • •Doomsider
in reply to egerlach • • •"Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses."
That has to be one of the most retarded things I have ever read. You would have to ignore the last 50 years and have a lobotomy to believe that nonsense.
sudneo
in reply to Doomsider • • •Doomsider
in reply to sudneo • • •Not all of us are young people who have no recollection of the history of the Republican party. Pretending that there has been some dramatic shift in the last few years is simply false.
Even more false is stating that Republicans are the party of the common man or that they will be the ones to regulate big tech to fix the issues we are facing.
Pretending you can critique an argument without the knowledge of the past and an unwillingness to discuss the details is something else. Truly some peanut gallery level of nonsense.
sudneo
in reply to Doomsider • • •It's not a matter of pretending. The fact that there has been a shift is his/their point. If there is a shift it's implicit that before the shift the situation was different, hence the absurdity of "consider the last 50 years". You want to contest the fact that there is been a shift, that's great. But trying to debate the whole argument with "look at the last 50 years" doesn't touch their argument at all.
Also, in the context of his tweet "the little guy" are small businesses, not the common men. He clarified this point in a reddit comment somewhere, where he mentions small businesses vs big tech. You can go check it out.
Edit: see reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/commen…
I am not sure what obsession you have with "pretending", but I was not pretending anything. Arguments can be debated in the method or in the merit. In your case the method seemed to be wrong to me and I stated that. Logically was just inconsequential. This is something that doesn't depend on the validity of the argument or on my position, it's just a methodological observation.
You might be right as far as I am concerned, but your argument was absurd nevertheless.
Doomsider
in reply to sudneo • • •I have already said there was no shift. I will pretend you can follow along. The conservatives have threatened to take away Section 230.
techdirt.com/2024/11/27/brenda…
This is because they want social media to stop fact checking and moderating their users so they can spread misinformation aka lies. They don't want a level playing field. They want to spread misinformation and then control the truth.
So saying they are going to regulate big tech is really just code for threatening them into allowing them to openly lie to people. This is fucking ridiculous.
As typical, conservatives always lean into the small business mantra. That Republicans really care about small business owners whatever the fuck that means. While you won't discuss the details you are ready to throw some classic Republican propaganda at everyone.
americanprogress.org/article/b…
Small business ownership has shrunk dramatically in the last 20 years (oops brought up history) and will continue as the too big to fail billionaires and their megacorps suck up all the capital. You would think that a supposed billionaire who only puts his wealthy friends into power would be a red flag for small business or the little guy.
Not for Sudneo though, he thinks billionaires care about him. He probably thinks Muskrat is worried about his well being and free speech rights. Yeah there is a lot of pretending going on for sure.
I also find it bizarre to say the Democrats need to get rid of their "corporate" support. Apparently they are Dinos because every Democrat must be a left wing liberal socialist. Funny that the Republicans don't need to do this though. Apparently there are no big corporate Republicans, thank God.
Politics don't exist just in the moment and I find it disturbing you don't care about history. Perhaps it is a defense mechanism as the Republican party has been on the same trajectory since Reagan. I guess if I was a conservative trying to rewrite reality I would try to discredit or ignore history as well.
Perhaps this is all driven by the thought that this administration is different. I don't mean to make fun of people but God damn you would have to be a dumb motherfucker to expect anything different in this administration from last time. Stocks up, regulations down, massive fuckups, and politicize everything. I mean if your kink is being governed by clowns maybe it would be great.
jec.senate.gov/public/index.cf…
The truth is a hard pill to swallow I guess and you can see why the Republicans have committed to a war on truth. They simply cannot exist without their lies and the gullible people who believe them.
This of course is exacerbated by the truly awful people we have allowed to control the next administration. I am no fan of Democratic people but the garbage that is the apparatus of our AOTUS is without parallel. I mean you basically have to be a rapist to get a spot in his cabinet.
Brendan Carr Makes It Clear That He’s Eager To Be America’s Top Censor
Techdirtsudneo
in reply to Doomsider • • •Ahaha you still didn't get it.
I don't care if there was a shift or not. That was their argument, not mine. However, whether the shift was there or not, IT IS IMPLICIT in an argument that mentions a shift that before the shift this didn't apply. Therefore it's simply useless to counter THAT argument with "you missed the last 50 years".
I didn't throw any propaganda. I didn't even make an argument. You are just trying to pidgeonhole me into a stereotypical position to attack me, because apparently you can't understand what a methodological remark is.
I will skip over the next paragraphs where you talk about " regulating tech" but you talk about free speech and fake news (that has NOTHING to do with antitrust and monopolies). I do that because I agree, but it's a completely separate conversation, that has no relationship with the context of Andy's tweet or our discussion.
You are saying this as if this didn't regularly happen for years though...
I am a communist lol. I would like to see Musk 3 meters under the soil. Please stop making shit up to attack people.
See the beginning of this comment. It's not about not caring, is that what you think is an argument against THEIR position is actually PART of their argument already. Again, a LOGICAL issue. I don't care about discussing if dem or rep are pro big or small businesses and in which measure, for me American politics is small flavours of right wing, and I have the fortune of not having to vote there.
Yet another fallacy. have you even read the tweet? Like I do agree with you, but holy shit at the end of a 200 characters sentence the guy said that the antitrust against Google or something was started during the Trump administration. So no, it's not about being different, I guess, it's about continuing with what the guy (him, not me) says it's a trend. You disagree and that's great, go debate him on why it won't happen.
Personally, and THIS is my opinion as an outsider, I think this administration is awful and it's going to fuck up so many things. That said, I will be pleasantly surprised if it will work on breaking some monopolies, even if for all the wrong reasons.
Doomsider
in reply to sudneo • • •Oh I get it, you just like to keep saying that it's is not your argument and then you talk about semantics. I will just skip this because you have already said it and it is boring.
I like that you start referencing history yourself though, I appreciate the nod even if it is unintentional.
You remind me of all those sycophants for Drump who are always saying he didn't mean that or he clarified himself later on. The kind of capitalist bootlicker that pretends to be a communist because it's edgy. Hey whatever floats your boat I guess.
I think his original statement stands just fine on its own and I think I have made it clear why it is so distasteful.
As someone who was seriously considering signing up for their service seeing them suck up to the right wing is very worrying. I have already left every other social media platform because of their toxic behavior.
At any rate it appears we agree on everything except your obsession with semantics. Stay shifty!
sudneo
in reply to Doomsider • • •Please, please tell me you are not referring to highlighting what the guy wrote.
To be honest I don't care what I remind you off. You hallucinate worse than chatGPT, and you seem to have really hard time reading what other people write, both me and Andy Yen.
You are one of the many people whose heart is in the right place, but for some reason feel the need to make stuff up to make their argument more compelling. It's not an "obsession for semantics", it's an allergy for bullshit.
Doomsider
in reply to sudneo • • •First and foremost from the start you literally made no sense. That shift nonsense is like an asspie's fever dream. It may be that you are ESL, or just lack a general grasp on conversation.
Conversations are dynamic and constantly change. The entire time you were stuck at the begining unable to move on or offer actual real opinions. You feigned it is not my argument, but the reality is you just have nothing.
Speaking of Chatgpt perhaps you should use it to help with your responses. Reword everything of course. I would much rather talk with a language model than someone who wants to attempt to argue semantics.
You are one of those people who have nothing to say. An apologist without an opinion who just latches onto whatever comes along. But I think your heart is in the right place. Like I said, I think we probably agree on everything.
Everything except this dumb motherfucker trying to pretend that it is opposite day. God damn the sides have flipped nonsense and now the Republicans are going after big business has to be one of the stupidest takes I have ever heard.
sudneo
in reply to Doomsider • • •You are so wise. It only you simply acknowledged the first point without moving the goalpost and adding random stuff everytime.
I have never been interested in discussing opinions with you, I wanted to point out that your line of reasoning made no sense. However, you couldn't critically reflect on your fallacy and you tried making stuff up to drag me into a conversation.
I didn't attempt, I did. And I didn't argue semantics, I argue logic.
Anyway, thanks. Cya
Doomsider
in reply to sudneo • • •Like I said it is a conversation. It is dynamic and it changes. I explained you have nothing, no need to climb on your high horse and ride off all pissy.
You see you were just wrong from the beginning. I still chose to share my opinions and time with you regardless of your lack of reciprocation.
I do appreciate you.
sudneo
in reply to Doomsider • • •Doomsider
in reply to sudneo • • •Yes I was stupid to bring up the fact you would have to ignore that for the last fifty years the Republican party has been on the same trajectory. This is in reference to the Southern Strategy and it is the driving force behind their party to this day.
This fucking tard burger says there has been a change in the last ten. That the sides have flipped and now Republicans represent the little guy.
What I said was an obviously sarcastic comment because this foreigner has no fucking clue about what is going on politically in the US.
As I already said. In order to believe what Andy and company have said you would have to ignore the last 50 years of the Republican party and also be lobotomized.
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Yes I'm sure he'll crack down hard on all the tech companies that are giving him millions of dollars and kissing his feet...
What a moron.
frozenspinach
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •thatsnothowyoudoit
in reply to kingthrillgore • • •Email is notoriously hard to self host. It requires constant care, planning, and interfacing with the big guys when your email can’t get delivered despite jumping through all the hoops (DKIM, DMARC, SPF and more).
I used to run email services for my small business and former start-up. It was a never-ending pain. IP warming, monitoring, deliverability checks…. blah blah blah.
Both Google and Microsoft would regularly blacklist massive IP address blocks because of one bad IP address. Days to weeks for resolution in some cases.
I’m a little salty though ‘cause I just switched to proton away from RackSpace. There are so few good and reliable options that aren’t the big guys and the big guys want it that way.
frozenspinach
Unknown parent • • •It's so all over the map, what does or doesn't count as toughness. That criteria rewrites itself in real time like the plot of a dream.
Avoiding or ignoring questions I would have thought is weakness. Letting covid sweep the country. Falling behind China and India with a weaker labor force. Being ready to surrender to Russia. Being unable to confront the truth that you lost an election.
Any number of mixed and matched definitions could include or exclude those from operative definitions of toughness/weakness without and make just as much sense. It's all just working backwards from tribalism.
Alas Poor Erinaceus
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in reply to plixel • • •Proton CEO embraces Trump for "standing up for the little guys" - Blåhaj Lemmy
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in reply to plixel • • •I am using their service since roughly 10 years and am completely satisfied 😀
Email green, secure, simple and ad-free - posteo.de -
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in reply to plixel • • •randomwords
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •ZeroOne
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •This is a stretch & honestly not worth abandoning proton because of this.
Don't just abandon a good FOSS/Privacy project just because of a CEO's (of a frickin Non-Profit in Switzerland) statements, you're too busy arguing & not getting things done
Have some nuance guys
Could be 1000+ IQ chess move in disguise, appeal to Trump's ego & get him to make trouble for big-tech
Let's see whether this actually affects Proton & decide from there
as a side-note: people from techlore are scumbags
gmtom
in reply to ZeroOne • • •ZeroOne
in reply to gmtom • • •So...... Biden wasn't one too ?
(He IS a mass-murderer)
Just saying, Wait & watch (I'm a Non-American)
gmtom
in reply to ZeroOne • • •Isthisreddit
in reply to ZeroOne • • •ZeroOne
in reply to Isthisreddit • • •Also, have some patience, who knows we might see a change in opinion
tomatol
in reply to ZeroOne • • •It is not just Andy’s opinion, official Proton accounts have doubled down on it too:
lemm.ee/post/52665828/17509919
old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/co…
ZeroOne
in reply to tomatol • • •Again, not a big deal, it's based in Switzerland & they won't let USA interfere with their politics
But honestly the guy should've followed Swiss's Neutrality stance & kept his mouth shut
Does this affect the product ?
Has it affected the product ?
nope, not yet
DarkFuture
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Another tech dipshit, whose wealth allows him to exist outside the realm of reality, bending the knee to an anti-democratic felon rapist so he can get some handouts.
Pathetic loser.
Growing up, if you had told me half or more of America would end up elevating a rapist to the presidency and prostrating themselves at his feet, I'd have laughed you out of the room. This nation has sunk LOW.
NordVPN is superior in every way. If you have ProtonVPN, dump it and swap to Nord.
AnAmericanPotato
in reply to DarkFuture • • •FYI, Nord no longer allows port forwarding as of a couple years ago. Proton is one of the few providers who still have that feature.
Compare:
support.nordvpn.com/hc/en-us/a…
protonvpn.com/support/port-for…
Does NordVPN offer port forwarding
Live Chat, VPN Setup, Troubleshooting | NordVPN Customer SupportDarkFuture
in reply to AnAmericanPotato • • •As far as I know, this only matters if you're hosting a VPN server or torrenting, and you can just buy a static IP from Nord for cheap, like all their services. Personally, I don't torrent on VPN because I just ignore all the DMCAs I get and have never had a problem, probably because I'm not a notorious uploader. And it wouldn't affect your ability to download torrents if you don't have port forwarding on VPN, just your ability to upload.
For the vast majority of VPN users just looking for anonymity while they surf/download, port forwarding it not necessary.
And, personally, if I did need it, I'd find a VPN service that provides it without its CEO prostrating themselves to a rapist.
AnAmericanPotato
in reply to DarkFuture • • •This isn't quite true. Two peers who both lack port forwarding will not be able to connect to each other at all. Once a connection is established between two peers, both uploading and downloading should work just fine.
A significant portion of swarms are users like that, who can initiate connections but cannot receive incoming connections. This is especially problematic with smaller torrents. If you're working with well-supported torrents with dedicated seeders and thousands of users, then it won't really matter. But if you need something with just a couple seeders, you might find yourself stuck with zero accessible peers.
NevermindNoMind
in reply to DarkFuture • • •Bill Clinton won reelection. Now, granted, he was not Trump levels, he was a piece of shit who at the very least abused his role and power over women. Now, even after me too, he's a beloved elder statesman. Just saying, the nation has sunk lower, but I don't know that's a lot lower than where we were when we were kids.
Tangentism
in reply to NevermindNoMind • • •And bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Libya to distract people from the fact he couldnt keep it in his pants
JackbyDev
in reply to NevermindNoMind • • •DarkFuture
in reply to NevermindNoMind • • •Definitely disagree. A convicted felon and adjudicated rapist who incited an insurrection against our government, illegally attempted to overturn an election, fumbled his response to the greatest American crisis since WW2, removed women's rights, and attempts to divide Americans whenever his mouth opens is about to be sworn in as our leader.
boonhet
in reply to DarkFuture • • •Have we learned nothing of the whole "spend millions upon millions on YouTube sponsorships" debacle? Nord absolutely is hiding something from us.
If you need to forward ports, AirVPN seems the best right now. Otherwise, Mullvad.
JackbyDev
in reply to boonhet • • •I genuinely don't see anything inherently suspicious about advertising through YouTube videos. Yes, there have been a few big name ones that were problematic, but that's going to be true with most advertising, I'd think.
The other big one coming to mind being the Scottish titles thing. Which, I never thought it was legit, and anyone thinking it made them a real Lord or Lady was foolish, but in Scotland it's illegal to subdivide property that much and sell it as souvenir plots of land. And people's coverage on the topic really annoyed me because they focused so much on some Scottish titles organization saying they didn't recognize land ownership as meaning you had a title, which, to me, is far less of an issue. Like, if you're selling me something and saying that it makes me very distinguished to own it, I know that's bullshit, but I'd expect to actually own the thing in the end.
boonhet
in reply to JackbyDev • • •It's a very expensive form of advertising. It means you have to have margins. There are a bunch of VPNs out there, so you'd expect the space to be competitive, but somehow a couple of them can spend like half their revenue on advertising?
Though I did just now realize that they do it instead by having enticing start-up prices and really expensive prices after the fact, so maybe they don't have to supplement their income by selling data after all.
DarkFuture
in reply to boonhet • • •padge
in reply to boonhet • • •funnyguy
in reply to DarkFuture • • •framing him as a "tech dipshit" is a mistake, i feel. though it's definitely true lmao
like all things we should use class to analyse their motivation, and in this case it's very clear - andy, like mark zuckerburg, elon musk, and jeff bezos, is simply looking after his own interests as a member of the ruling class (that is, the class that owns the means of production under a capitalist system) by ingratiating himself with americas new ruler.
these people will always look after their own class interests before anything else, and it's through class analyses that we can identify their motivations. here he's simply trying to raise his own status within his class.
DarkFuture
in reply to funnyguy • • •funnyguy
in reply to DarkFuture • • •मुक्त
in reply to DarkFuture • • •DarkFuture
in reply to मुक्त • • •The co-founder and CEO of Proton?
Many, many millions of dollars.
jagged_circle
in reply to DarkFuture • • •DarkFuture
in reply to jagged_circle • • •jagged_circle
in reply to DarkFuture • • •VPN Comparison by That One Privacy Guy
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Unknown parent • • •RubberElectrons
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •I see a lot of good discussion here. I've been on proton for years now, using my own domain. While true that Andy is one of 5 board members, and it's a nonprofit etc, these statements are raising hairs on my neck, personally.
Does anyone have a good guide on problems associated with self-hosting email?
sudneo
in reply to RubberElectrons • • •suckmyspez
in reply to RubberElectrons • • •Setting up is a piece of cake but getting your emails through spam filters can be a pain.
Have you considered Tuta?
bobbyfiend
in reply to RubberElectrons • • •AdrianTheFrog
in reply to RubberElectrons • • •jagged_circle
in reply to AdrianTheFrog • • •By default it should be OK. The problem is if your IP was previously used by someone bad before it recycled to you.
But it you have a server for a decade and have held the IP the whole time, you should be OK if you setup your email server correctly (which you probably won't)
jagged_circle
in reply to RubberElectrons • • •sudoer777
in reply to RubberElectrons • • •sudneo
Unknown parent • • •/home/pineapplelover
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •MTK
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •I wonder what is the percentage of nuts tech ceos.
Seems to be abnormally high
kerrigan778
in reply to MTK • • •tetris11
in reply to MTK • • •Once you start getting real money, you start noticing how much is going to taxes.
Even though the net income is more money than you've ever seen in your life, and the meagre fraction that is going to welfare is abysmally small, yet was a true lifeline to you when you needed it mere weeks ago... it still makes your blood boil knowing you're not getting everything you feel you deserve.
Imagine that amplified x 10, and you can see how a CEO might feel that they're throwing tens of thousands a month on what they feel are undeserving recipients. All they see are the zeroes, not the percentage.
TL;DR - we all inhabit the same planet, but we live in different worlds.
Metju
in reply to tetris11 • • •Apparently, I'm a minority then. I do not earn "much" in the sens of making billions on the backs of spaghetti-monster-knows-how-many-ppl, but I make enough to comfortably get by, save sth, and donate money to charity (not to get tax exempt, mind ya).
Then again - EU represent, this might skew things a bit
tetris11
in reply to Metju • • •Takumidesh
in reply to tetris11 • • •In the US at least this isn't really true, at least not in a practical way for most people.
Charitable donations are tax deductible true, but they are for most people covered under what is called the standard deduction, which is a standardized amount that aims to estimate would a regular person would be able to deduct from their taxes. The standard deduction is applied automatically and is $14,600. This means that if you don't do anything abnormal on you it taxes, your taxable income is reduced by the standard amount. For most people they wouldn't typically be able to find $14,600 in tax deductible expenses, so the standard is worth it.
The catch is that if you take the standard you cannot itemize, as taking the standard deduction is basically saying to the IRS "yea I donated here and there, bought some stuff for work, did this and that". Itemizing is listing out your individual tax deductible expenses (and justifying why they are deductible) so if for example you had a single year where you donated $20,000 you could itemize that instead of taking the standard deduction for a total reduction in income of 20k plus whatever you could come up with.
The other reason why that isn't really applicable is that a deduction is not a credit, that is to say, deductions reduce your total taxable income amount. If you deduct $1,000 (a 1k donation for example) that would have been taxed at 20% you will receive back from the IRS, $200. Meaning that you still had to pay $800 out of pocket for the donation that will not be refunded to you.
Deductions pretty much never result in getting more than the tax that you would have paid refunded. Even if youanahe to deduct more than you make, the resulting negative would just result in a carry over loss for the next year. You can effectively pay an income tax of 0 but it requires losses and other deductible expenses that are greater than your income, which means you didn't actually make any net income for the year (on paper and practically)
Other countries are different of course, but I wouldn't want someone going out and donating their life savings thinking they will get it back in tax season.
JackbyDev
in reply to tetris11 • • •This isn't directly related, but I hate when payroll programs show me a damn pie chart of how much money goes to taxes. I know what I yearly salary pre tax is and I know roughly what my paychecks are. I intentionally avoid math comparing the two.
But yeah, like you said, the bigger the amount you make, the more you're like "wait, I'm losing how much?"
HiddenLayer555
in reply to MTK • • •Chaotic Entropy
in reply to MTK • • •funnyguy
in reply to MTK • • •BmeBenji (he/him)
Unknown parent • • •earmuff
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •People have private lifes. CEO‘s too. I don’t see why I should remotely care what the personal opinion of a CEO is. And I am deeply concerned that this is such a big deal, no matter what their opinion is.
If you have a personal problem with that, that‘s totally okay. Putting them on a stand, is not okay. Let them have an opinion. Debate if you disagree. But stop making such a scene out of everything.
garretble
in reply to earmuff • • •I definitely care about the opinions of CEOs because it directly lets me know which companies to support or not.
If a CEO is a trash, then I don't want to give them my money. Simple capitalism, that.
earmuff
in reply to garretble • • •piccolo
in reply to earmuff • • •earmuff
in reply to piccolo • • •thedeadwalking4242
in reply to earmuff • • •earmuff
in reply to thedeadwalking4242 • • •giangi
in reply to earmuff • • •I only care to the extent that companies are seen as people that can exercise free speech by donating tons of money to politicians. So seeing where a CEO might lean will change my mind about the future of said company.
With that said, I'd love for companies to just be companies and the people running them to be separate, but it's all to intertwined in my opinion.
nieminen
in reply to earmuff • • •earmuff
in reply to nieminen • • •JubilantJaguar
in reply to earmuff • • •shawn1122
Unknown parent • • •kerrigan778
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Tangentism
in reply to kerrigan778 • • •sudneo
in reply to kerrigan778 • • •ohitsbreadley
in reply to sudneo • • •If a Nazi sits at a table with ten other people and everyone is talking cordially, you've got a table of 11 Nazis.
This mother fucker saw a Nazi and said "HEY BRO SIT OVER HERE."
It's not a joke.
sudneo
in reply to ohitsbreadley • • •To me this is complete nonsense.
It's absolutely possible to disagree with 99% of what a government does and still agree on a 1%, by coincidence or something. This doesn't mean "sitting at the table" in any way, which I think would be an overall endorsement. If that 1% would be use to fully endorse the government then it would implicitly mean the support (or at least passivity) towards the rest 99%. This is not the case.
Let's talk hypotheticals for a moment: let's sat Trump will actually do something and break up tech monopolies, google for example, or decrease their power and create a fairer market.
In this case, saying "good policy" would make you a Nazi? For me, this is simply absurd, and it is very very similar to what is happening.
nyctre
in reply to sudneo • • •sudneo
in reply to nyctre • • •nyctre
in reply to sudneo • • •Ok, maybe he wasn't praising republicans as a whole, but he did praise trump for picking a big tech lobbyist in a job in which he claims to want the opposite. "Great pick!" is a praise, you can't deny that, can you?
"Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote."
That's their official account complaining about the guy's daughters being lobbyists, not even him directly. Why is the appointment of Gail Slater, who worked the internet association (big tech lobbyists) and fox corporation, a great pick?
sudneo
in reply to nyctre • • •Yes, he did praise the specific pick.
You are calling her a big tech lobbyist but -from what I understood- he praised picking her because she previously was involved in antitrust cases against VISA, google and Apple.
I don't know nearly enough about her to debate her history or actions, just repeating what I read.
nyctre
in reply to sudneo • • •Kazumara
in reply to kerrigan778 • • •TypicalHog
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •FolknForage
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •I am not a security expert, but I remember reading Proton is not really secure?
Edit: expanded in comment below. I think what I remember is “Proton is not really any more “secure” than other email providers.”
zqps
in reply to FolknForage • • •In what way?
Asolute security doesn't exist, it's always a trade-off with cost, time investment, and convenience.
FolknForage
in reply to zqps • • •Thank you.
I think I remember it was when Proton complied with Swiss subpoena and provided user account info requested by US. I clarified my nebulous comment in another thread here.
Pup Biru
in reply to FolknForage • • •FolknForage
in reply to Pup Biru • • •sudoer777
in reply to FolknForage • • •FolknForage
in reply to sudoer777 • • •That all makes sense.
I did some digging to see what was that I had read, and I think it was a case a few years back of Proton complying with a Swiss subpoena requested by US, investigating death threats to Fauci. Proton disclosed (limited) information about the account that sent those emails.
I think because Proton promised complete privacy, and did provide user information, it ended in my brain as “Proton is not as private as they tout it to be”.
I am not advocating for protections of highly illegal acts, but since:
I stored Proton in my “Marketing bullshit” cabinet and never opened an account. Other than not selling my info to advertisers, it seems the same as Apple email, for example.
mortemtyrannis
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Hypothetically, if Hitler saved a child from being hit by a car would you publicly sing Hitlers praises and be happy to make positive quotes about it?
Does being on the right side of a single issue negate everything else?
zqps
in reply to mortemtyrannis • • •funnyguy
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in reply to Rice_Daddy • • •funnyguy
Unknown parent • • •this is true! it's not that he loves donald trump and hates wokeism. it's that he's focused on his own class interests.
as a member of the ruling class it's his prerogative to gain more capital, and as a "small" tech company it's within his interests to weaken the big FAANG (or whatever the new acronym is) companies. he's hoping to supplant them with his own services (Which is why protonmail has expanded their services so much in recent years)
MidWestKhagan
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Thetimefarm
in reply to MidWestKhagan • • •I've been using Tutanota and Mullvad for like a decade now without any issues.
Tutanota in particular, feels like it's gotten a lot better in the last year or so. The inbox loads a lot faster and you can show sender info in the notification.
sakuragasaki46
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •If for "little guys" Proton CEO intends minors, we are cooked 🤦
Also, top 10 anime plot twists
archchan
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •tomatol
in reply to archchan • • •lemm.ee/post/52665828/17509919
old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/co…
Psythik
in reply to archchan • • •asap
in reply to Psythik • • •italics2
in reply to asap • • •cybersecuritynews.com/mullvad-…
Yea, let's switch to some other service that is less maintained because of a compliment to a guy we don't like.
Critical Mullvad VPN Vulnerabilities Let Attackers Execute Malicious Code
Guru Baran (Cyber Security News)sillybread
in reply to italics2 • • •irreticent
in reply to italics2 • • •Less maintained? Did you even read the article you posted?
*Edit: just in case anyone is curious, here's what the deleted comment said:
@italics2@lemmy.world
Critical Mullvad VPN Vulnerabilities Let Attackers Execute Malicious Code
Guru Baran (Cyber Security News)Ensign_Crab
in reply to archchan • • •मुक्त
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •WhatSay
Unknown parent • • •danc4498
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •He went after big tech as a punishment for fact checking the bullshit coming from his administration and his followers. That was it.
Now that all big tech has turned away from democrats (probably as punishment for their antitrust lawsuits), we will see a much different perspective from the Trump administration.
Sentau
in reply to danc4498 • • •This exactly. We have to remember that the stricter moderation policies on several of the big tech social media platforms had got trump banned from them. At that time, trump was incensed with them and had promised retaliation. That was the only reason he was going against the big tech companies.
Exactly. Lina Khan bought several cases anti trust cases against big tech but they were thrown out by the republican biased courts. Hell republicans even tried to hound and harass khan over the cases she was bringing
AnotherDirtyAnglo
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •a1studmuffin
in reply to AnotherDirtyAnglo • • •Takumidesh
in reply to a1studmuffin • • •Email is far too important to be set up in a fragile home server.
Unless you have concurrent redundancy with HA servers and multiple Internet connections, it's just not worth missing important emails imo.
sudoer777
in reply to Takumidesh • • •AnotherDirtyAnglo
in reply to Takumidesh • • •jagged_circle
in reply to AnotherDirtyAnglo • • •Lol wut. All veteran sysadmins know email servers are like the hardest servers to maintain n
Email delivery and spam are fucking hard.
Most orgs just outsource it for this reason.
NautiNolana
in reply to jagged_circle • • •AnotherDirtyAnglo
in reply to jagged_circle • • •For a large organization? Sure. For your family and friends? No.
There are lots of tutorials, and choosing a security-first OS is also wise... OpenBSD is my current favourite.
jagged_circle
in reply to AnotherDirtyAnglo • • •atro_city
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •nieminen
in reply to atro_city • • •nieminen
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Midnight1938
in reply to nieminen • • •nieminen
in reply to Midnight1938 • • •Midnight1938
in reply to nieminen • • •Duamerthrax
in reply to Midnight1938 • • •nieminen
in reply to Duamerthrax • • •Duamerthrax
in reply to nieminen • • •That's aside from the point I was making. Some people might be thinking that Proton is cozying up to Trump to avoid getting unfavorable treatment from his admin and they don't really like him, but they're out of Trump's reach, so that can't be the motivator.
No matter what angle, Andy Yen is just dumb.
Ensign_Crab
in reply to Midnight1938 • • •gubblebumbum
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •lightnsfw
in reply to radioactivefunguy • • •XCraftMC
in reply to radioactivefunguy • • •sudoer777
in reply to XCraftMC • • •Best Mullvad Alternatives For Better Servers and Speed
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in reply to sudoer777 • • •Imhotep
in reply to radioactivefunguy • • •container as in docker?
I know very little about this but I've used gluetun and it's great
github.com/qdm12/gluetun
it supports a lot of VPN providers
GitHub - qdm12/gluetun: VPN client in a thin Docker container for multiple VPN providers, written in Go, and using OpenVPN or Wireguard, DNS over TLS, with a few proxy servers built-in.
GitHubradioactivefunguy
in reply to Imhotep • • •Yup, that's the one I use in a few projects. I also run torrent software/soulseek in containers that use OpenVPN config files directly which is both simple to setup and very secure in terms of IP leaks.
I just switched over to AirVPN, so now I just need to generate new config files and go switch them out for all the affected containers
usrtrv
in reply to radioactivefunguy • • •phx
in reply to usrtrv • • •radioactivefunguy
in reply to usrtrv • • •Rogue
in reply to radioactivefunguy • • •radioactivefunguy
in reply to Rogue • • •radioactivefunguy
in reply to Rogue • • •Update: I just signed up for AirVPN, but speeds are very slow. With both Nord and Proton, spp d tests come back at ~800/700 on my gigabit fiber. The fastest AirVPN server I've found is 60/10, most are 10/10.
Is this normal in your experience (just a slow VPN service) or do you know of anything I can do to get faster speeds? (I'm using the Eddie client on windows)
Sam_Bass
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •jagged_circle
in reply to Sam_Bass • • •TheLowestStone
in reply to jagged_circle • • •Lovable Sidekick
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •jagged_circle
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Link to the source.
Please dont post screenshots of text. Link to the source
ShotDonkey
in reply to jagged_circle • • •jagged_circle
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •emmy67
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •refalo
in reply to emmy67 • • •emmy67
in reply to refalo • • •_cryptagion [he/him]
in reply to emmy67 • • •refalo
in reply to emmy67 • • •emmy67
in reply to refalo • • •Yeah, Trump is known to deal kindly with those who have different opinions.
Congrats on the self own
flames5123
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Sure. That’s exactly why small businesses thrive in democrat cities, right? And exactly why more small business popped up under Biden, right?
Gimme a break. People are so blind and dumb.
sudneo
in reply to flames5123 • • •nyctre
in reply to sudneo • • •sudneo
in reply to nyctre • • •The context is so clearly big tech and monopolies that I feel silly even pointing it out. It's relevant in the context of the quoted tweet, it's obvious considering what proton is and does, it's consistent with opinions previously expressed by the same guy on antitrust. The little guy here is opposed to "big businesses".
Like no, this conversation is absolutely scoped to big tech/monopolies/antitrust.
nyctre
in reply to sudneo • • •sudneo
in reply to nyctre • • •Because it's so obvious given the rest of the context? I don't know, but unless you want to intentionally misunderstand to critique him on things he quite clearly didn't mean, it makes no sense to assume that:
- a tech ceo
- of a company based in Switzerland
- of a company that is a direct competitor of US tech monopolies
- citing a tweet about antitrust
- who spoke before about the very same topic of antitrust and monopolies in tech
Is talking about big and small business in general in the US economy. Honestly, to me is obvious, maybe the above is not enough for you, in that case I will leave you to your opinion.
Edit:
See reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/commen… where he mentions:
nyctre
in reply to sudneo • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to flames5123 • • •It's just crazy to use "10 years ago" as a break point when the overwhelming majority of these people are in the same jobs.
To borrow a quote from the illustrious President Biden, "Nothing will fundamentally change"
quant
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •el_eh_chase
in reply to quant • • •Kalistia
in reply to quant • • •refalo
in reply to Kalistia • • •I don't think it is possible.
I also think people are blowing this WAY out of proportion and don't even realize their own hypocrisy.
Extreme example: Jewish people happily drive Ford cars, even though Henry Ford was the only American mentioned in Mein Kampf, specifically for his hatred of Jews.
0ops
in reply to refalo • • •Croquette
in reply to quant • • •Politics are mixed with everything.
In that case, I see this as speak with your wallet moment. That statement has done it for me and I am dropping proton for Tuta or something else.
jagged_circle
Unknown parent • • •This. Fuck Trump, but he does occasionally do good things, even if for all the wrong reasons. NAFTA was terrible for labour. That's not why he hated it, though.
And taxing imported oil is great. Though we need to tax or ban domestic carbon extraction too.
b000rg
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Zink
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •sudneo
in reply to LoudWaterHombre • • •Andy Yen, CEO Of Proton, On The Tech Giants That Dominate The Internet, The Web’s Future And Bitcoin
Roger Huang (Forbes)Boy of Soy
Unknown parent • • •Phoenixz
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •So Proton is out.
Sorry, I won't trust a service that licks fascist boots.
CH3DD4R_G0B-L1N
in reply to Phoenixz • • •Doomsider
in reply to Phoenixz • • •I was about to pull the trigger on Proton. Good to know, I will never use this service now.
This also reinforces my belief that email should be provided by the government. If they are going to spy on me anyways might as well give it straight to them.
I am sick of private companies providing the primary way we communicate when they can kick you off their platform because they think you look funny.
italics2
in reply to Phoenixz • • •lennivelkant
in reply to italics2 • • •Stopped clocks and all, they're still endorsing an absolute shithead over one issue that he hasn't even actually delivered on, but who has good reason to insist on authoritarian surveillance measures.
If you care about privacy, betting on companies that suck up to Authoritarians is a bad idea.
Tja
in reply to italics2 • • •golden_zealot
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Scrollone
in reply to golden_zealot • • •Damn, I'd like to switch provider, but I can't stand the UX of Tuta.
Any other cheap & bring-your-own-domain alternative?
tensor_nightly69
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in reply to pfr • • •“They are is no way…”?
pfr
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Proton (@protonprivacy@mastodon.social)
Mastodonvale
in reply to No_Eponym • • •Scrollone
in reply to No_Eponym • • •Ahh that's why I couldn't open the link in OP.
Good job Proton, you lost a customer today. Now I just have to find a new provider.
DankOfAmerica
Unknown parent • • •khaleer
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Good I never felt for anything more than their email.
sudoer777
Unknown parent • • •Johanno
Unknown parent • • •So apparently mullvad and windscribe are the best ones people use.
And I am using windscribe no problem.
~~It is however not as good integrated in Linux as nordvpn.~~ But it's a lot cheaper.
Edit: only on nixos you don't have the app.
Jay🚩
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Agent641
in reply to Jay🚩 • • •Jay🚩
in reply to Agent641 • • •Make your own VPN - FreeBSD, Wireguard, ipv6 and ad-blocking included
Stefano Marinelli (IT Notes)Agent641
in reply to Jay🚩 • • •But does this only create one node, or does it create dozens of them in each country?
Because I use a VPN so I can have anonymous exit nodes in whatever country I want. Happy to be corrected, but I don't think that's self-hostable.
Jay🚩
in reply to Agent641 • • •InternetCitizen2
in reply to Jay🚩 • • •krolden
in reply to Agent641 • • •You can get a lot of really cheap vps boxes around the world (~$1/mo). You could manage them all with something like ansible.
Get one in each continent and you're paying about the same you would be for a vpn provide plus whatever time you invest into it.
check out serverhunter.com/
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serverhunter.comTja
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Unknown parent • • •R3dP1ll
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Could we have an Europe Elon Free, an Europe Zuck Free, and Swiss Proton Free...?!
italics2
in reply to R3dP1ll • • •No it is not. Not even close.
R3dP1ll
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •LifeInMultipleChoice
in reply to TheFrirish • • •Guy is anti union, anti strikes, anti publically accessible healthcare, anti cheaper healthcare, anti snap, anti helping the homeless, anti paying overtime, and pro taxing the populous via tariffs while lowering taxes for the ultra rich. He doesn't want regulations on price gouging/increases for food, housing....
For the working class how?
Fucking joke that people think anything he does is for them
Edit: throw in, against VA funding and shits on the military just about anytime he doesn't get exactly what he wants
Olgratin_Magmatoe
in reply to LifeInMultipleChoice • • •LifeInMultipleChoice
in reply to Olgratin_Magmatoe • • •TheFrirish
in reply to LifeInMultipleChoice • • •sudneo
in reply to LifeInMultipleChoice • • •From one of Andy's comments on Reddit.
So the target of that sentence is not "the working class", and the conversation is way more specific about tech/monopolies.
Rogue
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Does anyone have links to the dumpster fire of a reddit thread in one or the Proton subs? There was also one of r/privacy but I can't find either so suspect they've been deleted to try to quell the flames.
It was very entertaining drama
Ketram
in reply to Rogue • • •Rogue
in reply to Ketram • • •Somebody had posted the link elsewhere in this thread. I'd been mistakenly searching u/ProtonSupportTeam for the offending comments rather than u/ProtonTeam
old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/co…
Here's the r/privacy thread which summarised all the drama, including pointing out all the comments Proton mods were deleting and censoring in their own sub. Then true to form the r/privacy mods deleted the thread: reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/…
Ketram
in reply to Rogue • • •kepix
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Oh FFS, and here I was recently considering switching to ProtonMail... fuck the fuck off.
Dear CEOs: if you're eager to suck dick, I'm sure you can find someone better than authoritarian shitheads. Have some fucking standards.
forensic_potato
in reply to glimse • • •Meet the team behind Proton | Proton
Protonforensic_potato
Unknown parent • • •Yes he is. You are factually incorrect. You can see it from their official page too
Meet the team behind Proton | Proton
ProtonLifeInMultipleChoice
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Unknown parent • • •Johanno
in reply to LifeInMultipleChoice • • •Openvp works fine.
No you are not.
As long as you don't use Nixos windscribe is even better than nordvpn. I just remembered my problem is my os and not only the app.
For mullvad idk. I used it for a month for testing and it worked fine with openvpn. I didn't use any app.
nwilz
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Jarix
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •Just some advice for all of you affected by this.
Begin demanding a response from the ownership of this company.
"Is this Message approved by your board, and owners"
Just leaving doesnt make a difference, and some of you in the comments bought services right before this. That fucking sucks.
We dont have journalists and media on our side to help any more(arguably we never did, but that's a separate discussion)
I think there are still good bones in Proton, but you know where at least one piece cancer is, and its in the worst spot. Demand as stakeholders that they remove the cancer or admit its not going to happen. Repeat your messages until they publicy respond as a company not just the head of it.
Its a shame if you dont do at least as much as expressing that they owe you an explanation and that you need the company as a whole, to why this had happened
This is a betrayal to many of you, tell them exactly what they need to do
Good luck. It only takes one of you to suceed and we all win
sudneo
in reply to Jarix • • •He already clarifies that it's his personal opinion and not a company position, which has the policy to maintain political neutrality (whatever that means), which is the reason why they deleted replies from official accounts.
See the reddit post he did or his comments.
On what ground anybody should demand his removal? Based on a personal opinion expressed on twitter, which is at most a naive speculation of what the Trump administration will do in the area of antitrust and big tech?
lambalicious
in reply to Jarix • • •Didn't the board already post in full support of this fucker, then try to delete the post for PR damage control?
Jarix
in reply to lambalicious • • •sudneo
in reply to lambalicious • • •No.
All that happened is that the official social media account on mastodon and reddit reposted what was Andy's reply as an official message. It was some internal fuck up apparently, and that's why they deleted it.
Even in the worst case scenario, the board has nothing to do with it, because this would be the Proton company, not the nonprofit (which controls the company).
Please, don't make stuff up...
DegenerationIP
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •What is a good alternative for Mail? I'm mostly for Proton because of Data security and Mail aliases. But this move is actually concerning.
Yes, I know the background behind it.
fstrelok
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •sudneo
in reply to lambalicious • • •Do you realize that this means supporting an ad-driven business model (in general, for proton your ability to use the services for free is thanks to paying users), which in turns is what incentives data collection and privacy violations, right?
Also mail has a slightly higher moving cost than other services, where "changing" is usually three clicks to cancel the subscription and be done with it.
So my take is that (if you can afford it) paying for services incentivises healthy business models for services, that helps develop tools that don't harm users (to serve advertisers). The alternative is worse than paying money to a company with a guy who expressed an opinion we disagree with IMHO, but you do you.
lambalicious
in reply to sudneo • • •Not really, or rather it's not me doing it. Free tier does not really incentivize data collection, nowadays even the business where you are paying still collect and sell information about you and you can't trust they are not doing so (or turn heel behind your back) without high level access to their infrastructure.
I use free tier services; that signals that if you want to get my money, you have to do lots more than simply have a mouth to run. Some of those services have managed to prove their worth to my satisfaction, and deserved my payment, such as SDF which is where I have an account on, but even then I avoid subs and prefer one-time payments instead. But they are a minority (trust is not to be handed over freely) and Proton just squandered any chance of ever making the list.
sudneo
in reply to lambalicious • • •How do you think a company should pay for your free tear service?
If you give your marginal market signal that you are not available to pay for services, companies will use business models that don't rely on that.
Also it's self-absolution to say that even companies you pay snoop on you. There are many serious companies that offer great services for a price and respect your privacy, because it's their interest to do so. Proton, kagi but even Garmin for example.
I understand, but this simply doesn't make sense for services that have running costs forever. A pay-as-you-go model or subscription makes more sense here.
In general
It doesn't. It only signals you are not available to pay their current price for that service. For most companies the only option is to get the money from someone else, for example selling your data.
As a user who cares about privacy, we should incentivise healthy business models that allow us to pay with out money and not with our data. Stopping to do this in principle ("I avoid paying for a service if I can") because the CEO expresses an opinion you disagree with seems just fishing for a justification.
Of course your money are yours and you do what you want, but don't be surprised when there are no good privacy respecting services to choose from.
ShotDonkey
in reply to lambalicious • • •MrMeanJavaBean
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in reply to MrMeanJavaBean • • •Anna
in reply to ShotDonkey • • •OK let me add fuel to the fire. here in Andy's response he says the tweet was from last year which is technically true but it was from December 2024.
Also how can he think that Trump stands for little guys when he has elon musk as his pet monkey
ShotDonkey
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in reply to mm_maybe • • •Tuta: Turn ON privacy for free with secure emails, calendars & contacts | Tuta
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in reply to ShotDonkey • • •im sorry i broke the code
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