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The Linux Experiment

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The Linux Experiment
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I'm ditching Firefox & Mozilla, and I think you should too...

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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:38 Sponsor: TuxCare
02:11 Terms of Service
06:39 Mozilla's Explanation
08:06 Data sales mention removal
09:43 It all leads to AI
12:00 All the other shady stuff
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#firefox #mozillafirefox #mozilla

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Wordstitcher

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

I've seen no viable alternative for my old Windows 8 OS.Linux, sure, there are options, and I use them.

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Cătă

in reply to Wordstitcher • 6 mesi fa da Not sent from my iPhone (I don't have one) • •

@Wordstitcher I didn't see any viable alternatives to Windows 7 either, but I still moved to Linux. Why? It's an OS that is supported, that I am getting security updates for, that I can be sure it will work on newer hardware without any headaches about drivers and so on. All Windows versions are gradually losing software support, so you're either using software knowing that some bugs are out there that will never see a fix for your OS, or you stop using it (either willingly, or if the manufacturer displays some sort of please upgrade your OS screen that blocks you from using their software outright).

Plus, it's open source, so everyone can contribute to the development and make it better.

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Emil Jacobs - Collectifission

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

I completely agree with your assessment. Their backtracking feels too little, too late. I've switched to Librewolf myself. No regrets.

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CreatingMachines

in reply to Emil Jacobs - Collectifission • 6 mesi fa • •

Same. Librewolf also felt surprisingly solid, and is making me realize that that didn't really use a lot of Firefox's features.

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Emil Jacobs - Collectifission

in reply to CreatingMachines • 6 mesi fa • •

Reading your post, I realised Librewolf doesn't have Pocket. Glad to have that minor annoyance I never used out of the way 🙂

@thelinuxexperiment

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Sco

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

This definitly gave me concern. I dont want to say how hard their woe are or are not in funding. BUT, they do seem to be veering away from their mission statement, and what we trust them to do.

I have been using LibreWolf, and not really had complaints. Especially since I found out you can ask that a specific site remember your login. Might switch to that. But I'm definitly looking at replacements now.

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Ein Köhler

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

thanks for the video and publishing on #peertube !

I'm planning to move on from firefox as well, but i'm not quite there yet -_-

#PeerTube

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Od-Nan Kenobi

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

I've considered switching away from Firefox a few times now. But something always bothers me: if eventually Mozilla does go under, can the Firefox forks sustain themselves? Do any of them has enough developing capabilities to mantain the base engine with all the security fixes and big development efforts that a modern browser requires? Do we have other viable options?Because if not, for me it really feels hopeless to switch away if all of them are going to die if Mozilla does

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AlexsandraSmart

in reply to Od-Nan Kenobi • 6 mesi fa • •

The people working on Firefox for Mozilla will need new jobs when it collapses. That's precisely when the forks will need new staff. It's just a matter of financing.

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Od-Nan Kenobi

in reply to AlexsandraSmart • 6 mesi fa • •

That's true. If this does end up happening, I hope some of the forks have a solid business model to stay afloat and fund development, be it donations (like Thunderbird did very successfuly) or something else entirely. It might just come down to acquiring funds and community support and adoption, both from users and distros

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Daniel Casanueva

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

I share your sentiment. I also moved out of #Mozilla stuff.

#mozilla

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Emmanuel Aerssens

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

And replace it with…. ?

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vaguerant

in reply to Emmanuel Aerssens • 6 mesi fa • •

Nick indicates at 15:12 in the video that they'll be using Floorp, but that wasn't a specific recommendation for what viewers should do. A few alternatives get namechecks: LibreWolf, Mullvad Browser and Waterfox.

Floorp Browser

Floorp is a new Firefox based browser from Japan with excellent privacy & flexibility.

^floorp.app

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Penelope Gwen

in reply to Emmanuel Aerssens • 6 mesi fa • •

it'll depend on your needs, but LibreWolf has been a stellar drop-in replacement for me.

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Saugas

in reply to Emmanuel Aerssens • 6 mesi fa • •

@Emmanuel Aerssens I use Falkon. I only have two problems. The first is video tearing when playing fullscreen (only on the flatpak version) and the second is DRM support (ok ok - it is the feature, not the bug 😉).

@Emmanuel Aerssens

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Fossery Tech

in reply to Saugas • 6 mesi fa • •

if only Falkon had uBlock Origin... It would be one of my favorite browsers

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Saugas

in reply to Fossery Tech • 6 mesi fa • •

@Fossery Tech
Falkon has its own ad blocker

@Fossery Tech

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MrTHF

in reply to Emmanuel Aerssens • 6 mesi fa • •

for now, Firefox forks, but it would be wise to start paying attention (and contributing) to the development of Basilisk and Ladybird

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impromptux

in reply to MrTHF • 6 mesi fa • •

There is also Servo that is already working even if it is not fully complete.

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RandomUsername

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Tried chromium based browsers but all of them not so smooth on linux. Moved to Librewolf. Same Firefox but with better privacy. Like it so far!

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Penelope Gwen

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

@thelinuxexperiment@tilvids.com very happy to hear you express many of the concerns I share. I was worried that I might be too paranoid after seeing some other creators speaking in Mozilla's defense. I love that there's an alternative to Chromium, and I think that's important, but I can't in good conscious recommend FireFox to others nor use it for myself.

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jakofields

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Been there, done that.

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Zzepish

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Oh, wow. Firefox went a wrong direction 🙁 that is sad. And also it builds shady reputation to brave browser, imho

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Chris

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

I found Zen Browser (based on Firefox) to be a great replacement if you like vertical tabs.

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Waitwut

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Hi @thelinuxexperiment & Chat .

Would a paid plan be feasible?
Is it even a matter of money?
Would you pay for a browser?

Ehhh. I mean I use a paid search engine and I am happy with that solution. Is the current market interested/ready for a paid browser? I just wonder about these changes in their approach. Mozilla really needs to be very clear in their communication.

@The Linux Experiment

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atro_city

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Yep, bye bye Mozilla. I hope you get replaced by a real community browser that doesn't accept Google money.

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Fossery Tech

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Well, I haven't trusted Mozilla for a long time because of their partnership with Google. Yes, search engine can be changed in settings, but who knows what data they share with Google. I've been using LibreWolf (and sometimes Brave if I need a Chromium browser because of some ignorant web devs...) for a long time, and this move from Mozilla justified my choice even further, thanks Mozilla... lol
Some people say that "Firefox is still better than Chrome, so it's good for normies to switch away from Chrome, it's the easiest choice for them". Guess what? LibreWolf is just as easy to use, you just need to download a separate updater on Windows, on Linux you have repos for it. If you don't want it to delete cookies for some websites at close, just add those sites to exceptions in privacy settings, or set to keep all cookies. Or if you're too lazy to do that, use Brave, it's also a better choice than Firefox at this point, even with their crypto bs

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Taylor Swift

in reply to Fossery Tech • 3 mesi fa • •

use brave its also...

Is it? abd when the world learn by \Trump that we need to reinvent democracy and therefor, like me, blocks all acces for anything Alphabet?

That's the oposet of ignorent admins... that's admins that cares about other and their human right to surfe provatly online

So please, thinks about Braves history one more time before installing it.. I know I would! And don\t forget to monitor all the trackers it connects to, just when you oprns it its first time :>)

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tracy anne

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Well I disagree. I'm sticking with Firefox.

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Montegasppα Cacilhας

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Whenever we think Mozilla is now getting straight again, they do something stinky. I believe that it may have something to do with fighting back Alphabet, but not with my data! Honesty is long gone apparently…

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Montegasppα Cacilhας

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

I just don’t know what to use in place of Thunderbird. I’ve been using Betterbird… I’m not sure it’s enough detached from Mozilla though.

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Saugas

in reply to Montegasppα Cacilhας • 6 mesi fa • •

@Montegasppα Cacilhας I've been using ClawsMail for about twenty years. It might not be for everyone, but it's very stable and lightweight.

@Montegasppα Cacilhας

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Talya (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️✡️

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

it's worth mentioning that the version of the terms you quoted in the video is the *later* version. the original one did not have the sentence about them not owning your data.
this is not something you do by mistake. these are terms of service, they are written by actual lawyers. this is intentional.
i'm moving to librewolf.

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Jane Doe

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Thank you very much!

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lebout2canap ⏚

Unknown parent • 6 mesi fa • •

From blog.mozilla.org/en/products/f… page: “We’re introducing a Terms of Use for Firefox for the first time”.

@thelinuxexperiment

Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

We’re introducing a Terms of Use for Firefox for the first time, along with an updated Privacy Notice.

^{Kristina Bravo (The Mozilla Blog)}

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magnus

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Their “explanation” starts out with textbook gaslighting, saying we must be confused. And they go on to repeat the vague language in their AUP without actually clarifying anything.

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Cătă

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa da Not sent from my iPhone (I don't have one) • •

@The Linux Experiment I finally switched. I got used to Firefox because it was also installed in every distro I tried - so I didn't have to bother with installing some extra stuff, and also because I just wanted to keep the defaults and use the distros the way the creators envisioned them (this also applied to my phones and the Windows PCs I seldomly had). I did decide however to switch this time, not only because of the issues Mozilla had with their services, but also because I wanted a European alternative given the current political situation in the US. So I've settled on @LibreWolf, which is made in Germany. It is a reskinned version of Firefox, but neither the other browsers are different - pretty much every single other browser these days is either based on Firefox or Chrome (except if you're on Apple products). It is what it is.

@The Linux Experiment @LibreWolf

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Laurens 🐐

in reply to Cătă • 6 mesi fa • •

LibreWolf matches my Firefox installation 1-on-1, including all add-ons and settings. It took me around 10 minutes to switch over.

I imported my bookmarks and add-ons through my Mozilla account, which was convenient, but they can also be copied from the profile folder if one doesn't want to use the account option.

And I personally don't notice any difference between the two in use, which I like very much. So I would recommend LibreWolf as well.

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Cătă

in reply to Laurens 🐐 • 6 mesi fa da Not sent from my iPhone (I don't have one) • •

@Laurens 🐐 Yeah, having the account option makes it all so smooth. Although I've started using floccus specifically for making myself browser independent when it comes to switching, it still doesn't support history syncing and the Firefox account also allows you to sync your settings and addons too.

I did spend a whole evening with the switch, though, as I wasn't aware it was deleting the cookies every time I was closing the window. Plus, I also had some about:config modifications that did not get synced over, so I had to do them all over again.

Also, the settings sync affected my Firefox installation too, which was also now deleting cookies by default (I still have some tabs left and I wanna finish consuming that content first).

All in all I am still happy with the switch, and yes, largely the difference is unnoticeable.

@The Linux Experiment @LibreWolf

@The Linux Experiment @Laurens 🐐 @LibreWolf

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Platinum Lucario

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

While the worst hasn't happened yet, I'm well aware that what's happening in Mozilla, when there's bad PR communication, it also means really poor management as well within the organisation as well.

So you're probably wondering, what should we do? Well, we can switch to a Firefox fork, but that won't stop the corruption that's happening within Mozilla itself.

In order to stop the corruption within Mozilla, it needs to be stopped by community members, like you, and me, and pretty much anyone who's been using Mozilla or any of their software. We need to FORCE the corrupt Mozilla board members out of management. This is the only way to turn this ship around and to STOP Mozilla from turning into a for-profit business and being sold to some private equity firm or some other for-profit business.

We have to STOP these board members, SHUT DOWN all of the AI stuff, and bring the organisation back to its welcoming, friendly and privacy respecting ways that it used to be.

And some of it's privacy respecting stuff may be there, it's dying from a thousand cuts from the corrupt board members. We have to STOP them! It's the only way to save Mozilla now.

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Platinum Lucario

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

@thelinuxexperiment While the worst hasn't happened yet, I'm well aware that what's happening in Mozilla, when there's bad PR communication, it also means really poor management as well within the organisation as well.

So you're probably wondering, what should we do? Well, we can switch to a Firefox fork, but that won't stop the corruption that's happening within Mozilla itself.

We have to STOP these board members, SHUT DOWN all of the AI stuff, and bring the organisation back to its welcoming, friendly and privacy respecting ways that it used to be.

And some of it's privacy respecting stuff may be there, it's dying from a thousand cuts from the corrupt board members. We have to STOP them! It's the only way to save Mozilla now.

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Platinum Lucario

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

So you're probably wondering, what should we do? Well, we can switch to a Firefox fork, but that won't stop the corruption that's happening within Mozilla itself. The corrupt managers are fiddling with the books.

We have to STOP these board members, SHUT DOWN all of the AI stuff, and bring the organisation back to its welcoming, friendly and privacy respecting ways that it used to be.

And some of it's privacy respecting stuff may be there, it's dying from a thousand cuts from the corrupt board members. We have to STOP them! It's the only way to save Mozilla now.

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danslesvolcans

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

Bonjour Nick @thelinuxexperiment
Merci pour cette vidéo !
Par quel logiciel as-tu remplacé thunderbird ?

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Jan Korbel 🐧

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 6 mesi fa • •

I've supported and used Firefox since the Phoenix days. But in the last year I gave up because of their long-term enshittification. I currently use Librewolf and am happy.
Btw don't like chrom* based browsers because of Google and their own level of enshittification: contrachrome.com

Contra Chrome – a webcomic – How Google's browser became a threat to privacy and democracy

^{contrachrome.com}

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Remy Rose

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 5 mesi fa • •

I've been enjoying LibreWolf for a while now, but how much danger are all the firefox forks in if Mozilla keeps getting worse? Can they keep functioning without Firefox? Can't wait for Ladybird to get here... Are there any other alternative engines out there?

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emon

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 5 mesi fa • •

yeah those new #firefox tos are like smells of smoke before you see the fire.
In this case it smells AI before you see the shit.

#firefox

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Spirillen

in reply to The Linux Experiment • 3 mesi fa • •

Now some have mentioned both WaterFall and Zen Browser, and they both claim to "Privacy" oriented and "we do not collect any data on you" maybe not, but they sure ensure Cloudflare do collect you PII data...

And this PeerTube is ALL GOOGLE as the domain is registered at googledomains.com and you are talking about privacy concerns...

bash tilvids.com. 21011 IN NS ns-cloud-d1.googledomains.com. tilvids.com. 21011 IN NS ns-cloud-d4.googledomains.com. tilvids.com. 21011 IN NS ns-cloud-d3.googledomains.com. tilvids.com. 21011 IN NS ns-cloud-d2.googledomains.com. 

bash zen-browser.app. 1668 IN A 172.67.73.96 zen-browser.app. 1668 IN A 104.26.4.92 zen-browser.app. 1668 IN A 104.26.5.92 

bash www.waterfox.net. 1738 IN A 172.67.43.192 www.waterfox.net. 1738 IN A 104.22.38.229 www.waterfox.net. 1738 IN A 104.22.39.229 

bash NetRange: 172.64.0.0 - 172.71.255.255 CIDR: 172.64.0.0/13 NetName: CLOUDFLARENET 

So lets continue the search for privacy

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