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It's much too early to ask us when we'll have support for the new Pixel 10 phones. They're only available for preorder. We need to have access to the devices and factory images before we can start working on this. If the new Pixels still provide proper alternate OS support, we can support them.

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in reply to GrapheneOS

It will be significantly more work than usual to support the new Pixel 10 phones since Android 16 removed the Pixel device trees from the Android Open Source Project. However, that was already only part of what we need for device support and we worked around it by expanding our automated tooling.
in reply to GrapheneOS

We'll be able to use our automated tooling to support the new Pixel 10 devices as long as they still provide proper support for installing another OS with all of the security features supported. We have no reason to believe that's not supported anymore. It's just going to be significantly more work.
in reply to GrapheneOS

Pixel 10 also has much more significant hardware changes than the Pixel 6a through Pixel 9a we added easily. We don't know how long it's going to take yet. We can't estimate that until a while after we've started working on it. We can't start working on it until we have the devices and images.
in reply to GrapheneOS

Was very much looking forward to having Google's Material You 3 redesign. Can I expect them in future updates?
in reply to GrapheneOS

this "if" worries me.
Because if not, I'm stuck with my current pixel for the next years and then I don't know what to do afterwards.
in reply to Okuna

@Okuna We expect there will be devices with official GrapheneOS support within a couple years, but we can hopefully also continue supporting future Pixels.
in reply to GrapheneOS

the question you have raised and I think I understand is always if the devices support your security posture.
I'm dreaming of a phone made in Europe with an OS like yours, that would be awesome.
in reply to Okuna

@Okuna I don't think a buyable smartphone exists in made in Europe, or at least European union + UK because a Russian smartphone could exist.
I am also dreaming of a made in Europe smartphone but when we look at the price of Librem phone in made in USA, I am not ready for it...
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in reply to Daniel

@Okuna and the Librem isn't impressive by just look at the hardware so a modern high end phone made in Europe or USA will cost thousands and thousands
in reply to Daniel

@DanielDNK @Okuna Librem 5 has atrocious security due to the choices for components and how they put things together themselves. It lacks basic security updates for firmware and that's intentional. They purposely chose less secure components and avoided being able to update them from the OS as much as they could.

Both the PinePhone and Librem 5 are falsely marketed as being open source when that's not the case. Both are almost entirely closed source hardware with closed source firmware.

in reply to GrapheneOS

@DanielDNK @Okuna You can't infer much from the cost of that device because the price isn't based on the hardware components or cost of manufacturing it. It's based on it being marketed as being something it isn't. People aren't buying it because it's reasonable hardware but rather because they were misled about what it provides. Reality is that it's closed source with atrocious privacy and security. Kill switches do not make up for it and they made the audio recording one incorrectly anyway.
in reply to GrapheneOS

@Okuna i dont see the link between the price difference between the normal Librem phone and the made in USA one. I was only using it as an example of a smartphone price illustration between the made in China version and the made in USA version, the rest is out of subject, the Librem is for those who want to have fun and develop app for the Linux mobile world.

Just in term of price and specification, buy an used pixel 3a and put PostmarketOS or UbuntuTouch is so much cheaper and so much powerful to have a test phone for development purposes.

You cannot compare experimental Linux phone of an experimental company with Android ROM for daily use, it make no sense.

in reply to Daniel

@DanielDNK @Okuna

> the Librem is for those who want to have fun and develop app for the Linux mobile world

Librem devices lack basic security updates and aren't safe devices.

Android is Linux mobile. It's not systemd, glibc and GNOME which makes it Linux.

> used pixel 3a

These launched with 3 years of support instead of 7 and are end-of-life, which means lacking firmware updates.

> for development purposes

Hopefully without connecting it to the internet due to unpatched remote holes.

in reply to GrapheneOS

@DanielDNK @Okuna

> You cannot compare experimental Linux phone of an experimental company with Android ROM for daily use, it make no sense.

Librem 5 is not an experimental device and Purism is not an experimental company. It's a for-profit company selling people products for production usage. The products have atrocious privacy and security along with not being open source as they frequently claim.

The term "Android ROM" is inaccurate. GrapheneOS is an operating system, as is the stock OS.

in reply to GrapheneOS

@Okuna when I watch the Linus Tech Tips or Short Circuit video, it make it more sense for me to call it experimental
in reply to Daniel

@DanielDNK @Okuna It's sold as a product for production usage. It's not experimental. Linux on mobile is already the norm. Android is a Linux distribution. GNOME, systemd, glibc, etc. on mobile is not the norm but that's not what Linux means. GNOME, glibc and most of the other parts of that traditional desktop Linux software stack are not Linux specific software. Android's userspace is in fact Linux specific rather than also being able to be used with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Hurd, etc.
in reply to GrapheneOS

@Okuna by just comparing the same version of the phone but just a different production country, I remove all of what you are talking about for just doing an apple to apple comparison.
They are the only one to produce a smartphone made in USA so I personally have nothing better for the comparison.

If you discover this made in USA phone, here is the link
puri.sm/products/liberty-phone…

in reply to Daniel

@DanielDNK @Okuna

> by just comparing the same version of the phone but just a different production country, I remove all of what you are talking about for just doing an apple to apple comparison.

You don't know what their profit margins are on either variant. USA variant likely has a much higher profit margin. It's a gimmick.

> only one to produce a smartphone made in USA

It's assembled in the USA. Nearly all of the components are produced elsewhere. The complex parts are done elsewhere.