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Some are asking: why does privacy-focused Organic Maps use GitHub? The largest open-source contributor network, familiar PR & issue workflow, Actions CI, broad integrations, zero infra to maintain, and easy onboarding/discoverability. This lets us focus on improving the app instead of running and maintaining servers. Development time is the most precious resource nowadays, and most of our users don't care where the code is hosted, but care about the app functionality and usabilityβ¦
Do you care?
Do you care?
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in reply to Organic Maps • • •@tobru That βburden of migrationβ you're rightly complaining about is the exact lock-in effect that the whole #GiveUpGithub discussion is centred around! Migrating issues and PRs isn't a hassle because @Codeberg is shit, but because GitHub try their very best to add as much friction as necessary to stop you from leaving.
Forgejo (the platform powering Codeberg) is actively working on federation, i.e. the diametric opposite to lock-in.
If you can't bother to use privacy-respecting open-source tools, why do you develop a privacy-respecting open-source app in the first place?
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in reply to n0toose • • •@tobru @Codeberg @CoMaps sorry, but like "Do you care?" and "doesn't take reality into account" is some very weird ragebaiting lol
life's short, do whatever
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in reply to wakest β • • •Jan Vlug
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Wow, thanks for this info! I did not know this. What other reason would you need to move away from Github?
@n0toose @organicmaps @tobru @Codeberg @CoMaps
Matthias
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Always come back to the community.
raboof
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Jan Vlug
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Thanks for developing Organic Maps!
I do care a lot about preventing vendor lock-in and a Free and Open Source software development environment (Git forge). In general, I'm willing to accept some inconvenience for having freedom.
I would applaud it if Organic Maps moved to @Codeberg
In this way the Free and Open Source Software development ecosystem would be strengthened.
#vendorlockin #opensource #FOSS #DigitalSovereignty #digitalautonomy
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in reply to Jan Vlug • • •Jan Vlug
in reply to Organic Maps • • •@Codeberg
By using a proprietary platform, you are indirectly strengthening and endorsing it. There is a risk of using parts of GitHub that are not directly related to Git. For example the CI/CD-pipelines, issue tracking, milestone management, and package registries.
I did not look into the Organic Maps specifics here. But the whole Codeberg fundamental philosophy is very aligned to the one of Organic Maps, in contrast to the GitHub business model.
See:
codeberg.org/about
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in reply to Jan Vlug • • •Speaking of GitHubβs business model.
Recently the GitHub CEO βstepped downβ and Microsoft fully integrates the previously βindependent companyβ into their AI division to build βan AI platform for Microsoft and its customers.β
it-daily.net/en/shortnews-en/gβ¦
GitHub CEO leaves - Microsoft fully integrates platform
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in reply to Organic Maps • • •@janvlug @Codeberg I also care and would love more FOSS projects to move off Github. In terms of lock in, the argument seems to be that you don't need to move yet because it would be easy to move, in a thread where you are arguing it would be too much of a hassle to move.
The lock in is in the momentum of moving users/communities where Github has an outsized advantage, making people feel trapped in the ecosystem regardless of their feelings of Microsoft/etc.
Though I am not a contributor on this project, and while I prefer to not use Github, it is probably more fair to be a decision for contributors who have more stake in it?
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Alexandre Oliva
in reply to Organic Maps • • •git guarantees that out of the box only for the code revision history. try migrating "PR & issue workflow, Actions CI, broad integrations" out of github to realize how locked-in you got yourself already.
CC: @janvlug@mastodon.social @Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de
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daltux
in reply to Alexandre Oliva • • •Most users will probably use Google Maps and Waze because they provide the most convenience. I do care about #SoftwareFreedom.
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in reply to Organic Maps • • •Felipe
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Rihards Olups
in reply to Organic Maps • • •@janvlug @Codeberg
There's some dissonance here. In another post you talk about having Github issues, and here you talk about git only.
I don't have as strong preferences for/against Github as many here, just observing that your PR with this thread has been really good - for other projects.
With this being Sunday, was the thread inspired by some party-like events? π
Patrick Laimbock
in reply to Jan Vlug • • •Organic Maps Forked Over Governance Concerns: CoMaps is Born
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Pascal Dietrich
in reply to Jan Vlug • • •Take a look at @CoMaps
It is a OrganicMaps fork which is on #Codeberg
Nelson
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Yes I care, get off GitHub you dweebs. Are you really coming down on the side of apathy?
You really want to support MechaHitler? GitHub partnering with xAI is really the last straw, although maybe we all should have bailed earlier, due to previous ethical failures like partnering with ICE.
If you're worried about running your own servers, work with Codeberg or any other existing forge.
Matt Wilcox
in reply to Organic Maps • • •I donβt care no. As long as you maintain control, the rest is preferences.
Philosophically there are βbetterβ options; but in practical terms if you follow those youβll nerf potential contributors because; like it or not; GitHub is the most widely used with the largest audience / pool of people.
Practicality trumps philosophy up until that practicality restricts your project.
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in reply to Organic Maps • • •Yes, I absolutely care! Actively arguing for using a corporate-owned proprietary web service with heavy vendor lock-in is kinda dumb, imho.
There are zero real reasons to use this Microsoft service for publicly hosting your Git repository and issue tracker and CI.
βLegacy projectsβ should actively migrate away from #GitHub and new projects should not be hosted at GitHub in first place.
Microsoft is actively preying on projects hosted on GitHub and itβs users for training their for-profit AI.
Hereβs something to read and use as base for own research: Give Up GitHub!
Give Up GitHub - Software Freedom Conservancy
sfconservancy.orgMat
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in reply to Organic Maps • • •The truth is that I am not a technical expert, and I did not understand the difference between the options mentioned.
But in any case, I support any step or measure that supports my privacy and freedom, even if it means a decline in the quality of the service provided.
@organicmaps
πΌ Dagnabbit, Pascaline! πΌ
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Yes, I care.
I feel it's us, the people who are open to alternatives and want to move away from, say, Google Maps π, who are the ones who make Organic Maps big and help it grow. So, if we care, you might also care.
Organic Maps
in reply to πΌ Dagnabbit, Pascaline! πΌ • • •πΌ Dagnabbit, Pascaline! πΌ
in reply to Organic Maps • • •tobru π¨π π§βπ
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in reply to Organic Maps • • •Organic Maps
in reply to eviloatmeal, resident Death Stranding 2 apologist (arch, btw) • • •sebulon
in reply to Organic Maps • • •First of all, thank you for a great piece of software!
Yes, I care! As many has already mentioned, I also think you should move over to Codeberg.
Hyzual
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Thanks for a great app, we love Organic Maps no matter what π
Organic Maps
in reply to Hyzual • • •Tx1Rx2
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Take codeberg.org @Codeberg or something else?!
Why? I think you know itβ¦
Adam
in reply to Organic Maps • • •nictakiego
in reply to Organic Maps • • •- CoMaps emergence probably caused loss of many contributors - therefore making harder fixing the issues and adding new features
- self-hosting on Codeberg or somewhere else would probably also cause loss of some contributors, because they would have no motivation to make another account on Codeberg or somewhere else just to contribute to 1 repository (some of them would just prefer to keep all the eggs in one basket - most of devs have github account these days, and most of the foss projects are on github)
- self-hosting generates additional costs and takes time for maintaining its security, stability etc., so while having a decrease in contributors would not be a good move in my opinion
In conclusion I think it is better for you to currently stay on github (i have no much opinion about this, I just want this project to stay alive and grow, as it has proven to be amazing over many years already) to not generate additional costs and focus on gaining more users/contributors/sponsors. I think moving to Codeberg won't change much currently, yet staying on github might assure stability, but it is just my opinion.
Nathan A. Stine
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Valentin
in reply to Organic Maps • • •I care.
It is only decision you have to make.
Everything else then is easy. Only cost some time.
A step to a more open web.
@Codeberg and @forgejo may help.
TiTiNoNero
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Felipe
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in reply to Organic Maps • • •Nobody ΩΨ§ΪΫΨ² ΰ€¨ΰ€Ύΰ€Έΰ₯ΰ€€ΰ€Ώ (he/him)
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in reply to Organic Maps • • •I feel like I should care, because GH is part of a machine that serves incompatible interests. In the long run, I think it's a good idea to move away from it - not just for moral reasons, but because it's slowly going to become deleterious to keep using it. Particularly for OSS.
I don't think there needs to be a rush, but it should likely be put on a roadmap somewhere. So in that sense, I "don't care" about urgency.
Organic Maps
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in reply to Kevin Boyd (he/him) π¨π¦ • • •Janik
in reply to Organic Maps • • •I care!
Your pro arguments are the exact problems of a vendor-lockin.
The value of being on GitHub for reach and visibilty is a false promise.
I am pretty sure that serious and valuable contributors do not care about GitHub.
Reference: codeberg.org/comaps
CoMaps
Codeberg.orgAntimundo
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Organic Maps was literally banned from GitHub this march: mastodon.social/@organicmaps/1β¦
Why are you back to GitHub after that? And of course a lot of FOSS users care very much about not using Microsoft products.
I feel like this post is just rage bait.
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in reply to Antimundo • • •Antimundo
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Please just stop, really, whoever is in charge of Organic Maps social media it looks like you are rage baiting, and doesn't make you look like a serious trustable project.
Take it as constructive criticism.
Organic Maps
in reply to Antimundo • • •n0toose
in reply to Organic Maps • • •witcher
in reply to Organic Maps • • •@antimundo going back to GitHub after you so *proudly* announced that you've left GitHub for Forgejo (no matter the reasons) is just on a different level. The whole "pragmatic approach" you seem to have about leaving GitHub *again* really just looks like a front.
Actually, the question should be asked the other way around: why did you leave Forgejo for GitHub? And, no, "pragmatism" is not a valid answer here.
These posts are the last straw to finally make me leave for @CoMaps. It should be enough reason for anyone else that cares about free software even in the slightest at this point. Rage bait isn't getting you anywhere.
chebra
in reply to Organic Maps • • •π±π΄βπ °οΈπ³οΈββ§οΈπ§π Ambiyelp
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Yes I care that you're on #github , #microsoft materially supports the gazan #genocide , and its microsoft, their #software business interests are anti user anti freedom and anti privacy, #codeberg exists, nobody said #solidarity was easy but its a one time cost then I hear that using codeberg is basically the same as github
#FLOSS #OrganicMaps #Gaza #Palestine
LUCASTUCIOUS
in reply to Organic Maps • • •AdventureTense
in reply to Organic Maps • • •The initial question posted here already states its conclusion, so why is it being asked?
CoMaps forked the project for a reason, so if folks are concerned about open source transparency, I highly encourage them to migrate over to that project, which is already on Codeberg. π
#CoMaps #Codeberg
Thibaut
in reply to Organic Maps • • •i care. Very much so.
There are some good points in this blog post about why you should too
drewdevault.com/2022/03/29/freβ¦
Mainly: if you are to convince people to use your free software maps alternative over some proprietary ones, why not lead by example with code infrastructure?
It is important for free software to use free software infrastructure
drewdevault.comOrganic Maps
in reply to Thibaut • • •Tagomago
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in reply to Tagomago • • •Chris Werewolf βπ§π±β πππΈπΊ
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in reply to Organic Maps • • •Pare
in reply to Organic Maps • • •But in my opinion "freedom" is much more precious than "resources".
So, if you ask me "Do you care"? I do answer: yes, of course I care!
Organic Maps
in reply to Pare • • •Justin
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Dan W
in reply to Organic Maps • • •I care, but I also understand that sometimes compromises need to be made for the benefit of the project.
Self-Hosting a versioning and distribution platform can become very expensive, very quickly, especially when your project is popular.
Open Source projects have limited funds and I am grateful for what the developers do provide us.
Ravi Dwivedi
in reply to Organic Maps • • •It's not true that the only alternative to GitHub is self hosting. There are #FreeSoftware options like Codeberg too.
If convenience is that important, why don't just use Google Maps? Or use any other maps which work well in that area? Why do OpenStreetMappers put time daily to build OSM?
I use OSM even if a region is not well mapped and add data myself too in those cases. Would I have done the same thing if I cared only about my convenience?
Jia Tan's mom
in reply to Organic Maps • • •Diotima
in reply to Organic Maps • • •I do. I'm a non- techie user but I understand enough to see that relying on Github is a terrible idea. Owned by company that feels entitled to your code for AI training, that can simply close your project when they like and with no recourse to u is... concerning.
You believe in privacy and privacy services yeah? Well, the only way we get there is by shunning services and corpos who refuse to play nice.
Pirate Praveen
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