I've made a deliberate choice against a quoting feature because it inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours. You are tempted to quote when you should be replying, and so you speak at your audience instead of with the person you are talking to. It becomes performative. Even when doing it for "good" like ridiculing awful comments, you are giving awful comments more eyeballs that way. No quote toots. Thank's
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Matt Kuhns
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Cr0ydon
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I like the idea, but I'm not sure if this upholds in practice. Many people taking and posting screenshots of the messages they indirectly replying to, even on platforms that have a quote feature.
Maybe people will use that even more often on Mastodon to workaround the missing quote feature.
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ottonafo 🇺🇦
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Thoralf Will 🇪🇺
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Understandable choice.
Still, I think it's wrong.
Preventing users from something they want to do by technical means will not change the culture.
What you will get is exactly the behaviour that you had on Twitter: People just quote anyway and do it manually. The extra effort is certainly worth the benefit.
So, essentially you are only annoying the users with some extra effort without preventing anything.
Arya K :emacs:
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Merijn 👨💻
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Renée
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •This is an interesting perspective I hadn't appreciate before joining.
When Twitter added the ability to limit replies, it was often the only way to get the last word in. And it can be useful to contextualize a position when you want to share something you disagree with.
But ...the hit-and-run snark is by far the most common and least healthy engagement made for it. And I'm coming around to the position that it's too toxic to be worth it.
John Philpin Ⓜ️
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Malin Tväråna
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Αυτός
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •mike
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •B12Simon
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •sandwich247
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Not being able to give a little "you should check out this art that I think is really cool" makes me a bit sad, but then you can just make a toot after the boost and it's all good
Kuntie Plopkins
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •murad
in reply to Kuntie Plopkins • • •Kuntie Plopkins
in reply to murad • • •murad
in reply to Kuntie Plopkins • • •FediTips has moved!
in reply to murad • • •You can only search for hashtags or usernames on Mastodon.
I think this is partly due to technical constraints, but also due to privacy/abuse concerns.
For example:
On Twitter, if someone criticises Elon Musk they may get Musk fans suddenly appear to defend Elon.
But on here, as long as you don't use a Musk-related hashtag, the Musk fans will never know about your Musk critique.
Kuntie Plopkins
in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •FediTips has moved!
in reply to Kuntie Plopkins • • •Just write it in the search box and click search!
If there are no results, it may be that your server hasn't "seen" the user before. This happens a lot with very new accounts from other servers.
If this happens, ask the owner of the account for their full Mastodon address (this is the bit that says @ USERNAME @ SERVER on people's profile pages). Copy and paste the full address into the search box, and this will make your server "notice" the user..
murad
in reply to Kuntie Plopkins • • •Kuntie Plopkins
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in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •FediTips has moved!
in reply to Kuntie Plopkins • • •That looks like a glitch...?
Try logging out, closing the browser and reopening the site, see if it still does that.
murad
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in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •Salty49
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Mike Rockwell
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •tsadilas
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •ARYIRIS🐻❄️
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •🌭pulpketchup🌭
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Ofmine
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Simon Phipps
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Dr. Dan Killam
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Power Twerp
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Aegon Targaryen
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Unattributed 👤 ☑
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Robert Green
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •ok, i will therefore NOT quote your "thank's" which should be "thanks."
thanks.
Emacsen
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •> inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours
The word "inevitably" tells me this isn't true, and my own use of quote tweets, and the people I follow on Twitter using Quote tweets shows how important they are.
You can certainly decide what you like and don't like on your own platform, but please don't make statements which are demonstrably false.
InDefenseOfToucans
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •100% agree for the exact same reasons, the quote tweeters audience often does not read the other persons or gets their thoughts on it colored by the quote tweeter and does not attempt to give a fair understanding.
I have used them sometimes when calling out historical misinformation, but really better ways to do that.
Liwott
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Caleb
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •thanks. This was one of the worst features of the "competition"; too often QRTs were abused as an excuse to belittle and ridicule people and it got depressing to see so much.
God I don't miss that place.
Ю ⁂
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Well we have reblogging/boosting. And in a way we have quoting in form of sharing the url to a post.
I also agree. Drückos suck.
Earthling
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I see the intention behind it but still it is some way to control how people use communication and the fact that it has ben misused often does not purely justify to solely abandon it.
and yes - I also used it to speak to "may audience" often - but mostly to prove some posts wrong with adding facts directly to the related post
sometimes it was to agree on posts by adding additional information to it and/or reactions which gave also the original poster more value
just my 2 cents
June Casagrande
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Sir thalon
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Eugen Rochko
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •joene 🏴🍉
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •1. Is this your individual opinion or do other developers also agree on this? Sounds like something the dev-team should at least agree on, otherwise the community should.
2. There are two different approaches to quoted tweets.
One is the one you describing, people harassing others using this feature.
But the other approach is not toxic. It's the way people use quoted retweets with news tweets and public (e.g. political) figures. People who want to tell their followers what they think about the tweet they quoted. If they reply under the tweet, it will be difficult to find, also for their followers. Quoted retweets/post also appear on the default user timeline.
💡 Therefore I advise to create a opt-in quoted posts feature. With a text like: 'are you a news outlet or a public figure, offer your followers the option to quote your posts.
grischa
in reply to joene 🏴🍉 • • •I absolutely agree in what @Gargron says, but to answer your first question: This is a platform decision not a fediverse decision. If you disagree with that decision, you are free to choose another platform like Hubzilla i.e. There is no boosting but quoting only.
And as it still is the fediverse, all this platforms communicate with each other.
In the fediverse you are not only not bound to instances, but also not to platforms and coders decisions. 😀
joene 🏴🍉
in reply to grischa • • •The way you say this doesn't come over very nice. 'If you don't like it, go somewhere else.' That is what I get from your reply. I'm not a developer, but a long time Mastodon (and even Hubzilla) server owner and translator. So I'm completely aware about the Fediverse. You don't need to lecture me about that.
I was only asking if this was something @Gargron decided on his own or that the developer team decided it collectively.
grischa
in reply to joene 🏴🍉 • • •But if you know Hubzilla that well I don't understand your first question? Mikes decision on boosts and quotes was different and he explained that, too.
@Gargron
joene 🏴🍉
in reply to grischa • • •@Gargron
TwistedByKnaves
in reply to joene 🏴🍉 • • •FWIW, English IS my mother tongue, and the reply seemed sincere and helpful to me.
Especially as I'm new here, stumbling around wide eyed, trying to hoover up the new concepts.
ERAT
in reply to joene 🏴🍉 • • •Ben Aveling
in reply to joene 🏴🍉 • • •Is it though?
In the other place, the algorithm generally shares your tweets to your followers, but not your replies.
I don't think it's like that here, (unless a post is 'followers only' , some discussion of that here: github.com/mastodon/mastodon/i…).
Here, I think, replies are as visible as a boost would be.
Aren't they?
Clarify and/or fix how privacy works for replies · Issue #2934 · mastodon/mastodon
GitHubFanua 🌐
in reply to joene 🏴🍉 • • •Sebastian
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •but you could implement the Mastodon emojies.
I would change their hair to purple.
Chris Maler
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Zorin =^o.o^=
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •This is probably the way to go. Nearly every time I've been QRTed on birdsite it's been to criticize. Criticize me to my face, not to your followers.
If someone wants to criticize me by replying to my post and then retweeting it, fine. At least I had the courtesy of a reply to me.
undívaga
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Ryan Schultz
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Sabrina Web
in reply to Eugen Rochko • •like this
Jason Brooks, ReflectedDreams e Tom Etty like this.
Shoq
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jason Brooks
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Hagen Bauer
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Quasselkasper
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Patrícia, mulher do Sul
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Luis Pinto 🌀
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •starboy
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Carl Andreas Myrland
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •you might be right. I haven't really studied the consequences of quote tweets, but in my feed the majority of QT's are positive.
People wanting to bash others either subtweet or do screenshots of the tweet in question instead of quote tweets.
Dr Rena Maguire
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Stardenver
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Marco
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •26x1
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Then I very quickly felt so relieved by the absence of mocking, judging, cynicism that the “quoting feature" seems to imply.
juurd
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •clauci2nd
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •thank you.
Jessica. 🦕
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •ilyess
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Ethan Black
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I'd like to respectfully disagree about ridiculing awful comments being good, though. Even if the comment you are ridiculing is genuinely immoral, it is still toxic.
Babisuri
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Saphire Lattice
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •So... What about the fact that people can just go "last repost" and do it without even a link?
With a proper QRT, you can at least allow setting up privacy for that...
Ty Smith
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •One of the issues that Twitter ran into is that the users performed certain interactions despite the tooling, and those took off before Twitter followed with better UX in the app. For example, hash tags threaded tweets.
I would wonder if quote retweets still happen with a slightly different mechanism. ie : RT: "Copied Text" or screenshots.
MinnesotaMinn
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Agas Ramirez
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Rebecca
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Johannes
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Noah Mittman
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Scott Wilson
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •lostprototype
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I cannot emphasize how much I appreciate this kind of thinking.
Thank you for being a light in these dark times.
Joel Martinez
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Emmajuned
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Sedat Kapanoglu
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jürgen Haas
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Sergey van Daalen
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •mary angela perna✅
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Rebecca
Unknown parent • • •Jody Lemoine 🇨🇦
Unknown parent • • •CleoMatra
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •John Conway
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Michael Warhurst
in reply to John Conway • • •De Patrijsvogel
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •bob
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Keith Calder
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Doug Massey
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Sewzinski
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Terra Goodnight
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •A cool crab wearing shades
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Kwanza Osajyefo
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Christina Hendriks
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •June Blender
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •jigbean
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Dubi is here
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Dónal O'Flynn
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •William Brooks is not extinct
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •jhamby
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Elizabeth Knox
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •David Durant
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Rajiv Pant
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Shoq
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •But quoting IS replying. It's simply including the thing being referred to so people don't have to seek it. A bare reply is often ignored. If someone wants to abuse, they will, but I've never see it done by serious people. Perhaps we can have this debate on a #tag to see my point. I'm fairly confident most Twitter alums will agree.
#QuotedPostsOnMastodon
Shoq
in reply to Shoq • • •As this image should make clear, whether @BarackObama, @kathygriffin, or @ifilljustice, serious users know that quoted tweets is an important tool for sharing via social networks.
#QuotedPostsOnMastodon
Ji Fu (Domestic Terrorist)
in reply to Shoq • • •Ji Fu (Domestic Terrorist)
in reply to Shoq • • •Bricin
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I’ve requested it a few times and while I understand the rationale I very much want the ability to see a post, boost the post, and say something about it ie “here is why I think this is interesting” and get engagement from my community.
Maybe that is a different mechanism to avoid the negative behavior. Forward + comment sort of. Which is what I wind up doing manually.
Thanks for taking the time on this entire project.
Cliff
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Daniel Howard 🌻
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Kevin Gamin
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •ModernTimes
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@osc Yes, and people can reply and then boost/RT their reply anyway! Much less toxic
I've never understood the QT feature, it also makes many convos unreadable when it's repeatedly used
Rua M. Williams
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •'|
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •MmeSazerat
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Manish Vij
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Eubie Drew (QOTO 🦣)
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Annalee
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Reuben Bidez
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Alex Francis
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Amanda Finley Digs All Things
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Kristin (vis.social Admin)
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Thinking about it, and your reasons...I think you are right. And I thank you.
For me, I used the quote-tweet do amplify and emphasize issues I face as a woman in tech+art+science. But we can all find other ways to amplify/boost in more healthy ways.
The challenge for me, sometimes, is that it's hard to form words to explain why something really resonates for me. And that is what I used quote-tweet for. With my comment being "This!"
Kristin (vis.social Admin)
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Thinking about it, and your reasons...I think you are right. And I thank you.
For me, I used the quote-tweet to amplify and emphasize issues I face as a woman in tech+art+science. But we can all find other ways to amplify/boost in more healthy ways.
The challenge for me, sometimes, is that it's hard to form words to explain why something really resonates for me. And that is what I used quote-tweet for. With my comment being "This!"
Imprint
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •s427
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Pedro Rafael Rosado
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Gert Jan C. Veenstra
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Carl Heath
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Adam
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Abeni
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Annette Jorgensen
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •EspOnagrine
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •But I suppose I am not very "toxic"
Jérémie Lumbroso
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Mark Ambler
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •CautionWIP 🇨🇦🏳️🌈
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •ipofanes
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Mekka 💉💉💉🎉
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Every time I find Mastodon "missing" a common Twitter feature I ask myself if this feature is really missing, or if I'm trying to bring something to Mastodon that the curators and shapers of Mastodon culture explicitly don't want here.
This one is an opinionated position, and... I think I like it?
Hand rolling a QRT is not impossible here, but a lot of friction is added, and "healthier conversation" alternatives are easier to do. I'm going to "reply and boost" this!
Valeria Frances
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Bianca de Haan
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •TiffyToes
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Richie Holland
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Paul Dunphy Esquire 🏳️🌈
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Paolo Bacigalupi
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Arman Aghbali
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jimmy Hartzell
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Friedrich Moser
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •FelixCLC
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •okanogen VerminEnemyFromWithin
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •👀's Belle
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •wiley soule aka c.soûle
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Mark Allerton
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Attempting to control social media behavior by removing features seems like trying to design a language in which you are unable to articulate bad thoughts, and just as doomed to failure.
Recall that Twitter did not invent RTs and QTs, users did.
Patrick LaForge
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •U. Gerhardt 🇪🇺
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@dassaju
Lili
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Till Sawala
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •This argument makes sense to me, though from experience on the bird app, I would sometimes use "quote" to highlight a post from a different community to my own followers, with a personal message why I consider it important. I might also, for example, translate a post from German or Finnish to my mostly English-speaking followers.
Maybe making "quotable" optional could be an idea? But I also accept the idea that we need to use mastodon differently than what we may be used to.
marmar
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •One Dude. Opinions. All Mine.
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Brent Elliott
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Haider Bahrani🎵
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Yvonne Lavelle
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •John Mark ☑️
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Alessandro Muraro
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Dr Grace
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jon Agirre
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •lesighlepurr
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Emelia 👸🏻
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I've written this elsewhere, but I suspect with correct moderation tools, we could solve the pile-on problem whilst still having quote toots.
E.g., if a quote toot, allow reporting for misuse / abuse, and then provide a means to disable quoting for a user for a time period / indefinitely, and only allow quoting of public content
Additionally, education can help change the message here: act bad & you loose the privilege. Potentially even "disable quotes" as a setting.
Choc Chip Camo Pants📶
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Kent Brewster
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Joe Beehammer (🐝 🔨)
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jess Alter
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Thank you so you so much for continuing to choose not to build this feature into this instance.
I like Mastodon as it is. I don't want it to become "New Twitter".
Besides, if one needs to "quote toot", then they can take an image and type in what it says on the image description.
I consider that level of effort gives a person time to decide if it's true, helpful, important, necessary, and/or kind.
Frank Fucile 🏴
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Sarah Perez 💙
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Leena
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Horst
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •completely agree!
Letting the users choose (as suggested in one of the replies) might be a bad idea since many of them are coming from the blue bird and just want to see the same features as overthere.
Crecente 🦣
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Dusty_the_nurse
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jonathan D. Abolins
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Scott’s Robots
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •when I quote-tweet on Twitter, it’s usually a “Hey followers, here’s why I think you’ll be interested in this” thing.
Is there an equivalent here?
Spencer Peterson
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Kasia
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jae Bloom
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •TwistedByKnaves
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I've never really understood the antipathy to quote tweets. Some good tweeps, such as the venerable Michael White, do it all the time.
It has a whiff of the religious war.
But.
Your game, your rules.
Anything that gets us away from an algorithm explicitly designed to promote urgent emotional engagement (which means stoking great and hatred) is good.
Mathew Oakes
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Bathsheba Blue
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Twitter’s algorithm gave weight to quote tweets, and users got hooked on the practice.
No need for it here.
Running In Reykjavik
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Alek
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Edmund Lauterbach
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Dagonmar
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •James Neill - 😷💙 🇪🇺🇮🇪🇬🇧🔶
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •even when someone wants to quote their own post?
e.g. I may have created a reference thread on a topic, I should be able to quote it into a new thread.
JenBeee
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Author J. R. Damon
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Adam Dalliance
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@mxtthxw - who boosted Eugen's post.
You gotta know he's muted that thread *years* ago and none of the recent commentators are talking to each other. Just to him.
All just replying to the thread, including only Gargron as a CC, and he definitely has it muted. Surely.
They're not even replying to each other.
I guess some people must be reading recent replies. I skimmed a few.
Quote-tweet function is not up to Gargon of course.
If you want it you can have it!
There are Mastodon forks that include it, and there are other ActivityPub systems which use it too!
You can even embed a post from mastodon in another mastodon post if you just copy/paste the URL of that post.
Are they doing the Fediverse equivalent of a quote-tweet, and doing a reply which they themselves boost?
The three randomly recentish ones I looked at hadn't done so.
So i guess not.
Unless you check their instance you'll won't know. Your local instance just might not have seen the boost. I sampled only three.
Anyway. What I'm saying is, almost everyone talking on this thread is talking to /dev/null right now except you and me. Coz I actually included someone who hasn't muted it yet.
And nobody else will see it unless you boost it.
Ben Aveling
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Seems sensible.
Contrast the other place, where people have the option to block replies (PPE against toxicity), but not to block QT (Elimination of toxicity).
Thoralf Will 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇹🇼
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Yet another reason found why quoting is actually a useful feature:
When I have a toot in a different language, it would be great to quote the original toot as a reference.
Starting a discussion in a completely different language within the existing thread makes no sense and is just annoying people.
Ji Fu (Domestic Terrorist)
in reply to Thoralf Will 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇹🇼 • • •hackbyte Antifa (friendica) 13HB1 likes this.
redv1ew
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Helen Shaw
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Bjørn Larssen 🇺🇦 🏳️🌈
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Lars Karlslund
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Chris Pitts
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •jenny_tightpants 🪑
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •didib_photo 📷
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Thomas L • Vegan-& Netzpolitik
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Your argument is valid but i think it seems not thought to the end.
AFAIK here on Mastodon IT IS welcomed to boost content from others - and sometimes you just want to add your own words to that.
May be to present this to your audience or to classify it or to show your (dis)approval.
I personally often want to boost a post, but at the end i do nothing because i don't like to present it "blank" (without my opinion).
Quoting does not necessarily have to be used in a negative sense!
Scali
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Michel van Baal
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •gecata1988
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Joerg Droege
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •funky4lyf
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Atlantisblauw
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Lol, it's funny you call that 'doing it for good'. I thought that was one of the worst things, spreading toxic tweets for everyone to see with a snarky comment. So much negativity.
I only miss it sometimes when I want to add some context to a tweet about how it relates to my own life or why I find it interesting. Like boosting a tweet about a book and adding what I liked about it. But there are workarounds, I can live with this.
туман
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Kulpreet Singh
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Doc Edward Morbius ⭕
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •For the newbies missing quote-reply: the lack of such a function is in fact a deliberate design feature of Mastodon.
#Newbies #MastoTips #QuoteReply
Melissa (BookN3rd)
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Eddie_the_Hedgehog
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Tiare Liberty Sol ☀️🌺🦄
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •mindfulvegan
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Nicole
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Mike Lerch
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •this makes sense to me and I appreciate the thought behind it.
Related though, as a new user I find myself wishing that boosting was more like Reddit "upvotes" than Twitter "retweets."
Is there a way to separate people's "real" posts from the posts they've boosted?
Samit Malkani
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Benjamin Abrams
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Wendy Siegelman
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jolie 🏳️⚧️
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Masa 🙇🏻♂️
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •please do NOT reconsider this stance from four years ago just because of the Twitter implosion.
This subtle yet hugely consequential difference is one of the lessons that should be learned from Big Socials' destructive, vacuous decisions.
If people want to gossip, they can screenshot, etc. - make them do the work, a second to reconsider. Please don't let that behavior infest the entire pool.
#twittermigration #twitterexodus #twitterexit #fediverse #quotetweet #quotedpostsonmastodon
Rob Landley
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Word_Whiz
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Robert Anderberg 🕹️
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Sunny
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Meidas Romi
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •The Frog
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Randahl Fink
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Simply just retweeting content may make people overlook the importance of said content. However, if you retweet content and write a qualifying comment such as "This is a very strong observation, because…" etc., that has real value.
I agree with you, the feature can be abused, but would you not agree almost all features can be abused?
A L Katz
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Great Pop Culture Debate
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Marlee
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Cedar🌲 :t4lvt: :vbike:
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Janh1 💚💙
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Don
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Zhenbo Li
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •You persuaded me. I’ve seen it countless times on the bird site that someone quoting a tweet with a comment like “look at this awful post/person”
After reading your toot, I felt that such quote-retweet might be adding toxicity. If one saw something disgusting, the better way maybe muting or blocking, instead of spreading it with quoting.
Thank you for your explanation for why you’re against this function. And thank you for your great work at #Mastodon
PJCoffey
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Just doing a bit of curation. Will delete if annoying!
#Mastodon #MastodonQuoteToot #MastodonQuoteTweet #MastodonDesign #MastodonDocumentation
Patty Bluebird 🦩
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Neil Ennis
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •mattg
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Toot Terrorist
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Vin
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •this is probably my single biggest issue with this platform. maybe 10% of quotes get used like that, every other time it's either to boost engagement while providing commentary, to get more people involved in a discussion while not necessarily endorsing (as reposts are often interpreted), or just to ask a question that's too tangential to the original post
quotes don't crush discussion. they promote it.
ednl 🇪🇺
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Frank Vehafric
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •StarkRG
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •青い暗闇
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •That, and the fact that all that extra load required to render the post *within* a post en mass is probsbly not a good idea performance wise...
(I don't like how #misskey / #sospbox implements #quote, and have yet to see a good use of the feature. ever.)
Why is it so hard to copy portion of a post + link anyways ?
Ppl are flippin lazy
moliver
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •453289
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Matt
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Annoying Cynic
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Lucius Caesar
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •karen
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Wraithe
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •There’s a huge amount of discourse out there now with, in particular, #BIPOC people making what I think is a pretty solid case for uses that are absolutely not toxic.
What’s interesting is that to me, this is in ways no different than quoting a section of an email - pointing out that I’m addressing a specific comment.
mastodon.social/@Gargron/99662…
Jeff Bishop
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •EcranMobileFr
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Santiago
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Akhenatobi & Meritaten etc.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Roelf Renkema :nafo: :admin2:
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Deekshith Allamaneni
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •How does quoting posts add more toxicity than comments? Any statistics or research on it? Seems to me like a personal opinion. It would've made sense for the instance admins to enable/disable but not implementing such a crucial feature is disappointing.
I like quoting posts sometimes to provide additional context or reasoning as to why I am boosting it but that's missing here.
Recently tried #MissKey and liked that it has this feature.
Paul Dyson
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I always liked quoting as a way to intro people who follow me to something that has a particular rather than generic interest. E.g. this isn’t just an interesting post on coding but one from a not-so-well-known author I know has some particularly relevant experience.
Is that performative? I suppose I think it’s a way of adding a little value above just passing the post on.
Not a big deal and you obviously have thought carefully about it but I don’t think it “inevitably adds toxicity”.
doctorlaura
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Didik Wicaksono ▶️🎮👨💻
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •How to quote someone's post on Mastodon
Ajaay (Nerds Chalk)Dogzilla
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •The Cadence Collective
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •♍️ Heather 👩🏻🦯
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Brian M 🇺🇸
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I really wish you'd change your mind on this. While quote posting CAN lead to toxicity, it's also an important way to share post with your followers and add your own to it. It can and does also lead to positive interactions. And the reality is, I can accomplish the same thing with screenshots but that won't give the original poster the opportunity to join the new conversation. Sadly, I think not having this is holding Mastodon back.
#QuotePost
Kerr Avonsen (she/her)
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I would be interested to know, oh supporters of quoting, why you can't just boost and reply?
But I am also kind of surprised that quoting is considered to be toxic, when boosting and replying is not?