A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking
Reading about this stuff on the Israeli lead news network KAN is... Interesting. When the complete eradication of Gazans is being talked about it's very blasé and never takes responsibility. For example, this report says Hamas are in fact the ones screwing up Gaza aid efforts, and this one richly claims that the IDF did not kill anyone at an aid site. The IDF alleges that they investigated themselves and found that they weren't guilty.
The Washington Post issues rare correction, admitting it misrepresented Israeli involvement in a Gaza incident that left over 30 dead. Updated findings and video footage refute the initial claims, which echoed unverified Hamas-linked sources.
I think it's potentially true that Hamas fucks with aid and blames it on the IDF for public support. I don't know if they do, but it'd be smart. Israel is absolutely fucking with aid, guaranteed. They're murdering civilians, and damn near no one seems to give a shit. It's sad how few people seem to pay attention or care about the obvious signs of genocide. Not just the Palestinian genocide, the Rwandan, Bosnian, Cambodian genocides as well.
I don't really think they do that, but I'd personally find it smart. Limit the amount of aid sent so that people are suffering and desperate. Offer a solution, win public opinion. Again, I don't really think they do that. I think that Israel's doing all of that.
The entire last twoish years have have been doubly insane for people like myself, because:
Though I am not Jewish, my cousins all are. They are all secular, American, liberal to lefty Jews by the heritage and ethnicity of their father, and his culture that they maintain.
They are all against the genocide, but according to current, general, right wing sentiment... they either don't exist or are self hating.
I can only imagine this has all been even more insane for them.
Nearly every pro-Palestine protest on every campus in the US that I've read about or seem... has at bare minimum had sizeable numbers of Jewish Americans at it, if not being co-organized by them or headlining them as speakers.
... Meanwhile, I've been anti Zionist my whole life, and every single actual Israeli I've ever met has been a racist, anti-Islamic Zionist... and when I point this out, almost every white liberal or self described lefty has called me an antisemite.
Then on my own side of the family, my dad and my uncle just actually are racist anti-semites, making 'off color jokes' about Jews being greedy and money obsessed at fucking family gatherings literally in the faces of my cousins and their dad.
Oh well I guess?
Politics evolves to become defined by the hypocrises and contradictions no one is capable of having a rational discussion about.
Meanwhile, I've been anti Zionist my whole life, and every single actual Israeli I've ever met has been a racist, anti-Islamic Zionist... and when I point this out, almost every white liberal or self described lefty has called me an antisemite.
The problem is that there is a fine line between stating your observations of a few people and racism.
I’d guess that you haven’t met many actual Israelis….. certainly not enough to be a statistically significant sample. If that’s the case then assuming that your observations apply to the whole population becomes racism.
The problem is that there is a fine line between stating your observations of a few people and racism.
Understanding that the majority of Israelis are fascist and support genocide does not make you rascist.
What you are doing is conflating zionism with Judaism, no different to the Israeli state and their propaganda. Believing that the Israeli government IS judaism is about as rascist as you can get. It's no different than claiming Iran or the Taliban IS Islam/Arabs, which is unironically what Christian naturalists/racists/fascists believe.
Hey there, bingo, you managed to make roughly the same point as I did but without making it personal, lol.
As a kind of ... lol, further, roughly relevant personal example:
My door dash driver the other day was a shorter woman, olive complexion, spoke with a bit of an accent, and had a head covering over her head ao that you couldn't see her hair, but could see her whole face, along with something sort of resembling a shawl, but quite bright and colorful.
I thanked her for the food, and then, a bit awkardly said... 'I only know how to 'thank you' in Arabic, shyu-ka-ren (sp lol), but I ... believe you are probably Persian, how would I say 'thank you' in Persian?'
She smiled and was a bit confused: 'How did you know I am Persian, and not Arab?'
'Ah, I don't know the proper names of the different styles of head coverings, but I have seen many pictures, and I think yours is more common in Persia, they tend to be different in Arab countries.'
'Ah, that's right! That is how you knew!' smiled again. 'Yes, in Arabic it is shyu-ka-ren, in Persian it is tash-ah-kor!'
I then struggle to pronounce it a few times until getting it right, while also semi-short circuiting, reverting back to my 'Karate training' and mixing in semi-formal Japanese bows.
... Given where I currently live, I can almost statistically guarantee she'd never encountered a white person she's delivered DoorDash to here, who even bothered to attempt to tell the difference between an Arab and a Persian, muchless for the purpose of trying to properly thank her in her own language.
All that to say: It is entirely possible to be humble, and attempt to 'profile' people... to achieve something pleasant, good, that spreads a smile.
Awkward? Probably.
Racist? ... No, more likely quite close to the opposite.
I have not met very many Israelis, that is true...
But the ones that I have met expressed very overtly racist positions that were logically inconsistent in any other scenario: special pleading all the way.
I wasn't, at the time, back around a decade ago now, telling my white liberal friends 'all Israelis are racist because I met a few'.
I was telling them 'this is what this one particular guy said, this is what that other particular guy said, if you applied that same logic you could justify the US extermination of Native Americans, this is concerning to me.'
You are here doing the thing my former friends did: You are assuming I did and said things I did not do nor say, and are pearl clutching... because you've head canon'd in your own missing context and additional details.
Notably none of my former white liberal friends bothered to ever ask me about having grown with fairly frequently interacting with... you know, my cousins... and me and them getting along with them well, me learning how to make a latke, me being respectful at hannukah despite me being raised Protestant, me being excited to learn the dradel dradel dradel song as a kid, watching fiddler on the roof together and me liking the songs so much I learned how to sing some of them, and then my actually anti semitic dad telling me to cut that shit out in his house, etc.
Nah they just assumed I was an anti-semite, because they and their families were even more lily white than me and mine, and were projecting their own fears of being viewed as anti-semitic onto me.
It is entirely possible for me to say 'every Israeli I've met has been racist', that be a true statement, while I can also simultaneously believe that not all Israelis are racist, statistically or by definition... because I am aware of the difference between an anecdote and a statistically valid survey.
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But did you read the entire article that is this post?
82% of the Israeli public support, at bare minimum, ethnically cleansing all of Gaza.
Thats 4 out of 5.
That is your statistically valid sample.
Turns out my anecdotal experience was not atypical.
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I've only met a few Japanese (as in, born and raised in Japan and ethnically Japanese) people in my life, and they've all been skilled martial artists.
This just is true.
Because I met them via participating in Karate for over a decade.
... Does this mean I think all Japanese people are highly skilled martial artists?
No.
Not unless you read that into what I said, despite me not actually saying that, because you head canon'd your own context into the first statement.
But the ones that I have met expressed very overtly racist positions that were logically inconsistent in any other scenario: special pleading all the way.
I wasn't, at the time, back around a decade ago now, telling my white liberal friends 'all Israelis are racist because I met a few'.
I’m not saying that you were being racist. I’m saying that it’s very easy to come across as racist when pointing out things that you don’t like about a few people off the same race.
You are here doing the thing my former friends did: You are assuming I did and said things I did not do nor say, and are pearl clutching... because you've head canon'd in your own missing context and additional details.
I’m doing no such thing. I wasn’t judging you for your observations and I made no statement about whether I thought you were racist or not because I don’t have the information required to suggest that you are.
But did you read the entire article that is this post?
No, I didn’t need to because I was only making the comment that it’s very easy to be seen as racist when you talk about a race of people.
No, I didn’t need to because I was only making the comment that it’s very easy to be seen as racist when you talk about a race of people.
Ah, guess we better just not talk at all about race then and all just do 'im colorblind, i intentionally ignore systemic racial injustices and judge everyone by my own racially priveleged standards'.
Fuck off.
Context matters, the context of this post and the comments that follow from it matter, you just randomly popping in to 'agnostically' critique a single comment, on its own, without context, when the entire point of said comment is that proper context and nuance matter is an insultingly facile and unproductive thing to do, its the insecure, passive-aggressive liberal's version of 'just asking questions' / 'lets say, hypothetically... (nonsenical rhetorical non sequitir).'
Is... is this what you do, just scan random comments and remove all context and then tell people that with all the context removed this could sound bad?
You reply to specific, detailed posts and then say oh actually I was just commenting generally, it just happened to be on this specific comment for no particular reason?
Go back to twitter or bluesky to clutch your pearls, fuck off with your disingenuous, shit-disturber bullshit.
'nogooduser' indeed, almost like an intentional joke name a dedicated contrarian troll would use.
This "issue" has unfortunately been in Israeli controlled media for much longer than a year. They've been indoctrined to hate Palestine since the forming of israel
Oh yeah it's gone wild, but at least that brings the issue up for people who are willing to be informed and change their view point on the matter (as rare as that may be these days).
Israelis tend to get really fucking triggered when you tell them about:
Israel was literally founded by terrorists who bombed and shot civillians in terror bombings... as in, they explicitly targetted civillians for the chaos factor... and they wrote about this in their own journals and memoirs and then went on to lead the government.
The entire USS Liberty incident, which was almost certainly Israel trying to false flag blow up an American ship during the 6 day war and blame it on the Egyptians, to get the US directly involved.
The Apollo Affair, wherein Israeli sympathizers/spies literally stole US nuclear fissile material from the US to aide in the production of their nuclear weapons (which basically every Western government officially, and society generally, denied they even had nukes untill about a year to 6 months ago).
The Samson Doctrine, Israel's take on nuclear detterance... is more or less this:
If Israel feels like it is going to be nuked or completely invaded, they will nuke major cities in all countries within one to two thousand miles, ally, enemy, neutral, who cares, the logic is to throw as big of a shit fit as possible and declare that if they can't have Israel, no one can have anything, and they'll do all that themselves.
And finally, if you just tell them that Hasbara is a real thing that obviously exists and promotes publically that it will pay anyone who will draft themselves into being an online propaganda troll for Israel.
... Conversely, if anybody were to tell me about all the awful shit the US has done and is doing, I have a functioning moral compass and brain and can say, yep, that shit is/was fucking awful, unnaceptable, and in my ideal world, all those responsible would be in jail or tried as war criminals, in the ICJ for crimes against humanity, Luigi'd, etc.
When that story broke, or video footage emerged of ... around a year ago now...
Of a 'hostage rescue mission'... involving a fucking Merkava point blank firing a main cannon round into the building they believed the hostages and their captors were in, that was also in a large multi family apartment building, with tons of other civillians inside....
I fucking lost it.
Even from the perspective of US Rules of Engagement in Iraq War 2, which was... lets say highly insufficient at prioritizing noncombatant safety, at best...
That is fucking godamned insane nonsense. If a US tank crew had accidentally put a tank round into a densely occupied civillian apartment building, they would have been fucking court matrialled, or it would have been covered up and a decent scandal when it leaked out later.
To do this intentionally? In a hostage rescue mission? And every pro-Israel person either ignores it or is totally fine with it?
Just fucking insane, like parody super hero 'oops, Homelander was gonna save everyone but he got angry or sneezed and lasered the airplane pilots' fucking insane.
When that helicopter gun cam vid of blowing away suspected insurgents first aired in 04 on ABC, it caused a national debate.
In Israel, the last year or so, we get a video like that every other day, and then people stitch themselves into it making demeaning jokes.
Here's the part where some numbnuts will stop to explain, "Not all Jews!" Yeah. We get that. But the Jewish state of Israel, which was founded as a safe haven for Jews, is genocidal as fuck. And who makes up 75% of the population of Israel? Could it be... Jews? Where do 50% of the Jews on the planet reside? Could it be Israel?
And for stating a few unarguable facts, I expect a ban. Maybe I could very sheepishly, on the down-low, suggest that only a radical, very tiny number of Jews are, perhaps, maybe partly, just a bit, guilty of genocide, or at least, are collaborators and supporters?
FFS, no one has the balls to say out loud, "Not a good look guys." <-anti-Semitism
Sincerely:
GenXer who had always supported Israel and had less than zero beef with Jews.
Yeah, I think it's less being Jewish and more that they are settlers. They are acting just like how Canadians, Australians and Afrikaners acted against the local indigenous population.
Anything that reminds them that they don't belong to this land (in their assessment and minds, land does not belong to anyone) they hate that. Mostly the people who were there before them.
The vast majority of Israeli Jews and a significant number (not sure if a majority) of diaspora Jews are actively guilty of perpetuating and aiding Israel's genocide and occupation(s). That's just facts and won't get you banned (at least not from Lemmy). However, generalizing that to the significant fraction of Jews who aren't party to these crimes or are opposing them is antisemitism and will rightly get you banned. There's nothing complicated about this.
Israel is absolutely being genocidal here, but it has nothing to do with them being Jews. They want the land, full stop. They believe they are more entitled to the land than anyone else, full stop.
The fact that they are Jewish is really immaterial and hating "the Jews" because of what Israel is doing is a lot like, I dunno, hating white people because of the various White Supremacist groups.
You have a supremacist government taking genocidal actions, any supremacist government would do the same, it doesn't matter what the heritage is.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but as my ex used to comment (she's Jewish and went to private Jewish school) their religion is very clear in explaining they are the chosen children of God.
Off the bat they are indoctrinated that they are better than all of us.
All I know is my children are less safe in the world because of what the state of Israel is doing and that disgusts me.
So it's a fascist state, which include a support of it's population through nationalism. It doesn't change anything that this nationalism is based on a religion, regional or cultural identity. It's work the same.
Speaking about all the population is cutting ourselves from the ally we have in the 15%. We couldn't say "it's over, we couldn't do anything for those left"; we are the 15% in our own imperialist state. And if you think that this is a different situation, there were German resistance during WW2 ... and they almost kill hitler.
Even if you disagree, why speaking about Jewish people and not just Israeli people ? You just insulting every Jews that choose do not live in Israel. A choice you didn't make.
A return to the pre-war status quo. The withdrawal of Israeli troops, presumably in return for the hostages, with either Hamas or another group equally hostile to Israel in control of Gaza. This is the worst-case scenario for Israel, because it represents a total failure to eliminate the source of more potential October 7 attacks. I suspect it's the worst-case scenario for Gaza too, since future attacks on Israel would lead to future destruction in Gaza.
The destruction of Hamas and the establishment of a Gazan government friendly towards Israel, perhaps by the Palestinian authority or a coalition of Arab states. Very difficult and failure-prone, but a pathway to peace in the long term. I had hoped that this would be the outcome when the war started but it isn't what Netanyahu is trying to accomplish and by now I'm not sure there's enough goodwill left for it to still be possible.
Permanent Israeli occupation. I don't think Israel can maintain such an occupation - it would be extremely expensive in money, lives, and international goodwill. Netanyahu and his supporters seem to think that Israel can, but many of them seem to make plans reliant on divine intervention.
Expulsion of the population of Gaza. Egypt wouldn't accept that without a war. Maybe Trump thinks he can find another country that would, but even if he did (unlikely) then the logistics of moving two million people would be extremely challenging. I think this outcome is effectively impossible - another one of the "divine intervention required" plans. However, it would be a best-case scenario for Israel. The gain in territory means little, but no longer having Gazans as neighbors immediately ends the conflict for good, which no other outcome does.
If (2) isn't going to happen then (4) may be the best case scenario for everyone. Even the people being expelled and their descendants would probably be better off than they would be if they remain in Gaza for for many more decades of conflict. However, I very much doubt that it can happen.
So... a nation and a religion that was defined by its thousand-year exile by an evil empire forces another nation into a thousand-year exile as the acting hand of another evil empire.
Please understand that this is, on every conceivable level, insanely fucked up and flies in the face of both reason and morality.
The best solution would be to have an integrated, secular government and plans for reparation, return, and reconciliation.
There's no reason to assume that ancient israel was any less evil than ancient rome.
Furthemore, that doesn't define judaism. There were thousands of years before and after roman conquest. Zios focus on the roman empire because that's their shitty justification for genocide, theft, etc.
This isn't any more fucked up than the genocide of native americans for example. Unfortunately there's nothing special about empire genociding people. But I don't think these zios are lobbying for native american rights, because zios are genociders.
Lastly this doesn't have much to do with "religion" versus "sucularism". Zionism was largely founded by the non-religious. It's goals are not religious but purely political/genocidal. The most "religious"/spiritual jews largely reject the zionist regime. Religion is a tool of empire, but the more fundamental problems are empire, colonialism, racism, etc.
So your solution is annihilation, let me guess you’re a liberal Zionist or something like that?
There’s only one solution, free Palestine, from the river to the sea. Palestine needs to be decolonized and Palestinians need to be given back what rightfully belongs to them.
Israel as a state should have never been established and this apartheid genocide state just needs to stop existing. All the rabid Zionists who can’t accept that Palestinians are human beings with equal rights can make use of their dual citizenship and leave. Or move to Germany or Hungary or something who seem to love them anyway.
There needs to be Nuremberg process to try all the war criminals and put them behind bars.
As for those who are willing to coexist with Palestinians can stay, but if they live on stolen land or in stolen property they can’t stay there and have to return that to their owners and move somewhere worse.
It's also not realistically achievable without somehow convincing Israel to willingly dismantle itself, given that a) a significant disparity of military power exists between it and Palestine, which isn't likely to reverse any time soon given that it is nigh impossible for Palestine to build an economic base sufficient to rival Israel while under effective occupation and b) that it is an open secret that Isreal possess nuclear weapons, making some kind of foreign invasion suicidally untenable. Actually launching those weapons would be an extremely dangerous move of course, but a state facing a clear and imminent outside threat to it's existence is exactly the kind of situation where someone might contemplate it.
The most likely thing to work out that I can envision would be if foreign support can at least shore up what remains of Palestine enough to give it sovereignty and at a stretch some means of deterrence against further attack. All that really achieves admittedly is a two state solution, which doesn't result in a Palestine with particularly favorable geography, but if it results in peace there's the hope that the hatred involved can cool with time and new generations until some kind of union can be proposed without the resultant state being at risk of collapsing into a genocidal state again.
Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany and all the colonies of the empire didn’t dismantle themselves because people asked them to do so. This has to happen through boycott, divestment, sanctions because I don’t think more war would be the answer, and I am against violence in any form.
Make Israel collapse by putting so much pressure on them that they just can’t anymore. Our governments won’t just do this, so we have to do it ourselves. It’s a slow process, but it’s a process and with every escalation by them it speeds up.
Unfortunately it doesn’t help the Gazans who are being annihilated right now, but the future I outlined is the only future Palestinians deserve.
I get the idea, and I'm not opposed to things like that, given that they don't seem likely to worsen the situation and might extract some kind of concession from Israel, but I don't expect that it'd be likely to actually work. Israel is not, for it's similarities, exactly the same as South Africa and Nazi Germany (the latter of which, for that matter, didn't exactly collapse just because of economic sanctions), and sanctions have their limits, else for example North Korea would have collapsed long ago, along with a whole host of other regimes that have gained the ire of significant parts of the world for one reason or another.
South Africa was a nuclear power backed by the same countries that now back the genocide. It was hard to imagine back then that the apartheid would end, but it happened.
Yeah as I said, I’m against violence so I advocate for the boycott solution and not for the Nazi Germany treatment even though some might feel like the Zionists would deserve that…
One other option beyond BDS (and not involving an invasion) would be countries removing diplomatic recognition of Israel and expelling all Israeli diplomats.
This is of course easier said than done, but it's far more viable than any other alternative courses of action.
I recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappé. Israel already is on a trajectory of collapse. The society has many inner rifts.Many people who can afford it leave. The economy would fall apart without the lifeline from its allies. When it comes to anything outside of mass slaughtering civilians, invading countries without leadership and blowing up infrastructure, the IDF is a quite incompetent military.
It will not collapse tomorrow and maybe not in 10 years. But in the long run the zionist project is failing. The question remains how much more genocide Israels allies want to squeeze out of the opportunity.
Do you think maybe not giving an ethnostate unlimited veto support and munitions is an option before your 4 tiers of capitulation of, at best, a return to the apartheid that resulted in Hamas?
Israel won't stop fighting upon gaining the historical borders of Israel & Judah. That was never the final goal, it's just the current justification.
The Israeli state is sort of doomed to be in a constant ethno-religious war with its neighbours, because- 1. the Israeli state is full of fascists. 2. Most of its neighbours have islamic fundamentalist governments, or otherwise have authoritarian power structures that will have to bend to the religious right in times of crisis.
This means that Israel presently relies on an external backer for its security (the US). Its number one policy goal is to change that fact. As a fascist regime, it's only really got one tool, which is to invade its enemies and engage in settler-colonialism (google Greater Israel). Like it's doing in Gaza. The fringe ultra-right in Israel are already calling to annex Lebanon, to "eliminate Hezbollah".
This is also doomed to fail and cause even more misery.
Yeah I think there are some issues with my analysis, esp my understanding of the relationship between the Egyptian & Syrian govt, and their nations' islamic fundamentalists. Neighbours isn't the best way to frame it, but, regional opponents? Chiefly: Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran & Arabia (though the Saudis have a sort of dual character, since they have to appease the west).
This means that Israel presently relies on an external backer for its security (the US).
Makes you wonder if Israel is trying to grab as much land as possible and eliminate as many people who might have competing claims on that land as possible before the US collapses economically (and with that their giant military budget) now that Donald Trump is doing his best to make that a reality.
Even if they managed to aquire no. 2, many Israeli settlers won't accept this and will keep driving off Palestinians. With media attention focused on gaza, hostages, and the genocide war or Endlösung of the Palestinian question, those settlers openly drive out or outright kill people living on the land longer than Israel exists. Peace in Gaza won't stop this.
Hamas isn't the problem. Both Hamas and the PA tried peace and a 2-state solution along 1967 borders. The Arab League offered peace and normalization to Israel on similar terms in 2002. Israel, specifically the right which keeps winning elections, rejected all peace attempts. Netanyahu's party the Likud adheres to the ideology of Jabotinsky and refuses any Palestinian statehood at all:
[It is the] iron law of every colonizing movement, a law which knows of no exceptions, a law which existed in all times and under all circumstances. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else – or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempts to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not “difficult”, not “dangerous” but IMPOSSIBLE! … Zionism is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important to build, it is important to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonialization.
As quoted by Lenni Brenner, in The Iron Wall: Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir (1984), where the quotation is cited as being from "The Iron Law"
Jabotinsky wanted to go further and claim both banks of the Jordan river. Today in Israel talks of annexing Lebanon, Syria and beyond as part of Greater Israel are becoming more mainstream.
"Israeli government accounts on the social media site X have been posting a video with a quote from a freed hostage, in which she says that “there are no innocent civilians” in Gaza."
Israeli government accounts on X have been posting a video with a quote from a freed Israeli hostage, where she says “there are no innocent civilians” in Gaza.
Why do you inquiry people based on their religion, and not their social class or nationality ? Or their implication in the settlements ? They may have interesting numbers their, but this poll decided to racialize the conflict.
Why shall we trust a poll in fascist state at war, that conclude that the leader have the support of the nationality of that fascim ? That really seems like propaganda.
That's not the point. This a fascist state, which imply a massive support from the population, their is no debate.
So we have to stop being so naive. What say those numbers ? Who allow those numbers to exists ? What those numbers do not tell ? Why nobody ask themselves those questions ?
Those numbers in showing racial struggle may hide social struggle or imperialist struggle
in a fascist state at ware, this poll could have been invisibilized or forbid by the Israel. So, it may help it's propaganda
I don't think any difference in the support of Israeli people to they fascist government that the support of people in western countries to their own government. In focusing in this imperialistic situation, may be a lot of people could avoid to fight it. Even if we are more efficient their, and it's may help Palestine
Finally, some racist people may attack jews around the world because of the confusion made between us and Israel. And again, that confusion is one of the objective of Israel propaganda
All my statements are against the state of Israel (and any imperialist state), and against Zionism (and every state nationalism). I'm just afraid that people are confused between jews and zionist. And you short reading trend to prove my right
Why do you inquiry people based on their religion, and not their social class or nationality ?
Because Israel, in effect, has two different nationalities: Jewish Israeli and Palestinian Israeli. Polling without considering this simply results in less useful data.
Nationalities (or citizenships has pointed by @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) are made by the ruling class, and have no reality in it-selves. I don't say we couldn't used those categories, but we have to stay critic.
If not, we will hide some solidarity or antagonism between class. Israel threat a lot of people, including Jews (Falashas, Sefarad, Yiddish, ...), and is supported by anti-semits (radical evangelists, far right party, nazi organization), ...
A poll based on legal categories in an apartheid state is accurate. However, using the name chosen by the nationalist propaganda (i.e "Jews" and not "Jewish Citizenship") is taking part in this propaganda, and have disastrous effect.
Israel does this almost unique thing in the World which is split Citizenship from Nationality, with those who have the former only having the latter if they're Jews (constitutionally only a Jew can be an Israeli national). Further Israeli Citizenship is broken into Jewish Israeli and Non-Jewish Israeli, with the latter having less rights than the former (for example, Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens require "authorization" from local authorities to go live in certain parts of the country).
Israel was set up as an Apartheid state from the very beginning.
That said the other poster made a mistake: Palestinians are not Israelis - not even Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens - and have no rights at all in Israel. Further, there is no right to Israeli Citizenship by being born in Israel (unless you're a Jew: any Jew, anywhere in the World, has a right to Israeli Nationality, which also gives them Jewish Israeli Citizenship).
This has interesting effects such as people whose families have lived in Jerusalem for generations not having Israeli Citizenship because it was denied to them even though they were born there and lived there their whole lives. Of course, all of these people are not Jewish as all Jews constitutionally have a right to Israeli Nationality.
So By Law Israel has 3 different classes of people living there, in decreasing order of the rights they have: - Jews, which by law are all Israeli Nationals (a Jew can literally arrive in Tel-Aviv, ask for Israeli Nationality and get it) and hence are also Jewish Israeli Citizens. - Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens - Non-Israeli Citizen, which includes all Palestinians even those born in the territory of Israel as Israel can and frequently does simply refuse to give them even just Non-Jewish Israeli Citizenship.
The don't gatekeep Jewishness, they gatekeep Israeli Nationality on the basis of being Jewish or not.
I have no idea how they determine who is a Jew and who is not.
What I do know, which is pretty damn interesting, is that Etiopian Jews, who are Black, did got Israeli Nationality when they came to Israel and asked for it, same as all other Jews but from what I read the State Of Israel still treated them differently (for example, see here, though this being Britain and the BBC they're likely reporting a milder subset of reality).
Protests over the beating of an Ethiopian Israeli soldier have thrown the spotlight on the Ethiopian Jewish community in Israel, writes Prof Yossi Mekelberg.
No, it's not. Again the biggest organization that support zionism is evangelist. A lot of atheist people are atheist, and a lot of jews are not zionist, or are anti-zionist. You making short link that break solidarity and make confusion their.
Yes religion used to justify nationalism, colonialist, imperialist and apaththeid... as a propaganda. We don't fighting Israej in repeating its propaganda.
Yiddish culture has piratically been destroy by Israel policy. Jews from Ethiopia (Falashas) has been sterilized by force the Israel. Being Jews or not is unrelated with Israel.
The ideology that the jewish people are owed the promised land of Jerusalem, by god, and that any means to control that holy land are justified, is 100% absolutely a RELIGIOUS extremist beleif.
During demo for palestine, we were a lot of Jews; some not practising, some without belief, and some orthodoxe. If you are surprised, by one of those statement, you may reconsider what you think of who are jews or not; because is neither to you or Israel to decide.
Christian Bible said that everyone have to be convert; I would not say that every Christian are intolerant to other bielief. It's obvious that every christians to not believe in eevrything in the bible. Why Jews couldn't do the same with the Torah ?
Living in a land is unrelated to forbid anyone else to do the same. Jews where diving there for millennium before the colonization. And finally, if you thing that we all have to be fundamentalists, the Torah said that the diaspora is is a divine punition, and that this is the role of the messiah to lead us to Israel. Lots of orthodoxe are anti-zionist saying that only god thogh the messiah could allow us to move in Israel.
No Zionist are not jews extremists. . Some Jews extremist are, and zionist are not jews. Some Zionist are christians extremist, some zionist are atheist. Zionism is preteding to defend Jewish people. Its racist and colonial against people of Palestine, people from maghreb or Africa, and it could be antisemitic too : lemmy.wtf/post/22551217
waiting for bill maher who claimed muslims were inferior because some muslim countries supposedly supported this and that according to random polls. surely he will be consistent.
About 800,000 Germans were arrested during the war for actively resisting. That's about 1% of the population arrested. And these were just the bravest ones. The less glorious ones are probably a bigger number.
That's not to deny that a majority was supporting the Nazis. That's to make the distinction between "most" and "all".
My understanding is that Israeli TV is hugely responsible for making this mainstream. Just like in Rwanda where radio played a huge role in the genocide.
It's almost as if genocide scholars have been warning about a series of patterns over the last couple of years...
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Serious question, how much of this has to do with hamas not releasing the hostages. I would imagine they’d be hearing and talking bout getting their people back constantly.
It's hard to say. With or without hostages, October 7 was extremely traumatic; and came in the context of a population already primed to be suspicious of Palestinians. In particular, the West Bank ethnic cleansing was already well underway with the tacit support of the general population; as although for most people that support was more about apathy than proactive support. Looking at how the US lost its shit for decades after 9/11, it is clear that hostages are not necessary for that to happen. Israel has also to deal with follow up attacks, which has a way of keeping trauma fresh.
Regarding the role of the hostages in this case, the first thing to acknowledge is that the actual response by Israel has not prioritized the hostages. Critical members of Israel's current governing coalition have threatened to leave over prior attempts at a hostage deal. This has lead a serious rift developing between the current government and many of the hostage families.
However, from a propaganda side, the hostages have been a major assesset to the current government (both internationally and domestically). Most people are simply not that engaged in politics. We have heard repeatedly from Israeli military leadership that there are no achievat military goals left in Gaza. However, it is hard for that message to break through when the other side can point to the hostages and say "freeing those people is our goal". Nevermind the fact that everyone paying attention knows that military action is not an effective tool of hostage release [0] and almost all of the freed hostages have been freed as a result of diplomacy.
[0] It can be useful for leverage in negotiations; but Israel is well past the point needed for that.
Most of October 7 was a crime, even without the hostages. Taking the hostages was itself a crime, and continuing to hold them continues to be a crime.
The question of what Hamas "should" do is more complicated. Clearly following international law is not a priority for them, so that justification goes out the window.
In terms of actually advancing their interests, I don't see much benefit to them. Their biggest asset in Israeli domestic politics are the hostages. The political pressure in Israel to free them is real, and the decision makers all know that a deal is the only way to meet that. Further, a not insignificant portion of the population oppose the war in it's current form specifically because of the hostages. The only wins Hamas has gotten has been through hostage negotiations.
In exchange for giving all of that up, Hamas gets a slight benefit in the PR war. It is a very hard sell to say that is a good trade.
If you want Hamas to free the hostages, you need to get to a point where "Hamas should free the hostages" is true from the perspective of Hamas. Then, you can work on convincing them it is true. The good news is that Hamas is very amenable to the idea that releasing hostages is in their interest. That is the entire reason you take hostages: to get some benefit by releasing them.
I am using "should" in a moral sense, according to my own moral compass. I mean that according to my own morality they "should do the right thing". Nothing beyond that.
Netanyahu want to continue the genocide even after hostages are released . Don't tell the oppressed what to do when the west been ignoring 57 years of occupation and dozens of atrocities like 7 of October through history .
You should ask for Israel to end occupation, allow a one or two state solution then bring people responsible of atrocities on both side
Go through my comment history buddy, you're preaching to the choir. The fact that the Israeli apartheid regime is committing genocide is one thing. The fact that Hamas should not have taken non-combatant hostages is another. And sorry but no, I refuse to identify Hamas with "the oppressed". They are fanatics propped up by slave-owners in the Gulf and politically useful idiots of the Israeili apartheid regime.
You are an idealist ignoring history and human psychology .It would be cool if there was a resistance group that do not target any civilians and do not get money from shady group. This was never the case. I can got in history and see ton of massacre commited by the oppressed due to oppresion. Like nana sahib in india promising safety to a bunch of british civilians amd soldier and ending up massacring them.
Palestinians won't stay silence and keep hearing the useless both commited attrocities bs , waiting arabs and west countries to help which they will never do.
I don't support hamas, i support their actions against the idf terrorists only
Talking about a useful idiot, that's the palestinian autority collaborating with israel while israel arm and protect violent terrorists settlers and expanding settlements
You are so hardcore and knowledgeable of human history and psychology. So hardcore. Yea.
Look buddy. The world fucking sucks, right? People do horrible things. People are locked into doing horrible things. People are desperate, and brutalized and traumatized and beaten down. You can look at that and say, yea that's how it is.
Or you can look at it and say We Should Do Better. You call that idealism? Good. In a world where reality is becoming more brutal by the hour, maybe a little idealism is what exactly we need.
Go through my comment history buddy, you’re preaching to the choir.
Ending the occupation is the obvious solution. The occupation and the apartheid is the root of all this shit.
Here's the catch for you though: ending the occupation is not realistic, it's the most idealistic thing one could be asking for right now. Because the reality on the ground, created by decades of colonization is that it is simply politically impossible to extract about a million settlers from the West Bank. So "ending the occupation" is exactly the kind of idealism that I'm also pushing for (like "don't take kids hostages"). Because if we are talking about a real liberation scenario, in the best case, we are talking about some kind of post-apartheid mess. Maybe some kind of civil war too.
So don't you fucking run your mouth at me about history and human psychology. I'm tired of supposed hardcore know-it-alls. Hayde malaka.
Go through my comment history buddy, you’re preaching to the choir.
I don't care about your comment history. You keep saying you oppose occupation then deny Palestinians right to armed resistance.
Here's the catch for you though: ending the occupation is not realistic, it's the most idealistic thing one could be asking for right now.
Here the catch, no occupied country knew that one day there will liberate themselves from occupation, they just has to do what they have to do.
Ending occupation by all mean necessary is certainly more realistic then yelling in the cloud stop occupation and expect the occupier to stop occupying.
Because the reality on the ground, created by decades of colonization is that it is simply politically impossible to extract about a million settlers from the West Bank. So "ending the occupation" is exactly the kind of idealism that I'm also pushing for (like "don't take kids hostages").
That's why I ask for a one state solution. This is also ending the occupation and the only solution to stop violence on both side. Do you agree that a one state solution is the best option and this would happen only if Israel is weaken military and economically?
Strategically, we are aligned, we are in agreement. Yes, a bi-/pluri- national successor democracy with equal rights for all people, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, etc, Arab, Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Druze, etc. Indigenous, Migrant, Refugee, etc. Yes. With democracy and equal rights to all. With safety to all. A state and a society that would honour the Nakba AND the Holocaust.
Tactically, no. I am not denying Palestinians the right to armed resistance. I am denying them the right to cruelty. Killing, injuring, capturing soldiers in battle? That's their right and god damn it I cheer them when they do it. Doing the same things to civilians? Fuck. No. I maintain the need for moral clarity in this shit that we are in. And that's our difference: you are embracing a kind of pseudo-revolutionary nihilism that is willing to accept cruelty if it comes from the below. You pretend that is somehow "by all means necessary", as if kidnapping kids is ever "necessary". Fuck. No. Your politics is anti-political, it is a dead-end, there is no possibility for a future, just hatred and larping Malcolm X. You want an end to the violence? Good. Start acting like it.
The 7 of October atrocities would never happen if the UN country members did all they can do to stop the occupation. They could all decide to isolate Israel economically in the first year of Israel occupying Gaza and the west bank.
Before 7 of October the west countries population completely forgot about the 5 decades of occupation. The western leaders continued to support Israel with arms and economical exchange. The Arab countries was going to sign the Abraham accord isolating Palestinians even more , Israel never stopped building new settlements , they armed the settlers and are protecting them from legal persecution when they attack Palestinians. Israel left Gaza military and decided to control it from the outside. That mean Hamas would have never been able to do such a big operation that would shake the world and reminds the west and Arab countries for their duty to stop the occupation which again decide to ignore their duty and think that some smoke screen action would stop the occupation
I don't think there is a resistance group that didn't do act of terrorism due to oppression and desperation , technically and in real world you are denying Palestinians from armed resistance given by international laws. Without realizing it you basically adopt the status quo both side did terrible things and occupation will maintain.
I will continue to support the resistance actions of defense against the IDF and condemn the atrocities they did until a better resistance group appear or occupation end. I would call for punishing any person who participated in atrocities once occupation end.
Given the thousands of Palestinians taken hostage by Israel both before and after Oct 7, the vast majority of which are non-combatants and are held in nightmarish conditions. How else would Hamas negotiate for their release except via a hostage exchange? Are they supposed to just give up the only bargaining chip they have?
I don't appreciate these "what else should they do" questions. I've been debating pro-zionist trolls for two years now and I no longer accept even their premise. I'm not going to turn around and apply it to Hamas.
I think holding hostages for the sake of getting your own people back from a genocidal ethnostate is maybe a little more justifiable then Zionist apologia for genocide. But maybe that's just me.
The genocidal ideology of zionism is their hegemonic narrative. It's much bigger than just TV. It's also the schools, politicians, cops/prisons, compulsory militants, etc. Genocide is the basis of their entire "society".
I don't think that's fair, they do absolutely teach Zionism from a young age, but it's not specifically genocide. Watched an interesting documentary recently about Jews in America and how they're raised, it's basically once you get pushed into the IDF THEN the genocide love starts being actively spread.
I noticed on LinkedIn that a ton of my former colleagues from Israel are now in the US. I think shifting demographics as progressives leave are a bigger part of the story than the shifting opinions these stories have been about.
The wider truth is that anyone who's remotely sane or empathetic is driven out of the zio regime. I have a friend who grew up under the regime and resisted the mandatory terrorism. He was put in prison, then he was harassed and threatened with death until he fled to USA. This dude is an exceptionally great person and for that reason he was violently forced out.
So whom does that leave over there? Only the most genocidal wackos. Thus, this completely unsurprising poll.
Also work the other way around, Jewish people from around the world that don't accept the genocide being committed on their name are not going to move to Israel, while tha ones that are OK and support it are more likely to move in and participate directly.
If you are part of a minority that was trampled on for a long, long period of time, being targeted for anhiliation and now, having a somewhat safe nation for not even 80 years within a sea of other nations wanting to destroy them... well, i absolutely can understand them to ensure their safety whatever it takes. Yeah, it may not be pretty (or to be more precise: Often outright gross), it may not be "fair"... but i can understand that they don't want to take any chances.
Sadly, I can understand that too. My understanding is that most suicide bombers are people with little to no future prospects who are either doing it because thier family will be rewarded in this life, or are convinced by others tgat they will be rewarded in the next life. They also tend to be gullible. Often they are as much a victim as those they kill. The ones we convinced them to do it, and gave them the bomb or what not. Those are the truely evil ones.
I think at this moment the total annihilation of one of the two sides is ineviteable, too much blood has been spilled too much atrocities were conducted on both sides.
Oh i can understand them also very well... but this doesn't change anything. Neither side is "good" or "bad" over there, both sides have very good reasons to keep on fighting.
No, I think the side using starvation tactics and bombing civilians is pretty bad. Sounds like war crimes to me in terms of definition we've all agreed upon.
How about the side using suicide bombers and defaulting to terrorism? Shooting unguided rockets into the general direction of a city also does not scream "good guys", am i right?
Who's actually using terrorism? Maybe the terrorists that have murdered tens of thousands of children? Expelled people from their homes? Stolen land and still stealing more in several countries?
I can't even imagine being this dumb. Phony account probably.
I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don't really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.
I mean if I grew up being told the neighbor was a dangeous crazy heathen that is hell bent on killing me. And that neighbor occasionally threw explosives over the fence. I would want them gone no matter if they had a good reason or what not.
Article is walled, so I couldn't read it. But I bet the questions were setup to differentiate expelling them from killing them. So I can understand a lot of people wanting the Palestinians gone. That doesn't mean the same number agree with what is being done to make it happen.
I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don’t really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.
The same could be said for the other side... which is the reason i think this conflict is absolutely hopeless...
I care as much about the Palestinians as i care about the Israelis... from my personal point of view i have as much emotional investment in them as with any other people that kill eachother in other parts of the world, so not very much.
No you don't. If you care about both you would advocate for ending the occupation instead of saying that you understand that some jews want genociding palestinians who has nothing to do with the nazis that almost genocided them .
It's like you if you where alive during Nate Turner revolt saying I care about both salves and slaves owners
If you are part of a minority that was trampled on for a long, long period of time,
It's anti-semitic to conflate judaism with zionism. Zionists were collaborating with the nazis and using the holocaust to steal land in palestine during ww2.
I can't trust a poll that claims nearly universal support for a Genocidal government. A phony poll like that would be exactly the kind of propaganda an immoral government would spread.
Here in America, if the MAGA Nazi government claimed 82% supported them, I would literally laugh at it.
Governments like Israel and MAGA can't be trusted with anything. They are ALWAYS lying.
If you know anything about the genocidal ideology of zionism, this should be absolutely no surprise. It's always been like this. Haven't people watched any interviews with zios? Don't y'all know any zios? These people are brainwashed racists at best.
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For years Israel has been running around the world, waving their foes statements about “pushing Israel into the sea” as a call to arms against atrocity.
And now here they are, committing that very atrocity. But genocide seems inevitable when your stated goal is to be an ethnostate.
as someone with Israeli friends, I always figured this to be the case. they bemoan having to think about bomb shelters because of the occasional rocket that gets fired over into israel. they legitimately believe that Muslim countries hate them, and Muslims in general want to kill them. they live in the Old testament of the Bible, and anything that happens to Gaza is the will of God.
They are not wrong though, there are plenty of Muslims in the surrounding states that believe Jewish people are evil and should be exterminated, not because of anything happening in the real world but because they are being told that they'll have to fight and kill them during the end times anyway.
Jew lived in yemen - Iraq - Palestine - Egypt - Morocco - Iran for hundred of years. Saying Arab hate jew is propaganda.
The hate is for Israeli and those who supported them through the year while they genocide - destroy villages- cites- farms- didnt allow people to go back home.. in fact they kick them out of their own home and allowing an American zionist Jew to just take the land.
They build shelter because they know they are a colony and sooner or later people of the land will attempt to get them back. Not because “Arab hate them”
It's also starting to get really obvious isn't it? I mean, you really have to be provincial. I'm actually thinking of moving to the country and trying bigotry for a bit myself. You know, before we've missed it completely. It's just that there's a really good shawarma place round the corner from us here.
I don't even know what to say to you, but your interpretation of what I wrote is so over the top that I can just assume that you're trolling. I especially liked the bit where you turned some Muslims into all Arabs, as if they are one and the same and all the same.
Jee I wonder what could have happened that made them hate jews that much. You know, the same jews who used to live in north africa for milleniums without anybody gazing them but the french
Uh, no. They live in the living memory of the Six-Day War. I'm not going to defend the behavior of the current Israeli government, but in no way are they just living out the biases the Old Testament when they think neighboring Arab states are antagonistic to them. They remember 1967, and if you think that all neighboring Arab states have done a 180 from where they were then, you're very much wrong.
“they legitimately believe that Muslim countries hate them, and Muslims in general want to kill them”
Do you have any experience with the press in their neighboring countries? There are absolutely some sources pushing this narrative in the opinion sections from time to time. I used to read The Daily Star (Lebanon) to follow Israeli news from a non-Israeli perspective and would see this in that paper a few times a year.
By no means am I suggesting that the billions of Muslims uniformly want to kill Israelis but the percentage that does isn’t zero.
They’ve literally been doing this shit since they pushed the Palestinians out of the way almost eighty fucking years ago. Of course the population is okay with it.
db0 set up an AI image generator bot both on the Threadverse and Mastodon some time back for anyone to use. All one needs to do is mention it in a comment followed by the text "draw for me" and then prompt text, and it'll respond with some generated images. For example:
@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me An engraving of a skunk.
The bot has apparently been active for some time and it looks like few people were aware that it existed or used it --- I certainly wasn't!
I don't know whether it will work in this community, as this community says that it prohibits most bots from operating here. However, I set up a test thread over here on !test@sh.itjust.works to try it out, where it definitely does work; I was exploring some of how it functions there, and if you're looking for a test place to try it out, that should work!
It farms out the compute work to various people who are donating time on their GPUs via AI Horde.
The FAQ for the bot is here. For those familiar with local image generation, it supports a number of different models.
The default model is Flux, which is, I think, a good choice --- that takes English-like sentences describing a picture, and is pretty easy to use without a lot of time reading documentation.
A few notes:
The bot disallows NSFW image generation, and if it detects one, it'll impose a one-day tempban on its use to try to make it harder for people searching for loopholes to generate them.
There appears to me in my brief testing to be some kind of per-user rate limit. db0 says that he does have a rate limit on Mastodon, but wasn't sure whether he put one on Lemmy, so if you might only be able to generate so many images so quickly.
The way one chooses a model is to change the "style" by ending the prompt text with "style: stylename". Some of these styles entail use of a different model; among other things, it's got models specializing in furry images; there's a substantial furry fandom crowd here. There's a list of supported styles here with sample images.
db0 has encouraged people to use it in that test post and in another thread where we were discussing this, says have fun. I wanted to post here to give it some visibility, since I think that a lot of people, like me, have been unaware that has been available. Especially for people on phones or older computers, doing local AI image generation on GPUs really isn't an option, and this lets folks who do have GPUs share them with those folks.
GENEVA – UN experts today called for safe passage for the Freedom Flotilla Coalition’s ship carrying essential medical aid, food, and baby supplies to Gaza which departed from Italy on 1 June 2025.
“Aid is desperately needed for the people of Gaza to forestall annihilation, and this initiative is a symbolic and powerful effort to deliver it. Israel should remember that the world is watching closely and refrain from any act of hostility against the Freedom Flotilla Coalition and its passengers,” the experts said.
“The people of Gaza have the right to receive aid through their own territorial waters even under occupation, and the Coalition ship has the right to free passage in international waters to reach the people of Gaza,” they said. “Israel must not interfere with its freedom of navigation, long recognised under international law.”
Understanding why and how the US Empire is dying and what needs to be done to bring about Socialism is comforting.
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Dialectical and Historical Materialism
Critique of Capitalism along the lines of Marx's Law of Value
Advocacy for Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism
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Section I: Getting Started
What the heck is Communism, anyways? For that matter, what is fascism?
Breaks down fascism and its mortal enemy, Communism, as well as their antagonistic relationship. Understanding what fascism is, where and when it rises, why it does so, and how to banish it forever is critical. Parenti also helps debunk common anti-Communist myths, from both the "left" and the right, in a quick-witted writing style. This is also an excellent time to watch the famous speech.
Section II: Historical and Dialectical Materialism
By far my favorite primer on Marxist philosophy. By understanding Dialectical and Historical Materialism first, you make it easier to understand the rest of Marxism-Leninism. Don't be intimidated!
Further reading on Dialectical and Historical Materialism, but crucially introduces the why of Scientific Socialism, explaining how Capitalism itself prepares the conditions for public ownership and planning by centralizing itself into monopolist syndicates. This is also where Engels talks about the failures of previous "Utopian" Socialists.
Section III: Political Economy
That's right, it's time for the Law of Value and a deep-dive into Imperialism. If we are to defeat Capitalism, we must learn it's mechanisms, tendencies, contradictions, and laws.
Best taken as a pair, these essays simplify the most important parts of the Law of Value. Marx is targetting those not trained in economics here, but you might want to keep a pen and some paper to follow along if you are a visual person.
Absolutely crucial and the most important work for understanding the modern era and its primary contradictions. Marxist-Leninists understand that Imperialism is the greatest contradiction in the modern era, which cascades downward into all manner of related contradictions. Knowing what dying Capitalism looks like, and how it behaves, means we can kill it.
Section IV: Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism
Can we defeat Capitalism at the ballot box? What about just defeating fascism? What about the role of the state?
If Marxists believed reforming Capitalist society was possible, we would be the first in line for it. Sadly, it isn't possible, which Luxemburg proves in this monumental writing.
Excellent refutation of revisionists and Social Democrats who think the State can be reformed, without needing to be replaced with one that is run by the workers, in their own interests.
Section V: Intersectionality and Solidarity
The revolution will not be fought by atomized individuals, but by an intersectional, international working class movement. Intersectionality is critical, because it allows different marginalized groups to work together in collective interest, unifying into a broad movement.
Critical reading on understanding misogyny, transphobia, enbyphobia, pluralphobia, and homophobia, as well as how to move beyond the base subject of "gender." Uses the foundations built up in the previous works to analyze gender theory from a Historical Materialist perspective.
De-colonialism is essential to Marxism. Without having a strong, de-colonial, internationalist stance, we have no path to victory nor a path to justice. Fanon analyzes Colonialism's dehumanizing effects, and lays out how to form a de-colonial movement, as well as its necessity.
Solidarity and intersectionality are the key to any social movement. When different social groups fight for liberation together along intersectional lines, the movements are emboldened and empowered ever-further.
Section VI: Putting it into Practice!
It's not enough to endlessly read, you must put theory to practice. That is how you can improve yourself and the movements you support. Touch grass!
Mao wrote simply and directly, targeting peasant soldiers during the Revolutionary War in China. This pair of essays equip the reader with the ability to apply the analytical tools of Dialectical Materialism to their every day practice, and better understand problems.
Congratulations, you completed your introductory reading course!
With your new understanding and knowledge of Marxism-Leninism, here is a mini What is to be Done? of your own to follow, and take with you as practical advice.
Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to us to protect ourselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there's an org you like more near you and join it.
Read theory. Don't think that you are done now! Just because you have the basics, doesn't mean you know more than you do. If you have not investigated a subject, don't speak on it! Don't speak nonsense, but listen!
Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground, let nobody be forgotten or left behind. There is strength in numbers, when one marginalized group is targeted, many more are sure to follow.
Be industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well.
Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. Liberals will not save us, we must save each other.
Be persistent. If you feel like a single water droplet against a mountain, think of canyons and valleys. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.
"Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent."
Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO) is a national organization of revolutionaries fighting for socialism in the United States. Our home is in the working class.
Wait I’m intrigued that there’s a happy ending in the long run? I’m super ignorant in this area but like…have other countries we view as relatively socialist (Euro stuff?) gone through a similar process that the US is going through? Definitely looking for some optimism these days.
Europe isn't Socialist, it's Capitalist but more solidly focused on welfare. Just like the US (and Canada) though, they depend on massive exploitation of the global south. Marxists call this "Imperialism." Imperialism is the highest, dying stage of Capitalism, where Capitalism cannot sustain itself internally and seeks external sources to prolong itself. Imperialism also causes the Imperialized to go against it, though, and because industrialized production largely gets shipped overseas, this leaves Imperialist countries in struggle.
Right now, Trump is trying to restart USian manufacturing, but it isn't working. China is quickly overtaking it, because it is both a Socialist country and therefore can more effectively plan for the long term, and has a far larger industrial capacity.
The optimism is that it will likely get better after it gets worse. Imperialism needs to be killed, but in killing it we can move beyond financial dominance and into a collaborative, industrialized economy based on collective planning, ie Socialism. In short, revolution allows us to shift from a privately driven economy to a publicly driven economy, and this revolution becomes more likely as time goes on due to conditions worsening. Capitalism can't save itself because it isn't profitable to reindustrialize, due to an era of financial dominance, only a massive FDR style New Deal could delay this process, or people continuing to capitulate to the US Empire.
Fuck it, shameless plug: check out my "Read Theory, Darn it!" introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list if you don't know where to start but want to begin with theory.
It's time to read theory, comrades! As Lenin says, "Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle." Reading theory helps us identify the core contradictions within modern society, analyze their trajectories, and gives us the tools to break free. Marxism-Leninism is broken into 3 major components, as noted by Lenin in his pamphlet The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism: | Audiobook
Dialectical and Historical Materialism
Critique of Capitalism along the lines of Marx's Law of Value
Advocacy for Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism
As such, I created the following list to take you from no knowledge whatsoever of Leftist theory, and leave you with a strong understanding of the critical fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism in an order that builds up as you read. Let's get started!
Section I: Getting Started
What the heck is Communism, anyways? For that matter, what is fascism?
Breaks down fascism and its mortal enemy, Communism, as well as their antagonistic relationship. Understanding what fascism is, where and when it rises, why it does so, and how to banish it forever is critical. Parenti also helps debunk common anti-Communist myths, from both the "left" and the right, in a quick-witted writing style. This is also an excellent time to watch the famous speech.
Section II: Historical and Dialectical Materialism
By far my favorite primer on Marxist philosophy. By understanding Dialectical and Historical Materialism first, you make it easier to understand the rest of Marxism-Leninism. Don't be intimidated!
Further reading on Dialectical and Historical Materialism, but crucially introduces the why of Scientific Socialism, explaining how Capitalism itself prepares the conditions for public ownership and planning by centralizing itself into monopolist syndicates. This is also where Engels talks about the failures of previous "Utopian" Socialists.
Section III: Political Economy
That's right, it's time for the Law of Value and a deep-dive into Imperialism. If we are to defeat Capitalism, we must learn it's mechanisms, tendencies, contradictions, and laws.
Best taken as a pair, these essays simplify the most important parts of the Law of Value. Marx is targetting those not trained in economics here, but you might want to keep a pen and some paper to follow along if you are a visual person.
Absolutely crucial and the most important work for understanding the modern era and its primary contradictions. Marxist-Leninists understand that Imperialism is the greatest contradiction in the modern era, which cascades downward into all manner of related contradictions. Knowing what dying Capitalism looks like, and how it behaves, means we can kill it.
Section IV: Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism
Can we defeat Capitalism at the ballot box? What about just defeating fascism? What about the role of the state?
If Marxists believed reforming Capitalist society was possible, we would be the first in line for it. Sadly, it isn't possible, which Luxemburg proves in this monumental writing.
Excellent refutation of revisionists and Social Democrats who think the State can be reformed, without needing to be replaced with one that is run by the workers, in their own interests.
Section V: Intersectionality and Solidarity
The revolution will not be fought by atomized individuals, but by an intersectional, international working class movement. Intersectionality is critical, because it allows different marginalized groups to work together in collective interest, unifying into a broad movement.
Critical reading on understanding misogyny, transphobia, enbyphobia, pluralphobia, and homophobia, as well as how to move beyond the base subject of "gender." Uses the foundations built up in the previous works to analyze gender theory from a Historical Materialist perspective.
De-colonialism is essential to Marxism. Without having a strong, de-colonial, internationalist stance, we have no path to victory nor a path to justice. Fanon analyzes Colonialism's dehumanizing effects, and lays out how to form a de-colonial movement, as well as its necessity.
Solidarity and intersectionality are the key to any social movement. When different social groups fight for liberation together along intersectional lines, the movements are emboldened and empowered ever-further.
Section VI: Putting it into Practice!
It's not enough to endlessly read, you must put theory to practice. That is how you can improve yourself and the movements you support. Touch grass!
Mao wrote simply and directly, targeting peasant soldiers during the Revolutionary War in China. This pair of essays equip the reader with the ability to apply the analytical tools of Dialectical Materialism to their every day practice, and better understand problems.
Congratulations, you completed your introductory reading course!
With your new understanding and knowledge of Marxism-Leninism, here is a mini What is to be Done? of your own to follow, and take with you as practical advice.
Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to us to protect ourselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there's an org you like more near you and join it.
Read theory. Don't think that you are done now! Just because you have the basics, doesn't mean you know more than you do. If you have not investigated a subject, don't speak on it! Don't speak nonsense, but listen!
Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground, let nobody be forgotten or left behind. There is strength in numbers, when one marginalized group is targeted, many more are sure to follow.
Be industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well.
Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. Liberals will not save us, we must save each other.
Be persistent. If you feel like a single water droplet against a mountain, think of canyons and valleys. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.
"Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent."
Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO) is a national organization of revolutionaries fighting for socialism in the United States. Our home is in the working class.
Really good book! A little bit inaccessible in the first two chapters though.
Jokes aside, a good start is to join a socialist org, participate, and start developing yourself politically. I believe cowbee has a good reading list.
It's time to read theory, comrades! As Lenin says, "Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle." Reading theory helps us identify the core contradictions within modern society, analyze their trajectories, and gives us the tools to break free. Marxism-Leninism is broken into 3 major components, as noted by Lenin in his pamphlet The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism: | Audiobook
Dialectical and Historical Materialism
Critique of Capitalism along the lines of Marx's Law of Value
Advocacy for Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism
As such, I created the following list to take you from no knowledge whatsoever of Leftist theory, and leave you with a strong understanding of the critical fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism in an order that builds up as you read. Let's get started!
Section I: Getting Started
What the heck is Communism, anyways? For that matter, what is fascism?
Breaks down fascism and its mortal enemy, Communism, as well as their antagonistic relationship. Understanding what fascism is, where and when it rises, why it does so, and how to banish it forever is critical. Parenti also helps debunk common anti-Communist myths, from both the "left" and the right, in a quick-witted writing style. This is also an excellent time to watch the famous speech.
Section II: Historical and Dialectical Materialism
By far my favorite primer on Marxist philosophy. By understanding Dialectical and Historical Materialism first, you make it easier to understand the rest of Marxism-Leninism. Don't be intimidated!
Further reading on Dialectical and Historical Materialism, but crucially introduces the why of Scientific Socialism, explaining how Capitalism itself prepares the conditions for public ownership and planning by centralizing itself into monopolist syndicates. This is also where Engels talks about the failures of previous "Utopian" Socialists.
Section III: Political Economy
That's right, it's time for the Law of Value and a deep-dive into Imperialism. If we are to defeat Capitalism, we must learn it's mechanisms, tendencies, contradictions, and laws.
Best taken as a pair, these essays simplify the most important parts of the Law of Value. Marx is targetting those not trained in economics here, but you might want to keep a pen and some paper to follow along if you are a visual person.
Absolutely crucial and the most important work for understanding the modern era and its primary contradictions. Marxist-Leninists understand that Imperialism is the greatest contradiction in the modern era, which cascades downward into all manner of related contradictions. Knowing what dying Capitalism looks like, and how it behaves, means we can kill it.
Section IV: Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism
Can we defeat Capitalism at the ballot box? What about just defeating fascism? What about the role of the state?
If Marxists believed reforming Capitalist society was possible, we would be the first in line for it. Sadly, it isn't possible, which Luxemburg proves in this monumental writing.
Excellent refutation of revisionists and Social Democrats who think the State can be reformed, without needing to be replaced with one that is run by the workers, in their own interests.
Section V: Intersectionality and Solidarity
The revolution will not be fought by atomized individuals, but by an intersectional, international working class movement. Intersectionality is critical, because it allows different marginalized groups to work together in collective interest, unifying into a broad movement.
Critical reading on understanding misogyny, transphobia, enbyphobia, pluralphobia, and homophobia, as well as how to move beyond the base subject of "gender." Uses the foundations built up in the previous works to analyze gender theory from a Historical Materialist perspective.
De-colonialism is essential to Marxism. Without having a strong, de-colonial, internationalist stance, we have no path to victory nor a path to justice. Fanon analyzes Colonialism's dehumanizing effects, and lays out how to form a de-colonial movement, as well as its necessity.
Solidarity and intersectionality are the key to any social movement. When different social groups fight for liberation together along intersectional lines, the movements are emboldened and empowered ever-further.
Section VI: Putting it into Practice!
It's not enough to endlessly read, you must put theory to practice. That is how you can improve yourself and the movements you support. Touch grass!
Mao wrote simply and directly, targeting peasant soldiers during the Revolutionary War in China. This pair of essays equip the reader with the ability to apply the analytical tools of Dialectical Materialism to their every day practice, and better understand problems.
Congratulations, you completed your introductory reading course!
With your new understanding and knowledge of Marxism-Leninism, here is a mini What is to be Done? of your own to follow, and take with you as practical advice.
Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to us to protect ourselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there's an org you like more near you and join it.
Read theory. Don't think that you are done now! Just because you have the basics, doesn't mean you know more than you do. If you have not investigated a subject, don't speak on it! Don't speak nonsense, but listen!
Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground, let nobody be forgotten or left behind. There is strength in numbers, when one marginalized group is targeted, many more are sure to follow.
Be industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well.
Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. Liberals will not save us, we must save each other.
Be persistent. If you feel like a single water droplet against a mountain, think of canyons and valleys. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.
"Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent."
Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO) is a national organization of revolutionaries fighting for socialism in the United States. Our home is in the working class.
No problem! Made it after the US election, because I thought it would be a good opportunity to help people understand what's going on and what we can actually do proactively. Glad you like it!
Without a revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement. It is impossible to emphasize this thought too much at a time when along with the fashionable preaching of opportunism people are carried away with the narrowest possible forms of…
Exactly. This should be framed as a failed coup that will result in social reform/revolution. These clowns are poorly organized, on drugs most of the time, and have no clues how the social organism works.
It's pretty shitty that they'll cause a lot of unnecessary pain tho.
It's less a coup, and more the bourgeousie opting for a hammer to try to save itself from the trap it fell into by de-industrializing and shifting most production overseas. But you're right, revolution becomes more likely.
Right wing conspiracy theorists: "YOU'LL SEE! IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE CHINESE COMMUNIST JEWISH MUSLIM SATANISTS ACTIVATE THEIR SPACE LASERS TO TURN THE EARTH INTO A SPHERE AND USE VACCINES TO RAISE CTHULHU FROM THE DEAD AND SNAP THE INFINITY GAUNTLET AND"
Left wing conspiracy theorists: "Ah shit we got proven right again."
I care, because what he says and does can drastically affect our lives in a bad way. It's important to be aware of what's happening. Ignoring him just gives him free reign to be an awful person without restriction.
Honestly, it's why most of our government is allowing someone like Trump to do whatever he wants. Because who's gonna stop them? Who's going to enforce the rule of law?
Most people just prefer to avoid political BS, so they complain about the way things are, then go back to their lives a few days later and no justice is actually performed. No accountability.
Most of the time, I feel like the #StopMuskSpam campaigns on social media are just teaching us to ignore him so he can get away with more evil acts.
And the fact that he's supposedly leaving politics feels like he's just tired of being in the spotlight and is trying to move back to the shadows so he can continue harming us without criticism.
Don't ignore him; stay in touch with everything he's doing so you're informed and can respond appropriately. And that goes for all political figures in control of our lives.
I'd still NOT trust Elon. He says one thing publicly, but might be cooking 🍳🔪 something else internally. He might be trying to save his business A.s.s. as a converted, but down deep he's still a piece of 💩.
Why is this fascist's theatre even being considered? We already know that budget bill is worthless trash to everything that may benefit the working class and common sense. We don't need his histrionics.
I wouldn't trust 💩💩💩💩 coming out of Elon mouth. A few years ago, he went public about the dangers of AI and why it'd destroy us human-race. A decade later, he owns an AI company and infiltrates ALL the US government departments with it, using the absurd and most likely lie to make it more efficient while stealing and keeping all the citizens information he could gain. Yeah right I trust Ellon as much as I trust Trump which equals to -459.67 °F coldest temperature in outer space or current absolute ZERO.
It is a disgusting abomination. I support DOGE because I wanted cuts. So what do they do? They save a little money cracking down on social security fraud, and then pass this disgusting behemoth 3.8 trillion dollar budget.
It's like biden never left office. There's no fucking way they meet the 2% inflation target after flooding the economy with another 3.8 trillion dollars. We're right back on track for hyperinflation. The same way that every other failed republic died. You can't spend your way out of currency debasement. It just accelerates the process.
What they need to do is spend less. Get that budget deal under 1 trillion dollars. They need to cut 3 trillion in spending. They won't do that because it would mean stuffing less pork into their barrels and pockets. All our representatives are corrupt and they all have friends and pet projects and hands in the cookie jar. So we're on a train with no brakes, going headfirst into hyperinflation. History repeats.
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A judge declared a mistrial in the Harvey Weinstein sex crimes retrial on Thursday after a dispute between members of the jury on the outstanding rape charge against the disgraced Hollywood movie mogul. The jury was unable to reach a verdict on the charge that Weinstein raped Jessica Mann, and a retrial on that count will follow at a later date.
Medicade is a piece of load-bearing social infrastructure that most Americans - who are not on Medicade and barely understand the difference between Medicare and Medicade - are blissfully unaware of it's ramifications for the entire healthcare system.
Put another way: The only reason we don't have hordes of people in the streets demanding universal healthcare - is because the poor have Medicade, so it's in their best-interests to behave.
Medicade is a single-payer healthcare program that is almost entirely for the poor. (eg: People that insurance companies can't squeeze money out of.)
Without Medicade most hospitals will go bankrupt - and what few social services & charities there are for the poor will be absolutely swamped to the point where they will be ineffective.
Moreover: Medicade prevents medical bills from forcing the poor from choosing between a rent & food and medication they need to live. So if Medicade gets gutted, the US homeless population is going to blow up.
When haven’t post Nixon Republicans relied on magical thinking? In 2017 they were making shit up like Kellyanne Conway’s Bowling Green Massacre. Proto Trump Sarah Palin whined about government death panels which are kinda coming to fruition but from their own fucking party. FEMA Death Camps is an ongoing fear tactic to kill public trust in government led disaster relief. Newt Gingrich era Republicans constantly talked about Seth Rich and the Clinton Body Count. Their only tactic is to obfuscate any consensus reality. They get to make up their own while getting disengaged voters to lose even more trust in the system. Deepfakes and unregulated AI is only going to make it all worse. It’s a shit feedback loop created by the most cynical, opportunistic fuckheads who offer nothing and prey on our worst impulses.
That would be true if people posting here were representative. They're not. Most people dont follow the news, and gerrymandered districts mean it'll take a lot to change things.
Meanwhile the president is saying that the former president has been replaced by a clone. Isn't there some sort of protocol for when the government is out of touch with reality?
I dont understand. I mean, payback, sure, you got yours. Now , people who were once almost wiped off the planet....now want to wipe another race off the planet.
You would think they would have sympathy for the women and children not even involved. Just trying to survive.
"During the Second Intifada, the IDF adopted a policy of house demolition following a wave of suicide bombings. Israel justified the policy on the basis of deterrence against terrorism, and providing an incentive for families of potential suicide bombers to dissuade the bomber from attacking. Demolitions can also occur in the course of fighting. During Operation Defensive Shield, several IDF soldiers were killed early in the conflict while searching houses containing militants. In response, the IDF started employing a tactic of surrounding such houses, calling on the occupants (civilian and militant) to exit, and demolishing the house on top of the militants that do not surrender. This tactic, called nohal sir lachatz (Hebrew: נוהל סיר לחץ, lit. 'pressure pot'), is now used whenever feasible (i.e., non-multi rise building that is separated from other houses). In some heavy fighting incidents, especially in the 2002 Battle of Jenin and Operation Rainbow in Rafah 2004, heavily armored IDF Caterpillar D9 bulldozers were used to demolish houses to widen alleyways, uncover tunnels, or to secure locations for IDF troops. The result was an indiscriminate use of demolitions against civilian housing unconnected to terrorism that left 1,000 people homeless in the Rafah Refugee Camp.[11]
[33]According to a report by Amnesty International in 1999, house demolitions are usually done without prior warning and the home's inhabitants are given little time to evacuate.[34] According to a 2004 Human Rights Watch report, many families in Rafah own a "cluster of homes". For example, the family may own a "small house from earlier days in the camp, often with nothing more than an asbestos roof". Later, sons will build homes nearby when they start their own families.[35]"
Fun fact: Zionist Jews by far look down on Holocaust victims and survivors, in a "this wouldn't have happened to me" kind of way. It's part of the Zionist narrative that diaspora Jews are weak and pathetic while Jews in Eretz Israel are strong. The people who founded Israel also by far had nothing to do with the Holocaust, either due to having arrived before WWII or being from the Middle East (half of Israeli Jews are of Middle Eastern descent). They like to use the Holocaust as a propaganda piece, but Israel's claim to being Holocaust survivors is flimsy at best.
Senator Alex Padilla is forcibly removed from Homeland Secretary Kristi Noem's press conference in LA.
"Hands off!," Padilla can be heard yelling.
Never seen a US senator handled this way.
Come visualizzarle da Mastodon e da Friendica le testate italiane che Flipboard ha finalmente federato?
Ora che anche diversi account italiani di Flipboard si sono uniti al Fediverso, cerchiamo di capire come seguirli al meglio, per non perderci nulla, ma anche per non farci sommergere dal flusso di informazione
Mi sembra un'ottima notizia, nel passaggio da Facebook al Fediverso una delle cose di cui sentivo più la mancanza (a parte gli amici...) erano proprio le notizie del Post. Ho messo il "follow", vediamo com'è.
Grazie per la guida, è stata un'ottima idea.
EDIT: posso finalmente rimuovere il dubbio sul "vediamo com'è", funziona perfettamente 😁
Canada’s federal police have launched a criminal investigation into several IDF soldiers who also hold Canadian citizenship, on suspicion of crimes against humanity allegedly committed during their military service, Canadian media reported Tuesday.
The report, first published by the Toronto Star, marks the first time Canadian authorities have formally opened a war crimes investigation against dual Israeli-Canadian nationals. The move has triggered concern and controversy within Canada’s Jewish and Israeli communities.
According to the report, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are investigating Canadian citizens who served in the IDF, whether in active duty or as reservists, during the war in Gaza. The probe reportedly began in 2024 but remained under wraps until now. It could include evidence collection, information sharing with international bodies and potentially even indictments on Canadian soil.
Canada opens war crimes probe into dual Israeli-Canadian IDF soldiers
Canada’s federal police have launched a criminal investigation into several IDF soldiers who also hold Canadian citizenship, on suspicion of crimes against humanity allegedly committed during their military service, Canadian media reported Tuesday.
The report, first published by the Toronto Star, marks the first time Canadian authorities have formally opened a war crimes investigation against dual Israeli-Canadian nationals. The move has triggered concern and controversy within Canada’s Jewish and Israeli communities.
According to the report, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are investigating Canadian citizens who served in the IDF, whether in active duty or as reservists, during the war in Gaza. The probe reportedly began in 2024 but remained under wraps until now. It could include evidence collection, information sharing with international bodies and potentially even indictments on Canadian soil.
Canada quietly probing citizens over alleged war crimes committed while serving in the IDF during Gaza war; launched in 2024, investigation remains unannounced; Jewish community voices concern: 'Canada is becoming more hostile toward us by the d…
No idea. It's not like a particular country that Associates itself heavily with Judaism is doing anything that's particularly egregious such as a genocide /s
Don't be that guy and start defending people of war crimes just because they are Jewish. People are not probing them because they are Jewish, they are being probed because of their war crimes.
When you read "jewish communties" in a context like this, just replace it with zionist IDF lobby. These are not grassroots complaints, they are lobby groups.
Good, because we all know international bodies won't do anything. I hope they are fully investigated and prosecuted. I hope if they commited war crimes they are fully punished.
To give Americans and International readers context, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police have a division that functions like the FBI/Europol (investigating national-scale crimes and co-ordinating provincial resources), but they also serve as local and/or state police where there is not one specific to that province, county, district or city.
Is it too late for these scumbag governments to pretend they care? The genocide is almost finished; All they are doing is washing their hands. The credibility of the west is drowning in shit.
The first investigation in how many years of genocide? After how much support for Israel in money spent and protests silenced? After how many decades of apartheid regime?
Yes. Yes they would. That should be obvious by this point.
Just like the people who spent last year shouting that the best way to stop the Gaza genocide is to elect the guy who said he wants Israel to "finish the problem."
That's seriously cool but we all know that they just use them as scapegoat while true top war criminals ruling Israel are safe from all accountabilities
Google is pausing the rollout of its AI-powered “Ask Photos” feature within Google Photos, which has been slowly expanding since last fall. “Ask Photos isn’t where it needs to be,” wrote Jamie Aspinall, a product manager for Google Photos, in a post on X responding to criticism, citing three factors: latency, quality, and user experience.
The experimental feature is powered by Google’s “most capable” Gemini AI models. Specifically, it’s a specialized version of its Gemini models that are “only used for Ask Photos,” according to Google.
Aspinall said Google had paused the feature’s rollout “at very small numbers while we address these issues,” and that in about two weeks, the team would ship a better version “that brings back the speed and recall of the original search.
At the same time, Google also announced Tuesday that keyword search in Photos is getting better, allowing you to use quotes to find exact text matches within “filenames, camera models, captions, or text within photos,” or search without quotes to include visual matches too.
Google announced the feature last May at I/O 2024, and positioned it as a way to query your Photos app for common-sense questions that another human would typically have to help with — i.e., asking about which themes you’ve chosen in the past for a child’s birthday party, or which national parks you’ve visited.
“Gemini’s multimodal capabilities can help understand exactly what’s happening in each photo and can even read text in the image if required,” the company wrote in the announcement. “Ask Photos then crafts a helpful response and picks which photos and videos to return.”
It’s not the first time Google has paused the rollout of an AI-powered feature, as it competes in a quickly intensifying AI arms race against other tech giants and startups alike.
Last May, within weeks of debuting “AI Overview” in Google Search, Google paused the feature after nonsensical and inaccurate answers went viral on social media, with no way to opt out of usage. Two high-profile examples: The feature called Barack Obama the first Muslim president of the United States, and recommended users put glue on pizza to keep the cheese on.
And last February, Google rolled out Gemini’s image-generation tool with a good deal of fanfare, then paused the feature that same month after users reported historical inaccuracies, such as an AI-generated image depicting the U.S. Founding Fathers as people of color.
Google says it’s aware of historically inaccurate results for its Gemini AI image generator, following criticism that it depicted historically white groups as people of color.
it’s so much worse than the normal search. i would search for “dog” or “pasta” or “house” and get a pretty good result, but this conversational shit is just plain worse. and the “conversational” aspect is useless
Lol why does AI need to be in ask photos when I search for a photo google can already find it with just the discription a lone for exaple License plate, name of person, time of year its so good. Just give up on the google AI please.
I need to start exploring getting away from Google completely and ditching Android I'm over it. I'd switch to an iPhone but I fucking hate Apple too so I guess we're going to start shopping the perimeter
Elon Musk has lambasted Donald Trump’s signature tax bill, calling it “a disgusting abomination”, in an outburst that threatens to destroy the relationship between the US president and his billionaire backer.
In a series of posts on his social media site X on Tuesday, Musk, who abruptly left the administration last week, hit out at what he called a “massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill”.
He added: “Shame on those who voted for it: you know you did wrong. You know it.”
Musk’s comments came just hours after Trump had criticised Republican Senator Rand Paul, a staunch fiscal conservative, for his opposition to the proposed legislation, which the president described as a “BIG GROWTH BILL” on his social media platform.
The legislation, which Trump had coined his “big, beautiful bill”, passed the House last month by one vote and is currently being considered by the Senate. It has been criticised by fiscal hawks for adding trillions to the national debt when investors are already worried about the US’s widening deficit.
Supporters of Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) have also criticised the bill, claiming it would undo some of the initiative’s savings.
Asked about Musk’s latest comments, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said: “Look, the president already knows where Elon Musk stood on this bill. It doesn’t change the president’s opinion. This is one big, beautiful bill, and he’s sticking to it.”
Musk is about to be DOGEd. We expect that trump is going to launch several investigations and find a lot of fraud relating to musk’s government contracts. 🍿time.
If Midjourney wins, other media corporations are going to host bigger and better LLMs and do the pirating. The "prompters" who think that they're being fighting corporations are the best corporate tools.
AFAIK, you don't actually need actually need an LLM to do it, as long as you do what Meta did and not upload anything at all. The one who did the copyright infringement is the one who supplied the data to you.
I imagine that they could find that leeching is illegal if you upload anything to any other torrent clients. I think Meta was claiming they were literally in the clear because they were being assholes and configuring their clients not to share at all.
But yeah, keep your ratio above 1, or you're a jerk.
I guarantee they're also adding AI slop trained on other people's work into their own content, while simultaneously suing anyone who does the same with theirs.
This is the thing... Adding insult to injury, the outcome of this is going to be (if it plays in Disney's favor) a paid model in which generating characters resembling Disney's will cost extra. So they will steal and profit
So obviously actually being an artist who draws things and someone using an AI slop machine are very different in practice, but I find it interesting that they're saying the images are unauthorized copies. Is it illegal to draw these characters now too? Or is it different because a human did it?
The argument could be made that because the image generator is essentially a regurgitator with no artistic interpretation, there is no transformative artistic value in it. It's like applying a filter with extra steps.
Also the generators charge for access, so they are profiting off of the IP. That's quite different to making something for personal use or releasing it for free.
The third one is hilarious. Like some filter is like "whoa whoa you can't commit suicide in an image, but shooting your shadow? Deep. Poignant. Mysterious. I'll allow it."
If Disney wants to stop me from using genAI or pirating, they can pry it out of my cold, dead hands.
Intellectual property is a myth, copyright is nothing more than calling dibs, and neither have enough merit for me to give a shit about either. Once an idea exists and is released into the public, it’s mine to use however I want. And use it I will, regardless of whatever the artists or developers who made it think.
I'm their defense, given that they are massive settled business, banning ai image generations will more likely hurt younger competition rather than hurt Disney.
so far, the only AI that they use was for some trippy effect for a TV show. and it was used because it does look uncanny.
Above all of this should be the glaringly historical fact that Hollywood was literally founded to escape lawyers for European film groups trying to bring those founders-to-be to justice for their, well, piracy of said films... 🤷🏼♂️ I mean, if anyone should deserve an ol' fashioned legal rogering, it's those hypocritical backbirths.
That is also true, considering he was an infamous patent troll of his time. Fuckin' killed our boy Nikolai, by proxy, and now the ass-clown is named as the inventor of all manner of things he stole from other, more capable innovators. Fuck him sideways with a Faraday pineapple.
Just days after officially departing the White House, Elon Musk is going scorched earth on the signature budget legislation being championed by President Trump.
Yup. Now Trump will blame Musk for anything that went wrong in the last 5 months - including the fallout from musk’s random vandalism of government agencies.
I wonder when Musk will realize that he is probably going to die in a Salvadoran prison.
this isn't a falling out. i swear there's been an article once a week since january pretending This Is IT between the richest man in the world and one of the most corrupt, but turns out, they have a lot to offer each other. they're talking a bunch of bullshit like they always do and news outlets are reporting their meaningless words uncritically like they always do.
This is proof right here that Musk has not stepped away. More pressure against Musk! Boycott Twitter, boycott Tesla, boycott Starlink, buy stocks in SpaceX's competitors. Keep boycotting until he's bankrupt.
This is a fight that musk can never win. Nobody is more powerful than the government. The govt can investigate you and we can be pretty much guarantee that there’s plenty to find on musk. Vindictive little taco is going to bring the full weight of the govt to bear on musk.
I dunno, Tony Stark was smart with demonstrated engineering talent. Elon has been misunderstanding the laws of physics, mostly entropy, for his entire career as something other than a paypal lottery winner.
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There is no forum for this service and it's privacy related so I think it's best sub when I can ask. When I try to loggin there is yellow error which says "there seems to be an error logging you in. please try again shortly"
You do exist. Capable people with very particular skill sets do exists but many of us would put others at risk by acting. People like you and those with nothing to lose will be all that keep kids from growing up orphans. There's honor in that if such a thing exists.
I know it’s hella cheesy and there’s a masculinity joke about the fantasy of wanting to live out the cliche that is sacrificing yourself to buy time for others to run off and live, but honestly with fascism at everyone’s doorstep and me without ever having had a retirement plan or sense of purpose, I can’t think of a better opportunity to line myself up to live out that fantasy.
…mind you I am not actively seeking to speed up that process right now/I’d like to live as long as I could, but I’ve just kind of been bracing for mental impact that that’s probably going to be the equivalent of my retirement plan.
We live in a cheesy movie. I'm just embracing that at this point. Prepare and have fun while you can. We await the next inflection point. Personally I'm hoping for Mario or Peach to come out swinging.
Great! I'm mailing my application tomorrow. No sarcasm, packet is by the door to send UPS international. I've marked it as urgent processing. Hoping they listen.
Remember when Germany removed every intellectual in the entire country and then had to deal with having zero intellectuals for a generation after they lost two wars?
The defeat of German Nazism was not a foregone conclusion. It was the Soviets behind 70% of Nazi casualties that defeated German Nazism - at tremendous cost I might add.
Fascism isn't some fad that inevitably falls out of fashion because people magically start seeing the contradictions, but a cancer that has to be militantly suppressed with utmost prejudice.
It's part of the Republican plan. Crash the economy, destabilize what little is left of our sense of community. Use the chaos as an excuse to end all public goods: education, health care, infrastructure. Then, while tech bros reap the benefits of technology, the rest of us exist as low-tech worker drones.
My wife refuses to think about leaving. I won't go without her. So, I stay here, and one day sooner rather than later, Homeland or a private "militia" will break my door in, and i will go missing.
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.
I've seen his videos over the course of a couple of years. His skills have developed greatly over the years. One of his videos he created 3d printed speakers that seemed pretty good. Would love to try make them some day.
It's an interesting video, you can see the sizes and form factor of the recievers this way much better. You can still skip the parts you are not interested in.
What their job is has nothing to do with my statement. If the only media reporting about a new technology is a video then that thing is significantly more likely to be bullshit
It's not reporting on a technology. DIYPerks is a channel about cool projects he does. He shows the build process and explains everything and usually provides plans to follow along
i.e. he is reporting about a technology. Again, if the only media reporting about a new technology is a video then that thing is significantly more likely to be bullshit
He goes into the downsides of the technology, which you would've known if you had watched it. He's also a very well known, and reputable channel, so I don't see any reason to not trust him.
If you want more than just a video about an emerging tech then why don't you provide an article on it, instead of expecting it from OP, who probably just wanted to post a cool tech video.
Not the point. The point is that if this is an attempt at reporting cool new tech usable by the masses, then it should be posted as written coverage. YouTube videos can easily be perceived as content churn rather than reputable sources of information.
But if that wasn't the point of the post by OP, we're all good here.
I think we're all on the same side, looking at it from all angles. 🤷♂️
What he goes into has nothing to do with anything. You don't seem to understand my comment, it's very possible that i worded it poorly, so I'll reiterate:
If the only media reporting about a new technology is a video then that thing is significantly more likely to be bullshit
Don't worry, you have at least one person who understands what you mean. I definitely agree. 👍 If there's no written coverage, the significance seems low/only for clout.
Yes, because it's a maker on YouTube showing off a project he did? It's a clickbaity title sure, but this isn't a research paper showcasing a new technology. He's using a dev kit to make something he thinks is cool. Fail to see the issue.
Thanks, it's weird how some people are reacting to this comment. Is this their first day on the Internet? I'm not saying this device IS bullshit, I'm saying from a long history of experience that if the only 3rd party media you can find about a device is a video then that device is significantly more likely to be bullshit. It's simple and clearly true.
Wireless efficiency is around 70%-75% max with something like that; EMF and RMF issues abound in any configuration without shielding, which this one has none of. I am surprised anything works.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not willing to pay a 30% higher electrical bill for something like this.
It wouldn't be a 30% higher electrical bill overall. It would be 30% more for whatever power you're using for this specific device, which, if it's ordinarily 10W while in sleep and an average 100W while in use, and you use it 50 hours per week, or 215 hours per month, that's a baseline power usage of 21500 watt hours in use and 5050 watt hours from idle/sleep/suspend. Or a total of 26550 watt hours, or 26.5 kWh. At 20 cents per kWh, you're talking about $5.30 per month in electricity for the computer. A 30% increase would be an extra $1.60 per month.
It's a YouTube channel that does high quality DIY projects, and explains the reasons behind the choices made.
Why would this be an article as opposed to, y'know, a video? His job is to make YouTube videos.
I don't understand this obsession some on Lemmy have with shitting on hard-working creative types when they make something in video form rather than creating a blog and publishing articles.
What their job is has nothing to do with my statement. If the only media reporting about a new technology is a video then that thing is significantly more likely to be bullshit
What I'd like to know here is if this setup is continuously drawing maximum power or if the power usage only goes up when a device is within the magnetic grid.
it does say on the site for the device that it draws 100W, but in the video he says that there is a 10W minimum draw, so i'm assuming it goes up from there
Pretty sure I saw a movie where ol' Nick Tesla cloned Wolverine a bunch of times to fight Batman. If he was able to make clones back in the day I'm sure he could figure out a power grid issue.
no. i don't pretend to even begin to understand how the prototype at wardenclyffe was supposed to work. i do remember that it supposedly used the atmosphere as a transmission line, but whether that meant bouncing the signal off of it (meaning it was radio based) or somehow charging it (meaning it was static based) i couldn't tell you.
I mean you absolutely can communicate from Australia to USA with nothing but an old rusty bed frame and 5 watts of power. So there's that. But not much more to do with that bit of non-ionising power.
Once I had a wireless Corsair Keyboard which sometimes received input from someone else's keyboard (it typed entire sentences on my PC). Corsair said this was impossible, yet somehow words appeared on my screen while only my keyboard was linked. A neighbor logged in to something using his email address and password and it appeared into my word document. Like, wtf!
So I love my wires. I have no wifi, no wireless devices (except for my phone and game controllers) and I have no interference issues with anything (and I have a music studio in my living room with loads of synths).
Just do some proper cable management. It's really fun to do and gives a clean look.
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Sublime Text is not open-source but it has a sane price and a WinRAR-style trial. I use it because it feels a lot snappier than other editors/IDEs I've tried when browsing large files.
On the one hand, it's a shame that it's not open-source, but on the other hand, developers have to make a living from something.
I use it because it feels a lot snappier than other editors/IDEs I’ve tried when browsing large files.
Snappiness is definitely something I appreciate. So, if it blows everything else out of the water in this respect, that I might have to concede. Thank you for mentioning this particular aspect of it!
On the one hand, it’s a shame that it’s not open-source, but on the other hand, developers have to make a living from something.
I wholeheartedly agree. But, I prefer the capability to donate to the open-source software developers that I love to support.
Btw, I would like to take this chance to thank you and @winety@lemmy.zip for the civil, respectful, engaging and informative conversation you were having elsewhere!
On the one hand, it’s a shame that it’s not open-source, but on the other hand, developers have to make a living from something.
I'm pretty sure most people here, at least I hope, who use open source and free software directly money donate to developers. I know of plenty of developers who do get paid writing open source through such donations or via funding, e.g. NLNet or grants. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your statement, are you saying Sublime Text isn't open source because they believe those ways are not appropriate for them?
I wrote a whole comment in which I mused about the reason why Sublime Text isn't open-source. However, a brief search found one developer's answer: They just don't think that typical FOSS funding is sustainable for their particular project.
Thanks for the feedback. There’s no plan to open source Sublime Text and with the complexity of a text editor written for performance there’s also little to be gained from doing so in terms of community contributions.
FWIW I'm donating every month to CodeMirror author, donates to Vim, etc. I'm not saying they are wrong, nor right, solely that implying (but maybe I misunderstood the comment) that somehow open-source and getting paid are antagonist is IMHO damaging to FLOSS broadly.
That's a fair point. Still, I think it's also worth acknowledging that getting paid to develop open-source software can often be more difficult than getting paid for proprietary work. According to Tidelift State of Open Source Maintainer report, 44 % of FOSS maintainers aren't getting paid for their work but would like to. Interestingly, 36 % of FOSS maintainers are getting some monetary compensation.¹
(I'm responding mostly because I found that survey. Interesting numbers.)
¹ I thought this number would be smaller. Alas, I am a pessimist.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. That number is of course way too high. I won't point fingers but... OK I will, I would argue, naively, that a lot of that frustration comes from corporate exploitation. I bet a lot of that comes from maintainer who noticed big number of downloads on CDN but no PR because somehow a paid for tool (so not blaming just BigTech here) relies on their work... and they don't see a cent for it.
I doubt most people who have a quirky side project, say something about how to use Lego controllers for their model train on the weekends with kids, really mind. Sure they'd love to see a bit of money from it but whatever.
Anyway I'll dig into that report a bit more, thanks for sharing!
What makes LEO great for consistent larger documentation is that one can write things like footnotes or a glossary in nodes which can be linked into multiple pages - much like files with multiple hard links in a file system.
Also, it can re-read exported generated files into a structured outline, which is managed under version control.
Also, good support for literate programming, which is Don Knuth's perhaps greatest idea.
LEO definitely looks like a cool project. It has made me curious and I would like to try it out. Thanks (again)!
However, before I do, I would like to verify if folding^[Also known as collapse/expand] a section/heading in Markdown -as demonstrated in the gif- is possible with LEO. Could you please confirm this for me?
Also, good support for literate programming, which is Don Knuth's perhaps greatest idea.
Very interesting concept. I believe I stumbled upon this video about a week ago. Together with two other videos, It has been at the very top of "Watch Later"-list since. But I haven't gotten around to watch it yet 😅. I believe the topics are related. Am I right? Regardless, I'll definitely take a deeper look into literate programming. Thank you for mentioning it!
By admission of my fellow Lemmy-users, I've gone and tried out many text editors over the course of the past few days. Unfortunately, I didn't like the installation options for Zed in my current distro of choice (i.e. Fedora): - its flatpak is unverified - not found in Fedora's own repos
It is found within Terra's repos. However, users report that -at least for Zed- some of the installed packages from Fedora's own repo are replaced by Terra's. This interaction can be prevented by giving preference for Fedora's own packages, but it seems like a can of worms I'm not very interested to engage with at the moment. Hopefully this situation will be resolved rather sooner than later.
Anyhow, have you got the chance to work with Emacs and/or Kate over the years? If so, could you chime in and give your thoughts on how Zed fares in comparison? Please note that I'm (mostly) asking within the confines of a relatively simple text editor used to take notes with.
Honestly I never really got into using any of the terminal based editors- I like a pretty GUI, personally.
That being said I have been a KDE user for the last couple of years and actually have quite a favourable view on Kate. It’s a very competent editor with a great deal of extensibility.
The big difference between the two is their focus. Zed is written to be targeted at developers and as such has some capabilities that Kate doesn’t (afaik) like an AI assistant panel, handling multi megabyte text files with grace, and being able to directly connect to remote file systems over SSH.
If you’re not looking for those features I think you’d be very happy with Kate!
Question: According to this table, Geany's capabilities might leave some to desire when it comes to code/text folding. Is this correct? Or is the table simply outdated?
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I took it for a test run and wasn't able to replicate the above functionality either. Hopefully it's an error on my side, but it's very possible that I will not stick to Geany.
Yeah.. but why? Kate is better in about every way. And while we're on the topic, Kate is also available on the windows store, with a real Windows build.
I tested Notepad Next, which seems to be Notepad++' cross-platform alternative. However, I wasn't able to get the folding functionality on a Markdown file. Am I doing something wrong?
I've tried Kate since yesterday, it has been one of the better ones for now.
JetBrains Fleet seems like a cool project. But I'll probably wait until it's open sourced. Thanks anyways!
I have to agree with the positivism surrounding Kate. It has been the only one (together with KDevelop) out of the 5 text editors I've installed and tested since yesterday that actually did what I desired from it. Props to the devs! Let's see if it can dethrone Emacs 😜.
Emacs will always be abe to do things you can't do with other editors. It's a text based interface toolkit that happens to also have a good text editor and IDE capability. Buuut, you need to spend a lot of time to set things up. I use it since probably more than 20 years and I still often need to look up and learn stuff. If you want a tool and not a workshop, get a simpler editor.
I think you've done an excellent job at capturing my initial thoughts. It basically felt as if using Emacs was bound to be overkill as my (relatively simple) use case didn't seem to warrant its usage.
But, even if it is (possibly) overkill, I do prefer^[Granted, I haven't tried out Neovim for this yet.] how Emacs handles the folding. So, while there's the very real possibility that I'll not even utilize 1% of Emacs' potential, I feel most excited and (somehow) comfort while working with it 😅.
As for setting things up, I immediately started using Emacs through Spacemacs until the input lag became very noticeable on larger files. Then, I pivoted to Doom Emacs and I've been enjoying it so far. Perhaps I'll create my own config at some point in the future, But for now, Doom Emacs is all I need.
i’ve heard that some people love using kate because, with some plugins, it really can do all most people need. i’ve seen a dude make a video on it but would need some time to find it again if there was any interest.
Hopefully I'll get around to take Zed for a test drive in the near future.
As for GNOME Builder, for some reason, I wasn't able to replicate what's seen above with it. Perhaps it doesn't support Markdown that well. Or..., it needs/requires a plugin to do its bidding. Would you happen to know more on this? Any help is appreciated!
KDevelop and Kate, on the other hand, have been a very pleasant surprise. I have literally checked about a dozen of text editors since yesterday, and these two have been the only ones that have yielded the desired result. Props and kudos to the dev team!
No no, don't get me wrong. I think both Emacs and Neovim are excellent. And this little endeavor/search/pursuit has (perhaps more than anything) solidified (and gave context as to) why they're in their own league.
Like, I've tried about a dozen of text editors in last couple of days. And with most^[Heck, I've only been able to confirm that Kate and KDevelop at least do what has been advertised (by others).] of them I've failed to reproduce the functionality demonstrated in the gif.
But even the very best of what I've tried since making this post pales -or at least seems to be- in terms of extensibility. And, when we add in Emacs' proven^[Neovim is still relatively new. I don't think I can justifiably vouch for its longevity yet.] longevity, it becomes hard to root for any of the alternatives. At least..., so far.
Still, I had to answer for myself if committing to Emacs (or Neovim for that matter) was justified given the fact that I had not a lot of experience with text editors 😅. Like, as funny as it sounds, I've moved from Word+StickyNotes to (GNOME's) Text Editor to a bunch^[I can recall ghostwriter, MarkText and QOwnNotes.] of Markdown text editors to Emacs. And the switch to Emacs was mostly motivated when I saw Obsidian do the very thing you see in the gif 😂. But as cool as learning the ropes of Emacs was, I think I was experiencing some impostor syndrome shenanigans.
Thankfully, it seems that this has mostly served to be a huge motivation boost. Perhaps I was (more than) ready to conquer Emacs all along...
If you had started with that people would have told you that nothing comes even close. The closest things you will find are Atom (archived), Sublime (closed source) and Helix (still very new and no plugin support, but something to keep an eye on).
Speaking of obsidian, the reason why it took me forever to start using Silverbullet is that Emacs has org-mode which does most of what Silverbullet/Obsidian do out of the box, plus some other stuff that they don't do (e.g. excel like tables).
But I wanted something I could edit remotely through my phone and web interfaces are better than using text editors over ssh connections. Also I have migrated from Emacs to Nvim, the reasons are purely ergonomical (pinky fatigue is a real issue) but after switching I found a jump in the way to think about an editor. Emacs is great, don't get me wrong, and if you decide to learn Emacs I can assure you it will be the best editor you've used, but it still edits things at a character level, while there are concepts for matching brackets or quotes changing the text inside quotes in Emacs is very character oriented, I.e. go to start of quote, start marking, move to matching quote, delete, whereas in vim is sort of a higher level language where you say Change Inside Next Quote using cin", and expanded with some plugins you can even do srnq' to Surround Replace Next Quote with ' (which will change the quotations on the next text from whatever to '). And that's a lot closer to the way I think so it skips a mental step (plus it's a lot less keystrokes and no Ctrl for my pinky).
But those are the reasons why I switched, many people use Emacs for decades without ergonomic issues, whichever of the two you decide to learn you'll understand why they're the staple editors for most people who actually choose an editor.
Thank you for the raving endorsement and otherwise very informative reply!
Also I have migrated from Emacs to Nvim, the reasons are purely ergonomical (pinky fatigue is a real issue) but after switching I found a jump in the way to think about an editor. Emacs is great, don't get me wrong, and if you decide to learn Emacs I can assure you it will be the best editor you've used, but it still edits things at a character level, while there are concepts for matching brackets or quotes changing the text inside quotes in Emacs is very character oriented, I.e. go to start of quote, start marking, move to matching quote, delete, whereas in vim is sort of a higher level language where you say Change Inside Next Quote using cin", and expanded with some plugins you can even do srnq' to Surround Replace Next Quote with ' (which will change the quotations on the next text from whatever to '). And that's a lot closer to the way I think so it skips a mental step (plus it's a lot less keystrokes and no Ctrl for my pinky).
Hmm...., interesting. I'm still pretty new to evil-mode, but doesn't that bridge the gap here? Btw, I don't know why, but I wasn't able to see for myself how cin" worked within Vim*.
Yes, evil-mode would have bridged the gap, however I didn't go emacs -> vim in one step, I left emacs back in 2017 because of pinky strain, and other ergonomic issues that made me switch keyboard layout as well (which made me lose lots of agility on emacs) and started using Pycharm for python dev, VSCode for other languages (including Markdown for note taking) and nano for system file edition. I tried some of the other suggestions here like atom, sublime, Kate, etc, but they never became my everything tool like emacs used to be. Very recently I discovered Helix, and I gave it a try and loved it, however the lack of plugin support made me have reservations on diving in. But the interaction mode is very close to vim, so I decided to give vim another go and went through a few tutorials on how to set Nvim up while refreshing muscle memory for vim movements and learning new stuff and it's slowly becoming the everything tool that emacs once was for me.
All of that being said, I don't think I would use evil-mode on Emacs, the reason is that vim is made with those motions from the ground up, whereas in emacs they will be an after-thought so it will probably not be integrated enough (or more likely will require lots of configurations).
I wasn't able to see for myself how cin" worked within Vim*.
It's simple, imagine you have a line of code like so:
my_var = "some string with spaces"
If your cursor is almost anywhere on that line pressing ci" will erase the contents of inside the string and place you in insert mode, i.e. the line will look line this:
my_var = "|"
With | being the cursor in insert mode. There are other similar things, for example ca" (Change Around ") will also erase the quotes, very useful for example to change a hard coded string with a variable.
Sorry fam for the late response! I was writing up a draft a couple of days ago, but that one somehow disappeared. Which..., is kinda peculiar as I don't recall the last time a draft spoofed out of existence. Regardless, it really puts me off to start a reply all over. As such, I've been mustering motivation since 😅. Anyhow, thank you for your patience!
Thank you (also) for sharing your journey around the many text editors! If anything, it reminds me how life has got many surprises for us. As such, being wed to any software, regardless of how powerful it may be, may still result in a break later down the line.
Thank you (once more) for touching on ergonomics! I haven't mentioned it, but I do experience some RSI-related pains/aches.
::: spoiler Steps I've undertaken to alleviate the pains/aches. This has been put in spoilers, because I don't think it's very relevant for the subject matter.
I use a split keyboard, and hope to switch in the upcoming months to one of the most ergonomic keyboard around.
I have made changes to my workflow to become (mostly) keyboard-only, so little to no mouse/touchpad. Which led me to embrace and become more familiar with modal editing.
I have dabbled into the alt keyboard layouts and intend to make the switch when the aforementioned ergonomic keyboard arrives.
I have made many other changes to how I work in order to better align with ergonomics; laptop-stand so that it's lifted to the appropriate height, worked on better posture, only making minimal use of my phone etc. And intend to back this up further with a height-adjustable desk.
Employ speech to text whenever I can afford it. :::
Anyhow, I do have concerns on how Emacs' default keybindings might be detrimental on someone using a regular keyboard. I believe this article makes an interesting case on this. That's also one of the reasons why I've (almost) exclusively been on evil mode.
I hope you've recovered completely from the strain on your pinky! And, hopefully, nothing else has been causing any issues since!
Btw, the trick with ci" and ca" is pretty cool! Thank you for teaching me something new! FWIW, it was reproducible within Emacs' evil mode*.
Hey, yeah, I know the feeling, every time I lose an already typed reply I completely lose motivation to rewrite it.
Yeah, my pinky strain issue is completely gone, I also used to have some more pain on my wrist which made me go through a very similar journey to you, I took many steps for it to the point where nowadays my setup is (in order of what I think has made the largest impact)
Using i3/sway as my WM for a keyboard centric usage
Switching to Colemak and learning touch typing properly
Split ortholineal keyboard (crkbd)
Trackball instead of mouse
I've also got a height adjustable desk and a good chair to prevent issues with my back, and my monitors use an arm to be in the right position. It was a slow process of making one change here, few months later another z etc, but this has been my setup for a few years and all of my pains in wrist, lower back, neck, etc have disappeared. I figured if I'm going to ve sitting in front of a computer typing stuff for 8h a day I need to make that as comfortable as possible to be able to do it for longer.
As for emacs with evil mode I was sure that ci" would work, that's basic vim functionality, what I'm less sure would work is more complex stuff for which I use plugins, e.g. <space>srq" (Surround Replace Quotes with ") to replace the next quotes for " (e.g. changing var = 'some text' to var = "some text"). That same plugin allows me to also do <space>srb[ to Surround Replace Bracket/Braces with [ (to change the surrounding [, (, or { to [ ). Another plugin allows me to move to any part of the screen in 4 keystrokes, I press s the two characters of where I want to move, and a third disambiguation character and the cursor moves there. Those are advanced usages that I think will be difficult to reproduce in emacs, plus plugins will not incorporate the basic ideas for movements.
Hey, yeah, I know the feeling, every time I lose an already typed reply I completely lose motivation to rewrite it.
Hehe, as a precaution, I wrote this up in Emacs instead 😜.
Yeah, my pinky strain issue is completely gone
Glad to hear that!
Using i3/sway as my WM for a keyboard centric usage
Curious to see this at the very top of your list. Perhaps I should make my switch to Sway rather sooner than later. Thank you for the endorsement!
learning touch typing properly
I intend to learn this with the alt keyboard layout after the more ergonomic split keyboard has arrived. Wish me good luck 😉!
Trackball instead of mouse
Hmm..., this is lower on your list. So I suppose that by effectively removing most need for a mouse, the switch to a trackball has been less impactful. Btw, perhaps related, would you happen to be aware of hints? If so, could you touch upon its relevance?
a good chair to prevent issues with my back
Curious. Is this a special ergonomic chair (or something)?
It was a slow process of making one change here, few months later another z etc
Did you advance/progress in increments because you were testing out the latest addition to the setup? And thus, only introduced a subsequent change after judging that you were not 'done' yet?
all of my pains in wrist, lower back, neck, etc have disappeared.
I am so glad to read this! While the journey until I am able to interact with my systems without any pain seems far away right now, success stories like yours make me so pumped to pull through.
I figured if I'm going to ve sitting in front of a computer typing stuff for 8h a day I need to make that as comfortable as possible to be able to do it for longer.
Couldn't agree more.
e.g. <space>srq" (Surround Replace Quotes with ") to replace the next quotes for " (e.g. changing var = 'some text' to var = "some text"). That same plugin allows me to also do <space>srb[ to Surround Replace Bracket/Braces with [ (to change the surrounding [, (, or { to [ ).
Interesting. FWIW, I did test this out and I believe that OOTB Doom Emacs does utilize the evil-surround package. However, I don't think it's as powerful as what you describe. Though, this could also be on me 😅.
Another plugin allows me to move to any part of the screen in 4 keystrokes, I press s the two characters of where I want to move, and a third disambiguation character and the cursor moves there.
Hmm..., this very closely resembles what evil-snipe does. Though, unless I'm doing something wrong, the functionality is not a single s away, but rather a g s SPC away. At least, OOTB*.
May I ask why emacs in evil-mode instead of Nvim?
Of course you can. Unfortunately, though, I don't exactly recall my reasonings 😅. Thankfully, I did note some of my thoughts from back when I was actively trying to decide between the two. From there, I was able to gather the following: - I would only try out Emacs or Neovim through a opinionated config. - For Emacs, Doom had kinda won over Spacemacs based on the opinions (and experiences) of others . Though, I still wanted to try out Spacemacs to judge for myself. - While for Neovim, LazyVim and LunarVim were the winning configs.
What follows is not based on my notes, but from what I can remember. Shortly after I came to the above conclusions, I went out and tried to install them. But, I wanted to 'test' them without 'polluting' my system. As such, I tried to install them within a distrobox. This is where Neovim came short because of this imposed limitation. I don't 100% remember what it was, but IIRC there might have been more than 1 issue; one of which had to do with fonts. Regardless, my Neovim adventures were prematurely terminated 😅. By contrast, Emacs didn't budge an inch under these circumstances. So I was able to test out both Doom and Spacemacs without any significant issues. Since then, I have dabbled in Emacs. But the folding mentioned in the original post is what has led me to commit more seriously than ever. So, in short, it was mostly out of practical reasons.
Btw, it's funny, but most of what you just read about my reasonings were buried memories 😂. Like, if I had to answer it on the spot -so without thinking it over or look through my notes or dig through my memories- , I would probably have stated some arbitrary technical reason (e.g. org-mode FTW) OR its proven longevity OR I don't know... something. But it couldn't be further from the truth 😅. Granted, I'm still very much enjoying Emacs. But, I shouldn't disregard/dismiss Neovim any longer. It's time to revisit this rabbit hole 😂. I should also thank you for asking the question that brought this to my attention 😊!
Hints lets you navigate GUI applications in Linux without your mouse by displaying "hints" you can type on your keyboard to interact with GUI elements. - AlfredoSequeida/hints
Curious to see this at the very top of your list. Perhaps I should make my switch to Sway rather sooner than later. Thank you for the endorsement!
For me it was a lot off wrist pain, so switching to a more keyboard centric way of interacting with the WM was very impactful.
I intend to learn this with the alt keyboard layout after the more ergonomic split keyboard has arrived. Wish me good luck 😉!
Which alternate layout are you considering? I recommend grabbing something you typed and feeding it here to check heat map of keypresses you would have done to have some visual representation of your usage.
So I suppose that by effectively removing most need for a mouse, the switch to a trackball has been less impactful.
Bingo, I actually switched to trackball before going to keyboard centric WM, but after it I've even gone back to mouse a few times feeling almost no difference, because I end up using the mouse a lot less.
Btw, perhaps related, would you happen to be aware of hints? If so, could you touch upon its relevance?
I have, not exactly it but similar stuff, I used to use a browser called conkeror that had emacs key bindings, and have tried to learn a very similar system to hints in the past. Honestly, when I has lots of wrist pain they were useful to completely remove the need of a mouse, but they're clunky and not as efficient as a pointer so I tend not to use them.
Curious. Is this a special ergonomic chair (or something)?
Nope, just a Secret Lab Titan Evo, but any good chair would do, I spent a year with a cheap Amazon chair and had lots of back pain.
Did you advance/progress in increments because you were testing out the latest addition to the setup? And thus, only introduced a subsequent change after judging that you were not 'done' yet?
It was more of a gradual thing, I had wrist pain, so I switched to a trackball, that helped but didn't got rid of it. So I tried AwesomeWM, found Conkeror and slowly the pain started to fade away and I dove deep into the keyboard centric thing learning touch typing and Colemak. Eventually other issues came on, like pinky strain from Emacs, or a different kind of wrist pain from a small keyboard that made me switch to a split one, or back pain that made me invest in a good chair. I don't think my setup is "done", it adapts to whatever my body is asking, but I've started to listen carefully and switch stuff on the early signals because that first wrist pain was an eye opener on how bad things can get if you ignore them.
I am so glad to read this! While the journey until I am able to interact with my systems without any pain seems far away right now, success stories like yours make me so pumped to pull through.
Do you feel pain now though? If so what? You should address that immediately. At most points I would have answered that I felt no pain with my setup, because those things build up gradually, if you're at the point of feeling pain the time to take action is now.
About the emacs plugins, yeah, by the name I can tell you those do the same to the ones I cited, my point is that the plugin ecosystem for it might be a bit less extensive, and not sure how to set shortcuts that use vim key bindings for other plugins.
I would only try out Emacs or Neovim through a opinionated config.
Why? Having had an emacs config that I copied from somewhere and ended up growing and becoming something unmanageable, I'm have a very strong opinion that one should build your own config files from scratch to know them. Presets are good if you're going to be using them bare, but if you're going to customize them they can get in the way. And that's another point for Nvim for me, their configs are very easy, I followed this guide and had a working config that I could easily expand in no time.
org-mode FTW
Ah, I miss org-mode, it's too bad the world went with Markdown instead.
Granted, I'm still very much enjoying Emacs. But, I shouldn't disregard/dismiss Neovim any longer. It's time to revisit this rabbit hole 😂.
Meh, maybe, maybe not, Emacs is great, I just never would have gone with evil mode, it sort of feels like it defeats the purpose of both emacs and vim in my mind for some reason. It's like if someone told you they put a Ford engine on their Chevrolet, it feels convoluted and strange to think on that solution before thinking of using a Ford.
Thank you so much for your elaborate and well-articulated reply! As I don't want these messages to spiral into an ever-expanding wall of text, I've chosen to refrain from reacting to every single valuable thing you've written. Nonetheless, everything, including the parts I'm explicitly not reacting to, has been a joy to read and has been very informative. So, again, thank you! Much appreciated!
I recommend grabbing something you typed and feeding it here to check heat map of keypresses you would have done to have some visual representation of your usage.
This is pretty cool! Unfortunately, (perhaps unsurprisingly) Night isn't included within its layout options. I would otherwise have loved to check this out.
switch stuff on the early signals because that first wrist pain was an eye opener on how bad things can get if you ignore them.
Would you like to elaborate on this? As the pains and discomfort have increased over time, I have been more conscious than previously. But, I'm sure there's still a lot of mileage to be had. Like, what do you perceive as an early signal? Exhaustion and/or fatigue after a day of work? Or perhaps something more specific?
Furthermore, how bad did things become?
Do you feel pain now though?
After a couple of hours, I do experience strange sensations that border on pain. Furthermore, there's (almost) always some level of unease/discomfort. Thankfully, resting continues to feel good and I get especially revitalized after sleeping well. But I acknowledge that this isn't sustainable.
If so what?
Wrist pain and fingers that feel wacky. So, this is basically carpal tunnel 101. This has been confirmed/diagnosed by both the general practioner as well as the surgeon. Thankfully, the damage is relatively tame still; the surgeon didn't see much distortion/damage in the x-rays (yet). There's also no need (yet) for a surgery and (hopefully) there'll never be. Which is very much reliant on me putting in the work and effort to make this as comfortable and (by extension) sustainable as possible.
You should address that immediately. At most points I would have answered that I felt no pain with my setup, because those things build up gradually, if you're at the point of feeling pain the time to take action is now.
I have taken some action; but I'm still very much in the process. I'm aware it's just not enough (yet). But, the steps I've taken so far have thankfully led to significant relieve already. Like, I was a lot worse last year. And, as hinted at previously, I already have plans to address the remaining issues.
my point is that the plugin ecosystem for it might be a bit less extensive, and not sure how to set shortcuts that use vim key bindings for other plugins.
You could be right on the plugin ecosystem; even beyond the integration of evil-mode*. It doesn't matter which metric I throw at it, the Neovim ecosystem seems to be more vibrant. Though, at least for the time being, org-mode seems to be Emacs' forte. Which..., just happens to be the very thing I'm using it mostly for. While I'm far from being comfortable with it, it has already provided a much better experience compared to all other text editors I've tried.
I would only try out Emacs or Neovim through a opinionated config.
Why?
My apologies, perhaps I should have been clearer. I didn't stress enough how this was mostly for trying it out and get going initially. I'm still on Doom Emacs, but I do intend to build my own config after I've gotten a better grasp IF it's beneficial.
And that's another point for Nvim for me, their configs are very easy, I followed this guide and had a working config that I could easily expand in no time.
Hahaha 🤣, I would have loved to have an up-to-date video guide like that for Emacs. Alas... 😅.
I miss org-mode
Hehe 😜, though I wonder: have you tried out Neorg or nvim-orgmode to see how they fare by comparison?
I understand, and I agree, although I'm reading all the replies are already becoming wall of text so I'll skip parts but I have read them and they're all interesting.
That looks interesting, although I would be weary of learning a layout that only works on specific keyboards, it will make it hard for you to use a laptop on the go, work in an office with a normal keyboard or any other similar situation.
Furthermore, how bad did things become?
I think it's easier if I answer this first. At the worst I had problems holding heavy stuff in my hand, as in fingers lackesld strength or didn't respond properly. And for my lower back at the worst it was constant pain where I needed to lay down with a pillow on my lumbar to stretch. After fixing those I became very aware of the initial feelings, such as numbness or feeling pain when stretching (which btw I strongly recommend you check out wrist and finger stretching exercises as they help a lot). Lots of the changes I made (e.g. split ortholinear keyboard) were probably not needed, but the wrist pain that kickstarted everything got me worry enough that I don't want to take any chances.
After a couple of hours, I do experience strange sensations that border on pain. Furthermore, there's (almost) always some level of unease/discomfort. Thankfully, resting continues to feel good and I get especially revitalized after sleeping well. But I acknowledge that this isn't sustainable.
It's not, those are exactly the early signals that you asked me about, you think that because you're able to rest and stretch and it goes away that it's all fine, but it will require ever more stretching and resting until they don't go away ever. At least that's what happened to me, at the beginning I would stretch my wrist and fingers and rest for a while and be fine, eventually that became next day I'll be fine, then over the weekend, then never.
Wrist pain and fingers that feel wacky. So, this is basically carpal tunnel 101.
That's exactly what I had, although mine was never actually diagnosed, but I had all of the symptoms and my dad had to do the surgery so I have family history. It does get better if you adjust, I don't feel any of the symptoms I once did, and it is sustainable I haven't had any symptoms in about 10 years since I switched to a more keyboard centric flow and the layout, so putting in the work does help out. I should say I had 24 years when the symptoms first appeared, so it was kindof young which was one of the reasons I got very scared about getting those symptoms so early.
org-mode seems to be Emacs' forte.
Org-mode is absolutely wonderful, I haven't tried any replacement because the reason I abandoned org-mode wasn't emacs related, I kept using emacs for org-mode for a while after I dropped it as my main editor. The reason is that there's no compatibility with other editors or apps. Everything uses markdown, and for most basic stuff markdown is good enough. I do miss habit tracking, task management, table calculations and other neat stuff, but the commodity of using the same format for everything and that other people use it as well outweighs all of that for me.
This is a first step towards implementing code folding #618.
There are two parts involved:
Parsing the file.
Hiding the collapsed lines.
This patch implements part 2, although there are several T...
I got distracted. At first glance, it seems that PR was for the groundworks, I haven't been able to figure out how to actually do it. I'll try again in a bit.
It's not that I don't want to go with Emacs or Neovim. Rather, I want to explore what else is out there.
As for Kate, thank you for its endorsement! I've tried Kate since making this post and it^[Together with KDevelop. Though it has to be noted that KDevelop IIUC seems to rely on Kate for this functionality.] has been the only one which has yielded a desirable result. I can wholeheartedly attest to its quality.
Do you happen to have a lot of experience with other text editors (and/or IDEs)? If so, would you like to chime in and compare Zed to the ones you feel confident talking about?
Thanks for the recommendations! Helix doesn't seem to offer this functionality (yet). Unfortunately...
As for Zed, it does seem to be capable of reproducing the functionality found in the gif (or at least to some extent). However, installing it on my distro isn't pretty. Therefore, I wish to install it at some point, but I'll wait it out for now.
If you're not trolling, then I'd like to offer my apologies for assuming you were.
Perhaps I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I couldn't resist: does ed even support the functionality demonstrated in the gif above? I'm asking this from a genuine position of ignorance.
I DO like to code via ED because the design and workflow of ED (or even better: Sam) makes folding unnecessary because you only put on the screen what is needed right at that moment. Want to see two functions 1000 lines apart? No problem, just print them right below each other on the screen.
I DO like to code via ED because the design and workflow of ED (or even better: Sam) makes folding unnecessary because you only put on the screen what is needed right at that moment. Want to see two functions 1000 lines apart? No problem, just print them right below each other on the screen.
Hmm..., I suppose this is a workflow I'd have to try out for myself before drawing any conclusions. Though, I got some questions: - Why ed? Isn't any other TUI/CLI text editor fit for the job? Apologies if I sound obtuse/obnoxious*. I'm probably just very ignorant of how ed fares compared to the others. - Is there any currently maintained version of Sam? A quick search suggests that everyone packaged/grabbed it from this github repo. But, unfortunately, that one has been archived since earlier this year. I suppose I could look into the many forks it has, but I'd rather be picky 😅. Got any pointers for me?
Why ed? Well, it keeps my brain from rotting 😀 just half joking... i have noticed that whenever i use a somewhat more "user friendly" software my mind starts to wander off more easily and instead of being more focussed on the programming task i shortly after find myself doing... $THING instead of being productive. So, being the only jack-of-all-trades-computer-guy in a small-ish company i tend to chose the tools that work for me, even if they are a bit... anachronistic.
I think the best maintained version of Sam would be the one included in 9front (if you want some truely special experience) or if you want to stay (somewhat) in the realm of the sane you can use plan9port which also brings in many nice tools out of the Plan9 ecosystem.
Aight. This conversation has been much appreciated, thanks fam!
Perhaps I might have to give ed a go at some point if I find myself hacking more with elisp rather than outputting actual productive work. But, at least for now, this is (thankfully) not really a concern for mine 😜.
As for Sam, I should either install a different OS (i.e. 9front) for the truely special experience. Or..., build it (myself) with plan9port. Did I get that right?
Well regarding plan9port, it is really, really easy to acquire... just clone the Github repo (github.com/9fans/plan9port), run ./INSTALL and everything else sorts itself out 😉
I have been interested in Lapce for a long time. Unfortunately, IIUC, it doesn't support folding Markdown headings as shown in the gif. At least, I wasn't able to get it to work. Can you attest to this? Or am I doing something wrong? Your aid would be much appreciated!
UPDATE: For posterity's sake, I'd like to reflect on the last couple of days.
First of all, I'd like to thank everyone that has contributed to the discussion! Were it not for your recommendations/suggestions/endorsements, then I might not have found a valid alternative.
Secondly, I've taken every single recommendation pretty seriously. As such, I've either installed them to see for myself if I was able to reproduce the functionality found in the gif found above. Or, didn't install them to begin with due to the suggested installation methods not passing through my (rather) strict policy on software. Regardless, in the end, I've only found two pieces of software that satisfied the bill: Kate and KDevelop.
KDevelop is pretty cool, but is more of an IDE rather than a text editor. As such, I've landed on Kate.
But, perhaps more than anything, I've come to really appreciate Emacs (and Neovim). And, perhaps more than ever, I feel ready to take them on 💪. Wish me luck 😊.
GifCities was a special project of Internet Archive originally done as part of our 20th Anniversary in 2016 to highlight and celebrate fun aspects of the amazing history of the web as represented in the Wayback Machine. Since then, GifCities GIFs have been used in innumerable web projects, artistic works, and in the media and press, including this internet-melting combination of GifCities GIFs and the British Royal Wedding in this New York Times article and the avant-GIF “GifCollider” exhibit at Berkeley Art Museum & Pacific Film Archive.
The new version of GifCities includes a number of new improvements. We are especially excited at the drastic improvement in “GifSearchies” by implementing semantic search for GifCities, instead of the hacky old “file name” text search of the original version.
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in reply to RandAlThor • • •The Israeli media has been full of overt calls for and endorsements of just outright genocide for over a year now.
At one point a prime time media show was 'debating' just fucking nuking Gaza.
Israeli social media has also been absolutely full of average people with genocidal rhetoric for over a year.
... They just say it in Hebrew, not English... most of the time.
This isn't suprising to anyone who can use google translate, or read supplied English subtitles/captions.
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in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •Washington Post retracts Gaza story after falsely blaming Israel
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in reply to Lyra_Lycan • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to FerretyFever0 • • •To what possible end? How does anyone in the Palestinian government benefit from their genocide?
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in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to FerretyFever0 • • •You can't do that kind of politics in the middle of a genocide.
sp3ctr4l
in reply to Lyra_Lycan • • •The entire last twoish years have have been doubly insane for people like myself, because:
Though I am not Jewish, my cousins all are. They are all secular, American, liberal to lefty Jews by the heritage and ethnicity of their father, and his culture that they maintain.
They are all against the genocide, but according to current, general, right wing sentiment... they either don't exist or are self hating.
I can only imagine this has all been even more insane for them.
Nearly every pro-Palestine protest on every campus in the US that I've read about or seem... has at bare minimum had sizeable numbers of Jewish Americans at it, if not being co-organized by them or headlining them as speakers.
... Meanwhile, I've been anti Zionist my whole life, and every single actual Israeli I've ever met has been a racist, anti-Islamic Zionist... and when I point this out, almost every white liberal or self described lefty has called me an antisemite.
Then on my own side of the family, my dad and my uncle just actually are racist anti-semites, making 'off color jokes' about Jews being greedy and money obsessed at fucking family gatherings literally in the faces of my cousins and their dad.
Oh well I guess?
Politics evolves to become defined by the hypocrises and contradictions no one is capable of having a rational discussion about.
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in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •The problem is that there is a fine line between stating your observations of a few people and racism.
I’d guess that you haven’t met many actual Israelis….. certainly not enough to be a statistically significant sample. If that’s the case then assuming that your observations apply to the whole population becomes racism.
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in reply to nogooduser • • •Understanding that the majority of Israelis are fascist and support genocide does not make you rascist.
What you are doing is conflating zionism with Judaism, no different to the Israeli state and their propaganda. Believing that the Israeli government IS judaism is about as rascist as you can get. It's no different than claiming Iran or the Taliban IS Islam/Arabs, which is unironically what Christian naturalists/racists/fascists believe.
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in reply to WhatAmLemmy • • •Hey there, bingo, you managed to make roughly the same point as I did but without making it personal, lol.
As a kind of ... lol, further, roughly relevant personal example:
My door dash driver the other day was a shorter woman, olive complexion, spoke with a bit of an accent, and had a head covering over her head ao that you couldn't see her hair, but could see her whole face, along with something sort of resembling a shawl, but quite bright and colorful.
I thanked her for the food, and then, a bit awkardly said... 'I only know how to 'thank you' in Arabic, shyu-ka-ren (sp lol), but I ... believe you are probably Persian, how would I say 'thank you' in Persian?'
She smiled and was a bit confused: 'How did you know I am Persian, and not Arab?'
'Ah, I don't know the proper names of the different styles of head coverings, but I have seen many pictures, and I think yours is more common in Persia, they tend to be different in Arab countries.'
'Ah, that's right! That is how you knew!' smiled again. 'Yes, in Arabic it is shyu-ka-ren, in Persian it is tash-ah-kor!'
I then struggle to pronounce it a few times until getting it right, while also semi-short circuiting, reverting back to my 'Karate training' and mixing in semi-formal Japanese bows.
... Given where I currently live, I can almost statistically guarantee she'd never encountered a white person she's delivered DoorDash to here, who even bothered to attempt to tell the difference between an Arab and a Persian, muchless for the purpose of trying to properly thank her in her own language.
All that to say: It is entirely possible to be humble, and attempt to 'profile' people... to achieve something pleasant, good, that spreads a smile.
Awkward? Probably.
Racist? ... No, more likely quite close to the opposite.
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in reply to nogooduser • • •I have not met very many Israelis, that is true...
But the ones that I have met expressed very overtly racist positions that were logically inconsistent in any other scenario: special pleading all the way.
I wasn't, at the time, back around a decade ago now, telling my white liberal friends 'all Israelis are racist because I met a few'.
I was telling them 'this is what this one particular guy said, this is what that other particular guy said, if you applied that same logic you could justify the US extermination of Native Americans, this is concerning to me.'
You are here doing the thing my former friends did: You are assuming I did and said things I did not do nor say, and are pearl clutching... because you've head canon'd in your own missing context and additional details.
Notably none of my former white liberal friends bothered to ever ask me about having grown with fairly frequently interacting with... you know, my cousins... and me and them getting along with them well, me learning how to make a latke, me being respectful at hannukah despite me being raised Protestant, me being excited to learn the dradel dradel dradel song as a kid, watching fiddler on the roof together and me liking the songs so much I learned how to sing some of them, and then my actually anti semitic dad telling me to cut that shit out in his house, etc.
Nah they just assumed I was an anti-semite, because they and their families were even more lily white than me and mine, and were projecting their own fears of being viewed as anti-semitic onto me.
It is entirely possible for me to say 'every Israeli I've met has been racist', that be a true statement, while I can also simultaneously believe that not all Israelis are racist, statistically or by definition... because I am aware of the difference between an anecdote and a statistically valid survey.
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But did you read the entire article that is this post?
82% of the Israeli public support, at bare minimum, ethnically cleansing all of Gaza.
Thats 4 out of 5.
That is your statistically valid sample.
Turns out my anecdotal experience was not atypical.
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I've only met a few Japanese (as in, born and raised in Japan and ethnically Japanese) people in my life, and they've all been skilled martial artists.
This just is true.
Because I met them via participating in Karate for over a decade.
... Does this mean I think all Japanese people are highly skilled martial artists?
No.
Not unless you read that into what I said, despite me not actually saying that, because you head canon'd your own context into the first statement.
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in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •I’m not saying that you were being racist. I’m saying that it’s very easy to come across as racist when pointing out things that you don’t like about a few people off the same race.
I’m doing no such thing. I wasn’t judging you for your observations and I made no statement about whether I thought you were racist or not because I don’t have the information required to suggest that you are.
No, I didn’t need to because I was only making the comment that it’s very easy to be seen as racist when you talk about a race of people.
sp3ctr4l
in reply to nogooduser • • •Ah, guess we better just not talk at all about race then and all just do 'im colorblind, i intentionally ignore systemic racial injustices and judge everyone by my own racially priveleged standards'.
Fuck off.
Context matters, the context of this post and the comments that follow from it matter, you just randomly popping in to 'agnostically' critique a single comment, on its own, without context, when the entire point of said comment is that proper context and nuance matter is an insultingly facile and unproductive thing to do, its the insecure, passive-aggressive liberal's version of 'just asking questions' / 'lets say, hypothetically... (nonsenical rhetorical non sequitir).'
Is... is this what you do, just scan random comments and remove all context and then tell people that with all the context removed this could sound bad?
You reply to specific, detailed posts and then say oh actually I was just commenting generally, it just happened to be on this specific comment for no particular reason?
Go back to twitter or bluesky to clutch your pearls, fuck off with your disingenuous, shit-disturber bullshit.
'nogooduser' indeed, almost like an intentional joke name a dedicated contrarian troll would use.
nogooduser
in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •I’m sorry that I offended you. I was genuinely trying to be helpful in pointing out how what you said could be misconstrued.
stopgermanizerz
in reply to nogooduser • • •That's why we have actual surveys.
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in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •sp3ctr4l
in reply to 𝕊𝕞𝕒𝕔𝕜𝕖𝕞 𝕎𝕚𝕥𝕥𝕒𝕕𝕚𝕔 • • •Also, part 2:
Israelis tend to get really fucking triggered when you tell them about:
Israel was literally founded by terrorists who bombed and shot civillians in terror bombings... as in, they explicitly targetted civillians for the chaos factor... and they wrote about this in their own journals and memoirs and then went on to lead the government.
The entire USS Liberty incident, which was almost certainly Israel trying to false flag blow up an American ship during the 6 day war and blame it on the Egyptians, to get the US directly involved.
The Apollo Affair, wherein Israeli sympathizers/spies literally stole US nuclear fissile material from the US to aide in the production of their nuclear weapons (which basically every Western government officially, and society generally, denied they even had nukes untill about a year to 6 months ago).
The Samson Doctrine, Israel's take on nuclear detterance... is more or less this:
If Israel feels like it is going to be nuked or completely invaded, they will nuke major cities in all countries within one to two thousand miles, ally, enemy, neutral, who cares, the logic is to throw as big of a shit fit as possible and declare that if they can't have Israel, no one can have anything, and they'll do all that themselves.
And finally, if you just tell them that Hasbara is a real thing that obviously exists and promotes publically that it will pay anyone who will draft themselves into being an online propaganda troll for Israel.
... Conversely, if anybody were to tell me about all the awful shit the US has done and is doing, I have a functioning moral compass and brain and can say, yep, that shit is/was fucking awful, unnaceptable, and in my ideal world, all those responsible would be in jail or tried as war criminals, in the ICJ for crimes against humanity, Luigi'd, etc.
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in reply to 𝕊𝕞𝕒𝕔𝕜𝕖𝕞 𝕎𝕚𝕥𝕥𝕒𝕕𝕚𝕔 • • •When that story broke, or video footage emerged of ... around a year ago now...
Of a 'hostage rescue mission'... involving a fucking Merkava point blank firing a main cannon round into the building they believed the hostages and their captors were in, that was also in a large multi family apartment building, with tons of other civillians inside....
I fucking lost it.
Even from the perspective of US Rules of Engagement in Iraq War 2, which was... lets say highly insufficient at prioritizing noncombatant safety, at best...
That is fucking godamned insane nonsense. If a US tank crew had accidentally put a tank round into a densely occupied civillian apartment building, they would have been fucking court matrialled, or it would have been covered up and a decent scandal when it leaked out later.
To do this intentionally? In a hostage rescue mission? And every pro-Israel person either ignores it or is totally fine with it?
Just fucking insane, like parody super hero 'oops, Homelander was gonna save everyone but he got angry or sneezed and lasered the airplane pilots' fucking insane.
When that helicopter gun cam vid of blowing away suspected insurgents first aired in 04 on ABC, it caused a national debate.
In Israel, the last year or so, we get a video like that every other day, and then people stitch themselves into it making demeaning jokes.
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shalafi
in reply to blitzen • • •Here's the part where some numbnuts will stop to explain, "Not all Jews!" Yeah. We get that. But the Jewish state of Israel, which was founded as a safe haven for Jews, is genocidal as fuck. And who makes up 75% of the population of Israel? Could it be... Jews? Where do 50% of the Jews on the planet reside? Could it be Israel?
And for stating a few unarguable facts, I expect a ban. Maybe I could very sheepishly, on the down-low, suggest that only a radical, very tiny number of Jews are, perhaps, maybe partly, just a bit, guilty of genocide, or at least, are collaborators and supporters?
FFS, no one has the balls to say out loud, "Not a good look guys." <-anti-Semitism
Sincerely:
GenXer who had always supported Israel and had less than zero beef with Jews.
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Madagaskar_sky
in reply to shalafi • • •Yeah, I think it's less being Jewish and more that they are settlers. They are acting just like how Canadians, Australians and Afrikaners acted against the local indigenous population.
Anything that reminds them that they don't belong to this land (in their assessment and minds, land does not belong to anyone) they hate that. Mostly the people who were there before them.
It's not Jewishness, it's just Assholeishness.
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in reply to shalafi • • •menas
in reply to NoneOfUrBusiness • • •Sources ?
The biggest foreign community that support the fascists in Israel are evangelist.
On the other side, their is a lot of Jewish organization that support Palestine
jordanlund
in reply to shalafi • • •Israel is absolutely being genocidal here, but it has nothing to do with them being Jews. They want the land, full stop. They believe they are more entitled to the land than anyone else, full stop.
The fact that they are Jewish is really immaterial and hating "the Jews" because of what Israel is doing is a lot like, I dunno, hating white people because of the various White Supremacist groups.
You have a supremacist government taking genocidal actions, any supremacist government would do the same, it doesn't matter what the heritage is.
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in reply to jordanlund • • •And you have a population that largely supports the actions of the government.
It’s not the government just doing what it pleases, it’s doing what its population wants it to do.
jordanlund
in reply to blitzen • • •whoisearth
in reply to jordanlund • • •I'm not disagreeing with you, but as my ex used to comment (she's Jewish and went to private Jewish school) their religion is very clear in explaining they are the chosen children of God.
Off the bat they are indoctrinated that they are better than all of us.
All I know is my children are less safe in the world because of what the state of Israel is doing and that disgusts me.
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menas
in reply to shalafi • • •So it's a fascist state, which include a support of it's population through nationalism. It doesn't change anything that this nationalism is based on a religion, regional or cultural identity. It's work the same.
Speaking about all the population is cutting ourselves from the ally we have in the 15%. We couldn't say "it's over, we couldn't do anything for those left"; we are the 15% in our own imperialist state. And if you think that this is a different situation, there were German resistance during WW2 ... and they almost kill hitler.
Even if you disagree, why speaking about Jewish people and not just Israeli people ? You just insulting every Jews that choose do not live in Israel. A choice you didn't make.
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flandish
in reply to shalafi • • •*Zionist.
NOTHING ABOUT (the “state” of)ISRAEL IS JEWISH.
ALQ
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ArbitraryValue
in reply to RandAlThor • • •How can the war realistically end?
If (2) isn't going to happen then (4) may be the best case scenario for everyone. Even the people being expelled and their descendants would probably be better off than they would be if they remain in Gaza for for many more decades of conflict. However, I very much doubt that it can happen.
GalacticGrapefruit
in reply to ArbitraryValue • • •So... a nation and a religion that was defined by its thousand-year exile by an evil empire forces another nation into a thousand-year exile as the acting hand of another evil empire.
Please understand that this is, on every conceivable level, insanely fucked up and flies in the face of both reason and morality.
The best solution would be to have an integrated, secular government and plans for reparation, return, and reconciliation.
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technocrit
in reply to GalacticGrapefruit • • •There's no reason to assume that ancient israel was any less evil than ancient rome.
Furthemore, that doesn't define judaism. There were thousands of years before and after roman conquest. Zios focus on the roman empire because that's their shitty justification for genocide, theft, etc.
This isn't any more fucked up than the genocide of native americans for example. Unfortunately there's nothing special about empire genociding people. But I don't think these zios are lobbying for native american rights, because zios are genociders.
Lastly this doesn't have much to do with "religion" versus "sucularism". Zionism was largely founded by the non-religious. It's goals are not religious but purely political/genocidal. The most "religious"/spiritual jews largely reject the zionist regime. Religion is a tool of empire, but the more fundamental problems are empire, colonialism, racism, etc.
burgerchurgarr
in reply to ArbitraryValue • • •So your solution is annihilation, let me guess you’re a liberal Zionist or something like that?
There’s only one solution, free Palestine, from the river to the sea. Palestine needs to be decolonized and Palestinians need to be given back what rightfully belongs to them.
Israel as a state should have never been established and this apartheid genocide state just needs to stop existing. All the rabid Zionists who can’t accept that Palestinians are human beings with equal rights can make use of their dual citizenship and leave. Or move to Germany or Hungary or something who seem to love them anyway.
There needs to be Nuremberg process to try all the war criminals and put them behind bars.
As for those who are willing to coexist with Palestinians can stay, but if they live on stolen land or in stolen property they can’t stay there and have to return that to their owners and move somewhere worse.
That’s (5) and what humanity has to strive for.
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CarbonIceDragon
in reply to burgerchurgarr • • •It's also not realistically achievable without somehow convincing Israel to willingly dismantle itself, given that a) a significant disparity of military power exists between it and Palestine, which isn't likely to reverse any time soon given that it is nigh impossible for Palestine to build an economic base sufficient to rival Israel while under effective occupation and b) that it is an open secret that Isreal possess nuclear weapons, making some kind of foreign invasion suicidally untenable. Actually launching those weapons would be an extremely dangerous move of course, but a state facing a clear and imminent outside threat to it's existence is exactly the kind of situation where someone might contemplate it.
The most likely thing to work out that I can envision would be if foreign support can at least shore up what remains of Palestine enough to give it sovereignty and at a stretch some means of deterrence against further attack. All that really achieves admittedly is a two state solution, which doesn't result in a Palestine with particularly favorable geography, but if it results in peace there's the hope that the hatred involved can cool with time and new generations until some kind of union can be proposed without the resultant state being at risk of collapsing into a genocidal state again.
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in reply to xenomor • • •burgerchurgarr
in reply to CarbonIceDragon • • •Apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany and all the colonies of the empire didn’t dismantle themselves because people asked them to do so. This has to happen through boycott, divestment, sanctions because I don’t think more war would be the answer, and I am against violence in any form.
Make Israel collapse by putting so much pressure on them that they just can’t anymore. Our governments won’t just do this, so we have to do it ourselves. It’s a slow process, but it’s a process and with every escalation by them it speeds up.
Unfortunately it doesn’t help the Gazans who are being annihilated right now, but the future I outlined is the only future Palestinians deserve.
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CarbonIceDragon
in reply to burgerchurgarr • • •burgerchurgarr
in reply to CarbonIceDragon • • •South Africa was a nuclear power backed by the same countries that now back the genocide. It was hard to imagine back then that the apartheid would end, but it happened.
Yeah as I said, I’m against violence so I advocate for the boycott solution and not for the Nazi Germany treatment even though some might feel like the Zionists would deserve that…
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rumimevlevi
in reply to burgerchurgarr • • •South africa was not an occupation and still used armed resistance. Armed resistance was always a big part of ending occupation.
It would be so great if occupation was ending without a single casualities this is not the case
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Skiluros
in reply to CarbonIceDragon • • •One other option beyond BDS (and not involving an invasion) would be countries removing diplomatic recognition of Israel and expelling all Israeli diplomats.
This is of course easier said than done, but it's far more viable than any other alternative courses of action.
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in reply to burgerchurgarr • • •And armed revolution
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Saleh
in reply to CarbonIceDragon • • •I recommend you to listen to Ilan Pappé. Israel already is on a trajectory of collapse. The society has many inner rifts.Many people who can afford it leave. The economy would fall apart without the lifeline from its allies. When it comes to anything outside of mass slaughtering civilians, invading countries without leadership and blowing up infrastructure, the IDF is a quite incompetent military.
It will not collapse tomorrow and maybe not in 10 years. But in the long run the zionist project is failing. The question remains how much more genocide Israels allies want to squeeze out of the opportunity.
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in reply to ArbitraryValue • • •You mean a Bantustan? We've already seen this happen in the West Bank and, surprise surprise, it did not lead to peace.
Setting aside how morally reprehensible and utterly stupid this is, did you forget the West Bank?
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Tetragrade
in reply to ArbitraryValue • • •Israel won't stop fighting upon gaining the historical borders of Israel & Judah. That was never the final goal, it's just the current justification.
The Israeli state is sort of doomed to be in a constant ethno-religious war with its neighbours, because-
1. the Israeli state is full of fascists.
2. Most of its neighbours have islamic fundamentalist governments, or otherwise have authoritarian power structures that will have to bend to the religious right in times of crisis.
This means that Israel presently relies on an external backer for its security (the US). Its number one policy goal is to change that fact. As a fascist regime, it's only really got one tool, which is to invade its enemies and engage in settler-colonialism (google Greater Israel). Like it's doing in Gaza. The fringe ultra-right in Israel are already calling to annex Lebanon, to "eliminate Hezbollah".
This is also doomed to fail and cause even more misery.
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Dammam No. 7
in reply to Tetragrade • • •This is false
this is mostly true but they tend to be anti-Islamist
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in reply to Dammam No. 7 • • •taladar
in reply to Tetragrade • • •Makes you wonder if Israel is trying to grab as much land as possible and eliminate as many people who might have competing claims on that land as possible before the US collapses economically (and with that their giant military budget) now that Donald Trump is doing his best to make that a reality.
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Dammam No. 7
in reply to ArbitraryValue • • •Hamas isn't the problem. Both Hamas and the PA tried peace and a 2-state solution along 1967 borders. The Arab League offered peace and normalization to Israel on similar terms in 2002. Israel, specifically the right which keeps winning elections, rejected all peace attempts. Netanyahu's party the Likud adheres to the ideology of Jabotinsky and refuses any Palestinian statehood at all:
Jabotinsky wanted to go further and claim both banks of the Jordan river. Today in Israel talks of annexing Lebanon, Syria and beyond as part of Greater Israel are becoming more mainstream.
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jordanlund
in reply to RandAlThor • • •Shocking. Israel has successfully dehumanized the entire Palestinian population.
nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/…
This was over a year ago:
"Israeli government accounts on the social media site X have been posting a video with a quote from a freed hostage, in which she says that “there are no innocent civilians” in Gaza."
Israel posts video saying ‘there are no innocent civilians’ in Gaza
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menas
in reply to RandAlThor • • •This poll is disgusting
Why do you inquiry people based on their religion, and not their social class or nationality ? Or their implication in the settlements ?
They may have interesting numbers their, but this poll decided to racialize the conflict.
Why shall we trust a poll in fascist state at war, that conclude that the leader have the support of the nationality of that fascim ?
That really seems like propaganda.
Dammam No. 7
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in reply to Dammam No. 7 • • •That's not the point. This a fascist state, which imply a massive support from the population, their is no debate.
So we have to stop being so naive. What say those numbers ? Who allow those numbers to exists ? What those numbers do not tell ? Why nobody ask themselves those questions ?
Finally, some racist people may attack jews around the world because of the confusion made between us and Israel. And again, that confusion is one of the objective of Israel propaganda
technocrit
in reply to menas • • •menas
in reply to technocrit • • •NoneOfUrBusiness
in reply to menas • • •Because Israel, in effect, has two different nationalities: Jewish Israeli and Palestinian Israeli. Polling without considering this simply results in less useful data.
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in reply to NoneOfUrBusiness • • •NoneOfUrBusiness
in reply to menas • • •menas
in reply to NoneOfUrBusiness • • •Nationalities (or citizenships has pointed by @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) are made by the ruling class, and have no reality in it-selves. I don't say we couldn't used those categories, but we have to stay critic.
If not, we will hide some solidarity or antagonism between class. Israel threat a lot of people, including Jews (Falashas, Sefarad, Yiddish, ...), and is supported by anti-semits (radical evangelists, far right party, nazi organization), ...
A poll based on legal categories in an apartheid state is accurate. However, using the name chosen by the nationalist propaganda (i.e "Jews" and not "Jewish Citizenship") is taking part in this propaganda, and have disastrous effect.
Aceticon
in reply to menas • • •They're citizenships, not nationalities.
Israel does this almost unique thing in the World which is split Citizenship from Nationality, with those who have the former only having the latter if they're Jews (constitutionally only a Jew can be an Israeli national). Further Israeli Citizenship is broken into Jewish Israeli and Non-Jewish Israeli, with the latter having less rights than the former (for example, Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens require "authorization" from local authorities to go live in certain parts of the country).
Israel was set up as an Apartheid state from the very beginning.
That said the other poster made a mistake: Palestinians are not Israelis - not even Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens - and have no rights at all in Israel. Further, there is no right to Israeli Citizenship by being born in Israel (unless you're a Jew: any Jew, anywhere in the World, has a right to Israeli Nationality, which also gives them Jewish Israeli Citizenship).
This has interesting effects such as people whose families have lived in Jerusalem for generations not having Israeli Citizenship because it was denied to them even though they were born there and lived there their whole lives. Of course, all of these people are not Jewish as all Jews constitutionally have a right to Israeli Nationality.
So By Law Israel has 3 different classes of people living there, in decreasing order of the rights they have:
- Jews, which by law are all Israeli Nationals (a Jew can literally arrive in Tel-Aviv, ask for Israeli Nationality and get it) and hence are also Jewish Israeli Citizens.
- Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens
- Non-Israeli Citizen, which includes all Palestinians even those born in the territory of Israel as Israel can and frequently does simply refuse to give them even just Non-Jewish Israeli Citizenship.
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thisisnotmyhat
in reply to Aceticon • • •Aceticon
in reply to thisisnotmyhat • • •The don't gatekeep Jewishness, they gatekeep Israeli Nationality on the basis of being Jewish or not.
I have no idea how they determine who is a Jew and who is not.
What I do know, which is pretty damn interesting, is that Etiopian Jews, who are Black, did got Israeli Nationality when they came to Israel and asked for it, same as all other Jews but from what I read the State Of Israel still treated them differently (for example, see here, though this being Britain and the BBC they're likely reporting a milder subset of reality).
Good old white colonialism...
The plight of Ethiopian Jews in Israel
Prof Yossi Mekelberg (BBC News)thisisnotmyhat
in reply to Aceticon • • •SoftestSapphic
in reply to menas • • •Zionism is a religious movement.
It's also nationalist, and jewish supremacist.
Also religion is the main tool used to make people commit atrocities.
menas
in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •No, it's not. Again the biggest organization that support zionism is evangelist. A lot of atheist people are atheist, and a lot of jews are not zionist, or are anti-zionist.
You making short link that break solidarity and make confusion their.
Yes religion used to justify nationalism, colonialist, imperialist and apaththeid... as a propaganda. We don't fighting Israej in repeating its propaganda.
Yiddish culture has piratically been destroy by Israel policy. Jews from Ethiopia (Falashas) has been sterilized by force the Israel. Being Jews or not is unrelated with Israel.
SoftestSapphic
in reply to menas • • •The ideology that the jewish people are owed the promised land of Jerusalem, by god, and that any means to control that holy land are justified, is 100% absolutely a RELIGIOUS extremist beleif.
Stop being delusional
menas
in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •During demo for palestine, we were a lot of Jews; some not practising, some without belief, and some orthodoxe. If you are surprised, by one of those statement, you may reconsider what you think of who are jews or not; because is neither to you or Israel to decide.
Christian Bible said that everyone have to be convert; I would not say that every Christian are intolerant to other bielief. It's obvious that every christians to not believe in eevrything in the bible. Why Jews couldn't do the same with the Torah ?
Living in a land is unrelated to forbid anyone else to do the same. Jews where diving there for millennium before the colonization. And finally, if you thing that we all have to be fundamentalists, the Torah said that the diaspora is is a divine punition, and that this is the role of the messiah to lead us to Israel. Lots of orthodoxe are anti-zionist saying that only god thogh the messiah could allow us to move in Israel.
Sorry but you don't no shit
SoftestSapphic
in reply to menas • • •Jews and Zionists are two distinct groups.
Zionists are jewish extremists, just like ISIS is an extremist islamic group.
menas
in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •Zionism is preteding to defend Jewish people. Its racist and colonial against people of Palestine, people from maghreb or Africa, and it could be antisemitic too : lemmy.wtf/post/22551217
technocrit
in reply to menas • • •What do you think the actual numbers are? How far off is this poll in your conspiracy theory?
menas
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in reply to Naevermix • • •SoftestSapphic
in reply to acargitz • • •82% support genocide.
What percent of the Germans under Hitler supported genocide?
acargitz
in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •Not all.
About 800,000 Germans were arrested during the war for actively resisting. That's about 1% of the population arrested. And these were just the bravest ones. The less glorious ones are probably a bigger number.
That's not to deny that a majority was supporting the Nazis. That's to make the distinction between "most" and "all".
Jakeroxs
in reply to acargitz • • •acargitz
in reply to Jakeroxs • • •acargitz
in reply to RandAlThor • • •My understanding is that Israeli TV is hugely responsible for making this mainstream. Just like in Rwanda where radio played a huge role in the genocide.
It's almost as if genocide scholars have been warning about a series of patterns over the last couple of years...
- YouTube
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in reply to acargitz • • •homura1650
in reply to IhaveCrabs111 • • •It's hard to say. With or without hostages, October 7 was extremely traumatic; and came in the context of a population already primed to be suspicious of Palestinians. In particular, the West Bank ethnic cleansing was already well underway with the tacit support of the general population; as although for most people that support was more about apathy than proactive support. Looking at how the US lost its shit for decades after 9/11, it is clear that hostages are not necessary for that to happen. Israel has also to deal with follow up attacks, which has a way of keeping trauma fresh.
Regarding the role of the hostages in this case, the first thing to acknowledge is that the actual response by Israel has not prioritized the hostages. Critical members of Israel's current governing coalition have threatened to leave over prior attempts at a hostage deal. This has lead a serious rift developing between the current government and many of the hostage families.
However, from a propaganda side, the hostages have been a major assesset to the current government (both internationally and domestically). Most people are simply not that engaged in politics. We have heard repeatedly from Israeli military leadership that there are no achievat military goals left in Gaza. However, it is hard for that message to break through when the other side can point to the hostages and say "freeing those people is our goal". Nevermind the fact that everyone paying attention knows that military action is not an effective tool of hostage release [0] and almost all of the freed hostages have been freed as a result of diplomacy.
[0] It can be useful for leverage in negotiations; but Israel is well past the point needed for that.
acargitz
in reply to homura1650 • • •homura1650
in reply to acargitz • • •Most of October 7 was a crime, even without the hostages. Taking the hostages was itself a crime, and continuing to hold them continues to be a crime.
The question of what Hamas "should" do is more complicated. Clearly following international law is not a priority for them, so that justification goes out the window.
In terms of actually advancing their interests, I don't see much benefit to them. Their biggest asset in Israeli domestic politics are the hostages. The political pressure in Israel to free them is real, and the decision makers all know that a deal is the only way to meet that. Further, a not insignificant portion of the population oppose the war in it's current form specifically because of the hostages. The only wins Hamas has gotten has been through hostage negotiations.
In exchange for giving all of that up, Hamas gets a slight benefit in the PR war. It is a very hard sell to say that is a good trade.
If you want Hamas to free the hostages, you need to get to a point where "Hamas should free the hostages" is true from the perspective of Hamas. Then, you can work on convincing them it is true. The good news is that Hamas is very amenable to the idea that releasing hostages is in their interest. That is the entire reason you take hostages: to get some benefit by releasing them.
acargitz
in reply to homura1650 • • •I am using "should" in a moral sense, according to my own moral compass. I mean that according to my own morality they "should do the right thing". Nothing beyond that.
That said, I agree with your analysis entirely.
rumimevlevi
in reply to acargitz • • •Netanyahu want to continue the genocide even after hostages are released .
Don't tell the oppressed what to do when the west been ignoring 57 years of occupation and dozens of atrocities like 7 of October through history .
You should ask for Israel to end occupation, allow a one or two state solution then bring people responsible of atrocities on both side
acargitz
in reply to rumimevlevi • • •rumimevlevi
in reply to acargitz • • •You are an idealist ignoring history and human psychology .It would be cool if there was a resistance group that do not target any civilians and do not get money from shady group. This was never the case. I can got in history and see ton of massacre commited by the oppressed due to oppresion. Like nana sahib in india promising safety to a bunch of british civilians amd soldier and ending up massacring them.
Palestinians won't stay silence and keep hearing the useless both commited attrocities bs , waiting arabs and west countries to help which they will never do.
I don't support hamas, i support their actions against the idf terrorists only
Talking about a useful idiot, that's the palestinian autority collaborating with israel while israel arm and protect violent terrorists settlers and expanding settlements
acargitz
in reply to rumimevlevi • • •You are so hardcore and knowledgeable of human history and psychology. So hardcore. Yea.
Look buddy. The world fucking sucks, right? People do horrible things. People are locked into doing horrible things. People are desperate, and brutalized and traumatized and beaten down. You can look at that and say, yea that's how it is.
Or you can look at it and say We Should Do Better. You call that idealism? Good. In a world where reality is becoming more brutal by the hour, maybe a little idealism is what exactly we need.
rumimevlevi
in reply to acargitz • • •acargitz
in reply to rumimevlevi • • •Like I said before:
Ending the occupation is the obvious solution. The occupation and the apartheid is the root of all this shit.
Here's the catch for you though: ending the occupation is not realistic, it's the most idealistic thing one could be asking for right now. Because the reality on the ground, created by decades of colonization is that it is simply politically impossible to extract about a million settlers from the West Bank. So "ending the occupation" is exactly the kind of idealism that I'm also pushing for (like "don't take kids hostages"). Because if we are talking about a real liberation scenario, in the best case, we are talking about some kind of post-apartheid mess. Maybe some kind of civil war too.
So don't you fucking run your mouth at me about history and human psychology. I'm tired of supposed hardcore know-it-alls. Hayde malaka.
rumimevlevi
in reply to acargitz • • •I don't care about your comment history. You keep saying you oppose occupation then deny Palestinians right to armed resistance.
Here the catch, no occupied country knew that one day there will liberate themselves from occupation, they just has to do what they have to do.
Ending occupation by all mean necessary is certainly more realistic then yelling in the cloud stop occupation and expect the occupier to stop occupying.
That's why I ask for a one state solution. This is also ending the occupation and the only solution to stop violence on both side. Do you agree that a one state solution is the best option and this would happen only if Israel is weaken military and economically?
acargitz
in reply to rumimevlevi • • •Strategically, we are aligned, we are in agreement. Yes, a bi-/pluri- national successor democracy with equal rights for all people, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, etc, Arab, Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Druze, etc. Indigenous, Migrant, Refugee, etc. Yes. With democracy and equal rights to all. With safety to all. A state and a society that would honour the Nakba AND the Holocaust.
Tactically, no. I am not denying Palestinians the right to armed resistance. I am denying them the right to cruelty. Killing, injuring, capturing soldiers in battle? That's their right and god damn it I cheer them when they do it. Doing the same things to civilians? Fuck. No. I maintain the need for moral clarity in this shit that we are in. And that's our difference: you are embracing a kind of pseudo-revolutionary nihilism that is willing to accept cruelty if it comes from the below. You pretend that is somehow "by all means necessary", as if kidnapping kids is ever "necessary". Fuck. No. Your politics is anti-political, it is a dead-end, there is no possibility for a future, just hatred and larping Malcolm X. You want an end to the violence? Good. Start acting like it.
rumimevlevi
in reply to acargitz • • •The 7 of October atrocities would never happen if the UN country members did all they can do to stop the occupation. They could all decide to isolate Israel economically in the first year of Israel occupying Gaza and the west bank.
Before 7 of October the west countries population completely forgot about the 5 decades of occupation. The western leaders continued to support Israel with arms and economical exchange. The Arab countries was going to sign the Abraham accord isolating Palestinians even more , Israel never stopped building new settlements , they armed the settlers and are protecting them from legal persecution when they attack Palestinians.
Israel left Gaza military and decided to control it from the outside. That mean Hamas would have never been able to do such a big operation that would shake the world and reminds the west and Arab countries for their duty to stop the occupation which again decide to ignore their duty and think that some smoke screen action would stop the occupation
I don't think there is a resistance group that didn't do act of terrorism due to oppression and desperation , technically and in real world you are denying Palestinians from armed resistance given by international laws.
Without realizing it you basically adopt the status quo both side did terrible things and occupation will maintain.
I will continue to support the resistance actions of defense against the IDF and condemn the atrocities they did until a better resistance group appear or occupation end. I would call for punishing any person who participated in atrocities once occupation end.
SectoidLexi
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technocrit
in reply to blazeknave • • •The wider truth is that anyone who's remotely sane or empathetic is driven out of the zio regime. I have a friend who grew up under the regime and resisted the mandatory terrorism. He was put in prison, then he was harassed and threatened with death until he fled to USA. This dude is an exceptionally great person and for that reason he was violently forced out.
So whom does that leave over there? Only the most genocidal wackos. Thus, this completely unsurprising poll.
driving_crooner
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the_wiz
in reply to RandAlThor • • •The thing is: I can understand them.
If you are part of a minority that was trampled on for a long, long period of time, being targeted for anhiliation and now, having a somewhat safe nation for not even 80 years within a sea of other nations wanting to destroy them... well, i absolutely can understand them to ensure their safety whatever it takes. Yeah, it may not be pretty (or to be more precise: Often outright gross), it may not be "fair"... but i can understand that they don't want to take any chances.
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in reply to Modern_medicine_isnt • • •4am
in reply to the_wiz • • •Well that fear is being exploited by those with more sinister motives.
Just because you can understand how we got here doesn’t mean that it’s ok, or even inevitable.
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in reply to acargitz • • •Boogiepop
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in reply to Boogiepop • • •technocrit
in reply to the_wiz • • •Who's actually using terrorism? Maybe the terrorists that have murdered tens of thousands of children? Expelled people from their homes? Stolen land and still stealing more in several countries?
I can't even imagine being this dumb. Phony account probably.
technocrit
in reply to the_wiz • • •Modern_medicine_isnt
in reply to the_wiz • • •I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don't really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.
I mean if I grew up being told the neighbor was a dangeous crazy heathen that is hell bent on killing me. And that neighbor occasionally threw explosives over the fence. I would want them gone no matter if they had a good reason or what not.
Article is walled, so I couldn't read it. But I bet the questions were setup to differentiate expelling them from killing them. So I can understand a lot of people wanting the Palestinians gone. That doesn't mean the same number agree with what is being done to make it happen.
technocrit
in reply to Modern_medicine_isnt • • •What if they're throwing explosives because you occasionally murder your neighbors by the dozen?
the_wiz
in reply to Modern_medicine_isnt • • •The same could be said for the other side... which is the reason i think this conflict is absolutely hopeless...
rumimevlevi
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in reply to the_wiz • • •No you don't. If you care about both you would advocate for ending the occupation instead of saying that you understand that some jews want genociding palestinians who has nothing to do with the nazis that almost genocided them .
It's like you if you where alive during Nate Turner revolt saying I care about both salves and slaves owners
technocrit
in reply to the_wiz • • •It's anti-semitic to conflate judaism with zionism. Zionists were collaborating with the nazis and using the holocaust to steal land in palestine during ww2.
the_wiz
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in reply to RandAlThor • • •I can't trust a poll that claims nearly universal support for a Genocidal government. A phony poll like that would be exactly the kind of propaganda an immoral government would spread.
Here in America, if the MAGA Nazi government claimed 82% supported them, I would literally laugh at it.
Governments like Israel and MAGA can't be trusted with anything. They are ALWAYS lying.
Crikeste
in reply to barneypiccolo • • •technocrit
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in reply to technocrit • • •I know a Palestinian talking to Israelis on omegle . Most of them are so disgusting and racists.
This new documentary serie is cool
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in reply to RandAlThor • • •For years Israel has been running around the world, waving their foes statements about “pushing Israel into the sea” as a call to arms against atrocity.
And now here they are, committing that very atrocity. But genocide seems inevitable when your stated goal is to be an ethnostate.
Gates9
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in reply to kshade • • •plenty of non-Muslims too
Doorbook
in reply to kshade • • •What a stupid comment.
Jew lived in yemen - Iraq - Palestine - Egypt - Morocco - Iran for hundred of years. Saying Arab hate jew is propaganda.
The hate is for Israeli and those who supported them through the year while they genocide - destroy villages- cites- farms- didnt allow people to go back home.. in fact they kick them out of their own home and allowing an American zionist Jew to just take the land.
They build shelter because they know they are a colony and sooner or later people of the land will attempt to get them back. Not because “Arab hate them”
thisisnotmyhat
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in reply to nutsack • • •“they legitimately believe that Muslim countries hate them, and Muslims in general want to kill them”
Do you have any experience with the press in their neighboring countries? There are absolutely some sources pushing this narrative in the opinion sections from
time to time. I used to read The Daily Star (Lebanon) to follow Israeli news from
a non-Israeli perspective and would see this in that paper a few times a year.
By no means am I suggesting that the billions of Muslims uniformly want to kill Israelis but the percentage that does isn’t zero.
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in reply to nutsack • • •This is plausible, but not entirely without a reason. I stopped taking sides in this mess long ago.
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