Hughes.net?
I am thinking about getting Hughes.net for home internet.
My internet usage is totally vanilla, streaming, games etc.
Has anyone used Hughes.net, and are you happy with the service?
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Meta will no longer accept political, election, or social issue ads in the EU from October, citing incoming regulation.
Ending Political, Electoral and Social Issue Advertising in the EU in Response to Incoming European Regulation
From early October 2025, we will no longer allow political, electoral and social issue ads on our platforms in the EU. This is a difficult decision - oneMeta Newsroom (Meta)
Immigration agents told a teenage US citizen: ‘You’ve got no rights.’ He secretly recorded his brutal arrest
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33668110
Video from Kenny Laynez-Ambrosio, 18, puts fresh scrutiny on the harsh tactics used to reach the Trump administration’s ambitious enforcement targetsClare Considine
Fri 25 Jul 2025 13.19 EDT
Video footage of the incident captured by Laynez-Ambrosio... appears to show a group of officers in tactical gear working together to violently detain the three men*, two of whom are undocumented. They appear to use a stun gun on one man, put another in a chokehold and can be heard telling Laynez-Ambrosio: “You’ve got no rights here. You’re a migo, brother.” Afterward, agents can be heard bragging and making light of the arrests, calling the stun gun use “funny” and quipping: “You can smell that … $30,000 bonus.”
Immigration agents told a teenage US citizen: ‘You’ve got no rights.’ He secretly recorded his brutal arrest
Video from Kenny Laynez-Ambrosio, 18, puts fresh scrutiny on the harsh tactics used to reach the Trump administration’s ambitious enforcement targetsClare Considine
Fri 25 Jul 2025 13.19 EDTVideo footage of the incident captured by Laynez-Ambrosio... appears to show a group of officers in tactical gear working together to violently detain the three men*, two of whom are undocumented. They appear to use a stun gun on one man, put another in a chokehold and can be heard telling Laynez-Ambrosio: “You’ve got no rights here. You’re a migo, brother.” Afterward, agents can be heard bragging and making light of the arrests, calling the stun gun use “funny” and quipping: “You can smell that … $30,000 bonus.”
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Immigration agents told a teenage US citizen: ‘You’ve got no rights.’ He secretly recorded his brutal arrest
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/33668110
Video from Kenny Laynez-Ambrosio, 18, puts fresh scrutiny on the harsh tactics used to reach the Trump administration’s ambitious enforcement targetsClare Considine
Fri 25 Jul 2025 13.19 EDT
Video footage of the incident captured by Laynez-Ambrosio... appears to show a group of officers in tactical gear working together to violently detain the three men*, two of whom are undocumented. They appear to use a stun gun on one man, put another in a chokehold and can be heard telling Laynez-Ambrosio: “You’ve got no rights here. You’re a migo, brother.” Afterward, agents can be heard bragging and making light of the arrests, calling the stun gun use “funny” and quipping: “You can smell that … $30,000 bonus.”
Immigration agents told a teenage US citizen: ‘You’ve got no rights.’ He secretly recorded his brutal arrest
Video from Kenny Laynez-Ambrosio, 18, puts fresh scrutiny on the harsh tactics used to reach the Trump administration’s ambitious enforcement targetsClare Considine
Fri 25 Jul 2025 13.19 EDTVideo footage of the incident captured by Laynez-Ambrosio... appears to show a group of officers in tactical gear working together to violently detain the three men*, two of whom are undocumented. They appear to use a stun gun on one man, put another in a chokehold and can be heard telling Laynez-Ambrosio: “You’ve got no rights here. You’re a migo, brother.” Afterward, agents can be heard bragging and making light of the arrests, calling the stun gun use “funny” and quipping: “You can smell that … $30,000 bonus.”
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Immigration agents told a teenage US citizen: ‘You’ve got no rights.’ He secretly recorded his brutal arrest
Video from Kenny Laynez-Ambrosio, 18, puts fresh scrutiny on the harsh tactics used to reach the Trump administration’s ambitious enforcement targets
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Fri 25 Jul 2025 13.19 EDT
Video footage of the incident captured by Laynez-Ambrosio... appears to show a group of officers in tactical gear working together to violently detain the three men*, two of whom are undocumented. They appear to use a stun gun on one man, put another in a chokehold and can be heard telling Laynez-Ambrosio: “You’ve got no rights here. You’re a migo, brother.” Afterward, agents can be heard bragging and making light of the arrests, calling the stun gun use “funny” and quipping: “You can smell that … $30,000 bonus.”
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this is what "western values" actually means
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Intel abandons chip plants in Germany and Poland, confirms more layoffs
Intel abandons chip plants in Germany and Poland, confirms more layoffs
: CEO Lip-Bu Tan says strategy shift will focus on customer needs, efficiency, and cutting costsDan Robinson (The Register)
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Transparent PCBs Trigger 90s Nostalgia
Transparent PCBs Trigger 90s Nostalgia
What color do you like your microcontroller boards? Blue? Red? Maybe white or black? Sadly, all of those are about to look old hat. Why? Well, as shared by [JLCPCB], this transparent Arduino looks …Hackaday
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MB manufacturers are leaving money on the table. They can pair it with a transparent GPU and sell it as a combo.
$$$
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Pretty sure it would just be copper color. Lots of overlapping layers (6-8) in a MB.
The late 90s to early 2000s PCs I remember were that god awful beige color that I absolutely hated. It was fucking horrible.
Like in my mind, I associate that particular color of beige to dinosaur tech that's not worth having around.
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SilverStone reveals the FLP02 late-80s style tower PC case — proudly beige but thoroughly modern inside
Supports massive modern GPUs, up to 360mm AiO CPU coolers, and has a Turbo button fan controller.Mark Tyson (Tom's Hardware)
I love that. I still have the very first computer I ever bought, a Power Mac G4
I keep saying that some day I'll modify the case to house my current PC.
My favorite feature of that case was the latch you can see on the side, you pull the latch and the entire side opens downward, no screws. .
"Tea" app - user database leaked today (incl. drivers license & IDs). Daily reminder not to give your ID to online services [THEY DO NOT PROTECT YOUR INFORMATION]
Remember the UK new safety law.
techcrunch.com/2025/07/15/redd…
404media.co/women-dating-safet…
Reddit rolls out age verification in the UK to comply with new rules | TechCrunch
Reddit users in the UK will have to upload their ID or a selfie to access potentially harmful content.Lauren Forristal (TechCrunch)
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Uh... What's the tea app?
Edit: from what I can gather based on the last link attached to this post it seems to be some kind of app for women to talk about men they've dated. Why that needs drivers license uploads is a whole other question and definitely should have raised some massive red flags for anyone thinking about using it.
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Found this article after a quick web search: forbes.com/sites/kateoflaherty…
It's an app where women upload photos of men they're dating to get "the tea" on them (red flags, catfishing, etc.). I always wondered if something like this existed. Sucks that it has to, sucks even more if their users are being targeted like this.
What Is Tea, The Viral Women-Only App With 1 Million Downloads?
Tea, an app that allows women to post pictures and info on men they’re dating for feedback, is going viral. What exactly does the app do and what problems does it raise?Forbes
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Just goes to show how lost you are in your feminist supremacy bubble, that even leftist spaces like lemmy think this thing is creepy.
This already happened in my country, Secret was an app that got huge while I was finishing high school, an anonymous platform for people to confess private stuff, it rapidly became bully culture and libel central.
If someone doesn't want to date you because of gossip they read online, then you dodged a bullet. The garbage took itself out.
Do you think X should be shut down because some users use it irresponsibly?
Reddit?
Lemmy?
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The reason that up until now an app like that hasn't existed is because it is an absolutely awful idea if you spend more than 10 seconds thinking about it.
It's ripe for abuse in fact I would be surprised if even half of the reports are legitimate. Isn't absolutely god awful system and whoever thought this up is an absolute prat, who seriously needs to get outside and actually experience real life and real people.
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The drivers license thing is likely due to a law passed by the UK a few days ago requires all mature content to be behind an age check. And not a "Are you 18: Yes / No", more like "we will check using ID and photos of you".
It's the most hated piece of legislation in a while, with already 100 000 petition votes in 3 days to repeal it.
Petition: Repeal the Online Safety Act
We want the Government to repeal the Online Safety act.Petitions - UK Government and Parliament
No idea why they were collecting identification then.
Even worse, since the hackers got a bunch of the data at once, the company must have held onto those pictures long after they registered people to their service, which they likely didn't need to do.
Oh yes the famous state of Colorado UK.
UK driving licences do not look like that, they don't have US states on them (major clue), are green, and if the person in the photo actually looks like a living human and not corpse, it gets sent back as unacceptable.
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"talk"
They try to get a pass on this by saying it's about "safety" and reporting creeps. But it's filled with women posting dudes and gossip. It gives me the same vibes as those sites back in the day that were shut down because they were essentially revenge porn sites. Same shit different form.
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Yea cause that's what these sites totally were doing.
Everyone knows what these places were. 4chan are fucking scumbags but so are the people using these gossip sites. They're both cut from the same cloth
Aside from the fact that it was stored in a public database, there's no need to store photos of the IDs at all. The account can just be marked as verified and move on.
Also I doubt that measure would keep a man out if he really wanted to join...
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The only entity able to connect you in this case is the identity verification third party. The premise is that a government-backed identification system is more secure than a rando private company.
Private company asks government "hey is this user real and unique", government replies "yes". Private webiste does not need to know your ID. No identifying element needs to be transmitted by the government.
Of course some private companies will need more, and in that case the user, you, can grant them access to data, much like the current authentication systems using Google accounts & co.
In which case the flow would be:
- Rando insecure company asks government "is this user real and unique? I need their name"
- Government website asks you "this rando company wants to know your name"
- You accept
- Goverbment replies to rando insecure conpany "yes, user real, name is X"
That's how it should be.
Any government already has all of that information, so, no.
By giving it to a company, you just increase the risks of info leakage.
I assume OP actually meant the additional info the government can get from where I authenticate with my goverment ID to a company.
Hypothecial situation: You wanna buy a sex toy.
If the goverment does store where and what you buy, they could punish you by withholding services.
And they might not say why and give a bs excuse or send you on a goose hunt to do more paperwork.
You can suspect that but probably never proof that it was the case.
As always life is complicated.
I am talking about my personal situation.
^(Do I really need to put a disclaimer to all posts, that mentions all comments are from my own view and might no apply to every situation in every country?)
They wouldn’t see what sites you give the tokens to — unless those sites choose to phone home, for some reason.
- You log in to the government site
- You ask for a token to prove your age/gender/whatever
- You copy the token
- You go to the age/gender-restricted site
- You provide the token
- The restricted site asks the government site how to verify any arbitrary token (but doesn’t mention your specific token)
- The restricted site verifies the token
Friendly reminder that some services do need your ID otherwise they cannot help you or at least they need to very you (accountants, notaries, etc)
edit: I can´t do your tax report if I 1 don´t identify you and 2 I don't have the social security for which I need to do the report
Not to me, yes the app sucks, yes the use case of the app also sucks, yes devs are either super green or even mostly AI (these have been discussed extensively and I agree with all).
But can't commend public release of such sensitive data in such a place. You can still bury this app and the company without compromising people's sensitive data. Makes for less of a show and less opportunity to boast but yea.
yes devs are either super green or even mostly AI
Solely blaming the devs tells me you have no experience with Firebase security
That's exactly what hacking is.
'90s hacking movies may have given you a different idea of what cybersecurity looks like, but this is what the real world is like
Also, Google deserves a scolding here. Firebase's default configuration is absolutely atrocious. One of the few critical vulnerabilities I've seen where the system is working as intended. Dubbed the hospital gown vuknerability because they leave the backend wide open by default
Firebase's default configuration
I'm going to get on my grumpy old man soapbox. I understand making things idiot proof for end users. End users are idiots. But do we have to make things super safe for developers now too? Do we want to add a warning to rm so we don't accidentally remove the wrong directory?
Any developer who doesn't know to check permissions and accessibility on their database deserves to have their AI vibe coding bot taken away.
Tea App Breach Exposes 72,000 Selfies, ID Photos and Other User Images
The images had been in a "legacy data system" that contained information from more than two years ago, the company says.
A UK Government Order Threatens the Privacy and Security of All Internet Users
A UK Government Order Threatens the Privacy and Security of All Internet Users - Internet Society
Earlier this year, the UK government ordered Apple to provide access to encrypted data in the company's cloud storage service, iCloud.John Perrino (Internet Society)
Xiaomi's Xring O1 Chip: Everything You Need to Know About the New Powerhouse
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/33432512
Xiaomi recently announced its Xring O1 chipset, and if you’re curious about the details, here’s what you need to know about it.
Intel will cancel 14A and following nodes if it can't win a major external customer — move would cede leading-edge nodes to TSMC and Samsung
cross-posted from: sopuli.xyz/post/30921919
Then exit the leading-edge process technologies completely.
Second monitor not working on Fedora 42 (Solved) [RTX 4070Ti]
I just got this laptop and the second monitor is clearly detected by Fedora, as the monitor layout popup pops up, but the monitor doesn't actually work.
I assume this to be an NVIDIA problem, but as I have no experience with NVIDIA-based issues, I thought I'd ask here.
Here's my system specs:Operating System: Fedora Linux 42 KDE Plasma Version: 6.4.3 KDE Frameworks Version: 6.16.0 Qt Version: 6.9.1 Kernel Version: 6.15.7-200.fc42.x86_64 (64-bit) Graphics Platform: Wayland Processors: 24 × Intel® Core™ Ultra 9 275HX Memory: 32 GiB of RAM (30.8 GiB usable) Graphics Processor: Intel® Graphics Manufacturer: LENOVO Product Name: 83LU System Version: Legion Pro 5 16IAX10H
Side note - is it not detecting my GPU?
It's using your embedded GPU, not the Nvidia one. Depending on the laptop build, only some outputs work with both, or one or the other. Kind of a crapshoot.
On your terminal run nvidia-smi and see if you get some output. If not, your Nvidia card isn't being used. On Fedora, it should be pretty straightforward to install the drivers if you haven't done so yet.
idroot.us/install-nvidia-drive…
How To Install NVIDIA Drivers on Fedora 42
Installing NVIDIA drivers on Fedora 42 can significantly enhance your system's graphics performance, enabling smoother gaming experiences, efficient computational tasks, and better support for graphicr00t (idroot)
From games to reminders to drink water: The rise of 'streaks,' rewards that keep you hooked
From games to reminders to drink water: The rise of 'streaks,' rewards that keep you hooked
The use of tracking meters, popularized by apps such as Duolingo and Snapchat to reward their most dedicated users, has become widespread. However, addiction specialists and psychologists have raised concerns.Camille Ribot (Le Monde)
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Streak addiction is real, I had one Snapchat streak years ago that was over 1500, the person it was with and I would send one snap a day of nothing really just to keep the streak going. It got to the point that the one snap was the only time I communicated with that person, and it was honestly a relief when the streak finally lapsed. I had a few times where I was camping with no signal and would literally go on hikes with no destination just to find phone signal to send my daily snap to them.
Number go up makes monkey brain happy, even when you’re aware of how dumb it is.
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Check out mango. Its pleasant and has a really nice interface.
You can use your library card for free premium access.
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Over 70 languages to explore Highest-rated language-learning app* 4.8 Start Your Journey How it works Learn it Learn with proven linguistic methodology that focuses on Intuitive Language Construction™.Mango Languages
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My library district actually just got access to Mango in May, I downloaded it, but I haven’t had a chance to try it
Thanks!
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As I always say about duolingo, if you have not completed the course in 3 months you won't learn a language with it. Duolingo is a good introduction when you don't know anything about a language, but you need a lot of advanced materials they they don't really have to become fluent.
Though if your goal is just to play a game and feel like you are learning something - well at least you get some vocabulary. It won't teach you a language but that need not be your goal.
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Gamification.
Employers use it in lieu of paying living wages.
Business employ the practice with rewards cards.
Humans physiologically crave competition and the sweet dopamine of accomplishment.
Understanding The Data Center Water Regulation Debate
With the rise of Artificial Intelligence (AI), there has been a dramatic rise in data center construction. However, this high demand for AI comes with a steep environmental cost, particularly for water consumption. Water is used at data centers to manufacture IT equipment, cool machinery, and generate electricity. These practices can consume millions of gallons of water daily, prompting both national and international legislation on transparency and sustainability.
On the other hand, some are hesitant to enforce regulation. Data centers provide substantial economic benefits, including job creation, tax revenue, and technological advancement. Critics argue that imposing strict environmental regulations could lessen these benefits by increasing operational costs and potentially driving companies overseas. Others are concerned that well-intentioned limits on water use might unintentionally lead to riskier cooling methods that rely on more energy-intensive processes.
However, water scarcity is a growing global threat, and data centers are becoming central to this dilemma. Excessive water withdrawals can disrupt local ecosystems and economies. Supporters of regulation highlight how policy can encourage innovation in closed-loop systems and free-air cooling to reduce freshwater dependence.
What are your thoughts on AI’s water consumption? Do you think that there should be more regulation? Or, do you think the future benefits and promises of AI outweigh the environmental costs?
Understanding The Data Center Water Regulation Debate | ACE
As artificial intelligence (A.I.) continues its exponential rate of development, the demand for data has never been higher. However, meeting the expected needJosh Gehring (Alliance for Citizen Engagement)
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I don't owe you anything, books.
Next time try being more interesting.
Mercedes Gives Customers the One Thing They've Always Wanted: Microsoft Teams
Mercedes Gives Customers the One Thing They've Always Wanted: Microsoft Teams
Just when you thought in-car technology couldn’t get any worse, Mercedes and Microsoft have teamed up to put Teams in your vehicle.Jeff Perez (Motor1.com)
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Best os choices and use cases for a netbook with 2ram?
Plus, is the CPU even 64bit yet? Many distros have dropped their 32bit support already.
An up-to-date desktop suite? Hardly so.
I used to run Gentoo (and build it too) on an arm tablet with 1gb RAM, quite a few years ago. It was an Asus TF700T with an hardware keyboard and touch screen.
It's painful and really almost useless. You can setup the tyniest of the window manger and tools, but forget about browsing, using any office program, and probably a lot more.
With patience, it can be used i guess. Also, could be a nice command line only device with decent results.
My arch linux with KDE only uses 500Mb ram after boot and I have a handfull of apps in the autostart. So I would guess with some explicitly lighter desktop environment you can be well below 100Mb
If you have a chance to add an ssd or nvme you could allocate a decently sized swap partition and let the OS handle the rest.
Maybe you won't be able to watch full HD youtube in big fat chrome browser, but otherwise it should work just fine I think.
A Science Project: Windows for Workgroups 3.11 on vintage and modern hardware in 2016
(This is a long 5600+ words post, I recommend reading this from a tablet or computer) Windows for Workgroups 3.11 (WFW3.11) was an operating system (OS) released by Microsoft in August 1993 and ended support in December 2001.YKM's Corner on the Web
Is it 32-bit? If it is, then that also severely limits your options. Personally, I just throw Debian or one of its derivatives on old hardware like that. You may want to consider Q4OS. It's Debian based and is geared specifically towards old and low-end hardware. Interestingly, it's also one of only a couple distros that ship with Trinity as a desktop environment.
Retro gaming is definitely doable with 2GB of RAM, considering that older Raspberry Pi boards can do it with just 1GB. In that case you could try Batocera.
Some other ideas include running something like Nextcloud or a media server on it on your home network. In that case, I'd again recommend Debian.
Like others have said, Debian probably isn’t a bad idea.
I feel like it would be kind of stupid to run a full-on desktop environment even though technically possible, though - I think this is a good use for IceWM.
Also, at worst, you might have a really low power server.
I suggest Q4OS (with Trinity DE). It loads itself at 340 MB of RAM, so it leaves you with a lot of free RAM (especially since the heaviest apps now are browsers -- youtube needs 1 GB for itself). Arch Linux with XFCE can be made to boot at 470 MB. Debian starts at 650 MB. Ubuntu/Fedora start at over 1.5 GB so avoid.
Then of course there are the damnsmalllinux, antix etc, but the user experience on these is bad. Q4OS feels like a modern OS with GUI panels for everything, while not taking lots of ram.
Bunsenlab Linux I suppose, but do know if it's the single core atom version web browsing will be very slow and YT will only work in 240p after spending 10 minutes loading and you gotta use Chrome.
Mine has a Windows XP dualboot for retro gaming and Office 2007 flies on this thing. (Though it's not very compatible with newer versions of office)
Retro gaming is the best use case including ps1 emulation. I've been thinking of putting native dos on it, because some dos games are lagging in dosbox. (like imperium galactica 1 and even Prehistoric 2..)
Two major AI coding tools wiped out user data after making cascading mistakes
Two major AI coding tools wiped out user data after making cascading mistakes
“I have failed you completely and catastrophically,” wrote Gemini.Benj Edwards (Ars Technica)
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I didnt think anybody could be that stupid...
Where have you been for the last 5 years?
And can I come wherever that was? Sounds blissful.
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I'm convinced the AI models ran across the "best place to test is in production" joke in training and thought it was a valid process.
I mean, it is a valid process. You will get far faster results that way than on a test server.
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From TFA:
"I have failed you completely and catastrophically," Gemini CLI output stated. "My review of the commands confirms my gross incompetence."
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the same? idk i think this is worse… who does vibe coding, sees the huge number of errors AI makes and THEN is like “yeah sure i’ll pipe that straight into a prod DB shell”
random bash scripts from reputable projects at least work most of the time (eg like homebrew)
Again, they were running dev tools in prod.
That's a mistake so dumb, it's actually in the ISO that tells you how not to be a fuck up.
You don't run your dev tools in prod.
~~A good craftsman never blames their tools~~
EDIT: I misquoted
A bad workman blames their tools
On one hand, it's very clear the tools are the core of the problem.
On the other hand, I don't think I'll be calling any vibe coders good craftsman any time soon.
Women Dating Safety App 'Tea' Breached, Users' IDs Posted to 4chan
Women Dating Safety App 'Tea' Breached, Users' IDs Posted to 4chan
“DRIVERS LICENSES AND FACE PICS! GET THE FUCK IN HERE BEFORE THEY SHUT IT DOWN!” the thread read before being deleted.Emanuel Maiberg (404 Media)
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My friend came over and told me a story about this crazy date she was on. The guy love bombs her, sets her up with a massage, then in the morning, goes out and eats McDonalds alone and ghosts her. Then repeats every few weeks with love bombs.
I shared that with my discord group and someone said they know that guy too.
Im assuming that's what Tea is for.
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sets her up with a massage, then in the morning,
What happened between the massage and him ditching her to eat breakfast?
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...eats McDonalds alone and ghosts her. Then repeats every few weeks with love bombs
Something something "cheat day"
Stay classy, 4chan. /facepalm
I can understand some people's skepticism on how quickly an app like this can turn into a gossip and defamation tool, especially when those who might be defamed can't access it... but god damn this isn't how to show people that aspect of it.
Also, not to say I don't see the value in apps like these: I absolutely do, they are there for women to protect themselves. I would suspect the number of women misusing it is in the minority and the majority use it appropriately.
Whereas a similar app for men? Those are almost instantly used for things like Revenge Porn. Men are not going to win this battle and prove they are better than women in this regard because the men who would misuse such an app are solidly in the majority. Basically the complete opposite. Events like this prove it.
Anyway, fuck 4chan misogynist freaks.
Men are not going to win this battle and prove they are better than women in this regard because the men who would misuse such an app are solidly in the majority.
I think there’s also a lot of confirmation bias, in the sense that you need to consider why people would seek out such an app. Why would women seek out a women-only app? And inversely, why would men seek out a men-only app? The answer to each will be fundamentally different, which means the user bases will be fundamentally different as well.
Basically, what types of women would go out of their way to engage with a women-only app? Chances are good that the average woman has probably had the thought before, and is doing so to try and stay safe. The active engagement is seen as a positive thing, and she’s willing to jump through a few hoops (like uploading a photo ID) to get there.
Now imagine the inverse. Most guys probably wouldn’t even think of using a men-only app for safety reasons. Like it’s not even on their radar, because safety while dating isn’t something they’re concerned with. Most men probably wouldn’t think of seeking out a men-only app at all. So the pool of men who would be willing to go out of their way to engage with a men-only app is going to look vastly different. The average user likely won’t reflect the average man, because the average man wouldn’t even think to seek out a men-only app. Or if he does, he doesn’t feel strongly enough about it to jump through any hoops to engage. It means the average user would most likely be one of the extremely toxic manosphere/men’s rights advocate/creep/etc stereotypes instead.
To be clear, this isn’t a “not all men” post. Because the reality is that it’s certainly enough men to be concerning. My point is simply that the confirmation bias will be a large factor in whether or not the user base actually reflects the average person.
It’s basically the same way the average Lemmy user doesn’t reflect the average person. If you looked at the average Lemmy user and tried to print that into society, you’d expect the average person to be a Linux-using communist programmer.
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This is for all men and women, not broken down by different factors.
When an average is taken of all the elections, men average 43.67% for Democrat and 50% for Republican for a 6.33% difference. I do also think it's notable that in only one election since 2000 has the support for Republican candidates from men been under 50%, that's 48% for McCain in 2008. I honestly think the voting patterns from the 90's are gone and so while I included those in the averages, I think just touching on votes since 2000 gives a clearer picture with the average for men supporting the Democratic candidate at 44.14% and support for the Republican candidate at 52.58% for an 8.44% difference. That's still a large spread when we're talking the total number of men who vote at all. Somewhere around the size of the entire city of Los Angeles in terms of population.
I mean...
Looking at mic_check's figures...
Lets say we are just talking straight, hetero people.
We got all straight men at 43:55 Dem to Rep, thats a 22% higher chance of a woman randomly picking a Rep instead of a Dem.
Meanwhile you can just, as a woman who is looking into dating a man...
Just pick a random, single, never married dude.
Bam!, now its 61:37 Dem to Rep, a 65% higher chance a random, never married dude will be a Dem than a Rep.
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We are talking about these stats in the context of dating, right?
Where people like, talk, get to know each other?
Not just being randomly assigned partners from a slot machine?
Do dating apps not like, allow you to filter by something like this, or... talk/chat to a person, and ask them questions before you meet them...?
Its kind of silly to paint individual people with a broadly accurate brush... when the ostensible whole point is to get to know a person individually.
Sure, use broad stats to form a broadly accurate general worldview, but realize its limitations.
Disclaimer: Please consider this a sort of fork of your discussion so far, I only mean to say anything about the parts of your comment I actually reference.
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Why would women seek out a women-only app? And inversely, why would men seek out a men-only app? The answer to each will be fundamentally different, which means the user bases will be fundamentally different as well.
To a significant degree, yes, but I think you are overstating that degree.
Tea is imo more like a gossip app, ala Nextdoor, just specific to dating.
Tea isn't a dating app, it is... I guess you could call it ... dating-app-meta-review app, from a technically minded standpoint?
A supplement to a (or many) dating app(s).
~~But it doesn't actually directly link to~~
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It is named 'tea', as in gossiping, the deets, the low down, the real story, etc.
Literally this is their own marketing:
It is literally just a replacement for Facebook 'Are we dating the same guy' groups, but better, if you pay, because the Premium account allows you to run background / criminal / sex offender records.
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So, a rough equivalent for guys would probably be named something like MPH, officially Miles Per Hour, unofficially, Miles Per Hoe, I dunno, something edgy for the manosphere crowd, where guys would gossip about cheating girls/women, and also be able to run background checks on them for a premium.
I can guarantee you that men would be broadly interested in such an app if it existed.
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Now imagine the inverse. Most guys probably wouldn’t even think of using a men-only app for safety reasons. Like it’s not even on their radar, because safety while dating isn’t something they’re concerned with.
Maybe not as much in the safety sense of immediate physical danger, but absolutely in the sense of... is this person financially abusive, emotionally manipulative, do they have kids, or a massive amount of debt/bad spending habits, an STI, etc, that they don't mention untill they've been dating you for some time, do they have a history of acting like they're committed when they've in the past cheated whilst acting like they were monogamous?
These kinds of things apply to both men and women, and are far more common to occur in a dating/relationship than physical abuse.
Yes, women are more likely to be the victim of physical or sexual violence or stalking...
But its not like this doesn't happen to men.
I can personally tell you that I, a guy, have been so lucky as to have had all three of those happen to me, done by women.
But lets not just use myself as an anecdote, here are the stats on that from the CDC, last updated before the Trump Admin got into power, doesn't look like they've fucked with this page.
cdc.gov/intimate-partner-viole…
IPV is common. It affects millions of people in the United States each year. Data from CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) indicate:1About 41% of women and 26% of men experienced contact sexual violence, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner during their lifetime and reported a related impact.
Over 61 million women and 53 million men have experienced psychological aggression by an intimate partner in their lifetime.
We could quibble about the exact stats of what sex/gender the partner was, and they do cite some studies directly, but uh, oversimplifying to pretend only heterosexuality exists...
About half as many men have been seriously, violently victimized or stalked as women, and I'd be willing to bet the psychological abuse numbers are at least a bit closer to equal if you account for men being unwilling to admit to being victimized in that way due to internalized machismo, 'shut up and deal with it', whatever you want to call it.
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Point of me saying all this is to throw numbers toward countering your claim here:
Most men probably wouldn’t think of seeking out a men-only app at all. So the pool of men who would be willing to go out of their way to engage with a men-only app is going to look vastly different. The average user likely won’t reflect the average man, because the average man wouldn’t even think to seek out a men-only app.
I agree that it wouldn't represent the average man, but we've got a potential user pool of 50+ million men in the US who've been through a bad relationship and would probably also not want to go through that again.
Again, yes it is absolutely true that women more often experience a more severe form of relationship than men, no argument there.
But I don't think you can just say that a man version of tea would only appeal to blackpilled manosphere men.
Yes, that would likely be a large proportion of the user base, but there are tons of men who are not misogynists and also would like to avoid being played or abused.
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Also, uh:
You say that,
The active engagement is seen as a positive thing, and she’s willing to jump through a few hoops (like uploading a photo ID) to get there.
But what I am seeing is:
To access Tea, women have to verify their gender by submitting a selfie, which is then verified by the app’s team.
fastcompany.com/91374409/every…
The rest of that quote is that the picture is 'verified by the Tea team', but I think we both know that almost certainly means they just use an AI face scanning tool.
Anyway, point is: taking a selfie is a way, way lower bar to entry than taking a picture of your driver's liscense... basically every dating app already does the former, this is totally normal now, whereas the latter is... so uncommon I cannot think of an example.
So....taking a selfie is not that much of a trifle, not a strong potential blocker, for a guy who's already used a dating app in the last 5 ish years.
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EDIT 2:
Occured to me on reviewing this:
... Yeah, an AI face recognition to verify gender?
How... does that work for trans folks, or even probably just non white women, and are women who are maybe bald or have more typically masculine coded shorter hair cuts, with less stereotypically/heuristically feminine facial features?
AI has fucked up this kinda shit in the past quite badly.
About Intimate Partner Violence
This page defines intimate partner violence, presents the latest data and describes outcomes.Intimate Partner Violence Prevention
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I would suspect the number of women misusing it is in the minority and the majority use it appropriately.
Well just look at Facebook groups that are dedicated to the same sort of thing and see how catty they get. You know the types that decide that just because a man they have never seen before is in the neighbourhood he's clearly up to no good when he's probably just delivering parcels.
Anyway it doesn't matter if 90% were legitimate and 10% not. They are still defaming people, with no opportunity for those people to correct the record. Anyway I am a much more cynical person, mostly through experience of working in customer service, and I think it's probably more like 50/50.
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The only site I ever felt comfortable scanning shit like that into was a site that sold things only to military/medics/fire fighters so I had to upload my medic license and my FF cert.
Anything beyond that is a no go from me.
To be fair, I’m not sure why firebase even has a public access option. That’s a recipe for issues.
Though if it’s anything like Google Cloud Store, they hopefully make it very clear that your bucket is public.
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I honestly don't understand what op is talking about.
Leaks happen all the time, even in billion dollar companies.
Their comment is the equivalent like, "This is why you should lock your doors!" Like uh okay.
This situation would have been easily preventable with basic understanding of what they're doing is what OP is saying. This leak is not something highly complex, it is painfully stupid on the side of the developers.
There's a difference between a hack, where data is exposed, compared to data exposure due to negligence or ignorance on the development side.
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Where I'm from there's certificates a company can get, that confirm a certain level of process and IT security. Also a company existing for at least 5-10 years without incidents is a "vetted" company in my books. At least anything that managed to produce a working IT system before 2021 when AI came around.
I also believe there's a bit of bad wording going on with the original comment. Take it up with that guy, lol.
This was more like leaving all your valuables in a cardboard box on your front lawn. Anyone can just take it, if they care to look inside the complete unsecured box.
Someone just drove up and tossed the box in their truck. No lock involved.
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This is something I worry about all the time as well, especially since I've started to learn how to code and experienced how easy it is to mess up and send a list with all registered users to everyone opening a page. (This was in a test environment.)
As a user, there is no proper way I know of to verify an app's security. Most apps are closed source, but even if you could view the code, what would you look for?
Both Apple and Google have a verification process for apps that are published in their app stores, but if these worked, we wouldn't see this happening.
There are academic researchers working on apps and privacy as well, but it's not like you can ask them for a report on an app you're thinking of installing.
I think it basically comes down to trust. Check if a developer has messed up in the past and how they dealt with that, that sort of stuff. And for dating apps there is this interesting article: privacyguides.org/articles/202…
It's a long read (haven't fully read it myself yet) and it paints a bleak picture, but that's the world we live in today.
Queer Dating Apps: Beware Who You Trust With Your Intimate Data
At the intersection of data privacy and LGBTQ+ experiences, it's inevitable to talk about queer dating apps. Unfortunately, most are horrible for data privacy.Privacy Guides
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Now now, I like to shit on vibecoders too but let’s not pretend this is some new problem.
Idiots leave databases on cloud servers exposed all the time rather than deal with their companies often arcane rules for generating certificates
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Where do you think the AI learned it?
Like, I get that competent coders do it too, but now any skiddie with an idea can cosplay as a developer so this is going to be so much more prevelant
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Missouri will not prosecute 'hacker' reporter for daring to view state website HTML
Missouri's governor was both criticized and mocked for saying the journalist "decoded HTML source code" for malicious purposes.Charlie Osborne (ZDNET)
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Technically the act passed in 2023 under the Sunak government.
That said; I can't seem to find a vote breakdown and I would not be at all surprised if labour also backed it.
I'm hoping enough public dissatisfaction leads to labour repealing it but I won't hold my breath.
Wow that was fast.
I did not even know this app existed untill about 8 hours ago.
Already comprimised.
EDIT: Also, lol, this arguably is not even largely a hack.
These idiots just had everything stored in a fucking publically accesible firebase bucket... amazing.
They didn't delete anything they claimed to.
Either way you look at it, anywhere on the spectrum from:
A ] A bunch of women reasonably concerned for their safety
B ] A bunch of gossip mongers
... well, they've now all been doxxed, ironic from each angle.
What a fucking disaster.
if that’s truly how the leak happened then these people, in any reasonable jurisdiction, would be considered criminally negligent, at the least.
yay compsci ethics courses 😁
boo courts failing to uphold the law >🙁
this arguably is not even largely a hack.
While I agree in principle, I think we should still call it a hack. As in "to gain illegal access to (a computer network, system, etc.)" as Merriam-Webster puts it. It shouldn't be legal to do do this just because the website had horrible (non-existent) security. You shouldn't be allowed to rob a house just because the door wasn't locked.
Protecting our users' privacy and data is our highest priority. We are taking every necessary step to ensure the security of our platform
Since sensitive data was put on a public bucket, maybe they meant it was their lowest priority?
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At first I was going to call bullshit because I thought you were exaggerating and being ridiculous.
Nope. That's the app. "Anonymous" sharing of pictures and info of other people. Presumably without their permission. That's fucked up.
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Yeah. I mean, I get it. The concept of the app makes sense. And I would be that, on average, it is/would be used for good.
On the other hand, as a guy, the idea that people are out there sharing reviews of me as a person on the open internet, and I have no way of knowing this, is deeply unsettling. Like, I haven't done anything wrong - just the whole concept feels very gross.
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My problem is how it's implemented.
An app where you simply post a name and a location, and then people can DM you with their experiences directly, would be a lot less invasive.
Sucks it's necessary.
You want women to not just assume youre an insane violent rape monster? Shit like this is how we know. Edit: the women who used this app were the ones who didn't want to asdume you were all subhuman filth, who wanted to protect themselves from the 'few bad apples' without doing splash damage, as they saw it, to the rest of you. And it looks like those naive idiots got proven wrong. There is no way to be safe as a woman or woman categorized person wirh men in your life, except for rare and astounding luck.
Or you could, like, fix your entire gender; idk. I'm still going to hate all of you.
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I kniw right? Its pretty fucked, but sometimes belief that people, or even men, are mostly good gets you raped or crawling through a puddle of your own blood with fewer than four functioning limbs.
Cynical bitches like me though; we tend to make it out.
as a woman or woman categorized person
Can't tell if you're being transphobic to trans femmes or supportive to femme leaning enbies.
If I wasn't participating in good faith I would've just assumed you were saying something transphobic from the start, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Then I said you sounded like you meant the positive (not the negative) of the two things I thought you meant and you said you didn't mean that. So... I'm not sure how you think I'm not participating in good faith when I did all that. Even now I'm not writing you off as a monster, I'm willing to hear what you have to say. I'm waiting for you to tell me what you meant, but you're just being vague and refusing.
I don't know what's more good faith than giving you two benefits of the doubt and willing to give a third if you'd just explain.
said didn't mean that
Confident I said no such thing. Cite me doing that. Dont actually, i just didn't, but go look at why you think that.
if you'd just explain
Read what i wrote. Or my explanation of it. I feel like i was as thorough as i could be without being condescending.
good faith and
Shame i didn't write anything after the clause
entire thread of howling misogynist shit heads glad a bunch of women got doxxed
I'm just about done with this fucking place and im done going out of my way to explain myself to people who arent making any effort to understand. Communication has two sides, i cannot hold up yours, and i don't need the internet to talk to myself-an activity that offers more gratification and novelty, while costing far less disillusionment and alienation.
benefit of the doubt
Think of me what you will. Hell, accuse me of being the spawn of robert galbraith and adolf hitler. I have very few fucks left to give about this place.
done
Damn. Seems i said that too early. But i feel like I'm done now.
Communication has two sides, i cannot hold up yours
I feel I've communicated well. You keep not explaining what you meant. I want to know. But you're refusing to tell me.
This was your explanation.
Well im talking about external interpretation of ones identity rather than one's intended expression, so you figure it out. Or don't.
I'm good faith, I assumed the best by saying this.
I'd say that's supportive of femme leaning enbies rather than transphobic towards trans women.
Rather than agree with me, you said this and refused to elaborate, going so far as to tell me to interpret as I like. When I only have two possible interpretations, one positive and one negative, I don't know what else you'd want me take away other than the negative.
There are other things it could be. Interperet as you like.
So I clarified, in good faith, it you meant the negative thing.
Wait, so you are being transphobic?
You were vague and refused to give any explanation. I thought it might be two things. When I asked if it was one of them, your response seems to heavily imply it wasn't that one, but refuse to give whatever third thing it might be.
That was one of the things you proposed. Im suggesting there are other potential meanings, that you did not propose. i will not be explaining what i do mean any farther than i have
So... What is it? Because you're saying that I am "not making an effort to understand" when I am in fact bending over backwards to give you benefit of the doubt and understand what you mean. You say communication has two sides and you're done trying to uphold mine when I am desperately seeking clarification on what you said but you just refuse to provide it.
I'm just about done with this fucking place and im done going out of my way to explain myself to people who arent making any effort to understand. Communication has two sides, i cannot hold up yours
What have I missed?
I think it depends on people's intent and purpose for using this service. I'm overall not a fan of someone taking and sharing pictures of me without my consent, or making claims that can't be defended...
The group of women legitimately using it for safety is fine, in a general sense.
The group of women using it as gossip and entertainment is not.
It promotes safety, but at the same time it promotes some toxicity in relationships. What would you think if you knew that if your got into a disagreement with your partner that you could end up posted on this app, without any way of arguing back?
Maybe I'm just getting old, but the idea of "verifying" my real identity to a faceless website or mobile app is abhorrent.
I guess it doesn't help that governments in some countries (UK, Australia that I know of) are encouraging this bullshit with Trojan horse laws claiming to protect children from adult websites / social media.
Can't help but think there is also an element of pot meet kettle here, when users of an app designed to dox and slander people without their knowledge are now the ones getting doxxed themselves.
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How does having my fingerprint prove my age.
The issue is, at some point, they have to connect your "digital you" to your self as a real person, after that they can track you, keep tabs on you. If that data was ever stolen, or a corrupt government rose to power, you're really screwed.
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Plus the whole moral aspect of such an app. While I agree that women have been mostly objectified their whole existence, this doesn’t help anyone.
We need to get rid of both superficial way of looking at each other ( women: seeking mostly young, beautiful, rich yes men, men: seeking perfect body, face, housewife stereotypes). Both mindsets are equally trash.
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If by "personal information" you mean sharing their experiences with certain people ... Yeah I guess.
They weren't sharing addresses and social security numbers or drivers license numbers or other things that would lead to identity theft.
How can you not have sympathy for these women getting doxxed because they wanted to help create a safer space for one another and to help each other out? That's wild.
This is far from turnabout, this is abuse.
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Oh my god that's... So stupid, i hate this time line.
Dirty water that would behave no different if you sifted out the proteins.
The replies in this thread are disturbing, giving me a sense that Lemmy has a misogyny problem; maybe I was naïve, but I expected outrage about 4chan doxxing women trying to protect one another, instead I see lots of revenge enjoyment as if being doxxed on 4chan is justice for ... warning one another about dangerous men they encounter when dating?
The inability to empathize and take seriously the threats posed to women or to understand their motivation to protect one another is alarming.
There is no good faith extended, but also no evidence presented that instead of safety the app was just for gossip, it's just taken as assumed that women are wrong for using Tea and they all deserve to be doxxed.
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Your comment was on top for me in my app, so I was like "oh how bad could it be.". Holy shit you're not wrong, there's some disgusting comments that are getting voted up.
I'm low-key disappointed and appalled by these community members who believe these women "deserve" it for ... Trying to help each other be safer?
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saw this happening here, saw it happening in reddit threads on the topic, saw it all over the media cycle in the comments.
i agree, people’s visceral backlash against this app is steeped in a deep misogyny. most of these comments have a vapid absence of any sort of even basic recognition towards these women as people. talking about them like they’re abstract figures or test subjects up in here.
watching people take somewhat valid privacy concerns as an excuse to let loose their most toxic feelings towards women used to be the sort of thing only losers or emboldened megalomaniacs did in public, even just a decade ago.
in the past years i’ve just seen all my peers, regardless of political affiliation, manipulated into a cult of outrage that serves as another hamster wheel upon which capital may spin.
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Let's say a vile, manipulative, entitled woman went on a Tinder date with a guy. He insists on splitting the bill rather than paying for her food. She feels insulted.
She then takes to Tea and her local Are We Dating The Same Guy Facebook group, slanders him with false accusations that he tried to sexually assault her, then posts his Tinder, Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn profiles online. Suddenly he's being ostracized, receiving nasty messages and even loses his job from women bombarding his employer with negative phone calls, emails and comments about him.
Men have had their lives ruined by false allegations posted to AWDTSG communities before. But opposing the existence of these platforms is "misogyny", apparently.
This is a strawman argument, though. Sure, that can and does happen, but it isn't the existence of spaces like Tea that is problematic, it is the holistic relationship between men and women in our society, generally. Further, I'm clearly not saying opposing Tea is inherently misogyny. It is a very particular kind of reaction that I am talking about, and you know this.
Tea itself really isn't any worse than any other forum. You could have the same thing happen to a man on other platforms, there is nothing unique about Tea in that capacity and it is disingenuous to levy that criticism against the platform in isolation. People dislike it because they have a weird caricature of women in their head and assume every person on this app must have been a gossip or an evil person, yet there is no real basis for that claim other than the fact the audience is mainly women. Hence, the "misogyny," that you seem to not really have the prior life experience to see. You can look through my profile here. I've said plenty in support of men's rights and men's issues as well, I'm really not rabidly in coalition for a particular gender's rights or anything. I'm just calling it as I see it and the reaction to Tea on the web is largely sexist.
No one said false accusations aren't real or that opposing them makes you a misogynist. You're being intentionally obtuse and conflating a critique of people's treatment of women in public discourse with a critique of apps such as these generally to make it seem absurd to point out how sexist some of the reaction to Tea has been. Mostly because I think you saw the word "misogyny" thrown out and for some reason took it as a personal insult or something. I think most people would reflect upon that and I'd hope you would too.
I probably won't further respond because I'm getting the idea honest discourse and dialectic isn't your goal here.
The app enables the photos to be run through a reverse image search, enabling them to run a basic background check, check against public sex offender databases, and check for photos that might get flagged as being used in “catfishing” — misrepresenting one’s identity online.The app also features a “Tea Party Group Chat,” which allows users to directly share information about men, and has a rating function, which allows users to share their experiences with Yelp-style reviews, awarding men a “green flag” or a “red flag.”
cnn.com/2025/07/25/us/tea-app-…
It's a bit like Rate My Professor, but for dating.
Honestly I cyncially expect this kind of app might inevitably exist for rating people of all genders (or that dating apps might incorporate this Uber-style rating system), but the reason this app exists has directly to do with the violence women face from intimate partners.
The point is that men who are enjoying the doxxing of women who have used this app are ignoring the context, or even have a warped sense of the context, as if this is narrowly about (legitimate) privacy concerns and the harms caused by the app.
Even if the concerns about the app are justified, the revenge enjoyment betrays a view much harder to defend, that all the women who used the app are equally cupable, or that doxxing women using the app is equivalent to women doxxing abusive men through the app.
Men are not all equally privileged, but there is a broad inequality both to how violence is distributed and how that plays out in dating situations. Women are not wrong to fear men. One in three women have experienced sexual or physical violence, most of that violence being perpetuated by men.
Since this is the context for the use of this app, it's not neutral to doxx its users or to claim it's fair because men feel (legitimate) concerns about the app's privacy violations.
Facts and figures: Ending violence against women | UN Women – Headquarters
The availability of data on violence against women and girls has improved considerably in recent years and data on the prevalence of intimate partner violence is now available for at least 161 countries.UN Women – Headquarters
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I agree 100% that women face many more dangers especially in the dating scene than men. I'm all for having resources available for them to remain as safe as possible.
I don't see how a Rate My Professor type app would work well for dates. I feel like people would only spend the time to rate poor dates. If you had a really good date with someone, you would presumably start dating them so why would you let everyone else know they are a good person to go out with? I have no doubt there are some awful people out there that others should be warned about, but this type of app is a bit too risky to justify that in my opinion.
The background check feature sounds much more legit, but I don't think a group chat feature needs to exist along side it.
All that being said, anyone enjoying the doxxing of others is just an asshole. There's definitely nothing fair about it from either side.
yeah, the app has obvious flaws, and the Rate My Professor style approach succeeds or fails depending on the quality of the users and moderators, and could easily be useless or become toxic - either way, I'm not defending this aspect of the app, it's clearly problematic.
Regardless I understand why women would want a resource like this, and that doesn't seem true for those in the comments who see the doxxing as deserved for using this app.
Nevermind the rest of the context, like 4chan being a bastion of right-wing, misogynist trolls who would target an app like this for political reasons.
Lemmy users approving 4chan doxxing women is a major red flag ... it might have something to do with how many Lemmy users come here due to being banned for their behavior on Reddit. Reddit isn't sending their best and brightest, and it shows. (This is just my speculation, though.)
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There is some of that happening, like when women get together and discuss how they're being treated it's "gossip" and implied as immoral.
I think some men might read what you've said and think you are denying any toxic gossip exists, it's important to have nuance and not alienate men who otherwise would be allies, but I think overall your point is well taken.
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Say a woman breaks up with a man for petty reasons, like the guy switching the channel on TV, or even the other way around.
And she decides to make up reprehensible shit about him on that app.
He essentialy becomes undatable, and he does not know why.
Ok fine. Dark Voice "Sacrifice the men! It's for the greater good!"
Though I am unironically anti-natalist, and misanthropic, so everyone being single (or well, gay/lesbian) is fine with me personally.
Ok fine. Dark Voice "Sacrifice the men! It's for the greater good!"
Do you really think that's the alternative here?
I can't tell if you're putting on a bit based on your username or something...
I'm also Misanthropic and so done with society. I don't have the same stakes in it as everyone else.
I understand why women have to do what they have to, and someone must lose here. To prevent horrible cases of rape and abuse, some innocent men will have to be rendered undatable.
On top of that, dating will become a lot like how job searches are nowadays. Have a gap in your err...dating resume? Something is wrong with you, no date.
A wise thing to do is for men to have their own "Tea" type of app to balance things out. I see no reason not to.
The best advice of course, is to just not date. Whether we like it or not, there are too many people, and they have been irrevocably damaged by pollution, trauma, and poor education practices.
Few of us are wanted in this world (and I don't just mean romantically, and I don't just mean men). When there is too many of us, we behave like locusts, devouring everything. The solution is stop pumping out babies, consuming useless products, or feeling enitled to other's things. This world does not want you, and you should not want it either
I have meet so so so many broken people who have to suffer through no fault of their own, and I had to play the part of support to them. Because really, no one else gave a damn.
You are a truly disgusting species. If there was something to define evil by, it would be the opposite of good. There are many types of good, and humans somehow manage to run counter to it. But the worst thing they do, is betray and cannibalize their own kind.
If you don't want to be kind, don't want to pay taxes, don't want to include others, then you don't fucking deserve it either. It is a choice that can be made at any time, yet so many refuse, can't even wrap their heads around it.
You can be child-free and still be married. Anyway.
A wise thing to do is for men to have their own "Tea" type of app to balance things out. I see no reason not to.
This would probably be an equal breach of privacy for less gain.
Female Tea (if used properly) is about protecting women from being abused.
Male Tea would probably be more about flagging girls that want expensive dates and don't put out.
Like, sure, go ahead. Have a male Tea app. But the stakes are not the same.
Tea could easily be used for two extremely different purposes:
- Legitimate use to inform and protect women from abusive men
- Illegitimate use to spread misinformation (libel!) about men with no verification of truth or reasonable appeal process
The idea of Tea isn't bad-- I've thought about the potential utility of similar apps myself-- but most people who are reacting badly are recognizing that it's a nearly impossible moderation problem that will be used for bad things too.
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of course, the app has obvious problems, but I don't see that as justifying the gloating and sense of revenge enjoyment happening.
Instead I see a kind of discontent about women I find concerning, which seems ignorant of the widespread violence women experience or what it's like for women who take risks when dating men.
Men are not all equally problematic or privileged, but they are generally in a position of power relative to women and are acting like the victims here.
They should direct their discontent to patriarchy which creates the situation where violence against women is dismissed or accepted, and which motivates women to use apps to check if the person they are dating has a history of violent behavior.
Patriarchy which perpetuates the narrative that men are natural predators and women natural prey is what victimizes men here, not the women who rightfully fear and feel victimized by the minority of men who are violent.
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I think you are misunderstanding why people are upset.
It's horrible that these women were doxxed.
It's also horrible that a subset of women were doxxing men, which is what brought this negative attention to the site.
Misogyny is real in our society, misandry is real.
Saying things happen for sexist reasons when it was for a logical reason does a disservice to movements that seek equality.
The internet also cheered on the 4chan PII leak that happened recently, not becauase it's a male dominant space, but because they do shitty things like dox people.
The need for it was not part of my point. The point was a gender flipped app would of course cause some outrage. Immediately there would be people cry "it's just for doxxing, stalking and revenge porn".
But to engage in some good Faith dialoige. Are some men concerned for their safety, yes.
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I don't quite understand the outrage in the thread. I've been looking through the comments, trying to see if this ever went beyond gossip and I can't find anything.
From my understanding the app was intended to be a safe space for women to discuss dating. Relaying information about dangerous individuals, or people who cheat. I can imagine that things might have gotten slightly out of hand in regards to anonymous gossip, but is that anything compared to being doxxed? Besides, women, and men have been gossiping behind each others backs for as long as humans have existed. An anonymous app makes it significantly worse certainly, but it is what it is. This behavior is always going to exist for better or for worse. For example, people already discuss this on sites like fetlife since the risk of ending up with someone who wants to batter you for the sake of battering you is somewhat high there.
Surely we can have some sympathy for people who have had their identifications doxxed by 4chan who haven't done anything worse than a bit of toxic gossip at most?
you're right as far it's intentions go. I honestly couldn't give a rats ass about what it intended to do what I have a MASSIVE issue with is that it did the EXACT opposite of what it "intended to do."
It didn't provide Women with a "safe space" because women's government issued IDs and their personal selfies were, quite literally, OUT IN THE OPEN. It opened Women who used the app to way more harm.
Their database, and i'm being extremely generous when I call it that, wasn't even password protected. not even a simple plain text password like "password123" there was NO password. at all. period. All I would have had to do was simply see where the app sent the scanned ID's, open a terminal, SSH into it WITHOUT A PASSWORD OR KEY, and then I now have access to the IDs of over 13,000 Women. Hell I probably wouldn't have even had to SSH into it, probably could have opened the damn thing from a web browser.
So when the media is saying 4chan "leaked" this stuff again they're being generous. It's like if you were walking down the street that Tea lived on and you noticed they left their door wide open so you decided to peak your head inside and while peaking your head in you noticed a box right by the door that had thousands of IDs in it so you picked up the box and walked out. Chances are other people got to this box before 4chan did, many people probably did, it's just that 4chan were the only ones to say "Hey I found this house with a wide open door and decided to pick up this box with all these IDs in it, neat huh?"
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I can't open the article, but I think I read that this was hosted on an unprotected bucket. Assuming that's correct I wouldn't say this was a breach. A better headline would be "Women dating safety app 'Tea' exposed women's PII".
To be 100% clear, I'm not excusing the hackers. I don't believe it's morally correct to publicize something because it is exposed. For folks curious about that you can look into how to ethically disclose vulnerabilities. I still view this as doxxing. I still believe what the hackers did should be a criminal offense, it's just that I also believe the app holds a ton of the blame as well. How can you proclaim to be about keeping women safe while putting them at risk? That should be punished as well.
Like if the storage facility you trusted to hold your stuff never had locks on the doors, shouldn't they take a lot of the blame as well as the thief who found out a door was unlocked?
One of the definitions of hacking is illegally gaining access to a computer system. It doesn't need to involve any sort of exploit. Stealing from an unlocked home is still stealing. Gaining access to a system by phishing is still hacking. Leaking data that is technically publicly accessible that isn't meant to be publicly accessible is still hacking.
Not that I suspect anything good from 4chan but the proper thing to do would be to disclose to Tea that their data is public and allow them to fix the problem. The ethics of vulnerability disclosure still apply when the vulnerability is "hey you literally didn't secure this at all."
Tea is the offshoot of all those "Are We Dating The Same Guy" Facebook groups where ladies gossip, talk shit, slander and creep-shame guys they went on dates with, sometimes throwing around false accusations maliciously to get men ostracized.
On one hand, damn these groups are toxic as fuck and that makes me feel a lot less sympathetic. But on the other hand, this is a textbook argument for why mandatory age verification laws need to be abolished. AWDTSG works as a way to keep women safe when it's used as intended but there are too many women that will slander men with false allegations purely out of spite.
Right, because only women are the problem, and men are paragons of virtue.
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Women Dating Safety App 'Tea' Breached, Users' IDs Posted to 4chan | 404 Media
Women Dating Safety App 'Tea' Breached, Users' IDs Posted to 4chan
“DRIVERS LICENSES AND FACE PICS! GET THE FUCK IN HERE BEFORE THEY SHUT IT DOWN!” the thread read before being deleted.Emanuel Maiberg (404 Media)
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If that is a concern for you then you should also look into blocking other mass-scanning services as well, like Shodan.
I know there are plenty of others as well, I would imagine someone somewhere has a list of services like that.
I mean, you can, or you can use it to assure your firewall is configured correctly. The entire Internet is scanning you at all times, why would you focus your attention on one of the services who is willing to share their results with you?
Believe me, you probably have lower hanging fruit to pick.
Kafka e l’umorismo assurdo: il riso amaro tra alienazione e burocrazia
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- Quando il riso si fa amaro e profondo
- L’assurdità come fondamento dell’umorismo kafkiano
- La burocrazia oppressiva e il riso della resa
- Il grottesco e la deformazione del reale attraverso la metamorfosi del riso
- Situazioni imbarazzanti e l’umorismo della vergogna
- Un meccanismo di difesa contro l’angoscia
- L’umorismo come lente per la condizione umana
- Kafka e Pirandello – affinità nel riso che fa pensare?
- L’umorismo Kafkiano in breve
Quando il riso si fa amaro e profondo
L’umorismo di Franz Kafka non fa ridere nel senso tradizionale del termine. Non suscita una risata fragorosa né una comicità immediata: piuttosto, si insinua sotto pelle, come un’inquietudine che si maschera da sorriso. Parlare di umorismo tragico in Kafka significa avvicinarsi a una forma di riso che nasce dall’assurdo e dallo straniamento, in un universo in cui le regole sembrano scritte da una logica sconosciuta. L’umorismo di Kafka è dunque un umorismo che oscilla tra il grottesco e il tragico, che emerge dalla tensione fra il desiderio di comprensione e l’ineluttabile incomprensibilità del mondo. Questo riso amaro non è evasione, ma uno strumento sottile di consapevolezza. Capire perché l’umorismo in Kafka risulti così disturbante significa riconoscere la sua funzione: trasformare l’assurdo in una lente con cui osservare le contraddizioni dell’esistenza. Kafka porta il lettore a confrontarsi con l’insensatezza attraverso un umorismo assurdo che non consola, ma interroga. Così, nella tensione fra comicità e angoscia, si apre un varco per riflettere sulla condizione umana.
L’assurdità come fondamento dell’umorismo kafkiano
In Kafka, l’assurdo non è un’eccezione narrativa, ma il tessuto stesso del reale. Le sue opere sono costruite su una logica interna che appare del tutto illogica: uomini arrestati senza motivo, impiegati che inseguono autorità irraggiungibili, creature che si trasformano inspiegabilmente. L’assurdità nelle opere di Kafka non è solo una cifra stilistica: è un modo per mostrare come la realtà, se osservata senza filtri consolatori, possa risultare spietatamente incoerente. In questo contesto, il mondo incomprensibile di Kafka si popola di personaggi che cercano risposte, ma si scontrano con un muro di silenzi e procedure vuote. È in questa frizione che si genera l’umorismo assurdo: ridiamo, non perché qualcosa sia oggettivamente comico, ma perché ci troviamo davanti a un destino ineluttabile governato da regole che sfuggono a ogni logica umana.
La logica illogica di Kafka amplifica la nostra sensazione di alienazione. Ed è proprio questa alienazione, così spinta da diventare caricaturale, che apre la porta a una forma di riso paradossale. L’alienazione e l’umorismo in Kafka si fondono in una risata che nasce dall’impotenza, dal riconoscere nei suoi personaggi una parte della nostra stessa lotta per dare senso a un mondo che sembra fatto apposta per negarci risposte. L’assurdo, così, non è solo angoscia: è anche lo specchio deformante attraverso cui Kafka ci invita a guardarci con occhi nuovi — e a ridere, amaramente, della nostra condizione.
La burocrazia oppressiva e il riso della resa
In Kafka, la burocrazia non è solo un apparato amministrativo: è un’entità quasi metafisica, opaca e onnipresente, che schiaccia i singoli individui con la sua mole incomprensibile. Nei romanzi come Il Processo e Il Castello, i protagonisti sono immersi in labirinti di regole e formalità che non comprendono e da cui non possono uscire. L’umorismo della burocrazia in Kafka nasce proprio da questo scarto tra la precisione delle procedure e l’assenza totale di senso. K., il protagonista de Il Castello, cerca invano di ottenere spiegazioni da funzionari che non compaiono mai o parlano per allusioni; Josef K., ne Il Processo, è trascinato in un sistema giudiziario che lo accusa senza mai dirgli il motivo. Di fronte a queste strutture opprimenti, l’unica possibilità di sopravvivenza diventa il riso: un riso della resa, disilluso ma necessario.
In questo contesto, l’umorismo nero legale che Kafka costruisce ha un potere singolare: trasforma il tragico in paradossale, l’ingiustizia in grottesca comicità. L’oppressione e l’umorismo in Kafka si nutrono a vicenda, dando forma a una narrazione in cui la comicità è una crepa nel muro dell’assurdo. I dettagli minuziosi con cui Kafka descrive timbri, documenti, ordini e sottoposti che si rimandano tra loro creano un effetto comico solo in apparenza leggero, che in realtà scava a fondo nell’angoscia del vivere. È proprio il processo kafkiano a mostrarci come la precisione delle parole possa diventare un’arma spuntata, e come l’umorismo kafkiano fiorisca nei punti in cui il linguaggio si frantuma contro la realtà inafferrabile del potere.
Il grottesco e la deformazione del reale attraverso la metamorfosi del riso
In Kafka, l’umorismo assurdo si manifesta spesso attraverso il grottesco: una deformazione improvvisa e inquietante della realtà che produce un effetto tanto comico quanto disturbante. L’esempio più emblematico è La Metamorfosi, dove Gregor Samsa si sveglia trasformato in un “enorme insetto immondo” – un evento che viene narrato con una naturalezza disarmante. Non c’è stupore né da parte del protagonista, né dei familiari: tutto si svolge in un tono apparentemente neutro, che accentua il carattere grottesco e tragicamente comico della vicenda. Questo è l’umorismo ne “La Metamorfosi” – un riso che nasce dal paradosso di trattare l’incredibile come se fosse quotidiano.
I personaggi grotteschi di Kafka, come Gregor o i funzionari labirintici de Il Castello, incarnano una comicità della deformazione: non sono caricature comiche in senso classico, ma figure deformate dall’assurdo, vittime di un mondo che li plasma secondo logiche inumane. La trasformazione grottesca diventa allora simbolo dell’alienazione, della perdita di identità, e paradossalmente anche di una comicità amara e tagliente. In questo contesto, l’umorismo kafkiano non consola, ma disvela: ci costringe a ridere mentre ci mostra l’orrore di una realtà insensata.
Kafka sembra dirci che il riso può scaturire anche laddove l’angoscia è più intensa, e che spesso questa risata è una forma di resistenza minima – una forma di significato dell’umorismo in Kafka che coincide con l’accettazione passiva e ironica dell’inspiegabile.
Situazioni imbarazzanti e l’umorismo della vergogna
Uno degli aspetti più sottili e perturbanti dell’umorismo in Kafka è legato all’imbarazzo: una dimensione profondamente umana che diventa, nelle sue opere, fonte di disagio ma anche di riso amaro. Kafka eccelle nel costruire situazioni imbarazzanti, al limite dell’umiliazione, in cui i suoi personaggi si trovano esposti, inadeguati, privati di ogni dignità. Questo tipo di ridicolo kafkiano non fa ridere per leggerezza, ma per la cruda esposizione della fragilità umana.
In racconti come Davanti alla legge o Relazione per un’accademia, così come ne Il Processo, i protagonisti si trovano spesso in contesti in cui la loro impotenza è totale e il loro imbarazzo esistenziale è palpabile. Il lettore osserva, con una sorta di partecipazione disarmata, le loro goffe reazioni, i tentativi inutili di difendersi, giustificarsi, conformarsi a regole che sfuggono alla logica. È qui che nasce il riso disturbante tipico di Kafka: l’umorismo della vergogna, quello che ci mette a disagio proprio perché ci riguarda da vicino.
Questa comicità è profondamente legata all’alienazione dell’individuo moderno, e ci mette di fronte a un paradosso: ridiamo mentre percepiamo il dolore dell’altro, forse perché in fondo riconosciamo qualcosa di nostro in quel disagio. È il meccanismo del riso e dell’assurdità in Kafka: il riso non consola né libera, ma ci inchioda davanti all’insensatezza di molte dinamiche sociali ed esistenziali. E proprio qui risiede una delle chiavi più potenti per comprendere perché l’umorismo in Kafka conservi una forza così viva e tagliente.
Un meccanismo di difesa contro l’angoscia
L’umorismo di Kafka non è solo uno stile narrativo o una cifra estetica: è anche e soprattutto uno strumento di sopravvivenza. In un universo dove ogni logica si dissolve e le certezze dell’esistenza si sgretolano, il riso amaro di Kafka agisce come valvola di sfogo, come meccanismo di difesa contro l’angoscia. Di fronte all’assurdità del reale, al peso dell’ignoto e alla crudeltà delle strutture anonime che governano il destino umano, l’umorismo si insinua come forma estrema di lucidità.
Kafka non ci chiede di ridere con leggerezza, ma ci invita a sopportare l’insostenibile attraverso il riso. Come una sorta di catarsi rovesciata, l’umorismo tragico kafkiano ci offre la possibilità di abitare l’angoscia senza esserne annientati. È una difesa fragile, certo, ma autentica. La risata – quando arriva – è nervosa, tesa, piena di disagio. E proprio per questo è sincera.
Non si tratta solo di sfuggire al dolore, ma di riconoscere che, nella messa in scena dell’assurdo, il riso può diventare un’arma contro l’opacità del mondo. Così, il significato dell’umorismo in Kafka si fa più chiaro: non serve a consolare, ma a far vedere. Non cancella il buio, ma lo illumina quel tanto che basta per comprenderne la forma.
L’umorismo come lente per la condizione umana
Se l’umorismo in Kafka ha una funzione catartica, esso è anche – e forse soprattutto – una lente attraverso cui osservare la condizione umana. Leggere Kafka con attenzione significa accettare che il riso non nasce per sdrammatizzare, ma per rendere ancora più evidente la tragicità dell’esistenza. In questo senso, Kafka si avvicina a Luigi Pirandello e alla sua teoria del “sentimento del contrario“: anche nell’opera kafkiana il lettore ride e, al tempo stesso, percepisce un profondo disagio.
Quello che appare come ridicolo kafkiano è in realtà un’espressione di verità. Le situazioni grottesche, le metamorfosi inesplicabili, la burocrazia insensata e le regole invisibili non sono semplici espedienti narrativi, ma simboli potenti della solitudine e dell’impotenza dell’individuo moderno. L’umorismo diventa così un modo per mettere in crisi la realtà, per svelare le contraddizioni e le crudeltà insite nei meccanismi sociali e psicologici.
In Kafka, il riso non è mai superficiale: è un invito alla riflessione esistenziale. Un invito a guardare dentro noi stessi, a interrogarci sul senso del nostro agire, sulla precarietà del nostro ruolo nel mondo, sulla fragilità delle nostre certezze. Il significato dell’umorismo di Kafka, allora, risiede in questa doppia tensione: farci ridere per farci pensare, e farci pensare attraverso un riso che non consola, ma smuove.
Kafka non cerca di spiegare il mondo: ci mostra quanto possa essere indecifrabile. E ci ricorda che a volte, l’unico modo per affrontare l’assurdo è riderne. Non per banalizzarlo, ma per capirlo fino in fondo.
Kafka e Pirandello – affinità nel riso che fa pensare?
Franz Kafka e Luigi Pirandello, pur partendo da contesti diversi, condividono una visione dell’umorismo come strumento di svelamento. In entrambi, il riso nasce da una frattura tra ciò che appare e ciò che è: per Pirandello, è il “sentimento del contrario”, per Kafka, è lo straniamento radicale da un mondo che sembra obbedire a regole indecifrabili.
Pirandello: umorismo individuale, maschere sociali, conflitto tra essere e apparire
Kafka: umorismo sistemico, alienazione, sottomissione all’assurdo
Punto in comune: il riso come forma di pensiero critico, non evasione
L’attualità del riso amaro di Kafka
L’umorismo assurdo di Franz Kafka continua a risuonare con forza nel nostro tempo, come un’eco persistente che attraversa epoche e contesti diversi. La sua risata, mai leggera, è una lama sottile che taglia il velo dell’apparenza, rivelando ciò che spesso preferiremmo ignorare: l’insensatezza delle strutture che regolano le nostre vite, la fragilità dei nostri ruoli sociali, l’incomunicabilità e la solitudine che abitano l’esistenza.
Nel suo umorismo grottesco e spiazzante, Kafka non propone soluzioni, ma offre qualcosa di ancora più prezioso: la possibilità di riconoscerci nell’assurdo, di guardarci allo specchio mentre ridiamo amaramente delle nostre paure, delle nostre contraddizioni, dei meccanismi invisibili che ci dominano.
Questa capacità di usare il riso come strumento di comprensione, come chiave per accedere a una riflessione profonda e autentica sulla condizione umana, è ciò che rende Kafka ancora attuale e imprescindibile. Il suo umorismo – che è anche il suo modo di affrontare l’angoscia, il non-senso, l’oppressione – ci parla oggi con la stessa intensità di ieri. Ci invita a non fuggire dall’assurdo, ma a esplorarlo, a riderne senza superficialità, a trasformare il riso in pensiero.
Accanto ad autori come Pirandello, Beckett o Vonnegut, Kafka resta una delle voci più singolari e influenti dell’umorismo riflessivo: non per consolarci, ma per svegliarci.
L’umorismo Kafkiano in breve
Tipo di umorismo: sottile, amaro, disturbante
Temi principali: assurdità, alienazione, burocrazia, vergogna, trasformazione
Tecniche ricorrenti: deformazione del reale, logica illogica, situazioni imbarazzanti
Funzione: riflessione esistenziale, critica sociale, catarsi emotiva
Stile: grottesco, paradossale, profondamente simbolico
L'umorismo di Luigi Pirandello e differenza con comicità e ironia
Scopri l'umorismo di Pirandello: definizione, differenza con la comicità, e il ruolo dell'umorismo nelle sue opere e nella società.Francesco Scatigno (Magozine.it)
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La storia del rock alternativo pronta a travolgere Roma: Melvins in concerto all'Eur Social Park
Doppio concerto da non perdere il 30 luglio per tutti i fan del rock alternativo: l'Eur Social Park di Roma ospiterà i Melvins, una delle band più importanti e seminali del genere. A impreziosire e rendere ancora più speciale la serata sarà la presenza dei Redd Kross, per un live all’insegna dell’energia pura.
Oltre 40 anni di carriera per una discografia che ha rimodellato, se non abbattuto, i confini tra punk, metal e grunge in una formula unica e sapientemente coniata, i Melvins, pur tra cambi di lineup, non hanno perso un briciolo della loro carica e della creatività inesauribile.
Dopo il grande successo del tour 2023, Buzz Osborne (King Buzzo se preferite) e compagni sono pronti a far tremare Roma con la loro musica, mostrando ancora una volta perché sono considerati un punto di riferimento assoluto nel panorama internazionale.
Tremendamente influenti ed estremamente prolifici, stiamo parlando di una band in grado di influenzare gruppi come Tool e Nirvana e non c'è da stupirsi del fatto che il loro ritorno in Italia fissi un appuntamento a cui non mancare per gli amanti delle sonorità potenti e fuori dagli schemi.
Tra classici intramontabili e novità più recenti, il palco dell’Eur Social Park si prepara a diventare il terreno di un concerto che si prospetta intenso ed emozionante, nel segno di una band che ha già lasciato nella storia un'impronta indelebile ma che vuole ancora marchiare a fuoco i palchi di tutto il mondo.
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Exactly!
"So, sorry we'd love to help you astroturf the EU elections, but those pesky laws are stopping us."
The government parties do. That's who they're targeting with this 'news'.
Any government party seen bending to the metatwats can fuck off too.
But unfortunately they really want the exposure to show the kids how hip they are.
The government parties do.
The government parties who approved these regulations..?
Not all of them, but that's what meta is trying to get at.
"Your laws stop us from marketing you u to the masses"
Fuck 'em.
I hope I live to watch meta crumble to shit and everything like it.
"No one"
They don't give a shit what their users want. Their users are part of the product they sell. Their customers are their advertisers. This is bad news for political advertisers and their investors, both of whom absolutely want political advertising on the platform. This is a good thing. It would be a much better thing if people would just stop using Meta products altogether
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Oh shit, really?
That's really a pity that luckily for me I'm no longer giving an absolute metric fuck about meta and any of its shit content or its servi..spywares since 10 years at least already, and also I haven't the slightest idea of changing my plans in that regard.
meta: we're stopping political ads because of the evil eu pls write them and complain
literally everyone: another benefit to being in the eu ❤
We're sad to announce that, from that day forward, you will no longer be able to see political ads on Meta services like Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp.
(Idk how to blame the EU while trying to sound like a sane, professional corporation not throwing a hissy fit)
"I'm sorry to say I cannot accept any more money from ~~disinformation groups~~ political parties, particularly from certain regions* because another region won't let me put your ads out there for the ~~plebs~~ users to be ~~manipulated~~ informed."
^*^ ^-^ ^Russia,^ ^China,^ ^North^ ^Korea,^ ^Iran,^ ^and^ ^other^ ^associated^ ^places.^
Under the regulations, which are set to take effect on Oct. 10, platforms will have to label political ads, disclosing who paid for them, and what campaign, referendum or legislative process they’re connected to
Oh yeah they sound really unworkable, who could possibly expect meta to take this very basic information from their advertisers and then display it in a small text box.
Of course not seeing the ads is even better so I don't think anyone will complain.
Women are anonymously spilling tea about men in their cities on viral app
Women are anonymously spilling tea about men in their cities on viral app
When Cid Walker opens the Tea app, she’s greeted by a barrage of posts about men and their apparent "red" and "green" "flags."“He’s a cheater,” Walker said, reading some of the comments on one post out loud.Angela Yang (NBC News)
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Huh...
Part of these types of things generally seem like a well-intentioned idea, but it's also so creepy, scammy, and gross. This data won't stop here by any means, and will be sold or used in a million different even shittier ways. Pretty fucked.
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Starting salary for a cyber security expert is around 70,000€ and that's for someone who's relatively inexperienced so you would probably want to pay more like 90,000€, for these startups that's seven or eight employees worth of salary and they don't want to pay it.
The problem is it leads to things like this happening which kills their entire company.
Or they could do what they're doing now which is work with a consultancy company which doesn't cost anywhere near as much money but still costs quite a bit.
yeah, well-intentioned things tend to go sour when exposed to the glow of anonymity on the internet. Starts off innocent, and goes downhill fast.
The creator, Sean, stating that he started this app as a reaction to the online dating scene his mother experienced, seems fine: an anti-catfishing app would be great.
To give the devil their due, the data they collect might also be valuable as data on how women discuss men online, which at a cursory glance seems to favor far more hyperbole than I see in everyday life.
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“He’s a cheater,” Walker said, reading some of the comments on one post out loud."What clubs does he go to?" another person asked on a different post. "He’s cute."
That illustrates the big problem...
Some guys are lying assholes and horrible people, but so are some women.
It's not going to take long for them to get massively sued, there's no way they're vetting the posted info, and it's literally cyber bullying.
The guy (yes it's a guy) who made and owns this is a fucking idiot for not seeing the lawsuits coming.
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Some guys are lying assholes and horrible people, but so are some women.
and some guys anonymously posing as women online to undermine the competition.
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Lol, reminds me of a different thread about trump pretending to be a woman and writing into newspapers:
“Based on the fact that I work for Donald Trump as his secretary—and therefore know him well—I think he treats women with great respect, contrary to what Julie Baumgold implied in her article … I do not believe any man in America gets more calls from women wanting to see him, meet him, or go out with him. The most beautiful women, the most successful women—all women love Donald Trump.”
Carolin Gallego December 7, 1992. (Not a realperson)
mashable.com/article/donald-tr…
Did Donald Trump write this letter bragging about Donald Trump?
'The most beautiful women, the most successful women—all women love Donald Trump.'Brian Koerber (Mashable)
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Posted yesterday about how he was the late night show's favorite target back in the day. FFS, does no one remember Trump: The Board Game! Or when he insisted everyone refer to him as "The Donald"?
Here's Obama tearing him a new asshole:
And that's how we got President Trump!
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Outside of the crap going on in the US fascist resurgence, women are generally defined as a minority that requires equity / special benefits and protections. Making an app to "protect women" by crowdsourcing information about potentially predatory / negative men is viewed as 'good', and would likely be 'ok' by many western country standards.
Making an app about women, with similar 'experiences' reported by guys, would be considered predatory, and would get shut down.
We can already see plenty of related things out and about -- like "women only" companies getting applauded by govt / media, while the same sources shame any business that doesn't attempt to get 50%+ women on staff. We shut down gentlemen's clubs for being discriminatory, but we cheer women's only spaces. Genders are not treated equally in the public's eye, and it generally skews in favour of benefiting women at this point, especially once it hits media/govt/courts.
I think this is the more realistic take on how it'd play out.
Friendly reminder that Facebook started as FaceMash, an app for men at Harvard to rate the attractiveness of women.
Both are bad. At least these women are nominally using it for safety and not just looks rating.
Finally, I would be really darn cautious of using any app like FaceMash or Tea. Seems like a great way to get sued for defamation. Or to become the target of escalated behavior of one of the bad ones.
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If I was going to make something like this, it would have to incorporate trust chains. I don't care if some maga-hat says this lady is horrible. I care if my good friend Alex says she's horrible. One person's "this person won't shut up about communism" is a big red flag (no pun intended) but for someone else that's the dream.
When you sign up, you'd need to be referred to someone or be a root node. Anyone connected to you can be weighted differently. If some section of the tree is misbehaving, prune it.
But that's a lot of work
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Same thing should be done with product reviews, and social media comments, etc., etc.
Really if someone makes a robust way to have a trust chain that integrates into the Internet at large, that would prevent a whole universe of problems we have in modern society.
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It makes me super uneasy. I can easily see this type of model being expanded and applied to more and more things.
Call for a refund because something you ordered never showed up? Wrong trust chain, you're automatically lying, refund denied.
Report someone for T-boning you? Wrong trust chain, you're now arrested for hitting them.
Etc...
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Wrong. US citizen while in EU falls under GDPR. EU citizen while anywhere outside of EU falls under GDPR.
It is up to EU to enforce it.
That's kind of the nature of laws.
That’s the big part of what makes GDPR so wide-reaching and impactful. It protects European residents, not European IP addresses. If you’re a resident of Europe, you’re covered under GDPR. Even if you’re visiting the US. That’s why even Americans get GDPR questions when visiting sites, because the site can’t just filter by IP location to determine whether or not you need to be shown the GDPR prompt.
Enforcement can be trickier, sure. But to be clear, GDPR does cover non-European companies as long as they’re interacting with a European resident.
Sure they can write laws making it illegal to claim the king of Thailand is a doddering old fool anywhere in the world. Good for them.
They have no legal right to enforce it on me, though. If I visit their country, of course, I will be subject to their laws. But they can't apply it to me until then.
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I imagine there are whatsapp groups for things like this.
But I'm going to pretend they don't exist because I already feel self-conscious enough.
Founded by a man to enable women to redflag men?
What’s your bets the dude secretly hides posts about men he’s friends with etc?
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It's even mentioned at the top of the linked article.
Tea, which topped the Apple App Store charts this week — shortly before the app was hacked.
People should bombard them with DSAR requests.
If you’re in a state that support data subject removal requests, like California, email support@teatheapp.com and say this is a formal DSAR request to remove all of your PII.
They have 45 days to follow through.
I have no personal experience with the app at all, so what I am about to say comes from things I heard, or inferences I've made about the app - but...
I see the merit of an app like this for keeping people safe, but have no idea how it could be used without any possibility of it being abused.
On the face of it all, basically, if a man is abusive or in any way dangerous, or raises "red flags" for women, this app can help other women be aware.
Lots of narcissistic assholes come across as lovely people at the start, but by the end are abusive people.
My wifes ex husband, is one example, of a psychopathic narcissist. If only we could utilise an app like this to let other women know just who he is, and what to watch out for...
On the other side of it, of course, it's all too easy to say someone is abusive or dangerous to defame or isolate that person. Women have the ability to be just as abusive as men. An abusive woman may use this app to make other women in their community scared of/avoidant of a man who isn't in any way a danger to anyone.
Basically, my understanding of the app is that it allows women to give information about men they know and have dated, so other women can get a sort of background check on said men
But this, of course, could easily be misused and abused.
The app also required photo ID to prove you were a woman using the app, which recently was breached and ALL of the ID that was submitted is now viewable by anyone. So... yeah
More like women can create a profile for men in their lives, and other women can share their experiences with that man. It’s sort of a publicly sourced Burn Book. It was apparently started because the creator’s mom had some bad dating experience, and basically lamented about how there wasn’t a good way for women to share stories about the men they’ve dated. Like “wouldn’t it be nice if women could stick red flags to a dude, to warn his potential partners in the future?”
So if a dude is an abuser, his victims can create a profile for him, where other women can share their experiences too. If a dude cheats, he can be put on blast for other women to see. It’s basically an “is anyone else dating this man” local Facebook group, but much larger and more in-depth.
There are some ethical concerns about it, especially regarding potential abuse; There’s nothing stopping an abusive woman from wrecking her ex’s future dating life by lying about him. But the women using the app basically say that the potential safety in dating outweighs the potential for abuse.
“wouldn’t it be nice if women could stick red flags to a dude, to warn his potential partners in the future?”
Nope. Personal bias and people change.
the women using the app basically say that the potential safety in dating outweighs the potential for abuse.
Of course they do, they're getting safety and somebody else is getting abuse.
From the first one
One profile the New Times uncovered supposedly of a philandering ex-boyfriend was actually a gay man who had spurned a woman's advances.
In theory it should be fine the problem is women always assume bad intent on the part of men, and good intent on the part of other women despite a fairly obvious fact that that's ridiculous.
The problem is there doesn't seem to be any system in place for review or correction. What if there someone who just doesn't like me and posts photos and lies about me? Not only would I have no opportunity to correct the record, but unless someone I knew who was on the app told me about it, I wouldn't even know because men aren't allowed on.
As someone who's stayed away from creating accounts like Facebook the concept of being encouraged to share photos and real identities of people who haven't consented to being on the social media site is really creepy to me.
Its like some random social media account shows up and you never signed up but a profile for you has already been made and has all these photos you never even shared on there because someone chose to upload them in your place.
I'd rather people choose not to associate with people who don't have an account that has vetted on safety than be opted into something like this without choice.
Its like some random social media account shows up and you never signed up but a profile for you has already been made and has all these photos you never even shared on there because someone chose to upload them in your place.
Facebook literally does this, they just never let you see it, it's internal for advertising purposes
Yeah, my thoughts were having people encouraged to add on information they know on top of public information is a gold mine for governments. Someone could opt out of social media and not even have a phone or computer, but now you could have citizens themselves creating profiles on their behalf and providing information on individuals like political leanings. People are just thinking dating because that is what the site is about.
But, my thoughts went to how a site could do the same for whether someone is legal or not, whether they are pro government or not, etc.
"What clubs does he go to?" another person asked on a different post. "He’s cute."
Clubs? Are we in the 90ies?
Young people are being ‘priced out of nightlife’
Turns out Gen Z aren’t boring – we’re just poor ❤️
Gen Z Man Reveals What Really 'Killed Club Culture'
etc., you get the hint.
A study recently linked it to
* affordance (see above)
* better general consciousness for health vs. alcohol
* less tolerance for drunken slipups due to social media
Gen Z Man Reveals What Really 'Killed Club Culture'
A 26-year-old has said the declining popularity of clubbing can be blamed on social media and high costs rather than any generational differences.Alice Gibbs (Newsweek)
Oh. So, you're saying you don't go to clubs. I thought you might have been saying it's an outdated expression.
Alright then, carry on.
What on Earth are you talking about?
Edit oh, I'm not denying that club culture is dying and more unaffordable, I'm merely glad I wasn't that out of the loop, thought there's a new word for "club"
Back in the Google Glass days, I theorized that it wouldn’t be long before you could look at a person walking down the street and near instantaneously have a full profile of that individual, their age and address and family and everything, with Yelp-style reviews commenting on how the subject is a huge dick, or has a huge dick, or kicks puppies, etc. “Free”, of course, encumbered only by ads for bullshit dating services, and with just the minor inconvenience of full access to every goddamn piece of data on your phone.
I am only surprised that this kinda shit hasn’t happened much much earlier.
There is, unsurprisingly, a Black Mirror episode about this.
"★★☆☆☆ Not a meaningful encounter"
I don't want you to take me badly, but to me this comment sounded really demeaning. Obviously women have it way worse than men, but you see a comment with a men venting about their personal experiences and the first thing that comes to mind is "women have it worse"?
I could understand this comment in the context of the app, and how people are making fun of it when its purpose is to try to solve such a common and awful problem in dating--but in the context of the comments of men venting here, it really just sounds like you're invalidating their experiences just because they're not women.
and the first thing that comes to mind is “women have it worse”?
Yes, because I've seen it and I had to intervene way more than I ever wanted to. We've had our fair share of violent domestic disputes in the family perpetrated by the men, I've seen it out on the streets, and lately, I'm watching all these videos of stories of women online who feared for their safety.
I've seen women mistreated in public, some being threatened with their lives, I've had family members impregnated against their will, my neighbor was literally choked on the street outside my window, a woman being held at gunpoint by their partner (I was there), and I've found out through gossip that the little girl I used to live with when I was a kid was found dead in a fucking ditch because of an ex. So yeah, I have no pony in this race as a man dating men, and yet I have plenty of reasons to think straight women have it way worse.
sounds like you’re invalidating their experiences
No, I'm comparing the grievances, which are perfectly valid and understandable on their own, but they're completely different in how they weigh on the motivation for creating such an app. Those grievances sound a little weak as an argument for this "flip the genders" crowd.
Like, it really sucks that a woman led you on but ultimately turned you down for someone else and you've spent the last decade mulling over it, but it isn't quite the same as getting a brick thrown through a window a few times as part of a campaign of terror orchestrated by a salty coke-head ex who won't leave you alone and the police seem too eager to keep letting it happen. Which is what happened to my little sister for years. So yeah, kinda different when you factor in the readiness to go violent.
Spoken by someone who has also been emotionally abused by men, mind you. These women and I have a common subject, and the last one almost turned violent for me.
I could also go on about emotional manipulation by men if you'd like, but that'd be on top of all the violence.
Some salty content here for no reason.
Nobody is writing about you, misogynists of Lemmy, because nobody is dating you.
Two wrongs don't make one right.
There is not and will never be any valid reason to create a hidden database of non-verified, non-authorized and potentially defamatory information about other people.
How crazy do you have to be to listen to hollywood stories and let strangers into your house.
For what, because you think they're cute ? That's just an easy way to take up with a knife in your back.
Never. Trust. Anyone. Ever.
From just a privacy perspective having people freely share photos, videos, and info you may have never even uploaded to the internet and compiling a community driven profile despite not opening an account there is creepy.
It's fine if it's community driven profiling among members who chose to voluntarily create an account understanding the terms and conditions. Like if a social media called meowmeowbeans was created, and people who want that extra safety decided to only associate with people on meowmeowbeans and would tell people I only meet people who are on meowmeowbeans so make an account and get verified if you want to meet. If you won't then I want nothing to do with you.
I'd rather meowmeowbeans socially pressure people who want to associate with meowmeowbeans users have to voluntarily become meowmeowbeans verified as opposed to this form of information sharing that people haven't consented to and having pages dedicated to them that people are using to discuss them.
This is Lemmy after all and not instagram, TikTok, or Facebook where people are encouraged to share their personal information. And more tech leaning, so people are going to be less open to the idea of a database popping up encouraging people to contribute any photos, videos, and personal information on random individuals to create profile pages for people who never signed up. Whether it is big tech or individuals insisting data collection and making a public profile is for safety its going to be seen with skepticism.
Gender doesn't have to do with it, since there isn't a law exempting specific genders from this and a site encouraging people to add info to a profile could be made for any reason. Like a similar site being made where members are asked to share information about political ideology of individuals they know and to share stories and evidence.
So I've had multiple GF's who were physically abusive, cheaters, chronic liars, gaslighters... so is there a version of this for me? Or are men never victims still?
So glad this didn't exist like ~15 years ago. My one ex, who decided to start a relationship with her co-worker, while we were looking for and then financing a house... When I broke up with her (like 1 week after closing), while I was trying to process the betrayal, she took to Facebook and text messages spamming EVERYONE a fake story about me, trying to pass herself as the victim. Even including a fake pregnancy! All to make me look bad because I caught her cheating. Thankfully, this app didn't exist, and several of my female friends reached out to me for my side of the story.
But all the "stories" on that app, 100% vetted, right? We get unbiased, both sides of the story, right... Evidence was required... right? Because imaging the harm someone could do if they were just petty, or scornful, of just bored. It's not like women have ever made false rape claims... right....
I'm not trying to imply my situation is what all men go through... but you can't just dismiss it, or other men, because it doesn't fit into your social media-fueled narrative. Yes, some men suck (and that's selling it short). But, women are just as capable of the same level of suck. We are all, after all, human.
I don't know why they upset you "almost as much" - people who pretend to be victims are in fact people that are victimizing others. "Other sides" notwithstanding, you said it yourself in so many words: they're also further victimizing actual victims.
I frankly find it more inexcusable.
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Issues logging in as of this am with iOS clients. Mobile web is fine.
Having issues with all iOS app clients, both App Store and TestFlight versions. iOS is latest version.
I’m unable to login via any clients.
I had no issues with Voyager yesterday. I was able to browse, vote, and join/remove communities. This morning, I couldn’t see any communities and the feed looked the same as yesterday.
I logged out of Piefed in Voyager, and now I can’t log back in. I keep getting incorrect password if I use my username/password, and connection problem if I use my email and password.
I tried Mlem and Blorp, and both tell me incorrect username/password. I am able to log into web just fine via Safari and Orion.
I tried with and without VPN, and I’m not using WiFi.
I don’t know if it’s related to the human check as posted a couple of hours ago, but it kind of feels like it might be.
EDIT: I just found this logged issue. My username has an uppercase Z, so it would break my login?
Thanks!!
Commit 3534eda5e3 broke API login by username when the username was created with capitalization
Not sure what the best approach for a fix would be just wanted to document the issue so it's known. I feel like the commit is missing a db migration to lowercase all the usernames in the db.Codeberg.org
I don't know any kind of specifics about how those apps use the api, but there is also a bug in the site endpoint that was introduced last night. It's since been fixed, but the fix isn't going to get rolled out to piefed.social until rimu wakes back up.
The bug only shows up if you have blocked any instances. So, if you haven't blocked any instances and you still can't use the apps, then it's likely due to something else.
Thanks for responding!
I did block instances when I used Lemmy, and since I imported my settings from there, it was worth a check. However, Piefed shows zero blocked instances in my settings.
Thanks for the help so far!
I did edit my post. It seems like this could be the issue ? My username has an uppercase Z.
Commit 3534eda5e3 broke API login by username when the username was created with capitalization
Not sure what the best approach for a fix would be just wanted to document the issue so it's known. I feel like the commit is missing a db migration to lowercase all the usernames in the db.Codeberg.org
Protest vote
[orange dude, angry, fist raised]
I will protest against both sides of the evil capitalist elites that are ruining society by voting for an anti-system extreme!
[pink gal, looking candid]
Since your protest is based on human values and a desire for more social justice, this means you're going to vote far left?
[pink gal, looking scared]
Isn't that right?…
[orange dude starts laughing so hard tears comes from his eyes and his hairpiece starts flying]
thebad.website/comic/protest_v…
AI Won't Solve Your Existential Crisis (And That's Perfectly Fine)
AI Won’t Solve Your Existential Crisis (And That’s Perfectly Fine)
Silicon Valley’s latest gospel sounds almost mystical. Artificial intelligence will rescue the West from demographic collapse, bloated welfare systems, and innovation-stifling regulations.Eli Grid (GazeOn)
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in reply to IWW4 • • •Any sat internet that does not use low earth satellites is a giant pain. Pings measured in seconds, very low bandwidth, and very low data caps.
Pick basically anything else if you have the option.
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in reply to IWW4 • • •It's one of those use cases where I would very reluctantly take the L and order Starlink.
Classic satellite Internet is borderline unusable. Forget about any sort of call or video chat, you'll be seconds behind on watching streams. If you want to stream yourself, it won't be great and the stream delay will be horrible.
You can do bulk download, like downloading large games, that's about the only thing that works well.
Also last I heard, the data caps and bandwidth were also really crap.
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in reply to IWW4 • • •Hughes will work okay as a backup internet if that's what you're after. Typically when people talk about Hughes they're really desperate and satellite is the only option at all.
I would very much rather not feed the nazi either, but that was my only Internet option I'd probably have to consider it. Although I also probably wouldn't consider moving somewhere without decent connectivity, given I'm a sysadmin and really need the bandwidth.
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in reply to Max-P • • •I have Verizon AT&T and other wired options were I am, but i live on an island that has numerous outages so I am exploring satellite, craned WISP options.
Thanks for the feedback man.
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in reply to IWW4 • • •Hughes.net is slow and has an absurdly low data cap. I wouldn't personally use it.
There's Starlink... but, you know, "Elon".
Other than that you have Viasat. About the same price as Starlink.
viasat.com/
Unlimited data but "Download speeds are up to up to 25- 50 Mbps, 25-100 Mbps or 25-150 Mbps based on location."
Global Communications | Services, Solutions & Satellite Internet
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in reply to IWW4 • • •I don't use any satellite personally, I have fiber, but I had to evaluate them for other reasons.
Viasat seems the most... viable. ;) But the speeds... oh... the speeds.
At least they don't have the data caps.
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in reply to IWW4 • • •I used to work for a WISP and the number one thing I heard from most of our customers was how shitty Hughesnet is. I have never heard a good thing about them, even before I got into this kind of work or knew much about networking. The only reason anyone ever had them was because they didn't know about terrestrial based WISPs and lived outside of an area covered by traditional landline services.
I highly recommend looking into WISPs (Wireless Internet Service Providers) in your area. You can get super fast speeds more typical of normal internet service, and it's also far more reliable than satellite based service. It does, however, tend to be more expensive.
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I am researching WISPs now
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Thanks for the heads up
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in reply to IWW4 • • •Former hughes repair guy here. If it's your only choice, sure. But it's utter trash. It's susceptible to so many environmental conditions. Certain geographical areas can experience various service levels too. Data caps will sneak up on you faster than you realize too. Not to mention the pole or tripod mount that has to be installed, yard dug up and holes drilled into the house. Seen plenty of tripod mounts be ripped off a roof, damaging the roof in the process.
Anyways...avoid any satellite isp if possible.
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